[VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Pascal Schumacher]

Hi all,

as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to 
dormant.


Reasons:
- The last release is from 2007.
- No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.

So please cast your votes:
This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017

[ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
[ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
[ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)

Thanks!
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[VOTE] Move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant?

[Pascal Schumacher]

Hi all,

as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Discovery to 
dormant.


Reasons:
- Last release was version 0.5 in 2011.
- The last bugfix and feature commits are from 2011.
- Not a single jira issue has been created since 2011.

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[ ] +1 Move Commons Discovery to dormant
[ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
[ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Discovery to dormant (because)

Thanks!
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Move of Commons Transaction dormant incomplete

[Pascal Schumacher]

Hello everybody,

there is a jira issue 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRANSACTION-39 from 2010 with the 
steps to move Transaction to dormant.


Some steps seem to have been completed (component was move to dormant 
components page), but other seem to be missing (jira is not read-only, 
github mirror still exists).


Should I try to complete the move?

Cheers,

Pascal





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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Rob Tompkins]

+1

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:11 AM, Pascal Schumacher  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant.
> 
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
> 
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
> 
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
> 
> Thanks!
> Pascal
> 
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant?

[Rob Tompkins]

+1

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:14 AM, Pascal Schumacher  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant.
> 
> Reasons:
> - Last release was version 0.5 in 2011.
> - The last bugfix and feature commits are from 2011.
> - Not a single jira issue has been created since 2011.
> 
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
> 
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Discovery to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Discovery to dormant (because)
> 
> Thanks!
> Pascal
> 
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Re: Move of Commons Transaction dormant incomplete

[Gary Gregory]

That is ok with me.

Gary

On Aug 20, 2017 04:31, "Pascal Schumacher"  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> there is a jira issue https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRANSACTION-39
> from 2010 with the steps to move Transaction to dormant.
>
> Some steps seem to have been completed (component was move to dormant
> components page), but other seem to be missing (jira is not read-only,
> github mirror still exists).
>
> Should I try to complete the move?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant?

[Gary Gregory]

+1

Gary

On Aug 20, 2017 04:14, "Pascal Schumacher"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Discovery to
> dormant.
>
> Reasons:
> - Last release was version 0.5 in 2011.
> - The last bugfix and feature commits are from 2011.
> - Not a single jira issue has been created since 2011.
>
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
>
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Discovery to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Discovery to dormant (because)
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Gary Gregory]

+1

Gary

On Aug 20, 2017 04:12, "Pascal Schumacher"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to
> dormant.
>
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
>
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
>
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Agustín Bernal Fernando]

+1

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 6:44 AM Gary Gregory  wrote:

> +1
>
> Gary
>
> On Aug 20, 2017 04:12, "Pascal Schumacher" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to
> > dormant.
> >
> > Reasons:
> > - The last release is from 2007.
> > - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
> >
> > So please cast your votes:
> > This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> > i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
> >
> > [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> > [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> > [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Pascal
> >
> >
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Re: [All][Math] New component: "Commons Geometry"?

[Amey Jadiye]

I'm +1 to this change, I would be more than happy to lend my hands to help
on this front. pardon me for being quite because some heavy work on my day
job.

I don't want to fork this thread to different discussion but I have one
simple doubt that rather creating whole new component why don't we just
create maven modules within CM ? I understand that release becomes easy
with different component and some more other advantages  but same can be
done within single project. this is obvious question and which you guys
might have discussed before but I didn't found it in past mail archives,
though I saw a fork of CM made last year and "that" code base is doing
exactly what my doubt is. i.e sub-component as maven module.

Regards,
Amey


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Gilles 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> [Time for a new episode in our "Ripping CM" series.]
>
> How about creating "Commons Geometry"?
>
> The rationale is comprised of the usual suspects:
>  * Smaller and more focused component, hence:
>- Consistent development and maintenance.
>- Consistent release schedule, not encumbered by
>  changes (and endless discussions) in _totally_
>  unrelated code.
>- Potential for attracting contributors not
>  interested in maintaining the (growing) backlog
>  of CM.
>  * Self-contained: 96.3% of the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
>package have no dependency except:
>- 4 classes now in "Commons Numbers".
>- 2 methods and 1 constant in "MathUtils".
>- CM exceptions. [Creating alternatives for those
>  will probably be the most time-consuming part of
>  the porting work.]
>
> Moreover, none of the code in the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
> package is used by another package of CM.
>
> A new component would give the "geometry" codes a much
> better chance of being (confidently[1]) released, since
> CM is "stuck" for the foreseeable future.[2]
>
> WDYT?
>
> Gilles
>
> [1] There seems to be only one issue reported in JIRA
> that pertains to "geometry".
> [2] 54 issues yet to be fixed before the 4.0 release;
> which, at the current rate, would lead to after 2025
> (a very rough guess, I admit).
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Amey Jadiye]

+1

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Pascal Schumacher  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to
> dormant.
>
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
>
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
>
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant?

[Amey Jadiye]

+1

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Pascal Schumacher  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Discovery to
> dormant.
>
> Reasons:
> - Last release was version 0.5 in 2011.
> - The last bugfix and feature commits are from 2011.
> - Not a single jira issue has been created since 2011.
>
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
>
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Discovery to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Discovery to dormant (because)
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
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Re: [All][Math] New component: "Commons Geometry"?

[Gilles]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:16:17 +0530, Amey Jadiye wrote:
I'm +1 to this change, I would be more than happy to lend my hands to 
help
on this front. pardon me for being quite because some heavy work on 
my day

job.

I don't want to fork this thread to different discussion but I have 
one
simple doubt that rather creating whole new component why don't we 
just
create maven modules within CM? I understand that release becomes 
easy
with different component and some more other advantages  but same can 
be
done within single project. this is obvious question and which you 
guys
might have discussed before but I didn't found it in past mail 
archives,


Some of the objections against having new components were along
those lines (i.e. "Why not make modules?").
The problem is not with modules (I quite pushed for modularization
in "Commons RNG" and "Commons Numbers"), it is with "Commons Math"
requiring so much work to tackle the backlog (some identified issues
are _years_ old), in addition to the work for modularizing it.

I don't think that it is acceptable to release code within a new suit
("module") without fixing it too.
And other people here indicated that no Commons Math release should
remove any code for which no alternative exists.
So, "Commons Math" is stuck.


Gilles

though I saw a fork of CM made last year and "that" code base is 
doing

exactly what my doubt is. i.e sub-component as maven module.

Regards,
Amey


On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Gilles 


wrote:


Hello.

[Time for a new episode in our "Ripping CM" series.]

How about creating "Commons Geometry"?

The rationale is comprised of the usual suspects:
 * Smaller and more focused component, hence:
   - Consistent development and maintenance.
   - Consistent release schedule, not encumbered by
 changes (and endless discussions) in _totally_
 unrelated code.
   - Potential for attracting contributors not
 interested in maintaining the (growing) backlog
 of CM.
 * Self-contained: 96.3% of the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
   package have no dependency except:
   - 4 classes now in "Commons Numbers".
   - 2 methods and 1 constant in "MathUtils".
   - CM exceptions. [Creating alternatives for those
 will probably be the most time-consuming part of
 the porting work.]

Moreover, none of the code in the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
package is used by another package of CM.

A new component would give the "geometry" codes a much
better chance of being (confidently[1]) released, since
CM is "stuck" for the foreseeable future.[2]

WDYT?

Gilles

[1] There seems to be only one issue reported in JIRA
that pertains to "geometry".
[2] 54 issues yet to be fixed before the 4.0 release;
which, at the current rate, would lead to after 2025
(a very rough guess, I admit).





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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

+1

Gruss
Bernd
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On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Pascal Schumacher 
mailto:pascalschumac...@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to
> dormant.
>
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
>
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
>
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
>
> Thanks!
> Pascal
>
>
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Re: [All][Math] New component: "Commons Geometry"?

[Ralph Goers]

I have to agree with Jochen and am -1 to this proposal. I have stated before 
that I don’t want to see Commons become the placeholder for all the Math 
related components. If Math has stuff that can’t be maintained then create a 
MathLegacy project in the sandbox and move the stuff there.

Ralph

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Jochen Wiedmann  
> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Gilles  wrote:
> 
>> How about creating "Commons Geometry"?
> 
> Honestly: There are other subprojects (Vfs comes to mind), which are
> perfectly able to produce a set of jar file without adding to the list
> of jar files for every one. Why do you require a new subproject?
> 
> Given the amount of noise, that numbers, RNG, etc. have produced over
> the last year, I am more than hesitant to have more of that. (In
> particular, when considering the rather limited amount of releases,
> which have grown out of that. The "Downloads" section for numbers is
> still pointing to RNG.)
> 
> As far, as I am concerned, I am clearly -1
> 
> Jochen
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
> 
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Re: [All][Math] New component: "Commons Geometry"?

[Ralph Goers]

This is a vote thread - not a discussion thread. If you want to discuss 
people’s votes please move it to another thread.

Ralph

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Gilles  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:16:17 +0530, Amey Jadiye wrote:
>> I'm +1 to this change, I would be more than happy to lend my hands to help
>> on this front. pardon me for being quite because some heavy work on my day
>> job.
>> 
>> I don't want to fork this thread to different discussion but I have one
>> simple doubt that rather creating whole new component why don't we just
>> create maven modules within CM? I understand that release becomes easy
>> with different component and some more other advantages  but same can be
>> done within single project. this is obvious question and which you guys
>> might have discussed before but I didn't found it in past mail archives,
> 
> Some of the objections against having new components were along
> those lines (i.e. "Why not make modules?").
> The problem is not with modules (I quite pushed for modularization
> in "Commons RNG" and "Commons Numbers"), it is with "Commons Math"
> requiring so much work to tackle the backlog (some identified issues
> are _years_ old), in addition to the work for modularizing it.
> 
> I don't think that it is acceptable to release code within a new suit
> ("module") without fixing it too.
> And other people here indicated that no Commons Math release should
> remove any code for which no alternative exists.
> So, "Commons Math" is stuck.
> 
> 
> Gilles
> 
>> though I saw a fork of CM made last year and "that" code base is doing
>> exactly what my doubt is. i.e sub-component as maven module.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Amey
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Gilles 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> [Time for a new episode in our "Ripping CM" series.]
>>> 
>>> How about creating "Commons Geometry"?
>>> 
>>> The rationale is comprised of the usual suspects:
>>> * Smaller and more focused component, hence:
>>>   - Consistent development and maintenance.
>>>   - Consistent release schedule, not encumbered by
>>> changes (and endless discussions) in _totally_
>>> unrelated code.
>>>   - Potential for attracting contributors not
>>> interested in maintaining the (growing) backlog
>>> of CM.
>>> * Self-contained: 96.3% of the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
>>>   package have no dependency except:
>>>   - 4 classes now in "Commons Numbers".
>>>   - 2 methods and 1 constant in "MathUtils".
>>>   - CM exceptions. [Creating alternatives for those
>>> will probably be the most time-consuming part of
>>> the porting work.]
>>> 
>>> Moreover, none of the code in the "o.a.c.math4.geometry"
>>> package is used by another package of CM.
>>> 
>>> A new component would give the "geometry" codes a much
>>> better chance of being (confidently[1]) released, since
>>> CM is "stuck" for the foreseeable future.[2]
>>> 
>>> WDYT?
>>> 
>>> Gilles
>>> 
>>> [1] There seems to be only one issue reported in JIRA
>>>that pertains to "geometry".
>>> [2] 54 issues yet to be fixed before the 4.0 release;
>>>which, at the current rate, would lead to after 2025
>>>(a very rough guess, I admit).
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Ralph Goers]

+1

Ralph

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Pascal Schumacher  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant.
> 
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
> 
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
> 
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
> 
> Thanks!
> Pascal
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant?

[Benedikt Ritter]

+1

> Am 20.08.2017 um 12:11 schrieb Pascal Schumacher :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Launcher to dormant.
> 
> Reasons:
> - The last release is from 2007.
> - No bugfix or feature addition commits since 2007.
> 
> So please cast your votes:
> This vote will close no sooner that 72 hours from now,
> i.e. after 13:00CET 23 August 2017
> 
> [ ] +1 Move Commons Launcher to dormant
> [ ] +/-0 I'm undecided on this concern
> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Launcher to dormant (because)
> 
> Thanks!
> Pascal
> 
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Re: [All][Math] New component: "Commons Geometry"?

[Benedikt Ritter]

> Am 20.08.2017 um 23:11 schrieb Ralph Goers :
> 
> I have to agree with Jochen and am -1 to this proposal. I have stated before 
> that I don’t want to see Commons become the placeholder for all the Math 
> related components. If Math has stuff that can’t be maintained then create a 
> MathLegacy project in the sandbox and move the stuff there.

I’ve also already argued in that direction.

Benedikt

> 
> Ralph
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Jochen Wiedmann  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Gilles  wrote:
>> 
>>> How about creating "Commons Geometry"?
>> 
>> Honestly: There are other subprojects (Vfs comes to mind), which are
>> perfectly able to produce a set of jar file without adding to the list
>> of jar files for every one. Why do you require a new subproject?
>> 
>> Given the amount of noise, that numbers, RNG, etc. have produced over
>> the last year, I am more than hesitant to have more of that. (In
>> particular, when considering the rather limited amount of releases,
>> which have grown out of that. The "Downloads" section for numbers is
>> still pointing to RNG.)
>> 
>> As far, as I am concerned, I am clearly -1
>> 
>> Jochen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
>> 
>> http://www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg
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Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant?

[Benedikt Ritter]

+1

> Am 20.08.2017 um 12:14 schrieb Pascal Schumacher :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> as discussed, I'd like to propose to move Apache Commons Discovery to dormant.
> 
> Reasons:
> - Last release was version 0.5 in 2011.
> - The last bugfix and feature commits are from 2011.
> - Not a single jira issue has been created since 2011.
> 
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> [ ] +1 Move Commons Discovery to dormant
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> [ ] -1 No, do NOT move Commons Discovery to dormant (because)
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Re: Move of Commons Transaction dormant incomplete

[Benedikt Ritter]

> Am 20.08.2017 um 12:30 schrieb Pascal Schumacher :
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> Hello everybody,
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> there is a jira issue https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRANSACTION-39 
> from 2010 with the steps to move Transaction to dormant.
> 
> Some steps seem to have been completed (component was move to dormant 
> components page), but other seem to be missing (jira is not read-only, github 
> mirror still exists).
> 
> Should I try to complete the move?

Go for it!

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