Re: modules for the X 4.x server
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:53:52PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > God only knows what int10 It is used for 'softbooting' video cards, basicly reiniting. Very likely used for your second head. > and record Hell if I know. > does. I also probably don't need > some of these (actually, glx/dri doesn't work in my current dual-head > setup, so removing those might actually help! :) Err, you probably want to remove them, every now and then there are, issues, with the DRI code trees. Zephaniah E. Hull. > -- but what the hey, > it mostly works great. :) > > -- > ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all > really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- PGP EA5198D1-Zephaniah E. Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>-GPG E65A7801 Keys available at http://whitestar.soark.net/~warp/public_keys. CCs of replies from mailing lists are encouraged. "Guns don't kill people. It's those damn bullets. Guns just make them go really really fast." -- Jake Johanson pgpvMqEq63DP3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
>> "Zephaniah E. Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > and record > > Hell if I know. That's the record extension, used to record and playback events (device events and device events consequences) as well as events from arbitrary X extensions. I think the GNOME people have an application that does this, but I'm not sure if it actually uses this extension. At any rate, it was rather cool to watch. > Err, you probably want to remove them, every now and then there are, > issues, with the DRI code trees. *frown* -- Marcelo
Re: 49734308 Nov 25 14:53 xfree86_4.0.1.orig.tar.gz
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:11:41PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Led to a case where 401f.diff could not be applied to the unpacked sources > of XFree86. I've been told that sometimes this happens, because when you > have a large volume of changes, and RCS version numbers hopping around, > the patch tool just can't make sense of it. Then I think you should have named the orig.tar.gz differently, since its different than in the previous version. like xfree86_4.0.1f.orig.tar.gz I wonder how you got that uploaded, I thought the orig.tar.gz usually get uploaded (and in in the changes file) only with the initial upload (-1) of the package. Anyhow, mostly a cosmetic issue which need not be discussed further on debian-x. Christian
[otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Guess I'm violating the license on this mail by forwarding it. Maybe Craig Sanders and this guy would like to file a class-action copyright infringment suit against me... - Forwarded message from "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:25 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) X-WSS-ID: 1638DAFD80403-01-01 I have an uptodate woody (11/27/2000) with kernel 2.4.0-test11 (i386) using framebuffer support on an ATI Mach64. Now XFree 4.0.1-8 using fbdev (started with "startx") crashes my system so worse, that I neither can't switch to any console nor get a connection across the network (telnet, ping). All I can do to get out of a completly blank screen is pressing the hard reset button. My setup used to work with XFree 3.3.6 and kernel 2.4.0-test5. Now how do I retrieve any useful information after the restart of my system, so I can make a useful bug report? What else can I do to help resolve this crash, i.e. kernel with debug support? Does my USB-keyboard/-mouse have an influence in this crash? Or is there any other package I might have to look at? Could you provide my a bash script with all the necessary commands, since I'm not very used to X? How do I install X so I could use/test version 3 and 4 through different startups (startx3/starx4)? O. Wyss PS. If you aren't the right person, could you please forward this message? --- PPS. Sorry for the following text, I can't stop it :-( - NOTICE - This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please delete it and any copies of it and notify CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message specifically states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP, CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON, and each legal entity in the CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON or CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT business units of CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes good. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bill Clinton http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | pgp7SvWxLkgz6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you need to worry about -- it is RMS! :] In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a fontpath element that is a unix-domain socket, possibly on port 6601 or something similar. If you have one, try commenting it out. That has caused problems for many people. In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* files. With luck, it managed to write out as much as possible before dying. [Branden, do you know if our good friends at XFree86.org turn off buffering for these files? :] It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it wouldn't cause crashes this severe. Cheers :) * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 01:50]: > Guess I'm violating the license on this mail by forwarding it. Maybe Craig > Sanders and this guy would like to file a class-action copyright > infringment suit against me... > > - Forwarded message from "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve > inf ormation fora bug report > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:25 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) > X-WSS-ID: 1638DAFD80403-01-01 > > I have an uptodate woody (11/27/2000) with kernel 2.4.0-test11 (i386) using > framebuffer support on an ATI Mach64. Now XFree 4.0.1-8 using fbdev (started > with "startx") crashes my system so worse, that I neither can't switch to any > console nor get a connection across the network (telnet, ping). All I can do > to get out of a completly blank screen is pressing the hard reset button. My > setup used to work with XFree 3.3.6 and kernel 2.4.0-test5. Now how do I > retrieve any useful information after the restart of my system, so I can make > a useful bug report? What else can I do to help resolve this crash, i.e. > kernel with debug support? > > Does my USB-keyboard/-mouse have an influence in this crash? Or is there any > other package I might have to look at? > > Could you provide my a bash script with all the necessary commands, since I'm > not very used to X? > > How do I install X so I could use/test version 3 and 4 through different > startups (startx3/starx4)? > > O. Wyss > > PS. If you aren't the right person, could you please forward this message? > > --- > PPS. Sorry for the following text, I can't stop it :-( > > > > - NOTICE - > > This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take > any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error > please delete it and any copies of it and notify CREDIT SUISSE ASSET > MANAGEMENT > immediately. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the message specifically states otherwise and the sender is > authorized to state them to be the views of CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT. > > CREDIT SUISSE GROUP, CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON, and each legal entity in > the CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON or CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT business > units of CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. > > > > > - End forwarded message - > > -- > G. Branden Robinson| > Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes good. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bill Clinton > http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
[joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
- Forwarded message from Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Bug#68389: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) I assume that this email is going to a real person Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. No fun. Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. Thanks a lot, Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: > xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole > alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > Darren Benham > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) > id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 > Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) > by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) > Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) > by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) > Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) > id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: fixed with -7 > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - End forwarded message - -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|oh my, it's a UP P III. Debian GNU/Linux |dos it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | * joeyh runs dselect http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |that ought to be sufficient :) pgpV6On6DaCg1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Nathaniel, you are right -- reporting a bug against -10 and hearing it is fixed in -7 is a little strange. WRT your error message, I have approached similar problems in the past by using dpkg directly on the apt-downloaded .deb packages, using the --force-overwrite option. The problem isn't the actual presence of a file there -- it is two packages that claim to own the file. My guess says your collection of packages may have the xconsole.real package moving around from one package to the next between upgrades. I don't know how well apt and/or dpkg would handle these situations. (BTW -- when using apt to upgrade from slink to potato, using dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade may take care of some of these issues... ) I hope this helps explain things. I don't know for sure what happened in your case, but usually force-overwrite does the right thing. :) * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 11:47]: > - Forwarded message from Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Bug#68389: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by > developer (fixed with -7)] > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org > Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT > Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 > X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients > X-Debian-PR-Keywords: > X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) > From: Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) > > I assume that this email is going to a real person > > Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I > sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached > explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and > thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato > became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held > the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications > which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my > problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I > won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them > from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. > No fun. > > Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any > wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the > developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I > can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. > > Thanks a lot, > > Nathaniel Rounds > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: > > xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole > > alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. > > > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > > Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > > > Darren Benham > > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > > > Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 > > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] > > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) > > id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 > > Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) > > by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) > > Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) > > by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) > > Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) > > id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: fixed with -
Re: upgrading to the X4 server
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:49:57AM +0100, Johannes Zellner wrote: > is there any documentation how to upgrade from > a 3.3.6 Server to the 4.x server? apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| Never attribute to malice that which can [EMAIL PROTECTED] | be adequately explained by stupidity. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpMxe0iJS4i0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:53:52PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > God only knows what int10 and record does. I also probably don't need > some of these (actually, glx/dri doesn't work in my current dual-head > setup, so removing those might actually help! :) -- but what the hey, > it mostly works great. :) INT10 is the real-mode x86 interrupt 10 emulator, used for talking to video cards in the only stupid, stupid language they speak. Record is the server-side implementation the little used XRECORD extension. -- G. Branden Robinson |Murphy's Guide to Science: Debian GNU/Linux|If it's green or squirms, it's biology. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |If it stinks, it's chemistry. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ |If it doesn't work, it's physics. pgpEV6wb9bh9z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:59:00AM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > need to worry about -- it is RMS! :] You appear to be blissfully ignorant of certain flamewars between Craig and myself in the past. All the better for you, probably. :) > In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a > fontpath element that is a unix-domain socket, possibly on port 6601 or > something similar. If you have one, try commenting it out. That has > caused problems for many people. This really shouldn't be a problem anymore. I've had a fix applied for a few versions and XFree86 included it in 4.0.1g, which will be out shortly in 4.0.1-9. > In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* > files. With luck, it managed to write out as much as possible before > dying. [Branden, do you know if our good friends at XFree86.org turn off > buffering for these files? :] No idea. > It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it > wouldn't cause crashes this severe. The USB gizmos locked up my box hard using kernel 2.2.18pre23. So I turned USB off in the BIOS. -- G. Branden Robinson | One man's "magic" is another man's Debian GNU/Linux| engineering. "Supernatural" is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | null word. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein pgpyFSqgDzvrm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
> > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > > Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my home address and than out to the world. Unfortunatly for me, it's not that easy to find another employer. > > In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a > > Does not help either, still crashing. > > In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* > > There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net? > > It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it > > wouldn't cause crashes this severe. > > I just mentioned it since I guess some other people do use X on the fbdev, but probably very few do use USB on an i386. Or are there anyboby with a similar but working setup? O. Wyss
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:59:19PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > > > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > > > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > > > > Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to > debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my > home address and than out to the world. It doesn't, Branden forwards it to the list as he is far too busy to answer every mail sent to him personally regarding the Xfree packages, especially for every little issue which his system may or may not have (such as, for example, USB). -- Joshua Shagam /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
* Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 15:11]:
> Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to
> debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my
> home address and than out to the world.
Well, Branden forwards email sent to his own account to debian-x if he
thinks someone else stands a chance of handling it or if he thinks the
conversation archived would be useful to someone in the future.
> Unfortunatly for me, it's not that easy to find another employer.
Yes, I know; it was meant mostly in jest. :)
> There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache
> doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to
> force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the
> output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net?
Ok. I think we can defeat this one. If you don't mind playing with your
/etc/fstab file, you can change the partition that contains your
/var/log directory to be a synchronous mount. This of course will slow
things down a bit, but not by a terrible amount. (This is how the *BSDs
did their disk IO before Kirk McKusick invented SoftUpdates to get the
safety of synchronous writes with the speed of async mounts. :)
The other option is to have an endless loop of running sync(1). Someone
posted something similar not so long ago, but I am lousy at shell
scripting. The following C might do the job. :)
int main(void) {
while(1) {
if (system("/bin/sync") != 0)
break;
}
}
(Hmm. The system(3) manpage suggests this is very bad; however, since
the machine crashes anyway, it might not be horrible. Read the manpage
though and see if you can live with this before trying this version. :)
(A perl version wouldn't look much different, I don't think. If you
would rather use perl, I could dredge up my perl memories. :)
--
``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all
really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
I happen to work at Credit Suisse. If you'd like, I'll talk to him. - Original Message - From: "Branden Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:47 AM Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
* Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 16:38]: > I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug tracking system is often high on the list. :) > At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force > install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing > with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if "fixed in -7" > means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) > Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free > system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft > ever gave me. Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to read. :) The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more experienced users. Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Oh man, we have two very different ideas of systems. I felt slink was far too old to bother with when I was running potato, and if someone asked me to go back to potato today, I would be driven up the wall. :) I don't know why your report was closed. My guess is, whoever closed it simply raced through the report, and it looked similar to problems with the 4.0.1 series, and the closer knew that it was fixed in 4.0.1-7. This is just a guess though. I don't know what your best bet is -- waiting for woody to become the new stable is probably going to be a long wait indeed. :-/ * Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 19:30]: > So here's the deal. Yes, it has been a few months since I first submitted > this, but 1) my semester started in september (I am a junior at haverford > college, as the email address suggests) so I have had very little time > since mid-august to play sys-admin and tinker with my linux system. And > 2) My system isn't really broken. I did more or less break it the first > time I upgraded to potato using dist-upgrade, in august, because x-window > needed several packages which depend on xbase-client. I solved the > problem by going back to the old version (slink?) to get everything back > up and running. When it became clear that xbase-client wasn't going to > happen, I held the old versions of everything that depended on the new > xbase-client -- 11 deb packages -- and upgraded everything else. So my > system is working fine, I just haven't dared to try and upgrade those > packages again, because life without x-window just isn't very much fun. > > I don't have any real problem using the old versions of those 11 packages, > but if the xbase-client developer or anyone else wise in the ways of deb > packages has had insight as to *why* xbase-client won't install on my > system, then I would love to hear about it. I was specifically curious > whether whatever action resulted in my bug report being closed involved > insight that might be helpful to me. > > Anyway, thanks again for your time. > > Nathaniel > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > * Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 16:38]: > > > I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried > > > > Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all > > available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the > > debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. > > When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug > > tracking system is often high on the list. :) > > > > > At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force > > > install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing > > > with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if "fixed in -7" > > > means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. > > > > So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several > > months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) > > > > > Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free > > > system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft > > > ever gave me. > > > > Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of > > support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with > > the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in > > the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten > > minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to > > read. :) > > > > The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out > > that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine > > for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* > > > > In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling > > blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most > > of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more > > experienced users. > > > > Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as > > you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. > > Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) > > > > Cheers :) > > > > -- > > ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all > > really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' > > > -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.''
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
>> "Zephaniah E. Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > and record > > Hell if I know. That's the record extension, used to record and playback events (device events and device events consequences) as well as events from arbitrary X extensions. I think the GNOME people have an application that does this, but I'm not sure if it actually uses this extension. At any rate, it was rather cool to watch. > Err, you probably want to remove them, every now and then there are, > issues, with the DRI code trees. *frown* -- Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 49734308 Nov 25 14:53 xfree86_4.0.1.orig.tar.gz
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:11:41PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Led to a case where 401f.diff could not be applied to the unpacked sources > of XFree86. I've been told that sometimes this happens, because when you > have a large volume of changes, and RCS version numbers hopping around, > the patch tool just can't make sense of it. Then I think you should have named the orig.tar.gz differently, since its different than in the previous version. like xfree86_4.0.1f.orig.tar.gz I wonder how you got that uploaded, I thought the orig.tar.gz usually get uploaded (and in in the changes file) only with the initial upload (-1) of the package. Anyhow, mostly a cosmetic issue which need not be discussed further on debian-x. Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Guess I'm violating the license on this mail by forwarding it. Maybe Craig Sanders and this guy would like to file a class-action copyright infringment suit against me... - Forwarded message from "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:25 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) X-WSS-ID: 1638DAFD80403-01-01 I have an uptodate woody (11/27/2000) with kernel 2.4.0-test11 (i386) using framebuffer support on an ATI Mach64. Now XFree 4.0.1-8 using fbdev (started with "startx") crashes my system so worse, that I neither can't switch to any console nor get a connection across the network (telnet, ping). All I can do to get out of a completly blank screen is pressing the hard reset button. My setup used to work with XFree 3.3.6 and kernel 2.4.0-test5. Now how do I retrieve any useful information after the restart of my system, so I can make a useful bug report? What else can I do to help resolve this crash, i.e. kernel with debug support? Does my USB-keyboard/-mouse have an influence in this crash? Or is there any other package I might have to look at? Could you provide my a bash script with all the necessary commands, since I'm not very used to X? How do I install X so I could use/test version 3 and 4 through different startups (startx3/starx4)? O. Wyss PS. If you aren't the right person, could you please forward this message? --- PPS. Sorry for the following text, I can't stop it :-( - NOTICE - This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please delete it and any copies of it and notify CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message specifically states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP, CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON, and each legal entity in the CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON or CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT business units of CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes good. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bill Clinton http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | PGP signature
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you need to worry about -- it is RMS! :] In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a fontpath element that is a unix-domain socket, possibly on port 6601 or something similar. If you have one, try commenting it out. That has caused problems for many people. In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* files. With luck, it managed to write out as much as possible before dying. [Branden, do you know if our good friends at XFree86.org turn off buffering for these files? :] It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it wouldn't cause crashes this severe. Cheers :) * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 01:50]: > Guess I'm violating the license on this mail by forwarding it. Maybe Craig > Sanders and this guy would like to file a class-action copyright > infringment suit against me... > > - Forwarded message from "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: "Wyss, Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve > inf ormation fora bug report > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:43:25 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) > X-WSS-ID: 1638DAFD80403-01-01 > > I have an uptodate woody (11/27/2000) with kernel 2.4.0-test11 (i386) using >framebuffer support on an ATI Mach64. Now XFree 4.0.1-8 using fbdev (started with >"startx") crashes my system so worse, that I neither can't switch to any console nor >get a connection across the network (telnet, ping). All I can do to get out of a >completly blank screen is pressing the hard reset button. My setup used to work with >XFree 3.3.6 and kernel 2.4.0-test5. Now how do I retrieve any useful information >after the restart of my system, so I can make a useful bug report? What else can I do >to help resolve this crash, i.e. kernel with debug support? > > Does my USB-keyboard/-mouse have an influence in this crash? Or is there any other >package I might have to look at? > > Could you provide my a bash script with all the necessary commands, since I'm not >very used to X? > > How do I install X so I could use/test version 3 and 4 through different startups >(startx3/starx4)? > > O. Wyss > > PS. If you aren't the right person, could you please forward this message? > > --- > PPS. Sorry for the following text, I can't stop it :-( > > > > - NOTICE - > > This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information and is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that you must not use, disseminate, copy it in any form or take > any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error > please delete it and any copies of it and notify CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT > immediately. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the message specifically states otherwise and the sender is > authorized to state them to be the views of CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT. > > CREDIT SUISSE GROUP, CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON, and each legal entity in > the CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON or CREDIT SUISSE ASSET MANAGEMENT business > units of CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. > > > > > - End forwarded message - > > -- > G. Branden Robinson| > Debian GNU/Linux |It tastes good. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bill Clinton > http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
- Forwarded message from Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Bug#68389: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) I assume that this email is going to a real person Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. No fun. Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. Thanks a lot, Nathaniel Rounds [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: > xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole > alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > Darren Benham > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) > id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 > Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) > by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) > Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) > by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) > Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) > id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: fixed with -7 > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - End forwarded message - -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification - End forwarded message - -- G. Branden Robinson|oh my, it's a UP P III. Debian GNU/Linux |dos it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | * joeyh runs dselect http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ |that ought to be sufficient :) PGP signature
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Nathaniel, you are right -- reporting a bug against -10 and hearing it is fixed in -7 is a little strange. WRT your error message, I have approached similar problems in the past by using dpkg directly on the apt-downloaded .deb packages, using the --force-overwrite option. The problem isn't the actual presence of a file there -- it is two packages that claim to own the file. My guess says your collection of packages may have the xconsole.real package moving around from one package to the next between upgrades. I don't know how well apt and/or dpkg would handle these situations. (BTW -- when using apt to upgrade from slink to potato, using dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade may take care of some of these issues... ) I hope this helps explain things. I don't know for sure what happened in your case, but usually force-overwrite does the right thing. :) * Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 11:47]: > - Forwarded message from Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Bug#68389: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer > (fixed with -7)] > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:31 +0100 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-From: Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Cc: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:33:11 GMT > Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Debian-PR-Message: report 68389 > X-Debian-PR-Package: xbase-clients > X-Debian-PR-Keywords: > X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Forwarded message from Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0100 > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) > From: Nathaniel Rounds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7) > > I assume that this email is going to a real person > > Hi. I am glad to hear that someone has looked at the bug report that I > sent in, but I can't say that I particularly understood the attached > explaination. Here's my dilemia: I had trouble updating xbase-client, and > thus the bulk of x-window software from slink to potato. When potato > became the stable debain release, I figured I'd better upgrade, but I held > the slink versions of xbase-client and the various x-window applications > which depend ot it and upgraded the rest of my system. So here is my > problem: if I install the potato versions and they still don't work, I > won't have the slink versions to go back to (I don't think I can get them > from debian anymore) and so I will be left without a working x-window. > No fun. > > Perhaps if you (and by you I mean Darren Benham, his associates, or any > wise unix guru who runs accross my email) could explain exactly what the > developer did in closing my bug report (#68389), I could figure out if I > can upgrade with minimal fear of hosing my system. > > Thanks a lot, > > Nathaniel Rounds > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report #68389: > > xbase-clients: package preinst needs to get rid of xconsole > > alternative, which was filed against the xbase-clients package. > > > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > > Zdenek Kabelac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > > > Darren Benham > > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > > > Received: (at 77550-done) by bugs.debian.org; 22 Nov 2000 14:18:11 + > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 22 08:18:10 2000 > > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33] > > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) > > id 13yaiv-vl-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:18:09 -0600 > > Received: from anxur.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.48.3]) > > by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19965 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 (MET) > > Received: from dual.fi.muni.cz ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [147.251.51.21]) > > by anxur.fi.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25151 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:06 +0100 (MET) > > Received: from kabi by dual.fi.muni.cz with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) > > id 13yait-0001rw-00; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:18:07 +0100 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: fixed with -7 > > Message-I
Re: upgrading to the X4 server
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:49:57AM +0100, Johannes Zellner wrote: > is there any documentation how to upgrade from > a 3.3.6 Server to the 4.x server? apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| Never attribute to malice that which can [EMAIL PROTECTED] | be adequately explained by stupidity. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | PGP signature
Re: modules for the X 4.x server
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 09:53:52PM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > God only knows what int10 and record does. I also probably don't need > some of these (actually, glx/dri doesn't work in my current dual-head > setup, so removing those might actually help! :) -- but what the hey, > it mostly works great. :) INT10 is the real-mode x86 interrupt 10 emulator, used for talking to video cards in the only stupid, stupid language they speak. Record is the server-side implementation the little used XRECORD extension. -- G. Branden Robinson |Murphy's Guide to Science: Debian GNU/Linux|If it's green or squirms, it's biology. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |If it stinks, it's chemistry. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ |If it doesn't work, it's physics. PGP signature
Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 01:59:00AM -0800, Seth Arnold wrote: > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > need to worry about -- it is RMS! :] You appear to be blissfully ignorant of certain flamewars between Craig and myself in the past. All the better for you, probably. :) > In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a > fontpath element that is a unix-domain socket, possibly on port 6601 or > something similar. If you have one, try commenting it out. That has > caused problems for many people. This really shouldn't be a problem anymore. I've had a fix applied for a few versions and XFree86 included it in 4.0.1g, which will be out shortly in 4.0.1-9. > In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* > files. With luck, it managed to write out as much as possible before > dying. [Branden, do you know if our good friends at XFree86.org turn off > buffering for these files? :] No idea. > It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it > wouldn't cause crashes this severe. The USB gizmos locked up my box hard using kernel 2.2.18pre23. So I turned USB off in the BIOS. -- G. Branden Robinson | One man's "magic" is another man's Debian GNU/Linux| engineering. "Supernatural" is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | null word. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein PGP signature
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
> > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > > Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my home address and than out to the world. Unfortunatly for me, it's not that easy to find another employer. > > In the meantime Otto, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file for a > > Does not help either, still crashing. > > In order to get more information, try looking for /var/log/XFree86* > > There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net? > > It is possible your USB mouse is giving trouble, but boy I hope that it > > wouldn't cause crashes this severe. > > I just mentioned it since I guess some other people do use X on the fbdev, but probably very few do use USB on an i386. Or are there anyboby with a similar but working setup? O. Wyss -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:59:19PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > > > Goodness; what a horrible .signature. That would be a real incentive for > > > me to find a different employer. :) [Branden: it isn't Craig that you > > > > Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to > debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my > home address and than out to the world. It doesn't, Branden forwards it to the list as he is far too busy to answer every mail sent to him personally regarding the Xfree packages, especially for every little issue which his system may or may not have (such as, for example, USB). -- Joshua Shagam /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
* Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 15:11]:
> Sorry if I had known, that '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' gets relayed to
> debian-x, I wouldn't have sent it. Usually I send everything first at my
> home address and than out to the world.
Well, Branden forwards email sent to his own account to debian-x if he
thinks someone else stands a chance of handling it or if he thinks the
conversation archived would be useful to someone in the future.
> Unfortunatly for me, it's not that easy to find another employer.
Yes, I know; it was meant mostly in jest. :)
> There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache
> doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to
> force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the
> output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net?
Ok. I think we can defeat this one. If you don't mind playing with your
/etc/fstab file, you can change the partition that contains your
/var/log directory to be a synchronous mount. This of course will slow
things down a bit, but not by a terrible amount. (This is how the *BSDs
did their disk IO before Kirk McKusick invented SoftUpdates to get the
safety of synchronous writes with the speed of async mounts. :)
The other option is to have an endless loop of running sync(1). Someone
posted something similar not so long ago, but I am lousy at shell
scripting. The following C might do the job. :)
int main(void) {
while(1) {
if (system("/bin/sync") != 0)
break;
}
}
(Hmm. The system(3) manpage suggests this is very bad; however, since
the machine crashes anyway, it might not be horrible. Read the manpage
though and see if you can live with this before trying this version. :)
(A perl version wouldn't look much different, I don't think. If you
would rather use perl, I could dredge up my perl memories. :)
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Re: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
I happen to work at Credit Suisse. If you'd like, I'll talk to him. - Original Message - From: "Branden Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 4:47 AM Subject: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my system completly, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
* Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 16:38]: > I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug tracking system is often high on the list. :) > At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force > install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing > with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if "fixed in -7" > means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) > Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free > system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft > ever gave me. Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to read. :) The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more experienced users. Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) Cheers :) -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr: Bug#68389: [nrounds@haverford.edu: Re: Bug#68389 acknowledged by developer (fixed with -7)]]
Oh man, we have two very different ideas of systems. I felt slink was far too old to bother with when I was running potato, and if someone asked me to go back to potato today, I would be driven up the wall. :) I don't know why your report was closed. My guess is, whoever closed it simply raced through the report, and it looked similar to problems with the 4.0.1 series, and the closer knew that it was fixed in 4.0.1-7. This is just a guess though. I don't know what your best bet is -- waiting for woody to become the new stable is probably going to be a long wait indeed. :-/ * Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 19:30]: > So here's the deal. Yes, it has been a few months since I first submitted > this, but 1) my semester started in september (I am a junior at haverford > college, as the email address suggests) so I have had very little time > since mid-august to play sys-admin and tinker with my linux system. And > 2) My system isn't really broken. I did more or less break it the first > time I upgraded to potato using dist-upgrade, in august, because x-window > needed several packages which depend on xbase-client. I solved the > problem by going back to the old version (slink?) to get everything back > up and running. When it became clear that xbase-client wasn't going to > happen, I held the old versions of everything that depended on the new > xbase-client -- 11 deb packages -- and upgraded everything else. So my > system is working fine, I just haven't dared to try and upgrade those > packages again, because life without x-window just isn't very much fun. > > I don't have any real problem using the old versions of those 11 packages, > but if the xbase-client developer or anyone else wise in the ways of deb > packages has had insight as to *why* xbase-client won't install on my > system, then I would love to hear about it. I was specifically curious > whether whatever action resulted in my bug report being closed involved > insight that might be helpful to me. > > Anyway, thanks again for your time. > > Nathaniel > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Seth Arnold wrote: > > > * Rounds Nathaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 16:38]: > > > I don't know if you have access to the original bug report, but I tried > > > > Heh, the wonderful thing about debian is that the bug reports are all > > available via a filesystem rather than through CGI business. So, all the > > debian bug reports get indexed via altavista and google and whatnot. > > When doing searches for only vaugely related topics, the debian bug > > tracking system is often high on the list. :) > > > > > At any rate, no method of installation I tried -- including a force > > > install on the specific deb file using dpkg -- worked when I was playing > > > with all of this a few months ago, I am just curious if "fixed in -7" > > > means that I have any reason to expect things to go better if I try again. > > > > So does this mean that your package system has been broken for several > > months? (Since submitting this, which I think was in mid august..) > > > > > Thanks a lot for responding so quicking -- even though Debian is a free > > > system, I've gotten more support from you guys than Apple or Microsoft > > > ever gave me. > > > > Amen. Nearly all free software projects will give the same level of > > support. (OpenBSD's misc@ group for instance discusses code patches with > > the primary architect of the whole setup; I worry about what goes on in > > the tech@ group. I remember one user asking a question, and within ten > > minutes, he had four answers all suggesting which manpage he needed to > > read. :) > > > > The one time I called MS, it took four techs and two hours to sort out > > that `autodetect' doesn't work on many network cards. And, I still pine > > for the days when MS's knowledge base was easy to use. *sigh* > > > > In the end, I think most of us remember our early days of stumbling > > blindly, and want to help make that process fun for newcomers :) , and most > > of us have our own strange questions that require the help of still more > > experienced users. > > > > Now if only I had a clue about your current problem. (BTW -- as long as > > you have the .debs on your system, you can revert to them at any time. > > Well, within C library versions I think this is the case. :) > > > > Cheers :) > > > > -- > > ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all > > really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' > > > -- ``Oh Lord; Ooh you are so big; So absolutely huge; Gosh we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.'' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
