Debian testing non-free firmware packages are not available

[Piotr Lopatka]

Hi Debian maintainer,

Just reporting that the website seems down as non-free packages are not
available for install/update. It looks like testing and Sid are affected.
Debian stable seems fine.

Many thanks,
Piotr

Re: Debian testing non-free firmware packages are not available

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 05:22:24PM +, Piotr Lopatka wrote:
> Hi Debian maintainer,
> 
> Just reporting that the website seems down as non-free packages are not
> available for install/update. It looks like testing and Sid are affected.
> Debian stable seems fine.
> 

Have you added non-free-firmware to the /etc/apt/sources.list lines?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/01/msg00706.html gives information.

All the very best,

Andy Cater

> Many thanks,
> Piotr

Bug#1030009: www.debian.org: addition of non-free-firmware for bookworm and higher

[Holger Wansing]

Hi Laura, hi all,

Laura Arjona Reina  wrote (Sun, 5 Feb 2023 07:48:45 +0100):
> https://storm.debian.net/shared/Daxsx1pQoBV0v1aPODgReIShC_qnpevLdvXNwQewADa
> 
> Shortened URL: https://deb.li/1030009
> 
> I'm pasting the list of files below for reference.
> 
> I still didn't start to review any file, and some of them I think other 
> teams can help (CDVendors, internationalization scripts...) I'll CC them 
> when I get to those files and post here (in the bug report) my 
> proposals, with commits to the GR-non-free-firmware branch.

I have already updated several of files you listed (those which changings
were most likely non-debatable), but now I would like to discuss, what to
do with files like

releases/bullseye/debian-installer/index.wml
releases/bullseye/errata.wml
releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml
releases/buster/errata.wml

Those old release pages have a warning hint like

If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be 
loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common 
firmware packages or download an unofficial image including these non-free 
firmwares. Instructions how to use the tarballs and general information 
about loading firmware during an installation can be found in the 
Installation Guide.

unofficial images with firmware included - daily builds

unofficial images with firmware included - weekly builds


First I thought we can leave this completely untouched, since these
"images with firmware included" are still there and they are also still
useful (for some hardware at least), if one wants to install those old 
releases. 
But now I would like to propose, we change the "unofficial images with 
firmware included" phrase, since they are no longer *unofficial* according
to the non-free-firmware GR.
Thus I propose to change this into "special images with firmware included"
for those old releases.

Comments?

Holger



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Bug#1030009: www.debian.org: addition of non-free-firmware for bookworm and higher

[Cyril Brulebois]

cc += debian-cd

Holger Wansing  (2023-02-11):
> I have already updated several of files you listed (those which changings
> were most likely non-debatable), but now I would like to discuss, what to
> do with files like
> 
> releases/bullseye/debian-installer/index.wml
> releases/bullseye/errata.wml
> releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml
> releases/buster/errata.wml
> 
> Those old release pages have a warning hint like
> 
> If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be 
> loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common 
> firmware packages or download an unofficial image including these non-free 
> firmwares. Instructions how to use the tarballs and general information 
> about loading firmware during an installation can be found in the 
> Installation Guide.
> 
> unofficial images with firmware included - daily builds
> 
> unofficial images with firmware included - weekly builds
> 
> 
> First I thought we can leave this completely untouched, since these
> "images with firmware included" are still there and they are also still
> useful (for some hardware at least), if one wants to install those old 
> releases. 
> But now I would like to propose, we change the "unofficial images with 
> firmware included" phrase, since they are no longer *unofficial* according
> to the non-free-firmware GR.
> Thus I propose to change this into "special images with firmware included"
> for those old releases.
> 
> Comments?

I don't think we should change anything for buster and bullseye. We
aren't going to produce official images with main and non-free-firmware,
and I don't think the current implementation of those unofficial builds
(using non-free) would match the spirit of the GR.

Maybe people feel differently, but the guiding principle behind all the
changes I've driven so far is: the official status is for bookworm and
later (same story as for packages in non-free-firmware, even if that
component popped up in earlier suites in the archive).


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#1030009: www.debian.org: addition of non-free-firmware for bookworm and higher

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 09:07:44PM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote:
>Hi Laura, hi all,
>
>Laura Arjona Reina  wrote (Sun, 5 Feb 2023 07:48:45 +0100):
>> https://storm.debian.net/shared/Daxsx1pQoBV0v1aPODgReIShC_qnpevLdvXNwQewADa
>> 
>> Shortened URL: https://deb.li/1030009
>> 
>> I'm pasting the list of files below for reference.
>> 
>> I still didn't start to review any file, and some of them I think other 
>> teams can help (CDVendors, internationalization scripts...) I'll CC them 
>> when I get to those files and post here (in the bug report) my 
>> proposals, with commits to the GR-non-free-firmware branch.
>

ACK, that's cool.

>I have already updated several of files you listed (those which changings
>were most likely non-debatable), but now I would like to discuss, what to
>do with files like
>
>releases/bullseye/debian-installer/index.wml
>releases/bullseye/errata.wml
>releases/buster/debian-installer/index.wml
>releases/buster/errata.wml
>
>Those old release pages have a warning hint like
>
>If any of the hardware in your system requires non-free firmware to be 
>loaded with the device driver, you can use one of the tarballs of common 
>firmware packages or download an unofficial image including these non-free 
>firmwares. Instructions how to use the tarballs and general information 
>about loading firmware during an installation can be found in the 
>Installation Guide.
>
>unofficial images with firmware included - daily builds
>
>unofficial images with firmware included - weekly builds
>
>
>First I thought we can leave this completely untouched, since these
>"images with firmware included" are still there and they are also still
>useful (for some hardware at least), if one wants to install those old 
>releases. 
>But now I would like to propose, we change the "unofficial images with 
>firmware included" phrase, since they are no longer *unofficial* according
>to the non-free-firmware GR.
>Thus I propose to change this into "special images with firmware included"
>for those old releases.
>
>Comments?

Just leave the docs for older releases alone - they'll still continue
to follow the older configuration.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
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