Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 14:04 +0100, Jonny Grant wrote: > I feel this is much clearer. The proposal is a good start, however: I don't think the instructions for how to install a package belong on the page about reporting bugs. Debian doesn't appear to have an existing page about how to install packages. Since the set of graphical package managers and commands for gaining root will probably change over time, it would be best to put this page on the wiki where it is more easily modified, possibly linked from one of these pages: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement We need to gather the list of package managers that are installed by default for each of the popular desktops. Then add the list of the most popular alternative package managers. Would you be interested in creating the wiki page? Once that is done, we can remove the install instructions from the bugs page and link to the new wiki page. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
On 07/04/18 10:34, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 14:04 +0100, Jonny Grant wrote: I feel this is much clearer. The proposal is a good start, however: I don't think the instructions for how to install a package belong on the page about reporting bugs. Debian doesn't appear to have an existing page about how to install packages. Since the set of graphical package managers and commands for gaining root will probably change over time, it would be best to put this page on the wiki where it is more easily modified, possibly linked from one of these pages: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement We need to gather the list of package managers that are installed by default for each of the popular desktops. Then add the list of the most popular alternative package managers. Would you be interested in creating the wiki page? Once that is done, we can remove the install instructions from the bugs page and link to the new wiki page. Paul Good ideas, maybe someone from debian project? I'm only able to support the issue I raised on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting That is, how to make it clearer to users to install the bugreport tool and report issues? Regards, Jonny
Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jonny Grant wrote: > Good ideas, maybe someone from debian project? Anyone can edit the wiki, it doesn't require Debian membership. > That is, how to make it clearer to users to install the bugreport tool and > report issues? I've made some changes that improve this: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?r1=1.85&r2=1.86 Here is my rationale for these changes: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?view=log Once the relevant wiki page has been created we can link to that. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
On 07/04/18 13:19, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jonny Grant wrote: Good ideas, maybe someone from debian project? Anyone can edit the wiki, it doesn't require Debian membership. That is, how to make it clearer to users to install the bugreport tool and report issues? I've made some changes that improve this: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?r1=1.85&r2=1.86 Here is my rationale for these changes: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/Bugs/Reporting.wml?view=log Once the relevant wiki page has been created we can link to that. Hello Paul Thank you for this Could it simply follow the accepted modern convention in a text box? sudo apt-get install reportbug reportbug Regards, Jonny
Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Jonny Grant wrote: > Could it simply follow the accepted modern convention in a text box? > > sudo apt-get install reportbug > reportbug I believe what I have done is better for several reasons: Modern desktops de-emphasise the command-line and many users probably have never heard of the command-line. Modern desktops include menu systems that are more user friendly than the command-line. Modern desktops include graphical package managers that are more user friendly than the command-line. Modern desktops de-emphasise using sudo to run commands as root. For a given user, there is no way to tell which desktop they are running, which package manager is available and preferred and which run-as-root method is available or preferred. So, we can't hard-code command-line, sudo or apt-get on the page. Once there is a user-friendly page about installing packages using the various mechanisms available, then we could link to that. PS: for users/sysadmins, apt-get is deprecated in favour of apt. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
