Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

2018-04-05 Thread Jonny Grant



On 04/04/18 14:28, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:

Hello Jonny

El 04/04/18 a las 13:40, Jonny Grant escribió:

Hello

There is a mistake "sudo" is missing

https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting



Thanks for caring about the Debian website.


Thank you for your reply Laura


=
We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug
program. To install and start it, simply run:

# apt-get install reportbug
$ reportbug
==



It's not a mistake:
The sign "#" is to show that the apt-get command has to be entered with root
privileges, and the "$" shows that the reportbug command can be entered as
normal user.
Each user can decide how to get the root privileges: using su, sudo, or whatever
they think it's best.


I think this is the difficulty debian will have "going mainstream". 
We're not all sysadmins. Of course I know what "#" means, but users 
aren't sysadmins. What I explain is just what other modern distros do, 
eg Ubuntu. eg

https://askubuntu.com/questions/766071/install-gnome-shell-on-ubuntu-16-04

Most beginner users have no idea what "su" or "sudo" is

Based on this, would debian follow a modern approach? We're in 2018, not 
2001!


Jonathan



Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

2018-04-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Jonny Grant wrote:

> Based on this, would debian follow a modern approach? We're in 2018, not 2001!

We don't have any web-based package managers AFAIK ;)

How about this?

reportbug is installed by default so you should be able to start
reportbug from the "System" category of your menus.

If (reportbug)[apt://reportbug] is not yet installed, you can install
it using the package manager installed on your system (such as GNOME
Software, KDE Muon, Synaptic, Aptitude GTK etc).

If you don't have a graphical package manager installed, you can open
the terminal application and run a command-line package manager as
root.

If you are using a modern desktop such as GNOME or KDE, you can run
this command:

pkexec apt install reportbug

If you did not set a root password or your user has sudo access, you
can run this command:

sudo apt install reportbug

If you set a root password, you can run this command:

su -c 'apt install reportbug'

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise



Re: Mistake on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

2018-04-05 Thread Jonny Grant



On 05/04/18 13:28, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Jonny Grant wrote:


Based on this, would debian follow a modern approach? We're in 2018, not 2001!


We don't have any web-based package managers AFAIK ;)

How about this?

reportbug is installed by default so you should be able to start
reportbug from the "System" category of your menus.

If (reportbug)[apt://reportbug] is not yet installed, you can install
it using the package manager installed on your system (such as GNOME
Software, KDE Muon, Synaptic, Aptitude GTK etc).

If you don't have a graphical package manager installed, you can open
the terminal application and run a command-line package manager as
root.

If you are using a modern desktop such as GNOME or KDE, you can run
this command:

pkexec apt install reportbug

If you did not set a root password or your user has sudo access, you
can run this command:

sudo apt install reportbug

If you set a root password, you can run this command:

su -c 'apt install reportbug'



Hello Paul
Thank you, yes I feel this is much clearer.
Jonny