Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Martin Zobel-Helas]

Hi, 

On Thu May 09, 2013 at 02:45:56 +0300, Victor Nițu wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 00:40:46 +0200
> Martin Zobel-Helas  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Victor Nițu and me had a bit too much time the last night, so we started
> > playing with CSS on our main page. I tried to move the menu (hometoc)
> > into a JS-less CSS menu. You can see my results on:
> > 
> > http://people.debian.org/~zobel/foo/
> > 
> > Victor put his results on  http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/
> > 
> > I think this layout proposal is far away from being perfect, but maybe
> > we can start discussing a bit about changes in layout again, without
> > breaking too much.
> > 
> 
> I couldn't resist and played more than we thought initially. With some
> minor changes to the template (only some node exclusions and movings,
> no additions), I produced... something else:
> 
> http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/index2.html
> 
> With the (high?) risk of being very, very bold on this variant, I'd
> like to see some opinions on it too. It's far, far away from being a
> good design, but it's a header redesign that doesn't involve too much
> work (I hope). Maybe something constructive will come out of it.

I like this version very much! It solves (as Ean already said) the space
issue on the left side. 

Cheers,
Martin

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Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Martin Zobel-Helas]

Hi, 

On Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:14:33 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Some thoughts:
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~zobel/foo/
> http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/
> 
> I like the menu idea, but not the duplication with the existing
> navigation links in the top bar.

Agreed. It was just a PoC how we could use CSS to produce nice drop-down
menus.

> http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/index2.html
> 
> This one solves the duplication issue and looks pretty good. Would the
> plan be to include the image on every page? I'd suggest just the front
> page so we don't waste too much vertical space. The search box is
> missing at the moment. It also duplicates the links after the two
> intro paragraphs.

Well, i think the idea is to get rid of exactly this link list, as soon
as we have everything moved into the top menu. One problem i see is that
the top menu might become a bit too crowed, so we might want to think
about consolidating menu items.


> There is no sync mechanism between the website CSS and that of the
> wiki or other sites using the Debian theme so if we are changing the
> CSS we should solve this issue first in my opinion.

Paul, this was only a PoC. At least I have not yet thought about any
integration other debian web pages. Yes, we should think about it, but
really on this early stage? In my opinion we should work out other
changes we want to see.

He some of my upcoming ideas for the start page:
* Make the page less 'static'. What do i mean with that? I would like to
  see more content changes on the start page, to make it more
  attractive to visit it. We could for exaple have some sort of
  'featured article', where you could read the first two or three
  paragraphs. Other idea is also to include upcoming events into the
  start page. 
* I like the idea of the grid system of the Twitter bootstrap layout[1].
  Maybe we could use some sort of that to group our content together on
  the start page. If you look at other OSS websites like [2] or [3],
  it works perfectly there, even without using bootstrap CSS.

[1] http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#gridSystem
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/
[3] http://www.postgresql.org/

Cheers,
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Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Olivier Berger]

Hi.

Paul Wise  writes:

> Some thoughts:
>
> http://people.debian.org/~zobel/foo/
> http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/
>

FWIW, here's a comment : I think there's a lack of a visual hint of the
presence of a menu (no 2D+ effect / lines / contrast from the bottom
colour, etc.) behind the menu entries, which doesn't help noticing that
one may need to move the mouse to it, so I think it could be perfected
somehow.

My 2 cents,

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Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Victor Nițu]

On Thu, 09 May 2013 14:55:31 +0200
Olivier Berger  wrote:

> FWIW, here's a comment : I think there's a lack of a visual hint of the
> presence of a menu (no 2D+ effect / lines / contrast from the bottom
> colour, etc.) behind the menu entries, which doesn't help noticing that
> one may need to move the mouse to it, so I think it could be perfected
> somehow.
> 

You may be right, maybe tweaking the gradients a bit will provide a
better visual hint. Also, one can always grab the code from the page
and try his/her hand on the task :-)

There is a long road ahead, before having anything close to complete,
that's why we encourage everybody to provide any related opinions.

> My 2 cents,
> 

Your feedback is very appreciated!

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Who's using Debian?

[Michael Misirlis]

Logikon Labs, Athens, Greece
Commercial
www.logikonlabs.com

We use Debian on all of our workstations, and also on our backup and 
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Re: Who's using Debian?

[Kåre Thor Olsen]

On Thursday 09 May 2013 14:05:34 Michael Misirlis wrote:
> Logikon Labs, Athens, Greece
[...]

The site will be added to the "Who's using Debian" page shortly.

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Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Martin Zobel-Helas]

Hi, 

On Thu May 09, 2013 at 14:55:31 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Paul Wise  writes:
> 
> > Some thoughts:
> >
> > http://people.debian.org/~zobel/foo/
> > http://www.debian.org.ro/uploads/victor/d-o/
> >
> 
> FWIW, here's a comment : I think there's a lack of a visual hint of the
> presence of a menu (no 2D+ effect / lines / contrast from the bottom
> colour, etc.) behind the menu entries, which doesn't help noticing that
> one may need to move the mouse to it, so I think it could be perfected
> somehow.

I find it quite interesting that you have many ideas how this could be
done better. Could you also provide code for that?

Cheers,
Martin

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Bug#706331: Validation issue with the patch (Was: Bug#706331: country lists are strange order)

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 09/05/2013 00:52, victory a écrit :
> 
>> Can you please be specific (provide a broken order and an URL)?
> 
> /distrib/pre-installed

Thanks patch applied. Unfortunately, it seems to trigger a bunch of new
validation issues:

http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/validate/

Is someone willing to look into them (I’m again happy to apply a one
line patch to fix that, or even happier to see someone else applying it
directly).

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Bug#706331: Validation issue with the patch

[victory]

On Thu, 09 May 2013 12:58:18 -0400
David Prévot wrote:

> Unfortunately, it seems to trigger a bunch of new validation issues:

as this was by-product of others,
 I didn't do further tests for this and now have no test environment,
so just a guess, though,
 it may be ok to put in the top of japanese/distrib/pre-installed.wml

if it fails, the list can be generated from a script,
 instead of in the wml file's environment,
 like various mirror lists but for each langs instead of only central place,
 so this does require the flag only in the script
but this is much work w/ very few to gain


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Bug#706331: Validation issue with the patch

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 09/05/2013 14:04, victory a écrit :
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 12:58:18 -0400
> David Prévot wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately, it seems to trigger a bunch of new validation issues:

>  it may be ok to put in the top of japanese/distrib/pre-installed.wml

It has unfortunately other weird side effects as is:

http://www.tilapin.org/debian/distrib/pre-installed.ja

> if it fails, the list can be generated from a script,
>  instead of in the wml file's environment,
>  like various mirror lists but for each langs instead of only central place,
>  so this does require the flag only in the script
> but this is much work w/ very few to gain

Not being able to prepare such a script myself (because I don’t yet
understand the exact root of the problem triggered by the initial fix,
and because it’s pretty hard for a non-Japanese reader to judge if a fix
is right), I’m afraid I’ll revert the current fix and hope someone
propose an acceptable fix for this issue in the (near) future.

Thanks victory for trying to improve the website, and sorry not to fix
this issue right now.

Regards

David




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Bug#706331: Validation issue with the patch

[victory]

On Thu, 09 May 2013 14:54:15 -0400
David Prévot wrote:

> >  it may be ok to put in the top of japanese/distrib/pre-installed.wml
> It has unfortunately other weird side effects as is:
>   http://www.tilapin.org/debian/distrib/pre-installed.ja

this is probably the same as putting that in countries.wml, as said in #5

> Not being able to prepare such a script myself (because I don’t yet
> understand the exact root of the problem triggered by the initial fix,

that's because double encoding occurs where the result is broken

1. Perl needs to encode its internal encoding (this is the flag I'm saying)
2. the conversion occurs if the input is not flag'ed
3. as country_list use command in `` the flag cannot be set

best fix for this is using a cache file of isoquery's output for each lang

reading from a cache file is much faster than executing isoquery each
 time, like in the beginning of list.defs in #706325's patch


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Bug#706331: Validation issue with the patch

[David Prévot]

Hi,

Le 09/05/2013 16:31, victory a écrit :

> best fix for this is using a cache file of isoquery's output for each lang

Please note we already have such a cache available, built by the
following script (it can be improved, moved to a higher level and, of
course, its result can be more widely used):

english/international/l10n/scripts/isoquery.pl

Regards

David

P.-S.: That reminds me I haven’t managed to find a fix for a related
issue that popped up when www-master had been upgraded to Wheezy (but no
one yet complained about it ;), i.e. untranslated language name on top
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Bug#707651: Wiki password recovery not working for me

[Mike Gabriel]

Package: wiki.debian.org
Severity: important

Hi,

I am trying to recover my lost wiki password, but the recovery  
notification mail containing the magic URL does not reach my mail  
account (and neither the mail server I have the account on).


Wiki-Login is: MikeGabriel
Mail address behind it is: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

The logfiles of my mailserver show no hint of the mailing ever  
touching the outside of my mail system.


Thanks+Greets,
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Bug#707651: Wiki password recovery not working for me

[Steve McIntyre]

Slightly taken aback by the severity: important bug, but whatever...

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:36:02AM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote:
>Package: wiki.debian.org
>Severity: important
>
>Hi,
>
>I am trying to recover my lost wiki password, but the recovery
>notification mail containing the magic URL does not reach my mail
>account (and neither the mail server I have the account on).
>
>Wiki-Login is: MikeGabriel
>Mail address behind it is: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

The address in the wiki account is actually
m.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de . I can see that you've just tried to
send mail to that account, and the mail has left wiki.debian.org
outbound to our smarthost (merikanto.debian.org). I'm asking DSA to
check on the logs there now.

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Bug#707651: Wiki password recovery not working for me

[Steve McIntyre]

On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 11:46:55PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Slightly taken aback by the severity: important bug, but whatever...
>
>On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:36:02AM +0200, Mike Gabriel wrote:
>>Package: wiki.debian.org
>>Severity: important
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I am trying to recover my lost wiki password, but the recovery
>>notification mail containing the magic URL does not reach my mail
>>account (and neither the mail server I have the account on).
>>
>>Wiki-Login is: MikeGabriel
>>Mail address behind it is: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de
>
>The address in the wiki account is actually
>m.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de . I can see that you've just tried to
>send mail to that account, and the mail has left wiki.debian.org
>outbound to our smarthost (merikanto.debian.org). I'm asking DSA to
>check on the logs there now.

And:

2013-05-09 22:41:54 1UaZX7-00074u-Q3 => m.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de
R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de [78.46.204.98]
X=TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32
DN="C=DE,ST=Schleswig-Holstein,L=Kiel,O=das-netzwerkteam.de,OU=Internet
Providing,CN=grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de,EMAIL=hostmas...@das-netzwerkteam.de"
C="250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 4F12F3BB7E" QT=1s DT=0s

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Package: wiki.debian.org
Severity: important

Hi,

I am trying to recover my lost wiki password, but the recovery  
notification mail containing the magic URL does not reach my mail  
account (and neither the mail server I have the account on).


Wiki-Login is: MikeGabriel
Mail address behind it is: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de

The logfiles of my mailserver show no hint of the mailing ever  
touching the outside of my mail system.


Thanks+Greets,
Mike (aka sunweaver)

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Bug#707666: [www.debian.org] French: The Debian Live project - "contactées" should be singular

[Filipus Klutiero]

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor
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X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-l10n-fre...@lists.debian.org

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/index.fr.html contains:


L'équipe Debian Live peut-être contactées de différentes façons décrites 
ci-dessous.


"équipe" is singular and "contactées" should also be singular, without an "s": 
"contactée".

By the way, "peut-être" is not an adverb in the sentence above (should read "peut 
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Re: playing a bit with CSS

[Paul Wise]

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:

> Well, i think the idea is to get rid of exactly this link list, as soon
> as we have everything moved into the top menu. One problem i see is that
> the top menu might become a bit too crowed, so we might want to think
> about consolidating menu items.

Seems reasonable, I do wonder about people with text based browsers or
screen-readers, they might need a way to skip the (now larger) list of
links at the top of the page.

> Paul, this was only a PoC. At least I have not yet thought about any
> integration other debian web pages. Yes, we should think about it, but
> really on this early stage? In my opinion we should work out other
> changes we want to see.

Ok, fair enough.

> He some of my upcoming ideas for the start page:
> * Make the page less 'static'. What do i mean with that? I would like to
>   see more content changes on the start page, to make it more
>   attractive to visit it. We could for exaple have some sort of
>   'featured article', where you could read the first two or three
>   paragraphs. Other idea is also to include upcoming events into the
>   start page.

By 'featured article', do you mean an article from /News/ or a random page?

Adding future events and the last event that finished on the main page
would definitely be good.

> * I like the idea of the grid system of the Twitter bootstrap layout[1].
>   Maybe we could use some sort of that to group our content together on
>   the start page. If you look at other OSS websites like [2] or [3],
>   it works perfectly there, even without using bootstrap CSS.
>
> [1] http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#gridSystem

That sounds interesting, especially that it auto-adjusts to screen size.

> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/
> [3] http://www.postgresql.org/

Neither of these auto-adjust to browser window size though, at least
not in Iceweasel.

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