Re: Suggestion - Minor changes to main page for now

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Hi!

 First of all - please be patient with us. We are working on this
voluntary, and sometimes it can happen that lengthy mails take their
time to reply to. :)

* Umang Varma  [2010-06-09 18:44:55 CEST]:
> ! Please CC me as I am not subscribed to the debian-www mailing list !

 Thanks for the notice, please keep it in your additional mails so noone
forgets about it. Also, you are invited to follow through the web
archive of the list just in case: 

> Whichever ones that do work from [1] seem to have major changes (or are
> written from scratch?). I'm not sure of the process, but I think these
> changes can't be accepted or applied very soon.

 From what I understood most of them only change minor bits just like
your suggestion. Otherwise I agree with you, they won't be pratcial to
adopt. E.g. I started with getting Kalle's propsal to work on


> So I'd like to suggest that only small changes are made to the layout
> to remove the not-so-nice parts. I've done a quick and very rough job
> of making one such design. [2]

 It is an interesting approach and looks sweet, though there are some
things that itch me a bit: The blue text and the red headlines are a bit
too much, and personally I dislike dotted links instead of clearly
underlined.

 These are my first impressions though.

> I'm far from an expert in these field and don't think my changes are
> great. However, the intention of this email is to suggest that only
> small changes (not necessarily mine) are made soon to the CSS to make
> the website look a bit better.

 See Kalle's proposal, it doesn't have too deep changes and it comes
with a patch that makes it clear what needs to get changed (and is
already changed on the above site).

 Thanks!
Rhonda
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Re: Suggestion - Minor changes to main page for now

[Umang Varma]

! Please CC me as I am not subscribed to the debian-www mailing list !

On 06/14/2010 12:50 PM, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>  First of all - please be patient with us. We are working on this
> voluntary, and sometimes it can happen that lengthy mails take their
> time to reply to. :)
I'm sorry for that post. I checked the web archives and there seemed to
be some spam that I was afraid my first email got hidden under. I
apologize.
>> Whichever ones that do work from [1] seem to have major changes (or are
>> written from scratch?). I'm not sure of the process, but I think these
>> changes can't be accepted or applied very soon.
> 
>  From what I understood most of them only change minor bits just like
> your suggestion. Otherwise I agree with you, they won't be pratcial to
> adopt. E.g. I started with getting Kalle's propsal to work on
> 
I saw that and, in my opinion, that is the kind of great first impress a
great distro's website should have! I'm guessing, however, that it
changes the layout too much for a quick approval. I am not suggesting
the layout I posted be used, but I'm just saying minor changes should be
made soon.
>> So I'd like to suggest that only small changes are made to the layout
>> to remove the not-so-nice parts. I've done a quick and very rough job
>> of making one such design. [2]
> 
>  It is an interesting approach and looks sweet, though there are some
> things that itch me a bit: The blue text and the red headlines are a bit
> too much, and personally I dislike dotted links instead of clearly
> underlined.
I was a bit unsure of that myself when I first put it up. I've changed
that now. [1]
>> I'm far from an expert in these field and don't think my changes are
>> great. However, the intention of this email is to suggest that only
>> small changes (not necessarily mine) are made soon to the CSS to make
>> the website look a bit better.
> 
>  See Kalle's proposal, it doesn't have too deep changes and it comes
> with a patch that makes it clear what needs to get changed (and is
> already changed on the above site).
To simplify things, I've attached one for the example layout I posted
previously with a few changes so that only the css files needs to be
patched. (I hope a `bzr diff` serves as one, I have not used the diff
from diffutils)

[1]: http://www.umang.ath.cx/debianwww/

Umang
=== modified file 'debian.css'
--- debian.css	2010-06-14 11:38:43 +
+++ debian.css	2010-06-14 11:42:34 +
@@ -6,6 +6,7 @@
 	background-color: #FF;
 	margin: 0 4px 0 4px;
 	padding: 0;
+	font-family: LiberationSans, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana;
 }
 
 img { border: 0; }
@@ -77,17 +78,11 @@
 /* upper nested header box*/
 #upperheader {
 	width: 100%;
-	margin-top: 11px;
+	margin: 18px 0 10px 53px;
 	height: auto;
 	background: #FF;
 }
 
-#logo {
-	float: left;
-	margin-left: 6px;
-	background: #FF;
-}
-
 #serverselect {
 	float: right;
 	display: block;
@@ -156,33 +151,12 @@
 	padding-top: 6px;
 	padding-bottom: 4px;
 	width: 100%;
-	height: auto;
+	height: 3px;
 	text-align: center;
 	background: #BF1238;
 }
 #navbar ul {
-	display: inline;
-	list-style-type: none; 
-	padding-left: 0px;
-	line-height: 1.5em;
-}
-#navbar ul li {
-	display: inline;
-	margin: 0;
-	white-space: nowrap;
-}
-#navbar a {
-	color: #FF;
-	text-decoration: none;
-	padding: 0.2em 0.4em 0.2em 0.4em;
-	background-color: #84;
-	border: 1px solid #84;
-	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
-	font-weight: bold;
-	font-size: 0.9em;
-}
-#navbar a:hover {
-	background: #CC;
+	display:none;
 }
 #navbar .hidecss, .hidecss {
 	display: none;
@@ -199,6 +173,7 @@
 #inner {
 	margin: -2px;
 	margin-top: 0;
+	margin-bottom:20px;
 	width: 100%;
 	background: #FF;
 	/* overflow: auto; */
@@ -210,19 +185,15 @@
 	padding-left: 0;
 	padding-bottom: 1em;
 	width: auto;
-	background: #BBDDFF;
 	font-size: 0.9em;
 	font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
-	border: 1px solid #BBDDFF;
 	/* overflow: auto; */
 }
 #leftcol a:link, #leftcol a:visited {
+	text-decoration:none;
+	color:#1133ff;
 	display: block;
 }
-#leftcol a:hover {
-	background-color: #DDEEFF;
-	/* background-color: #FF; */
-}
 #leftcol ul {
 	margin: 2px;
 	padding: 0;
@@ -248,6 +219,11 @@
 	font-size: 0.9em;
 	margin: 0;
 }
+#leftcol>ul>li>a {
+	border-bottom: 3px solid #BF1238;
+	padding-bottom: 3px;
+	margin-bottom: 3px;
+}
 #leftcol ul li a {
 	line-height: 1.2em;
 	padding-right: 0.5em;
@@ -278,6 +254,25 @@
 #leftcol ul ul .menuselected {
 	text-indent: 0.5em;
 }
+
+h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
+	font-family: Verdana, LiberationSans, Helvetica, Arial;
+}
+
+hr {
+	color: #BF1238;
+	background-color: #BF1238;
+	height:2px;
+	border:none;
+}
+#maincol a:link, #maincol a:visited, #maincol a:hover, #maincol a:active {
+	color:#1133ff;
+	border-bottom:1px solid #BF1238;
+	text-decoration:none;
+}	
+#maincol a:hover {
+	background-color: #ffaabb;
+}
 #maincol {
 	background: #FF;
 	margin-left: 12em;
@@ -315,17 +310,26