Re: Bugs/server-request doesn't mention usertags

2007-12-27 Thread Adam D. Barratt
[Apologies for the delay in replying, I'm catching up on mail after
having been out-of-action for a few weeks]

On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 17:53 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just noticed that Bugs/server-request doesn't mention usertags at all. 
> Since mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the only way to add usertags after the bug
> was filled it should really mention how to add them.

Well, [EMAIL PROTECTED] works too... :-)

Adam


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Re: Is there a problem with http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nut ?

2007-12-27 Thread Simon Paillard
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>  BinNMUs don't have a source upload and thus are not really accompanied
> by a changelog. I'm not sure if that would be doable with some redirect
> magic on packages.debian.org or should be catched by aptitude directly
> already. Propably both ...

For the record, it is an issue already tracked by #422074.

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Re: Is there a problem with http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nut ?

2007-12-27 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi!

Am Dienstag, den 25.12.2007, 10:33 -0800 schrieb e2xbegqsdyt21hfc:
> Is there a problem with
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nut:
> 
> $ apt-show-versions -a -b nut
> nut 2.2.0-2 install ok installed
> nut 2.2.0-2+b1  testing
> nut 2.2.0-2+b1  unstable
> nut/testing
> 
> $ aptitude changelog nut
> Ign ChangeLog of nut
> E: Couldn't fetch URL
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nut/nut_2.2.0-2+b1/changelog
> E: Couldn't find a changelog for nut

 BinNMUs don't have a source upload and thus are not really accompanied
by a changelog. I'm not sure if that would be doable with some redirect
magic on packages.debian.org or should be catched by aptitude directly
already. Propably both ...

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/nut/nut_2.2.0-2/changelog is 
what you were looking for.

 So long,
Rhonda


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Bug#183585: Just Read What Our Satisfied Customers Say!

2007-12-27 Thread Delmar Downey

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downloading Debian 3.1 r2 dvd for i386 and amd64

2007-12-27 Thread Mike Kryskow
Help:

 

I have a customer who is running Debian 3.1 r2 on both intel and amd 
platforms. I need to get a DVD download of that release 

 

  He is also running with the 2.6.19.7 kernel

 

   Could you point me to a location I can download this version of Debian

 

  Thanks



Re: Re: Alexander von Sallwitz/HH/NDR ist außer Haus.

2007-12-27 Thread v . sallwitz
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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
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Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Package: www.debian.org
> Severity: minor
> 
> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227 contains
> 
> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the aptitude 
> (or 
> apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to one of Debian's 
> many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> 
> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting that one 
> can use one or the other. This should probably read "by pointing the Advanced 
> Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to [...]".
> 
> 
> 
You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.

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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez écrit :
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Package: www.debian.org
> > Severity: minor
> >
> > As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227 contains
> >
> > Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
> > aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
> > one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> >
> > This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting that
> > one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by pointing the
> > Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
> > [...]".
>
> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
>
Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is 
precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT, 
which is already a common misconception.





Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: minor

As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227 contains

Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the aptitude (or 
apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to one of Debian's 
many FTP or HTTP mirrors.

This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting that one 
can use one or the other. This should probably read "by pointing the Advanced 
Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to [...]".



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Bug#438787: marked as done (/devel/debian-installer/ links to outdated "weekly" and "daily" images)

2007-12-27 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:33:06 -0500
with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
and subject line Out of date
has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done.

This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith.

(NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am
talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration
somewhere.  Please contact me immediately.)

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(administrator, Debian Bugs database)

--- Begin Message ---

Package: www.debian.org
Severity: normal

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ links to
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ on "current weekly 
snapshot of Debian testing", but these

images aren't current currently, dating from May.

There are current netinst and businesscard images for testing which are
linked from the same page - the problem is that the outdated images
appear first.

Similarly, "daily" multi-arch CD images are not current.

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
The current weekly images are now current. The multi-arch links are now 
broken.

--- End Message ---


Bug#457994: broken links on /devel/debian-installer/ to multi-arch images

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: normal

The 2 links to multi-arch CD images on 
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ are broken, yielding

Forbidden
You don't have permission to 
access /cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ on this 
server.



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Re: downloading Debian 3.1 r2 dvd for i386 and amd64

2007-12-27 Thread Franklin PIAT
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 10:10 -0600, Mike Kryskow wrote:
> Help:
> 
>  
> 
> I have a customer who is running Debian 3.1 r2 on both intel and
> amd platforms. I need to get a DVD download of that release 

As usually, you probably want to use netinst or jigdo images..
http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/

>   He is also running with the 2.6.19.7 kernel
AFAIK, Dbian has never shipped such kernel in stable (sarge=2.6.18 ;
etch=2.6.19) check http://packages.debian.org 

>Could you point me to a location I can download this version of
> Debian

Hope this helps.

Franklin


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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez 
écrit :
> >> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>> Package: www.debian.org
> >>> Severity: minor
> >>>
> >>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
> >>> contains
> >>>
> >>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
> >>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
> >>> one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> >>>
> >>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
> >>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
> >>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
> >>> manual page) to [...]".
> >>
> >> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
> >
> > Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
> > precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT,
> > which is already a common misconception.
>
> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
The announcement says this:
"You can use A or B."
B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice is to 
use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.

It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such as 
aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing APT to a 
source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a source indirectly.

The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or Linux to 
replace Windows.




Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Luk Claes
Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>> Severity: minor
>>>
>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227 contains
>>>
>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>> one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>
>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting that
>>> one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by pointing the
>>> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>> [...]".
>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
>>
> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is 
> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT, 
> which is already a common misconception.

No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).

Cheers

Luk




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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Luk Claes
Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez 
> écrit :
>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>>>> Severity: minor
>>>>>
>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
>>>>> contains
>>>>>
>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) to
>>>>> one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>>>
>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
>>>>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
>>>>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
>>>>> manual page) to [...]".
>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to use.
>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
>>> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use APT,
>>> which is already a common misconception.
>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
> The announcement says this:
> "You can use A or B."
> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice is 
> to 
> use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.
> 
> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such as 
> aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing APT to a 
> source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a source indirectly.
> 
> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or Linux to 
> replace Windows.

No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
Sorry, but you're wrong.

Cheers

Luk



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Bug#176407: See this

2007-12-27 Thread Carmelo Ho
Great Gift ideas online
Top Quality for Men, Women and Kids

http://syoldyear.com

Yes. The obvious
Yes. You'd want that said, (if you
But snow has gathered there, has piled up,





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Bug#207094: Nice gift ideas

2007-12-27 Thread Garth Lindsay
Great Gift ideas online
Top Quality for Men, Women and Kids

http://synewperiod.net

The road, but not far enough ahead
Of observation lying on the ground
That patch of white at the very end of the road






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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez
> >
> > écrit :
> >>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>> Package: www.debian.org
> >>>>> Severity: minor
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
> >>>>> contains
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
> >>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page)
> >>>>> to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
> >>>>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
> >>>>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
> >>>>> manual page) to [...]".
> >>>>
> >>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
> >>>> use.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
> >>> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use
> >>> APT, which is already a common misconception.
> >>
> >> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
> >> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
> >
> > I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
> > The announcement says this:
> > "You can use A or B."
> > B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice
> > is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.
> >
> > It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such
> > as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing
> > APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a
> > source indirectly.
> >
> > The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
> > Linux to replace Windows.
>
> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.

Quoting English Wikipedia:
> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]

As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be considered as 
the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt either is or contains 
libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use aptitude without using apt is 
misleading.




Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Luk Claes
Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez
>>> écrit :
>>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>>>>>> Severity: minor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page)
>>>>>>> to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are, suggesting
>>>>>>> that one can use one or the other. This should probably read "by
>>>>>>> pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the sources.list(5)
>>>>>>> manual page) to [...]".
>>>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
>>>>>> use.
>>>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem is
>>>>> precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not use
>>>>> APT, which is already a common misconception.
>>>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
>>>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
>>> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
>>> The announcement says this:
>>> "You can use A or B."
>>> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only choice
>>> is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end to use.
>>>
>>> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager (such
>>> as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're pointing
>>> APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package manager to a
>>> source indirectly.
>>>
>>> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
>>> Linux to replace Windows.
>> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
> 
> Quoting English Wikipedia:
>> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
>> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]
> 
> As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be considered 
> as 
> the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt either is or contains 
> libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use aptitude without using apt is 
> misleading.

Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager. We recommend to use
aptitude or apt as package manager to upgrade...

Cheers

Luk



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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le December 27, 2007 04:39:34 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez
> >>>
> >>> écrit :
> >>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
> >>>>>>> Severity: minor
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
> >>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
> >>>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual
> >>>>>>> page) to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are,
> >>>>>>> suggesting that one can use one or the other. This should probably
> >>>>>>> read "by pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the
> >>>>>>> sources.list(5) manual page) to [...]".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
> >>>>>> use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem
> >>>>> is precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not
> >>>>> use APT, which is already a common misconception.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
> >>>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
> >>>
> >>> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
> >>> The announcement says this:
> >>> "You can use A or B."
> >>> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only
> >>> choice is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end
> >>> to use.
> >>>
> >>> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager
> >>> (such as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're
> >>> pointing APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package manager
> >>> to a source indirectly.
> >>>
> >>> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
> >>> Linux to replace Windows.
> >>
> >> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
> >
> > Quoting English Wikipedia:
> >> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
> >> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]
> >
> > As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be
> > considered as the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt
> > either is or contains libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use
> > aptitude without using apt is misleading.
>
> Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager.
You mean a libapt front-end? If so, which one is it?




Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
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Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Le December 27, 2007 04:39:34 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
>>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
>>>>>>>>> Severity: minor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
>>>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
>>>>>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual
>>>>>>>>> page) to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are,
>>>>>>>>> suggesting that one can use one or the other. This should probably
>>>>>>>>> read "by pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see the
>>>>>>>>> sources.list(5) manual page) to [...]".
>>>>>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem
>>>>>>> is precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not
>>>>>>> use APT, which is already a common misconception.
>>>>>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
>>>>>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
>>>>> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
>>>>> The announcement says this:
>>>>> "You can use A or B."
>>>>> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only
>>>>> choice is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT front-end
>>>>> to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager
>>>>> (such as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're
>>>>> pointing APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package manager
>>>>> to a source indirectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
>>>>> Linux to replace Windows.
>>>> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
>>> Quoting English Wikipedia:
>>>> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
>>>> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]
>>> As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be
>>> considered as the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt
>>> either is or contains libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use
>>> aptitude without using apt is misleading.
>> Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager.
> You mean a libapt front-end? If so, which one is it?
> 
> 
> 
Ok, check the description of the apt package:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt

"Advanced front-end for dpkg"!! And does aptitude depends on the apt
package? No! Depends on libapt! Which is not apt.

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Updating p.d.o

2007-12-27 Thread Nick Toris
Hello All!

How is the packages.d.o get updated from git? There is new Russian
translation in git since Dec 16 but it isn't updated yet.

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Bug#457995: new update/revision announcement pages confusing about aptitude/apt

2007-12-27 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le December 27, 2007 06:36:31 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous avez écrit :
> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Le December 27, 2007 04:39:34 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>> Le December 27, 2007 03:47:40 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:26:11 pm Luk Claes, vous avez écrit :
> >>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>>>> Le December 27, 2007 03:12:22 pm Jose Luis Rivas Contreras, vous
> >>>>>>> avez
> >>>>>
> >>>>> écrit :
> >>>>>>>> Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Package: www.debian.org
> >>>>>>>>> Severity: minor
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As its predecessor, http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20071227
> >>>>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Upgrading to this revision online is usually done by pointing the
> >>>>>>>>> aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual
> >>>>>>>>> page) to one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This can confuse readers about what apt and aptitude are,
> >>>>>>>>> suggesting that one can use one or the other. This should
> >>>>>>>>> probably read "by pointing the Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) (see
> >>>>>>>>> the sources.list(5) manual page) to [...]".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You can use one or the other, depending on which one you prefer to
> >>>>>>>> use.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually, you have to use APT, since aptitude uses APT. The problem
> >>>>>>> is precisely that the announcement suggests that aptitude does not
> >>>>>>> use APT, which is already a common misconception.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, aptitude uses libapt... For an enduser he can choose whatever
> >>>>>> package manager to use, though we recommend aptitude (or apt).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess I have not been clear enough about the problem.
> >>>>> The announcement says this:
> >>>>> "You can use A or B."
> >>>>> B being a library used by A, users have to use B anyway, the only
> >>>>> choice is to use A or not. Actually, the choice is which APT
> >>>>> front-end to use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It could also be changed to "pointing your favorite package manager
> >>>>> (such as aptitude and Synaptic) to [...]" though in reality, you're
> >>>>> pointing APT to a source, and you're only pointing your package
> >>>>> manager to a source indirectly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The current sentence is a bit like saying that you can use Debian or
> >>>>> Linux to replace Windows.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, it's not, apt is a package manager, it's libapt that is a library.
> >>>
> >>> Quoting English Wikipedia:
> >>>> APT is a C++ library of functions (known as libapt) which are used by
> >>>> front-end programs for dealing with packages [...]
> >>>
> >>> As you can see, APT can be considered as libapt. apt can also be
> >>> considered as the apt package, but it still contains libapt, so apt
> >>> either is or contains libapt. Therefore, suggesting that one can use
> >>> aptitude without using apt is misleading.
> >>
> >> Last time: For *end users* apt is a package manager.
> >
> > You mean a libapt front-end? If so, which one is it?
>
> Ok, check the description of the apt package:
> http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt
>
> "Advanced front-end for dpkg"!!
Yes, it's not clear. I opened #458029 about that.
> And does aptitude depends on the apt 
> package? No! Depends on libapt! Which is not apt.
It doesn't directly depend on apt, but it does effectively depend on it.