Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Richard Atterer]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 02:31:56AM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote:
> Can some people please give comments on the Javascript solution  
> repairing IE?

Seems to work fine, see  - tested with 
MSIE 6 under Wine.

However, I have a problem with including obfuscated-source JavaScript on 
the Debian website! :-/

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 18.02.2006 um 10:27 schrieb Richard Atterer:

However, I have a problem with including obfuscated-source  
JavaScript on

the Debian website! :-/


I have no other idea. The IE7 scripts repair IE HTML and CSS support.

Either we care IE and use it or we do not. I do not see any other  
alternatives.


Greetings

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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[MJ Ray]

Jutta Wrage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Can some people please give comments on the Javascript solution  
> repairing IE?

I don't understand the problem from your RFC.

> Is it appropriate to include js for that one browser in the debian  
> www? Other browsers will not load the scripts as they are not that  
> buggy.

I suspect it is not appropriate. The browser should be bugfixed.

Also, where is the source code to
http://www.witch.westfalen.de/js/IE7_0_9/ie7-core.js ?

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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 18.02.2006 um 12:55 schrieb MJ Ray:


Also, where is the source code to
http://www.witch.westfalen.de/js/IE7_0_9/ie7-core.js ?


The homepage of the scripts is at http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/

Uncompressed source code of the scripts is there, too.

You are right with "the browser must be repaired" - but I think M$  
will not give any cent for that comment. So there are only the two  
alternatives I mentioned for us.



greetings

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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Richard Atterer]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:36:58PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote:
> Am 18.02.2006 um 10:27 schrieb Richard Atterer:
> > However, I have a problem with including obfuscated-source JavaScript 
> > on the Debian website! :-/
> 
> I have no other idea. The IE7 scripts repair IE HTML and CSS support.
> 
> Either we care IE and use it or we do not. I do not see any other 
> alternatives.

There's always an alternative... ;-)

The JavaScript code below can be put into a .js file and referenced by a 
page. It waits until the page has been loaded, then it goes through all  
tags and adds normal quotes around the contained text. For example, 
foo becomes "foo". It could be extended to produce 
language-dependent quotes and not just plain ASCII "" with quite a lot of 
extra work, but honestly, I can't be bothered to do this just for MSIE...

This code must only be executed for browsers which are known not to do 
anything about the -related CSS, otherwise too many quotes will be 
displayed (something ""like this"").

[If you tried to execute it with Firefox/Konqueror, nothing would seem to 
happen because they don't support the attachEvent() function - their 
equivalent for this is called addEventListener(). However, e.g. Opera 
supports both the CSS and the JavaScript, so it displays too many quote 
characters. Weird, actually Opera produces stuff like «"single Quote»"», I 
would have expected a result like «"single Quote"». ]

FWIW, I've now also checked whether your div[lang=xx] CSS works with MSIE 7 
beta 2. It doesn't work, the results are identical to MSIE 6! :-(( From 
what I've read in various places, hardly any CSS improvements have been 
made to MSIE 7 so far - let's hope that MS will end up implementing more 
than tabbed browsing and eye candy.  G...
For the moment, I'd still go for the check "[if lt IE 7]" in the hope that 
later MSIE 7 betas will actually come with improved CSS capabilities.

Did I mention that MSIE sucks? ;-/

Cheers,

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/* MSIE 6 does not support CSS attribute selectors like [lang=de], so
   manually add quote characters inside q tags.
   Copyright 2006 by Richard Atterer, redistributable under GPLv2. */
window.attachEvent('onload', addQuotes);
function addQuotes() {
  var qTags = document.getElementsByTagName("q");
  for (var i = 0; i < qTags.length; ++i) {
var q = qTags[i];
q.insertBefore(q.document.createTextNode('"'), q.firstChild);
q.appendChild(q.document.createTextNode('"'));
  }
}


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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Jens Seidel]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:41:33PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:36:58PM +0100, Jutta Wrage wrote:
> > Either we care IE and use it or we do not. I do not see any other 
> > alternatives.
> 
> Did I mention that MSIE sucks? ;-/

Maybe it's an option to add a header or popup window or something
similar when this browser is used:


You are using a browser which doesn't conform to current Web standards. 
It's likely that the Debian site will not display properly. We are very
sorry about this but since Microsoft's Internet Explorer isn't free
software there is nothing we can do about ...

We suggest you use a free browser such as Mozilla Firefox. Not only that
it properly supports current standards, it's also more secure, runs on
nearly every hardware platform and is likely what you want.


This way we educate the user and promote free software (not only the
super Debian OS).

Jens


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www.debain.de

[cmIP84]

Hallo, ich wollte mal fragen ob es möglich sei ein
inoffiezielles Forum für Debian auf ihrer Seite zu verlinken , um ganz einfach Bezugsquellen
wenn Fehler/Probleme im deutschsprachigen bereich aufkommen sollten so schnell
und so gut wie möglich zubehen.

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christoph Muth

Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 18.02.2006 um 18:22 schrieb Jens Seidel:


Maybe it's an option to add a header or popup window or something
similar when this browser is used:


That might be better. Quotes are not the only HTML/CSS-thing, IE does  
not understand. So Richards suggestion helps with _one_ of the  
problems only.


Related to the quotes, there is only Links, I know, not to understand  
 tags. And the script wil not help there.


I really do not think, it is necessary to re-invent the ie7 scripts  
for Debian. And for sure, that would be needed to solve _all_  
problems with IE. Beside that I am not willingly to spend any time on  
looking for side effects of Javascript which is in the webwml tree  
for all browsers.That will make my work more difficult and time eating.


greetings

Jutta


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Re: Comments needed: quotes with other browsers

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 18.02.2006 um 17:41 schrieb Richard Atterer:


/* MSIE 6 does not support CSS attribute selectors like [lang=de],


That is not only used for quotes... There are many more things, IE  
does not understand or just make totally wrong. All that is in the  
script, I included in the example page and teh website copy on my  
homepage.


If it was only the quotes, the solution would be easy, yes. - But it  
isn't.


greetings

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Re: www.debain.de

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 18.02.2006 um 20:37 schrieb cmIP84:

Hallo, ich wollte mal fragen ob es möglich sei ein inoffiezielles  
Forum für Debian auf ihrer Seite zu verlinken , um ganz einfach  
Bezugsquellen wenn Fehler/Probleme im deutschsprachigen bereich  
aufkommen sollten so schnell und so gut wie möglich zubehen.
This mailing list (debian-www) is English only. Beside that Debian  
has already its own mailing list for german users (see http:// 
lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/). To have web forums was  
discussed before but not decided yet.


Die Sprache dieser Mailingliste (debian-www) ist english.  Im Übrigen  
hat Debian schon eine eigene Mailingliste für deutschsprachige Nutzer  
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/). Die Einrichtung von  
Web-Foren wurde bereits diskutiert, ist aber noch nicht entschieden.


greetings

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Re: Comments on usability issues of w.d.o

[Jutta Wrage]

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Am 14.02.2006 um 13:19 schrieb NAGY Viktor:


"Select a server near you" form

"Select a website
mirror near you".


I think, that is a good idea, but may be e bit long in translations...

Therefore I think it's not the best solution to put it at the top  
of the

home page and _every_ sub page.


Users have different entry pages.


We'd rather put it in a separate page,
and could add additional information on the location of the mirror
sites and on the quality of connection to them.


Then that page could be added to the menu at the left. But there  
isn't a menu on all pages.



Menu at left

I find it quite long. The readers might be annoyed because they  
have to
scroll for the navigation. We could hide the sub-items on the main  
page

and show them only after visiting a main item, or create dynamic
menus with layering technique.


We discussed already about the website structure. But that are just  
plans for now. Later it will be easy to have better navigation and  
sub main pages.


Some people need to work on an outline of the website which allows to  
get an overview and the possibility to reorder pages to get all that  
done.



Visit the Site Sponsor

If the mirror has no sponsor this link points to a completely empty
page. In this case the image shouldn't appear.


Hmm.. The pages are not created on demand. So a "no sponsor" page  
might be better in this case.



Search

"The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on
it." Are we really?  This message has been shown almost for a year  
(why

is the Last Modified date 2002 in the footer?) It's a shame on us.


So true, so true...


However, search with google is a viable solution. There's no need to
give the option for searching www, everybody searches www from google,


The option schould be removed. Two new options would be better:  
search lists.debian.org and search www.debian.org.



nobody does from d.w.o. I'd put a simple search entry field at the top
right corner of the pages (where everyone puts it),


Nobody puts direct google search at top of page. So I'd suggest to  
leave it where it is now until debian has its own search again.



which works with
google.  The current entry field at the bottom of the navigation menu
has several problems: lacks a label and a submit button and doesn't
work.


For sure the button schould be added there. But normally it just  
works on pressing return. Which browser?



Greetings

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[clayton boutian]

  Hi,

   I am trying to install this OS on my computer . 
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sponsor.html is empty

[fantasai]

http://www.debian.org/sponsor.html is completely empty afaict. I don't think
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