Bug#200411: www.debian.org: confusing description of non-US sections

2003-07-08 Thread Matt Kraai 
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> The "packages" page at 
> currently says:
> 
> =
> Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
> These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
> encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by patent
> issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
> =
> 
> The point about encryption software is out of date since we can get any
> crypto software exported from the USA these days.  The last sentence is
> needlessly vague.

The thread

 http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200207/msg00029.html

documents the exact rationale for these sections.  The following
patch incorporates its conclusions into the packages page.

I'd appreciate it if the readers of debian-legal would
double-check it.

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Index: english/distrib/packages.wml
===
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/distrib/packages.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.51
diff -3 -c -p -u -r1.51 packages.wml
--- english/distrib/packages.wml6 Feb 2003 18:12:17 -   1.51
+++ english/distrib/packages.wml8 Jul 2003 04:52:18 -
@@ -26,10 +26,17 @@ restrictive license or legal issues. The
   Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but have some
   onerous license condition restricting use or redistribution of the
   software.
-Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
-  These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
-  encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by
-  patent issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
+Non-US/Main
+  Packages in this area are free themselves but cannot be
+  stored on a server in the USA because they are encumbered by
+  patent issues.
+Non-US/Non-Free
+  Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but
+  have some onerous license condition restricting use or
+  redistribution of the software.  They cannot be exported from
+  the USA because they are encryption software packages or they
+  cannot be stored on a server in the USA because are encumbered
+  by patent issues.
 
 
 Note that same packages might appear in several distributions, but with

Bug#200411: www.debian.org: confusing description of non-US sections

2003-07-08 Thread Branden Robinson 
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 09:59:34PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> The thread
> 
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200207/msg00029.html
> 
> documents the exact rationale for these sections.  The following
> patch incorporates its conclusions into the packages page.
> 
> I'd appreciate it if the readers of debian-legal would
> double-check it.
[...]
> Index: english/distrib/packages.wml
> ===
> RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/distrib/packages.wml,v
> retrieving revision 1.51
> diff -3 -c -p -u -r1.51 packages.wml
> --- english/distrib/packages.wml  6 Feb 2003 18:12:17 -   1.51
> +++ english/distrib/packages.wml  8 Jul 2003 04:52:18 -
> @@ -26,10 +26,17 @@ restrictive license or legal issues. The
>Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but have some
>onerous license condition restricting use or redistribution of the
>software.
> -Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
> -  These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
> -  encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by
> -  patent issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
> +Non-US/Main
> +  Packages in this area are free themselves but cannot be
> +  stored on a server in the USA because they are encumbered by
> +  patent issues.
> +Non-US/Non-Free
> +  Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but
> +  have some onerous license condition restricting use or
> +  redistribution of the software.  They cannot be exported from
> +  the USA because they are encryption software packages or they
> +  cannot be stored on a server in the USA because are encumbered
> +  by patent issues.
>  
>  
>  Note that same packages might appear in several distributions, but with

Looks okay.  I suggest the following further changes:

s/free themselves/freely licensed by the copyright holder/

s/USA/U.S./

s/do not necessarily cost money, but//

s/encryption software packages/& that are not exempted from the export
control procedure that is used for packages in Main/

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Re: Where could we put web pages about debian-installer on the official debian web server?

2003-07-08 Thread Martin Quinson 
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 07:09:21PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:33:09PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > I mail you to ask you what do you think of putting the content of
> > http://people.debian.org/~pere/debian-installer/
> > under
> > www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> > (or elsewhere if this location don't look appropriate to you).
> 
> IIRC I mailed someone about that already... or I seriously contemplated that
> at least :)

What was the content of this mail which seems to be lost? Are you agreeing?
proposing another location?


Thanks, Mt.

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Bug#200411: www.debian.org: confusing description of non-US sections

2003-07-08 Thread Matt Kraai 
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:01:17AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 09:59:34PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > Index: english/distrib/packages.wml
> > ===
> > RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/distrib/packages.wml,v
> > retrieving revision 1.51
> > diff -3 -c -p -u -r1.51 packages.wml
> > --- english/distrib/packages.wml6 Feb 2003 18:12:17 -   1.51
> > +++ english/distrib/packages.wml8 Jul 2003 04:52:18 -
> > @@ -26,10 +26,17 @@ restrictive license or legal issues. The
> >Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but have 
> > some
> >onerous license condition restricting use or redistribution of the
> >software.
> > -Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
> > -  These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
> > -  encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by
> > -  patent issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
> > +Non-US/Main
> > +  Packages in this area are free themselves but cannot be
> > +  stored on a server in the USA because they are encumbered by
> > +  patent issues.
> > +Non-US/Non-Free
> > +  Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but
> > +  have some onerous license condition restricting use or
> > +  redistribution of the software.  They cannot be exported from
> > +  the USA because they are encryption software packages or they
> > +  cannot be stored on a server in the USA because are encumbered
> > +  by patent issues.
> >  
> >  
> >  Note that same packages might appear in several distributions, but with
> 
> Looks okay.  I suggest the following further changes:
> 
[snip]
> 
> s/encryption software packages/& that are not exempted from the export
> control procedure that is used for packages in Main/

I find this last change confusing.  If they are "not exempted"
from the export control procedure, it should apply to them.  How
about

 They cannot be exported from the U.S. because they are encryption
 software packages that are not covered by the export control
 procedure that is used for packages in Main...

instead?

Thanks for reviewing this.

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Bug#200471: www.debian.org: security page out of date with respect to alerts

2003-07-08 Thread Branden Robinson 
Package: www.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-08
Severity: important

I keep forcing a refresh, but:

http://www.debian.org/security/

continues to not display the most recent 4 Debian Security Advisories.

They are:

[DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
[DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
[DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
[DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration

Please reassign to security team if the problem is on their end.

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Bug#200471: www.debian.org: security page out of date with respect to alerts

2003-07-08 Thread Gerfried Fuchs 
* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-07-08 08:54]:
> [DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
> [DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration

 *h*, strange.  According to the build-logs[1]:

#v+
make[3]: Entering directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/english/security/2003'
wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2003 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   dsa-339.wml
copying dsa-339.en.html to ../../../../www/security/2003
making a link ../../../../www/security/2003/dsa-339.html -> dsa-339.en.html
wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2003 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   dsa-341.wml
copying dsa-341.en.html to ../../../../www/security/2003
making a link ../../../../www/security/2003/dsa-341.html -> dsa-341.en.html
wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2003 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   dsa-342.wml
copying dsa-342.en.html to ../../../../www/security/2003
making a link ../../../../www/security/2003/dsa-342.html -> dsa-342.en.html
wml -q -D CUR_YEAR=2003 -o UNDEFuEN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   index.wml
copying index.en.html to ../../../../www/security/2003
making a link ../../../../www/security/2003/index.html -> index.en.html
make[3]: Leaving directory `/org/www.debian.org/webwml/english/security/2003'
#v-

 This file has a timestamp of 16:12 today on www-master [2], am not sure
if this has to propagate to to other servers and which timezone
www-master is in, though.

> Please reassign to security team if the problem is on their end.

 No, they have nothing to do with the dsa's on the website (beside that
Joey has webwml access and usually adds the files).

 So long,
Alfie
[1] 
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Bug#200471: www.debian.org: security page out of date with respect to alerts

2003-07-08 Thread Matt Kraai 
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:54:58AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I keep forcing a refresh, but:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/security/
> 
> continues to not display the most recent 4 Debian Security Advisories.
> 
> They are:
> 
> [DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
> [DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration

According to the build log

 http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/wml_run.log

it has been rebuilt.  I suppose it hasn't had a chance to be
mirrored from www-master.d.o to www.d.o yet.

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Bug#200471: www.debian.org: security page out of date with respect to alerts

2003-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman 
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:54:58AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:

> Package: www.debian.org
> Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-08
> Severity: important
> 
> I keep forcing a refresh, but:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/security/
> 
> continues to not display the most recent 4 Debian Security Advisories.
> 
> They are:
> 
> [DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
> [DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> [DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration
> 
> Please reassign to security team if the problem is on their end.

I think there is a manual step involved here that I am not aware of and do not
have privileges to execute.  It looks like most of them just went through this
morning:

dsa-339.wml:# $Id: dsa-339.wml,v 1.1 2003/07/08 06:44:27 joey Exp $
dsa-341.wml:# $Id: dsa-341.wml,v 1.1 2003/07/08 06:46:53 joey Exp $
dsa-342.wml:# $Id: dsa-342.wml,v 1.1 2003/07/08 06:47:55 joey Exp $


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Bug#200411: www.debian.org: confusing description of non-US sections

2003-07-08 Thread Branden Robinson 
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 06:15:35AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:01:17AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > s/encryption software packages/& that are not exempted from the export
> > control procedure that is used for packages in Main/
> 
> I find this last change confusing.  If they are "not exempted"
> from the export control procedure, it should apply to them.  How
> about
> 
>  They cannot be exported from the U.S. because they are encryption
>  software packages that are not covered by the export control
>  procedure that is used for packages in Main...
> 
> instead?

I agree.  When I started writing it I was thinking about the
applicability of the U.S. export control regulations themselves, but
that's not really what we care about directly.

I do suggest s/covered/handled/, thought.

> Thanks for reviewing this.

No problem!

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Bug#200471: www.debian.org: security page out of date with respect to alerts

2003-07-08 Thread Gerfried Fuchs 
* Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-07-08 10:35]:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:54:58AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
>> Please reassign to security team if the problem is on their end.
> 
> I think there is a manual step involved here that I am not aware of
> and do not have privileges to execute.

 Right, must one be from the webwml group, who runs mainly the plain
text of the DSA through the parse-advisory.pl script which lies in
english/security. There is a README for it for those who aren't aware of
yet.  Usually Joey does it like I said but currently he is a little bit
stressed with the LinuxTag so it took a while. I will keep my eyes on
this though to help him when I notice.  Feel free to bug me on IRC if it
seems to be lagging again, and I'll add it.

>  It looks like most of them
> just went through this morning:

 They just don't seem to be synced, though.  www-master is
www.nl.debian.org currently, you can see the DSAs online there. I guess
Joy (or the other webmasters ;) should know better if there are problems
with the sync.

 HTH,
Alfie


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Severity: important

I keep forcing a refresh, but:

http://www.debian.org/security/

continues to not display the most recent 4 Debian Security Advisories.

They are:

[DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
[DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
[DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
[DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration

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On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:42:05AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > I keep forcing a refresh, but:
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/security/
> > 
> > continues to not display the most recent 4 Debian Security Advisories.
> > 
> > They are:
> > 
> > [DSA-339-1] New semi, wemi packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> > [DSA-340-1] New x-face-el packages fix insecure temporary file creation]
> > [DSA-341-1] New liece packages fix insecure temporary file creation
> > [DSA-342-1] New mozart packages fix unsafe mailcap configuration
> 
> According to the build log
> 
>  http://www-master.debian.org/build-logs/webwml/wml_run.log
> 
> it has been rebuilt.  I suppose it hasn't h

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The "packages" page at 
currently says:

=
Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by patent
issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
=

The point about encryption software is out of date since we can get any
crypto software exported from the USA these days.  The last sentence is
needlessly vague.

How about:

=
Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
These packages cannot be exported from the USA for legal reasons
(such as patent restrictions).  Packages in Non-US/Main are free
software, while Non-US/Non-free contains non-free software.
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Howdy,

I've clarified the descriptions.

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