Re: Daniel Stone
On 18 Mar 2001 10:32:12 +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > Brian Russo wrote: > > > > I have not met him in real life, or even known him long > > via irc, however my consistent image of him is not one > > of trust, nor maturity, but well.. > > I have met him in real life at a key signing party with 5 or 6 other > developers, he seemed to get along well with everyone, he gave me the > impression that he was very mature for his age and motivated to work > with the debian community. > > Im not in a position to judge his technical knowledge though. OK. I sent a short reply to Glenn before (I was in a hurry, and this carried over to me hitting Reply, not Reply to All). Basically, I thanked him. I must admit I got a shock when I saw a thread with my name in it in the archives ... In case the rest of you are not aware, I have withdrawn my NM application. Basically, I am a) too busy, and there was b) no chance in hell of passing "elmo's fuckwit filter", and c) he ignored every single email I ever sent him. I don't get on well with Brian, because I jumped into #debian-devel, and got abused by him within 30sec of joining. Most of it about how much of a "fuckwit" I was, and how every DD was a "fuckwit" according to me, etc. Which gave me the shits, so I grew my /ignore list by one. He didn't like it ... tough; that's what you get when you're being as much of a moron as he was that night. *shrug* Basically, I said some stuff ... how to put it? I don't dispute what I said in those emails with Ben Collins; the basic gist was right, if you just cut through the random ranting abuse. While I still think what I said is entirely correct, I 'spose that was a lesson in the fact that a) email like that is memorable, and b) http://lists.debian.org - archives. If it was the me, now, writing those emails, then, I would be a lot more diplomatic. I still think what I said is more or less true; I just try and not say stuff like that to -devel much these days. I think I've matured since then. It's too bad that the flames with BenC is what everyone remembers; since I don't think it fairly reflects on me, now. Anyways, due to the reasons above, and the fact that this year of school is now head-down, arse-up, I'm too busy to be bothered with stacking Debian on my plate; besides, I'm not going to pass DAM (even being rejected would be preferable to being ignored) anyway - so what's the point? I am still looking for a sponsor for my packages, I have no intention of withdrawing them. I would like to contribute to Debian, but obviously I'm not going to pass DAM, so I withdrew (the only thing I've heard from Troup in my life was, after I withdrew, when I asked him on IRC why he stalled me, he said "you've withdrawn, now let me work on other people's apps" - I wouldn't think ignoring emails would've been so hard, but hey). Thankyou, d -- Daniel Stone Linux Kernel Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 G!>CS d s++:- a C++ ULS$>B P L+++> E+(joe)>+++ W++ N->++ !o K? w++(--) O M- V-- PS+++ PE- Y PGP>++ t--- 5-- X- R- tv-(!) b+++ DI+++ D+ G e->++ h!(+) r+(%) y? UF++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Daniel Stone
On 18 Mar 2001 23:42:02 +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > I would like to contribute to Debian, but obviously I'm not going to > pass DAM, so I > withdrew (the only thing I've heard from Troup in my life was, after I > withdrew, when I > asked him on IRC why he stalled me, he said "you've withdrawn, now let > me work on > other people's apps" - I wouldn't think ignoring emails would've been so > hard, but hey). Oh, and BTW, today marked *two months* of waiting for DAM approval/being ignored by DAM. Fun and bloody games. d -- Daniel Stone Linux Kernel Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 G!>CS d s++:- a C++ ULS$>B P L+++> E+(joe)>+++ W++ N->++ !o K? w++(--) O M- V-- PS+++ PE- Y PGP>++ t--- 5-- X- R- tv-(!) b+++ DI+++ D+ G e->++ h!(+) r+(%) y? UF++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: [daniel@kabuki.openfridge.net: Re: Daniel Stone]
> - Forwarded message from Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Basically, I said some stuff ... how to put it? > I don't dispute what I said in those emails with Ben Collins; the basic > gist was right, > if you just cut through the random ranting abuse. While I still think > what I said is entirely > correct, I 'spose that was a lesson in the fact that a) email like that > is memorable, and b) > http://lists.debian.org - archives. If it was the me, now, writing those > emails, then, I would > be a lot more diplomatic. I still think what I said is more or less > true; I just try and not say > stuff like that to -devel much these days. > Daniel, the list discussion with you was long gone. I'll tell you what I remember about our initial encounter on IRC in #debian-devel. The first day you were there, I did not completely know who you were. I recall seeing you say "BenC: hi" and I responded pollitely with "DanielS: hello". Nothing else said. Then a day later (or perhaps the same day just later that night), one of the folks on #debian-devel sent me an IRC log from #debian-devel where you started out calling me a "fuckwit" (to which I did not respond because I was not around). My fellow developers obviously defended me and attacked you for your immaturity. BTW, I have ths log if anyone cares to see Daniel in his online form. A day later, I saw you discussing when DPL voting was over and also about your problem of running a perl script as root. I made a slightly smart ass comment (quote "hindsight is always 20/20") where you immediately called me a "fuckwit" and we started a heated discussion about how my views were stopping you from becoming a maintainer, even though I have zero control over the nm process. You also added anyone else that challanged you and your attitude, to the your "fuckwit" list. I'm sorry, but that kind of language and disrespect has no place in Debian. Opinions are fine, even wild opinions. But your disrespect is innexcusable. I don't care how Daniel acts in real life. Chances are for most of us, we will never meet 99% of our fellow developers, so how we act in this collaborative way via the mediums we do have (IRC, email, mailing lists) is more important. I could care less that he were the biggest jerk in real life, it's Debian life that matters for the project. -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---'
Re: Daniel Stone
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 11:42:02PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > On 18 Mar 2001 10:32:12 +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > Brian Russo wrote: > > > > > > I have not met him in real life, or even known him long > > > via irc, however my consistent image of him is not one > > > of trust, nor maturity, but well.. > > > > I have met him in real life at a key signing party with 5 or 6 other > > developers, he seemed to get along well with everyone, he gave me the > > impression that he was very mature for his age and motivated to work > > with the debian community. > > > > Im not in a position to judge his technical knowledge though. > > I must admit I got a shock when I saw a thread with my name in it in the > archives ... I thought you wanted your name in lights.. > > In case the rest of you are not aware, I have withdrawn my NM > application. Basically, > I am a) too busy, and there was b) no chance in hell of passing "elmo's > fuckwit filter", > and c) he ignored every single email I ever sent him. I don't get on > well with Brian, > because I jumped into #debian-devel, and got abused by him within 30sec > of joining. > Most of it about how much of a "fuckwit" I was, and how every DD was a > "fuckwit" > according to me, etc. Which gave me the shits, so I grew my /ignore list > by one. He > didn't like it ... tough; that's what you get when you're being as much > of a moron as he > was that night. *shrug* That's a very interesting exaggeration. "Most of it about how much of a fuckwit I was" I don't recall ever saying that.. "30 seconds" Unless my clock shifted 10 minutes, I don't ever recall even addressing you much less 'abusing within 30sec' While I don't deny that later on, I got quite annoyed with you, to say that I "jumped on you and abused you" is uh.. interesting.. 00:14] *** DanielS has joined #Debian-Devel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [...] [00:24] if you want to know why, do a search for Daniel Stone NM in the -devel archives :) [00:25] ohh [00:25] daniel stone nm [00:25] you're the one that was whining so much [00:25] DanielS: i think your feelings on the subject are pretty well known :P# [00:25] *** wolfie knew your name was familiar [00:25] you people recognise me?!? [00:25] jesus [00:25] yes [00:25] you bitched so much [00:25] how could we not? [00:25] bah [00:25] ben collins is a complete fuckwit [00:25] DanielS: your whinings on advogato _and_ d-d make it kinda tricky not to I believe you went on to call tbm a 'fuckwit' also iirc. probably me too, *shrug*, tbm and benc are great people, I guess I should be honoured to be considered fuckwits along with them. for someone that is looking to get packages sponsored, dam approval, wants to be an AM, et al. you dont really play well with others. > > Basically, I said some stuff ... how to put it? > I don't dispute what I said in those emails with Ben Collins; the basic > gist was right, > if you just cut through the random ranting abuse. While I still think > what I said is entirely > correct, I 'spose that was a lesson in the fact that a) email like that > is memorable, and b) > http://lists.debian.org - archives. If it was the me, now, writing those > emails, then, I would > be a lot more diplomatic. I still think what I said is more or less > true; I just try and not say > stuff like that to -devel much these days. well -devel is certainly not the "nicest" place around, but still you tried hard. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0101/msg01318.html here's your reply - SHOVE IT UP YOUR ARSE stop YOUR shit [blah blah] I suppose your revised "diplomatic" version of this would be "Stick it up your bumhole, halt your waste" ? no idea.. > > I think I've matured since then. It's too bad that the flames with BenC > is what everyone yes well, flames are far more memorable. > remembers; since I don't think it fairly reflects on me, now. Anyways, > due to the reasons > above, and the fact that this year of school is now head-down, arse-up, > I'm too busy > to be bothered with stacking Debian on my plate; besides, I'm not going > to pass DAM > (even being rejected would be preferable to being ignored) anyway - so > what's the > point? and with such a fatalist aloof attitude.. who can question the dedication. > > I am still looking for a sponsor for my packages, I have no intention of > withdrawing them. have you ever heard the expression "dont bite the hand that feeds?" > I would like to contribute to Debian, but obviously I'm not going to > pass DAM, so I > withdrew (the only thing I've heard from Troup in my life was, after I > withdrew, when I > asked him on IRC why he stalled me, he said "you've withdrawn, now let > me work on > other people's apps" - I wouldn't think ignoring emails would've been so > hard, but hey). bottom line: you're an NM, you've contributed nothing to debian so far, you've done nothing but piss off people, create a poor image, and push people away from you. Sure we all get pissed off sometimes.
AM Report for Javier Vinuales Gutierrez
AM Report for Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez Applicant Information: Name: Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez Current Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Preferred Debian Account: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription Email to -private: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Summary: I am happy to recommend the acceptance of Javier as a Debian Maintainer. Identification -- Javier provided the following GPG key (attached): pub 1024D/4EB82468 2000-11-13 Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez (Coordinador de La Espiral) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig! 4EB82468 2000-11-13 Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez (Coordinador de La Espiral) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig! 3EF23CD6 2000-11-14 Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sub 1024g/13FA10C1 2000-11-13 sig! 4EB82468 2000-11-13 Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez (Coordinador de La Espiral) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is signed by Santiago Vila, whose fingerprint matches what is held in db.debian.org. Identification Check Passed Policy and Procedures - Javier and I discussed the Social Contract and the DFSG. He demonstrated to me that he understands the principles and extent of these documents, and that he is aware of the responsibilities of a debian maintainer. He also explicitly agreed to abide by the DMUP. He also answered some questions on copyrights and licenses to my satisfaction. Policy and Procedures Check Passed Tasks and Skills Javier is the leader of the La Espiral project. I quote from his email: "I'm an barrapunto.com editor wrinting in the debian section, and I'm the leader of "La Espiral Project" (www.laespiral.org), an initiative to aid to growth Debian (no Debian GNU/Linux, _Debian_) in the spanish language world. We are cooperating with www.debian.org/international/spanish, you can see the reference to La Espiral in http://www.debian.org/international/spanish/proyectos.es.html"; He has packaged hptalx, amongst other programs. hptalx is a HP48 or HP49 <-> Computer communications program for Linux. I took a look at the package and it is lintian clean. Javier is being advocated by Jordi Mallach (Oskuro). Here is what Oskuro had to say about Javier: "[03/12 15:15:56] [Oskuro> Gop_Astro: He's the Coordinator of laespiral.org, a pr oject to provide free documentation and articles about Debian, in Spanish. He has written some mini howto's about Debian-related thigs (apt-get, etc). He's very active on that project. He's also very responsive and very dedicated to Debian." All in all, I think Javier has the skills and the experience necessary to be a debian developer and will make a great addition to the debian developer community. -- Gopal Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian GNU/Linux Developer Dept. of Astronomy, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
AM Report for Joshua Haberman
AM report on Joshua Haberman by Craig Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> == ID --- GPG key signed by Ian Eure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ID step passed. Philosophy & Procedures --- Can explain social contract DFSG, agrees to abide by DFSG for Debian work. Agrees with DMUP. Correctly answered questions. P&P check passed. Tasks & Skills -- Packaged audio editor call Audacity and is also one of the upstream authors of this. http://www.reverberate.org/woody/ Package looked ok and was lintian clean T&S check passed. Recommendation -- I recommend that Joshua be accepted as a Debian Maintainer Debian login: joshua Forwarding email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Craig Small VK2XLZ GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.eye-net.com.au/<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIEEE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp6J2NQdBkh5.pgp Description: PGP signature
AM report for Cyrille Chepelov
AM report on Cyrille Chepelov by Craig Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> == ID --- GPG key signed Debian developer (and ex NM for me) Ralf Treinen pub 1024D/F7F6AAD9 1999-09-24 Cyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig! F7F6AAD9 2000-01-12 Cyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig! E0BA04C1 2001-03-01 Ralf Treinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uidCyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig! F7F6AAD9 2000-05-13 Cyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sig? A879BEF8 1999-09-24 sig! E0BA04C1 2001-03-01 Ralf Treinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sub 1024g/DC2D3B5C 1999-09-24 sig! F7F6AAD9 1999-09-24 Cyrille Chepelov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ID step passed. Philosophy & Procedures --- Correctly answered the given questions correctly. Agrees with DMUP and can explain free, social contract and DFSG in own words. P&P check passed. Tasks & Skills -- Packaged two sponsored packages: dia2code and libgtkpgs which are sponsored by Ralf. Ralf was very happy how they turned out. dia2code is in the distribution, libgtkpgs is not due to dependency problems. A discussion of those problems showed good knowledge of that aspect of Debian. T&S passed. Recommendation -- I recommend that Cyrille be accepted as a Debian maintainer. Debian login: chep Forwarding email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Craig Small VK2XLZ GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.eye-net.com.au/<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIEEE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgpO6x4zK7P3z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: NM Applicant Michael Fedrowitz
On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:10:44PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > I think we should try to push applicants to make some serious effort > to have their key signed. In the case of Michael (under the hypothesis > that he really is based in Ulm) it seems reasonable to expect that he arranges > something with a developer in Stuttgart or Augsburg. > > On the other hand I understand that AMs can not always evaluate the > situation when they don't know the country of the applicant. In this > case why not ask for help on this list? I'll be glad to answer that > type of question for France and Germany, for instance. Good idea, after James' message about we strongly prefers a signed key I have not let any applicants through without a signed key. I generally run through the db.d.o and then try to filter on province/state as well as country. I then might say developers are at "Sydney, Wollongong, Nowra, Strathfield". and let the applicant tell me the closest one: "Strathfield, if not then Sydney". Then I ask the maintainers, only if they agree do i tell the applicant it the maintainers name. - Craig -- Craig Small VK2XLZ GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5 Eye-Net Consulting http://www.eye-net.com.au/<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIEEE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debian developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AM Report for Week Ending 18 Mar 2001
Weekly Report on Debian New Maintainers === For week ending 18 Mar 2001. Weekly Summary Statistics = 4 more people applied to become a new maintainer 15 applicants became maintainers. New Maintainers === The following applicants became new maintainers last week: Carlos Prados <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rémi Perrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thomas Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> James Antill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jochen Voß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jerome Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michael Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jan Niehusmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> JP Sugarbroad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Johannes Hirche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Purcell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> González-Barahona Jesús M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Database inconsistency errors - Maintainer name is in brackets. AM confirm date occurs before AM assignment date [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2000-05-18 occurs after 2000-05-01 (gecko)
Re: Problem checking out webwml
Sorry to bother... but I'm not sure if I'm doing this right... I have added users changing /cvs/webml/CVSROOT/passwd when you say that a plain copy must be in /cvs/webml/passwd are you talking about the same file (ie. it's a typo) or you mean that I must do a 'cp /cvs/webml/CVSROOT/passwd /cvs/webml' in order for the changes to work? Javi On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:46:48AM -0800, James A. Treacy wrote: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 02:00:11PM +, Jaime E . Villate wrote: > > I'm new to debian-www, so please forgive me if I'm asking something trivial. > > I've downloaded a copy of CVSROOT/passwd using > > :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/webwml and I can see that Javier has > > given me access: > > villate:(encrypted password):treacy > > > I have fixed the problem. > > > I have also tried using :ext: and it doesn't work either > > > Only Debian developers can use this method. > > Javier, when updating the passwd file, a plain copy must be added to > klecker.d.o:/cvs/webwml/passwd. > > -- > James (Jay) Treacy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Problem checking out webwml
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 07:22:56PM +0100, Javier Fdz-Sanguino Pen~a wrote: > Sorry to bother... but I'm not sure if I'm doing this right... I > have added users changing /cvs/webml/CVSROOT/passwd when you say that a > plain copy must be in /cvs/webml/passwd are you talking about the same file > (ie. it's a typo) or you mean that I must do a 'cp /cvs/webml/CVSROOT/passwd > /cvs/webml' in order for the changes to work? You need to change the file, commit it to CVS, and then copy it over to cvs.debian.org:/cvs/webwml/CVSROOT/passwd (This is a CVS feature, that way pserver users can't add new pserver users, only the local users.) -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification
Re: Debian WWW CVS: joy
Debian WWW CVS: > Changes by: joy 01/03/18 10:57:51 > english/releases: index.wml > it's not like there's a current and non-current one Eh, but the name might change, might it not? -- \\// peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ Statement concerning unsolicited e-mail according to Swedish law: http://www.softwolves.pp.se/peter/reklampost.html
Re: Debian WWW CVS: joy
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 08:57:21PM +0100, peter karlsson wrote: > > Changes by: joy 01/03/18 10:57:51 > > english/releases: index.wml > > it's not like there's a current and non-current one > > Eh, but the name might change, might it not? There's a possibility, yes, although a very slight one. But even so, that sentence couldn't mention a current unstable distribution, instead it could say that the unstable distribution is currently called . But the word "currently" is not needed in there. :) -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification
Re: Debian WWW CVS: joy
Josip Rodin: > But even so, that sentence couldn't mention a current unstable > distribution, Why not? If the unstable distribution is changed to something else, then it becomes another unstable distribution. I know that with testing, the unstable distribution will stay the same over a longer period, and that this is major nit-picking, I just want to understand the reason behind your change... -- \\// peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/ Statement concerning unsolicited e-mail according to Swedish law: http://www.softwolves.pp.se/peter/reklampost.html
Re: Debian WWW CVS: joy
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 09:17:56PM +0100, peter karlsson wrote: > > But even so, that sentence couldn't mention a current unstable > > distribution, > > Why not? If the unstable distribution is changed to something else, > then it becomes another unstable distribution. Er, no, we could change its name, but not the form. At least, there aren't any plans for changing its form, because most changes to the layout of the archive break compatibility which is not desired. > I know that with testing, the unstable distribution will stay the same > over a longer period, and that this is major nit-picking, I just want to > understand the reason behind your change... Basically, user doesn't need to know that there might be a change in how sid is called. (Besides, its codename is a minor detail, the main thing to note is that it's unstable, literally.) -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification
Re: Proposal for a mailing list to improve Debian translation
"Thomas T. Dorsey" wrote: > > From: "Christian Couder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > There is a difference between internationalization (i18n) and > > translation (l10n). > > > Internationalization is supposed to make it possible to translate things > > (like an app using gettext or a web site using content negotiation). > > Translation is making some translation available for the things that > > have been internationalized. > > Sometimes, it is really not that simple when you start playing with MBCS, > right to left writing (Arabic), or even something like top to bottom then > right to left MBCS (a traditional writing style in some Asian coutries.) > > (Mostly for those that > Internationalization (I18N), in its simplified meaning, is a combination of > methods to design and implement an application or system to theoretically > support any possible language. An i18n application must be able to support > all the languages supported by the operating system and/or libraries, even > if it may operate awkwardly. > > Localization (L10N), is a process to make an application or system to > support a locale (both language and location) that is not currently > supported. In supporting the locale, the application or system will usually > be changed to not only support the language, but to also to support the > local "customs". These customs may be simple as just changing the shortcut > assignments, but may go as far as making major locale specific application > modifications or additions. A well designed i18n application will easily > support the new language and key assignments, but the modification and > additions are usually only possible at the l10n stage. Although it is > ideal, a l10n application does not necesarily have to be an i18n > application. The translation of the documentation is also an import part > that is dealt with durring l10n. > > Translation (T9N?), is the process of translating the language. Usually the > term translation is used to specify a stage of the l10n process, but for > some locales the translation stage may be the only stage required for the > entire l10n process. Your explanation is very good. Thanks. > Out of these processes, the i18n process is the most important. With good > i18n support, the l10n process of complex languages (ie. Chinese, Japanese, > Vietnamese, Korean) is greatly simplified (ask anyone else that did l10n > work in one of these languages). Without i18n support the effort put into > the l10n process may even justify a code fork (happened very frequently in > the past). > > I support the creation of a deban-l10n for discussion of general l10n > issues. It may be better discussing alot of this in the i18n list, but I > think it would be very useful for those that are trying to get help in l10n > issues for a certain language or a set of languages they want to support. > Maybe creating a l10n list for every language may be an option, but that > might be a little overkill. ;-) Thanks for your support. There are already some debian-l10n- for different langages (french, dutch, portuguese, spanish). > > So if we want to talk about translation in the i18n list, we should at > > least change the description of the i18n list. > > For example we could change it to "Internationalization (i18n) and > > translation (l10n) of the distribution are discussed here." > > This also sounds good to me. > > > And currently there is one low traffic "debian-i18n" list and many > > "debian-l10n-xx" lists with higher traffic. So in my opinion, people > > are more interested in discussing translation than internationalisation. > > So it would be better anyway to change the name of the i18n list (if we > > don't want 2 lists). > > I think we should keep the i18n list either way since l10n and i18n are > linked, but separate issues. Ok. So as you and Tomohiro Kubota seem to prefer two different lists, I go back to my first proposal. I will ask for a new list called "debian-l10n". (Well, if no other people make me change my mind again.) Regards, Christian.
