Re: to reiterate, why are there no security updates on the front page? (Or, 17 security holes the security team hasn't told you about)

2000-05-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Joey Hess wrote:
> > Why is the last security update listed on the www.debian.org web page,
> > and the last security announcement posted to debian-security-announce,
> > from way back in March? 
> 
> One reason: we probably need one or two extra people in the security
> team. We had someone join the security team last year only to leave
> before doing anything, and another this year who is still a member
> but doesn't seem to have done anything yet. 

Yes.

> I'm guessing that we'll get a bunch of replies from people stating that
> they want to volunteer. We'll probably ignore or reject most of those
> since we want people we know we can trust. 

True.

> > While a quick grep of debian-changes for this month and April for
> > "security" finds:

Joey, can you feed us with that information?  I feel that it is helpful
to track problems and to get them documented.  But.. please don't put
more than 5 such problems in one mail... that's flood

> Lets ignore all the ones from potato and woody, we don't support that.
> That leaves:

I strongly object!  We have a lot of users who already use potato so we
have to support it.  It's also being released soon - I hope.

Regards,

Joey

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No question is too silly to ask, but, of course, some are too silly
to answer.   -- Perl book



The Zeroth Debian Conference

2000-05-30 Thread Thierry Laronde
Hello,

I don't who I must get in touch we in order that the Debian Conference
can be advertise on the debian site among the other events.

Can someone tell me please who is responsible for that ?

TIA
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Re: The Zeroth Debian Conference

2000-05-30 Thread Nils Lohner

Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get on to the events pages, and send us 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) all relevant information (when, where, what, why, who, etc. 
:) 
if you'd like it to be on debian-announce... the more info the better.

Regards, Nils.
ps. btw, I'm thinking of presenting something... should I talk to you about 
it?  I'm in Grenoble, so not too far away.

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thierry Laronde writes:
>Hello,
>
>I don't who I must get in touch we in order that the Debian Conference
>can be advertise on the debian site among the other events.
>
>Can someone tell me please who is responsible for that ?
>
>TIA
>-- 
>Thierry LARONDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>10, rue du Bel Air, 74000 ANNECY / Tel.-Fax : 33.(0)4.50.67.46.61
>website : http://www.polynum.com
>/home du SDF (Site Debian Francophone) : http://www.polynum.com/debian/
>




the modified BSD license is no more

2000-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi people,

The `modified BSD license' doesn't exist anymore -- the modification has
been included in the new version of the `ordinary' BSD license. If you're
running potato, look at /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD file, notice how
there's no `advertising clause'.

Therefore, I have taken the liberty to update the web pages accordingly.
Editing the translations was quite simple, I don't think anything went
wrong, except perhaps for he Japanese translation, I really can't parse it
well. Please check it out (intro/free.wml and intro/license_disc.wml) and
correct any errors I may have done.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification



Re: Formway update in Debian vendors page (Country : Chile)

2000-05-30 Thread Craig Small
On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:00:22PM -0400, Marcelo Leseigneur wrote:
> Dear Craight:
> 
> Thanks for your mail
> PLEASE ADDRESS WWW.FORMWAY.ORG
> AND YOU WILL FIND REQUESTED INFORMATION
I don't go looking for this information, vendors have to supply it to
me.  This is because I may choose an URL that is deleted later or make
some assumption that is wrong.  Also I'd have no chance on a site from,
say, a Japanese vendor.
Go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/vendors and email me with the
information I need. It's not a particularly difficult task.

> SOME CLIENTS OVER HERE IN CHILE ASKED ME WHY?
> FORMWAY DESAPEARED FROM DEBIAN CD VENDORS PAGE.
Formway disappeared purely because you/they did not have a Debian CD
page, the website had some brokeness about it and you did not reply to
my email in February.  You can re-assure your clients it has nothing to
do with the "goodness" or otherwise of Formway purely because we have no
way of knowing that.

> THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR ATTENTION,
I must apologise for the lengthy delay in replying to you.  I have had
to make some very large changes in how my email is handled as well as
switching machines and your email somehow ended up in a strange folder.
All should be well now.

  - Craig
  1/Xth Debian webmaster
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debian.org web pages [was 'Re: volunteer']

2000-05-30 Thread w trillich
peter karlsson wrote:
> 
> w trillich:
> 
> > a. search field, top left number one always always always.
> 
> Getting a new search engine is something that should be highly prioritized,
> yes. However, I don't see the need for having entry fields on all pages,
> especially since we have the "Search" link on each page.

...which brings up a page telling about the fact that there's
no search facility.

offering a link to a fancy search page for the impatient experts
is a good idea, as is done now. offering a search field for
impatient newbies is a good idea for helping them get up to speed
without looking for which link to click to get to a search page.

i'll not have any write access to the web pages in the forseeable
future; i'll just munge what i can and send my recommendations up
the line and see if it survives inspection... :)

> > b. newbie links:
> > - debian faq / faq-o-matic
> > - debian / linux glossary
> > - where/how to download debian
> 
> These are linked, but not directly from the front page. All links can't go
> on the first page, or else it will take forever to download.

i'm interested in making the debian.org website more conducive
to getting the newbie up to speed. i've been climbing uphill for
a while and i see more new folk every week adding their layer
of repetitive questions to the mailing list--if we can make it
more difficult for them NOT to find what they need on the website,
the rest of us won't be distracted by the same questions day
after day, week after week, until we pull our hair out and jump
the debian ship in favor of a PAYING job somewhere...

> > - will debian work on my hardware? [ports]
> > - i386
> > - powerpc
> > - sparc
> > etc
> 
> That goes into the installation manual or release notes, I think.

and it should be there too. but foremost, to attract ranks of 
new debian users and make debian the number one linux available,
we need to present info to the newbie in a format that the
newbie 1) expects, 2) understands, and--most important, in my
book--3) can FIND. bury it three links down and they'll never
see it.

> > c. have the remainder of the left column contain
> > - tip of the day (maybe make a fortune database for this?)
> 
> That could probably be a good idea, if someone can write anything good.

i wonder if we could find a way to distill some tidbits from
debian-user? past archives are a wealth of useful data
for just such a use.

> > - quick-start guide
> 
> What do you mean? A link to something?

probably. there's a fella working on documentation for the mod_perl
plugin for the apache webserver, and his efforts (perl.apache.org/guide)
are getting to be incredibly informative and crucial to the whole
project. maybe we can start a pale imitation in regards to debian...

this item may overlay the 'tip-of-the-day' above, in that a series
of such tips may be lined up to help get newbies off the ground with
minimal disturbance to the debian-user list.

> > - languages available
> > [need to fix "??? ?? (GB) ?? (Big5)
> > ??? ???" regardless]
> 
> One should not mix nationality with language.
> 
> The best thing is to do as is done now, have the language.


very good point--pardon my naïveté (i'm feeling much better now). 
i come from the graphic arts perspective, and had a knee-jerk
reaction to a dearth of icons. never mind about the flags...  :)

[i guess my browser can't handle the ones that display as '?'
then, right? should we try GIFs there?]

> > online html documentation must be updated so that any reference to
> > 'currently' is replaced with 'as of xx/yy/zz' to reduce
> > misinformation--such as the outdated comment that "hamm (2.0) is the
> > current debian release."
> 
> Where can one read that?

a-ha. almost like the question a newbie would pose to a guru.

here's the reaction a newbie might get from a harried guru, in 
response to your question:
| why, it's right there on the website/in the documentation,
| as i already mentioned. you have to try to look for it
| yourself--at least try a little bit. go look for it
| yourself (RTFM)...

not too helpful, is it? i hope you can see my point -- an 
occasional pointer now and then can be a lifesaver to someone 
who's just  getting started.

the outdated reference you're seeking is under the faq-o-matic
on www.debian.org:
| ...
| Currently, hamm is stable, and slink is frozen and
| potato is the unstable distribution.
| ...
just a bit out-of-date as you can see. (if there were a search
facility, the exact page would be much easier for anybody to find.)

i can supply a less vague pointer (an exact url, if you like) of 
the outdated info if you (like most newbies) don't care to--or (like
most newbies) don't know how to--do the legwork yourself.

--

let's make it easier on the newbies and watch our rank & file
grow exponentially!