Re: "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post"
Peter Tuhársky dijo [Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:01:04PM +0100]: > > As of the overwhelming reaction to the mail, I can partially > understand the reaction, when I look at Amayita website. Ok... This is just one more evidence of the trollness of this thread. Do you have an issue with Amaya? Many people in this project -me included- hold her in very high esteem, personally and professionally. Still, you are not reporting about content in http://people.debian.org/~amaya or http://amaya.debian.net/ - It is her domain, hosted with her own resources, and in no way endorsed or OK'ed by the Debian project. Still, if having no Debian connection makes you think she will not be supported by her many Debian friends... you are way off. So, please, troll somewhere else. Not only is she completely free to post whatever she wants on her own server and homepage, she is also more than able to defend herself. And still, many people are willing to shut you up in her behalf. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf anti-harassment policy - contact address
Amaya dijo [Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 08:09:48PM +0100]: > > For DebConf, the choice should probably be left to whoever volunteers > > to do the work. Which version is adopted should also be left to them. > > > > Amaya and Patty: do you want to use this address for DebConf ? > > I am all for it. > Thanks! And just for being explicit: Even if antiharassment @debian.org (not DebConf-specific), both Amaya and Patty have been involved (to different degrees) with past DebConf organization/coordination. So, I am all for them both being the official DebConf contact in this regard. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: USA Science and Engineering Festival
Danielle Rubio dijo [Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:56:39AM -0700]: > Hello, > > I'm with the USA Science and Engineering Festival in Washington DC. We are > reaching out to Debian Women to see if your organization would like to be > involved in our upcoming festival in April. Could you please send me a > direct contact to whom I could send the relevant information? Hi, I'm forwarding your mail to the Debian Women mailing list — Although I'm sure several people involved in it also follow the debian-project mailing list, pointing at the right place won't hurt. (Keeping both you and the -project lists cc:ed) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children
Sam Kuper dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:56:18PM +]: > That's because there's a big difference between: > > (A) 'Deciding to not include a copy of some "literary discussion" in a > GNU/Linux distribution' (this can be fair enough, as I said earlier); > and > > (b) deciding 'legal and literary discussions of abuse are completely > excluded from Debian' (which would prevent Debian from ever > distributing some valued works of the Western cultural canon, not on > the basis of their being software or not, but on the basis of their > literary content - a form of censorship). > > Like you, I'm in favour (A), applied sensibly; and I'm not in favour of (B). Please note that deciding whether to include a given piece of work in Debian or not *cannot constitute censorship*. In case we don't distribute a work that's in some way questionable or endangering to the project's mission and continuity, we would in no way be banning it from reaching the public at large, only making it a bit harder to get it quickly installable/deinstallable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140314011932.gp115...@gwolf.org
Re: Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children
Jo Shields dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:34:59PM +]: > Let's be very, very, very clear then. > > This is a game where you play a paedophile. The aim is to rape local > little girls, whilst evading the authorities. Success is rewarded with > graphic scenes of sex with children, failure with being thrown in > prison. The sex content is only optional in the sense that you can out > yourself to the authorities and get thrown in jail rather than continue > with the actual game content. Where "game content" consists of a few > hundred drawn images of graphic sex acts with children. The script > "unrpa.py" can be used to extract all the assets from the .rpa files in > the upstream-distributed game. > > We're not talking about some great moral position on artistic integrity > here. There are interesting visual novels made with Ren'Py worth > considering for Debian. But I don't think, on any sane planet, Hero > Paedo Fucks Kids In German is a game we want in the archive. Bufff... If even the game is ¹/₁₀ of what Jo describes here, I'd very very very very very very very much prefer not having it anywhere near the Debian archive. Not only because the plot line is actively against *many* things many of the DDs have been working hard to reduce on the project for a very long time (and by tenthing the game, it'd still include sexism and violence, even if Jo's view was heavily distorted — And I have no indications not to trust this mini-review!) And yes, even removing many red alerts, this strikes me as something that will very likely be illegal in one or more jurisdictions. We don't want that. > *Seriously* how is it possible that this bullshit has taken up as much > time as it already has? Right. Seriously. The game is available "out there" for anybody that wants it. Debian is not about packaging just-about-everything. We don't need it, and there is absolutely no consense in doing so! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
"First Monday" April 2015 --- Digital gender: Toward a new generation of insights
Hi all! I don't know if you are familiar with "First monday: Peer-reviewed journal on the Internet". It is a very interesting, social-sciences-oriented, academic magazine that's published monthly every (duh) first Monday. I have often found great material published there for different projects I've been involved with. I was gratefully surprised to see the list of articles for this month: http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/issue/view/442/showToc Digital gender: Perspective, phenomena, practice Viktor Arvidsson, Anna Foka Sluts ‘r’ us: Intersections of gender, protocol and agency in the digital age Nishant Shah Shame transfigured: Slut-shaming from Rome to cyberspace Lewis Mark Webb On trans-, glitch, and gender as machinery of failure Jenny Sundén Toxic femininity 4.0 Roopika Risam Embodying culture: Interactive installation on women’s rights Patrizia Marti, Jeroen Peeters, Ambra Trotto, Michele Tittarelli, Nicholas True, Nigel Papworth, Caroline Hummels Seeing through the fog: Digital problems and solutions for studying ancient women Alex McAuley I haven't yet read the articles, but I'm sure more than one person in this list (and myself, of course!) will find them very interesting. Greetings! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9
Vincent Lejeune dijo [Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 09:26:23PM +0200]: > The poster by itself is not really about sexism, but rather about > cultural appropriation: > First Sara is white in what appears to be a native american like outfit. > Then she is in front of a religious building (the pyramid) and wear a > feather halo. > It seems that feather is a sacred symbol for native american culture. > I might be wrong though since I dind't find anything saying that no > native nation used elements in religious ceremony that could be seen > as sexualizing in my european eyes, > yet Wikipedia's entry on Aztec and Maya women tells that it wasn't the > case ; and IMHO mixing religious symbol and potentially sexualising > clothes is not respectfull. > I think it is as equally offending to have a nun wearing a bikini top > in front of a christian church for instance. > On the other hand, the poster isn't bundled with the game, or at > least, it doesnt really need to be packaged. It's more marketing > material. Umh, let me address this particular point. I am Mexican, and I believe I am conscious about the importance of our original cultures, and the respect they deserve. While the poster does not strike as the most cautious possible, I do not see it as culturally offensive. It does not attempt to set a scene portraiting what were the cultures really like; the portrait it paints is similar to so many fantasy recreations (think i.e. Disney's "book of the jungle" depiction of the monkey king — And that's way more detailed and involved). I would take far greater offense at, say, a movie like Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto", which attempts to give an air of authenticity to something that's 100% fictional. None of SuperTuxKart's settings attempts to be faithful to reality (10m tall bananas?), and I don't believe anyone would think it is a game about any of the over 60 cultures indigenous to my country. Oh, and FWIW: Several local cultures didn't assign a taboo to breast-showing. In many cases, particularly in the cultures that lived in the warmer climates, the norm was for the woman to go bare-chested. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150501024549.gb18...@gwolf.org
Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9
Vincent Lejeune dijo [Fri, May 01, 2015 at 06:40:01PM +0200]: > Thanks for your answer, it's interesting. > I initially asked a native american feminist about these issues on twitter, > she told me that the poster was mixing random cultural element together, > I interpreted that as offensive. But now I may have been wrong in how > important it is. If I understand correctly your point, it's not offending. > I apologize for the inconvenience on this point then. First of all, I am just one person, and my impression is only mine. I *do* think I have some sensibility to the issues at hand, though, and that's why I took part in this thread. > Actually she was much more concerned with the sexism of the game and the > bikini top in the poster. In USA Native American women are more likely to be > raped or sexually assaulted[1] and native blogs often points the > fetishization of native american women > in ads and media as a possible explanation. > But maybe I am too cautious there, it remains to be determined if the > poster is somehow fetishizing. I would say the poster is as offensive to native American cultures as Dreamworks' "How to train your dragon" is offensive to Scandinavian societies, or as "Astérix" is to French people (not even as offensive as Astérix is to Italians, of course, which can be more aggressive, portraying them as descendants of stupid Romans). And anyway, the poster (as game posters often do) does not portray the gameplay, so I'd consider it completely nonsubstantial to the issue at hand. > As I'm not native and not woman I appreciate havinv several opinions > on this matter. I'm also not from my country's native population. My friends liken me more to a person that would be angry at "How to train your dragon" earlier than at "Apocalypto", based on my name, aspect and even familiar history... But I do think I have something to say anyway ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150501170749.ga38...@gwolf.org
Promoting the organization of a women MiniDebConf in Mexico
Hello world, I have been talking with several people in Mexico, as I have long wanted to bring to our country a MiniDebConf in the spirit of the ones held at Barcelona or Bucharest. I am including in full at the end of my mail the last mail I received from Estrella, a member of Rancho Electrónico¹, a hackerspace that hosts many different activities of all kinds focused on social change through user consciouness and action. Of course, her mail is in Spanish, but it basically asks what is this MiniDebConf about, how was my experience in it, what would be expected from them as the local organizing team, as a basis for them to discuss whether to adopt the project. And believe me, once the Rancherxs adopt a project... We have a high expectation of huge success :) Answering to Estrella's questions: My experience so far has been with the general DebConf organization; a MiniDebConf is focused by topic, geographic region, or similar criteria. In this case, the main focus of the MiniDebConf is (quoting): • Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk • Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing • Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. For this specific topic, I cannot say I have any experience, but I can suggest you visit the Barcelona 2014² or Bucharest 2015³ MiniDebConf sites. So, if this sticks, we are in for a *lot* of work. And I will be more than happy to work with you. ¹ http://ranchoelectronico.org/ ² http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org/ ³ http://bucharest2015.mini.debconf.org/ Estrella•°✫ dijo [Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 10:03:10PM -0600]: > Hola, > sabes, este martes en la reunión asamblearia sondeamos si nos apetece > producir el mini defconf y parece que sí hay ánimo, qué tal ¿lo sigues > considerando? Nosotrxs sí. > > La cosa es que queremos saber en qué consiste, cómo fue tu experiencia, > qué debemos de tomar en cuenta, qué es lo que esperas que suceda y > viajarnos para decirte lo que nos gustaría que sucediera a nosotrxs. > > Vienes este jueves al Ranchito, pero capaz que en esta oportunidad > podemos juntarnos y en lo que cargamos a los babys nos cuentas :) > > un abrazo > pub 4096R/0x26B7414A67B08A54 2013-10-27 Estrella S./ Caracol Azul > > sub 4096R/0x214EA477AA14A248 2013-10-27 [expires: 2017-09-29] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How do you know if the company where you're interviewing is women-in-tech friendly?
Esther Schindler dijo [Thu, May 10, 2018 at 04:16:33PM -0700]: > I’m thinking of writing a (hopefully both fun and useful) listicle > with advice from “women who have been there” for spotting companies > that really mean it when they say, “We want more geek women here.” > (...) > What should I include? And why would you consider that item a > heartening sign? I don't know if there is (or should be) a real difference between wanting "more women here" and wanting "more geek women here". I mean - I know your work, and I know the peculiarities and distortions our work field poses on us. However, laboral oppression is not exclusive to the "geeky" side. In my university, a protocol for handling abuse against women in the workplace was enacted maybe two years ago. I am part of the "inner council" of a smallish research institute in the university. Of course, it's a completely different issue mandating something and have it properly implemented. There was a recent complaint about a male worker who hit (seemingly jokingly) a woman. We got many complaints stating this person's behavior is recurrent (although we cannot _legally_ act on many of the things we were told, as they happened years ago and weren't followed through). Our Director explained to us that the appropriate administrative steps were taken, but the university's legislation makes it clear that the penalization at this stage should be between one and eight days on unpaid leave. Anyway - What I wanted to point towards: I knew about many of the details because I'm part of this Council. I think this kind of procedures and the reasoning behind their resolutions must be clearly communicated; violence over women is something for which we must push the culture to change. Making aggressions and consequences known might sound harsh and invasive for the aggressor, but it _has_ to be known (and it has to be known to be addressed) if we ever expect it to really stop.
Re: Women in Techfest
David Arroyo Menendez dijo [Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:44:20AM -0400]: > >From Techfest 2019 (Madrid, UC3M) a so interesting slides about the > history of women in computer science: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WSSVInoQtgUhKt1bflj_HmEL0YZnKhqP/view > > By Teresa de la Torre Very interesting slides, David. Thanks a lot for sharing - I re-shared them to my social circle :-)