Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> I'm pretty sure >> it's rare in Europe as well. > I thought restrictions or bans on campaigning on the actual *day* of the > election were fairly common in contintental Europe, actually. Well there exist such a ban in France at least. -- Rémi Vanicat
Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040325 00:25]: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:07:27 +0100, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Ji, I'm not entirly happy with this proposal. One change is a large > > change: Is all in Debian Software or not? This of course has impact > > on the whole document, but is a seperate issue from the wording. > I think so. When you talk about computers/Operating systems, > stuff is one of > a) Software, > b) Hardware, or > c) Wetware. > > Everything on a Debian CD is software, and must meet the DFSG. Well, if everything is software, than there is no need to remove the software of the different clauses. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C
Re: why a debian project leader?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:48:03AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision > > and perceptual apparatus. > > What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind > are my sense organs, and telescopes. ...an example of pompous prolixity of the Beardsleyan brand. I *told* you guys to get this off of -policy. Now git! -- G. Branden Robinson|Religion is regarded by the common Debian GNU/Linux |people as true, by the wise as [EMAIL PROTECTED] |false, and by the rulers as useful. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Lucius Annaeus Seneca signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > New text: > > > > 5. Works that do not meet our free software standards > [...] > > We encourage CD > > manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in these areas and > > determine if they can distribute the packages on their CDs. > ^^ > This "if" should be "whether". Either is appropriate. I would lean towards "if", personally. Don Armstrong -- There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more. -- Woody Allen http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 05:18:42PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:50:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > In Australia we have a 'blackout' on electronic media advertising > > for the three full days before an election. > > Umm. The link below tells us that there is a blackout, but not > the rationale for it. True. I searched both the legislation (at www.austlii.edu.au) and the Australian Broadcasting Authority's web site (www.aba.gov.au) and neither of them gives the rationale. The aec.gov.au page says that the limitation is in the Broadcasting Act, not the Elections Act. > the rationale for it. And why is the blackout limited to certain > media? There are a lot of parochial rules that are not necessarily > ones we ought to emulate (for example, I can't invite male caucasians > to a billiards parlor a week before polling starts, out where I live). I wasn't actually agreeing with the proposal, only giving precedent. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and > I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various > participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that > some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down > (a tiny amount). > > I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting > method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian > development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements > though. We just need to be civil. Do you have a written proposal for how exactly this would work? -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux |pound of antipasto, would they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |cancel out, leaving him still http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |hungry? -- Scott Adams signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down (a tiny amount). I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements though. We just need to be civil. I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> I'm pretty sure >> it's rare in Europe as well. > I thought restrictions or bans on campaigning on the actual *day* of the > election were fairly common in contintental Europe, actually. Well there exist such a ban in France at least. -- Rémi Vanicat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040325 00:25]: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:07:27 +0100, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Ji, I'm not entirly happy with this proposal. One change is a large > > change: Is all in Debian Software or not? This of course has impact > > on the whole document, but is a seperate issue from the wording. > I think so. When you talk about computers/Operating systems, > stuff is one of > a) Software, > b) Hardware, or > c) Wetware. > > Everything on a Debian CD is software, and must meet the DFSG. Well, if everything is software, than there is no need to remove the software of the different clauses. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why a debian project leader?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:48:03AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision > > and perceptual apparatus. > > What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind > are my sense organs, and telescopes. ...an example of pompous prolixity of the Beardsleyan brand. I *told* you guys to get this off of -policy. Now git! -- G. Branden Robinson|Religion is regarded by the common Debian GNU/Linux |people as true, by the wise as [EMAIL PROTECTED] |false, and by the rulers as useful. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |-- Lucius Annaeus Seneca signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > New text: > > > > 5. Works that do not meet our free software standards > [...] > > We encourage CD > > manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in these areas and > > determine if they can distribute the packages on their CDs. > ^^ > This "if" should be "whether". Either is appropriate. I would lean towards "if", personally. Don Armstrong -- There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more. -- Woody Allen http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: guidelines for post-campaign period?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 05:18:42PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:50:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > In Australia we have a 'blackout' on electronic media advertising > > for the three full days before an election. > > Umm. The link below tells us that there is a blackout, but not > the rationale for it. True. I searched both the legislation (at www.austlii.edu.au) and the Australian Broadcasting Authority's web site (www.aba.gov.au) and neither of them gives the rationale. The aec.gov.au page says that the limitation is in the Broadcasting Act, not the Elections Act. > the rationale for it. And why is the blackout limited to certain > media? There are a lot of parochial rules that are not necessarily > ones we ought to emulate (for example, I can't invite male caucasians > to a billiards parlor a week before polling starts, out where I live). I wasn't actually agreeing with the proposal, only giving precedent. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and > I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various > participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that > some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down > (a tiny amount). > > I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting > method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian > development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements > though. We just need to be civil. Do you have a written proposal for how exactly this would work? -- G. Branden Robinson|If a man ate a pound of pasta and a Debian GNU/Linux |pound of antipasto, would they [EMAIL PROTECTED] |cancel out, leaving him still http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |hungry? -- Scott Adams signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:34:35PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: Converting people to daily-digest mode is something that both Pascal and I talked about recently. Considering the amount of acrimony various participants have had, seen recently on debian-vote, and the fact that some of the public (and private) intervention managed to cool things down (a tiny amount). I think intervening and/or moving people to a daily-digest posting method will be worthwhile. I'd much prefer a kinder, gentler Debian development process -- that doesn't mean there can't be disagreements though. We just need to be civil. I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: GR: Editorial amendments to the social contract
* Nathanael Nerode ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040325 00:55]: > > Well, IMHO the old version is much nicer. The social contract _should_ > > in my opinion have some nice, not too technical start. A promise is a > > very good start, and I'd like to keep that there. > You have a point. Andrew's version is clearer, but less stylish. How about > this? Wouldn't it be good to have a stylish and clear text? In my opinion we shouldn't lose the stylish in trying to get a clearer text. (And, BTW, we don't have any real hard problem with the current text. But - the SC is more a "political" text then a real contract. Nobody could sue Debian for not following the SC, but the SC is one important part of Debians attractivity. > > In the second sentence, I'd like to keep the word "below", as the DFSG > > _are_ a part of the SC. > Today's debate over matters of total insignificance: Are the DFSG part of > the SC or are they a separate document? Why do people care, given that the > same modification rules apply to both of them if they're separate, and the > same importance is given to both of them? Why do people try to change this, if there is no need? Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC
Hi, I herby propose the following editorial changes to the SC, as alternative to Andrews proposal: | 1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software | | We promise to keep the Debian system and all its components entirely | free software. We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if | a work is "free" in the document entitled "The Debian Free Software | Guidelines" below. We will support our users who develop and run | non-free software on Debian, but we will never make the system depend | on an item of non-free software. | | 2. We Will Give Back To The Free Software Community | | When we create new components of the Debian system, we will license | them as free software. We will make the best system we can, so that | free works will be widely distributed and used. We will communicate | bug fixes, improvements, user requests, etc. to the "upstream" authors | of works included in our system. | | 3. We will not hide problems | | We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view at | all times. Reports that people file online will immediately become | visible to others. | | 4. Our priorities are our users and free software | | We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software | community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We | will support the needs of our users for operation in many different | kinds of computing environments. We will not object to non-free works | that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to charge a | fee to people who create or use such works. We will allow others to | create distributions containing both the Debian system and other | works, without any fee from us. In furtherance of these goals, we will | provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with no legal | restrictions that would prevent such uses of the system. | | 5. Works that do not meet our free software standards | | We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of works that do | not conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We have created | "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for these works. The | packages in these areas are not part of the Debian system, although | they have been configured for use with Debian. We encourage CD | manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in these areas and | determine if they can distribute the packages on their CDs. Thus, | although non-free works are not a part of Debian, we support their use | and provide infrastructure (such as our bug tracking system and | mailing lists) for non-free packages. Changes to Andrews proposal: 1.: More or less the current SC, with the second sentence replaced with the first sentence of Andrews proposal and added the word "below" to it. 2.: More or less the current SC; only replaced the word "write" with "create". 3.: keep the word "immediately" instead of "promptly" (as this is, at least in my opinion, easier to understand for non-native speakers). 4.: Same as Andrews proposal 5.: Same as Andrews proposal, except that in the last sentence the words "for non-free packages" have been moved to the end to prevent the mis-interpretation that the BTS is not free. Cheers, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ PGP 1024/89FB5CE5 DC F1 85 6D A6 45 9C 0F 3B BE F1 D0 C5 D1 D9 0C pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
