Re: ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz 
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:42:18PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.

Use a mailer that announces your preference, or cope with whatever
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Re: ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Matthew Wilcox 
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:44:51PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:42:18PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > 
> > if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.
> 
> Use a mailer that announces your preference, or cope with whatever
> people feel like doing, just like the rest of us.

Uh?  No followup-to header indicates you want to be cc'd in the rest of
the universe.  It's just debian that's broken.

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Re: Voting on voting systems amendment

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava 
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:30:37 -0500 (EST),
>> Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

 > I seem to recall that Manoj started a discussion period for the
 > voting fixes GR.  There seemed to be some discussion but no
 > significant proposed changes and the points raised during the
 > discussion seem from my standpoint to have been answered.  What
 > needs to happen now so we can actually vote on that GR?

Actually, looking over me records, I _talked_ about it, but
 never got around to actually formally starting the 2 week GR
 discussion period. I am away from my gpg key until Friday, but I'll
 be happy to start the discussion then, unless Raul or AJ want to do
 it now.

manoj

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Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava 
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:28:57 +0100,
>> Matthew Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

 > On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
 >> Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
 >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (which seems to have gone
 >> only to the list).

 > Well, that was fucking stupid.

 >> True, though I think even finding collisions on that timescale
 >> would be an accomplishment.

 > Let's try using some numbers.  An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128
 > bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision.  So
 > you need around 600 million samples per second to find one
 > collision in a year (assuming you're going for a brute-force attack
 > and you're not exploiting some of the weaknesses of md5).  Let's
 > assume your 3GHz processor takes 1000 cycles to calculate an md5sum
 > (I don't know what it really is.. a real number wouldn't hurt at
 > this point..), so it can do 3 million samples/s. 200 of them will
 > do it.

 > It's an accomplishment, but it's affordable.  Voters supplying a
 > salt makes it non-doable.

Right. And now make that collision be the login id of another
 debian developer who has voted the same way as the first developer.

Frankly, there are more important things to be done on devotee
 than protecting against such astronomical odds.

manoj

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ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Matthew Wilcox 

if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.

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ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Matthew Wilcox 

if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.

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Re: ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz 
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:42:18PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.

Use a mailer that announces your preference, or cope with whatever
people feel like doing, just like the rest of us.

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Re: ccing messages

2003-04-01 Thread Matthew Wilcox 
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:44:51PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 03:42:18PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > 
> > if you didn't cc me, you don't get a response.
> 
> Use a mailer that announces your preference, or cope with whatever
> people feel like doing, just like the rest of us.

Uh?  No followup-to header indicates you want to be cc'd in the rest of
the universe.  It's just debian that's broken.

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victory, it is about death.  I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies.
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Re: Voting on voting systems amendment

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava 
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:30:37 -0500 (EST),
>> Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

 > I seem to recall that Manoj started a discussion period for the
 > voting fixes GR.  There seemed to be some discussion but no
 > significant proposed changes and the points raised during the
 > discussion seem from my standpoint to have been answered.  What
 > needs to happen now so we can actually vote on that GR?

Actually, looking over me records, I _talked_ about it, but
 never got around to actually formally starting the 2 week GR
 discussion period. I am away from my gpg key until Friday, but I'll
 be happy to start the discussion then, unless Raul or AJ want to do
 it now.

manoj

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battle unless there be two. Seneca
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Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava 
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:28:57 +0100,
>> Matthew Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

 > On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:10:33PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
 >> Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
 >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (which seems to have gone
 >> only to the list).

 > Well, that was fucking stupid.

 >> True, though I think even finding collisions on that timescale
 >> would be an accomplishment.

 > Let's try using some numbers.  An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128
 > bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision.  So
 > you need around 600 million samples per second to find one
 > collision in a year (assuming you're going for a brute-force attack
 > and you're not exploiting some of the weaknesses of md5).  Let's
 > assume your 3GHz processor takes 1000 cycles to calculate an md5sum
 > (I don't know what it really is.. a real number wouldn't hurt at
 > this point..), so it can do 3 million samples/s. 200 of them will
 > do it.

 > It's an accomplishment, but it's affordable.  Voters supplying a
 > salt makes it non-doable.

Right. And now make that collision be the login id of another
 debian developer who has voted the same way as the first developer.

Frankly, there are more important things to be done on devotee
 than protecting against such astronomical odds.

manoj

-- 
Many changes of mind and mood; do not hesitate too long.
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