Re: nohup command
--- Olive Esseret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I knew this command but it does not works in all > case: try (in X) > nohup emacs& This works fine for me, and does what it is supposed to do. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automated script with login into x
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is there a script, which is triggered at this point? I use icewm with > kdm, > if that helps. You can create a ~/.xsession file. You don't say how you login to X. "startx" and "xdm" support it natively. "gdm" and "kdm" have to be coerced into using it. See the following page for details: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Expired passwords and Display Managers
--- Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I consider this to be a very bad thing. Why? This is exactly as it should be. It's a PAM issue which is only affected when one logs in via login(1). DMs have no concept of this. > Alternative Display Managers (not KDM or GDM please, I use neither)? login into the (gasp!) console, and use 'startx'. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stopping xserver from loading
--- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deinstall xdm, gdm and/or kdm, depending on which you've installed. echo false >> /etc/X11/default-display-manager Is probably "better". -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org <-----> Xfree
--- Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up > in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) Version Number Syndrome. This all too common condition occurs when the person involved assumes that highrt version numbers of programs must be good because they'll work "better". -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xserver
--- Giorgio Raccanelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BusID"PCI:1:0:0" You can quite happily comment this line out, as X will detect this for you. It's only ever useful if you have more than one card. Many people do not. Secondly, consider NOT posting your logs to the list, but providing a URL to them (at the worst case, a pastebin). -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org <-----> Xfree
--- Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that because of the Xorg/XFree86 issue, more and more people are saying that they *do* need Xorg, just because it is available. I bet you, you'd have made do quite happily with XFree86. :P -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: run levels 1 and S
--- martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any differences between the run-levels 1 and S? I know > that S10single is not executed for S, but init spawns sulogin > directly. Any functional differences? Other than what you have said above, no. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrom ownership being reset to root:disk upon reboot
--- "H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I change their permissions to root:cdrom and reboot, the permissions > again are set to root:disk. Remove 'discover'. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some questions from new debian user
--- Serge Matveev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I installed Debian testing (after about year timeout) and now I have > some questions: > > - Right after install gdm displayed self on my language (Russian), > but > after some additional packets (or upgrades) he lost this ability - > now > it displays self only in english. Where I can fix this? Sounds like a "locale" issue to me. "dpkf-reconfigure locales". > - How I can run linux_logo on all consoles? This method looks ugly > :-( > > cat /etc/issue >> /etc/issue.linuxlogo > cp /etc/issue.linuxlogo /etc/issue What linux logo is this? > - How I can setup font lookup order in X. If I have two fonts with > the > same alias (9x16 by example) - one with western symbols and other > - > with cyrrilic, how I can set "cyriilic" alias to be "main"? The order that the fonts are searched in is dependant on the order that the font lines are listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- change them around. > - setserial sets my internal modem speed to 9600 on every reboot. > How > I can fix this? My modem uses ttyS0 dpkg-reconfigure setserial -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maple 9.5 interfaces on Debian box
--- Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello List, > > I have just installed Maple 9.5(2) on my Sarge box: > 1] I have some trouble with the keyboard when I use the classical > interface > (Motif); You really need to add more information. Read that question back to yourself. There's nothing near the correct amount of information needed to answer it. Specifically you need to say *what* issues you are having with the Motif interface. Knowing your WM (Window Manager) would help, too. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User environment and gdm/xdm
--- Serge Matveev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a "debian way" to set up some user environment preferences > if I > log in with gdm? I mean %PATH, by example. This was hashed out many months ago here, with some (quite frankly) idiotic suggestions about changing the init sequence. By environment I assume you mean environment vars? In which case put them in "~/.bash_profile" and source it from within "~/.xsession" You can define "~/.xsession": -- #!/bin/sh #~/.xsession #source files: [ -f ~/.bash_profile ] && . ~/.bash_profile #Add any other programs you want to start here #in the form: # # program & # program2 & # Start the window manager exec /path/to/my/window/manager -- Then just: chmod 700 ~/.xsession That will then get read when you login via [gx]dm. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-file fails???
--- David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > player ddb# apt-file update > Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps > you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189. It seems you don't know what the BTS is [1]. The Bug Tracking System is useful when things like this happen. Look here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=229540 -- Thomas Adam [1] Whether you knew it existed or not is irrelevant. If you did, then you'd surely have looked there. = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dkpg --purge question..
--- Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I installed sylpheed-clasws using apt-get and want to remove it. > > # dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws You want: apt-get --purge remove sylpheed-claws -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More woes from earlier upgrade
--- Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/fr/man1/cups-config.1.gz', which is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287609 *sigh* -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More woes from earlier upgrade
--- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas, I can understand your sigh, but searching bugs.debian.org and > actually finding relevant material is not as easy for the uninitiated as :) Thanks, Kent. It's not so much the point that it's daunting (although I suppose this is true), but more the point that if one is running Unstable, the BTS should be the *first* "port of call". What would the OP done if the bug wasn't filed? Would he have submitted one? He might have. Would he have been able to fix it himself? Clearly not. A not unreasonable solution might have been: # dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/../package.deb ... if the bug was not listed. Of course, this raises the question whether the OP is "ready" for Unstable. The breakage in the above package is nothing serious -- not as serious as some of the other breakages, anyway. It's only a question of time before he's left lying on his back, legs twitching in the air. Don't take it personally, but this is the second time within the last few days where we (as in the sense of debian-user) have had to play the BTS-frontend, for an otherwise simple operation. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More woes from earlier upgrade
--- Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem you referenced is stated as being closed on 12/29/2004. It's > > occurring *NOW*. Have you done: apt-get update since then? -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More woes from earlier upgrade
--- Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > several times Is it possible then that you're using some mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list that have fallen by the wayside? I'd certainly check that. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can we define a Key Binding for mouse click in FVWM
--- BingYU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I use the hot key, It should just like Left Click of the mouse. I replied to you via the FVWM mailing-list, which is where this question ultimately belongs. > I googled a lot and find nothing. Again, see the 'FakeClick' command in 'man fvwm'. -- Thomas Adam "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing a program from source
--- Rhys Hardwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey there, > > I want to install a program from source. For example, I have > downloaded the > latest CVS snapshot of xmms to put my own patches onto. I know how > to > compile and install. Try this as a read: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/CompileFromSource -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quick chemistry drawings
--- Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey folks, > > what tools to people use to do quick drawing or modelling of > molecules/chemical reactions/etc? I have tried ghemical and find it [EMAIL PROTECTED] FvwmEvent]$ apt-cache search chemical chemeq - Parser for chemical formula and equilibria chemtool - Chemical structures drawing program xmakemol - A program for visualizing atomic and molecular systems xmakemol-gl - A program for visualizing atomic and molecular systems "chemtool" isn't too bad. -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Preventing apt from storing too much locally
--- Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can see a number of files in /var/cache/apt on each machine; is
> there a way to prevent as much as possible of this stuff from being
> cached?
man apt.conf
You're looking for:
Dir::Cache::archives
This contains references to pkgcache and srcpkgcache. You can turn
these off if you wish, in favour of using apt-proxy, or apt-cacher or
whatever.
But I'd be more inclined to run:
apt-get {auto,}clean
every so often.
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Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- Jeronimo Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 03:38:04PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Not so keen on KDE/GNOME because as I understand they are somewhat > > CPU-intensive and take longer to load than the traditional WMs. > > > > A personal recommendation of your favourite window manager would be > > much appreciated. > > openbox -- it's very small, fast and configurable. We get this question from time to time, and all the replies are usually meaningless, because of the biasedness in the reply. What would distinguish it, from Just Another Poll, would be the likely things you want from other WMs that your current DE/WM does not provide. That said, I personally use fvwm as my WM and have done so for a number of years. I don't need nor want the bloat and hideousness that GNOME and KDE seem hell-bent on running. But then they're DEs and not WMs. Perhaps the best place to look would be here: http://www.xwinman.org it has to be my most favourite website. -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Educate me: what's the difference? A Desktop Environment provides a full framework of integrated applications (such as a file manager, office applications, etc.) that all share the same theme. Often common options applied to one program, will affect the other components, because they're related. A Window Manager, on the other hand, does just that -- it manages windows. It doesn't dictate a file manager -- if you want one, you can use one. There's no interoperability or common functions shared between programs, like there is with DEs. It certainly provides a great deal more flexibility. So in that way, WMs are much faster, and most WMs are damn good at managing the windows mapped to them. -- Thomas Adam "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- Lee Braiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's debatable, actually. It could be argued that, since desktop > environments *do* share libraries etc, they reduce redundancy and > therefore > memory and load times. One could even argue that, since the code in Heh. When was the last time you tried to load KDE or GNOME? They take an absolute age, pulling in I don't know what -- and whats more, the case of KDE that loads a lot of libs for applications, whether you use them or not. But then, this discussion doesn't change the difference between a DE or a WM. -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- Simon Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does that mean that xfce4 is a good compromise then between both of > these concepts given you can install as many or as few of the > components > as you like once you have the basic libraries installed? ;) In that sense, then perhaps. But XFCE4's only good thing is that it has plenty of eye-candy. You can't do a thing with it other than that. -- Thomas Adam. "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- Simon Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > satisfies my requirements well. I wouldn't have put so much time > into > fixing up the packages for Debian if I didn't think it was useful. That's nice that you spend time on it -- and if it suits you, then all well and good. When I used it, it seemed to crash a lot, and offered not a lot in terms of focus or placement policies in comparsion to other WMs (and some DEs). But I can see why people like it. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never quite understood the > logic > behind requiring command line tools and text files to configure a > graphical > environment. No? See this: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html > Also calling XFCE a desktop environment is pushing it a little. No, it's the exact, and proper definition. -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oddly enough when you said "share a common theme" my first > reaction is > "that's a WM" as a WM controls the widgets on the application which > is part of > the theme. No, I meant it from an aesthetical point of view only. Umm, where did you get the idea that a WM controls the widgets on an application? That's not true. > So how does XFCE4 fail that test? Let's see, I have 3 file > managers to > choose from. XFFM, Konqueror, Nautilus. Those were configured > automagically. > I could add more if I like, just like a WM. Because XFCE4 has XFFM built into it -- that's the file manager that is used. Yes, you can use another one if you like, but that commonality between applications will then be lost. > BTW, when trying to rid myself of Windows earlier this year I was > using > Nautilus under KDE as installed by Ubuntu. Yes, that's your right to do so. > Actually I've found WMs lacking at managing windows. I consider > starting > a window with the desired application part of good management. > Configuring > that portion for most WMs is a PITA. The other portions they are Configuring that aspect is usually what makes the whole process fun, IMO. I am curious though which WMs you feel were "lacking" in that regard. I'd have said the issue isn't so much with the WM, as it might have been with the application, for reasons I won't bore you with. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Want to do the same with a "pure" WM. Step 1: open a CLI. Step > 2: enter > the command name. Step 3: close the CLI. Step 4: realize I forgot > &! at the > end of the command. Step 5: reopen CLI. Step 6: type in the command > name and > &!. Step 7: close CLI. Yup -- and therein lies the difference between the two. > Want to do the same with a "pure" WM. Step 1: open a CLI. Step > 2: CD to > the right directory. Step 2a: create it if it doesn't exist. Step > 3: Fire up > the editor on the right text file. Step 3a: create it if it doesn't > exist. > Step 4: try to find the right location for the menu. Step 5: Enter > the > configuration information in the proper format. Step 6: Save and > exit editor. > Step 7: exit CLI. Step 8, this is my faborite... RESTART THE WM SO > IT CAN > LOAD THE NEW CONFIGURATION! Step 9: Pray for no typos or redo 1-8. Sure -- but at least doing it that way means you yourself have defined how it is to operate, rather than relying on the existing operability of what's available. I have no doubt that right-clicking (or whatever) on XFCE's panel thing to add a new button is intuitive to some -- but so what? What if I didn't like that? What if I wanted to do it some other way? With a WM I would have to define all of these things myself (to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the WM) -- but the advantage is that I took the time to do it myself, so I _know_ how it works, and what to expect. > Yes, I am fully aware of the power behind text configuration. I > however > am not about to put on the blinders and say that all configuration > should be > done through text and that text is appropriate for all configuration. In certain circumstances I agree. > Basic > configuration should be provided in a simple manner. WMs don't do > that. Simple manner? That's subjective. > > No, it's the exact, and proper definition. > > And yet it performs hardly any of the fuctions attributed to DEs > like > KDE/GNOME or Winders. It still provides inherent look and feel across those applications that XFCE supports. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fact that when you shut down the WM without shutting down X > the window > border along with the close/minimize/maximize buttons (aka, the > widgets) > disappear? :P Those are window decorations that the WM defined, so of course they'd disappear -- but the widgets of the _application_ will still be there. The window decoration is part of the application. > Uh, no, it doesn't. XFFM is a separate application. XFFM can be I meant that in terms of it is still used and recognised by XFCE. > Hrm, which WMs did I use in the past? FVWM2, WM, BB, a few > others that > were supposed to be the kitty's titties but I uninstalled in about 5m > flat > because they were completely lacking. IceWM was one that I used for Completely lacking _how_? -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Such as? You're implying that there's something magical going on > without > giving specifics upon which to discuss. No, I'm merely stating that with most WMs, the emphasis is on yourself to define how things are to operate -- and that you yourself have the freedom to do so. > No. You know how it can be configured. Again, unless you're > digging in > the code, you don't know how it works. The point I am making is that Code? Oh, no. Just reading docs, examples, other people's configs, etc. > for a learning experience. Make it easy. If I need more than the > basic > application I can RTFM. It is your mentality which is why vi is so > rough for > people to learn up front even though IMHO a variant of vi(m) is one > of the > best damn editors out there and I use it religiously. Want to know > why? > *Because they made the easy things easy to find and learn.* The > harder > concepts I learn when I need to. That's a little harsh, isn't it? Especially to make assumptions about my "mentality". > D: in a manner which fits about 80% of my needs? Sure -- but it's still subjective. Which is not a bad thing, but it cannot be applied across the board. If that's what works for you, then that's nice. -- Thomas Adam. ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uhm, isn't that what I went into in my other message? Part of > managing a > window is being able to easily and readily configure opening/closing > windows > (and the applications in thos windows). Most fail spectacularly on > that > point. Ah, so you're referring to it from a configurable point, rather than something which wasn't possible, such as a lacking feature? OK. First off, "easily and readily" is still subjective. What's easy or readily so to you, might not be to me, or might not be to someone else -- so there's already certain levels of disagreement about that. But that's OK. One thing all WMs and DEs do that I have seen, is they try and provide a set of defaults -- that is they'll usually (through some means) make it known that if you click this button or that button, an action is performed. Whether that action is what you were expecting or not, depends. But like all good WMs, they can be changed -- as to how this happens, depends on the WM, and to an extent, depends upon how far one is prepared to dig to do it. -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then name one WM where I can press a button to add a menu item > without > having to resort to the intervening process of a CLI window, text > editor and > manual entry/formatting and I might be interested in it. Without > that, > however, which is all that I have tried thus far, it is lacking. Using fvwm-themes, you can. But that relies on you using the FvwmForm along with it. It's not an inherent part of the WM. But I personally don't see how it is "lacking" if you have to use a text editor to change a menu entry -- I see it as just another means to achieve the same goal. Just because that means might not be how you wanted, that is not lacking; the functionality still exists. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See, Thomas pointed to a web page where a WM's text file > configuration was > defended because it was too complex to represent graphically. Yet in > the > above we have 5 items. It's not that it's too complex -- it's just that *trying* to do so -- to be a comprehensive means would be a hinderance in the long-run. > Why does it NEED to be in text? If you haven't dug into fvwm (as an example), I can appreciate how you might think this so -- but there are a lot of aspects of fvwm that you just couldn't represent graphically. fvwm has hundreds of style options, and many focus policy hints. You can't enumerate these easily in such a way that the user could understand or know what they mean. Fvwm-themes does a good job at bridging this gap, mind. -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope. It's spot on. Forcing people to learn loads up front to No, I've said, it's just another means to configure something. If something is predominately a text-based configuration, then that can be just as intuitive as a graphical one, IMO. > I don't see it as subjective. What I presented was not > subjective, it was > objective. Several less steps. Less change for breakage. Tell me, > presuming > a bad default configuration which prevents access to a shell through > the X > session and using a thin client for connectivity how exactly is one > supposed > to effect changes to the configuration file when one can't access the > darned > thing to modify in the first place? Having a good portion of the Any editor will do at the console -- nano, jed, vim, emacs, etc. > configuration inside the application itself, readily accessible does > not > preclude text file configuration. If you think it does, go try > configuring I never said it did. -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pardon me if I don't believe you when you say that the miriad of > *graphical style options* can't be represented *graphically*. If > they > couldn't then they wouldn't exist, would they? This one of those things you'd realise, if you used the WM in question. Trying to explain it otherwise, is tricky. -- Thomas Adam ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The default configuration for shell access is munged and doesn't > work. > You're using a thin-client with only the X session to work with. How > do you > edit the text file when you can't get to it? That's not lacking? > The > functionality does not exist. It can be obtained through other means > but it > is like saying that vim has a spell checker because one can install > aspell and > use the vimspell plugin. This has nothing to do with what I'm talking to. If you can't get to it, none of the options would work -- simple. That's not something neither you or a WM could do anything about. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not true. To configure with a text file I have to know far more > than I > need to know with internal configuration. > > a: Where the configuration is located. True. > b: The format in which the configuration is expected. Which, if you're lucky is in some sort of human-readable form. > c: The possible potions the configuration file expects. Which, assuming b. is half-decent, you can usually ascertain. Although, granted, not always. > was presented to me in a simple dropdown. Granted this could be > imparted in > the configuration file through the use of comments but that makes > many > configuration files completely unwieldly. Squid's configuration file > is a > prime example for that. o.O Yes, but squid's config excells with the use of comments. It explains everything I needed to know -- giving both explanation and examples, where it was necessary. And the defaults are generally not too bad. Had the comments not been in the configuration file, I'd have had to read the manual -- something many wouldn't do, I'd imagine -- especially if they need to use or set it up quickly. So I thought the comments helped. Unweildly? Perhaps. > Sure are acting like it. Welcome to a text-based medium. Ambiguity, anyone? -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
--- "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incorrect. If the WM allowed the person to modify it's own > configuration > that is exactly something the WM could address. Well, the WM would save that data somewhere. If it can't reach it, at best, one would hope the WM fell back to some internal defaults. -- Thomas Adam. ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
le / Iconifiable, !Maximizable / Max- imizable, !AllowMaximizeFixedSize / AllowMaximizeFixedSize, IconOverride / NoIconOverride / NoActiveIconOverride, Depress- ableBorder / FirmBorder, MaxWindowSize, IconifyWindowGroups / IconifyWindowGroupsOff, ResizeOpaque / ResizeOutline, Backing- Store / BackingStoreOff / BackingStoreWindowDefault, Opacity / ParentalRelativity, SaveUnder / SaveUnderOff, WindowShadeShrinks / WindowShadeScrolls, WindowShadeSteps, WindowShadeAlwaysLazy / WindowShadeBusy / WindowShadeLazy, EWMHDonateIcon / EWMHDontDo- nateIcon, EWMHDonateMiniIcon / EWMHDontDonateMiniIcon, EWMHMini- IconOverride / EWMHNoMiniIconOverride, EWMHUseStackingOrderHints / EWMHIgnoreStackingOrderHints, EWMHIgnoreStateHints / EWMHUseS- tateHints, EWMHIgnoreStrutHints / EWMHUseStrutHints, EWMHMaxi- mizeIgnoreWorkingArea / EWMHMaximizeUseWorkingArea / EWMHMaxi- mizeUseDynamicWorkingArea, EWMHPlacementIgnoreWorkingArea/ EWMHPlacementUseWorkingArea EWMHPlacementUseDynamicWorkingArea, MoveByProgramMethod, Unmanaged, State. You could, I suppose place these on a form, one after the other and have a checkbox or something. But anyone can do that -- indeed, the original reference I cited to the fvwm config page, does say that doing this is counter-productive. You could place a textual description next to each option, but is that of any help? Not when you consider the intricacies of the various options listed above. The man page for fvwm goes into a lot of detail, that trying to represent on a form in this way, would not be that possible. I've tried it -- it's not that intuitive. You could argue that you could split the difference, and group various like components together (as Schniedermann would no doubt agree with) -- but the problem here is that often one function relies on another, not necessarily in the same group -- it would therefore be a visual nightmare. Then there's the problem of getting those style hints to apply to various windows -- do you just apply it to the currently selected window, or all windows? How do you represent that graphically, already, given the vast number of options possible. By graphically, I don't just mean a drop-down list, with a mass of text then appearing detailing the option. To depict anyone of those options would be quite a challenge. As a semi-example of a GUI disaster, just look at the program "xcolors". -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge - disk list?
--- Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > I'd like to do a fresh install of Sarge but obviously I don't need > to download all 14 cds. Is there a list or an index somewhere that > describes each cd? I can't seem to find anything. If you have a (fast) internet connection, most just download one of the following (depending on your needs): http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ ... the "netinst" iso comes with base -- whereas the business card one does not. -- Thomas Adam "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !
--- Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:15:23PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: > > apt-get is deprecated. > > Says who? For a distribution upgrade, maybe, but I wasn't aware > this was the case for day to day usage. It's by no means deprecated when you compare the weaknesses aptitude has over apt-get. But that has been discussed to death already. -- Thomas Adam ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Three short apt/dpkg questions
--- Charlie Zender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 1. Which package contains the man-pages for C-library functions like > sprintf()? manpages-dev > 2. Is there a way to ask the system which package owns a specific > installed file? dpkg -S file > 3. Is there a way to determine the name of the (non-installed) > package > which owns a particular (non-installed) filename? e.g., which package > > will install the file printf.1.gz? apt-get install apt-file && \ apt-file update && \ apt-file search -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse config
--- Mark Panen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I installed Sarge the other day on my laptop to try it out, quite > impressive only used 2 cd's and installed so many packages. > > Anyway my question is how does one configure a usb optical mouse as > that was the only thing that did not work, the touchpad worked. You should ensure that for your configured mouse in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that you're using "/dev/input/mice" as the correct Mouse location. Also, assuming you have everything picked up by hotplug, you'll want the "hid" kernel module running. -- Thomas Adam ___ Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome-control-center vs kde - side effects on font sizes
--- Alan Ezust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a brand-new install of Knoppix 3.9 with KDE 3.4. > I ran GAIM/firefox, the fonts were too small. > I ran gnome-control-center, and without changing any settings, just > entering > the font config, they were fixed. That's because the gnome application will start up 'gnome-settings-daemon' if it isn't started. -- Thomas Adam. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: screen scrolling
--- Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to attach a key to scroll screen without going into > copy mode > (C-a Esc) as I scroll a lot and its very annoying. Preferably if > there is a way > to attach it to the mouse wheel is even better. Can you provide some context with this? I assume based soley on the way the key-binding is written, that you're referring to some aspect of Emacs? -- Thomas Adam. ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serious problems after "apt-get dist-upgrade"
--- Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> choice I will go back to "dpkg -i" and laboriously cut
> and paste all the warnings and do it by hand.
The following command will reinstall all packages on your system:
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall
install
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Re: Latest X-Windows???
--- Robert Tilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the status of moving the latest X Windows into Debian? At least > into > the unstable branch? X windows? What's that? "man X" says: The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when refer- ring to this software: X X Window System X Version 11 X Window System, Version 11 X11 Furthermore: | xorg is probably an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /bin contents
--- Don Hayward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a package that contains the standard contents of the /bin > directory? I erred. 'coreutils' -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CONFIG_PARPORT_PC ??
--- "Mark D. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to determine if this is the case or not? grep -i parport /boot/config-$(uname -r) -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fork: resource unavailable
--- Nils-Erik Svangård <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > bash-3.00$ df > bash: fork: Resursen tillfälligt otillgänglig What does: ulimit -Su say? Also have a look in: /etc/security/limits.conf -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude: packages have been kept back?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can someone please explain why some packages might be "kept back", or > how I might find out? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=aptitude Enjoy. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headless Installation
--- Adi Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A 'kickstart' like install where a single CD installs a base system > with all parameters such as partitioning, network, etc pre-defined. You -could- (I stress could here) use 'fai', but I suspect that you'd consider that overkill on you part. Indeed, I'd agree. What you'd really want to do is use 'deboostrap' on the headless server. There's plenty of documentation on how to do this. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOW to move one window from one desktop to another?
--- gimmy tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just like solaris. If I told you to go and assemble a 20-ft greenhouse, and only gave you a hammer... do you think you could do it? I doubt it. Similarly, you have provided _nothing_ by way of information as to: * Which Window Manager/Desktop Environment you're using. * Which application you're using. If you can't manage this, then we're in trouble, as it makes trying to answer your question rather difficult. You can do it using -geometry, only if the application supports it. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) Does your mail provider give you a free online calendar? Yahoo! does. Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
--- Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? If apt-get is interrupted, it'll continue from where it left off. Note that you might find: "apt-get -d ", a more useful command if you're on dialup. > Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 > or something? Not by default. > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? Perfectly doable, if you're patient. I actually use the following to do it: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/apt-fetch = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: connecting computers
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I want to reach my office PC from home. Both the computers are window > xp. How fortunate that you should ask this question on a _Linux_ mailing list. > Advise me the softwares available to do that. Is it possible to use > Remote hosting for this purpose. Two tin-cans and a piece of string. Just make sure you shout loud enough; the commands into the can. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to configure apt to retrieve Packages.bz2?
--- Leif W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been building my own systems since early 1997, before bzip2 was in
> wide use, and I never had a machine which was too low spec to uncompress
> something that was compressed with bzip2 -9. For anyone who ever
It is not so much that, as it is .gz is supported on all Linux systems by
default. bzip2 requires explicit installation. Using .gz ensure it will
work regardless.
> actually read about bzip2, it onlyneedslike 4-8MB or something, it works
But that's like, totally.
> But it begs the question: at what point do you maintain backwards
> compaibility (as the default configuration) for obsolete equipment which
> most people are not likely to use? It further begs the question, why
> isn't the choice user-configurable during initial installation and setup
> or in an obvious way after setup? Why is there no mention of bzip2
> support for {Packages,Sources} in any of the example configs, or package
It also begs the question "who cares?" given that the size decrease would
be negligable.
[..snip egotistical bull..]
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Re: losing vc cursor
--- Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At times I lose my cursor in a vc. What do you mean "lose"? What happens? What are you doign at the VC usually before it disappears? Is there a pattern that you can see? Are you using framebuffers? > Is there a way to try to get it back? Not unless you supply much more information. Help us help you by actually *explaining* the problem. Unfortunately, my mind-reading capabilities are limited. > This is probably related to the fact that I use 2.6.7-Ruby multi-user > Linux. I'll ask there... 2.6.7-ruby multi-user linux? What's that? If it is a kernel version, I certainly have never heard of it. Although one thing you could try is pressing ^L at the console. But again, I can't be any more specific. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where are mistyped "name" logins stored?
--- William Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you accidentally type your password in the "name" field of a login, > where is the history of failed logins stored and how can I clear it? "lastb" is the program you want -- the file is /var/log/btmp - but don't just delete it unnecessarily. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sounds off in bash
--- Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In bash rather many time the speaker sounds. Unfortunately my speaker is > so loud I had to disconnect it. Since that isn't a permanent solution is > does anyone know how to disable any sound in bash? Console: setterm -blength 0 X: xset b off For the console you can add that to ~/.bash_profile For X, add it to ~/.xsession -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sounds off in bash
--- Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm starting X through startx so again I'm missing the .xsession . I > know there is a sample somewhere but I can't find it. http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sounds off in bash
--- Otto Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Creating the above .xsession files disables the default XFCE4 startup > and I get only an empty X screen. So what now? You want to have a file such as this: = #!/bin/sh #type any additional commands you want to launch here #Now launch the window manager xfce-mcs-manager xfwm4 --daemon xftaskbar4 & xfdesktop & exec xfce4-panel == Save that as ~/.xsession. chmod 700 ~/.xsession -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CAnt'reboot: "cannot open /mnt/etc/fstab: no such file"
--- Adam Felix Bogacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hdb: irqtimeout: status=0xd0 {Busy}
> ide0: reset: success
> ...
You could try passing the kernel parameter "nodma" at the grub/lilo
prompt, although I'd be much more inclined to say your disk is screwed.
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Re: Where is the key for the password files stored?
--- Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is the key used to decrypt the passwords (shadow) files stored? > I want to reinstall an old redhat system with debian, but I wish to > preserve old users and passwords to ease the transition process. You'll want to use pwunconv(8) to 'decode' the file and pwconv(8) to recode it again. Be *very* careful that you don't clash any UIDs. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: squid async-io with debian-unstable problem
--- Ling-En Kao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there something I omitted? I don't see what your problem is. That's the default behaviour for squid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] n6tadam]$ ps auxH | grep [s]quid root 1316 0.0 0.8 4184 508 ?Ss Oct16 0:00 /usr/sbin/squid -D -sYC proxy 1318 0.5 23.3 18592 14532 ? SOct16 80:26 (squid) -D -sYC -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xserver-xfree86 managing different settings
--- Scotty Fitzgerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't be the first person to want to do this, so how do I do this? apt-get install gvidm -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: oddity with find -exec grep -i
--- Chris Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> #!/bin/bash
> /usr/bin/find /usr/lib/ecartis/lists/ -name users -print \
> -exec grep --ignore-case "$1" {} \; | grep -B 1 "$1"
Odd, it works fine for me. Are you sure there is no other factor?
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Re: mounting a local directory over another directory
--- Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > possible (I seem to recall seeing an option for this somewhere but not > sure about it and I can't find it). mount --bind -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Save/restore ALSA mixer settings
--- David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What two calls should I put in here to get the mixer setting saved and > restored? alsactl store alsactl restore -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Save/restore ALSA mixer settings
--- David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't work. Can you be any less specific? Please give details, about *what* didn't work, expected outcomes, any errors produced, etc. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting rid of "rc" packages
--- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What's the best way to remove Remove Config-file packages?
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge
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Re: Getting rid of "rc" packages
--- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 11:03:30PM +0000, Thomas Adam wrote:
> > --- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > What's the best way to remove Remove Config-file packages?
> >
> > COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge
>
> Jeez. Save yourself that pain and just run aptitude, move the cursor to
> "--- Not Installed Packages" and type '_' followed by 'g'.
>
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Re: bash_logout & xsession help needed
--- Michael Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have this simple .xsession > but when I logout of gnome the file isn't created. Can anyone explain > this > behaviour? This was discussed this month on the list. See here, and follow-up posts: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/10/msg02163.html -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: number of files in directory?
--- Lance Hoffmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I get a count of the number of files in a directory? > directory + subdirectoies? Crudely: ls -1 | wc -l (note the "-1" option to 'ls' is hyphen-one, NOT lower-case L, which is what the option to 'wc' is). -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ignoring dependencies
--- Filip Moritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, is there any means to apt-get install A, ignoring it's alleged > dependencies to B and C, not affecting it's remaining deps? Doing so is a really stupid idea, since the dependencies are there to ensure that the intended package you install will work. If it is the case that youhave versions of packages B and C that are already installed, you could use 'equivs', but I don't think it will help you here. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adobe Acrobat Reader
--- "Pedro M (Morphix User)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is this what you're currently using? > Why I click in the script (*.sh )I recieve an error message. What is this error message? > I suggest include the tarbar in the Debian packages, in a similar way to No can do -- the license of AAR is such that it cannot be shipped with Debian officially. You could use xpdf instead. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scripting
--- Silvan Villiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've started to learn scripting in linux. But I have some troubles > understandig the redirection of the streams. I tried to test whether a > directory already exists using the ls command (didn't find a bether > solution) and whenever ls doesn't find such a directory it writes an [ -d /some/directory ] && echo "directory exists" >&2 || echo "nope. does not exist" >&2 Which will echo the reply to stderr. > Another example I had, was when I tried to compile a latex-file in a > script. How can i prevent it from writing compiling-informations to the > shell which started the script? thescript 2> /dev/null would redirect all errors to the bit-bucket. If you wanted to blank the entire lot: thescript > /dev/null 2>&1 (or, if you don't care for portability, the command above is the same as: thescript &> /dev/null ) HTH, -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: when sarge will be released?
--- RituRaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any approx dates? When it's ready. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mcopy not removing the "^M" character
--- Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just for the heck of it, try using just t or a instead of both options > (maybe it's brain dead and does one followed by the other, undoing > itself... ?) If the intended target audience is for Windows users, I would actually change all the files to DOS format. There's many, many ways you can do this. I happen to use a nice program called "flip" (which is apt-gettable). You use it thus: flip -m *.txt Which will convert all .txt files to msdos CR/LFs. That way, when they're burnt to CD, it'll all be Just Fine (tm). :) -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XMMS: playing CDROM through software, no cable link
--- Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a CDROM drive but I am unable to connect the CDROM drive > directly to the soundcard, unfortunately. Surely there is a way for > me to read the audio disc in software and play it with something like > XMMS? And if so, does anyone know how? xmms -> preferences -> Audio I/O Plugins -> CD Audio Player (doube click on that). Ensure the "digital audio extraction" box is pressed in. That's it. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to debug a random freezing problem?
--- Adam Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Ubuntu[1] (Debian w/ 2.6.8 kernel) on my Toshiba Satellite They have their own mailing-list. > find out the temperature in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature > when it freezes, and it's usually around 66C, which is actually OK, > isn't it? Maybe. I had this once, and it turned out that the CPU generated so much heat that the memory modules didn't like it, and so everything either segfaulted, or a total lockup like the one you describe, occured. 66C is a little warm. I would have a look at your memory chips, identify them, google for the specs, and compare their heat tolerant levels against the temperature the CPU is at. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redirecting stdout and stderr into a file
--- Blake Swadling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > grep 2>&1 logfile grep 'whatever' > ./file 2>&1 is what you meant. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help: Sarge+KDE terribly slow!?
--- Mirek Stefanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But one day I decided to upgrade to Sarge - after one day battle it was > done. Now I have to wait about 10 minutes to start KDE desktop, and This is normal for KDE. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt .v. aptitude (was Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Another top-poster. Don't do it, please ] > So, is the consensus to stick with 'apt'? Or at least to choose one and > stick with that and not to mix apt and aptitude (it sounds to me as > though > Marc is saying if you mix you'll end up with 2 out of date lists of what > has/hasn't been inst-ed) In theory, what was meant to happen, was that apt and aptitude could work together, interchangeably to support how each other works. This of course never happened, with the aptitude development team deciding that it would be a good idea to do things Their Way(tm). I can see no advantages to using aptitude over apt-get. If you think it is for the removal of packages, then you're mistaken -- debfoster is far "better" at it, IMO. If you also think it is because aptitude is better because it has a nice ncurses interface, then you are probably using it wrong. :) I also find the fact that aptitude's difference on the CL to the ncurses interface to be worrying at best. I'm sticking with apt-get. At least until the bugs for aptitude are reduced... -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt .v. aptitude (was Re: how to remove exim4 without removing mysql-server?)
--- Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:21:54 +0000 (GMT), Thomas Adam > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I can see no advantages to using aptitude over apt-get. > > If I'm not mistaken, d-i uses aptitude (or maybe its a cut-down fork > or something). If a user installs using the new d-i, opts for manual > package configuration, is it impossible to avoid using aptitude? Who cares? Although, if aptitude is being used as a "replacement" for apt-get, a bug report should be filed against it. Making those sorts of descisions are best left to the user. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find the program supervgatextmode
--- Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The subject line says it all, I did apt-get install supervgatextmode, > nothing. Then I did apt-cache search supervgatextmode, nothing. I > found nothing on google except references to it on email lists and no > links to source, debs, docs, etc with further info on this program. Really? How far did you look? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ apt-cache search svgatextmode lg-issue21 - Issue 21 of the Linux Gazette. svgatextmode - Enable higher resolution text modes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ dpkg -L svgatextmode [...] /usr/sbin/set80 /usr/sbin/ClockProg /usr/sbin/STM_reset -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCP GUI
--- Christian Christmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > are there any SCP GUI clients for Sarge? xterm -e "scp ." :) gftp can be coaxed into using ssh2 as one of its supported protocols, so I would imagine that can do it, at least. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCP GUI
--- Pascal Bonesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > How about konqueror with the fish:// or nautilus with sftp:// protocoll? > > Or am I mistaken? Isn't that going through ssh and using scp? Sort of. Fish is a filesystem via ssh. Although for such things, I prefer using "shfs". -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange error message when trying to upgrade
--- "Rodney D. Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any idea how to correct this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=281601 -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl/Webmin/CPAN/ question (LONG)
--- John Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey group. This is the situation. I have a Debian SID installation. I It's "Sid". Not "SID". Debian Sid is not an acronymn. There is no need to write it in this way using capital letters. [..snip..] > NOT want that. I need to keep the two installations completely separate. > Any > ideas, critiques, etc are welcome. Use "equivs" to trick the system into thinking you have the perl package installed. This will allow you to install other packages that might depend on the perl package, allowing you to have your version installed. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get: how to circumvent automatic removal
--- Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 10:53:08PM +0200, Daniel Klein wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how do I tell apt-get "I want to install this ftp server, but please > > don't delete the old one I have running"? Use: dpkg --force-conflicts > There may be some way to do this. It may be in the debian 'alternatives' Debian 'alternatives' has nothing to do with the installation of a package. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Both apache and apache2 (sarge) ?
--- Kenneth Jacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any comments, suggestions, and/or help is appreciated! Either: Try and use 'equivs' for this, or: dpkg --force-depends and in the latter case, on your head be it should anything break. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stopping resolution switching with xdm, gdm etc.
--- Roy Pluschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from resetting the display resolution as it goes from the login screen It doesn't reset the display resolution. > to the > persons desktop and back. On my box it shows a jumbled graphics screen > in > between switches and look rather unproffesional -- whats worse is that What you're describing here is what is still stored in the graphics-card RAM before it is flushed. It happens on *everyone's* machine. > it > occasionally hangs the system (1 out of 50 times). That's because the DM is respawned, as it is initially killed when you logout. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with apt
--- Jonas Jasas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After I added to my source.list > deb http://mars.iti.pk.edu.pl/~jakub/dist/sarge ./ and tryed to install I bet you didn't: # apt-get update which is what you should do after adding a line to /etc/apt/sources.list > gimp 2.0 I am getting: > > stekas:/var/cache# apt-get -f install ^^ You only need to do that if there are dependency issues beforehand. You clearly have an issue with perms, although why this should be as root, I don't know. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem installing debian
--- Ephraim Stanfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm new to Debian and Linux. I purchased the Debian > GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger that came with 1 CD > with Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r2 edition. That's quite old now. > I have a Dell Inspiron 8100 and tried to install > Debian with the CD. It seems the kernel freezes up I'm not surprised. That kernel version lacks support for new hardware. I suggest you download the new beta4 installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-netinst.iso burn that to a CD, and install it that way. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing from testing to unstable.
--- Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To change from testing to unstable, is is as simple as > s/testing/unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list, `apt-get update` and > `apt-get upgrade` (or do I need to use dist-upgrade for this)? Basically, yes. "dist-upgrade" implies "upgrade", but more importantly a dist-upgrade installs dependant packages external to those not already installed, which an upgrade does not (see the manpage for apt-get). > If I have problems with a package from unstable and want to revert to a > lower-numbered version, how would I do so? Generally you don't -- you wait for the bug to be fixed. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: detaching a process from an ssh session ??
--- Lorenzo Prince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > # and I get no output/ processes - and the CPU should be maxed out but > # it's on zero; I'm guessing the process must have been killed. Often it is desirable to do something like: % process ^Z % bg % disown $! It's the disown that'll keep it alive if the controlling terminal disappears (note that 'nohup' might be a more acceptable alternative, if you have issues with using shell builtins): nohup > Try running it through screen instead: (this is another alternative) -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing from testing to unstable.
--- Ricky Clarkson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:07:10 +0100 (BST), Thomas Adam > > Generally you don't -- you wait for the bug to be fixed. > > If you have appropriate source lines you can do apt-get install > thepackage/testing or apt-get install thepackage/stable (synonymous with: apt-get -t install > You might also want to get a particular package from > archive.debian.org and use dpkg -i thepackage.deb if the testing or > stable packages are too old for you. Of course if this route is chosen, you *must* ensure that you put the installed package on hold. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Flow Charts
--- Jason A Whittle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to create a large number of small, simple flow charts. I > looked at XFig, but ideally I would like to enter all of the > relationships > and then generate the diagrams for various formats. Following up on the > TeX thread, would this be an appropriate application of LaTex? I would use "dia" to do this. -- Thomas Adam = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
