Re: Need help recovering from 'experiment' in firefox

2013-12-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On 1 Dec 2013 19:32, "Paul E Condon"  wrote:

> And I cannot open the 'about:blank' page
> manually. I have all my bookmarkes sites and can use firefox to access
> the sites I want, but ---
>
> I know I have used 'about:blank' in the past when I had other problems
> with firefox and I was told to go to 'about:blank' and tweek something
> to get things working again.

Hello Paul,
I suppose you want to access 'about:config', NOT 'about:blank', to access
advanced iceweasel/firefox settings.

Cheers,
Simon


Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-05 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hello Harry,

On 05/10/14 18:01, Harry Putnam wrote:
> when running `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'  I've run accross a few
> of the questions that are confusing to me... 
> 
> The current one I'm stumbling over is 
> 
> 1)  A question about listing of host IPs the smtp listener will
> listen for...
All the hosts listed here will be able to send mails to your server.
> 
> And then later on there is
> 2) A question about which hosts your server will relay for.
> 
All the hosts listed here will be able to send any mail via your server
to a remote host, your server is not the destination for the mail.

You should leave the relay-list empty unless you really know what you
are doing. Mail to remote hosts should generally only be processed for
users that have authenticated to your SMTP-server.

Hope I could help,
Simon



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Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-05 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On 05/10/14 19:26, Simon Hollenbach wrote:
>> 1)  A question about listing of host IPs the smtp listener will
>> listen for...
> All the hosts listed here will be able to send mails to your server.
Sorry, Brian is right.  I think the config option you refer to is:
"IP-addresses to listen on for incoming connections"
^^
And this just lists the IPs exim4 will listen on for incoming smtp
connections. If you have multiple IPs for your server, you could specify
only one...

Sorry for the confustion,
Simon


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Re: iceweasel "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt"

2014-10-27 Thread Simon Hollenbach

On 27/10/14 07:18, Bob Holtzman wrote:

Uhh, maybe look yet again. Mine says 24.6.0. To make sure I just ran
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade with no change to browser or system.


I suggest to everyone wanting to know the available versions of some 
Debian package using .


For iceweasel in all suites:


Bye,
Simon


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Re: WLAN router doesn't provide fix IP addresses

2014-10-31 Thread Simon Hollenbach

Hello,

On 31/10/14 09:45, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 09:28:33AM +0100, B. M. wrote:

Hi list,

I have a problem with my (w)lan setup.  We use telephone and
internet over the cable network and the company gives us a wlan
modem for free. Unfortunately this modem doesn't allow me to specify
fix IPs in the internal network for all of our machines.


Well - even if it doesn't, surely it allows you to specify which
*range* of IP addresses should be used for DHCP?

There is nothing wrong with configuring a server with a fixed IP
address (=not use DHCP client), as long as you use the correct
network, netmask and default gateway.

That seems the way to go to me.

Nevertheless I setup an owncloud server on one machine (which is
somehow our "server" but not always running), including SSL
encryption with a self-signed certificate for its IP address. That
worked well for a couple of months because the IP addresses didn't
change (although they were not fixed).

Now due to a technical problem our modem got replaced all of the IP
addresses changed. (I did expect that for sometime in the
future... but not so early...)

Since it's impossible to manually define the IP addresses, I've a
problem. Of course I could create a new certificate, put it on all
other machines and adjust all settings (owncloud server address...);
but that's quite an hassle.


Do the machines use avahi (or mdns? I'm actually not sure of the name,
but having libnss-mdns installed and "mdns4" mentioned in
/etc/nsswitch.conf would indicate so).


A quick research suggests you need avahi-daemon for propagation of 
.local-domains, e.g. for machines that need to be discovered, and 
libnss-mdns for discovery of the former.


For the name, the description of libnss-mdns says:
"Multicast DNS (using Zeroconf, aka Apple Bonjour / Apple Rendezvous )"
It seems to have many names.


If so, you should be able to use "${hostname}.local" instead of an IP
address, and the multicast DNS resolution would sort things out.


So I wanted to ask if there are other possibilities? I can define
one or two DNS server in the modem's config. Would it work to setup
my main machine (which is not always running) as an internal DNS
server and use the hostnames instead of the IP addresses?


That is also a possibility. But if it is only for facilitating a
single server, then it's overkill.  And it adds a single point of
failure too: you would not be able to resolve IP addresses while the
machine is down.


Maybe I'm mistaken, but wouldn't this just shift the problem to the 
internal DNS? It will still need a static IP or mDNS. Adding to that, it 
would need to be the only DNS in the router's config, as you cannot 
guarantee which one the router will use otherwise and the owncloud 
server wouldn't be discoverable via the second(public) DNS. And having 
your only DNS on a machine "which is not always running" seems a bad idea.



If you already own/run a domain, you can also add a A record in the
DNS for this to point to it - e.g. "owncloud.example.com IN A
192.168.0.45".


That would need dynamic DNS if the IP is still obtained via DHCP. And 
having a public DNS propagating a private IP will make reverse lookups 
impossible, I think. Correct my if I'm wrong.


Using an entry in /etc/hosts is also an option.


This seems the way to make the machine discoverable by name, but would 
still need a fixed IP for the owncloud server.


Summarizing, mDNS generally seems to be the easiest way. But if you use 
a static IP for your owncloud server you will need to change less with 
your current setup, it seems.


Best wishes,
Simon


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Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach

Sent this to Pierre's private mail first. Sorry.

Hi Pierre,

you might want to dig further into this, as I can't see how a developer 
could fix the error you are experiencing without more information. Have 
you tried chrooting into the unbootable system from an install cd's 
rescue mode? Is there anything suspicious in the logs?


When exactly does the boot-up stall? You don't even see the GRUB menu, 
do you?


Have you tried with another boot loader? Last time I installed, LILO was 
still available for selection from expert install iirc. If the system 
boots with LILO, you would have narrowed down the problem quite a bit.


If you do get to GRUB but booting fails afterwards, you can try adding 
debug flags to your kernel options, see:
 This link is for 
Arch, so be careful, not every last bit also applies to Debian, but it 
was the most comprehensive guide I could find now.


Again, I don't think filing a bug without any info but "it doesn't work" 
will get your problem solved.


Good luck,
Simon



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Re: boot fails on jessie on Acer Travelmate

2014-12-03 Thread Simon Hollenbach

Hi again,

On 03/12/14 08:56, Pierre Couderc wrote:

Le 03/12/2014 07:58, Simon Hollenbach a écrit :

you might want to dig further into this,

Mmm, what is my other choice ? W8 ?  Ubuntu ?
I was talking about reporting a bug when you don't know what's wrong. 
But indeed, there are other choices if you want them, I don't, right 
now, and as we are talking about this on a Debian support list, 
discussing them here would be imho inappropriate anyway.



as I can't see how a developer could fix the error you are
experiencing without more information.

But I am ready to spend hours to fix that !
Wht is needed ?
Further information. But what you provided in your other mail, the 
partition layout, seems to be a good start, maybe even enough to solve 
your problem, not the installer's/GRUB's. I'll come back to that.



When exactly does the boot-up stall? You don't even see the GRUB menu,
do you?

I am not sure what is the grub menu, but if it is the blue menu asking
which debian version to load. I do not arrive there.
It isn't blue any more at my place, it's skinned with a Debian logo aso, 
but yes, the menu that lets you select a boot-mode/kernel/os . It starts 
with "GRUB loading..." and then "Welcome to GRUB" iirc, followed by 
aforementioned menu.



In fact, it seems  to me that the disk is not read, but it tries to net
boot.

Why do you think it tries to boot from a network?


Have you tried with another boot loader? Last time I installed, LILO
was still available for selection from expert install iirc. If the
system boots with LILO, you would have narrowed down the problem quite
a bit.

No, sorry, I am not enough expert. If this is a regression in GRUB, it
must be solved, one way or another.
Debian wheezy works fine on this computer. Jessie has worked too, but no
more today.
I don't consider myself an expert either, the "expert install" just asks 
more stuff, explained very well imo. Maybe just try it next time you 
install or on a spare machine.



Again, I don't think filing a bug without any info but "it doesn't
work" will get your problem solved.


I am not able to find the bug myself. I am ready to spend hours to fix
it, but I need the help of someone to tell me where to  search...
I think we got a differing understanding here. I think you just 
encountered a bug, or you did something really stupid, which shouldn't 
happen if you sanely try to install Debian. We got to describe the bug 
now, so it can be fixed.


Now my solution attempt, it worked for me once (but like 3 years ago)

On 03/12/14 11:19, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> One big difference is that after jessie installation boot flag has
> disappeared : gpt :
>
> wheezy :

> Number  Start   EndSizeFile system Name  Flags
>   1  1049kB  512MB  511MB   fat32 boot

> jessie :
> Number  Start   EndSizeFile system Name  Flags
>   1  1049kB  538MB  537MB   fat32
Why don't you toggle the bootable-flag on your /boot-partition by hand? 
It happened to me that this was the only thing that was wrong after 
installing. I did it with fdisk, run it from a rescue CD, specifying 
your disk /dev/sda as parameter:

# fdisk /dev/sda
Then, you hit [p] to print the partition table of sda, start counting 
from 0 until you find your boot partition, it should be 0, according to 
the gpt output. Then hit [b] to toggle the bootable flag on a partition 
and select the partition you just identified as your /boot-partition.


Finally, write the changes to disk with [w], which also exits fdisk. 
Then reboot and, if you want, cross your fingers...


Cheers,
Simon


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Re: exchange like alternative

2012-12-07 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:34:13 +0100
Olivier BATARD  wrote:

> That's a great idea I'll write a tutorial about that.

Hello Olivier,
If you write a tutorial about your groupware-like setup, I would really
appreciate a follow-up to this thread from you, providing me/us with a
link to said howto.

Thanks,
Simon


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Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On 12/06/2014 21:39, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Matthias Großmann wrote:
>> after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy
>> on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its
>> signature:
> [...]
>> I would expect everything required to verify packages in wheezy to be
>> included in wheezy, so I guess this is a bug. Or am I missing something?
>
> The keyring in stable is almost never updated, while the keys that are
> used by developers to sign packages are often updated in the time
> between the freezing of stable and now.
>
> You can either download the newest version of the keyring, or you can
> use keyring.debian.org.

Hi,
thanks for explaining this.
I am asking myself why the updated debian-keyring package is not
available from wheezy-backports repository. Can someone shed some light
on this?

Regards,
Simon


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Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
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On 13/06/2014 12:44, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 13 iun 14, 12:07:00, Simon Hollenbach wrote:
>> I am asking myself why the updated debian-keyring package is not 
>> available from wheezy-backports repository. Can someone shed some
>> light on this?
> 
> I'd say such an update rather qualifies for stable-updates, not 
> backports, but in any case the answer is "because nobody is doing
> it" (yet?). You might want to file a wishlist bug against the
debian-keyring
> package, see what the Maintainers think about it.

I just filed a wishlist bug for this:
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751480
I felt like not needing to explain the request in great lengths, if
anyone of you can contribute further information, I would really
appreciate it.

This was just my third(?!) bug report, so I didn't feel really
confident while doing this, but it's fine, I guess.

Regards,
Simon

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Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
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On 13/06/2014 14:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 13 iun 14, 14:10:12, Simon Hollenbach wrote:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751480
> 
> I think it would help if you would mention exactly the issues you 
> had with the package in stable (i.e. the reason an update would be 
> useful).

So something like:
"Integrity/authenticity of linux_3.2.57-3+deb7u2.dsc could not be
verified because of missing key, RSA ID 1343CF44, in d-k."
?

I would have thought that my statement on
  $ dpkg-source -x linux[...]
failing to verify the package tells the same story, but will append
further information to the bug report.

Regards,
Simon

P.S. Andrei, please apologize that I first sent this mail off-list.
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(Re-)Mounting random crypto disk - how to create file system?

2013-03-18 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hello.
I set up an encrypted partition with randomly regenerated password that I
want to mount at /tmp with some older(6w) wheezy netinstall.
Apparently I need to create a file system there before mounting on every
boot, don't I?

I wrote myself a little mount script, that:
Tries to mount ("mount /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt /tmp" )
Failing:ensures umount, calls mkfs.ext3 and retries mount without failure
check.

I plan on running this while booting, but don't know at which runlevel.
Help?

But I am now asking myself if I need it or if I overlook some handy option
with mtab or cryptsetup or..? Any input is highly appreciated, thanks for
reading.

Kind Regards,
Simon


Re: Debian was hacked: The Canterbury Distribution

2011-04-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
 wrote:
>
> It's neither a hack nor a joke.  See our announcement at
> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401
>
In my eyes that's the only thing you cant do on 1st April, state that
your prank aint one. Followed up by a "Head of Executive Worldwide" or
something.. Or did you really believe it was valid? Which still
wouldn't excuse you acting like you knew.

JMTC
Regards
Simon


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Re: iceweasel 4 process not closing on exit

2011-04-02 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 3:44 PM, L V Gandhi  wrote:
> When ever I close iceweasel 4 in squeeze, process is not closing.
> Hence if I restart iceweasel, it says process is running, first close
> running process.
> I saw from ps -ax as follows
> 2111 ?    Rl 1:41 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin --sm-config-prefix
> /firefox-bin-c5rQTp/ --sm-client-id 10cddfd6
> How to solve it ie to get the process closed when program is exited from its
> file menu or window is closed?
> --
> L V Gandhi

Hi Gandhi,
how long do you wait before you try to restart iceweasel? I know that
behaviour when just exiting for some reason and promptly wanting to
launch the application again. Happens with iceweasel and firefox, on
various linux distros as well as ms-software.

Regards
Simon


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Re: Grub not seeing my root did

2015-08-12 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hi,
On 12/08/15 03:46, Herminio Hernandez Jr.  wrote:
> I just installed Debian on my MacBook Pro and now it cannot see my
> root to boot from. On the live CD and manually set the boot flag on
> the partition but still no go. Has anyone ran into this before?
How did you install Debian? What version/... of Debian did you install?
Be specific, opt for telling more than less if in doubt.
What is the exact model of your laptop? Can you maybe give us hardware
specification? Are you using "SecureBoot"?
What boot loader are you using? If you use grub2(the default), where did
you install grub2? Are there operation systems other than Debian
installed to your laptop right now?

Don't think people here are unhelpful, you asked for help without caring
to disclose the information needed to do so. Please follow the
guidelines of this mailing list when using it.

To help you, assuming you didn't reinstall grub when booting from the
install CD in rescue mode (I think that's what you did):
You probably just need to run rescue mode chrooted into your installed
root partation and run:
(assuming /dev/sda is the disk you installed Debian to you want GRUB to
take over the Master Boot Record of this disk (You want GRUB to manage
booting).)
# update-grub
# grub-install /dev/sda

Afterwards, reboot to hd and voilà.

Ciao,
Simon



Re: o/t ipod

2010-12-26 Thread Simon Hollenbach
ol- Original message -
> My son has bought me an ipodtouch for Xmas..Anyone tell me how I can
> transfer the music files on his ipod to mine ?..I only have Linux on my
> machines but can get access to a Winbox at a neighbours...

Hi Ted,
i dont know if u use KDE and neither do i know if it was an iPod touch 2G, I 
assume both in this post.

U can use amarok.
http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod

as u can see from the compatibility list there, it doesnt work our of the box 
for the newer ones, but there seem to be workarounds as:
http://unusedcycles.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/amarok-14-sync-with-ipod-touch-2g-in-linux/

Greets
Simon

P.S. Gtkpod, as mentioned before, is worth a try too and may be less of a pain 
to get to run.

Unlock multiple partitions at once on boot-up

2010-12-29 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hello list,
I recently set up a system/squeeze I wanna use as a gateway. For various 
reasons I decided to go for crypto-drives. Since I split up my hdd and 
configured mdadm-raid1, I ended up with multiple partitions for which I 
provided the same key. On bootup I now gotta prove that Im able to type the 
pass five times, I think, without flaw.
What I would need is either a place to tell that the same phrase is to be used 
to unlock them all or a scripting approach that repeats the entered string for 
all drives.
Sometimes I think this is an unfortunate setup, I should have encrypted a 
single volume, then raid1 on it and afterwards some virtual partitions via 
mdadm. Comments on that are highly appreciated since Im new to these hdd 
charms... :)

Have a nice day
Simon

Re: Unlock multiple partitions at once on boot-up

2010-12-29 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Sorry, hit send to fast. Why doesnt the N900 support mailing lists in a better 
way :( ?...--- Begin Message ---
- Original message -
> I once saw a solution in which one partition was first unlocked with a   
> passphrase, and then all other ones were unlocked with key files   
> stored in that first partition. You might be able to do that.
Unfortunately thats not what I wanna do since that would make the masterpass 
lay around in plaintext when the system is up. That was the only idea I got 
when googling...

But I could imagine it aint hard anyways to extract the key from a running sys, 
if thats the case then this way is as good as any...
--- End Message ---


Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page:
> 
>       http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm
Link broken, most certainly u meant:
http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm
 
> It's in the "Crucial Background Information" section.

>     .''`.         Stephen Powell       


Re: [OT] Stupid consumers and inferior hardware (was: Monitor question)

2010-12-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 22:23:30 +0100 Simon Hollenbach
>  shared this with us all:
> 
> > - Original message -
> > > You might enjoy my anti-winmodem rant in the following web page:
> > > 
> > >         http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm
> > Link broken, most certainly u meant:
> > http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm
> > 
> > > It's in the "Crucial Background Information" section.
> > 
> > >       .''`.          Stephen Powell        
> 
> Your email program [Modest 3.2] must have broken it, because it wasn't
> broken here?
> 
> Charlie
its propably due to bad resolving of microb, the maemo browser. Thanks for the 
info, I'm gonna file a bug.
Simon

P.s sorry for private mail, Charlie, im gonna learn posting eventually :P

Re: Flash on Iceweasel?

2010-12-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> I am trying to get flash running on my netbook, which is running 
> Iceweasel on Squeeze.   I have installed flashplugin-nonfree, but when I 
> go to a flash site it says that I need to install missing plugins and 
> the link does not find any available plugins.   Also, despite the fact 
> that flashplugin-nonfree is installed, If I check Tools/Add-Ons/Plugins 
> it does not show flash.
Try:
$sudo update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
and select flashplugin-nonfree

Bye
Simon

> Marc



Re: unattended upgrades

2011-01-04 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> > Thanks for replying, Cameleon, but as I said, apt-get install just did
> > it effortlessly. No interaction required.
> 
> No prompts asking you about when using "apt-get upgrade"? Weird, because 
> that was what the log said and the package gets blacklisted because of 
> that :-?
> 
Hi folks,
I just wanna say that I experienced the same behaviour but as it was my desktop 
I quickly said:'I really want those installed' and then it worked without user 
interaction, exactly as described right here. Please post a link to the filed 
bug report.

Bye
Simon

Re: (solved)Re: how to scan a book

2011-01-04 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> That is a good suggestion.   But it sounds tedious to me.
> 
Im afraid you missed the point. The OP wants to make the images become text. If 
I did, excuse and correct me pls. Though I dare to say the described method 
will most likely be not put into practice. Without a trained monkey noone would 
make me go through this for a book. Well, the images are gonna be created using 
a digicam, so who knows...

bye
Simon

Re: Installation Report, failure to install correctly. How do I identify the Package under which I file my report?

2011-01-04 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hi Keith,
I assume u clicked ur way through debian.org looking for a CD-Image to 
download, so I think ur using Debian 'stable' codename Lenny. You have come to 
us at the time of harvest :) The new Debian, now 'testing', codename Squeeze is 
nearly finished, I recommend u download a testing installer and try from there 
as you will probably want to update to the latest version in a month or so if u 
dont.

Here's the package you should file a bug against:
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/debian-installer

Here's a link to the installers I spoke of:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/

It may seem a bit hard to find out what image you need, but from there on u 
shouldnt see a difference...

Its essentiell u confirm that the bug is reproducible. Try with another CD/etc 
and confirm the MD5-checksum of your downloaded image is the same as stated on 
the download page. Always waste your own time first...

bye
Simon

Re: google's ads

2011-01-05 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> how do i get rid of google's by me unwanted extra's: ads
Assuming you are using firefox/iceweasel/chrome you can use adblock plus with 
EasyList filters, there may be additonal filters available for your region, 
e.g. EasyList Germany. I dont know if this addon is available for Opera/IE. 
Does IE support addons by now? im not talking about toolbars...

Regards
Simon

Re: repos for squeeze as a base install.

2011-01-05 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> So, the only repo I need now is testing, and, may backports for squeeze
> - is it correct?
You should comment out the backports repo until squeeze gets stable, AFAIK 
backports and volatile are only available for the current stable version of 
Debian.

Regards
Simon

Re: Avoiding inconsistencies when using reprepro update

2011-01-06 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> What actual risks are there and how can I avoid them (other than running
> 24/7 :)).
Hi Malte,
I think this warning means that reprepro knows about the volatiliy of the 
archives and can't continue a file that has changed due to version upgrade. 
Considering that it would be hard to copy a changing archive at once, and the 
more time goes by, the more probable the downloaded parts are deprecated and 
the progress is lost.

But I'm quite sure someone will (further) clarify that, maybe my guess already 
points you in the right direction.

Grüße aus Sachsen
Simon

Re: Avoiding inconsistencies when using reprepro update

2011-01-06 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Another thought - Followup on my own last message in thread: Does the same 
happen when trying to get your local repo from a late snapshot? 
Snapshot.debian.org someone just mentioned it. These are not changing and I 
would suggest u can ignore the warnings you get with them. Afterwards u could 
update your repo to date...

Re: Please ignore this test.

2011-01-12 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> > If a thread is posted to a listserv, and everyone ignores it, does
> > Godwin's law apply?
> only to 'ignore' rant Nazis.
For sure Quirks Exception applies now, its not in the English wikipedia(its in 
the German), here's another link:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Quirk%27s%20Exception

To turn this post into something not entirely senseless:
@OP Debian Mailing lists are not there to test if you can post to them, that's 
highly unwanted, as stated on debian.org . Strange that noone wrote that till 
now.

 I wonder if you will ever post again... Please do so, if you've got an issue 
or even better, a solution, it's not like you're disliked by anyone because of 
what you did (I suppose).



RE: maintenance

2011-01-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> Make sure to include your username and   passwords for your bank accounts
> when you respond.   
Todd has earned a point. This is the oldest scam I can think of, afterwards 
they got more inventive and gave away mean incentives such as wooden horses. 
Who do you think is your Mail Service Provider? If it's an online one they 
surely told you: 'CompanyX will never ask you to supply your password but to 
login' or something alike. Strange there are still such gullible folks out 
there. When I read this message and its copies today it was a laugh for all the 
office...

If you wanna seng your login-credentials somewhere, I'd love to see them on 
debian-user...

Don't let them(1) fool you
Simon

1) http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Them

P.S. squeeze still isnt released, right? Otherwise: Please ignore this message 
;)

Re: CAPS key is enabled

2011-01-19 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> Hi,
> On my laptop, running debian (same problem with ubuntu and al)
> the CAPS key is enabled I can't disable it, to do it , I go to the text
> screen, (ctrl+alt+F1), to disable it, after that I come back to the
> graphical interface.
> What is the problem ??
> 
> thanks a lot
> best regards
Hi Abdelkader,
seems X doesn't get your keys right.
what does
$ xmodmap -pke | grep Caps
say? After the equals(=) the first thing stated should be the KeyName, it is 
Caps_Lock here.
$ xmodmap -e "add Lock = Caps_Lock"
then makes the CLO usable. If this works you should take a look at permanent 
key remapping to make the change persistent through reboot.

greets
Simon

Re: The classic KDE mouse cursor theme in Squeeze

2011-01-24 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Zbigniew Komarnicki  wrote:
> why If I choose in KDE
> System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Mouse -> Cursor Theme -> KDE Classic
>
> the KDE Classic cursor theme it is not preserved after log out and also in
> many other applications is not preserved e.g. on Krusader, Kile etc.
> Do you observe also such behavior? What to do with this? I dislike the new
> default cursor theme in KDE, is too big for me.
I can confirm this behaviour with KDE4, kdebase-workspace-bin version
4:4.4.5-7 on an amd64 squeeze, namely 2.6.32-5-amd64.

The cursor scheme keeps being selected in System Settings after
reboot, but doesn't show up at all anymore. Currently, without having
rebooted, I notice the new cursor in iceweasels window-bar and
main/website window, but the old one in the toolbars. That may help
finding where this error occurs.

I suppose you file a bug against kde. Correct me if one can get more
specific on the package. Let us know if/when you did that, so I can
contribute my observations.

Btw, since kde4 I usually find my cursor :P

> Zbigniew
Greetings
Simon


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Re: loud f'ing noise

2011-01-26 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 18:22 -0500, shawn wilson wrote:

> so for next time, is there any software to reset hardware alarms?
> i know there's ipmi stuff, but i don't have an ipmi card for this
> computer. when i googled, i found a man page for 'hwreset' but i
> didn't find anything with 'apt-cache search' (on either the kubuntu
> install or a debian box). 

Hi Shawn,
those alarms are useful and usually have a cause, maybe your fan did
spin too slow for BIOS, that happened to me at some point, having a
temperature-controlled fan and a MB caring about its CPU-Fan-Speed. And
I think they don't go away because the guys who made it thought it was a
good idea to turn your system off immediately if this noise appears. You
should find the cause of your alarm and by eliminating that you minimize
the probability you'll hear that ever again.

Sorry if I misunderstood, I just don't want you to harm a system running
debian :)

Bye
Simon



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[OT]Re: best labtop for debian

2011-02-08 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> Not kidding, is labtop a real word?
As for being a member of the words listed in an English dictionary I'd state 
no. It is a misspelled form of laptop, I blindly guess.

As for 'valid' word: you cannot create invalid words out of a (valid) combo of 
valid chars. 'Gans' is such a word, just as 'qyf', but 'have milk' and 
'n074nym0r€$' are not. That's grammar, rules are courtesy of English(tm). I 
hope u enjoy reading this as much as I did recalling our lecture.

Greets
Simon

this post is sponsored by Yah0o Answres - We'll find a Stupid Question!

Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

2011-02-27 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
/snip
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorQuickStart#Account
/snip

Hello Camaléon,
so we got a privacy statement, but as the wiki states, this shouldn't be part 
of what is editable by everyone, but become a static page. Furthermore, I 
suppose a link from the registration page is missing, maybe for a good reason 
(it could be changed by everyone who thinks e.g. he/she has to be very funny)

I dont know if u read the statement, but AFAICS there is _no_ statement about 
the handling of submitted eMail-addresses. So the OP's concern is not resolved 
by this privacy policy.

Regards
Simon

Re: Debian Wiki participation..?

2011-02-27 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:26:57 +0100, Simon Hollenbach wrote:
> 
> (please, avoid using html)
Sorry about that, i took the time to dig in modest, my mail client, to find 
that option. I prefer it as well, so thanks... 
> That is something up to wiki maintainers/admins, so you should contact 
> and discuss the right status for that page with them.
Have you got a proposed way how to accomplish that most easily? I think the bug 
report should be sufficient, I hereby ask the OP to post the link when a bug 
was opened...
> People, that is what a Wiki is: freely editable by anyone with an
> account.
Sure. But thats why I think a wiki is not the best place to post a privacy 
statement and such.
> If you want to improve those things, try by contacting the wiki admins.
I hesitate on doing that now as I suppose the wiki-admins got more important 
stuff to do. If someone would confirm that this wouldn't be 'annoying', I will 
write to them.

Hope I got the mail format right this time, if not, tell me.

Regards
Simon


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Re: Howto: Samsung ML-1915 with Debian Lenny

2010-11-15 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> Easy way to make Samsung ML-1915 printer work with Debian Lenny without
> installing *any* package at all:
> 
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=57364
First of all, I installed the Debian print packages:

no comment


Re: Packages - what's the best way?

2010-11-15 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Sry, didnt reply to list in first place...
- Original message -
> - Original message -
> >       I'm quite new to debian and I'm getting my head around dpkg,
> > apt-get, aptitude and synaptic.    Does anyone have advice on the best
> > way to handle a .deb package?    Can I make up my own repository of .deb
> > packages and point apt-get at that to install packages?    I've
> > installed one or two small things (gcc and gnu make) using dpkg, but I
> > wondered if there was a better way to do this.    I've just downloaded
> > opera and it comes in a .deb package, so this is my next task.    apt or
> > dpkg - or even synaptic?
> > 
> >       Thanks for any help.
> > 
> > Rob Hurle
> > 
> > -- 
> > -
> > Rob Hurle
> > ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific
> > School of Culture, History and Language
> > Histories of Asia and the Pacific
> > e-mail:              rob1...@gmail.com
> > Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169
> > Mobile (in VN):  +84 948 243 538
> > Mobile (in OZ):  +61 417 293 603
> > -
> 
> Hi Rob,
> when I started out with debian I got a print of
> http://tangosoft.com/refcard/ . Its a reference card that should help
> you with the basic tasks, such as installing a DebianPacKaGe via dpkg -i
> /path/to/file.deb
> 
> Regards
> Simon



Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-16 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> I have a dual boot Windows XP / Lenny Toshiba Qosmio G25 laptop. I have 
> it setup for dual boot with XP on one hard drive and Linux on the other. 
> I wanted to upgrade to Squeeze. I ran an Aptitude upgrade by changing 
> Lenny to Squeeze in the /etc/apt/source.list file and then running the 
> usual update sequence. Everything worked except Postgresql 8.4 refused 
> to configure. After reading the bug reports I concluded that this is a 
> serious bug that isn't going away soon. So I burned a Squeeze Network 
> Installation Disk (6.1 beta) and attempted to install the new system 
> that way. The Squeeze disk didn't recognize the windows system and 
> trashed my boot files. I finally did a fresh installation using my old 
> Lenny Network Installation Disk. This corrected all of the problems but 
> leaves me back where I started.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how I can do this upgrade safely and effectively.
> 
> Gary R.
> 
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Hello Gary,
restoring the ability to boot to Win from GRUB2 shouldnt be a problem. After 
having installed Squeeze, make sure os-prober is installed. #su #apt-get 
install os-prober
Afterwards by running #su #update-grub you ought see a line identifying your 
Win partition.

I hope that'll help
Simon

Re: "unable to register inhibitor with session bus"

2010-11-18 Thread Simon Hollenbach

On 18.11.2010 19:16, Sthu Deus wrote:

How the fcuk do I fix this?

I did startx and this and a bunch of other fcuking

Could you both hold your garbage far from us?!


Hi Sthu Deus,
It was just that one kid, what appears to be a conversation was a 
quoting error.
And he apologized, maybe cause Stan Hoeppner had the right method of 
convincing him to do so...


Don't let this upset u, reviewing the thread before posting would have 
been an enlightment here.


Hishuk-ish ts'awalk
Simon


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Re: encrypt file names zip

2010-11-19 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> i can recursively zip a folder with password with:
> 
> zip -re some-folder.zip some-folder/
> 
> but how can i "encrypt" the filenames in the zip file? cause i can see
> them, i just only can't extract them!
> 
> or there isn't any way? 7-zip under windows can do it :O
> 
> ubuntu 10.10
Hi,
http://7-zip.software.informer.com/wiki/
it seems to be entirely possible to encrypt the file structure. The debian 
package is called p7zip.
http://www.giyf.com ;)

Regards
Simon

Re: Monitor vertical refresh rate setting in X.

2010-11-24 Thread Simon Hollenbach

> After that, restart the X server (I never remember how does one restarts 
> X server in Debian, but jumping to tty, falling into "init 1" and then 
> running "startx" should do the trick)... or reboot O:-)
Ctrl+Alt+Backspace

Re: switching between amd64 + i386

2010-11-25 Thread Simon Hollenbach

On 25/11/10 16:12, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

I don't get the 'daisy-chaining' is that explained somewhere?

Hugo


Hi Hugo,
daisy-chaining just describes the technique of one thing pointing to 
another that points to something else thats got a cousin that... I think 
u get what I mean. Nevertheless:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daisy_chain.JPG

Greetings
Simon


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Re: Rules to .procmailrc

2010-11-25 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> So what is the rule to put in to .procmailrc to short all of these   
> mails sent to some user. In this case debian-user@lists.debian.org :P

Hi,
You could have really used google on this one. Even bing should find sth...

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~ian/procmail.html

Under recipes there is a sample of a filter used on To and CC at the same time, 
that should suit your needs.

Greets
Simon

Re: Seeking advice and documentation on non-standard software RAID1 setup

2010-11-30 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> Hi,
> - make a software RAID1 on my laptop between a SD card and a partition 
>     on the builtin HDD
> - whenever I want or need to use the other laptop I use the SD card to 
>     boot from it and work in my environment

Hi Andrei,
have u considered that I/Os to the SD will be much slower than those to the 
built-in hdd? That would bring ur hd down to sd performance. Thinking about 
that an esata ssd could suit ur needs, but be more expensive and tangling 
around on your laptop.

just a thought
Simon

Re: An Aptitude and Repository Question

2010-12-07 Thread Simon Hollenbach
im already startin to hate myself. wrong recipient, resend.
- Original message -
> Hi Eren,
> I dont really know much about apt-pinning etc but have been following
> the list, so I might ask you myself to distort those visions im gettin
> atvm: Would you be as kind as providing your specific apt-cache policies?
> 
> If not i suppose this has something to do with hard pinning whilst the
> current high solar activity. U have to be gentle...
> 
> Best wishes
> Simon



Re: [OT] Dubuntian- WAS: problem installing Debian on dual boot with WinXP

2010-12-07 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> So: shame on Ubuntu and cheers to Debian :=)
> 

> 
> My fellow members in my association have asked for Ubuntu install on 
> dual boot on one of our computers. Since they know next to nothing about 
> Linux, I am going to tell them that Debian is just about the same as 
> Ubuntu (which is not completely untrue anyway), and that, in any case, 

Id say u r doing the right thing, but i find this a rather unfortunate move 
towards the masses who happen to know ubuntu. Fork it in some kind of myth, 
including an unwanted child, maybe adapt Prometheus struggle with Zeus, but let 
him stay chained to this mountain. Hey, that strange bird is from Redmond.
What I'm trying to say, dont make debian appear like some mental retard's 
lunatic brother, its the caring one who has got to look after the 
not-a-bit-better other sibblings.

greetings
Simon

P.S. I dont want to set up anyone in love with that charming os. hey, I like 
the purple. Im just trying to explain my concern in marketing-talk...


> Debian did the job, which Ubuntu did not !


Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Simon Hollenbach
>   --WARN-- [cron005w] Use of cron is not restricted
Tiger supposes you limit the use of cron to some point, e.g. let only root 
edit/run it. Refer to the cron manual for how to do that, I guess.
> --WARN-- [root003w] Root user has message capability turned on.
Now it wants you to turn off the ability of root to send/receive mail. This 
means the debian-intern mails, the ones you get notified about when logging in 
via shell.

As someone pointed out already and I can confirm for the two above, I dont see 
how this is a security risk.

Not much of a clue about the other ones, sry.

Regards
Simon

Re: Where I can to find information about Tiger messages?

2010-12-09 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> OK. Will review the tiger mailing list.
Didnt he write there is none active anymore?

Re: setting up a network printer

2010-12-11 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> > > What is the ip address for the printer?
> > Quick and dirty: "cat /etc/cups/printers.conf | grep URI"
> > 
> /snip/
>     this does not produce an ip address, it produces the name of
> 
> the printer and the printer and the computer port it's connected to:
> 
> DeviceURI hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_2200?device=/dev/parport0
Hi,
I'd say that is because you havent connected the printer via ethernet, but 
through a parallel port. Therefore CUPS uses an hp:/-protocol URI, probably to 
call hplibs. Note that the port is part of the URI, as the name of the printer.

Greetings
Simon

Re: setting up a network printer

2010-12-11 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> DeviceURI
> hal:///org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4b8_82c_W57P10707310003510_if1_printer_noserial
> DeviceURI
> hal:///org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4b8_82c_W57P10707310003510_if1_printer_noserial
> DeviceURI hp:/usb/Officejet_5600_series?serial=CN58BCF21H04CY
> DeviceURI hpfax:/usb/Officejet_5600_series?serial=CN58BCF21H04CY

Sorry Paul, but i dont get how your posting makes my statement false. Here we 
see the usage of another two helper protocols at DeviceURI, namely hal and 
hpfax. Im staying at my opinion that a network-attached printer would make an 
IP show up under DeviceURI, whereas other link ways lead to a workaround, a 
'virtual print server', a very basic one of course. Correct me if thats bogus...

greets
Simon

Re: What are the dependencies of the gcc-4.2-base package?

2010-12-12 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message -
> I was paring down my installation and   the command for gcc-4.2-base more
> or less threatened to wipe out everything on the server.
> apt-get purge gcc-4.2-base
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gcc-4.2-base
> Is that the norm, or is it due to a corrupted package database?
i think its what it should do
> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
> required:
> libdns35 linux-libc-dev autotools-dev openvpn-blacklist
> The following extra packages will be installed:
> libdns35
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> adduser* ajaxterm* apache2* apache2-mpm-prefork* apache2-utils*
> apache2.2-common* apt* apt-show-versions* apt-utils*
> aptitude* base-files* base-passwd* bash* belocs-locales-bin* bind9*
> binutils* bsdmainutils* bsdutils*
> build-essential* bzip2* comerr-dev* console-setup* console-terminus*
> console-tools* coreutils* cpio* cpp* cpp-4.2*
> cron* curl* dash* debconf* debconf-i18n* debianutils* debootstrap*
> defoma* dhcp3-client* dhcp3-common* dhcp3-server*
> diff* dmidecode* dpkg* dpkg-dev* e2fslibs* e2fsprogs* eject* ethtool*
> fail2ban* file* findutils* fontconfig*
> fontconfig-config* g++* g++-4.2* gcc* gcc-4.2* gcc-4.2-base*
> gettext-base* gnupg* gpgv* grep* groff-base* gzip*
> hostname* ifupdown* initramfs-tools* initscripts* iproute* iptables*
> iputils-ping* klogd* laptop-detect* less*
> libacl1* libapache2-mod-php5* libapr1* libaprutil1* libapt-pkg-perl*
> libatm1* libattr1* libaudio2*
> libauthen-pam-perl* libbind9-30* libblkid1* libbz2-1.0* libc6*
I think that ones quite essentiell

GNU C Library: Shared libraries

Contains the standard libraries that are used by nearly all programs on the 
system. This package includes shared versions of the standard C library and the 
standard math library, as well as many others.
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libc6


   libc6-dev*
> libc6-i686* libcap1* libck-connector0*
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Re: Old control sums for packages.

2024-04-06 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hello KJ,

there is the snapshot archive at https://snapshot.debian.org/ - You
can get older Packages files from there.

I don't know if you mean the links like `Packages.gz ->
by-hash/SHA256/c039245acc063d9b42cade368a874bf5e0ee3025a7bb2634f3f3bc601f15bb89`
or the actual contents of Packages: These by-hash links are in use
since somewhen in 2017 for sid, but since you were talking about
looking back a month or two, this should not be a problem.

Please also note that there was a time when Packages had no SHA256 fields.

Ciao,
Simon


On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 at 12:37, Kamil Jońca  wrote:
>
> At http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/ we can find
> files with SHA256 sums of packages. Unfortunately they are only 2 weeks
> old. Is this possible to have little older files? (For example month or
> 2)?
> KJ
>
> --
> http://stopstopnop.pl/stop_stopnop.pl_o_nas.html
>



Re: Dependencies between components.

2024-04-06 Thread Simon Hollenbach
Hi,

I have not found a mistake in your considerations about "sane"
component inter-dependency.

However, package dependencies are declared upon a package with a
suitable version, whether this package can be set-up on a bespoke
target system remains to be determined by APT when the package is
installed or upgraded. Just consider for example some manually held
packages - These might break your package install even if all the
needed packages are downloadable (All the components needed are
correctly configured in sources.list ).

I hope this helps. I'd like to understand why you are asking this
question, this might enable us to give you better-suited information.

Ciao,
Simon

P.S.: I am sorry for first sending this to Tim directly - I should
take extra care when using this weird web interface here.

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 18:12, Tim Woodall  wrote:
>
> Is there a wiki or something else that lays out exactly what other
> distributions and components each debian (distribution,component) tuple
> is allowed to depend on?
>
> This is what I've concluded so far.
>
> I'm assuming transitive dependencies are allowed, e.g.
> bookworm-updates-contrib can depend on bookworm-non-free so I've
> considered the dependencies between distributions with the same
> component and the dependencies between components of the same
> distribution separately.
>
>
> First considering the distribution dependencies. All of these are
> always allowed between the same component.
>
> bookworm-proposed-updates : bookworm
> bookworm-updates  : bookworm
> bookworm-backports-sloppy : bookworm-backports bookworm
> bookworm-backports: bookworm
>
> I believe that updates is a subset of proposed-updates so dependency
> on updates by proposed-updates is moot
>
> I'm unclear whether backports is allowed to depend on -updates but I
> assume not as I've not seen anything saying that you need to enable
> -updates if you enable -backports. I guess the backporter would have to
> wait for the point release if they ever needed something only in
> bookworm-updates (it's hard to imagine many cases where a -updates
> package would be required for backporting so this is somewhat
> theoretical - I think it's only if there's a security update involved)
>
>
> Now considering the dependencies between components in the same
> distribution:
>
> contrib  : non-free non-free-firmware main
> non-free : non-free-firmware main
> non-free-firmware: main
>
> Some sources seem to say that non-free depends on contrib while others
> say contrib depends on non-free. My understanding on contrib is that it
> is for packages that cannot be in main because they depend on non-free
> even though they're otherwise free. But I'm not sure if there's a two
> way dependency here.
>
> I'm assuming that non-free-firmware cannot depend on non-free or contrib
> - that would seem to defeat the goal of non-free-firmware - although I
> could see a case where a firmware loader is in contrib while the
> firmware itself is in non-free so I'm not sure exactly what is allowed
> or expected here.
>