Re: testing migration
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:27:03 + Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:41:52AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote: > > Jim McCloskey wrote: > > | I expected to see all sorts of messages here about difficulties with > > | testing after the migration of glibc 2.3.1-14. > > | > > | Hardly anything, though. > > | > > | I've been holding back from the upgrade till things settle down. > > | > > | Are there any brave souls who went ahead and upgraded and have the > > | time to do a quick report of how it went? I've upgraded, and only noticed two things. 1) My xinetd.conf file was overwritten without asking me, which I don't feel is right, and 2) I currently have a small, but very odd, video effect that might of course not be due to the upgrade. In Sylpheed and in Gimp there are a couple of small panes at the bottom right hand corner of the main window (in Gimp I mean the window that contains the loaded image). In both, the extreme right pane is taken up with a button, but the one just to the left is either normally blank or maybe contains some information (I don't remember). However, in both cases it is now filled with what I can only describe as "noise", which changes each time the window is created. I have a vague recollection if seeing something like this a couple of years ago, with Mandrake, but it eventually disappeared when I upgraded again. It's probably peculiar to my system. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing migration
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:09:44 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I *believe* you can configure debconf to NOT overwrite existing config > files, automatically overwrite them, or prompt you before doing so. With > > either of the last two options, it will still create a backup of your > old file. Yes it did create a backup. But the confusing thing is that in the case of some packages I *was* asked if I wanted to replace my file. I therefore assumed that if I hadn't been asked it hadn't been overwritten. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing migration
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:51:34 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any package in debian that, during installation or upgrade, loses > changes you have locally made to a config file is broken. A bug report > of severity serious should be filed on it for its violation of debian > policy, section 11.7.3: > > Configuration file handling must conform to the following behavior: > * local changes must be preserved during a package upgrade, and > * configuration files must be preserved when the package is > removed, and only deleted when the package is purged. Actually, this is ambiguous, because "local changes must be preserved" can both mean "backed up" (which is what happened in my xinetd case) and "remain active", which is what I think should happen. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing migration
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:00:25 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Kimber wrote: > > Actually, this is ambiguous, because "local changes must be preserved" > > can both mean "backed up" (which is what happened in my xinetd case) > > and"remain active", which is what I think should happen. > > The rest of the section clarifies it pretty well I think. Not the bit that you quoted. That just refers to removal and purging, not upgrading. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Auto apt-get upgrade
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:24:53 -0800 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's just begging for a cosmic ass-whooping, from my experiance when > I tried it. Doing this is only for people who switched from Windows > and really, really miss things randomly breaking for seemingly no > reason. Yes, though there's presumably no reason not to do just the update bit. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mouse question
Which parameter(s), and where, do I need to change in order to have the mouse be not so fast at selecting text? My problem is that, when editing, if I try to place the cursor in a particular position by clicking, and then move the mouse out of the way in order to have an unobstructed view of the text cursor, the procedure often results in unwanted selection of text. Thanks. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Downgrading libc6?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:27:42 +1100 Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or you could just wait a few days for it to filter into testing. I thought it already had. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc 3.2 and kernel 2.4.20
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:21:12 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Compiled and tested mplayer-0.9rc5. Runs well and noticed no problems > > in 5 minutes of testing :-) > > I didn't see any noticeable improvement in performance, but it hasn't > bitten me yet either. I run testing. How do I change from what has been the default to 3.2? - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transferring Digital Camera Images
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:14:22 -0500 Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Grab the 'usbmgr' and 'hotplug' packages via apt. (These packages Doesn't hotplug conflict with and replace usbmgr? That's what synaptic tells me anyway. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Official Exim 4 package
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:35:34 -0600 Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far, you're the only user I'm aware of that has become "frustrated" > by it. Sure, there are probably more out there, but I hardly think it's > a problem of the magnitude you claim it to be. Well, it's hard to tell isn't it? I've just been reading (much of) this thread, and I'm not really qualified to contribute, but it seems to me that he has enough of a point for it to be worth thinking about and discussing in a productive way. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
winhelpcgi.cgi
My motherboard manual is in windows help format, so I installed a debian package from the winhelpcgi.cgi website, naively thinking it would "just work" (TM). Is there some adjustment I need to make to my local apache setup, that I use for reading locally created webpages? Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
update-modules not working
If I try to do an update-modules, I am told to use update-modules force because /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated However "update-modules force" merely repeats the error message: /etc/modutils>update-modules force Error: the current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated. Use "update-modules force" to force (re)generation. what am I doing wrong? Modules.conf is not automatically generated because it gets re-written when I turn the 4Front Technologies sound system on (it makes sure all sound modules are turned off). I then get a whole load of logcheck messages about "/etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.19/modules.dep". None of this stops the system working. but it's irritating. Thanks. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anti-spam idea for this list
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:17:42 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > try it without a monospace font. > > Why would anybody read an inheirently monospace medium in anything but > a monospaced font? > > - -- > .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > : :' : > `. `'` proud Debian admin and user > `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system Wot's that tangle of dots in your sig? ;-) -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: update-modules not working
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:12:19 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joachim Fahnenmueller) wrote: > > what am I doing wrong? > > Don't know: according to man update-modules, it should work like this. > It may help to remove that /etc/modules.conf (or rename it) and then run > update-modules. Thanks. Yes, that's the work around I used, but I'm puzzled as to why the force option didn't work. Could it be a bug? If so, I guess I should report it. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem on woody
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:36:21 +0200 Lukas Ruf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > $ mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom > > > mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device This may not be the answer, but I find that if I do cdrecord -scanbus when this happens, and then try the mount, it works. Don't ask me why. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem on woody
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:36:21 +0200 Lukas Ruf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been experiencing the same problems on 2.4.22: Why do you have this set like this? Reply-To: LIST-Reply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It defeats Sylpheed's automatic reply-to-list facility. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem on woody
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:25:47 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joachim Fahnenmueller) wrote: > > > > > $ mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom > > > > > mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device > > > > This may not be the answer, but I find that if I do > > cdrecord -scanbus > > when this happens, and then try the mount, it works. > > Don't ask me why. > > Excuse me if I do, but I'd really like to find out what's happening. > Would you mind posting: > Output of lsmod *before* and *after* invoking cdrecord -scanbus > Your /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf Next time I have the problem. I will do this. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > sender > mailing list' > > option that works for me. But setting Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as you seem to have done, prevents the reply to list option from working properly. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be > fixed. Well ... my track record on persuading them what is a bug is not good, and a common response is to be told to go and write the code myself, which I cannot do. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:21:44 + Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not true. KDE 3 went in just a few days ago (albeit somewhat > broken for now) Indeed. What would be really helpful would be if there was some easy-to-find running guidance on what testing users should do - like "don't do a dist-upgrade just yet" ... etc. Maybe there is such information - if so I'd like to know how to find it. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:35:20 + Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What would be really helpful would be if there was some easy-to-find > > running guidance on what testing users should do - like "don't do a > > dist-upgrade just yet" ... etc. Maybe there is such information - if > > so I'd like to know how to find it. > > IRC channels are the best you're likely to do for running guidance. If > there's really serious hose-your-system breakage then somebody usually > posts to mailing lists about it; if it's just package conflicts and > things, then, well, you should pay attention to what the package manager > says it's going to remove and say no if it looks mad. OK. Thanks. This may be a stupid question, but has consideration been given to having a 'holding area' between testing and stable to which stuff gets moved only when there are no breakages? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the best package manager for single-package upgrades?#
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:47:54 + Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually use Debian testing as a desktop, eight hours a day, five days > a week. It works great. Moi aussi. But there are some kde-related packages that just won't install - e.g. quanta, which I wanted to have a look at. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libGL and DRM error with Matrox card
Some apps give an error when started saying: libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering XFree86.0.log says:- MGA(0): Direct rendering enabled Is there a problem? If so how should I resolve it? Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looking for Knotes type application
I don't use either the Gnome or the KDE desktops (just Blackbox, plus whatever apps I need). I find Knotes a very useful app, but it seems to use rather a lot of memory for what it does (in terms of how I use it - mostly as a storage space for copying and pasting between apps). If I've understood top correctly it takes about 30MB, about 5 times more than Bluefish. Is there a similar stand-alone application, preferably gtk-based, that will provide me with similar functionality, but that is more economical? I've Googled till I'm blue in the face, but can't find anything. There's a similar Gnome applet, but it seems that won't work on a stand-alone basis, or at least I couldn't get it to. Thanks, -Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ide-scsi problem on woody
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:18:56 +0100 Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:25:47 +0200 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joachim Fahnenmueller) wrote: > > > > > > > $ mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom > > > > > > mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device > > > > > > This may not be the answer, but I find that if I do > > > cdrecord -scanbus > > > when this happens, and then try the mount, it works. > > > Don't ask me why. > > > > Excuse me if I do, but I'd really like to find out what's happening. > > Would you mind posting: > > Output of lsmod *before* and *after* invoking cdrecord -scanbus > > Your /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf > > Next time I have the problem. I will do this. Actually the difference seems to be: > nls_iso8859-1 2848 1 (autoclean) > sg 24228 0 (autoclean) > ide-scsi7392 1 But I don't have any problems with programs like XCDRoast accessing the CD, and cdrecord seems to solve it by loading the requisite modules. lilo.conf has:- append=" hdc=ide-scsi" modules.conf has:- options ide-cd ignore=hdc pre-install sg modprobe ide-scsi - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: looking for Knotes type application
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:42:20 -0700 Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I find Knotes a very useful app, but it seems to use rather a lot of > > memory for what it does (in terms of how I use it - mostly as a > > storage space for copying and pasting between apps). If I've > > understood top correctly it takes about 30MB, about 5 times more than > > Bluefish. > > > > Is there a similar stand-alone application, preferably gtk-based, > xfce4-notes-plugin (only works in xfce, apparently, I haven't tried it) > xpostit (claims to do what you want, haven't tried it) > xpostitplus (like xpostit, with some extras like resizing) Thanks. It certainly scores on the criterion of memory consumption. However, I would prefer a gtk app because it's appearance is more configurable. I'm not sure I can live with the canary yellow, which seems to be a fixed feature od xpostitplus. The man page regards it as having aesthetic value :). Chacun - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem compiling kernel
I tried to compile a new kernel with CC=gcc-2.95 make-kpkg --added_patches=lowlatency,preempt --append-to-version=.rk1103 but got the following:- In file included from ide-cd.c:318: ide-cd.h:440: error: long, short, signed or unsigned used invalidly for `slot_tablelen' make[4]: *** [ide-cd.o] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19/drivers/ide' make[3]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19/drivers/ide' make[2]: *** [_subdir_ide] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19/drivers' make[1]: *** [_dir_drivers] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 Is this a bug, or have I done something silly? I've been using 2.4.19. Would I be better off with another version? - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alas and alack.
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:11 -0600 (CST) Scott Dier - dieman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of distributions that shows how deticated many of the Linux > distributions are at distributing stable and secure fixes to users in a > timely fashion. Including users of 'testing' versions. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrade failure
I run mostly testing and just did an upgrade, which included libc6. It recommended restarting services, but it hangs when it tries to restart cupsys What should I do now? Thanks. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail and mailfilter
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:16:56 -0400 Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also think there is a script to set it up automatically called > fetchmailconf. I've never used it so I can't say whther it's any good or > not. It worked OK for me - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting rid of worms and viruses
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:01:07 +0100 Oliver Elphick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no provision that I know of in fetchmail to filter stuff before > it downloads it, but you could have exim4 filter it before it gets to > your mailbox. preconnect "mailfilter" will allow you to filter and delete on the server, on the basis of headers. As has been mentioned earlier. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: record sound...
On 22 Sep 2003 21:12:39 +0200 JG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LeVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hello! > > > > I need a program that can record from mic, or line-in, and encode > > realtime to mp3/ogg, or just record to wav. > > Anyone knows a program which can do this? > > $ apt-get install sox > $ man rec I'm using Audacity for wav (as I write). - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
update-modules problem
I'm using mostly testing and have encountered a problem. When I do: update-modules force, I get the error message:- Error: the current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated. Use "update-modules force" to force (re)generation. What should I do to get round this? The problem arises because when I turn on my OSS sound it rewrites the modules.conf to ensure other sound modules are inactive. Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailing list
Has this mailing list had problems in the last couple of days? Yesterday I found I was not receiving any messages. Today I discovered I was not subscribed, even though I had not unsubscribed myself. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailing list
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:01:15 -0400 Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:47:08PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > | Has this mailing list had problems in the last couple of days? > | > | Yesterday I found I was not receiving any messages. Today I > | discovered I was not subscribed, even though I had not unsubscribed > | myself. > > More likely your account had some problems which caused the list's > bounce handler to automatically unsubscribe you. No problems due to me, which is why I enquired. Perhaps my ISP screwed up something. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dangling symlink?
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:17:46 +0100 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know why this should have happened but occasionally it does. > It's probably a fairly rarely-occurring bug in the packaging system > whose effects are so trivial and harmless that nobody bothers to fix > it since there are more important issues to deal with. I doubt it's rare, I have about half a dozen, but I agree it's harmless - I've not bothered to do anything yet. Maybe when I'm bored ... - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blufish
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:23:19 -0700 Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Edwards wrote: > > >Not really sure where to ask this cos there douse not seem to be any > >email lists or forums for bluefish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailing list
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 11:57:28 +1000 Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/bounce-stuff/logs$ grep [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *2003-09* verphandler-2003-09-28.log:A:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has hit the > breakpoint, marking for removal > verphandler-2003-09-28.log:A:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has hit the > breakpoint, marking for removal > verphandler-2003-09-28.log:A:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has hit the > breakpoint, marking for removal > verphandler-2003-09-28.log:A:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has hit the > breakpoint, marking for removal > verphandler-2003-09-28.log:A:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has hit the > breakpoint, marking for removal > > You bounced too many emails, and got removed from the list. It > sends you a message when you get removed, so if you didn't get > that either, your mailbox was probably full. My mail box has never been full. It is emptied very frequently. (And my ISP sends a message when it's 75% full and I never got that). I can only suspect my ISP had a problem and wrongly bounced messages. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off the list again
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:43:06 -0800 J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know what it says but my inbox was only at 25% capacity. Something > else is going on here. I had the same problem. I've reported it to my ISP. My guess is they've made some change to their system that no longer delivers mails that used to be delivered. Maybe spam filtering, maybe something else. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing user-list
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:55:28 +1000 Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:38:34AM -0800, J Y wrote: > > Hi, I don't seem to be getting messages from the users list. Sorry > > about adding to the traffic. I don't understand this list problem. My > > inbox has about 80 messages in it. (It can hold probably 500) I am > > using online email. Why I am getting repeatedly dropped/bounced from > > the list-if indeed I have been this time-I just don't know. JY > > 'lo, > Most mailbox have a size measures in space taken, rather > than just by the number of emails. You're probably getting too > many viruses or large attachments which are eating up all your > disk quota. When legitimate mail then comes in, there's no room > for it, and it gets bounced. Maybe. But quite a number of people seem to be having this problem when their quotas have not been used up. Including me. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off the list again
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 02:30:52 +0100 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's some speculation: perhaps that "25% capacity" figure is an > average over some period of time, whereas what's happening is that > sometimes you get a big burst of swens and your mailbox goes over > quota for a while until whatever anti-swen you're using deletes them. > Perhaps you could try increasing the frequency with which you delete > swens, using a cron job maybe. I wondered if that might be the explanation, but I delete stuff every 3 minutes, and when I was away for a week recently I only accumulated about 7MB of junk out of the 10 allocated to me. It seems to me the chance of filling 10MB in 3mins is not large. I think it's probably due to poorly designed ISP filtering. I've complained but I'm not sure I'm gettiing through to them - I was asked to send them copies of the bounces, which of course I'm not getting - it's the people mailing me that get them - they don't seem to understand that :( - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Programmer for hire
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:07:28 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > apt-get, dselect, and aptitude answer every but the most casual > user's needs. and synaptic. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ftp from windows box
I'm trying to ftp, on my local home net, from a win2000 box to my Debian testing box. I can happily transfer files, but neither of the ftp clients I've tried on the windows PC will show a remote file listing. The ftp client thinks the directory is empty even though it has just transferred a file there successfully. Is this a windows issue, or is there a setting at the Debian end that I need to adjust? The ftp client debug window will list the files with their permissions etc., but implies some sort of LIST error. I'm not an expert, so I'd be grateful for some pointers. Thanks. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp from windows box
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:16:22 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.1707 > +0200]: > > client thinks the directory is empty even though it has just > > transferred a file there successfully. Is this a windows issue, or is > > there a setting at the Debian end that I need to adjust? The ftp > > client debug window will list the files with their permissions etc., > > but implies some sort of LIST error. > > What user are you logged in as, and what are the permissions of the > directory on the UNIX machine, which you are trying to LIST? I'm logging in as a recognised user with password, and the connection is made OK. The permissions are drwxr-xr-x. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp from windows box
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:33:55 +0200 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.14.1723 > +0200]: > > I'm logging in as a recognised user with password, and the connection > > is made OK. The permissions are drwxr-xr-x. > > What client and what server are you using? And are you trying passive > and active mode to see if either works? I used FileZilla as the client and in.ftpd -D on the Debian box. I don't think the latter can do anything other than passive mode, since the manual has a -p entry that is supposed to disable passive mode, but is not recognised when you actually try to use it. But the actual file transfer works OK, it's just that I can't see the remote directory. Maybe it's a client issue. I've put in an item on the sf support page. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Name resolution on internal network
On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:31:27 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) wrote: > And apparently a poor guess one at that. Just a few messages down in > the list, seen in the archive here, the problem has been reported as > being a Win2k DHCP server. I have this - my Netgear router seems to be configured to do this. I presume it's assuming it's working in a Win2k environment, though it claims to work with Linux (and does). Is the /000 a problem? I don't even know what it's supposed to mean. But it all appears to work. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
setting up static IP
How do I go about telling my router on my home network that I want to use a fixed IP address on my Debian box? It needs to be fixed so that the other PC on the system can retrieve mail from it. At the moment the router seems to allocate 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3 to both machines at varying times, according to whether one is switched off/on. Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pop server
I'm getting in a bit of a muddle setting up qpopper as a mail server for a local pc. >From my machine I can do: telnet pop3 and see how many unread messages there are. But if I try telnet pop. 110 I get: could not resolve pop./110: Name or service not known and essentially the same message when tried from the networked (windows) pc. I'd be grateful for some pointers. Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pop server
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are you trying to do? telnet pop. 110 tells telnet to > find a machine called "pop.hostname" and connect to port 110, which is > equivalent to the pop3 port. I don't think that's what you're looking > for. Well I got that from the man page. What's not clear to me is what I call the pop server (i.e. what I should enter into the mail client's setup as the email server to connect to - my ISP's server is called pop.ntlworld.com, and I assumed my local one would be called something along the same lines) - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pop server
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What are you trying to do? telnet pop. 110 tells telnet > > > to find a machine called "pop.hostname" and connect to port 110, > > > which is equivalent to the pop3 port. I don't think that's what > > > you're looking for. > > > > Well I got that from the man page. > > Which one? man qpopper says:- You can confirm that the POP server is running on Unix by telneting to port 110 (or 109 if you set it up that way). For example: %telnet pop.qualcomm.com 110 > In your case, say your machine is called "kimber" and you're running a > POP server on it. (Assume, too, that you haven't done anything naughty > like running the POP server on a port other than 110.) You would then > just tell the mail client to use "kimber" as the email server. Thanks, but this doesn't work. I.e. pointing the remote client at "kimber" (or the equivalent) doesn't allow the remote pc to retrieve mail. From Outlook, I get:- Connection was unexpectedly terminated by the server. Yet I can happily ftp from that machine using the same address. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pop server
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:05:48 -0700 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the machine running the pop3 server is properly configured (no TCP > wrappers, no firewall, etc) from some other machine you should be able > to: > > telnet machine pop3 (whatever the machine's name is). If this fails but > you can do it from the machine running the pop server you have a) a > network issue b) an over secure problem (meaning something is protecting > the pop server and shouldn't be). Well, I tried to pre-empt that sort of problem by opening what I thought were the right ports in my firewall (110 tcp/udp). I did the same for ftp, and that works OK. What else might it be? - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pop server
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on kimber... >make sure in.pop3 or equivalent is listed in /etc/hosts.allow > ipop3: localhost, 192.168.xx.0/255.255.255.0 > > ( you should see similar entries for wuftpd, in.telnetd > ( if the mising ipop3 is the problem > >make sure pop3 or equivalent is listed in /etc/inetd.conf or >/etc/xinetd.conf/ipop3 > # disable = yes > disable = no Thanks. That's solved it. disable = no was missing, but didn't solve the problem on it's own. Once hosts.allow was edited it worked. So it was either the latter or both that was the problem. The only puzzle is that I could ftp without any entry in hosts.allow - shouldn't that have required permission too? Much appreciated. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which anti-spam tool?
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:33:26 +0200 Robert Ian Smit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know spamassassin by name. I believe the version in stable is > quite old. Is it useful to install that version? What other tools > should I consider? I use Ifile with procmail. Ifile works differently from spamassassin. The former is statistically based, the latter is rule-based. You can find details of Ifile at http://www.ai.mit.edu/~jrennie/ifile/ and there are some very useful scripts that make using it very simple at http://xtrmntr.org/ORBman/ifile.procmail.html - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get upgrade question
In the course of a recent Debian testing apt-get upgrade, without using the -u option, a number of packages were upgraded. I discovered that one of these turned out to be kernel-source-2.4.19. Since I only have one kernel-source-2.4.19 directory on my machine, I assume that it just overwrote what was there previously. My questions are: was this an entirely safe procedure? And, if the files have been overwritten, how do I find out which release of 2.4.19 I had previously? Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling Sources and Maintaining a Debian System..
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:21:36 -0600 "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I went through the steps to get the sources.. apt-get source qpopper What do you do if the source is not available via apt-get? I.e. where do you unzip it? And do you have to do anything to it before proceeding? - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling Sources and Maintaining a Debian System..
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:25:51 -0600 Jamin W.Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:46:44 +0000 Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > What do you do if the source is not available via apt-get? I.e. where > > do you unzip it? And do you have to do anything to it before > > proceeding? > > Now would be the time to read the New Maintainer's Guide: >http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Indeed, but following those instructions (at least literally) doesn't work (for me). Maybe they're not meant to be taken literally. But in that case I need a guide to the guide. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Needed: Hardware recommendateons for Wireless Networking
On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:38:40 + iain d broadfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i've got a netgear MR314, and a cheap Belkin pc card in my laptop. > > the netgear is a doddle to admin. Yes, I have this router. Along with a D-Link USB adapter for one of the other machines. D-Link stuff seems pretty good, and a USB adapter (i.e. a cable + a gismo with an antenna) is better than a card, which seems to be more picky about picking up a signal - with something on the end of a cable, you can put it where there's a good signal. And it gives felxibility for the future. It all depends on the circumstances in which you're using it. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
copying files
Is there a program that will copy files from one directory to another, but which will avoid overwriting files with the same name by automatically creating a unique filename in the second directory, or is this something I need to program for myself? Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thread Stealing (was: Installing debian via network)
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:32:40 -0500 Joshua Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean there are email programs that can't thread? Amazing. I've run > > kmail, mutt, evolution and sylpheed-claws (this post). All are > > thread-capable. But Sylpheed is not. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XF86 4.2.1 upgrade problem
I run testing, and have just upgraded X to 4.2.1-3, and I eventually got it working OK. However, although I'm using the same XF86Config file as before, and have not made any screensaver or other changes, my monitor no longer goes into power saving mode as it used to with the previous version of X. Now the screen just goes blank. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why this has happened. Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with XFree86 in testing
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:33:01 -0600 Caitrin Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've never had X work less than perfectly before, so I haven't any > idea where to start troubleshooting. Any suggestions of things I > ought to try? Was a new config file created? If so, try using the one you successfully used before. That's what I had to do. (Though my problem was complete non-functionality.) - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get questions
apt-get dist-upgrade is persistently holding back one package (j2sdk1.3). Why is this, and what, if anything, should I do? Also, when I upgraded earlier, I found my kernel source had been upgraded. I assume it just overwrote what was there previously, but it's not clear. Is that what normally happens ? And if so, how do I tell what release of 2.4.19 I had previously? Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get questions
On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:07:31 -0600 Gary Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Richard Kimber wrote: > > > apt-get dist-upgrade is persistently holding back one package > > (j2sdk1.3). Why is this, and what, if anything, should I do? > > > > > This happens when the new package has more dependencies that you don't > already have installed. Just do "apt-get install " and it'll > upgrade the newer version of the package and it's new dependencies. You > > can confirm that it's not held back anymore by doing another "apt-get > dist-upgrade" afterwards and seeing that you don't have any packages > held back. Thanks. I've found out from someone else that the sources.list line (taken from the relevant website some time ago) was faulty. It needed a "main" adding. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bayesian Mail Filter
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:28:48 +1100 "Joyce, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have been using bmf to filter spam, for about a week now. It is > superb. I know I am still receiving spam, but I don't care as I don't > have to sort through heaps of crap anymore. > > Credit where credit is due, it really does work. > > I have fetchmail->exim->procmail->bmf->courier-imap > > Anyway the .deb is here > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=63555&release_id=11746 > 2 > > Matt Interesting, but what information is there about it? I couldn't find a home page. How does it compare to Ifile? - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto add a crontab job ?
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:43:22 +1100 bob parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's an excerpt from my crontab > > # run every 5 minutes > */5 * * * * /home/bob/bin/getmail Don't you have to have the user in here? My crontab says:- # m h dom mon dow user command 25 6* * * roottest -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to XFree 4.2.1-3
On 11 Nov 2002 16:19:17 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I'm scared, since I don't want to trash X Windows. Other > than saving copies of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /etc/X11/fs/config, > are there any other preparations that I should make before taking > the upgrade plunge? I guess you need to check that your driver is the right one, if you're using one from your video card manufacturer's website. I upgraded. It works fine, though the upgrade wasn't entirely smooth, and I only got it working by restoring the previous config, so having a backup is clearly important. There were some font differences, but they were minor - I don't know much about fonts. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to XFree 4.2.1-3
On 11 Nov 2002 17:43:04 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Were these the only 2 problems? The only significant ones. I had a problem with the monitor not powering down, which it had done before, but that was easily solved - though I'm not sure why I had the problem at all since I was using the same setup, but I don't know enough to find explanations. > When you say "font differences", what do you mean? Did they become > unbearably small or blocky? Mainly a size issue. I had to change the font size in my window manager (Blackbox) and make changes in one or two apps (but by no means all). But this wasn't the main issue issue I faced - getting X working at all was the issue - solved, as I said, by not using the newly generated config, but by replacing it with the old one. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X 4.2 problems ("out of range") with Matrox G450
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:26:09 + (UTC) Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I forgot to mention that shortly previous to this I had started having > tracking problems with my Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer mouse. It > would occasionally freeze or not track properly. I was puzzled by > this, but now it seems possible, even likely, that this was part of > the 4.2 problem, since it now appears to be fine. Judging from the bug report, you don't have the right mouse entry in the config file. I have the same hardware as you and I have:- Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "Explorer PS/2" <== Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X 4.2 problems ("out of range") with Matrox G450
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:02:33 + (UTC) Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I won't try to reproduce the entire bug report here, but in a > nutshell, with my original working config file for 4.1, which > corresponds to a resolution of 1280x1024, the server tries to come up, > but then hangs with a blank screen. The X logs complain about "out of > range errors", and my monitor also puts up a little box saying "Out of > Range" which I have never seen before. I can get a working X server > for 4.2, but only with the lower resolution of 1024x768. Note that the > config file in the bug report is the original config file referred to > at the beginning of this paragraph. > > I have seen other similar reports on the net, which leads me to > believe it might be a bug, but if so it should be much more visible, > because Matrox cards are pretty common. So, can anyone offer me any > enlightenment on this? I have 4.2 working fine with the Matrox 450. The upgrade did break things at first. For some reason the new config file seemed to be the problem, and everything worked when I restored the previous one (generated incidentally by the MGAPowerdesk app). I now have 1280x1024, though the log file does contain quite a few messages of the form: (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) But it does work OK, using the drivers from the Matrox website. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X 4.2 problems ("out of range") with Matrox G450
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:56:26 + (UTC) Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a reason you are not using the usual X drivers? It's a difficult decision, I guess. On the one hand Matrox presumably know more about their cards than X people (unless they work for Matrox, of course, but I wouldn't know). On the other hand X people presumably understand X better. Given that X is open, I assume there is a good chance of the Matrox drivers being OK. Actually, I started out using Matrox when I thought X didn't support my card, and have just stuck with them since then. Why not give it a try? It might help. FYI, my monitor is 17" LCD (Belinea). I'll send you the config file privately. - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firewall problems !!
On 01 Dec 2002 15:13:34 +0100 Matthias Hentges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I admit iptables and IP addresses confuses me, > > > > Can anyone tell me of an idiots firewall ? One even I can set up ? > > Setting up a firewall without knowing what it exactly does is dangerous. > You should consider learning how to write your own firewall rules IMO. InteractiveBastille might be an answer. Writing firewall rules takes a lot of learning, and creating a firewall is (for many people with simple requirements) just a one-off task that makes all the learning not a very cost effective way of spending time. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
testing - no new packages
I have not seen any new packages in testing for quite a long time. Is this because I'm using a mirror that's not being updated, or aren't there any? Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firewall problems !!
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:59:43 -0500 "N. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Granted, there is no need to go into design, implementation details, > etc., but giving such advice as you did above is probably not a good > idea for people new to the whole thing, as it lulls them into a false > sense of security. It depends on how complicated their setup is. InteractiveBastille seems OK for someone who, say, doesn't run any servers, and just runs simple clients to do email and web browsing. If it's not, I imagine the developers would like to know about it. -Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
file permissions problem
I have two accounts on my machine (which is a simple home machine that no one else uses, except for my wife logging in to retrieve her email). I have set the permissions on one of the accounts to rwx--x--x (because my local apache needs execute permission to access files in this account, as I understand it). However, periodically something resets the permissions to rwx --- --- and I cannot access the local web pages. Sometimes this happens within a few minutes of my setting the permissions. What do I need to do to make my file permissions permanent? And what is it that makes the changes? Thanks, - Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re: Look at
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Correctly configuring your mail server can go a long ways to reducing > the spam that you recieve. I'm sure that's true. The problem is there are three kinds of people: experts, people who more or less know what they're doing, and simple home users who don't - like me. When I installed Debian, I spent _a lot_ of time getting exim/fetchmail/procmail/bogofilter to work. Correctly configuring anything is certainly a goal, but just getting it working is nice. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Debian-based distro
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:09:45 +0100 Peter Whysall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on Mon, Aug 11, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Is there a buzzword to reference? > > Yes. Portability. > > The same Debian Installer runs on 11 different architectures. Knoppix > doesn't. > > If a decision was made to break the installer on platforms such as hppa > and sparc in favour of superduper hardware detection on x86, I for one > would be breaking out the torches and pitchforks. Why can't the installer ask what the CPU is and if it's an x86 then use kudzu and if it isn't don't? Wouldn't that work on all platforms? Or can't an x86 CPU be reliably detected? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sarge(testing) dist-upgrade problem?
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:21:29 -0400 (GMT) Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fixed it. Ran an upgrade via aptitude which installed a few packages > but removed none. Now apt-get dist-upgrade thinks everything's up to > date. Must have been some dependency glitch. [snip] > 1 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 96 to remove and 1 not > upgraded. Hnn. So why do I get :- E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed when I do a dist-upgrade? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Virus found in the message
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:08:01 -0700 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a rash of viruses with spoofed origin lines all of a sudden? > > > > I had *120* emails in my other email account today (not the one I use > > on Debian), many of them were Re: Wicked Screensaver. I thought they > > were all spam but I guess they were mostly bounce messages - > > something's been spoofing my (other) email addy. > > Be glad, some roadrunner business customer is spewing a virus to > tons of > people using my address in the from field. As a result I get all the > bounces. > Now ya wanna get the kick in the nads? Is there any way of filtering them that can distinguish between these and genuine delivery failures from messages I have geuninely sent? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quoting
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:29:03 +0200 Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ..top posting will usually cause considerable irritation, especially > for people who pay for their bandwidth, when some idiot go "Me too!!!" > on top of a meg of uselessly formatted quotes, in an non-Wintendo list, Actually, as far as irritation is concerned, I find having to scroll down through large amounts of un-snipped text just to find a "me too" at the end more irritating than if it had been top-posted on an un-snipped message. The normal convention only works well when people snip and reply to the relevant bits underneath. It's non-snipping that's the real problem. It seems virtually to be the norm in many non-computer usenet groups. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quoting
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:03:37 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah. It gets to the point where using the keyboard feels more like > playing the piano. You're no longer typing, you're more doing pretty > simple "chords" on it, thinking not what keys you're pressing, but > what you want it to do. And you're going to be spending as much time > mousing around through a GUI figuring out how it goes together as you A well-designed gui should just be intuitive. > would reading the quick help in a console-based program, so why not go > for the more effective method and ditch the mouse for a minute? > > There's times when a GUI isn't necissarily the best choice. Why not have the best of both worlds and have a nice-looking gui, but use the keyboard to operate it? I'm sure many people do this. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trying to re-exec init
After today's testing upgrade (which included libc6), I see that logcheck reports: init: Trying to re-exec init What does this mean? Did it try and was successful, or did it fail? Is it a good thing for it to be doing? Do I need to do anything about it? Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trying to re-exec init
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 15:24:20 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I think it's just logcheck being excessively paranoid. > > Cheers, > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
logging changes in file permissions
How can I log all changes in file permissions? I am *still* trying to track down the process that is changing the permissions on my /home/user directory against my wishes. I can't see anything in cron.daily that might be doing it. It's very frustrating and inconvenient. Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: logging changes in file permissions
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 04:28:39 -0800 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can I log all changes in file permissions? > > integrit lets you know if they've changed. Thanks. I looked at the webpage, but it wasn't clear to me from that whether it tells you which process made the change. It just says: "you know exactly which files have been modified, added, or removed". -- I know this already. I need to know what does it. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compiling pan
I tried to compile pan 0.13.4, but got a configure error saying that it couldn't find gnet >= 1.1.5 so I installed the unstable version 1.1.7-3. However configure still gives the same error, and also complains about not finding gnet-config. There doesn't seem to be a gnet-config on my system, do I have to create it, or should it come with the package? I'm running, mostly, testing, with gtk2 from unstable. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling pan
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:31:21 +0200 "J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 19:49:49 +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > > I tried to compile pan 0.13.4, but got a configure error saying that > > it couldn't find gnet >= 1.1.5 so I installed the unstable version > > 1.1.7-3. However configure still gives the same error, and also > > complains about not finding gnet-config. There doesn't seem to be a > > gnet-config on my system, do I have to create it, or should it come > > with the package? > > It comes with the -dev package. Most likely you haven't installed > libgnet-dev yet. You're right. I stupidly thought that if a config file was involved, it would come with the main package. All is well now. I'm sure a lot of bandwidth, and angst, could be saved if the error messages made things a little clearer. Thanks, -Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 Hardware Questions (LCD/Wireless Router)
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:53:01 -0500 Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to buy a wireless router and a monitor, and have questions > about both. > > First the router. Looking around, I gather all these routers run > their own networking and encryption software. Having recently > converted to Debian GNU/Linux, I'm bummed at having to give up control > of these features to some hardware I have no real access to, and I > feel just a little suspicious of these closed-platform boxes. On the > other hand, they do seem to be pretty practical devices. So my > question: can anyone share opinions about particular models, or > general criteria to apply in deciding between competing models? I use the Netgear MR314. This seems pretty good to me. But I'm not an expert. It has a web-based setup that allows you to specify things much as you want them. But then I only have very simple requirements. The manual/user guide can be downloaded in pdf format from their website, so you can have a good look at what it does for yourself. > Then the monitor. We've settled on buying an LCD monitor, and I wanted > to check about compatibility before I bought one. I've noticed some > companies talk about "mac compatible" or "linux compatible" products. > Any idea what this means? My impression with ordinary CRT monitors > is, that as long as the cable on the monitor (DVI; VGA, ADC, > whatever) matches the port on your video card, you're OK. Is this not > true of LCD's? Do some of the LCD's require proprietary color > adjustment software, for instance; and if so, are there ways to > compensate under Linux? > I have a 17" Belinea 10 17 20 which I'm very happy with. It's just like a CRT in the respect that you mention. I can't answer your question about colour compensation. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt list-bugs question
When I do and apt-get upgrade, list-bugs produces a short list of bugs and asks me if I want to proceed. However, I'm not sure how to interpret the information it provides. For example, take ssh. Of one bug it says , of the other it says , yet the summary at the end says that ssh has two bugs. Is this a bug in list-bugs, or does not mean that the bug has been fixed? The man page doesn't say what means. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get upgrade advice
I have 50 or so testing packages in line for upgrade. Some of these have grave bugs open. Some have grave bugs I can live with. Some I don't know about. Is there a way of telling apt to upgrade all _except_ a given package? I'm not keen on dealing with packages one by one. Also, am I right in assuming that the #188900 bug is such that I should avoid upgrading binutils? Thanks, -Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade advice
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:04:01 +0200 Wolfgang Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:50:10 +0200, Richard Kimber wrote: > > > I have 50 or so testing packages in line for upgrade. Some of these > > have grave bugs open. Some have grave bugs I can live with. Some I > > don't know about. > > > > Is there a way of telling apt to upgrade all _except_ a given package? > > I'm not keen on dealing with packages one by one. > Hi, > you can tell dpkg to hold one package. Then the package won't be updated > automatically until you change it again. This can also be used if you > want to recompile a program, which other packages depend on, yourself. > To do so, try this: > echo hold|dpkg --set-selections Many thanks. Just one other thing, what is the opposite of 'hold'? The man page only indicates two flags 'hold' and 'reinst-required'. I'm not clear how I permanently "unhold" something. '--force-hold' I assume just overrides the hold for one particular occasion. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade advice
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:29:09 -0400 Graeme Tank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, am I right in assuming that the #188900 bug is such that I > > should avoid upgrading binutils? > > > I find dselect useful in these situations. During package selection, you > can hold a given package. If at a later time you want to unhold it, > well, choose the unhold option. > > I'm using testing: > $ dpkg -l binutils > ii binutils 2.14.90.0.4-0.1The GNU assembler, linker ... > > and bug #188900 seems fixed. > Thanks. But this morning listbugs still says it's open. There isn't much point in having this facility if it doesn't report the true position. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade advice
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:22:22 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 01:12:57PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:29:09 -0400 > > Graeme Tank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > and bug #188900 seems fixed. > > > > Thanks. But this morning listbugs still says it's open. There isn't > > much point in having this facility if it doesn't report the true > > position. > > See bug #195897; apt-listbugs 0.0.20 fixes this. > Thanks. I seem to have got myself into a mess now. When I do an apt-get -u upgrade, I get Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: python-apt: Depends: python (< 2.2) but 2.2.2-6 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. It's not clear to me what the consequences are of doing apt-get -f install python-apt Is this a safe thing to do, or might everything else that depends on the installed version of python be affected? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory
I don't seem to be able to do an upgrade. The system stops with a message:- /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -ne 10 If I try installing apt-listchanges, I get Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: apt-listchanges: Depends: python-apt but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages How do I get round this? I'm running testing. Thanks, - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:56:35 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds like you want to 'dpkg --purge apt-listchanges' to get rid of > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges for now. > > See bugs #172171 and #195429. These both refer to bug #89830, fixed in > apt 0.5.5. Many thanks. That's cleared things up. Should I just wait for 0.5.5 to come into testing, or get it from unstable? - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate from cron -- DON'T DO THAT!
On 21 Dec 2002 19:01:41 -0600 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And that higher stratum server should be that of your ISP, if possible. > IMHO all ISPs should make time servers available to their customers. The local UBR should do that shouldn't it? I'm pretty sure it does with the NTL cable system I'm on. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpdate from cron -- DON'T DO THAT!
On 22 Dec 2002 08:05:55 -0600 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's a UBR? > > > I'm pretty sure it does with the NTL cable system I'm on. > > My ISP certainly doesn't, and I doubt that I could contact with anyone > there who knows what a time server is. The local router that acts as your gateway. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Testing security
I note that fetchmail has a problem, and that we are told:- For the current stable distribution (woody) this problem has been fixed in version 5.9.11-6.2 of fetchmail and fetchmail-ssl. For the old stable distribution (potato) this problem has been fixed in version 5.3.3-4.3. For the current unstable distribution (sid) this problem has been fixed in version 6.2.0-1 of fetchmail and fetchmail-ssl. Where does this leave testing? Some statement would have been nice. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RealOne Player
Has anyone got the RealPlayer working? I can get as far as the registration page, but the OK button is greyed out. Clicking cancel briefly starts the player, but it shuts down after a second or so. Perhaps I'm using the wrong version. I used Linux libc6 i386 from http://forms.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html - Richard. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Video CD software
I'm looking for packages that I might use to create CDs containing a slideshow of photos that I could play on my DVD player. (I'm not referring to the CD burning aspects, but how to create what I would burn on the CD. I use xcdroast for the former). As a complete beginner with video stuff, I have no idea what sorts of packages I might need. I'd be grateful for any suggestions for simple-to-use packages (I don't need anything particularly fancy), and for any links to useful tutorial-type websites. Thanks. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Testing security
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:48:03 +0100 martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > also sprach Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.12.24.1538 > +0100]: > > Where does this leave testing? Some statement would have been nice. > > testing has no security updates, at least not yet. if you are worried, > install the unstable version. The unstable version requires a version of libc6 that hasn't yet made it into testing. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
