(Newbie) Functioning In Debian
Hello, I am a newbie to both Linux and Debian, so let me immediately apologize for my ignorance in my statements! I've tried many distributions, including Red Hat, Mandrake, Lycoris, Lindows, Elx, SuSe, and Vector, and so far I've found Debian to be most to my liking in terms of its excellent philosophy and the unbeatable apt-get system. Trust me, it was a steep learning curve for me, but once I got the hang of it I really liked the control and stability. But I have some concerns. It seems to me, for my purposes, that to function on the internet and interact with the most prominent file types, it's necessary to use non- free or unstable packages. For example, I recently had to apt-get the non free Java (j2re1.3) from blackdown.org because certain websites I frequent wouldn't function without it. From perusing various groups, I've found that there are potential alternatives such as Kaffe for Virtual Machines, but there wasn't enough solid documentation for a newbie like me to be able to get it working under Mozilla (I had a hard enough time figuring out how to symbolically link the Java stuff to Mozilla to get it working--mind you I had no idea what a symbolic link was until doing this). Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media. Am I totally out of luck there? I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM, but it's definitely non-free. I haven't run into needing RealPlayer support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works under debian-mozilla. Please understand that I'm trying to wean myself away from Microsoft products after years of frustration at their software despotism and my lack of control over their annoying software, but I'm having a hard time adapting to the Debian way of life. If I start plugging in all these non-free, non-stable packages into a stable Debian build, then is it really a stable system anymore? Yet it seems like I need to add a lot of these additional packages just to function. I'm confused! Believe me, I'm really, really drawn to Debian and can tell already after just a few weeks of use that I'm a user for life, but I wonder if there's some way to achieve a stable balance. I can live just fine with Gnome 1.4 and Mozilla 1.0, but the other stuff I mentioned earlier is harder to do without. And with all the backports for newer versions like Gnome 2.2 and such, I wonder: is there anyone out there who truly runs a stable-Debian only system? Well, consider this my introduction to the world of GNU/Linux and, especially, Debian. Feels good to be here! Appreciatively and Sincerely, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: update Gnome 2.0 : dependencies
I don't speak German, but I understand your question because I'm getting the same error messages! As a newbie, I have no idea what's causing them or how to fix them... -Original Message- From: X-Debian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: update Gnome 2.0 : dependencies Hi all, ich habe gerade probiert auf Gnome 2.2 upzudaten, gemäß : deb http://people.debian.org/~kov/debian woody gnome2 deb-src http://people.debian.org/~kov/debian woody gnome2 Next, just run: apt-get update apt-get install gnome gdm2 und habe dabei folgendes erzielt : ASUS:/etc/apt# apt-get install gnome gdm2 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gdm2: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgnome2-0 (>= 2.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.0.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.0.4) but it is not going to be installed gnome: Depends: bug-buddy (>= 2.2.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.0.3) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libeel2-2 but it is not going to be installed Depends: eog (>= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-applets (>= 2.0.4-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-panel (>= 2.0.11-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-session (>= 2.0.9-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-system-monitor but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-terminal (>= 2.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-utils (>= 2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgail-gnome0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: nautilus (>= 2.0.7) but it is not going to be installed Depends: yelp but it is not going to be installed Depends: gnome-media (>= 2.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: gedit (>= 2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: file-roller (>= 2.0.4) but it is not going to be installed Depends: system-tray-applet (>= 0.15) but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages ASUS:/etc/apt# Und nun ? SEUFZ ! Gruß Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading from Stable to Testing
Once I've got the Stable release of Woody running, is the best way to move up to the Testing level to simply change my to point to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main and then run apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade If there's a better/more efficient way, please let me know! Thanks! Newbfully, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Upgrading from Stable to Testing
How do the two methods differ? I don't know anything about downreving, so I wasn't aware that modifying my sources.list as outlined below would prevent me from doing that... thanks for the response -Original Message- From: Jeff Hahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Upgrading from Stable to Testing > -Original Message----- > From: M. Kirchhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Once I've got the Stable release of Woody running, is the best way to > move up to the Testing level to simply change my to point > to > > http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main > > and then run > > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade I certainly wouldn't. Maybe you'll want to downrev to a stable package, or use something from unstable. I'd leave all the sources you might possible want to use in sources.list and add the line below to /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release "testing"; -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Laptop (PCMCIA) NIC Suggestions for Woody Stable
Well, I picked up a card for free from a friend. It is the following, and I cannot get it to work under Woody: Compaq Netelligent 10/100 PC Card P/N: 335507-001 I did some searching and found several posts that said these cards are actually Thunder LAN cards, but trying to install the tlan.o modules using modconf failed, and I don't see any Compaq-named modules anywhere in modconf. I'm using the bf24 installation, by the way. Thanks for all help. I'm a total newbie btw, so please be gentle :/ -Original Message- From: Osamu Aoki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Osamu Aoki Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Laptop (PCMCIA) NIC Suggestions for Woody Stable On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:17:18AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I will be inheriting a used laptop in about a week, and I need to purchase a > PCMCIA NIC for it. Any suggestions for one that will work well with Woody > Stable? Thanks everyone! If you are for 10 base T, any name brand card will do. Is your PC CARDBUS compliant? If so look for CARDBUS version and 100 base T version. Any name brand (US/TAIWAN,...) NIC works. Just do not get NIC/MODEM combo or any combo NIC. Too much trouble. Unless you get fancy GIGABIT ethernet card, any normal NIC should work. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
Quoting Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For some apocryphal reason I think I need it for fluxbox to be pretty. > But I might need to rexamine my assumptions :-) > > Or perhaps I'm getting confused when I messed around with xterm's XFT > ability. Depends on what version of fluxbox you're using. Version 0.9.x supports Xft2 type fonts by default; however, the newest version in the Debian tree is 0.1.14x, under Sid... -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scrolling Apps = High CPU Utilization
Quoting David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My guess is that you wind up doing the scrolling operation all in > software with the nv driver, which is why you get that much CPU > usage. I'd guess that switching to the (non-free) NVidia driver would > in fact help you get around this problem. There's not much you could > change in the kernel configuration to improve it, I don't think. Out of curiosity I tried to duplicate the problem on a Windows box at work. Turns out that on a 3.2GHz machine with 512MB RAM and a GeForceMX 5200 with 64MB vRAM running Windows XP, a similar thing happens, although the utilization tops out around 40%. I then tried it on an older box, PIII-733, also running Windows XP. The result: approx. 90% CPU usage when rapidly scrolling. So, I imagine that it's a result of my slightly slow hardware and, as you noted, not using the proprietary nVidia drivers. -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wireless Laptop 802.11b - SUCCESS! (finally)
I am absolutely stunned that I finally got this working. Honestly, I've been hacking here and there, trying to get my laptop to work with my 3COM AirConnect 3CRWE737A 802.11b PCMCIA card for about a month and a half, with no luck and lots of frustration. I know the chipsets/firmware in these cards changes sometimes without the name of the product changing, which can cause problems when referencing various Howtos. The solution that finally worked was the simplest. By using the stock orinoco_cs driver in the bf24 Debian kernel, I'm now able to get an ip address from my WAP, albeit without WEP. The orinoco_cs driver apparently comes from turning on support for HERMES chipset/pcmcia cards during Debian installion (or in kernel recompiling, I imagine). Many of the howtos for this particular NIC suggested recompiling the kernel, using third-party drivers, and all kinds of .conf file hacking. All of those might very well lead to a better connection and better security support, but I'm relatively new to *nix and it was all a bit over my head. After turning on the HERMES/orinoco_cs stuff, it was simply a matter of apt-getting the "wireless-tools" package and running "iwconfig eth0"--it found my WAP automatically and assigned an ip. At any rate, I'm overjoyed to have it working. If anyone has a similar card and similar frustrations, feel free to shoot me an email with questions. Further, if anyone with this model got things working *better*, let me know! I know WEP is easily cracked, but I would still like that false sense of security! Thanks much to the debian-user archives for many bits of knowledge!!! Sincerely, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: wireless configuration questions
Quoting Tim Folger: >>Are there some other parameters or commands I need to enable internet >>access for my wireless network? >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Tim I never messed with *any* config files to get my Orinoco Gold-based Dell Truemobile 1150 Wireless PCMCIA card. I simply activated the Hermes chipset support and driver during the initial Debian install (can also be done by running "modconf" from the command line) and installed "wireless-tools." After that, I ran "cardmgr" from the console and popped in the wireless card. I received two beeps, indicating detection. Finally, I ran "iwconfig eth0," which autodetected everything and captured an IP address. That's it! I've read a lot of documents with notes on editing the config files you mentioned, but I never had to mess with any of it, and I'm running the stock kernel with Woody good luck! -- M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
While looking through the deb-user archives for some font-related info, I discovered that there is still an insane amount of confusion regarding fonts under XFree86. Googling, which new users tend to rely on, results in myriad yet often contracting font guides. The two biggies--The Font De-Uglification HowTo and the Font Howto--are outdated and hopelessly outdated, respectively. They both contain a wealth of important info, but, alas, that info is likely to send new users down a very dark tunnel of inexorable agitation. I know, I was one of them. Another problem with these guides is their breadth--they cover too wide a set of topics, and they are not Debian specific. The closest--and still the best--guide is Paul D. Smith's TrueType fonts guide, but that covers TT fonts only. Ugly fonts bothered me immensely when I first made the switch from Windows to GNU/Linux, and I know how frustrating trying to pull bits of (mostly outdated) information from various howtos can be. So, I plan to create a guide for a very specific group of people: those new to both Linux and Debian--or those who simply want a consise, pithy guide to getting pretty fonts in Debian. This guide will cover *only* stand-alone workstations. As of Xfree 4.x, it is absolutely unnecessary to run a font server if serving fonts isn't a requisite, i.e. most users. It will also cover on Woody stable. There will be no information on configuring fonts for specific applications (not yet, anyway), but simply for X. So, I'd like peoples' thoughts on this. Is it necessary? Should I change the focus, etc. etc. Personally, I feel there needs to be a down-and-dirty guide to fonts to complement the great general information on fonts in the aforementioned guides; something to get new users going without them having to become experts on fontography. Let me know what you think. Sincerely, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
As an addition, note that this guide will cover only the X core font system. AFAIK (and correct me if I'm wrong), fontconfig is not available under Stable, which rules out a discussion of Xft at this time... I'm pledging to keep the guide up-to-date, so at some point it will cover the transition from the core system to the Xft rendering system... -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
Quoting Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on > the list a couple of times. It's available from > http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt and is reproduced below so > people can criticies it more easily :) By jove, you've got it!!! I wish to hell I'd had your guide when I first started mucking with fonts. I think we just need to get your guide into docbook format or something similar and make it more well known. -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
Quoting Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Personally, I think restricting the focus to stable, or just certain > aspects of it, is a bit limiting, but it's your call. I'm the rare breed that actually runs Stable on my production, every-day-use desktop. I'm not a programmer, and I do very little hacking. I enjoy the peace of mind running a nearly crash-proof system gives me. I don't run Gnome or KDE; just Fluxbox from Stable. Perhaps my guide would be too limited for most users, since newbies tend to prefer the more complete environments that Gnome/KDE provide. Alas, Rob Weir seems to have beaten me to the punch (see his reply to my original message). I think some fleshing out and formatting of his guide would be perfect for new users. -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scrolling Apps = High CPU Utilization
First, let me describe the problem: When using the wheel on my logitech wheel mouse (PS/2, ImPS) to scroll up and down in various apps (Mozilla, AbiWord), I see very high CPU activity as reported by "top". The faster I scroll, the higher the CPU utilization. For example, if I continously scroll in either direction, util. quickly reaches upwards of 90+%. As soon as I stop scrolling, util. drops to around the normal 5%. Note that the same thing happens if I drag the scrollbar up and down manually, too, it's just that I generally use the mousewheel instead. Now, let me describe the system briefly: AMD Duron 1.2GHz 768MB PC133 SDRAM nVidia GeForce2 MX 200, 64MB vRAM Debian Woody, stock bf2.4 kernel, stock "nv" video drivers, *no* kernel patches Any ideas why CPU util. is shooting so high? Is that normal? I understand that I'm just using the generic stock "nv" drivers for my video card, but would using the proprietary nVidia drivers make much difference for simple 2D use? Would recompiling my kernel to better suit my platform make a significant difference? Thanks for any hints! Sincerely, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
Quoting Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Rob, thanks for making this available. I have one comment. > On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:33:09PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > > 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they > >look like this > > > > FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" > > FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" > > > >Without the ":unscaled" bit, XFree86 will try to scale these bitmap > >fonts up and down, which usually looks rather horrible. > > > :unscaled is explicitly deprecated in newer versions of XFree86 (e.g., > 4.2.1 that I'm running). README.fonts.gz says > (The `:unscaled' hack, while still supported, > should no longer be necessary in XFree86 4.0 and later.) Amazing! I did not know that, and I'm sure most users weren't aware of that either. Just goes to show you the importance of keeping howtos up-to-date (or reading TFM, but people are more apt to read howtos, methinks, than boring readmes). -M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD writer
Quoting Sidney Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I found a good instruction article on the internet. Care to share the location? I'm sure others could benefit! thanks much --M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unexpected APM functionality after installing gnome2.2 backport
Hello All, I recently picked up a second-hand laptop (IBM Thinkpad 570). I installed Woody per the usual and found that APM seemed to work fine for putting the laptop to sleep. However, when issuing the "halt" command to shut the system down, it would only go as far as saying "Power Down", i.e. I would have to physically flip the power switch to completely shut it down. Completely unrelated, I installed Jamie's backported Gnome2.2 stuff, which went fine. This time when issuing "halt", the laptop completely powered off on its own, much to my surprise. So my question is what is in the Gnome2.2 stuff that would have fixed this on its own, and, more importantly, is it a package that can be installed and used independently from Gnome (say I want to remove Gnome completely and use something like Blackbox for better performace, but still want the system to be able to completely power off on its own). Any suggestions? Thanks! M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fonts: the Neverending Struggle
Hi All, I've spent the last two days scouring Google and the Debian-User archives in search of help with fonts under X (specifically, XFree86 4.2 and Fluxbox 0.1.7-3 under Woody). In my search, I discovered that there is a lack of consistent, up-to-date information. For example, the XFree86 Font De-uglification How-To at TLDP (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/) proved to be the most useful, yet it is almost eight months outdated. Most of the other guides were even older. Even so, I read through most of them, but I'm now more confused than ever, particularly with regard to the various font servers. Just today, however, I discovered a post by Rob Weir(http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200301/msg00729.html), who notes the following: " > Before starting, I should state that I "think" I am running the Xserver > without an additional font server (ie neither xfs or xfs-xtt, not xfstt), as > I can't quite understand why I should need it . I presume that the > libfreetype module loaded by the x-server should suffice.[So if someone can > explain why ought to use pne of the above font servers I would be interested > to listen] AFAIK, this is correct. XFree86 4.0 introduced support for TrueType fonts, so a font server is useless for 99% of users. If you have a bunch of machines, it might be useful to share fonts amongst them, but aside from that, 'no'. " If it's true that font servers aren't really necessary, then what is the easiest way to get good looking fonts simply using the XFree86 config files? Another problem is simply the lack of decent fonts. Most of the guides refer users to the free Microsoft TrueType font pack; however, it seems that those links are all dead now that Microsoft no longer offers them. When I try to do "apt-get install msttcorefonts", I get an error message about them no longer being available (sorry I don't my debian box handy to grab the exact error message). Is there a font-site-to-end-all-font-sites out there somewhere? Font problems seem to be some of the most frustrating and difficult to deal with in regards to Debian and GNU/Linux in general, particularly for newbies like myself. I've heard that the latest versions of distros like RedHat and SuSe offer great font support and goodies like anti-aliasing right out of the box, which is great for recent converts from the Windows world, where good looking type is a no brainer. But for newbies like me who prefer Debian and--especially--who run older hardware and thus prefer more lightweight X managers like Fluxbox over full environments like Gnome or KDE, it's a real pain! Basically, I'm in search of how-tos or any other kind of help that fills the eight-month gap in font coverage in those older how-tos. Thanks to any and all help!!! Sincerely, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unexpected APM functionality after installing gnome2.2 backport
Quoting James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 11:57, M. Kirchhoff wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I recently picked up a second-hand laptop (IBM Thinkpad 570). I installed > Woody > > per the usual and found that APM seemed to work fine for putting the laptop > to > > sleep. However, when issuing the "halt" command to shut the system down, > it > > would only go as far as saying "Power Down", i.e. I would have to > physically > > flip the power switch to completely shut it down. > > > > Completely unrelated, I installed Jamie's backported Gnome2.2 stuff, which > went > > fine. This time when issuing "halt", the laptop completely powered off on > its > > own, much to my surprise. > > > > So my question is what is in the Gnome2.2 stuff that would have fixed this > on > > its own, and, more importantly, is it a package that can be installed and > used > > independently from Gnome (say I want to remove Gnome completely and use > > something like Blackbox for better performace, but still want the system to > be > > able to completely power off on its own). > > Sounds like you had the battery status applet loaded, which would load > the apm module, which would allow the power down. If not using gnome, > just make sure that apm gets started (/etc/init.d/apmd start should be > all there is to it). > > Jamie > > > Thanks! Turns out it *was* simply the apm modules being loaded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: program startup at boot
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > How do I controle it the way program or script will startup at boot every > time > after a reboot or powerfailure > > Ingirafn > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > See the following for a good introduction to runlevels: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html (M) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anti Virus Software
Quoting "Jeffrey L. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Quoting Vivek Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi guys, > > > > Any recommendation for email anti-virus software ?? > > > > Thanks a bunch for your help.. > > > > amavisd-new and ClamAV (free in both senses) and H+BEDV's AntiVir and > F-Prot (both zero cost for personal, non-commercial use). All three > have programs to update the signature database (put them in a cron job). > > OpenAntiVirus (OAV) is free, written in Java, and updated > infrequently. ClamAv takes the OAV database as a starting point and > updates it frequently. Plus is is written in C (less memory and CPU > needed). > > If you were only going to run one, I'd pick AntiVir, F-Prot, and > ClamAV in descending order. However, each has caught a virus that the > other two missed. > > For commercial use, there are several good ones. RAV has just been > acquired by MicroSoft. It is considered likely that Linux support > will be dropped. License term are a major selling point. Licenses > can be per-user, per-server, or per-domain. > > Jeffrey > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Regarding virus protection under GNU/Linux in general, how essential is it? I'm a recent convert from the Microsoft world, where virus protection is essential. I've also heard reports that virus protection under GNU/Linux isn't as necessary, as the typical user has restricted privileges, as well as the fact that most viruses seem to target Microsoft systems. Any thoughts on this? (M) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian
Quoting Mark Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 21:50, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > I have been using Debian for about 18 months now. > > I like it and prefer it to other dristos I have tried. > > > > Today I had to install Redhat 9 on a system. > > It detected everything. A totally good experience installing this os. > > > > I'm not saying I will be moving from Debian to redhat, but I do wish > Debian > > would address the install procedure. > > Wow, there must really be something wrong with me, because I actually > _like_ the debian installer. I find it simple and flexible. Me too! I converted from Windows to Debian just a few months ago, and had few problems with the installer. In retrospect, the problems I encountered were due simply to my ignorance of the kernel and module functionality, not because of some inherent flaw in the design of the installer. Now that I better understand how the Linux kernel functions (along with other general GNU/Linux knowledge I've picked up), installation is a breeze on other machines I setup (M) >I can't say > I have ever tried to install on a machine where I didn't know what > hardware was in it... actually I don't think I've ever _had_ a machine > where I didn't know what hardware was in it. > > > -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
Don Werve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>For those wealthy enough to attend college, many >>will attain near-useless English and Liberal Arts degrees, because >>they >>lack the impetus, drive, and determination to pursue a more difficult >>degree. Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>which means that university entrance standards have to drop >>dramatically and >>the vast majority of students take useless degrees of which the >>canonical example is "media studies". I take great offense at both of these statements. That you assume I lack impetus, drive, and determination, simply because I hold a Bachelor of Arts in English, stuns me. In fact, I left my studies in Computer Engineering after two years at one of the top-rated science/engineering schools in the U.S., as I felt that a myopic education dedicated to study of engineering/science/math could not meet my desire for a wide breadth of study. Only when I began my degree in Liberal Arts did I find what I consider an important balance of theory and practice, of objective and subjective analysis. To continue on a path unfulfilling of my needs in order to fetch a high-paying position would have reflected a lack of determination and drive. Instead, I chose the difficult path. I can only assume that by "useless" you mean "will not earn as much money as one trained in a specific area of science/technology," and not "unworthy of study," as I have found my studies in the Arts just as applicable to my worldview as my studies in the Sciences, if not more so. If anything, the U.S. school system suffers from a dearth of Liberal Arts education (I speak of a truly "liberal" arts, including studies in the sciences). Perhaps I'm singular in this regard, but I did not attend college to be trained, but rather to develop and strengthen those skills essential to leading the most informed, conscious, "examined" life possible. The "holier than though" attitude of much of the technocentric population frustrates me endlessly. I'm offended both as a proponent of the Liberal Arts *and* as one who believes in the importance of science and technology; attacked on one side, flanked by disbelievers on the other... -- M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP & Debian Woody
Out of personal curiosity, I will be conducting an experiment this weekend that may perhaps turn into a larger project. My very cooperative wife will be attempting to install Windows XP Professional and then Debian Woody--both from scratch--on one of our home computers. The impetus for this experiment hearkens back to my early days of Linux use, less than a year ago. At the time, I was using Microsoft Windows (XP at work, 98SE/2000 at home) for all of my computing needs, despite constant problems with crashing, BSODs, and general unproductivity. Eventually I resolved to try GNU/Linux. Unlike most *nix newbies, the first distribution I tested was Debian Woody. After forty-five frustrating minutes, I gave up and headed to a local bar for a pint of Guinness. Or five. After trying RedHat, SuSE, and Mandrake, I settled on the latter, as it proved the easiest to install, finding and configuring all of my system components without err. Why the hell had I wasted my time with Woody's archaic text-based installer? Why would anyone want to use such a hideous distribution? Two months later, I--like so many others before me--came crawling back to Debian, my hands weary from long hours spent fighting RPM dependency hell, instability, package conflicts, and a general lack of consistency. Why the hell had I wasted two months with a distribution backed by no clearly defined policy, that favored "newness" and sex-appeal over stability and performance? Why would anyone want to use anything *but* Debian? Since my return to Debian, I have used it exclusively at home, on both desktops and laptops, without regret. For the first time, I can actually get things done with my systems, rather than constantly fighting just to keep them functioning. My wife is now in the same boat that I was a year ago: fed up with Microsoft and ready for something different. As a result, I will in the coming months be teaching her what I have learned from personal experience and from, especially, the inimitable Debian user community. One of the biggest complaints lodged about Debian is that the installation process proves difficult for most users and that Windows XP is infinitely easier to get up and running. Well, this weekend I plan to test that claim. My wife has only general experience with computer technology, using PCs at work and home for word processing, email, and internet access. She has never installed an operating system from scratch, which makes her an ideal candidate for such an experiment. Is Windows XP truly easier to install than Debian? What parts of each are the most confusing? The most straightforward? Time providing, I'll also follow how she progresses with getting each system configured for her use, i.e. installing a word processor, configuring a ppp dial-up connection, etc. I'll post the results to this list (perhaps a weblog of sorts as well, again, time providing) following the initial experiment. I *must* be a geek to be excited about this already. It's only Wednesday! -- me Kirchhoff - "moai" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Downside to Aptitude?
I've recently started using aptitude from the console instead of apt-get for package management on my Woody systems. I find some of the features, like the ability to do a "--with-suggests", quite useful. It seems like Aptitude does a better job of handling dependencies as well. Are there any pitfalls when using Aptitude to manage a system? For example, running aptitude update && aptitude upgrade instead of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Is Aptitude being pushed as the replacement for dselect, or perhaps as an eventual replacement for apt-get? Thanks for any thoughts. -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'tar' and retaining permissions
If I wish to make a bzipped tar archive of all my user's files in the /home tree, in addition to preserving permissions, access times, and ownership, would the following be appropriate? tar cjpf backup.tar.bz2 /home --atime-preserve --same-owner Thanks for any tips -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recommended Gnome Install Method Under Sid
To install Gnome under Sid, is it recommended to simply do: apt(titude)-get install gnome-desktop-environment Or is it better to install things piecemeal: apt(titude)-get install gnome-core gdm etc. Thanks for any suggestions -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aptitude and synaptic
Does Synaptic's ability to "remove including any orphaned dependencies" do as good a job as the inate abilities of aptitude? I've recently abandoned apt in favor of aptitude for its ability to track and automatically remove unneeded dependencies. However, I really like Synaptic, but want to be sure it can deal automatically with dependencies as well. This is all under Sid, by the way. -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody with Gnome2.4 Backport or Sarge?
A friend of mine is interested in migrating from WinXP to Debian. I suggested that Woody is ideal for the most secure, stable environment, but he balked at the ugly Gnome1.x. My question is thus: is it better to install Woody and backports of Gnome2.4, Mozilla, Pan, and other of his assorted favorites, or simply go with Sarge? Gnome2.x comprises such a large number of packages that I question the stability of its backport, not to mention the other additional backports. Thoughts? Thanks as always -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody-->Sid - any current gotchas?
Jonathan Matthews jaycee.uklinux.net> writes: > I'm guessing > that means something Gnome 2.4-y, which I'm only really going to get in > Sid. (This isn't the main point of this email, but am I right here?) > Also (it's been so long > since I did it last) is it recommended to go Woody->Sarge->Sid, or is > Woody->Sid preferred? 2.4 is in Sarge as well, but is currently pretty broken (i.e. `gnome-core` is still version 1.4). It's possible to install it piecemeal, however. I went from a slim Woody install to Sid just yesterday via `apt-get -u dist-upgrade` without any problems. From there just do `apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment` to get a good initial Gnome desktop. You can also do `apt-get install gnome`, which includes some other apps like Evolution, RhythmBox, etc. You can check status of Gnome at the DebianWiki also, although no one else seems to contribute to it so I can't guarantee its accuracy! http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome -- M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Preferred PPPoE Tool (Was Recommended ISP's)
Paul Johnson ursine.ca> writes: > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 10:47:33AM -0500, John Kerr Anderson wrote: > > We're thinking of switching to charter cable internet, but rumour is > > they're partnered with Micro$oft. Any recommendations??? > > Actually, they're not partnered with Microsoft. Paul Allen just has > many interests: He's got some major interest in Charter, I think he's > on the board. He owns the Portland Trail Blazers and the Seattle > Seahawks. He's a cofounder of Microsoft. He's in charge of TechTV. > If anything, you want to support Charter, because it gives Allen a > viable exit strategy should he want to de-Borg himself. > We'll soon be picking up DSL soon. Is there a particular DSL/PPPoE "KillerApp" that is easy to setup and use? One of our two laptops in the house is WinXP, so I'm not worried about compatibility there, but mine is running Debian Sid. I've not used DSL under Linux before. Any suggestions? Thanks, M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Preferred PPPoE Tool (Was Recommended ISP's)
Paul Johnson ursine.ca> writes: > PPPoE is a classic sign > that the ISP is deliberately overselling their network and needs a > convienent way to "drop" your connection when you've been online "too > long." > According to DSLreports.org, the "bridged" type ADSL connections no longer exist. All new ADSL installations are of the PPPoE breed. If their information is accurate (http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1416), that truly stinks. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Semi-Old Video Card Recommendation
I'm in the market for a new video card, so I'm fishing for suggestions. I will mostly be working in 2D apps (mainly internet, office apps). I do *not* intend to play any taxing 3D games such as Quake or Counter-Strike; however, I would like to do some video editing (transferring home movies to DVD or VCD, perhaps some DVD ripping). Ideally, I'd like to run at 1600x1200 or higher on a 20" monitor at 24bit color depth. Would a pre-Radeon ATI card or pre-GeForce3 nVidia card do the trick? Would I need to bother with compiling the proprietary drivers if not using 3D apps? In perusing the list archives, I see that the newer ATI/nVidia cards will not even work without grabbing XFree 4.3 from Experimental, so I'd rather use an older card that works out of the box with Sarge/Sid and kernel 2.4.x, particularly if I don't need to extra power of the newer cards. Thanks for any suggestions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True-type fonts from Windows
> # apt-get install msttcorefonts > > -Roberto Make sure you have `contrib` in your sources.list file. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie needs help
Jaume Alonso wanadoo.es> writes: > > Hi! > Well, today I've installed Sarge and finally all went OK (it was the > third time I tryed it). But I have a problem: > > GNOME 2.4 does not work. Gnome is semi-broken under Sarge. See the DebianWiki Gnome page for further details from Colin Watson: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Semi-Old Video Card Recommendation
Ryan Mackay technine.org> writes: > If i was you, i would take the best of both worlds and go with a GeForce > 4 MX440 If I'm install Woody from scratch, will the stock `nv` driver work fine with the above card until I can finish the installation and grab the newer drivers? thanks much --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: features in galeon-1.2.5 vs 1.3.11+, was: Status of Galeon in testing?
Arnt Karlsen c2i.net> writes: > ..last time I saw Galeon mentioned here, the word was 1.2.5 was the > best Galeon ever made, as later versions lost functionality etc, what's > it like now? It feels more like Epiphany than 1.2.5, but the developers wanted to "start from scratch" and slowly add features. Their goal is still to create a power user's browser. There's a good interview with the developers here (about 7 months old): http://galeon.sourceforge.net/links/interview_2003-07.php --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Versions
Pedro Hernandez yahoo.es> writes: > Hello all! > > I am new to Debian and feel somewhat confused over the versions of some > packages. For example the package for courier-imap state version > 1.4.3-2.3 while the lates stable version of the software appeare to be > 2.2.1 which seems to be quite a great difference. Why aren't there > packages with newer versions available? If you want the newest software available, Sid/Unstable is where you want to be. `Unstable` is a misleading term; really, it's more `volatile` than unstable, that is, packages move into Sid/Unstable constantly, so the environment is in a constant state of flux, but I've been running Sid/Unstable on one of my machines for about 8 months now without any major problems. You do need to be willing to stay on top of security issues, however, because unlike Woody/Stable and Sarge/Testing, Sid/Unstable does not provide a security patch repository. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VoodooLinux Debian Systems
Has anyone purchased or used systems from www.voodoolinux.com? They have quite a few custom-built systems, most of which run Debian (for example, http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/437). Their rating at www.resellerratings.com is very high, but I'm curious if anyone here has used them. thanks P.S. No, I do not work for them! --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kill process by name
Rick Weinbender central-ph.k12.mo.us> writes: > to kill a process by name? man killall --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME 2.4 for Sarge...when?
Jaume Alonso wanadoo.es> writes: > I'm a newbie in debian. I'm currently using Sarge. When will I be able > to install the new GNOME 2.4?? This has been discussed several times in the past 48 hours. Check the archives... --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: zero swap free
Alvin Oga ns.Linux-Consulting.com> writes: > you should avoid using swap ... > - if you have 64MB of swapp used, you should add a stick of 64MB > - if you have 128MB of swap used, you should add a stick of 128MB > > if you use swap.. you'd just run slower ... Are you suggesting not having a swap partition at all, or just stuffing the system with enough memory to ensure that the swap isn't used extensively? --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to find Ncurses libararies/Compile Kernel
Forest Fisher oberlin.edu> writes: > I'm trying to upgrade from the 2.4.18 kernel that installs with the > bf24 flavor to hopefully a 2.6.1 kernel but at the very least, a http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to upgrade to 2.4.23 (or .18) kernel
brfg3 at yahoo yahoo.com> writes: >Is there someway to install a 2.4.18 kernel while installing from the cd, and >maybe avoidthis hassle?TIA ! Boot from the install CD and read the Help; you'll see how to install a 2.4.18 kernel from the get-go. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Versions
Monique Y. Herman bounceswoosh.org> writes: > Why not just call it "bleeding-edge"? That would be pulling stuff from Experimental :) I still think Unstable is quite stable, with only a small amount of diligence. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
Quoting Leo Spalteholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On June 22, 2003 04:00 pm, Brian McGroarty wrote: > > vrms (99.5%) keeps me warm at night. :-( > > Root mean square voltage? > damn I've been doing too many engr labs.. :P > > ~leo vrms = Virtual Richard M. Stallman -- it's a package that checks the number of packages from the non-free source tree are installed on your system :) (M) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian
Quoting "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 03:21:39PM -0700, John Sunderhaus wrote: > > > But your point is well taken; you can productively run X on an > > underpowered machine - but I'll bet you aren't happy. > > I'd bet quite the contrary. Chances are they use it because they *are* > happy with it. I much prefer my Blackbox based X configuration to > anything else available for Windows, Mac, or Linux. Why? Because it's > what *I* chose. Not what someone else decided I should use. Does it > have all the latest eye candy? Hell *no*. That's one of the main > reasons I use it. I don't want all that extra overhead (and yes, my > system has more than enough processor power to spare). The point is, > it's all about choice. Ditto. My PII-366 ThinkPad with 128MB RAM runs Fluxbox on X like a champ. So does my Athlon 1.2Ghz desktop with 768MB RAM; I don't feel the need to run a bloated desktop environment simply because my hardware can handle it. M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: memory leaks
Quoting Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Also remember that when trying to diagnose the problem "no memory" is > normal. Linux (the kernel) will use as much memory as it can get away with > for buffers and caching. I'm hopping in at the middle here so you might > have mentioned that you're aware of that but it bears repeating for any others > following the conversation who is not aware. It truly is one of the most > FAQs when it comes to Linux. > >As such when checking free use the figures on the 2nd line: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/News/Pan} free > total used free sharedbuffers cached > Mem:904592 854808 49784 0 27572 439384 > -/+ buffers/cache: 387852 516740 > Swap:65520 58332 7188 > Just to make things completely clear (I'm a newb), you're saying that the actual amount of RAM not being used by a specific process is 516740? Thanks -- M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I have a problem with this list
Quoting Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think that it used to be that when I posted to this > list, my message would be returned to me from the server at > the time that it was sent out to everyone else on the list. > Now that is not happening. Now, when I post, I see nothing > on the list, but my message is showing up in the archives. > Which is the correct behavior of the list? > > I would like to see my message show up. The message in my > inbox is a nice anchor for collecting replies. But if policy > is to not echo the message, what is recommended as a way to > collect in one place the replies to a request for advice? > > Sorry for the several test messages. I had a question about > exim that I posted, and from my vantage point, it never > showed up on the list (and I never got replies). I thought > maybe I had messed up my email config while poking at the > exim issue. Now I know that I'm simply not getting an echo > of my message, but why? > I'm having similar issues. The last few messages I've sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] do not show up on the email list, yet appear in the archives, which makes it seem like my messages aren't being echoed, as Paul noted...assuming anyone gets this message, thanks for any ideas! -- M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxPython not in debian?
Quoting Alfredo Valles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all: > The problem is that there is no wxPython or related package in debian!!!?? > Is this true or I'm missing something? > Alfredo The following copied verbatim from http://www.wxpython.org/download.php : "Debian users can get wxPython from the Debian pacakge distribution system. It can be found here, or you can just use: apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python NOTE: The .deb packages described above are not in 'stable' but either 'testing' or 'unstable.' If someone has the time, ability and desire to provide up to date .deb packages of wxPython built for the 'stable' version of Debian, please make yourself known. " -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt resources
Quoting james leclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hello all. Can anyone suggest, or would you even recommend at all for that > matter, some good non-official apt sources for debs that are not officially > supported by the project? Particularly for software that is not available > in any of the current active branches of woody. And while were on the topic > of apt, how could i specify two or more repositories for packages in my > sources file and have it ask me from which one to retrieve from when doing > an update or install? I don't mean in the sense where I provide 2 or more > mirrored repositories for the sake of redundancy and fault tolerance, but > for the sake of say references to both testing and unstable(or in the case > of my original question an official site and a non-official one) in my > sources list and apt requesting me to specify which location to pull from. > I think I may have heard it referred to as "pinning". Is this correct? > Well, thanks in advance to any advice or suggestions any of you may have, I > know you all have an opinion:) This mailing list is great. Long live Debian! > Regarding "pinning", see the following: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html#FOLLOWING -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: deb http://people forbidden
Quoting Marcelo Chiapparini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > Anybody knows what's the problem with people.debian.org? I have the > following line in my apt.souces: > > # xfree 4.2.1 for Woody. Gnome 2.2 needs it... > deb http://people.debian.org/~blade/woody/i386 ./ > > and I get the following message when I run "apt-get update": > > Err http://people.debian.org ./ Packages >403 Forbidden > > Thanks, > > Marcelo > It's not people.debian.org that's the problem. The following from Blade's site: "The backports of XFree86 are no longer maintained by me. You can use the builds from other maintainers, eg. from Adrian Bunk: deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free deb-src http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free For more apt-Sources, visit http://www.apt-get.org"; -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /. debate
Quoting Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 09:00:18PM -0600, Brian Gonzales wrote: > > Ok, how many of you participated in the /. debates over the weekend? :) > > What were they about? The impending death of Debian (according to the author): http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/30/0223205&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=185&tid=90 -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openbox3
Quoting gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does anyone know if there is a deb of openbox3? > I don't believe so. It was just released as source on 29 June...doubt anyone has created a .deb package yet. I'm excited to try it, though; supposedly version 3 is written from scratch. -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3
Quoting Joeri De Backer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > Is there anybody who can tell me if it's possible to install > XFree86 version 4.3? If so: how? :-) > By Googling ;) First result from search on "xfree 4.3 debian" http://www.linuxcompatible.org/print17614.html -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automount
Quoting JZidar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there an app or trick that would enable to just pop a cd or floppy in the > drive and use it without the need for mount and unmount every time? Can be > this built-in in the kernel? Did you Google? I searched on "linux automount" and uncovered several documents in about 10 seconds: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/mini/Automount.html -- M. Kirchhoff ( .:moai:. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A user needs the admin password like nitroglycerine needs a good shake" -- BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome
Vikram eastlink.ca> writes: > I tried searching everywhere on Debian website without any luck, or may be I > was not looking at the right place, but what is the version of Gnome that > comes with Debian Woody 3.0 revision 2? Be sure to consult the Debian Gnome Wiki: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning Scheme for New 120GB Hard Drive -- Comments?
Karsten M. Self ix.netcom.com> writes: > > Updated at http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixPartitioning > Thanks for updating your info. Partitioning tends to confuse recent Windows converts or those, like me, who started experimenting with Linux using a simple two-partition configuration (root and swap). It's nice to have a well-informed, detailed guide. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
Patrik Lindahl home.se> writes: > > I hope this is the right forum for this... Send a message to the debian-legal list. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia
Preben Ingebricson cognita.no> writes: > Is nvidia not supported by > XFree86? I have a GeForce4 MX440 card; it works under XFree86 4.3, which is now available in the Unstable/Sid release. I'm running Testing/Sarge, so I simply pulled in the Sid packages via apt-pinning (apt-get install -t unstable x- windows-sytem). YMMV --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Portable Hardware
Stephen Turner myrealbox.com> writes: > I thinking about buying some form of portable hardware for my linux > system. You might also consider a DVD+/-RW drive. Sony has both an internal and an external model. Prices are very reasonable now; the internal (DRU-510A) can be had for under $150US. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Urgent maybe simple request
Ina Mentis gmx.de> writes: > Hi there, > Is there a dual Xeon or quattro CPU Serverboard that is supported by Debian > Linux ? Hi there, I'd check out the list of hardware providers on debian's page: http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed They have Danish and German suppliers. Perhaps contact some of those companies. They'd most likely have up-to-date info on Debian-supported hardware. Good luck! --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: game
Dr Gavin Seddon man.ac.uk> writes: > Can anyone suggest a good game that isn't just mindlessly shooting > stuff. Late reply, I know, but thought I also suggest The Linux Game Tome at www.happypenguin.org. They maintain categorized lists of games that run on GNU/Linux. Happy gaming --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mobo with fan controls
Hugo Vanwoerkom care2.com> writes: > I am looking for a mobo that has controls on for all its fans so they > can be turned off or down when not needed, like the laptops do. You'd be better off with a separate fan-control system. Something like the following: http://store.yahoo.com/directron/nxp301.html I've actually been putting together a "quiet" system myself, so let me add a few other things. 1. Get a passively cooled video card. These are hard to find off the shelf now, as most of the newer cards get really hot and thus have HSFs. You can, however, replace the HSFs with rather intricate passive cooling systems. 2. Get quiet hard drives, like the Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 line. 3. The power supply is often overlooked, even though they are often one of the noisiest components. I've found Zalman and Enermax to be a reliable producer of quiet PS's. Mine is the Enermax EG36P-VE(FMA). 4. Get a mobo that has a passively cooled North Bridge. Many of the newer boards come with HSFs instead of just a heat sink, which adds to the noise. 5. Don't overclock! The proc fan is *the* screamer on most systems. Keep it at the rated frequency and use a massive heatsink and a low-rpm fan. 6. Get yourself a solid case. Lian-Li makes some of the best. Mine is quite nice, a "quiet" model with a closing front door that hides my ugly, mismatched bay drives: http://store.yahoo.com/directron/pc6070.html Good luck! --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-head (non-Xinerama) window managers
Ramin Motakef motakef.de> writes: > > The short story, for those who don't want to read my ramblings and > > eexperiences: if you are using a window manager in a dual/multi-head > > configuration without Xinerama, and you are happy with it, please > > let me know which one you use and possibly share your configuration If you want to customize every aspect of your WM, I'd suggest FVWM2 (www.fvwm.org). It predates most other WMs, but is still in active development, and supports Xinerama. Have a look at the desktop screenshots on the website and you'll see just how tweakable it is. Good luck --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help on compiling new kernel
Jens Simmoleit anymotion.de> writes: > Does somebody know a really good Howto, which explains how > to compile a kernel step by step? Yes, check the Kernel Compiling How-to at the Newbiedoc project: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel 2.6: swap file or partition?
Under the 2.6.x kernel, is it advisable to just create a swap file (via dd) rather than using an actual partition, perhaps with swapd to keep things safe? --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome without evolution?
Monique Y. Herman bounceswoosh.org> writes: > What are the drawbacks of just uninstalling the gnome package and > keeping the packages on which it depends (except for evolution and > certain others)? Just do `aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment` and you won't get Evolution, Gnome-office, GnuCash, etc. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
Krikket gothpoodle.com> writes: > LibraNet looks good, but I don't want to pony up some cash until I know > which branch it's based on. Similar difficulties with Mepis and Xandros. The maintainers of LibraNet recently created their own repository of Debian packages. They mix testing/unstable; however, if changes to either of those repositories will cause broken dependencies, they delay those changes in their own repository. LibraNet is a good choice if you want ease of use out of the box. I've been playing with Debian for maybe 18 months now. I've also tried just about every variant of it (Knoppix, Morphix, Gnoppix, Lindows) and most of the other popular distros. In the end, I've always come back to good ol' Debian. Installation may be trickier than other distros (although that's changing with the new Sarge installer), but once you're up and running, it's a beautiful thing. And the community is fantastic and immensely helpful, as long as you ask informed questions. Slackware taught me to hate Linux. SuSe taught me to like it. Debian showed me its true power and grace. Viva la Debian! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: video card compatibility
Ashley Mervyn Graham optonline.net> writes: > im in the mood for another video card, my current is buggy with the Any nVidia GeForce4MX 440 based card should do just fine. I've got an Albatron branded one that works just spiffy. You can use the generic `nv` driver, or you can download the proprietary ones from the nVidia website (they install with a quick install script). Mine was $70 from NewEgg.com, I believe. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended reading?
Steve Hargreaves hargreavess.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that O'Reilly's _Running Linux_ got me started. There's lots of Debian-specific information within as well. I still refer to it now and then. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
Monique Y. Herman bounceswoosh.org> writes: > > On 2004-02-09, Andreas Janssen penned: > > [snip] > > > I think discover can also run at boot time and load the drivers for > > you. > > I just set up linux from scratch on a machine using the netinstall CD , > and it gave me the option to do this. Sound, network, etc were all > there without me having to figure out which modules If I'm working on unfamiliar equipment, I usually slap in a G/Knoppix LiveCD and make note of the output from `lspci`, `lsmod`, etc., making Debian installation a snap. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
Nano Nano <40119.nospam comcast.net> writes: > This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play > extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases, though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows, Linux, and Mac... --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hp deskjet 600c please help
Sanjay Chigurupati lntinfotech.com> writes: > Please help me configure my deskjet 600c, I keep finding lists every > like here Have you tried the following HOW-TO to ensure you've got all the necessary components? http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts, one more time
yahoo.com> writes: > What does it take to fix this problem? Help test the new Sarge installer or work on other packages to expedite its release :) Since Sarge includes Gnome 2.4 and KDE 3.x, fonts *will* look good out-of-the-box, thanks in part to the high-quality bitstream-vera set of fonts. XFT does a lot for making fonts "easy." --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge dist-upgrade wants to remove KDE
Kjetil Kjernsmo kjernsmo.net> writes: > I'm tracking Sarge now, and for the past couple of days, when I tried > dist-upgrade, it has wanted to remove pretty much every KDE package on > my system... Make sure to check the DebianKDE Wiki page as well: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Partitioning Scheme for New 120GB Hard Drive -- Comments?
I've been using GNU/Linux now for 18 months, and Debian for about 12. Currently, my workstation hard drive is partitioned simply: /dev/hda1 => / /dev/hda2 => swap I just purchased a new 120GB IDE drive, however, and would like to partition it more effectively, now that I'm more comfortable with Debian and GNU/Linux in general. Here's my proposed scheme, based on Karsten's guide--out-of-date, but useful nonetheless: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html 20GB => WinXP (unless by some stroke of fortuity Half-Life2 is ported to Linux) 150MB => / 100MB => /boot 1GB => /tmp 1GB => swap 1GB => /var 20GB => /usr 5GB => /usr/local ~70GB => /home Notes about my usage: 1. I'm not a programmer. The most hacking I do is basic bash scripting. 2. I do play games, mostly on the Windows side. However, newer games are more often being ported to Linux (Everquest, Unreal, etc.), so I'd like room to grow for those typically large installations. 3. I'm not running any servers on this box (mail, apache, etc.). Those are all hosted elsewhere. Does this look like a suitable configuration? Any suggested adjustments? I know that partitioning schemes have been generically discussed ad nauseam, so I tried to be as specific as possible about my usage. Thanks as always --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
