Re: Can't start X with Nvidia
On Sunday 19 January 2003 06:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > My module is called nvidia and not NVdriver. I think the problem is that > you are loading a module called NVdriver and you have nvidia listed as the > driver in the X config file. Maybe try changing the Driver in X to > NVdriver to see if that works. Or I guess you could put an alias in so > that nvidia would be the same as NVdriver. NVDriver is the linux kernel module. nvidia is the X display driver. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SNMP on Debian
On Thursday 30 January 2003 08:54, Reaz Baksh wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to setup a Debian system that would act as an SMNP Server(?), > the unit that will be receiving traps from various Windows NT machines. > > What is out there that would enable me to do this? I believe snmpd, which is available via apt-get, will do you want. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing font size in galeon menu
On 2003.01.01 07:28 Sridhar M.A. wrote: Hi, I would like to know how does one change the size of the menu font in galeon and other gnome apps like gaim, etc. They are too tiny for my taste. My current setup is `testing' running gnome2. Go to Desktop | Theme Selector in Gnome Control Center, select the 'Use custom font' checkbox, then press the font button to choose which font (including font family and size) to use. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntpd; local clock reference 127.127.1.0
On 2002.12.31 17:51 Brenda J. Butler wrote: I get the following in my logs [manually wrapped for legibility in email] Dec 31 15:44:27 seal ntpd[17700]: attempt to configure \ invalid address 127.127.1.0 when I set the following in /etc/ntp.conf: server 127.127.1.0 fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 Why? Aren't x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 reserved (broadcast and something else; don't recall what the 'something else' is) ? If you're trying to reference localhost, I think you want 127.0.0.1. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get (status file) broken?
On 2002.12.31 00:25 Adahma wrote: I get the following error when trying to use apt-get or dselect: Hit http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free Release Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing liblircclient0 (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. I'm running Sid. I have not seen any related list traffic on such an error, so I'm guessing it's just my system, and a hosed file. Can anyone give direction on how I might rectify such a problem? I've gotten this when the package cache starts to get largish. I suspect this is an implementation mis-feature, where it tries to store the entire package repository in memory, or something like that. I work around it by periodically (i.e., when I get the Dynamic MMap error) cleaning out the cache via 'apt-get clean'. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running openoffice as regular user?
On 2002.05.10 17:34 Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Fri, 10 May 2002 16:03:27 -0500 "DvB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've installed openoffice from the unofficial source and, now, if I run > it as root, it works but if I run it as a regular user, its attempt to > install inself into that user's home directory (which, IMO, is stupid > since root appears to run it from /usr) fails while trying to copy > files. Has anyone figured out how to fix this? If by "official source" you mean the binaries or files directly from OpenOffice.org, you need to do a net install or have each user do a full install. For more information check out: IMO, OpenOffice is BAD (Broken as Designed) for multi-user operating systems. It is designed from the ground up to emulate MS Office. It assumes 1) that it is going to be running on a workstation, 2) that there is only one user on that workstation, and 3) that the user who installed it is the same user who is going to use it. This is not UNIX-specific, as far as I know. You would probably run into the same issue if you intalled it on Win2k as Administrator then tried to run it as an unpriveledged user. I would recommend either installing KOffice, AbiWord/Gnumeric, or some other office suite that plays well in a multi-user environment, or installing OpenOffice as an unpriveledged user and install it in your home directory. I have had to do the latter, as I need access to more advanced features than AbiWord currently supports (most notably, support for tables in word documents) and it seems to work Okay for the most part. Version 1.0 even adds a set of .desktop entries to your 'Favorites' menu under Gnome (I assume it does something similiar under KDE). HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: text converted into bar codes - tough reading !!
On 2002.05.11 08:57 shamad wrote: Ian, thanks! Please bear with me but how can I cahnge the font in command line mode? I'm sure it is very basic but I am (unluckily) style a GUI type of guy.. Good question! The changes I made were in Gnome (which only effects the GUI). Only thing I can think of is maybe trying out different TERM settings. Check out /etc/terminfo for a list of installed terminal types. Hopefully, someone who is a little more clueful will respond... HTH, Ian Thanks - Serge - Original Message - From: "Ian D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "shamad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: text converted into bar codes - tough reading !! > On 2002.05.11 04:31 shamad wrote: > > With SID some of the fonts look like bar codes not all > > As an eemple in the Gnome Control Center all text in the right window > > is > > readable, in the left window unreadable (bar codes) > > Interestingly, if open a window ( bash.. whatever else) and move it > > over > > the 'bar codes' suddenly they get converted in readble text. > > I ran into this problem with colored fonts using ISO 10681 (I think > that's what it is). I converted over to 8859-1, and the blocks went > away. Think it might have had something to do with the former being a > unicode font (i.e., 2 bytes v. one). > > > HTH, > Ian > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File size limit exceeded
On 2002.05.12 02:16 Dr. Christoph H. LARSEN wrote: Everything went well, until I wanted to format a hard drive. By then mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mkfs.reiserfs, and even mkfs.vfat and mkfs.msdos gave me the error message: File size limit exceeded As this error has never occured prior to my recent library update I presume that there must be a bug in the latter. Any idea how to fix or avoid it? Run lsof (should reside in /usr/sbin/lsof) to get a list of the open files. I ran into this problem because wmheader (which runs once every 30 minutes) failed to clean up after itself. If you find you have similiar problem, you'll need to kill the running processes then remove the cron entry (look in /etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.daily and /etc/cron.weekly). HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File size limit exceeded
On 2002.05.13 07:44 Dr. Christoph H. LARSEN wrote: Hi Ian, Thanks for your prompt reply. Problem: I do not have wmheader program anywhere ;-(. There must be another reason why I get this silly eror message. Any thoughts? Thanks a million. Have you tried running lsof? That would be your best bet for tracking down the culprit(s) Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Small footprint window manager
On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade possible). FWIW, I've successfully run X (3.3.6) on a P75 w/16MB RAM (2.2 kernel, glibc) using IceWM. So long as you don't run any bloatware (Gnome/KDE, Office suites, etc), this should be more than up to the task. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: frustration with dselect automatic package selection
On 2002.05.14 14:32 David Roundy wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 10:53:53AM -0400, Federico Grau wrote: > > When I install a system (especially servers), I tend to choose the > task-sel path and unselect everything, with the goal of getting the most > minimal installation as possible. Then as I need packages I will apt-get > them as needing them. > > I occasionally use dselect because it has some niceties which apt-get > does not have... however the firt time I run it, it has the "default > package selection" already set to install?! Is there a way to tell > dselect to ignore the default package selection other than paging up and > down and unselecting every item? I know this isn't an answer to your question, but my recommendation would be to try aptitude. It's much easier to use (at least for me) than dselect, and doesn't always want to install suggested packages (unless you tell it to). If you're running Gnome, there's also a nice graphical interface (apt-gnome, I believe) HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good choice of network card?
On 2002.05.14 17:19 Vineet Kumar wrote: * Alex Hunsley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020514 13:27]: > General question: under debian, can I find out what IRQs are assigned to what > devices? cat /proc/pci (not debian-specific; should work on any linux with a /proc filesystem and pci support) /proc/interrupts may be a little closer to the mark if you're just interested in IRQ assignments. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IRC
On 2002.05.15 05:31 Ulf Rompe wrote: Tommi Komulainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. There is irssi-gnome and irssi-gtk in Debian also but they are >*ancient*. Don't use them. What I love about irssi-gnome is it's panel applet. I tend to keep some not really busy channels open while doing my work. Doing work needs screen real estate, so it is nice to have just an applet that notifies me when there is traffic in a channel and that shows me the new messages just by hovering over it with the mouse pointer. Oh man, that would come in so handy! Wonder if there's something like that available for XChat? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bastille deb (testing) hosed?
On 2002.05.14 20:45 Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2002, "cj" == Colin Watson wrote: cj> The maintainer just mailed me to say that a new package cj> is available, and he'd like you to test it out. Only one perl booboo remains: "Using Tk user interface module. "Only displaying questions relevant to the current configuration. "Can't locate Bastille_Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/) at /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 296." Bastille_Tk.pm is here: # dpkg -L bastille |grep Bastille_Tk /usr/share/perl5/site_perl/Bastille_Tk.pm ...so again my brute force fix was this: # cd /usr/share/perl5 # ln -s /usr/share/perl5/site_perl/Bastille_Tk.pm Bastille_Tk.pm ...and that did the trick. A more perl-ish fix would be: export PERL5LIB=$PERL5LIB:/usr/share/perl5/site_perl Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gzip dpkg error
On 2002.05.15 18:30 Ryan O wrote: I was trying to perform maintance to a system recently but as you will see below I was not successful. For some reason I am unable to do anything to the /bin/gzip file in the system (delete, move, whatever). I even tried a chattr to clear any flags that might prevent its deletion, with no success. Have you tried running lsof to determine if there are any opened .gz files (not sure if this would prevent modification of /bin/gzip or not) ? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why alt key in xemacs does not work
On 2002.05.15 12:50 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: alt is alt and meta is meta. in both rxvt and xterm meta is the window key, I take it this is just for US-104, and with US-101, alt is still meta? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "AGP not available" error.
On 2002.05.15 14:07 Steve Juranich wrote: Now that I've gotten rid of the visual garbage on my Radeon VE, I'm trying to get dri working on it. I've got everything set up the way that things are supposed to be set up (loading the radeon and agpgart modules on boot, and the radeon module is referenced in my XF86Config-4 file), but it's still not doing direct rendering. I'm getting the following error in /var/log/XFree86.0.log: (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available (EE) RADEON(0): [drm] failed to remove DRM signal handler My config file is setting the DRI stuff to 0666, and I've double-checked: coffee (steve)$ ll /dev/dri/card0 crw-rw-rw-1 root root 226, 0 Apr 5 23:25 /dev/dri/card0 I also set /dev/agpgart to world-read,write but I'm still getting the same error. Is the agpgart module loaded? If not, you may want an entry for char-major-10-175 to /etc/modutils/aliases. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody
On 2002.05.22 20:51 Jerome Acks Jr wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 09:34:46PM +0200, Ferdinand Lachmann wrote: > I am a newby on debian woody 3.0. > Have a Nvidia GeForce2 DDR in my system. > Can,t get my xserver running,nor my usb logitech mouse. I assume you have installed X4.x. If not, run: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 And make sure you have an entry for testing in /etc/apt/sources.list (the default list only includes entries for stable). Or run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 select the nv driver for your card. At some point, you will probably want to replace the nv driver that ships with XFree86 with the nvidia driver from nVidia. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCJ and C/C++ applications how is it possible ?
On 2002.05.23 08:55 dman wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 09:11:29AM +0200, Pac wrote: | Le 22/05/02 à 23:54, dman a écrit: | dman> | See this from http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.1/changes.html : | dman> | | dman> | " # JNI and CNI invocation interfaces were implemented, so gcj-compiled Java code can now be called from a C/C++ application. | dman> | dman> I didn't know that. That's a good feature to have. I guess you'll | dman> have to RTFM the gcc docs to find out what that API is. Maybe it | dman> works just like compiling a C++ library except that you'll be missing | dman> the C++ header files (unless it can generate them too). | | on http://gcc.gnu.org/java/docs.html there is no manual | only a FAQ but I will read the different articles. Read that part of the FAQ again (#6.2) : http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java-patches/2001-q2/msg00224.html :-) | dman> | dman> For GTK+ you can take a look at http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/. | dman> | | dman> | thank you | dman> | I will read this | dman> | dman> Does your GTK+ app already exist in C/C++? If not, then you can use | | no. | | dman> java-gnome to write your app in Java and use the java libs directly. | | it seems to be a better idea I will probably take this way. | By the way do you know if a GTK+ component has been made to | encapsulate a minimal canvas tu use EVAS ? I don't know what EVAS is, and I'm not sure if GTK+ itself has a canvas, but I know that GNOME has a canvas widget. As does Java (java.awt.Canvas). BTW, you may encounter a performance hit when using Java-GNOME. I haven't actually tested it, but Java-GNOME uses JNI to communicate with C GTK+ widgets, so I would be surprised if performance is as good as using the GTK+ widgets directly. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound problems - newbie
On 2002.05.24 06:32 Christoph Schaefer wrote: Hi Glen, If adding yourself to the audio group doesn't solve the problem, try it the hard way: as root do chmod 777 /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer According to the Sound HOWTO[1], the sound device files (/dev/audio, /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer) should have permisions 0666[2]. Ian 1. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/index.html 2. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/x320.html#AEN383 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCJ and C/C++ applications how is it possible ?
On 2002.05.24 04:25 Pac wrote: Le 23/05/02 à 22:09, dman a écrit: dman> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 07:15:34PM +0200, Pac wrote: dman> | why ? dman> dman> Layers upon layers upon layers of indirection. The JVM interprets dman> java bytecode. It then delegates the "native" methods to some C code dman> (from the java-gnome project). Those C/C++ functions then invoke some dman> other C/C++ functions and so on. Each has overhead. Then you have dman> your callbacks. In Java "callbacks" are always wrapped in classes dman> (java is not OO, it is Class-O). When you pass a callback to the dman> java-gnome stuff it must do the necessary wrapping/unwrapping to dman> provide a C-level function pointer to the underlying GTK+ system and dman> marshall arguments back and forth. More overhead. The java-gnome dman> package must also keep track of all GTK+ widgets it creates so that dman> when the JVM's GC decides it is time to free it it can. That's more dman> overhead in storing references. dman> this is the scenario when java-gnome is not nativly compiled isn't it ? With a native compilation which is possible with gcc, the application should be faster. I would love to be proven wrong, but far as I know, the main advantage of natively compiled Java, is that the java bits will run faster than their interpreted counterparts. You're still going to encounter the overhead of setting up the JNI stack and passing references back and forth. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache-ssl, libapache-mod-ssl
On 2002.05.24 09:53 Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2002 15:48:05 +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: >What is the difference (when would one use what) between >libapache-mod-ssl, and apache-ssl? Is one of these "new", since the >"crypto-in-main" transition? (I only noticed the -mod-ssl one today, >I've used apache-ssl in the past.) Someone once (months ago) told me that Apache-SSL was obsolete, and to use "libapache-mod-ssl," but they couldn't (or didn't want to) explain to me WHY this was so. Just based on the package names, I would guess that the latter uses the Apache module structure, whereas the former has SSL support compiled into the main executable. If that is the case, then mod_ssl would certainly be alot more flexible. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache-perl and apache httpd.conf
I recently installed apache-perl on my home machine. When I try to run the executable (/usr/sbin/apache-perl), I get the error message: apache-perl: could not open document config file /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf Sure enough, there is no httpd.conf in /etc/apache-perl. There is, however, a httpd.conf under /etc/apache (presumably this is left over from the previous non-perl apache). What sort of bad things, if any, should I expect to happen if I copy this over to /etc/apache-perl? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: word to the wise about Netscape 7/Mozilla
On 2002.05.24 18:07 Martin Rowe wrote: On Friday 24 May 2002 10:51 pm, Robin Putters wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 23:31, Quenten Griffith wrote: > > Now if someone knows a better GUI MUA for Debian that supports > > spelling checking/ GPG/LDAP/ and IMAP I am all ears to try it out. > > Evolution? There's KMail too. My personal configuration is Balsa for E-mail and Galeon for web browsing. I run Gnome for my desktop, and it is relatively easy, using the Document Handler capplet, to pick and choose the right tool for the job. For example, before using Balsa, I had tried out evolution. When I upgraded to Balsa, it was a simple matter of changing the mailto handler in the Gnome control center, and clicking on mailto link in Galeon automatically launches Balsa. Regards, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to confirm mod_perl is functioning with apache? to run mason
On 2002.05.23 20:42 justin cunningham wrote: hey list, I wanted to check out mason which requires mod_perl but it's not show as a loadable module in /etc/apache/httpd.conf I just installed libapache-mod-perl but wasn't prompted to load mod_perl.c as a loadable module like say, php4. how do I confirm it is properly configured? Hey Justin, I'm in pretty much the same boat (trying to test mod_perl installation/configuration IOT use HTML::Mason). Have you heard anything back from anybody? I'm currently going through the mod_perl guide (http://perl.apache.org/guide). Will let you know if I find anything useful. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trouble-shooting apache-perl
So, I recently upgraded apache to apache-perl, and am trying to get to the point where I can start experimenting with HTML::Mason. I've created an httpd.conf by starting with the file /etc/apache/httpd.conf and making changes as recomended in the mod_perl Guide[1]. I've also found a test script under /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod_perl/examples to test the configuration. However, each time I try to execute this test script, Galeon tries to download the script itself, instead of the script's output. According to the mod_perl Guide, this is the sort of behaviour that the ExecCGI option is designed to avoid[2]. I've looked over my httpd.conf and confirmed that Options ExecCGI is set for Location /perl. Does anyone have any ideas for trouble-shooting this, to: 1) ensure the proper httpd.conf is being loaded 2) Apache is using the right directory for the /perl Location 3) Ensure that ExecCGI options are being properly set Thanx, Ian 1) http://perl.apache.org/guide 2) http://perl.apache.org/guide/config.html#_Location_Configuration -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Configuring mod_perl on Debian
Dear List, I have been trying for the better part of the day to get Apache w/mod_perl working on a Debian Woody system. With the help of the Configuration section of the mod_perl Guide, I have set up httpd.conf w/ mod_perl support, I have setup a /perl location with Apache::Registry as the PerlHandler, and I have copied a test script from /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-perl/examples into /perl. However, whenever I try to display http://localhost/perl/test.pl, the browser (Galeon-1.2.1) displays a dialog asking if I want to save the file to disk or open it with an external application. here is the pertinant section of httpd.conf: Alias /perl /var/www/perl PerlModule Apache::Registry SetHandler perl-script PerlHandler Apache::Registry Options ExecCGI allow from all PerlSendHeader on Any clues as to what I may be doing wrong, or where to look for more info, would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble-shooting apache-perl
On 2002.05.26 10:55 Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:50:14AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > So, > > I recently upgraded apache to apache-perl, and am trying to get to the > a test script under /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod_perl/examples to test I don't know if this is related, but apache-perl and mod-perl(libapache-mod_perl) are, AFAIK, seperate projects. Which package are you using? Both. Selecting apache-perl in GnomeAPT also selects apache-common and libapache-mod_perl. I assume there's some sort of dependency action going on. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])
On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote: There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military dominated expansionary Government)... Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])
On 2002.05.26 23:21 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: > > > Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap > > bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a > > great place to base a lot of Operations. > > Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl > Harbor to "awaken the sleeping giant". It actually created a giant > "superpower" as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the > giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will > be there. Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone "hyperpower". I wouldn't be so certain. It was the economic disaster and perpetual chip on the shoulder, directly attributable to post-World War I sanctions, that lead to the rise of the National Socialist Party. Don't know about you, but I'm keeping a close eye on both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: debian-beer
On 2002.05.26 23:04 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:11, John Griffiths wrote: > >(A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? > > just darwin Darwinians (Darwinites?) obviously didn't like it much, but it's an awful huge leap from "Darwin got the crap bombed out of it" to "we got the crap bombed out of us". (Unless John P. Foster is from Darwin!!) Given Australia's sparse population density, maybe not that much of a stretch... Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])
On 2002.05.27 08:02 Thomas Good wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they > really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). > You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto > is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian, I've heard it said on this list that Canucks and Aussies have inferiority complexes. I think we Yanks do too. Being upstarts (+- 200 years makes us adolescents in the history of humankind) we are a bit sensitive about self image. We actually have a lot in common with our Australian cousins. And Canadians too. The average Yank is a good guy who doesn't trust the government, works hard and behaves decently towards his neighbors. But our behaviour as a nation is still young and foolish - maybe if our elected officials served their country rather than their wallets we would mature as nation, at a faster pace. I think the lacking leadership is a serious issue here...greed (and avarice) don't make for stability - either internally or in the community of nations. Tom, Have you read the Federalist Papers? If not, I would highly recommend that you do. 'Publius' makes a strong argument for balancing the relative strengths and weaknesses of centralized control and de-centralized government by allowing the states to govern their own internal affairs and restricting the role of the federal government to conflicts between the states and relations with the outside world, a balance that has largely been missing since 1865. The increasing influence of big money, both from the private sector and from non-business interests such as organized labor and other special interest groups, is indeed disturbing, but I see it as more a symptom of the increasingly invasive influence of the federal government than as a cause. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring mod_perl on Debian
On 2002.05.27 12:57 Andrew McNaughton wrote:
Sounds to me like you're not setting your content-type correctly for
some
reason. Have a look at the headers being sent out. It's either not
sending this header, or it's sending something the browser doesn't
know
what to do with.
This is the content of test.pl
BEGIN-SCRIPT
--
#!/usr/bin/perl
# your httpd.conf should have something like this:
# Alias /perl/ /real/path/to/perl-scripts/
#
# SetHandler perl-script
# PerlHandler Apache::Registry
# PerlSendHeader On
# Options +ExecCGI
#
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
print "Date: ", scalar localtime, "\n";
print "%ENV: \n", map { "$_ = $ENV{$_} \n" } keys %ENV;
--
END-SCRIPT
Based on this, I would expect the content to be set to text/html and
the page to be displayed to be a listing of the current environment.
Galeon identifies the content type as application/x-perl. This would
seem to indicate to me that Apache is serving the script directly
instead of executing the script and serving the output. According to
the mod_perl Guide, the ExecCGI option (which I have set for Location
/perl) is supposed to avoid this situation.
Thanx,
Ian
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Re: Configuring mod_perl on Debian
Well, I haven't had any better luck with the debian package but I have gotten Apache and mod_perl running by building from source. Thanx for all the help, Ian On 2002.05.27 13:06 Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.27 12:59 Eric wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 12:20:00PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > On 2002.05.27 11:43 Lucas M. Saud wrote: > >maybe you can try a "chmod 755" in the script...and check the perl > >path in first line of the script...and set the directory permission to > >777 > > Tried all of those. Still no good. > > I've downloaded the source for both Apache and mod_perl, and will be > building from scratch. If that works, that I well chock it up to a > debian packaging/configuration issue. > > > Thanx for the feedback, > Ian You said you were using woody (testing)? I haven't been following your problems, but I was able to get apache/mod_perl running on debian with little fuss. What packages have you tried? As a point of reference, these are the apache packages I have installed: % dpkg -l '*apache*' | grep "^i" ii apache-common 1.3.24-3 Support files for all Apache webservers ii apache-ssl 1.3.24.2+1.47- Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with ii libapache-mod- 1.26-3 Integration of perl with the Apache web serv ii libapache-requ 0.33-1 Generic Apache Request Library Eric Eric, Here is what I have: dpkg -l '*apache*' | grep '^i' ii apache-common 1.3.24-3 Support files for all Apache webservers ii apache-perl1.3.24-2-1.26- Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with ii libapache-mod- 1.26-3 Integration of perl with the Apache web serv Not sure where our configurations are different (I note you do not have apache-perl installed), but after I installed apache-perl, I had to copy /etc/apache/httpd.conf to /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf, and make quite a few changes by hand. p.s. you shouldn't ever set a cgi directory to be world-writable (777). Yeah. That struct me as being a bit off... Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring mod_perl on Debian
On 2002.05.28 04:03 Jeff A wrote: > From: Andrew McNaughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 May 2002 21:02 > To: Ian D. Stewart ... > You miss most of the advantage of debian's package management > if you start building core components independently. Debian > looks after you pretty well, but it's a bit of an all or > nothing affair. ie it's worth a little effort to stick > with the debian packages if you can. I agree with Andrew - getting Apache, Mod_SSL, PHP4 and mod_perl with PHP4/MySQL and mod_perl/mySQL all co-operating is a relative doddle with Debian packaging. Especially in view of the volume of the 'I cant build...' comments on the mod_perl mailing lists. We usually wget the .debs we want installed as a set, into a dir e.g. /usr/local/deb/ and then do a dpkg -i *.deb apt-get check FYI, these are SOME of the installed packages on our Dev server yes - it's a bit messy, but it's potato flavoured, with woody extras, and we don't seem to have any issues. - apache 1.3.23-1Versatile, high-performance HTTP server apache-common 1.3.23-1Support files for all Apache webservers libapache-mod-ssl 2.8.7-1 Strong cryptography (HTTPS support) libssl0.9.60.9.6c-1SSL shared libraries mysql-client 3.23.46-2 mysql database client binaries mysql-common 3.23.46-2 mysql database common files libmysqlclient 3.23.38-2 mysql database client library perl 5.6.1-7 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and libperl5.6 5.6.1-7 Shared Perl library. libapache-dbi-perl 0.88-5 Connect apache server to database via libapache-mod-perl 1.26-2 Integration of perl with the Apache web libapache-reload-perl 0.07-1 Reload changed modules in a mod_perl libapache-request-perl 0.33-1 Generic Apache Request Library libapache-session-perl 1.54-1 Perl modules for keeping persistent libapache-ssi-perl 2.16-1 perl Apache::SSI - Implement Server Side libdbd-mysql-perl 1.2216-2 mySQL database interface for Perl libdbi-perl1.21-2 The Perl5 Database Interface by Tim Bunce php4 4.1.2-1 A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting php4-mysql 4.1.2-1 MySQL module for php4 php4-pear 4.1.2-1 PEAR - PHP Extension Application Reposit - Ok. I'll give it a another go. Interestingly, I have not seen a lot of "I can't build this" messages on modperl, but have seen a fair number of "why isn't this working messages on debian-user. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP4 setup problems
On 2002.05.28 08:36 Andrew Pritchard wrote: > You're right, it is very simple. > > Move the script to /var/www or where your other content is, then access > it via your web server. > > http://localhost/hello.php > > I wouldn't be surprised if we all forgot to mention that in the > documentation! Hmmm - now it comes up with a 403: Permission denied. And from the error.log: [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /var/www/hello.php Not surprising really - I thought that was the point of having your executable/cgi's in /usr/lib/cgi-bin The point of CGI is to allow you to execute a script instead of display content. With newer content models such as mod_perl and PHP, which allow you to both display content and evaluate scripts, the line is not quite so distinct. The ExecCGI option allows you to specify, on a per directory basis, locations other than cgi-bin where executable content resides. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP4 setup problems
On 2002.05.28 08:41 James Cameron wrote: On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 22:36, Andrew Pritchard wrote: > Hmmm - now it comes up with a 403: Permission denied. And from the error.log: > [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this > directory: /var/www/hello.php Make sure it is not executable. Mine are not, and they work. After that, if it still doesn't work, what have you changed in httpd.conf since installing the packages? I thought all I did to make it work was 'apt-get install apache php4'. I've noticed, at least with mod_perl, that the package does not work out of the box. apt-get installs the necessary components, but you still need to make any required configuration changes (e.g., set up a /perl alias and configure PerlHandler for mod_perl). Not sure if this is a bug or a feature... Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: activating ipchains & ip masqurading ...
On 2002.05.28 09:02 Marcus Przyklink wrote: Cam Ellison wrote: > * faisal gillani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > i have installed debian 2.2 in my server now i want to > > activete ipchains & ip masqurading on it ... > > how should i do this ? > > > > > In a phrase, RTFM. Want more detail? Firewall HOWTO: > /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Firewall-HOWTO.html Well, seems that he wants just ip-masquerading, then i would recommend install a newer kernel (2.4.x) and do it with iptables. I have a simple script to activate ip-masquerading and let the LAN connect to the internet: The IP Masquerade HOWTO[1] contains information for setting up IP Masquerading under 2.0, 2.2 and 2.4 kernels. The Linux IP Masquerade Resource Web site[2] contains even more information. HTH, Ian 1. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html 2. http://ipmasq.cjb.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to confirm mod_perl is functioning with apache? to run mason
On 2002.05.28 19:03 Petro wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 09:17:12PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > On 2002.05.23 20:42 justin cunningham wrote: > >hey list, I wanted to check out mason which requires mod_perl but it's > >not show as a loadable module in /etc/apache/httpd.conf I just > >installed libapache-mod-perl but wasn't prompted to load mod_perl.c as > >a > >loadable module like say, php4. how do I confirm it is properly > >configured? > Hey Justin, > I'm in pretty much the same boat (trying to test mod_perl > installation/configuration IOT use HTML::Mason). Have you heard > anything back from anybody? > I'm currently going through the mod_perl guide > (http://perl.apache.org/guide). Will let you know if I find anything > useful. I don't use mod_perl myself, but some observations: (1) In woody, libapache-mod-perl actually installs perl_module--look in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/400mod_perl.info, you get: LoadModule: perl_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so Directives: PerlHandler PerlRequire PerlModule Handles: perl-script Description: If you can do it with perl, you can do it with Apache. Which may, or may not be the same thing as mod_perl. Also there is a package apache-perl (also in woody) that has mod_perl (perl_module?) statically compiled in. I tried using apache-perl, with no luck. I also tried installing libapache-mod-perl, which seems to succeed, but fails to pull in the apache package (which GnomeAPT claims is unavailable). I was able to get Apache and mod_perl by building from source. BTW, the mod_perl Guide[1] includes a section[2] for testing the installation of mod_perl. Ian 1. http://perl.apache.org/guide 2. http://perl.apache.org/guide/install.html#How_can_I_tell_whether_mod_perl_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Digital/Internet Cameras with Linux
On 2002.05.29 11:02 Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi all, anyone has any experiences setting Digital/Internet Cameras with Linux like those for home security? If all you want to do is view the feed from a webcam, their was a thread on here not too long ago (look for 'USB WebCam' or some such). If you want to remotely control a CCTV camera, you'll probably want to look into X10. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Calendar/scheduling softwae fro debain?
On 2002.05.20 14:09 stan wrote: Can anyone recomend a nice time schedulign software application that's in Debain Woody's archive? A Gnome interface would be a plus. I know I'm coming into this thread somewhat late. I'm surprised no one has recommended Gnome-PIM. It includes a Calendar app (GnomeCal, or some such) with day, week and month views, as well as a basic ToDo. And, of course, it is integrated with Gnome. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: attach3...aprox 189kB
On 2002.05.30 03:59 ben wrote: On Thursday 30 May 2002 12:21 am, Arthur Dent wrote: > Hi > I just began posting on this list and thankfully received a lot of replies. > A few of them included an atachment and most of the attachments from > different people were called attach3. When I went to have a quick look at > one of them it said it was of file type pgp...is this some sort of privacy > thing??? What does it do, I dont wish to install anything untill I know. > When I had windows going I would run it through a virus scanner and all > incoming would go through zonealarm fire wall so things were pretty > tight(As far as I knew). Right now running this linux machine with no virus > scan and no firewall makes me feel soo vulnerable. > the attachments are pgp signature keys. they certainly won't hurt you in any way. pgp allows for encryption of your mail while it's traversing the distance between addresser and addressee. i don't use it myself, although, now that the gumment suspects everybody of everything and has taken to poking its nose into everyone's business, it's starting to seem like a good idea. And with recent changes to the US FBI, those decisions (where to poke their nose) will be made at the field office level... Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: attach3...aprox 189kB
On 2002.05.30 03:48 Tom Cook wrote: On 0, Arthur Dent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > I just began posting on this list and thankfully received a lot of replies. > A few of them included an atachment and most of the attachments from > different people were called attach3. When I went to have a quick look at > one of them it said it was of file type pgp...is this some sort of privacy > thing??? What does it do, I dont wish to install anything untill I know. > When I had windows going I would run it through a virus scanner and all > incoming would go through zonealarm fire wall so things were pretty > tight(As far as I knew). Right now running this linux machine with no virus > scan and no firewall makes me feel soo vulnerable. Welcome to the world of Linux... virus scanners are a thing in your past. That said, you shouldn't normally operate as root. Those attachments (as you will find at the end of this mail) are indeed 'some sort of privacy thing' - sort of. They are signatures to verify where the mail came from. Now don't quote me on this, but I believe the way the signatures work is that the message is signed with the author's private key, which can then only be decrypted with the author's public key. So you try decrypting the message with the public key that you trust to be theirs, and if the result is the same as the message then you can be assured that it was indeed signed with the author's private key. So its a way of ensuring that the person who is writing this letter is really who they claim they are. Actually, there are two different aspects. The more common scenario encountered is digital signing. This is where the sender 'signs' the message with their public key, indicating that the message did indeed come from them (think of it as the digital equivelant of certified mail). The message itself is not encrypted. The second aspect is encryption, where the message is encrypted using the public key of the intended recipient. The message (or what ever other file is being encrypted) will look like so much garbage until it is decrypted using the private key of the recipient. Then there is steganaography (embedding one file within another), but that is a whole 'nother ball of wax. Take a look at the GNU Privacy Guard website[1] for more info. If you want to dabble with public-key encrypting, the I suggest: apt-get install gunpg Actually, I think that should be 'apt-get install gnupg'. If you're running Gnome, there is a graphical interface to pgp/gpg. apt-get install gpgp. Which reminds me, I need to set up gpg on my debian system... Ian 1. http://www.gnupg.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages
On 2002.05.31 08:52 Sean Preston wrote: The problem I have with adding unstable or testing is that so often it wants to upgrade large numbers of packages and I am unsure how good these are at this stage and would prefer to stick with the stable branch but still be able to use newer applications. This brings up a point I have been pondering for awhile. Is it possible to select, on a per package basis, which repository a particular upgrade/install is selected from? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ORBit help
On 2002.05.31 03:08 David Wright wrote: Thanks for your tips. I'm afraid that, given that I know not a single line of Phyton, that's not the way to go for me. I'm a C/C++/Perl guy, and while a nice CORBE client Perl module exists, there doesn't appear to be a CORBA server Perl module. Have you taken a look at CORBA::ORBit? I've used in the past, in conjunction with GNOME::Gnorba (back when gnorba was the preferred interface) to control Gnumeric and it compares favorably to controlling Excel via Win32::OLE. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: home network with mac
On 2002.06.02 09:50 Richard Otte wrote: At home my kid has a Mac running osx and we'd also have a switch. We'd like to connect it to my Debian machine in such a way that we could transfer files between the machines. We also have a postscript printer connected to the switch, and we both use the phone to connect to the internet. Can anyone tell me how to do this or point me to instructions on how to do this? Thanks, Hey Ric, Assuming you have the two machines networked, one solution would be to run a FTP server on the Linux box. Then the Mac could connect using its FTP client. If Mac OSX supports TCP/IP based printing, you could use a similiar setup for the printer. For information on sharing a single internet connection, take a look at the IP-Masquerade HOWTO[1]. HTH, Ian 1. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GIS
Howdy Folks, Can anybody recomend a good GIS (Geographical Information System) package for debian? I did a quick search with 'apt-cache search GIS', but got a long list of unrelated results. I've found GRASS on freshmeat, but there doesn't appear to be .deb available. Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting system time on startup
Howdy Folks, Right now, when booting my linux box, the system clock is off by four hours (I'm guessing it is set to GMT). I can reset the clock using date, but this is starting to get a bit tedious. Is there a way to automate this process and/or convince Linux to set the system clock to local time? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian: abandon ship?
On 2002.06.05 09:32 Colin Watson wrote: I hope you don't find this comment abusive. It's worth remembering that many developers are feeling under quite a lot of pressure right now, because a large percentage of the more vocal users sometimes seem to be engaging in a "trash-the-developers campaign" with regard to the woody release, and many of us have already put in just about as much work as we possibly can to make it go smoothly; that's bound to make some feathers a little ruffled. Speaking only for myself, it was the condescending tone adopted by one of the developers (don't remember the fellow's name; he was the one ranting about about his $250,00/hr fee) more than the actual content that I found offensive. While stating that you don't give a rip about the users may be intelectually honest, one should not be surprised when such statements endanger userbase loyalty. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian GIS
On 2002.06.05 12:17 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 05 Jun 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Can anybody recomend a good GIS (Geographical Information System) > package for debian? I did a quick search with 'apt-cache search GIS', > but got a long list of unrelated results. I've found GRASS on > freshmeat, but there doesn't appear to be .deb available. IMA (www.ima.sp.gov.br) is currently sponsoring the packaging of some GIS related software, but I hear MapServer and GRASS are f* painful to package, and a major mess of dependencies, too. Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (debian org) and ask him about the progress, last time I talked to him about it, he had preliminar packages that require a full php surgery on the system, and was trying to cleanup upstream mapserver enough to allow for less intrusive packaging... That is for MapServer. I don't know about how much progress the GRASS packaging has seen so far. Thanx Henrique. I dropped by the IMA site, but I'm afraid my portuguese is not up to snuff ;) I'll give gleydson a ring, see what he's got. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting system time on startup
On 2002.06.05 13:00 Gary Hennigan wrote: "Ian D. Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right now, when booting my linux box, the system clock is off by four > hours (I'm guessing it is set to GMT). I can reset the clock using > date, but this is starting to get a bit tedious. Is there a way to > automate this process and/or convince Linux to set the system clock to > local time? You can change that by setting UTC= in /etc/default/rcS. This setting should be "yes" if your HW clock is set to UTC (aka GMT) or "no" if your HW clock is set to local time. So first check to see what your HW clock is set to by using the command "hwclock --show". You can then use hwclock to either set your system time from your HW clock, or vice versa. This is done automatically at boot by the hwclock* scripts in /etc/init.d The main thing is setting UTC to the appropriate "yes" or "no" in /etc/default/rcS, assuming, of course, that the problem is the fact that your HW clock setting doesn't match the UTC setting. Thanx Gary. That did the trick! Apparently my hardware clock is reporting local time, not GMT. I edited /etc/default/rcS to set UTC=no and manually reset the system clock via 'hwclock --hctosys --localtime' Thanx also to everyone else who responded, and for the general education re: hwclock. Learn something new every day... ;) Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian: abandon ship?
On 2002.06.05 13:47 Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>"Ian" == Ian D Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ian> Speaking only for myself, it was the condescending tone adopted Ian> by one of the developers (don't remember the fellow's name; he Ian> was the one ranting about about his $250,00/hr fee) more than Ian> the actual content that I found offensive. While stating that Ian> you don't give a rip about the users may be intelectually Ian> honest, one should not be surprised when such statements Ian> endanger userbase loyalty. That would be me. To bring in the context that you have elided, this is exactly what I said: Manoj> Telling me how to spend my time comes with the obligation of Manoj> helping me pay my mortgage. My posted rates are $250 an hour. No, this is what was said: What you are missing is even a modicum of understanding of the motivation for the people who put in the effort and do the work for Debian -- I certainly do not do this (working 20 hours a week, over and above the 50-60 I do for work, and trying to keep the house and lawn in shape, etc (I also happen to run an active D&D campaign, but well)) for the unwashed masses. Do you know what motivates the developers? Developers most certainly do _not_ live to serve. As far as I have been aware, the majority of people working for free software work because it pleases their muse (or scratches their own particular itch). The user base helps by helping make the software better; in return for getting to use it. Anyone can participate -- by helping with bug reports and fizxes, patches, etc; and even getting a say in how debian works by committing themselves to Debian; no one tells any other volunteer how to spend their time. All that is needed is essentially "Show us the code" (or help us improve it). People are not excluded because we are the holiest of the holy and outsiders are dirt. There is no core Debian team. And users certainly are not in control; and popularity has never been a Debian goal. The ``community participation'' does have limitations. Telling me how to spend my time comes with the obligation of helping me pay my mortgage. My posted rates are $250 an hour. Anyone telling me how to spend my time has to pony up the moolah. And yes, I do find it condescending. Particularly the reference to 'unwashed masses' and the general attitude of 'I have done this thing because it pleases me. You should be content that I allow you to benefit from my labor.' You have a strange definition of condescending. So it would seem. However, based on previous postings to the list, I am not alone in my unusual definitions. Are you, then, opposed to this sentiment? Can we call on you and tell you how to spend your time? I don't recall anyone telling you to do anything. One gentleman raised a complaint regarding the release schedule of Woody. Apparently, you interpreted this as a direct order. But to answer your question, there are several projects I have an interest in. I have even started writing code for eventual contribution to one of them. You, or anybody else for that matter, are perfectly welcome to provide feedback regarding any of those projects. Indeed most actively encourage user feedback. If the feedback is in reference to an aspect I have in interest in or responsibility for, I will take it into consideration. If I feel it is inappropriate, for what ever reason, I will let you know. And I will not accuse you of telling me what to do. Regards, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nothing to apt-get upgrade for a long while?
On 2002.06.06 23:29 Hubert Chan wrote: If you're suffering from "apt-get upgrade" withdrawal, you can always switch to unstable, but just beware that it's called unstable for a reason. With the Woody freeze on, alot of folks that would be adding/updating packages in sid have been holding off (or so I've been lead to believe), effectively making sid an (untested) testing. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting system time on startup
On 2002.06.07 01:16 Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 11:51:16AM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote: | Hello Pietro Cagnoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | | What is the advantage to keep the clock on GMT? Suppose the machine moves and is now in a new timezone. Also suppose you're running a legacy OS (eg MS-DOS or MS-Windows) and you now want the clock to show the correct local time. Here's the steps to correct it : 1) enter the BIOS config and reset the clock to the new local time 2) boot the OS and reset the timezone to the new local timezone Now consider the same scenario, except that a modern (eg Debian) OS is on the machine. Here are the steps to show the correct local time : 1) tell the system what the new local time zone is (run 'tzconfig') Storing a well-defined and "constant" value (UTC, aka GMT) is more flexible than storing an ever changing value. (give me a little leeway here, time is always changing, but "GMT" is constant whereas "EST", "EDT", "CST", "CDT" (yes I moved a while ago then DST kicked in, so this desktop machine has been through 4 timezones) is ever changing) Goog point, Derek. I'll look into fixing the BIOS setting next time I reboot (which hopefully won't be awhile, but with these damned midwest t-storms, you never can tell). Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-Browser Compliance
On 2002.06.08 15:23 Helgi Örn wrote: Thank's for your information. I find this very interesting because I've made it to a sort of a hobby to harass webmasters that ignore anything else than IE, and those are not few. More and more sites seem to become almost exclusively IE centered, even sites that are entirely financed with our own (tax-payers) money which of course is unacceptable. The strongest argument we got is that this is supporting a kind of monopoli that is reprehensible, a completely un-ethical behaviour. Yep. I remember a while back, there was a big stink because the UK had developed an e-gov gateway that only worked with MSIE running on certain versions of Windows. Don't know about where you're at, but in both the US and the UK there are some pretty influential tech-oriented civil liberties groups. A combination of bad press and political pressure are normally sufficient to convince the civil service folks to change their ways. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian GIS
On 2002.06.05 23:50 Eric G. Miller wrote: GRASS is best for folks doing raster analysis/modeling. The vector stuff isn't quite "there" yet. Are there others that do better at vector-based modeling, or would I be best served waiting on GRASS to 'get there' ? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)
On 2002.06.08 22:33 Alice M. Pinard wrote: As I'm continuing to try and troubleshoot a hd that doesn't seem to want to boot (promise ultra card, 60g hd) I just wanna doublecheck one thing Semi-OT As the size of IDE hard drives increase, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using a single large hard drive as opposed to a RAID stack (say, 80 GB hard drive vs. raid tower w/ 4 20 GB hard drives) ? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sk domain
On 2002.06.04 15:07 Oleg wrote: Ouch! this guy is a jerk. I'm filtering everyone from *.sk now. The entire nation of Slovakia? Kinda extreme, doncha think? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Packaging mod_accel?
On 2002.06.04 16:52 Christian Jaeger wrote: I would like to run Debian's apache and apache-perl packages for this configuration. You may want to consider using apache and libapache-mod-perl instead. It provides the mod_perl functionality as a DSO (Dynamic Shared Object), instead of being compliled directly into the server. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)
On 2002.06.10 03:35 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 20:33, Alvin Oga wrote: > if you have a nearly full 80GB disks ... it wont matter > if you have 1x 80GB or 4x 20GB( stripping ) No, it does matter. You can expect at least one of four 20GB drives to fail much sooner than one 80GB drive, assuming same MTBF numbers on all drives. The MTBF for one 50,000hr MTBF disk is 50,000hr. For four of them, it is 13,500Hr. [ And, if you operate the four for a year, you can expect 1 to fail. ] So then, the primary advantages of RAID are access speed and data redundancy and the primary advantage of a stand-alone HDD is reliability? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HDD vs. RAID (was Re: Lilo Q)
On 2002.06.10 05:48 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 03:46, Alvin Oga wrote: > > - and if the drives gonna fail... i say its more likely to die > within the first 30 days ... Yes. MTBF only measures how likely it is to fail during the middle of its life. A good number die early (defective) and late (worn out). Not many die in the middle. That's what MTBF measures. I was speaking of the MTBF of RAID-0 where any one disk death means the whole array is gone. >- what's the likelyhood of 2 drives that fail ... >rendering the raid subsystem to be just blank disks.. Not much. Especially if you replace the failed disk promptly, or have a spare. >( hopefully one can rest a little better after the first disk >( dies... or is more of the same fate to happen to the rest of >( the disks ... Neither. Unless the failure was due to the environment (e.g., running disks at 120 degress in a paint can shaker), having one fail makes others neither more likely nor less likely to fail. > > - i still prefer 1 large disks.. instead of many small ones... If you have many small disks and one fails, you are OK, as long as you used RAID 1 or RAID 4/5. You can replace the one failed disk. If your one large disk fails, you're down until you restore from backups. So, the way I'm reading this, a RAID 5 stack w/ 5 20 GB hard drives provides improved access speed and reliability at the cost of slightly reduced storage. An earlier thread was making reference to setting up seperate controllers for each HDD. I have seen adverts for stand-alone RAID towers. Would the use of one of these towers do away with the need for seperate controllers, and if so do these towers support IDE or just SCSI? Thanx for all the input. I'm finding all of this info very interesting! Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-Browser Compliance
On 2002.06.10 06:21 Helgi Örn wrote: On Sun, 2002-06-09 at 02:00, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > Yep. I remember a while back, there was a big stink because the UK had > developed an e-gov gateway that only worked with MSIE running on > certain versions of Windows. I also remember that case from media and a lot of angry voices on the web too, didn't they fix this in some way? > > Don't know about where you're at, An Icelander in Sweden... :-) Ah, you are from the Holy Land! (I am an Asatruar). I should like very much to visit your homeland someday, but with the Amaerican economy being in the dumps, I don't know when I will get a chance. Both the Icelanders and the Swedes are hopeless when it comes to browser compliance, they simply don't give a damn, --if you run something else than IE then that's your problem-- seems to be the most common attitude. ASP seems to become more and more popular and it does never seem to work fully in any other browser than IE, though I don't know if the ASP language is to blame or the programmers. ASP itself is merely a framework which supports the embedding of programming in web pages, similiar to PHP or HTML::Mason. Most likely programmer error (or worse). Good example of a hopeless case is the volvo.com and volvocars.com even though those pages don't even seem to work in IE either, and this is one of Swedens biggest and globally best known companys! Don't remember if it was mentioned on here or on galeon-user, but Mozilla has a tech evangelism category in their bugzilla database. If you specify the URL(s) where you are having problems, someone from mozilla.org will contact the webmaster. Not the perfect solution, but presumably they would be more influential than you or I. Best of luck. Blessa, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 09:25 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 11-Jun-2002 Helgi Örn wrote: > On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 08:45, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> >> On 11-Jun-2002 Helgi Örn wrote: >> > This is all that's there: >> > >> > is_IS ISO-8859-1 >> > sv_SE ISO-8859-1 >> > >> >> Does this match the locale you were trying to use? The locale the app was >> trying to use? Most likely some form of English should be listed just to >> help >> silly coders who haven't made everything work right for non English natives. >> > Thank's! > Your reply arrived a minute before I sent the mail you replied to...:-) > The system default (& apps) is US english but I had problems with > swedish keyboard layout (I use SE and IS layout) so I might have wiped > out something. I think I also used 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'?? > Isn't the EN one supposed to be > en_US ASCII ?? > Do I have to re-boot for a change to take effect? > en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 Wouldn't "C" be a more appropriate default locale for non-US users? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 13:42 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Wouldn't "C" be a more appropriate default locale for non-US users? > sure, but you are assuming competency in coders (-: Gah! Hate it when I do that!! ;) Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 14:00 Helgi Örn wrote: On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > Wouldn't "C" be a more appropriate default locale for non-US users? > > > > sure, but you are assuming competency in coders (-: C should work by default > without editing or enabling anything . Could you guys explain for a non-programmer what this is about? I'll give her a try... Different parts of the world have slightly different conventions for representing for various types of data. As an example, take the date 04/01/2002. To a brit, this is January 4th, 2002. To an american, it is April 1st, 2002. The POSIX standard has codified all these different conventions into something referred to as a 'locale'. It covers things like date/time display, collation, capitalization, etc. The POSIX standard also provides a default locale, referred to as the 'C locale'. It is very similiar to en_US, but with some important differences. For example, when sorting in the EN_us locale, values are sorted alphebetically, so that a word beginning with 'A' precedes a word beginning with 'Z', regardless of case. In the C locale, Zed precedes aleph because the character 'Z' precedes 'a' in the ASCII encoding (this is sometimes referred to as 'ascii-betical order'). As a matter of good programming practice (following the principal of least astonishment), if a locale is specified, that locale should be used. If no locale is specified, or if the specified locale is not supported by the C library (see man 3 setlocale), then the program should fallback to the C locale. Apparently, in the case of the application that triggered this thread, that last step wasn't followed. So, clear as mud? ;) Blessa, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 14:16 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 11-Jun-2002 Helgi Örn wrote: > On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> > Wouldn't "C" be a more appropriate default locale for non-US users? >> > >> >> sure, but you are assuming competency in coders (-: C should work by >> default >> without editing or enabling anything . > Could you guys explain for a non-programmer what this is about? > the locale "C" is meant to be the default, it always works, safe locale. The name "C" comes from the programming language C. Basically the default locale should allow you to code a C app without causing issues when given to someone else (weird control chars in the comments, etc). en_US is specifically English, United States. My suspicion is one of two things, possibly linked is occuring. 1) Red Hat sets the locale to en_US by default now so it is always enabled in glibc even if you switch locales As a benny, at least on Mandrake systems, the files necessary to support the en_US locale are not installed by default, so C apps run just fine but you get a warning about 'unrecognized locale' when running perl 2) there was a glibc change which made locale generating ugly unless your locale was set to something other than "C" This is so broken, I don't even want to think about it... Blessa, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 15:09 Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 02:33:27PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Different parts of the world have slightly different conventions for > representing for various types of data. As an example, take the date > 04/01/2002. To a brit, this is January 4th, 2002. *ahem* To a Brit, this is "4th January 2002". :) You see my point. They even pronounce it wrong. *runs and hides* Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 15:54 Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 06:25:57AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: | On 11-Jun-2002 Helgi Ãrn wrote: | > Do I have to re-boot for a change to take effect? Your mouse has moved. You must restart Windows for your changes to take effect. Reminds me of vigor of user friendly fame "You just pressed the tab key. Are you sure you wish to continue?" Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C library
On 2002.06.11 16:05 Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:39:40PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote:
> Reminds me of vigor of user friendly fame
>
>"You just pressed the tab key. Are you sure you wish to
> continue?"
You *do* know it's in Debian, right? :)
Oh no! Say it's not so.
I just may have to install it for my wife's enjoyment, who yells at her
Windows PC whenever it pops up one of those dummy alerts ("Yes I'm sure
I want to quit! If I didn't want to quit, I wouldn't have told you to,
now would I?!")
Ian
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Re: VmWare on Woody
On 2002.06.12 09:58 Helgi Örn Helgason wrote: On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 15:26, Colin Watson wrote: > I believe it's there for extracting files manually from RPMs, building > RPMs, and that sort of thing. Using it to install packages on your live > system is dangerous because there's no protection against RPM packages > stomping all over things that dpkg has installed; if you use alien, you > get that protection. > Thank's that was interesting. With time I will probably learn...:-) Now when I run the tarball installation I can't seem to give the installer the right information when it asks me: *What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?* Look in /usr/src. Assuming you have installed the kernel-header package, there should be a directory called /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19, or something similiar. HTH. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up a Gateway
On 2002.06.13 09:25 Nicos Gollan wrote: On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ye all Linux Wizzards. > > plunging around some time with debian (at the moment 2.4.18 kernel) I > am trying to set up a linux box as a gateway. What you want is probably masquerading. Read the ipfilter documentation at http://netfilter.samba.org/ to see how to set up iptables for masquerading. There's a section named after this in the FAQ I think. I've personally found the IP-Masquerade HOWTO (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO) to be a more readable resource. There are additional resources, including sample configuration scripts, at the Linux IP Masquerade Resource web site (http://ipmasq.cjb.net). HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub Q
On 2002.06.13 09:33 Mark Janssen wrote: On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 14:12, Alice M. Pinard wrote: > or... another way to look at it... does anyone know a way to pack up a set > of info docs so that it could be read on a windows box? (that way I could > browse through it here at work ) There is a cygwin version of the info browser... I can mail it if you want... :) Or, alternatively, there is a port of emacs to WinNT (http://www.cs.washington.edu/~voelker/ntemacs.html). I haven't tried it myself, but in theory you should be able to view info files with this emacs. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk
On 2002.06.13 09:16 Jan Johansson wrote: > I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered > files after > the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of overwrites. And since they are a public contractor.. wonder what the not-so-public people can do. When I was in the (US) Navy, a hard drive that contained classified data wasn't considered clean until after 7 swipes. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minimizing all windows
Howdy Folks, In windows, you can right click on the task bar and one of the options is to minimize all windows, exposing the underlying desktop. I've looked through both the gnome-list archive and the Gnome User's Guide but was unable to find any reference to similiar functionality. Is this possible, either within the context of Gnome, Sawfish window manager or XFree86? Are there other window managers that support both Gnome and this 'minimize all windows' functionality? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server X process taking 250 Mo - leaking ?
On 2002.06.13 12:34 Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 11:14:48AM +0200, Jerome Lacoste wrote: | I have the following in top: | | PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND | 532 root 16 -10 289M 32M 7528 S < 54.6 6.5 8:35 XFree86 | | I think there is a problem there. XFree86 takes way too much space and | CPU. Have anybody encountered the same problem? The SIZE column is useless. I forget the details why, but it often confuses the "uniniated". The RSS is the how much heap the process really has. The %MEM shows how much of your real memory (not swap) the process is using. Can anybody else shed some light on the difference between SIZE and RSS? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimizing all windows
On 2002.06.14 17:14 Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 12:08:13PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Howdy Folks, > > In windows, you can right click on the task bar and one of the options > is to minimize all windows, exposing the underlying desktop. I've > looked through both the gnome-list archive and the Gnome User's Guide > but was unable to find any reference to similiar functionality. > > Is this possible, either within the context of Gnome, Sawfish window > manager or XFree86? Are there other window managers that support both > Gnome and this 'minimize all windows' functionality? Why not just switch to a blank desktop? (or create a new one?) Sorry, this was answered on gnome-list. The answer was to bind a key to iconify-workspace-windows. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeCraft, SDL Audio and ESD
Howdy Folks, I recently installed the FreeCraft .debs, and I the main screen comes up Ok. However, there is a message at the top that says 'Sound Disabled. Please check!'. When I exit the program, there is an error message: Couldn't open audio: No available audio device I've confirmed that SDL_AUDIODRIVER is set to 'esd' (I am using the ESound Audio Daemon to play event sounds in Gnome). Is there anything else I should check? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeCraft, SDL Audio and ESD
On 2002.06.14 22:58 Ian D. Stewart wrote: Howdy Folks, I recently installed the FreeCraft .debs, and I the main screen comes up Ok. However, there is a message at the top that says 'Sound Disabled. Please check!'. When I exit the program, there is an error message: Couldn't open audio: No available audio device I've confirmed that SDL_AUDIODRIVER is set to 'esd' (I am using the ESound Audio Daemon to play event sounds in Gnome). Is there anything else I should check? As it normally goes, I found the source of the problem after posting my message. I was missing the libsdl-debian-esd package. Once that was installed, everything went swimmingly. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1024x768 resolution on Extended SVGA monitor
Howdy Folks and Happy Father's Day to all you dads out there, My wife got me Loki's port of Railroad Tycoon II for father's day. The game looks pretty cool, but needs to run at 1024x768 resolution. My problem is that I have a generic Magnavox SuperVGA monitor, and of course, the good folks haven't bothered to provide the specific HSYNC/Vert Refresh settings for the various resolutions. It's been running at 800x600 for awhile now, but I get the following errors when it tries to set default mode to "1024x768": (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) I am using an hsync range of 31.5-35.0 w/ a VisionTek GeForce 2 video card (nVidia GeForce 2 400MX chipset). Does anyone know what the interlace/doublescan/hsync values should be, or know of a resource where I might possibly research this? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1024x768 resolution on Extended SVGA monitor
On 2002.06.16 10:02 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Does anyone know what the interlace/doublescan/hsync values should be, > or know of a resource where I might possibly research this? I think that xvidtune will tell you hsync and vsync. Thanx Patrick, Could you be more specific? If I fire up xvidtune and click on the next and prev buttons, it only shows 640x480 and 800x600. Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1024x768 resolution on Extended SVGA monitor
On 2002.06.16 15:13 Jerome Acks Jr wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 09:34:04AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: [snip] > > Does anyone know what the interlace/doublescan/hsync values should be, > or know of a resource where I might possibly research this? read-edid package may tell you what to add to your XF86Config file to get video mode you want. Jerome, I've attached the output from get-edid. Hopefully this is not as bad as it appears to the untrained eye... ;) Thanx, Ian -- Jerome edid Description: Binary data
Re: Debian: abandon ship?
On 2002.06.17 05:26 Jan Johansson wrote: > you've got to be new around here. there isn't enough salt in > the world to > make your hat tasty enough to retract the last sentence > above. go directly to > jail. do not pass go. do not, under any circumstances, > attempt to collect > anything at all. bye-bye. Well, there is a valid point in there. I would never "bet my job" on a mailing list. I do however "bet my job" on a cpl of redhat systems, why? Becuase my employer DOES have a support _contract_ with redhat, making me stay hired even if the box keels over. Would i be able to sort a deb system out with the help of the list? Heck yes, been doing unix for a living for some eight years. But i still cant get a _contract_ on deb support from the list, which is what my employer requires for a mission critical server. An alternative you may want to look at if you're serious about deploying Debian in a corporate environment is third party support services. Most linux distros, and indeed most free/open source software in general, do not provide their own contractual support. There are, however, several companies out there that do provide SLA contract support as their main business. LinuxCare and Cygnus before they were bought out come to mind. You may want to shop around, see if there are any local companies that might meet your needs as well. Good luck, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading xfree86
On 2002.06.17 04:49 ian wrote: hi all, i'm running debian 2.2r6 would it be wise/safe to upgrade to xfree86 4.2? i need the support for my v/card (gforce2 mx 100/200) Hi Ian, So long as you're running XFree86 4.1.x (or later), you should have support for your card (I'm running 4.1.0.1 with a 400MX GeForce2). You can install XFree86 4.1.0.1 from testing (AKA Woody). That may prove to be a bit more stable than 4.2 Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server X process taking 250 Mo - leaking ?
On 2002.06.18 08:04 Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 15:31, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Can anybody else shed some light on the difference between SIZE and RSS? Size is how much memory has been allocated through brk(2). RSS is how much is currently paged in. So, a program can (and some do) brk a lot of memory, thus upping their SIZE, but don't actually use it. The RSS is how much actual RAM the program is taking. Thanx Anthony. According to 'man 2 brk', brk sets the end of the data segment to the value speci fied by end_data_segment, when that value is reasonable, the system does have enough memory and the process does not exceed its max data size (see setrlimit(2)). So, if I'm understanding this correctly, SIZE indicates how much memory has been reserved for the application (and therefor not available to other applications), while RSS is the amount of memory currently being used by the application. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian: abandon ship?
On 2002.06.17 21:26 Rox de Gabba wrote: Well, if you look at it from the practical point of view... screaming and complainting has never done any good... at leat with computer systems it hasn't. Suing... well, have you ever heared of anyone get a penny off M$ for the bilions lost on their system being buggy, rashing and losing data? When was the last time you heard of a suit looking at things from a practical point of view? The entire purpose of the exercise is to give the PHB's and their BoD taskmasters a warm and fuzzy feeling. The service contract is merely a means to that end. The fact that that warm and fuzzy feeling has absolutely no grounding in reality is entirely irrelevant. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dll's missing
On 2002.06.18 13:42 Duane Clark wrote:
YUFUFI wrote:
I'm using winestuptk
and it put some line for dlls :
[DllOverrides]
; default for all other dlls
"*" = "builtin, native, so"
I'm not pointing a window dir right now. 'cos whether I point it or
not.
wine can't find same dlls like
DISPLAY.dll
kernel32.dll
(Please trim your posts)
Wine doesn't automatically know where the DLLs have been put, and I
don't know where debian puts them, but likely either /usr/lib/wine or
/usr/local/lib/wine.
Debian stores the *.{dll,drv}.so files from the libwine package in
/usr/lib/wine. You can get a full list of files installed by running
running 'dpkg -L libwine'. You can also run 'dpkg -S ' to
determine which package a particular file comes from (e.g., 'dpkg -S
kernel32.dll.so').
HTH,
Ian
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Re: Can't get audio to work
On 2002.06.18 23:59 Glen Lee Edwards wrote: On Tuesday 18 June 2002 12:41 am, you wrote: > The 'K7' builds are only for us who run AMD Athlons. I thought I > made this point in my previous message, but obviously not. Not sure what you mean. Last I heard the Duron, Thunderbird, and XP are all part of the Athlon product line. I have a 950 MHZ Duron with a Socket A motherboard. Hey Glen, I've got the same setup, and have successfully built and run K7-optimized kernels in the past. If you continue encountering problems w/ 2.4.18, your AC '97 audio device *is* supported with 2.2 kernels starting with 2.2.19 (I believe you mentioned you had 2.2.20 installed?), though the quality is not as good as the 2.4 incarnation. Good Luck, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Exploit Released - where is an update for Woody?
On 2002.06.19 23:29 John wrote: There's now an exploit in the wild for Apache (the chunked whatever bug). The DSA mentions an update which is version 1.3.9-14.1 We need a version > 1.2.12, and are running 1.3.23 from woody. Is there any idea where a patched 1.3.23 for woody might be? Or should I install from source from apache.org? A fellow posted a URL to a packaged .deb several days ago. Don't recall who, or exactly when it was posted, but you should be able to search through the archives. The patched .deb was based on Apache 1.3.24. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache 1.3.26 compatible build of libapache-mod-perl
Howdy Folks, I recently tried to upgraded my Apache installation from 1.3.24 to 1.3.26 IOT get the recent security patch and got the following error: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libapache-mod-perl: Depends: apache-common (< 1.3.25) but 1.3.26-1 is to be installed Does anyone know when a build of libapache-mod-perl that is compatible with apache-common 1.3.26-1 will be made available? Thanx, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache 1.3.26 compatible build of libapache-mod-perl
On 2002.06.21 12:55 Christopher Swingley wrote: * Ian D. Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-Jun-21 07:10 AKDT]: > Does anyone know when a build of libapache-mod-perl that is compatible > with apache-common 1.3.26-1 will be made available? Point your favorite http client to http://incoming.debian.org, download, and dpkg --install the *.deb Galeon reports 'incoming.debian.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again' Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache 1.3.26 compatible build of libapache-mod-perl
On 2002.06.21 13:27 Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:57:41PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > Galeon reports 'incoming.debian.org could not be found. Please check > the name and try again' Well, please check the name and try again. :-) It does exist, but was down for a while earlier today, which could have been the problem. It's back up now. Ah, that's better... ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel upgrade to 2.4.18
On 2002.06.22 09:38 Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Sorry to pick up this conversation midstream, but all this talk of kernel upgrades got me wondering, and I decided to try it for myself. I have downloaded the sources and uncompressed them where they should be. I made the link (if I should or not, this is how I have always done it otherwise) and have tried make menuconfig. I keep getting errors about not having ncurses installed. I searced with apt-get and have tried to install anything that even mentions ncurses, but I still get the same error. Any ideas? TIA. Assuming you have the source package, you should be able to do 'apt-get build-dep package' to install and configure all build dependencies. This seems to me to be the sanest aproach. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache Exploit Released - where is an update for Woody?
On 2002.06.20 22:02 Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:58:23PM -0500, Gary Turner wrote: | On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:04:40 -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | | >On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 01:29:04PM +1000, John wrote: | | >Nonetheless, the DSA says it affects 64-bit architectures. It sounds | >like if you're not using a 64-bit system (eg SPARC or ia64) then you | >aren't vulnerable. | | From Linux Weekly News http://lwn.net 6/20/02 | | "Note also that an exploit for 32-bit systems has been posted. It was | originally stated that 32-bit systems were not vulnerable to | remote exploits, but that claim has been demonstrated to be false. Given | the nature of this vulnerability, anybody running an Apache | server should upgrade sooner rather than later." Thanks all for the correct details. Isn't it great when the fix is released *before* the worm? Actually, it wasn't. This exploit has been reported in the while for at least a week. In fact, from what I understand, there were some hard feelings between the Apache Foundation and ISS explicitly because they (the Apache Foundation) weren't notified in time to release a patch before ISS reported the exploit. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How stable is dual head, twin view feature ?
On Sunday 23 June 2002 23:44, tvn1981 wrote: > > - Nvidia GF2 - couldn't get the Nvidia binary drivers even to run, let > > alone try it with Xinerama. > > I got it working, it just crashes and freezes X too much that I have > to stop using it. I have XFree86 4.1.0.1 running with a GeForce 2 400MX card with the driver from nvidia.com. I haven't tried xinerama, but I do know that the GeForce 2 does not support interlacing. Perhaps this is related? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"
On Sunday 23 June 2002 23:40, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Thanks Brian for the CVS tips. But even if I were to go that route I > must still locate all the files except for in /home that I have > changed from the virgin debian system. I imagine it would be relatively straight forward to write a shell script that uses dpkg --listfiles to get a list of files for a given package than compare their modification time against the datetime when the package was installed. Come to think of it, that might not be a bad mini-project (assuming it hasn't been done already). Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEPMOD messages at boot time
On Monday 24 June 2002 18:31, Larry Smith wrote: > Since building my kernel, when booting a screen or two > of depmod warnings (or errors?) flash by so fast I > can't read them. It happens during boot right after > the message "Checking Dependencies" comes up. > > After booting is complete, dmesg lists no such errors, > or any errors for that matter. > > Examining /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog also > reveals nothing about the depmod messages. Can you see the errors by running dmesg? If not, you might want to try running /sbin/depmod -a as root from the console, see if you can't reproduce the error(s). HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"
On Monday 24 June 2002 18:03, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 11:25:33AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > On Sunday 23 June 2002 23:40, Dan Jacobson wrote: > > > Thanks Brian for the CVS tips. But even if I were to go that route I > > > must still locate all the files except for in /home that I have > > > changed from the virgin debian system. > > > > I imagine it would be relatively straight forward to write a shell script > > that uses dpkg --listfiles to get a list of files for a given package > > than compare their modification time against the datetime when the > > package was installed. > > The modtime of an unmodified file from a .deb is not necessarily the > time when the package was installed, since tar (and hence dpkg) > preserves the modtimes it finds in the archive it's unpacking. You would > need to download each .deb and use 'dpkg -c' to get the detailed file > list. I think I'm starting to see the problem. As far as I can tell, dpkg does not record the datetime when any particular package is installed/upgraded, and I can't find anywhere else where this information is maintained either. The trick then becomes accurately determining this information from some other set of heuristics. Apt obviously know's how to grab a .deb given a package name and set of sources. Perhaps this could be leveraged, so as to avoid reinventing the wheel. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"
On Monday 24 June 2002 20:19, Ian D. Stewart wrote: I know, pretty bad, replying to my own mail... ;) > > I think I'm starting to see the problem. As far as I can tell, dpkg does > not record the datetime when any particular package is installed/upgraded, > and I can't find anywhere else where this information is maintained either. > The trick then becomes accurately determining this information from some > other set of heuristics. > > Apt obviously know's how to grab a .deb given a package name and set of > sources. Perhaps this could be leveraged, so as to avoid reinventing the > wheel. After further inventigation, it looks like apt-get -d can be used to download necessary packages without installing them. Colin, If a .deb for a given package exists in /var/cache/apt/archives, will apt-get -d still download it, or will it use the local package? Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X, Window manager, and startup question
On Tuesday 25 June 2002 10:41, Dave Whiteley wrote: > Help please, > > I am using xdm and icewm, (but I suspect that my problem relates to > other window managers as well). I start up several applications at > login, using .xsession but these all start up in the first virtual > screen. Is there any way in which I can start them in other screens. > > My .xsession is something like:- > > xterm & > application1 & > application2 & > exec icewm > > I would like application1 to start in the second virtual screen. Based on the fact that application1 probably doesn't know anything about icewm workspaces, I'ld guess there's not much you can do within the framework of xsession. If icewm has a mechanism for saving state (it's been awhile since I've used Ice, so not sure what it's current capabilities are), you may be able to leverage that. Failing that, if there any icewm-specific init scripts that you can run, you may be able to move application1 over to Workspace 2. HTH, Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache + apache-ssl
On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:34, Jan Johansson wrote: > Installing the .23 apache removed my apache-ssl, no worries since it was a > lab system, but uhm.. how do i proceed if i _want_ apache and apache-ssl on > the same rig? Have you tried installing libapache-mod-ssl? As I understand it, this, in conjunction with apache, provides the same functionality as apache-ssl but as a loadable module (what Apache calls a DSO) instead of compiled directly into the executable. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
