Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[tomas]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 12:18:39PM -0700, Antonio Russo wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> > > > A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
> 
> On 11/3/24 07:51, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > Manpage for w3m hints it may be particularly suitable.
> > Will investigate elinks further as it is in Debian 12 repository.
> 
> Unfortunately, the source code of w3m indicates that it does support
> html5.  I can't actually fathom why not-supporting is a hard requirement,

OTOH, html5 is a large rubber band -- a "living standard" [1] in the
jargon, which is just an euphemism for "we do whatever we please, and
you either follow along or go bust".

The "we" being whoever has the spare change to keep a team of engineers
halfway fed.

Cheers
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
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Controlling brightness and contrast

[tomas]

Hi,

[please, don't hijack threads -- people won't find your question.
Changed subject line]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:06PM -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> How do I control brightness and contrast in Debian? xrandr does not work.

You would have to tell us more about your setup.

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Re: Controlling brightness and contrast

[tomas]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2024 at 06:34:04AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> [please, don't hijack threads -- people won't find your question.
> Changed subject line]
> 
> On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:06PM -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > How do I control brightness and contrast in Debian? xrandr does not work.
> 
> You would have to tell us more about your setup.

OP posted in another thread. Sorry for the noise.
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Re: playonlinux - bug?

[Hans]

Am Sonntag, 3. November 2024, 00:28:51 CET schrieb George at Clug:
Hi George,

I rechecked as you told and indeed, it is as you mentioned: Typing the 
beginning of an applications i.e. "Micros..." it shows all Microsoft thingies 
like Office and others.

This is a great help,. if you want to know, if playonlinux is supporting some 
app.

However, in ealier times playonlinux showd several categories, like "games", 
"office", "graphics" and so on. Thwese are gone, but I found no clue, if this 
is 
changed accidently by playonlinux developers or if it is a bug.

Maybe someone else is knowing more.

Best

Hans

> Hi Hans,
> 
> I checked my PlayOnLinux installation on Bookworm, and it works well,
> however list area is blank until I start typing into the search area,
> known options do get displayed.
> 
> For example, I typed "gild" for "Guild Wars 2" and options were
> displayed, two were for "Guild Wars 2".
> 
> I then tried "gen" and of options which were returned by the search,
> two options were for Genshin Impact.
> 
> Does your installation display options once you start typing?  (if
> your game is not listed, then please try the two tests that I tried)
> 
> This is not in answer to your question, but I have had the best
> success using Steam, and using "install non-steam games".
> 
> See below for a few links that I found which seem similar to your
> posted question.
> 
> George.
> 

Re: USB device not mounting

[Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ]

On Sunday, 3 November 2024 19:13:52 -03 D. R. Evans wrote:
> I have a USB device that has always worked fine in the past, but now I
> can no longer access it when it is plugged in to my bookworm systems.
> (I last used the device a couple of weeks ago.)
> 
> Once plugged in, lsusb shows it:

The Analyzer itself as a stand alone device works?
I'd try a factory reset and then connect again.
Annex 3, Setup Menu

Wish you success
vy 73 de Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE


> 
> 
> 
> [ZB:~] lsusb
> ...
> Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0483:a1de STMicroelectronics AA-35 Analyzer
> ...
> [ZB:~]
> 
> 
> 
> and dmesg shows it appearing on the system:
> 
> 
> 
> [ 2593.910210] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 11 using
> xhci_hcd [ 2594.059907] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0483,
> idProduct=a1de, bcdDevice= 2.00
> [ 2594.059922] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
> SerialNumber=3 [ 2594.059929] usb 1-1: Product: AA-35 Analyzer
> [ 2594.059935] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: RigExpert
> [ 2594.059940] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 135003719
> [ 2594.066339] hid-generic 0003:0483:A1DE.000A: hiddev0,hidraw2: USB
> HID v1.11 Device [RigExpert AA-35 Analyzer] on
> usb-:00:14.0-1/input0
> 
> 
> 
> but it no longer appears in lsusb, and I can find no way to access the
> device :-(
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions for things to do to try to
> make the device accessible once again?
> 
> (As far as I can tell, all other USB devices are working as usual.)
> 
>Doc


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Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Nov 04, 2024 at 06:00:03AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> > A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
> 
> I can see why you might THINK this is a good requirement: you're
> probably thinking that by only wanting minimal features you could use
> simple, robust software. However, I think it's a bad requirement that is
> severely restricting your choices here.
> 

This - I wish Martin Wheeler were still around to give me some authoritative
steer.

HTML was, essentially, a subset of SGML at one point. if you write your
HTML with the appropriate Document Type Definition, you limit yourself
to the features supported by that DTD.

You can *write* HTML 2.0 or 3.2 or 4.01 and the parser parsing it will
spit out any features that are not supported. Amaya was intended as
an editor and a parser by the W3C, for example.


> I think it is likely that any HTML browser would be expected to render
> modern HTML, and any browser that doesn't would have a very tiny user
> base.
> 

HTML itself, as distinct from CSS, is largely backwards compatible.
The Wayback Machine read my website in the 1990s and it's still
readable and printable in a modern browser.

> Installing 20+ year old software just to make sure it can never parse
> HTML5 is total lunacy. There will be no support community for such a
> thing for a start, so any problem you have is going to be a showstopper.
> 

Richard - your quest makes me think of the following analogy:

"I would like to remind myself how driving was in the 1960s - so I'll
build a replica 1960s car" - no, go and find an enthusiast to let you
drive a Ford Anglia or whatever for an hour and remember both how good
and how bad it was. Let them have the problems :)

> If you want simple robust output and behaviour I think it's probably
> better to get that by making sure the CONTENT is very simple HTML. Then
> you get to choose from every web browser that exists today.
> 

All absolutely true - Andy Smith is correct here. 

> > Any suggestions?
> 
> Consider writing content in Markdown instead and using pandoc to turn
> that into HTML and/or PDF.
> 

Good suggestion, Andy - but that would be *another* rabbit hole for 
Richard to go down and for the list readers to trouble shoot and
problem solve in due course.

> Thanks,
> Andy
> 

All the very best to all, as ever,

Andrew Cater
(amaca...@debian.org)
> 

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Roger Price]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:


I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.


You do not say whether you will be writing HTML or whether you will simply read 
it.


If you are writing HTML, then you need to decide on your DTD and validate 
against it.  If you want something really simple, try ISO-HTML [ISO/IEC 15445] 
which is smaller than the W3C's HTML Strict.


ISO-HTML was developed to put the weight of the ISO/IEC behind the W3C and help 
them hold the core of the HyperText Markup Language steady whilst under 
commercial pressure. See https://rogerprice.org/15445/15445.html for the User's 
Guide, which includes the full text of the Standard, and the DTD.


Roger

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[NNTP Surfer]

Richard Owlett  writes:
> I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
> I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
> In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
> Any suggestions?

Emacs and it's eww mode.

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Antonio Russo]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered. 


On 11/3/24 07:51, Richard Owlett wrote:

Manpage for w3m hints it may be particularly suitable.
Will investigate elinks further as it is in Debian 12 repository.


Unfortunately, the source code of w3m indicates that it does support
html5.  I can't actually fathom why not-supporting is a hard requirement,
but, trusting your statement, you should probably just use a browser
version that significantly predates HTML5 (since defacto support of that
standard presumably predates the full standardization).  Maybe target
Firefox 1.0?  HTML5 is really old at this point, so you're going to
have trouble finding a browser that doesn't support a significant
part of it.

Best,
Antonio

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Bret Busby]

On 3/11/24 21:43, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
[Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will be 
isolated from web by design.]


I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.

Any suggestions?
TIA



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML#HTML_version_timeline
shows
"
HTML version timeline
HTML 2
November 24, 1995
HTML 2.0 was published as RFC 1866. Supplemental RFCs added capabilities:
November 25, 1995: RFC 1867 (form-based file upload)
May 1996: RFC 1942 (tables)
August 1996: RFC 1980 (client-side image maps)
January 1997: RFC 2070 (internationalization)
HTML 3
January 14, 1997
HTML 3.2[15] was published as a W3C Recommendation. It was the first 
version developed and standardized exclusively by the W3C, as the IETF 
had closed its HTML Working Group on September 12, 1996.[16]
Initially code-named "Wilbur",[17] HTML 3.2 dropped math formulas 
entirely, reconciled overlap among various proprietary extensions and 
adopted most of Netscape's visual markup tags. Netscape's blink element 
and Microsoft's marquee element were omitted due to a mutual agreement 
between the two companies.[13] A markup for mathematical formulas 
similar to that of HTML was standardized 14 months later in MathML.

"

So, for HTML 2, you probably want a web browser from 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers
shows, for 1996, the available web browsers were
"
1996LynxNetscapeOpera   IE  Mac IE  
Jan 2.0B*   
Feb 
Mar 2.0 
Apr 2.0 2.0
May 2.5 
Jun 
Jul 
Aug 3.0 3.0 2.1
Sep 2.6 
Oct 
Nov 
Dec 2.10
"

At
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser
is
"1996	Amaya 0.9,[48] Arachne 1.0, AWeb, Cyberdog, Internet Explorer 3.0, 
Netscape Navigator 3.0, Opera 2.0, PowerBrowser 1.5,[49] Voyager"


You want the applicable web browser to run on Debian.

So, you would probably need to be running Lynx 2.6, or Netscape 3.0, or 
Opera 2.10, running on Debian Buzz or Debian Rex.


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(UTC+0800)
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Re: control brightness and contrast

[David Wright]

On Sun 03 Nov 2024 at 19:44:20 (-0800), tom arnall wrote:
> How do I control brightness and contrast in Debian? xrandr does not work.

Take a look at:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/10/msg00648.html

Cheers,
David.

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[David Wright]

On Mon 04 Nov 2024 at 05:38:00 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote:
> On 4/11/24 04:21, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 3/11/24 21:43, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> > > A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
> > > I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
> > > In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
> > > [Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will
> > > be isolated from web by design.]
> > > 
> > > I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
> > > Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions?

> Probably just simpler, if you want a minimalist web browser for HTML
> 2, is to run Lynx 2.6 on Debian Buzz or Debian Rex.

Somewhat closer to Debian 9 would be running Amaya, which was
last released on Debian 3.1 (sarge), I believe, as amaya 8.5.
I think a WYSIWYG HTML editor might qualify as a viewer.

https://www.w3.org/Amaya/ says that the latest version, 11.4.4,
about 12 years old, is available, and offers support for
HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, XHTML Basic, XHTML 1.1, HTTP 1.1, MathML 2.0,
many CSS 2 features, and SVG.

There are 32- and 64-bit versions available as .deb packages,
around 20MB. They would be about five years older then Debian 9's
actual release date.

Cheers,
David.

Re: [solved, more] Re: Grub menu entry for a system on a second drive.

[David Wright]

On Sat 02 Nov 2024 at 07:46:33 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: pe...@easthope.ca
> Date: 27 Oct 2024 11:26:12 -0700
> > Rather than spend more time investigating, will put the HDD in the 
> > target machine and work there.  Remove some of the complications.
> 
> Happened to connect a USB hub before dealing with the Void drive.  
> Noticed the USB socket where the Void drive was connected had a black 
> plastic contact carrier and another socket had a blue carrier. Blue is 
> USB 3.  Black isn't?  So plugged the USB adapter with the Void drive 
> into the blue socket.  Voila; Grub was able to boot the Void system 
> reliably. Spent the better part of a day investigating when a USB plug 
> just needed moving.  =8~/
> 
> In case anyone is interested, these topics remain.
> 
> * Why does the ThinkCentre have differing USB sockets?

Well, the anecdote above suggests that one reason might be to offer
reliable ports for plugging USB2 devices into.

Using a USB2 device on USB3 slows the interface tenfold. I don't know
whether neighbouring USB3 sockets' speed can influence each other,
which would mean not mixing USB2 and USB3 devices on such sockets.

One obvious reason might be cost: USB3 sockets are more complex,
with 9 connections rather than 4, and there's the necessity to
support compatibility with USB2.

> * With the adapter labeled USB 2.0, why is plugging in USB 3 necessary 
> to boot the external system?

Who knows. You've got, what, a SATA disk connected to an adapter
connected to a hub connected to oldish computer? Or is the hub
separate? IDK. Anyway, are all these connectors in good condition?
Perhaps the sockets are a bit worn. Perhaps the compatibility
switching is unreliable. Perhaps it's mobo or firmware related.

I've got, or had, computers with USB ports that don't work with,
or boot from, certain sticks, and computers that only boot from
sticks in certain ports. It's par for the course.

> * The Grub2 manual could explain more about USB and the nativedisk 
> command. In fact, the manual needs work in many places.

Maintainers may need feedback about what and where needs attention.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.

I can see why you might THINK this is a good requirement: you're
probably thinking that by only wanting minimal features you could use
simple, robust software. However, I think it's a bad requirement that is
severely restricting your choices here.

I think it is likely that any HTML browser would be expected to render
modern HTML, and any browser that doesn't would have a very tiny user
base.

Installing 20+ year old software just to make sure it can never parse
HTML5 is total lunacy. There will be no support community for such a
thing for a start, so any problem you have is going to be a showstopper.

If you want simple robust output and behaviour I think it's probably
better to get that by making sure the CONTENT is very simple HTML. Then
you get to choose from every web browser that exists today.

> Any suggestions?

Make simple HTML and view it with whatever you currently use to browse
the web.

Consider writing content in Markdown instead and using pandoc to turn
that into HTML and/or PDF.

Thanks,
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control brightness and contrast

[tom arnall]

How do I control brightness and contrast in Debian? xrandr does not work.

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Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[tom arnall]

How do I control brightness and contrast in Debian? xrandr does not work.

Re: playonlinux - bug?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 12:28 PM Hans  wrote:
>
> it would be nice, if one could check, if the application "playonlinux" is
> running correctly on debian/stable.
>
> Here it starts, but when I update the list of installable games and apps, it
> only shows some games. Also all icons for other categories are missing, the
> only one is an icon called "Patchesdia:nt" (whatever this means).
>
> In earlier versions by clicking on "install" I got a bunch of categories
> showed. These are all missing now.
>
> Yes, I know, Playonlinux is made for stretch and Jessie (read on the
> homepage), but as it is still available in bookworm.
>
> Thus, before I file a bugreport, I want to make sure, there is areal bug and
> not a misconfiguration on my site.
>
> The described appearance is on both of my debian/bookworm systems.

Maybe try ? See
.

Jeff

Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

[Christian]

So far I couldn't see anything in my
cmdline which is kernel_lockdown related.

If this means that you already looked into

   /proc/cmdline

then i am out of ideas why the kernel log reported

[   47.042454] Lockdown: Xorg: raw io port access is restricted; see man
kernel_lockdown.7


Turns out, the parameters for kernel_lockdown are fixed defined in 
include/config/auto.conf but can be enhanced by writing these rules to 
the kernel cmdline.


In /sys/kernel/security/lockdown can one see all activated components. 
But it looks that it's not possible to delete certain parameters. Which 
can be changed however is the state of kernel_lockdown in 
/sys/kernel/security/lockdown




Well, it is not clear whether this is really the showstopper for Xorg
on Nvidia's driver. There were error messages before the "Lockdown"
message.

Kevin Chadwick wrote:

Have you tried disabling secure boot?

If this is possible then we would at least learn whether Secure Boot is
the origin of the problem or just a red herring.

Well yes, and it's pretty confusing because I disabled secure boot, and 
the problems remained. Which makes me really clueless, because there is 
not much information left on the dmesg. Maybe its something with BIOS or 
ACPI? By adding loglevel=3 to the cmdline I got something more:


[    0.277298] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.SADX], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277301] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277304] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.SADS], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277306] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277306] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x0014)
[    0.277307] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14._DSM], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277308] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277309] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x0014)
[    0.277310] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BTRT], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277311] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277312] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x5B84)
[    0.277325] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.DBTR], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277326] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277327] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x5B84)
[    0.277328] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14._PRR], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277329] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277329] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x0014)
[    0.277330] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BRDY], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277331] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277334] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BGAP], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277335] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277337] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BRDS], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277338] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277339] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x0014)
[    0.277340] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.ECKY], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277341] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277342] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.ECKV], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277343] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277344] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName 
unavailable (0x0014)
[    0.277345] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GPCX], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277346] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog 
(20220331/psobject-220)
[    0.277349] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GPC], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
[    0.277350] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name 

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Richard Owlett]

On 11/3/24 8:21 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
[Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will be isolated
from web by design.]

I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.

Any suggestions?
TIA



elinks, lyinx, w3m - all command line.


Manpage for w3m hints it may be particularly suitable.
Will investigate elinks further as it is in Debian 12 repository.



Dillo / Netsurf


Will investigate Dillo. www.dillo.org has little descriptive info.
Netsurf aims to provide comprehensive rendering of HTML 5 with CSS 2 :{



It's also worth having a quick look at Vince's presentation on Netsurf
from mini-DebConf Cambridge 2024

https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2024/MiniDebConf-Cambridge/waferconf-18-netsurf-past-as-prologue.lq.webm

[Take out the lq. if you want the higher quality / higher bandwidth version]

Maybe also one of the older editors like bluefish which can be set to check
HTML and display it as well as edit it.


My browser history shows I've previously looked at it as a potential 
editor. Kate was preferable editor.




Hope this helps, all the very best as ever

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)




Thanks

USB device not mounting

[D. R. Evans]

I have a USB device that has always worked fine in the past, but now I can no 
longer access it when it is plugged in to my bookworm systems. (I last used 
the device a couple of weeks ago.)


Once plugged in, lsusb shows it:



[ZB:~] lsusb
...
Bus 001 Device 011: ID 0483:a1de STMicroelectronics AA-35 Analyzer
...
[ZB:~]



and dmesg shows it appearing on the system:



[ 2593.910210] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB device number 11 using xhci_hcd
[ 2594.059907] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0483, idProduct=a1de, 
bcdDevice= 2.00

[ 2594.059922] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 2594.059929] usb 1-1: Product: AA-35 Analyzer
[ 2594.059935] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: RigExpert
[ 2594.059940] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 135003719
[ 2594.066339] hid-generic 0003:0483:A1DE.000A: hiddev0,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 
Device [RigExpert AA-35 Analyzer] on usb-:00:14.0-1/input0




but it no longer appears in lsusb, and I can find no way to access the device 
:-(

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions for things to do to try to make the 
device accessible once again?


(As far as I can tell, all other USB devices are working as usual.)

  Doc

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Re: X server blocked by SecureBoot

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 4:04 PM Christian  wrote:
> [...]
> Well yes, and it's pretty confusing because I disabled secure boot, and
> the problems remained. Which makes me really clueless, because there is
> not much information left on the dmesg. Maybe its something with BIOS or
> ACPI? By adding loglevel=3 to the cmdline I got something more:
>
> [0.277298] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.SADX], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277301] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277304] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.SADS], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277306] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277306] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277307] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14._DSM], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277308] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277309] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277310] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BTRT], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277311] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277312] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x5B84)
> [0.277325] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.DBTR], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277326] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277327] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x5B84)
> [0.277328] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14._PRR], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277329] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277329] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277330] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BRDY], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277331] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277334] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BGAP], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277335] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277337] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BRDS], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277338] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277339] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277340] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.ECKY], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277341] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277342] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.ECKV], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277343] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277344] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277345] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GPCX], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277346] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277349] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GPC], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277350] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277351] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277352] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GLAX], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277352] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277355] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.GLAI], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> [0.277356] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog
> (20220331/psobject-220)
> [0.277356] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> unavailable (0x0014)
> [0.277357] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PC00.XHCI.RHUB.HS14.BTLY], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20220331/dswload2-326)
> 

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Bret Busby]

On 4/11/24 04:21, Bret Busby wrote:

On 3/11/24 21:43, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
[Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will be 
isolated from web by design.]


I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.

Any suggestions?
TIA



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML#HTML_version_timeline
shows
"
HTML version timeline
HTML 2
November 24, 1995
HTML 2.0 was published as RFC 1866. Supplemental RFCs added capabilities:
November 25, 1995: RFC 1867 (form-based file upload)
May 1996: RFC 1942 (tables)
August 1996: RFC 1980 (client-side image maps)
January 1997: RFC 2070 (internationalization)
HTML 3
January 14, 1997
HTML 3.2[15] was published as a W3C Recommendation. It was the first 
version developed and standardized exclusively by the W3C, as the IETF 
had closed its HTML Working Group on September 12, 1996.[16]
Initially code-named "Wilbur",[17] HTML 3.2 dropped math formulas 
entirely, reconciled overlap among various proprietary extensions and 
adopted most of Netscape's visual markup tags. Netscape's blink element 
and Microsoft's marquee element were omitted due to a mutual agreement 
between the two companies.[13] A markup for mathematical formulas 
similar to that of HTML was standardized 14 months later in MathML.

"

So, for HTML 2, you probably want a web browser from 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_web_browsers
shows, for 1996, the available web browsers were
"
1996    Lynx    Netscape    Opera    IE    Mac IE
Jan    2.0B*
Feb
Mar    2.0
Apr    2.0    2.0
May    2.5
Jun
Jul
Aug    3.0    3.0    2.1
Sep    2.6
Oct
Nov
Dec    2.10
"

At
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_web_browser
is
"1996    Amaya 0.9,[48] Arachne 1.0, AWeb, Cyberdog, Internet Explorer 
3.0, Netscape Navigator 3.0, Opera 2.0, PowerBrowser 1.5,[49] Voyager"


You want the applicable web browser to run on Debian.

So, you would probably need to be running Lynx 2.6, or Netscape 3.0, or 
Opera 2.10, running on Debian Buzz or Debian Rex.



Sorry - that last sentence should have been instead,
"So, you would probably need to be running Lynx 2.6, or Netscape 
Navigator 3.0, or Opera 2.10, running on Debian Buzz or Debian Rex."


I was referring to only the web browser component, and, in version 3.0, 
Netscape had more.


At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape is
"
Netscape Navigator was Netscape's web browser from versions 1.0–4.8. The 
first beta versions were released in 1994 and were called Mosaic and 
later Mosaic Netscape. Then, a legal challenge from the National Center 
for Supercomputing Applications (makers of NCSA Mosaic), which many of 
Netscape's founders used to develop, led to the name Netscape Navigator. 
The company's name also changed from Mosaic Communications Corporation 
to Netscape Communications Corporation.


The browser was easily the most advanced available and so was an instant 
success, becoming a market leader while still in beta. Netscape's 
feature-count and market share continued to grow rapidly after version 
1.0 was released. Version 2.0 added a full email reader called Netscape 
Mail, thus transforming Netscape from a single-purpose web browser to an 
Internet suite. The email client's main distinguishing feature was its 
ability to display HTML email. During this period, the entire suite was 
called Netscape Navigator.


Version 3.0 of Netscape (the first beta was codenamed "Atlas") was the 
first to face any serious competition in the form of Microsoft Internet 
Explorer 3.0. But Netscape remained the most popular browser at that time.


Netscape also released a Gold version of Navigator 3.0 that incorporated 
WYSIWYG editing with drag and drop between web editor and email components.

"

Okay, what I meant, was the web browser component of Netscape Navigator 
3.0 ...


Probably just simpler, if you want a minimalist web browser for HTML 2, 
is to run Lynx 2.6 on Debian Buzz or Debian Rex.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2024 at 07:43:44AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
> A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
> I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
> In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
> [Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will be isolated
> from web by design.]
> 
> I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
> Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> TIA
>

elinks, lyinx, w3m - all command line.

Dillo / Netsurf

It's also worth having a quick look at Vince's presentation on Netsurf
from mini-DebConf Cambridge 2024

https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2024/MiniDebConf-Cambridge/waferconf-18-netsurf-past-as-prologue.lq.webm

[Take out the lq. if you want the higher quality / higher bandwidth version]

Maybe also one of the older editors like bluefish which can be set to check
HTML and display it as well as edit it.

Hope this helps, all the very best as ever

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org) 

Minimalist HTML 4 viewer available?

[Richard Owlett]

I'm working on a weird personal proof-of-concept project.
A HTML 5 compatible browser will *NOT* be considered.
I would really prefer a product aimed at HTML 2.
In any case CSS and/or JavaScript will not be used.
[Before I get flamed on supposed security issues - system will be 
isolated from web by design.]


I would prefer it operate under 64 bit Debian 12.
Operation under i386 Debian 9 would be acceptable.

Any suggestions?
TIA

Re: Unable to Resize Playlist Window in Qmmp Player

[Florent Rougon]

Hi,

Le 03/11/2024, Max Nikulin  a écrit:

> Alt is convenient while working with applications that frequently create new
> windows. Unfortunately it shadows useful actions in various applications.
> Browsers allows to select text withing a link without opening it. Graphics
> editors use modifiers for mouse events as well. For me it is a reason to keep
> disabled Alt gestures in window managers.

For Openbox (which can be used as the window manager within XFCE), I
have in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml:


  ...

  
...

  


...

  

...

This way, I can move (resp. resize) windows using the left (resp. right)
mouse button while the left logo key is being held (xev calls the key
Super_L). This allows Alt-drag to work normally in Firefox to select
text from clickable links (as well as Alt-LMB to work in Gimp, etc.).

Regards

-- 
Florent