Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
On Sb, 29 mai 21, 19:09:36, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hello Andrei > > Thank you for your advice and time. I really appreciate it. > > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 2:49 PM > > From: "Andrei POPESCU" > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of > > software/security updates? > > > > Removing files belonging to a package is typically frowned upon, as this > > can under specific circumstances be like pulling the rug from underneath > > a package (or worse, APT/dpkg). > > Oops. I removed/deleted the file 50unattended-upgrades located in > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ > > > > In the case of configuration files (basically everything that is under > > /etc and a few other places) it can cause unexpected or even unsafe > > behaviour as the software might revert to built-in defaults that could > > be wrong for your system. > > I suppose 50unattended-upgrades is a configuration file? Yes. You also disabled the background service, so it should be fine. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
re: cannot download debian buster becase error in running ubuntu
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Why don't you give Ubuntu a call or check on their mailing list ? > You problem seems much more related to Ubuntu than Debian. > > The only thing I can tell you is look inside /var/lib/dpkg/info/ > and remove the file .postrm (or whatever you need). This way you will be > able to remove the package or install it. > > On 2021-05-29 9:18 a.m., Anton Wessel wrote: >> apt-get upgrade debian-archive-keyring >> exits with error because removing of Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside, you are still top posting. Would you please stop doing this. thank you in advance
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
Hi Greg, > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 8:58 PM > From: "Greg Wooledge" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of > software/security updates? > > tasksel will also perform an autoremove for you without asking you. > It was after this happened to me that I investigated how to disable > apt's autoremove feature. > Thanks for your observation about tasksel and autoremove. About the only time that I encountered tasksel was during the installation of Debian. Since you mentioned tasksel in your reply, how do you invoke tasksel? Do you just type tasksel in a terminal?
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
Hi Andrei > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 3:06 PM > From: "Andrei POPESCU" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of > software/security updates? > > aptitude was deprecated for some very specific uses only (in particular > dist-upgrades), not because it couldn't do them, but because APT found > better solutions. It also didn't help that development of aptitude was > stopped for a while. Yeah, I remember somewhat clearly that someone in www.reddit.com/r/debian advised me to use "sudo apt upgrade" instead of aptitude because with the former, I can see the green-colored progress bar during the installation of packages. > > In this particular case, apt doesn't have a 'why' command, hence the > suggestion to use aptitude instead. > Thanks for your advice and time. I really appreciate it. Best regards.
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 12:45:13PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: [...] > Thanks for your observation about tasksel and autoremove. > > About the only time that I encountered tasksel was during the installation of > Debian. > > Since you mentioned tasksel in your reply, how do you invoke tasksel? Do you > just type tasksel in a terminal? Not Greg here, but... yes, you can do that. And there's even a man page :) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
Hi Thanks for your help and time. I really appreciate it. > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 at 5:29 PM > From: l0f...@tuta.io > To: "Debian User" > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of > software/security updates? > > NB: You can still filter `apt-cache rdepends` results with some other > switches like `--no-pre-depends`, `--no-recommends`, `--no-suggests`, > `--no-conflicts`, `--no-breaks`, `--no-replaces` and `--no-enhances`. Thanks for the above tip. Can I do something like the following using your above filters? sudo apt rdepends --no-recommends sudo apt rdepends --no-suggests > > As said Socrates: "I know that I do not know.". It happens everyday for me ;p > I think you're being modest. You know so much more than me. > Back to your question, here are other suggestions I can think about: > * cron-apt > * apticron (its goal is only to send notifications by emails but it certainly > triggers `apt update` to do that. So maybe this update triggers some other > things from your side as well, like widgets...) > * widgets/applets for your favorite desktop environment (I can't help you, I > don't use any...) My knowledge of computing, Linux and Debian is elementary and hence I won't know how to set up a cron-apt or use apticron. Question: Is it a prerequisite (pre-condition) that to set up a cron job to download updates at a fixed time every day, the OS must have the installed package "unattended-upgrades"? > > NB: If not explicitely mentioned by a debian-user poster, most of the time > (s)he is a subscriber of this mailing-list. At least I am, so you can omit my > email address in each of your answers (I'm currently receiving all your > emails twice) ;) > I apologize if I have caused inconvenience to you and shall remember to remove your email address when I reply to yours. Best regards.
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
Hi > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 7:00 PM > From: to...@tuxteam.de > To: "Stella Ashburne" > Cc: "Greg Wooledge" , debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of > software/security updates? > > Not Greg here, but... yes, you can do that. And there's even a man > page :) Thanks for your reply. Best wishes.
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 01:08:18PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Question: Is it a prerequisite (pre-condition) that to set up a cron job to > download updates at a fixed time every day, the OS must have the installed > package "unattended-upgrades"? Nope. You can write your own cron job to do it. The thing is, the simple and obvious way to do it via cron is slightly dangerous. When cron runs apt-get or apt or whatever you choose, *you* have no ability to interact with it. If a package comes with a NEWS.Debian.gz file that it wants to display to you to warn you about some new incompatible change, or if it wants to ask you whether it should replace a conffile that has been altered, or *any* kind of question, it can't. So, the simple and obvious workaround for that, when writing a cron job to do this, would be to use apt-get's "-y" flag. This may not do what you want in all situations. On the other hand, your question is interesting, in that it says "download updates", not "install updates". If you really do mean "download the packages and let them sit in /var/cache but don't install them", then there's no danger. You can write a cron job to do that, no problem at all. Of course, then the question becomes one of your workflow. Are you going to look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ yourself once a day, to see whether there's a new file there? Are you going to set up your cron job to email you whenever a package is downloaded? Are you simply going to run "apt-get -u upgrade" or some equivalent once a day? There are lots of possibilities here. You just have to decide what you want, and then implement it.
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
On Sun, 30 May 2021 13:08:18 +0200 Stella Ashburne wrote: > My knowledge of computing, Linux and Debian is elementary and hence I > won't know how to set up a cron-apt or use apticron. > > Question: Is it a prerequisite (pre-condition) that to set up a cron > job to download updates at a fixed time every day, the OS must have > the installed package "unattended-upgrades"? No, unattended upgrades is not a requirement. I used the following cron job for years until recently. I started using something like it when I was on dial-up and wanted to speed up the upgrade process by having the new packages already on my computers. Over the past year or so I have phased in unattended-upgrades. 5 3 *** root/usr/bin/apt-get update > /dev/null && /usr/bin/apt-get -dy dist-upgrade > /dev/null (That is all one line. I expect your mail reader will wrap it horribly. When you copy and paste it, straighten it out into all one line.) I suggest that, as root, you put it in its own unique file in /etc/cron.d. That way it will survive updates to other files. A brief explanation of what it does: At 03:05 every morning, as root, run apt-get update to update apt-get's cache. If that's successful (the &&), run apt-get dist-upgrade for downloads only (-d) and assume a "yes" answer to all questions (-y). In both cases, discard the standard output by sending it to the null device. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: examples for man pages
On 05/29/2021 03:20 PM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Sat, 29 May 2021, at 21:03, Richard Owlett wrote: The man page is, putting *mildly*, overwhelming. Is there a recommended introduction to curl. curl is a big subject. While it's very useful to people who write scripts etc, on many platforms, the whole manual is aimed at programmers using it. Inevitably a lot of the information is quite detailed. If you're looking to learn more about one subject, getting distracted into learning about curl is possibly not a great idea! For a quick summary of some basic uses of curl, see https://curl.se/docs/manual.html For an longer, but much more educational read, try https://everything.curl.dev/ which was written by curl's author. Both suffer from the same "feature" as the man page - abundance of fine detail. The second appears to to have a very good index so that if you need a particular detail, it should be quickly found. After browsing both I did: https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=what%20is%20linux%20curl The first hits each gave few examples, but they hit a wide range of topics. Thus answering an underlying question, "Why would I want to use curl?"
chromium browser lost stored passwords after upgrade from Stretch to Buster
I upgraded on 25th May office computer Debian Stretch to Buster. Home directory comes from NFS server. Chromium browser now longer has the stored passwords available. Other browsers, Firefox and Google Chrome, do have the passwords still. Where did chromium browser on Stretch store the passwords? It is not ~/.config/chromium/Default/Login Data, I restored from old backups but on none of the backed up files does the logins -table contain any entries. Does it matter if chromium is started with parameters %U -incognito
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
Stella Ashburne wrote: > > Question: Is it a prerequisite (pre-condition) that to set up a cron job to > download updates at a fixed time every day, the OS must have the installed > package "unattended-upgrades"? > No. apt install apticron will get you a customizable cron job that will: - update the package lists daily - optionally download but not install updated packages - send you mail about updated packages (at an address of your choice) -dsr-
thunderbird
for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird.
Re: thunderbird
fxkl47BF wrote: > for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. > i'm considering a new mail application. > there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. > what are your thoughts of thunderbird. It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at everything. If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, mutt is the best mail user agent available, especially when you have local mail storage and can install one of the mail search companions, plus a filtering system like courier's mailfilter. -dsr-
Re: thunderbird
On 31-05-2021 05:48, Dan Ritter wrote: > fxkl47BF wrote: >> for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. >> i'm considering a new mail application. >> there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. >> what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > > It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at > everything. > > If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, > mutt is the best mail user agent available, especially when you > have local mail storage and can install one of the mail search > companions, plus a filtering system like courier's mailfilter. A vote for ClawsMail, with all installed options. I threw Thunderbird away for it. Cheers! Harry -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: thunderbird
On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + fxkl47BF wrote: > for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. > i'm considering a new mail application. > there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. > what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched to Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. -- Joe
Re: thunderbird
On 31/5/21 2:29 am, fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. I use thunderbird for skimming through incoming email before downloading it, to deal with messages that may need quick responses, but thunderbird often crashes, sometimes causing system crashes, because of malicious javascripts in it "error - unresponsive script" - which happens every day or so, if the application is not closed immediately after skimming through the new incoming messages. And, as said, it can cause system crashes. It is quick and very dirty. I also use claws mail for one account, that rarely has traffic. But, claws mail is not easy to use, in terms of transferring messages from one installation to another; its folder management is not very good. I use alpine, and have been using alpine, and, before that, pine, for about thirty years. I was using it before the Internet existed. I have not found any email application that is as powerful, sturdy, and reliable, as alpine/pine, and, alpine/pine is the safest email application, insofar as I am aware. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: examples for man pages
On 2021-05-29, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I'll have to reconfigure something on my system. Executing 'curl > cheat.sh/cp' resulted in light grey text on white background ;/ > '\?T' for text only, no ANSI sequences curl cht.sh/cp\?T curl cheat.sh/:help
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 4:04 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched to Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. Thunderbird will find all the esoteric locations, etc. that email systems need to function. Claws mail does not. If I knew how to find the necessary information, I would try claws mail. --doug
Re: thunderbird
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 03:48:31PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > fxkl47BF wrote: > > for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. > > i'm considering a new mail application. > > there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. > > what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > > It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at > everything. > > If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, > mutt is the best mail user agent available [...] If you liked (al)pine, you'll feel right at home with mutt. Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: thunderbird
On 31-05-2021 06:24, Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 5/30/21 4:04 PM, Joe wrote: > >> On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + >> fxkl47BF wrote: >> >>> for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. >>> i'm considering a new mail application. >>> there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. >>> what are your thoughts of thunderbird. >> >> A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched >> to >> Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. > Thunderbird will find all the esoteric locations, etc. that email > systems need to function. Claws mail does not. If I knew how > to find the necessary information, I would try claws mail. > --doug I run a small business with ClawsMail and it answers all requirements. I find the problems others experience with it are associated with not being familiar with the various installable options. File transfer? No problem! And the calendar/appointments set up is excellent. Cheers! Harry. -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: thunderbird
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, May 30, 2021 2:24 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >... (snip) Look into ProtonMail. Web based, slow sometimes (they're in Switzerland), but PGP encryption if possible, and free. Works, too. -- Glenn English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: ProtonMail wsBzBAEBCAAGBQJgs/uxACEJEJ/XhjGCrIwyFiEELKJzD0JScCVjQA2Xn9eG MYKsjDJjGAf+IUTG2wVMAwLkd9R5a6sC1WiU8T3YfqdORbH3YnRYqjKwZ2He ZdI0vJJ59Jbq7UD5s6Pj30wYXruSwYS7TuwWPZWVrjvukor1enop5E7wlkfg sdml/6I6vhuUFirY8kzJRNvZnjATAUpDMZx/34X5Smnbz5hbLqlA6bnpf8Hf QXqy6U9YyiCu3Wgbf0MCNEF4Q9OEj57Ex8UaJgngLdZsSLBLpkTnFgi/fjSc RcU5gH47F9nYVkQRge56KoM8UPw7Kv+I/i3YPkcrNEqE9mqG7BaRD6FQkPnt L+ZioQ9TFAcfU1Uvf1Wp0Bg8uStz2cgU2SCL84UdynEaOiXQnoVrSQ== =voHw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 3:48 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at everything. If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, mutt is the best mail user agent available, especially when you have local mail storage and can install one of the mail search companions, plus a filtering system like courier's mailfilter. -dsr- I'd prefer to use a client like mutt, but I've resorted to using Thunderbird because I find the integrated calendar to be useful. Incidentally, I can use all of Thunderbird's mail functions from the keyboard. But I do have to use the mouse almost exclusively for controlling the calendar, which has actually got worse about this issue in the most recent versions. If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. JPW
Re: thunderbird
On 31/5/21 4:24 am, Bret Busby wrote: On 31/5/21 2:29 am, fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. I use thunderbird for skimming through incoming email before downloading it, to deal with messages that may need quick responses, but thunderbird often crashes, sometimes causing system crashes, because of malicious javascripts in it "error - unresponsive script" - which happens every day or so, if the application is not closed immediately after skimming through the new incoming messages. And, as said, it can cause system crashes. It is quick and very dirty. I also use claws mail for one account, that rarely has traffic. But, claws mail is not easy to use, in terms of transferring messages from one installation to another; its folder management is not very good. I use alpine, and have been using alpine, and, before that, pine, for about thirty years. I was using it before the Internet existed. I have not found any email application that is as powerful, sturdy, and reliable, as alpine/pine, and, alpine/pine is the safest email application, insofar as I am aware. Oh, and, in case you are not already aware, the two thunderbird mailing lists apparently comprise of users only, whereas the alpine mailing list includes the developer, who is active on the list, and, seeks input from users, including for prospective changes, whereas some of the changes that are proposed for thunderbird, are simply "like it or lump it - this is what we will do / have done", and, intended changes to be implemented in the next version of thunderbird, are not wanted, by a number of current thunderbird users. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: thunderbird
On Sun, 30 May 2021 16:56:17 -0400 James Wallen wrote: > If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd > certainly like to switch. Take a look at claws-mail's calendar plug-in. Not text, but it might let you use claws-mail. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
PGP: difference between Kleopatra and Kgpg, both from KDE
Hello, Could someone explain for a raw beginner concerning the usage of PGP the difference between Kleopatra and Kgpg, what the typical work case is for the one and the other, what important feature the one and the other is missing? Sorry for the related but low specific questions in the following. Being a raw beginner in the topic of PGP signing of email messages, it is difficult to even know what exactly to ask for. My internet search engine of choice and the KDE web sites both unfortunately did not guide me to a nice reading about the differences of Kleopatra and Kgpg, and adding Thunderbird to this does not make the topic easier to grasp. Therefore please allow me to add the following complex of questions: The background to my questions is, that I am aiming to soon use PGP signatures when working with Thunderbird, but I would not know if Kleopatra or if Kpgp would be better suited to support this. Besides, as a raw beginner in the topic of PGP, I am not even sure right now if I might find good usage of PGP for whatever else in the future (maybe authentication for a ssh access?), and if for this I should right away start to get comfortable with the one or the other tool, Kleopatra or Kpgp, or if anyway both will be needed because they target different work cases or complement each other? At the moment my impression is that Thunderbird even comes with its own PGP implementation and is not using any other PGP parts of the rest of my Debian? Will Kleopatra or Kpgp then be of any help for me at all right now? I find package "gnupg" (maybe for the package manager apt to work fine?), but no package which in its package name would explicitly contain the word openpgp. Is there a special openpgp package which I should install in order to get well prepared for a typical PGP future? Thanks a lot! Marco.
Re: thunderbird
On Mon, 31 May 2021 04:24:27 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > I also use claws mail for one account, that rarely has traffic. But, > claws mail is not easy to use, in terms of transferring messages from > one installation to another; Interesting. I have claws-mail on several computers, and keep them automatically synchronized with syncthing. The trick is, you should sync both your ~/Mail directory (mail) and your ~/.claws-mail (configuration and internal data). For laptops at remote locations, I use Unison manually. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 5:18 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2021 16:56:17 -0400 James Wallen wrote: If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. Take a look at claws-mail's calendar plug-in. Not text, but it might let you use claws-mail. Thanks! I should have looked a bit more carefully when I thought of claws-mail. I'm beginning to get the idea that claws-mail works best if you install every associated package. That's not something I normally do when testing new (to me) packages, but I guess it's what works best with claws-mail. On my system the mouse is used almost exclusively for aisleriot and mahjongg. I'm particularly fond of software that lets me keep my hands on the keyboard. I use window tiling features under Xfce4 and a suite of software that lets me largely avoid the mouse. I'll give claws-mail a try. JPW
Re: thunderbird
On Sun, 30 May 2021 13:55:29 -0700 Weaver wrote: > On 31-05-2021 06:24, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > On 5/30/21 4:04 PM, Joe wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + > >> fxkl47BF wrote: > >> > >>> for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. > >>> i'm considering a new mail application. > >>> there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. > >>> what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > >> > >> A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched > >> to > >> Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. > > Thunderbird will find all the esoteric locations, etc. that email > > systems need to function. Claws mail does not. If I knew how > > to find the necessary information, I would try claws mail. > > --doug > > I run a small business with ClawsMail and it answers all requirements. > I find the problems others experience with it are associated with not > being familiar with the various installable options. > File transfer? > No problem! > And the calendar/appointments set up is excellent. > Cheers! > > Harry. +1 -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. --Mark Twain *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 4:24 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote: On 5/30/21 4:04 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched to Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. Thunderbird will find all the esoteric locations, etc. that email systems need to function. Claws mail does not. If I knew how to find the necessary information, I would try claws mail. --doug I tried Claws mail a few years ago. I could never get it setup properly for IMAP. Thunderbird did it flawlessly. -- Frank McCormick
Re: thunderbird
On 30.05.21 20:29, fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. I am using Thunderbird without problems for years now. I have never had it crashing. Actually I came back to Thunderbird some 3 or 4 years ago (not perfectly sure, it was too long ago) after a short romance with KMail, which crashed frequently and even let all the system become so slow that it was unusable. I don't know about KMail's stability of today. Well the design of the GUI of KMail was quite nice that time, this is what made me testing it. I would test it again if more frequently confirmation about the current stability of KMail would be mentioned somewhere. So, no problems with the stability of Thunderbird for me. With some efforts it can be configured to nicely support my workflow, opening right away with opened tabs for EMail, Calendar and Task List, and showing upcoming events also as a side note on the main EMail tab. One of its weak points is the missing integration into the System Task bar of KDE Plasma - until you have been able to find, install and configure the extra tool from a third party needed for it. Another weak point is its missing integration with GnuPG - in this context I just placed a question about it here on the list: Thunderbird comes with its own PGP implementation and key administration, and for any usage of PGP outside of Thunderbird a parallel administration infrastructure has to be maintained. I did never use Thunderbird to connect to a MS Exchange server and therefore cannot state about this. I used it in the far past for standard POP, and am using it nowadays for standard IMAP accounts. I used it with its option for keeping all messages in one file, and with the other option to keep each message in an individual file. Both never made me any problems, although converting from the the one format to the other is not offered by Thunderbird and only due to using IMAP accounts I was able to manage this (downloading all messages again from the IMAP server). The decision on how to store the messages has to be done before the creation of an email account in Thunderbird. In summary, although the configuration of advanced options and appearance needs quite some effort, Thunderbird afterwards works like a charm. Good Luck! Marco.
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
First disconnect the disk; next run lsblk >lsblk.old, next connect the disk, next run lsblk >lsblk.new. Finally do a diff on lsblk.old lsblk.new and see if something shows up in lsblk.new that isn't in lsblk.old. On Mon, 31 May 2021, Long Wind wrote: > i have new usb 3 diski want to find out if usb 3 is used when it's connected > to stretch >
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Hi > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 at 8:36 AM > From: "Jude DaShiell" > To: "Long Wind" , "Debian-user Mailing List" > > Subject: Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used > > First disconnect the disk; next run lsblk >lsblk.old, next connect the > disk, next run lsblk >lsblk.new. Finally do a diff on lsblk.old lsblk.new > and see if something shows up in lsblk.new that isn't in lsblk.old. > Can I do a diff using the following command in a terminal? diff -c lsblk.old lsblk.new
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 8:03 PM, rust wrote: On 5/30/21 9:00 PM, James Wallen wrote: If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. JPW I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "work with mutt", but khalendar is pretty cool. I'm unable to locate "khalendar" in the repositories. I can't even find mention of it in general search engines. Is there a home url for it? Does the "k" at the beginning of the name indicate that it is part of kde? Thunderbird and its calendar (derived from Lightning) are nicely integrated, with the exception of the calendar requiring a lot of mousing around to use it. You can send and receive invitations or assignments for appointments / events / tasks. JPW
Re: thunderbird
Hello > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 at 2:29 AM > From: "fxkl47BF" > To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" > Subject: thunderbird > > what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > Thunderbird appears to have many, many security vulnerabilities based on the fact that in any calendar month, security updates are availalbe for downloads from Debian.
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Have an iso for which you know its size. Use dd to copy that iso onto a usb 2.0 drive and time the copy. Copy that same iso onto the usb 3.0 drive and time it. If the usb 3.0 copy takes less time in the neighborhood of the expected speed difference of usb 3.0 to usb 2.0 then you got fortunate. If the copy takes the same amount of time or nearly the same amount of time then usb 3.0 is not being used. This is best done using a sports watch or stop watch. On Mon, 31 May 2021, Long Wind wrote: > Thanks, but lsblk just lists new usb diski want to find out if usb 3.0 is > usedusb 3.0 is faster than usb 2.0 > >
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
easier, diff -aq lsblk.old lsblk.new Even without that, wc -l lsblk.old && wc -l lsblk.new With two different numbers, the new drive is recognized. On Mon, 31 May 2021, Stella Ashburne wrote: > Hi > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 at 8:36 AM > > From: "Jude DaShiell" > > To: "Long Wind" , "Debian-user Mailing List" > > > > Subject: Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used > > > > First disconnect the disk; next run lsblk >lsblk.old, next connect the > > disk, next run lsblk >lsblk.new. Finally do a diff on lsblk.old lsblk.new > > and see if something shows up in lsblk.new that isn't in lsblk.old. > > > Can I do a diff using the following command in a terminal? > > diff -c lsblk.old lsblk.new > >
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
You should see something in your logs, this is what I get for a usb 3.1 device: kernel: usb 2-1.2: new SuperSpeed Gen 1 USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd USB 2 is only "high-speed": kernel: usb 1-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 12 using xhci_hcd Regards, Geoff
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Thank Geoff! with usb3 disk plugged to lenovo running busteri see msg below, but i'm not sure if usb3 is used May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.174292] usb 5-6: new high-speed USB device number 12 using ehci-pci May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331455] usb 5-6: New USB device found, idVendor=0781, idProduct=5591, bcdDevice= 1.00 May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331459] usb 5-6: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331461] usb 5-6: Product: SanDisk 3.2Gen1 May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331463] usb 5-6: Manufacturer: USB May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331465] usb 5-6: SerialNumber: 01010726504b6423940942c89716195fcf82e07a8b871127b1e65360cf8bb85335c6e0bd07b9ff893100915581073caae2e3 May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331885] usb-storage 5-6:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.332549] scsi host4: usb-storage 5-6:1.0 May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.359351] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.359741] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.361717] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 60088320 512-byte logical blocks: (30.8 GB/28.7 GiB) May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.364470] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.364473] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.365459] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.381477] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.385084] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Long Wind wrote: Thank Geoff! with usb3 disk plugged to lenovo running buster i see msg below, but i'm not sure if usb3 is used May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.174292] usb 5-6: new high-speed USB device number 12 using ehci-pci Definitely looks like usb 2, the ehci driver also points to this. Is the interface on the PC usb 3? What kernel are you running, mine seems to use the xhci driver even for usb 2.
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Long Wind wrote: Thank Geoff! with usb3 disk plugged to lenovo running buster i see msg below, but i'm not sure if usb3 is used May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.174292] usb 5-6: new high-speed USB device number 12 using ehci-pci Definitely looks like usb 2, the ehci driver also points to this. Is the interface on the PC usb 3? What kernel are you running, mine seems to use the xhci driver even for usb 2.
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Hi. On 2021-05-30 9:53 p.m., Long Wind wrote: > Jude, it sounds foolish, there has to be some better way > and i don't have usb 2.0 disk > > my usb disk is new, it supports usb3 > stretch must support usb3 because usb3 is supported ever since /kernel > 2.6.31/ > i wonder if hp t5740e supports usb3 > > You can install hwinfo and it will tell you what's installed in your computer, including the type of usb controler. Or you can simply check the specs of your computer. Have you tried, also you already have another answer regarding looking into your logs. This will tell you if your drive is using USB 3 or not. Also, some computer have only some port USB 3, the other will be only USB 2. So looking at the logs will make sure you connected to the good port. What have you tried before asking for help ? This sound to me like we already gave you all the good options to know what's going on. What are you expecting more ? This sounds much to me like "I want to know if my computer is USB 3 but I didn't even google-it"... > > > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Hi ! On 2021-05-30 10:29 p.m., Long Wind wrote: > Thank Geoff! with usb3 disk plugged to lenovo running buster > i see msg below, but i'm not sure if usb3 is used > > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.174292] usb 5-6: new high-speed > USB device number 12 using ehci-pci > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331455] usb 5-6: New USB device > found, idVendor=0781, idProduct=5591, bcdDevice= 1.00 > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331459] usb 5-6: New USB device > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331461] usb 5-6: Product: SanDisk > 3.2Gen1 > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331463] usb 5-6: Manufacturer: USB > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331465] usb 5-6: SerialNumber: > 01010726504b6423940942c89716195fcf82e07a8b871127b1e65360cf8bb85335c6e0bd07b9ff893100915581073caae2e3 > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.331885] usb-storage 5-6:1.0: USB > Mass Storage device detected > May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.332549] scsi host4: usb-storage > 5-6:1.0 > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.359351] scsi 4:0:0:0: > Direct-Access USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.359741] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi > generic sg1 type 0 > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.361717] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 60088320 > 512-byte logical blocks: (30.8 GB/28.7 GiB) > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.364470] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write > Protect is off > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.364473] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode > Sense: 43 00 00 00 > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.365459] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write > cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.381477] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 > May 31 10:21:19 debian kernel: [13386.385084] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached > SCSI removable disk > > > > > > What did the message you got says ? Let me copy here : ==START== You should see something in your logs, this is what I get for a usb 3.1 device: kernel: usb 2-1.2: new SuperSpeed Gen 1 USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd USB 2 is only "high-speed": kernel: usb 1-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 12 using xhci_hcd Regards, Geoff ==STOP== Now look at the 1st line of the logs you copied... You need more help ? Give you a hint : USB 2 is only "high-speed" -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Geoff wrote: Long Wind wrote: Thank Geoff! with usb3 disk plugged to lenovo running buster i see msg below, but i'm not sure if usb3 is used May 31 10:21:18 debian kernel: [13385.174292] usb 5-6: new high-speed USB device number 12 using ehci-pci Definitely looks like usb 2, the ehci driver also points to this. Is the interface on the PC usb 3? What kernel are you running, mine seems to use the xhci driver even for usb 2. Further to this if I understand correctly your usb controller is ehci which means it can only do usb 2, does the motherboard have any other connectors?
Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback
Greg Wooledge composed on 2021-05-14 07:58 (UTC-0400): > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:15:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote: >> it is not clear which version of Debian you are using. > See, this *right here* is why you do not put important details only > in the Subject: header. > Some people don't read Subject: headers. Make sure all of the relevant > details are in the *body* of your message (also). Who reads a message who doesn't see the subject line??? If I don't see the subject line first, I won't likely pay any attention to any message content, if I see any at all. ... > Now we try to guess which one(s) of those might have brought in the > additional packages that weren't wanted. This is made harder by not > knowing in advance whether the OP had mpv or mplayer already installed, > and not seeing the actual output of the "apt install smplayer" command > that was used. (That would have made it far too easy.) ... > Well, that one looks promising, maybe. So perhaps the OP had mplayer > already installed, which would have short-cutted the "mpv | mplayer" > dependency in smplayer, and... who knows. It's basically unfeasible to > track down an entire branching dependency hierarchy in this way by hand, > especially with no details provided by the OP. That seems quite an abundance of detail you seem to be expecting: # inxi -Sxxxy System: Host: gx78b Kernel: 5.10.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 tk: Qt 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin 3.0 vt: 7 dm: TDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid # set | grep LANG LANG=en_US.UTF-8 # fc-match sans DroidSans.ttf: "Droid Sans" "Regular" # fc-match monospace DroidSansMono.ttf: "Droid Sans Mono" "Regular" # fc-match 'dejavu sans' DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" # ls /usr/share/xsessions/ icewm-session.desktop trinity.desktop # dpkg -l | egrep 'mpv|mplayer' # apt install smplayer ... 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following additional packages will be installed: fonts-urw-base35 imagemagick-7-common libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libffms2-4 libgs9 libgs9-common libijs-0.35 libjbig2dec0 libmagick++-7-5 libmagickcore-7-9 libmagickwand-7-9 libmujs1 libqt5xml5 libraqm0 libraw20 libsixel1 libwmf0.2-7 libzip4 mpv poppler-data vapoursynth vapoursynth-ffms2 Suggested packages: fonts-freefont-otf | fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-texgyre libwmf0.2-7-gtk youtube-dl poppler-utils ghostscript fonts-japanese-mincho | fonts-ipafont-mincho fonts-japanese-gothic | fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming fonts-nanum Recommended packages: fonts-droid-fallback ghostscript gsfonts smplayer-themes smplayer-l10n The following NEW packages will be installed: fonts-urw-base35 imagemagick-7-common libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libffms2-4 libgs9 libgs9-common libijs-0.35 libjbig2dec0 libmagick++-7-5 libmagickcore-7-9 libmagickwand-7-9 libmujs1 libqt5xml5 libraqm0 libraw20 libsixel1 libwmf0.2-7 libzip4 mpv poppler-data smplayer vapoursynth vapoursynth-ffms2 0 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 19.1 MB of archives. After this operation, 71.4 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
On 5/30/2021 8:22 PM, Long Wind wrote: i have new usb 3 disk i want to find out if usb 3 is used when it's connected to stretch Use something like: sudo dmesg | grep hci If output shows ehci, then you are using usb 2, and if output shows xhci, then you can use usb 3. To make stretch use the usb 3 driver, make sure the USB 3 controller is enabled in the UEFI setup for your computer and use a usb 3 enabled port. it is usually a blue port for a usb 3 port and a black port for a usb 2 port.
how to let smartmontool / smartd ignore specific hard disk?
Hello Debian user, As per title, I want SMART to ignore my /dev/sdb Using default conf, I append "/dev/sdb -d ignore" as what I read here[1] $ tail /etc/smartd.conf #\ Line continuation character # Attribute ID is a decimal integer 1 <= ID <= 255 # except for -C and -U, where ID = 0 turns them off. # All but -d, -m and -M Directives are only implemented for ATA devices # # If the test string DEVICESCAN is the first uncommented text # then smartd will scan for devices. # DEVICESCAN may be followed by any desired Directives # /dev/sdb -d ignore my full conf file are attached if you want to see the whole file After change it, I restart 2 services which are smartmontools.service and smartd.service but checking the status (from systemctl) seem it still checking.. I reboot and check the status again. It still there https://paste.debian.net/1199449 Could you spot what I missed and guide me? Thanks in advance [1] https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/111407/143140 -- Email : Robbi Nespu PGP fingerprint : D311 B5FF EEE6 0BE8 9C91 FA9E 0C81 FA30 3B3A 80BA PGP key : https://keybase.io/robbinespu/pgp_keys.asc # Sample configuration file for smartd. See man smartd.conf. # Home page is: http://www.smartmontools.org # smartd will re-read the configuration file if it receives a HUP # signal # The file gives a list of devices to monitor using smartd, with one # device per line. Text after a hash (#) is ignored, and you may use # spaces and tabs for white space. You may use '\' to continue lines. # You can usually identify which hard disks are on your system by # looking in /proc/ide and in /proc/scsi. # The word DEVICESCAN will cause any remaining lines in this # configuration file to be ignored: it tells smartd to scan for all # ATA and SCSI devices. DEVICESCAN may be followed by any of the # Directives listed below, which will be applied to all devices that # are found. Most users should comment out DEVICESCAN and explicitly # list the devices that they wish to monitor. DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner # Alternative setting to ignore temperature and power-on hours reports # in syslog. #DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 # Alternative setting to report more useful raw temperature in syslog. #DEVICESCAN -R 194 -R 231 -I 9 # Alternative setting to report raw temperature changes >= 5 Celsius # and min/max temperatures. #DEVICESCAN -I 194 -I 231 -I 9 -W 5 # First ATA/SATA or SCSI/SAS disk. Monitor all attributes, enable # automatic online data collection, automatic Attribute autosave, and # start a short self-test every day between 2-3am, and a long self test # Saturdays between 3-4am. #/dev/sda -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) # Monitor SMART status, ATA Error Log, Self-test log, and track # changes in all attributes except for attribute 194 #/dev/sdb -H -l error -l selftest -t -I 194 # Monitor all attributes except normalized Temperature (usually 194), # but track Temperature changes >= 4 Celsius, report Temperatures # >= 45 Celsius and changes in Raw value of Reallocated_Sector_Ct (5). # Send mail on SMART failures or when Temperature is >= 55 Celsius. #/dev/sdc -a -I 194 -W 4,45,55 -R 5 -m ad...@example.com # An ATA disk may appear as a SCSI device to the OS. If a SCSI to # ATA Translation (SAT) layer is between the OS and the device then # this can be flagged with the '-d sat' option. This situation may # become common with SATA disks in SAS and FC environments. # /dev/sda -a -d sat # A very silent check. Only report SMART health status if it fails # But send an email in this case #/dev/sdc -H -C 0 -U 0 -m ad...@example.com # First two SCSI disks. This will monitor everything that smartd can # monitor. Start extended self-tests Wednesdays between 6-7pm and # Sundays between 1-2 am #/dev/sda -d scsi -s L/../../3/18 #/dev/sdb -d scsi -s L/../../7/01 # Monitor 4 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 6/7/8000 controller which uses # the 3w- driver. Start long self-tests Sundays between 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, # and 4-5 am. # NOTE: starting with the Linux 2.6 kernel series, the /dev/sdX interface # is DEPRECATED. Use the /dev/tweN character device interface instead. # For example /dev/twe0, /dev/twe1, and so on. #/dev/sdc -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../7/01 #/dev/sdc -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../7/02 #/dev/sdc -d 3ware,2 -a -s L/../../7/03 #/dev/sdc -d 3ware,3 -a -s L/../../7/04 # Monitor 2 ATA disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which # uses the 3w-9xxx driver (Linux, FreeBSD). Start long self-tests Tuesdays # between 1-2 and 3-4 am. #/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01 #/dev/twa0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03 # Monitor 2 SATA (not SAS) disks connected to a 3ware 9000 controller which # uses the 3w-sas driver (Linux). Start long self-tests Tuesdays # between 1-2 and 3-4 am. # On FreeBSD /dev/tws0 should be used instead #/dev/twl0 -d 3ware,0 -a -s L/../../2/01 #/dev/twl0 -d 3ware,1 -a -s L/../../2/03 # Same as above for Windows
Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
Very informative, I didn't know what either of those drivers were until now thanks. On Mon, 31 May 2021, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 5/30/2021 8:22 PM, Long Wind wrote: > > i have new usb 3 disk > > i want to find out if usb 3 is used when it's connected to stretch > Use something like: > > sudo dmesg | grep hci > > If output shows ehci, then you are using usb 2, and if output shows xhci, then > you can use usb 3. > > To make stretch use the usb 3 driver, make sure the USB 3 controller is > enabled in the UEFI setup for your computer and use a usb 3 enabled port. it > is usually a blue port for a usb 3 port and a black port for a usb 2 port. > >
Re: how to let smartmontool / smartd ignore specific hard disk?
Hi. On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 12:04:20PM +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote: > Could you spot what I missed and guide me? Thanks in advance Your smartd.conf has this: > DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m root -M exec > /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner ... > /dev/sdb -d ignore smartd.conf(5), on the other hand, specify that: ignore - the device specified by this configuration entry should be ignored. This allows to ignore specific devices which are detected by a following DEVICESCAN configuration line. I.e you should probably specify DEVICESCAN and -d in other order, i.e. > /dev/sdb -d ignore > DEVICESCAN -d removable -n standby -m root -M exec > /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner Reco
Re: thunderbird
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 08:55:32PM +, ghe2001 wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 2:24 PM, Bret Busby wrote: > > >... (snip) > > Look into ProtonMail. Web based, ^ This would disqualify it for me, 100%. AFAIK, the OP was asking for a MUA anyway, not for a web service. > ... slow sometimes (they're in Switzerland), but PGP encryption if possible, How does "web based" and PGP go together, anyway? Web based means mail handling (and thus encryption/signing) is done on other people's computers. This means your private keys are on other people's computers. > ...and free. Works, too. As in free beer or as in free speech? No. Just... no. Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
