Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

[Joe]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 21:39:23 -0500
John Hasler  wrote:

> Joe writes:
> > What would be a real pain is actually accessing HDMI signals while
> > the thing is running. It's no good just looking into a connector,
> > it needs to see something hanging on the end before it will power
> > up and activate.  
> 
> Well of course he'd have to build a breakout box.  Trickier than RS232
> but straightforward enough as long as you know how to deal with UHF
> and impedance matching as Gene clearly does.
> 

It's still a pain. Almost the only available HDMI plugs are PCB mount,
and a real nuisance to solder wires to. I have made a couple of (very
short) HDMI cables by hand.

Easier to buy another cable and Pi.

> An rf voltmeter would suffice to determine if the lines are waggling.

-- 
Joe

Re: Slab Unreclaimable is continually growing

[Matthias Böttcher]

Just for reference:

check_mk_agent caused the endlessly growing of SUnreclaim in
/proc/meminfo and similary vm_area_struct in slabtop if the typical
conditions are met in a Debian Buster with check-mk-agent:

- Debian 10 Buster
systemd241-7~deb10u1 amd64
Kernel 4.19.67-2, but with newer kernels too.

- check-mk-agent
my version is 1.5.0p18, but with newer versions too

- check_mk.socket is active in systemd and used via 6556/tcp

- one or more checks are cached
for example ntp in check_mk_agent or the simple
echo "0 myservice - OK: This is my custom output"

tribe29 as creators of checkmk is aware of this, has observed it only
in Debian Buster and recommends in Buster xinetd for the listening
socket for its agent.

https://lists.mathias-kettner.de/pipermail/checkmk-en/2019-September/028675.html
https://lists.mathias-kettner.de/pipermail/checkmk-en/2019-September/028676.html

Matthias

Am Sa., 27. Juli 2019 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Matthias Böttcher
:
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:12:20PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 08:55:19PM +0200, Matthias Böttcher wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > and additionally I stopped the socket for the Check_MK agent:
> > >
> > > sudo systemctl stop check_mk.socket
> >
> > I do not know this one. What's its purpose? Monitoring, backup,
> > something else? Is there a source available.
>
> Checkmk, formerly Check_MK, is a monitoring software[1].
> I am using the Checkmk Raw Edition (CRE) open-source.
> Per default it gets data from an agent on a host with connect to 6556/tcp
> every 60 seconds. All counters are fetched in one connect,
> nothing is sent to the host. The agent for Linux is one big bash script[2].
>
> The deb with the agent brings systemd integration:
>
> 
> $ cat "/etc/systemd/system/check_mk@.service"
>
> # systemd service definition file
> [Unit]
> Description=Check_MK
>
> [Service]
> ExecStart=/usr/bin/check_mk_agent
> KillMode=process
>
> User=root
> Group=root
>
> StandardInput=socket
>
> 
> $ cat /etc/systemd/system/check_mk.socket
>
> # systemd socket definition file
> [Unit]
> Description=Check_MK Agent Socket
>
> [Socket]
> ListenStream=6556
> Accept=true
>
> [Install]
> WantedBy=sockets.target
> 
>
> With check_mk.socket started, SUnreclaim and vm_area_struct are growing
> endlessly. So I will investigate the checkmk agent.
>
> > Reco
>
> Reco, Thank you for your explanations and bumping me in the right direction.
>
> Matthias
>
> [1] https://checkmk.com/
> [2] https://github.com/tribe29/checkmk/blob/master/agents/check_mk_agent.linux
>

Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-09-18 21:19:45)
> On Wednesday 18 September 2019 12:58:25 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> 
> > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-09-18 18:20:43)
> >
> > > On Wednesday 18 September 2019 11:36:41 John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Jonas writes:
> > > > > Please demonstrate just one single example of dd being faster 
> > > > > than cp to transfer a full raw image to a raw device!
> > > >
> > > > On modern systems you would probably need to be doing terabyte 
> > > > transfers between disks on the same machine.  Back in the days 
> > > > when a megabyte was a lot dd was *much* faster.
> > > >
> > > > On an SD card I think that the write speed of the card is 
> > > > probably the limiting factor.
> > >
> > > It is, and the makers lie a lot, taking advantage of the buffering 
> > > to get thier 100 MBs rating for small writes. For gigabyte 
> > > transfers I often see sub 20 MB/S toward the end. But you may want 
> > > to steer clear of the 64GB+ cards, exfat is creeping into the sdhc 
> > > arena, and I either have a defective NEW PNY 64GB, or this stretch 
> > > install can't touch it because its exfat.  I bought 2 recently, 
> > > same exact part number, slightly different card gfx, the 85 meg 
> > > rated one doesn't mention exfat, works, the 100 MB/S rated one 
> > > mentions exfat and is untouchable.
> >
> > Regarding quality of SD cards, I trust advices from Thomas Kaiser.
> >
> > Here's his advice on which brands to trust:
> > > Only a few vendors on this planet run NAND flash memory fabs, only 
> > > a few companies produce flash memory controllers and have the 
> > > necessary know-how in house. And only a few combine their own NAND 
> > > flash with their own controllers to their own retail products. 
> > > That's the simple reason why at least I only buy SD cards from 
> > > these 4 brands: Samsung, SanDisk, Toshiba, Transcend
> >
> > Above quote is from 
> > https://forum.armbian.com/topic/954-sd-card-performance/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-49811
> >  
> > which is linked from front page intro to that thread - as part of 
> > this more general advice + warning not to waste time reading the 
> > whole
> >
> > thread:
> > > Warning: This whole thread is only about historical information 
> > > now since it's 2018 and we can buy inexpensive and great 
> > > performing A1 rated SD cards in the meantime. Buying anything else 
> > > is a mistake so directly jump to the end of the thread for 
> > > performance numbers and recommendations.
> >
> > On a related note, here's Kaiser's more detailed notes on A1/A2 
> > rating: 
> > https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/Knowledge/blob/master/articles/A1_and_A2_rated_SD_cards.md
> >
> That also seems to be somewhat dated.  And rather Sandisk promoting.

No, quotes further up promotes brands closest to factories, and the 
article closes above promotes A1/A2 labeling which is brand-agnostic 
(yes, it proves its point by comparing cards from a single brand but 
that's besides the point).

> So I bought another to see if they were still as bad as a year ago.

Which brand and model? Did it have either "A1" or "A2" printed on it?

What are the comparable results from same tests? They are linked from 
the article: 
https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench/blob/master/sd-card-bench.sh


 - Jonas

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Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 19 September 2019 03:59:24 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

> Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-09-18 21:19:45)
>
> > On Wednesday 18 September 2019 12:58:25 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-09-18 18:20:43)
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday 18 September 2019 11:36:41 John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > Jonas writes:
> > > > > > Please demonstrate just one single example of dd being
> > > > > > faster than cp to transfer a full raw image to a raw device!
> > > > >
> > > > > On modern systems you would probably need to be doing terabyte
> > > > > transfers between disks on the same machine.  Back in the days
> > > > > when a megabyte was a lot dd was *much* faster.
> > > > >
> > > > > On an SD card I think that the write speed of the card is
> > > > > probably the limiting factor.
> > > >
> > > > It is, and the makers lie a lot, taking advantage of the
> > > > buffering to get thier 100 MBs rating for small writes. For
> > > > gigabyte transfers I often see sub 20 MB/S toward the end. But
> > > > you may want to steer clear of the 64GB+ cards, exfat is
> > > > creeping into the sdhc arena, and I either have a defective NEW
> > > > PNY 64GB, or this stretch install can't touch it because its
> > > > exfat.  I bought 2 recently, same exact part number, slightly
> > > > different card gfx, the 85 meg rated one doesn't mention exfat,
> > > > works, the 100 MB/S rated one mentions exfat and is untouchable.
> > >
> > > Regarding quality of SD cards, I trust advices from Thomas Kaiser.
> > >
> > > Here's his advice on which brands to trust:
> > > > Only a few vendors on this planet run NAND flash memory fabs,
> > > > only a few companies produce flash memory controllers and have
> > > > the necessary know-how in house. And only a few combine their
> > > > own NAND flash with their own controllers to their own retail
> > > > products. That's the simple reason why at least I only buy SD
> > > > cards from these 4 brands: Samsung, SanDisk, Toshiba, Transcend
> > >
> > > Above quote is from
> > > https://forum.armbian.com/topic/954-sd-card-performance/page/3/?ta
> > >b=comments#comment-49811 which is linked from front page intro to
> > > that thread - as part of this more general advice + warning not to
> > > waste time reading the whole
> > >
> > > thread:
> > > > Warning: This whole thread is only about historical information
> > > > now since it's 2018 and we can buy inexpensive and great
> > > > performing A1 rated SD cards in the meantime. Buying anything
> > > > else is a mistake so directly jump to the end of the thread for
> > > > performance numbers and recommendations.
> > >
> > > On a related note, here's Kaiser's more detailed notes on A1/A2
> > > rating:
> > > https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/Knowledge/blob/master/articles/A1_
> > >and_A2_rated_SD_cards.md
> >
> > That also seems to be somewhat dated.  And rather Sandisk promoting.
>
> No, quotes further up promotes brands closest to factories, and the
> article closes above promotes A1/A2 labeling which is brand-agnostic
> (yes, it proves its point by comparing cards from a single brand but
> that's besides the point).
>
> > So I bought another to see if they were still as bad as a year ago.
>
> Which brand and model? Did it have either "A1" or "A2" printed on it?

SanDisk A1 10, ImageMate microSDXC UHS-1 64gb, UP TO 100 MB/s,
haven't opened it yet. Much lower profile packaging than SamSung or PNY, 
will need a really sharp knife to liberate the actual card.

> What are the comparable results from same tests? They are linked from
> the article:
> https://github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench/blob/master/sd-card-bench.sh

That script looks to be pretty self destructive, but it might be 
interesting to kill the card just to see how long it lasts, but its $12 
a card to find out.  So I think I put the rpi4 raspbian buster on it 
when the heat sink and adapters arrive. Might even have raspbian buster 
10.2 by then. ISTR you have to be able to run raspi-config & check the 
SSH box, as its (ssh) not run by default. So its not possible to 
navigate that unless someone knows what to do to it in the card reader 
to achieve the SSH function at bootup. Chicken vs egg problem from my 
point of view.

But it might be a way to access it like I can when the older rpi3b 
stretch is plugged in.

Curiosity is killing the cat. I *think* the gpio diffs are baked into the 
driver, so if I can install the stretch deb of linuxcnc I've built, then 
swap the new spi driver in, make the test cable, hook up a half blown 
mesa 7i90HD and see if it runs.  Its the output side of the card thats 
blown.

That will take some fooling around, which takes time. It might be that 
busters use of wayland is going to be a problem so we'll try this on 
stretch first. Linuxcnc's gfx aren't such that I can't export its screen 
to this machine with an ssh -Y login. But this won't until I rewrite 
that card with a RealtimePi kernel.  Always somthing.

Thanks Jonas

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There 

I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[aprekates]

I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .

I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not a 
crime but a human right.


I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised authentic 
voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when we choose how to 
use, produce share software and not a voice caressing my consciousness.


I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our digital world.

Alexandros Prekates

email: apreka...@posteo.net
social:apreka...@diasp.eu
chomw...@fosstodon.org


ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
  attack i'd recommend as entry readings:

https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/

https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Dave Sherohman]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:19:50PM +0300, aprekates wrote:
> ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
>   attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
> 
> https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
> 
> https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
> 
> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122

Also,

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_final_interview/

It's nominally an interview with Stallman about his visit to Microsoft,
which was conducted just before the original attack on him, but it has a
lengthy preamble describing the situation (from a decidedly
anti-Stallman viewpoint, with a heavy emphasis on "the only reason we
didn't grill Stallman on how evil his is is because we didn't know
yet").

-- 
Dave Sherohman

Re: Buster Problem - No Sound

[Bernd Gruber]

I'm not absolutely sure anymore, but I think timidity blocks phonon. I 
removed timidity (didn't need it anymore).

Bernd


Thomas George wrote:

> After upgrading from Stretch to Buster no sound
> 
> Rebooted to Stretch, sound works fine
> 
> The difference: Choice of outputs in Stretch includes lineout- built in
> audio. This option is missing in Buster
> 
> How can I correct this?

Start a child process in a new session

[Christoph Pleger]

Hello,

when I start a child process with fork(), it seems that the new process 
runs in the same session as the parent process, due to what loginctl 
thinks, even after a call of setsid. Especially, running '/bin/login -f 
cpleger' results in the following message in /var/log/auth.log:


pam_systemd(login:session): Not creating session: Already running in a 
session or user slice


Does anybody know if and how a child process can be created in a 
completely new session, regarding to what pam_systemd and loginctl think 
about it?


Viele Grüße
  Christoph

Re: Buster Problem - No Sound

[Bernd Gruber]

maybe look at this:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=timidity-daemon;dist=unstable

Bernd

Thomas George wrote:

> After upgrading from Stretch to Buster no sound
> 
> Rebooted to Stretch, sound works fine
> 
> The difference: Choice of outputs in Stretch includes lineout- built in
> audio. This option is missing in Buster
> 
> How can I correct this?

cal package russian translation

[dv]

Hello.

Debian stretch/buster have very strange translation of month's names
in Russian language.
"cal" package in Russian translation uses Genitive case instead of
Nominative case, and gives very strange result.
Января...Декабря instead of Январь...Декабрь.
Please make correction of translation.
Thank you very much.

Best regards, Dmitry.

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Default User]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates  wrote:

> I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
>
> I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not a crime
> but a human right.
>
> I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised authentic
> voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when we choose how to
> use, produce share software and not a voice caressing my consciousness.
>
> I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our digital
> world.
>
> Alexandros Prekates
>
> email:  apreka...@posteo.net
> social:  apreka...@diasp.eu
> chomw...@fosstodon.org
>
>
> ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
>   attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
>
> https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
>
> https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
>
> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122
>


I must agree.

We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse,
freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.

The witch hunts are back.

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

My guess is, Richard Stallman will be replaced.  What will be unknown
for a while is how well he will be replaced within the F.S.F.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Default User wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:40:03
> From: Default User 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:40:33 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates  wrote:
>
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not a crime
> > but a human right.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised authentic
> > voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when we choose how to
> > use, produce share software and not a voice caressing my consciousness.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our digital
> > world.
> >
> > Alexandros Prekates
> >
> > email:  apreka...@posteo.net
> > social:  apreka...@diasp.eu
> > chomw...@fosstodon.org
> >
> >
> > ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
> >   attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
> >
> > https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
> >
> > https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
> >
> > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122
> >
>
>
> I must agree.
>
> We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse,
> freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.
>
> The witch hunts are back.
>

-- 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Fred]

On 9/19/19 8:40 AM, Default User wrote:



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates > wrote:


I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands
for .

I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not
a crime but a human right.

I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised
authentic voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when
we choose how to use, produce share software and not a voice
caressing my consciousness.

I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our
digital world.

Alexandros Prekates

email: apreka...@posteo.net 
social:apreka...@diasp.eu 
chomw...@fosstodon.org 


ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
  attack i'd recommend as entry readings:

https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/

https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122



I must agree.

We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse, 
freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.


The witch hunts are back.

Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for 
making that much worse?

Re: Upgrading point release from 10 to 10.1

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 04:14:37PM +, D&P Dimov wrote:
> I upgraded to Debian 10.0 (from 9) a few days ago, and I just tried to 
> upgrade to 10.1 (sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get 
> dist-upgrade), but it doesn't upgrade to 10.1 (lsb_release -a still lists 
> 10). What am I missing? 

lsb_release is obsolete rubbish and does not show you the point release
version.

cat /etc/debian_version

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Fred wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:05:39
> From: Fred 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:10:06 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 9/19/19 8:40 AM, Default User wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates  > > wrote:
> >
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands
> > for .
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not
> > a crime but a human right.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised
> > authentic voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when
> > we choose how to use, produce share software and not a voice
> > caressing my consciousness.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our
> > digital world.
> >
> > Alexandros Prekates
> >
> > email: apreka...@posteo.net 
> > social:apreka...@diasp.eu 
> > chomw...@fosstodon.org 
> >
> >
> > ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
> > ? attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
> >
> > https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
> >
> > https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
> >
> > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122
> >
> >
> >
> > I must agree.
> >
> > We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse,
> > freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.
> >
> > The witch hunts are back.
> >
> Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for making
> that much worse?
>
You forgot malignant narcisist.

>

-- 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Tom Browder]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:30 Jude DaShiell  wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Fred wrote:

...

>
> > Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for
> making
> > that much worse?
>

Not all agree with you. Politics and angry speech have no place on this
list.

-Tom

Re: Upgrading point release from 10 to 10.1

[Mindaugas Celiesius]

> I upgraded to Debian 10.0 (from 9) a few days ago, and I just tried to 
> upgrade to 10.1 (sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get 
> dist-upgrade), but it doesn't upgrade to 10.1 (lsb_release -a still lists 
> 10). What am I missing?
> 
> And it is normal that the word InRelease is added in the output from apt-get 
> update (since it is not there in the sources.list):
> Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
> Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
> 
> Thanks!
> Luben
This is a bug in lsb-release package (Debian Bug report logs - #939733 marked 
as "serious")
More info here:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=939733


Meow!
-- 
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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can.
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener.
⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates.

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[ghe]

On 9/19/19 10:47 AM, Tom Browder wrote:

> Not all agree with you. Politics and angry speech have no place on this
> list.

Please allow me to differ.

In this case, I claim they do. Stallman is controversial, but he's one
of the founders of the unix clones. I just hope he'll stay on at GNU.
What happens with him could have a major influence on Debian.

GNU's a major source of user software for Linux (futzed with a bit for
Debian).

Therefore, Debian's users' opinions are relevant here...

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Upgrading point release from 10 to 10.1

[John Hasler]

Fred writes:
> Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for
> making that much worse?

This comes from the loons on the other side.  Trump & Co have their own
set of stupidities.

-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[The Wanderer]

On 2019-09-19 at 13:40, ghe wrote:

> On 9/19/19 10:47 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> 
>> Not all agree with you. Politics and angry speech have no place on
>> this list.
> 
> Please allow me to differ.
> 
> In this case, I claim they do. Stallman is controversial, but he's
> one of the founders of the unix clones. I just hope he'll stay on at
> GNU. What happens with him could have a major influence on Debian.
> 
> GNU's a major source of user software for Linux (futzed with a bit
> for Debian).
> 
> Therefore, Debian's users' opinions are relevant here...

I understood the statement you quoted as being in reference to the
comment about "our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President" and the
follow-up about adding "malignant narcissist" to that list of
adjectives, not about RMS in any way.

That original comment appears to have been a derailing tangent from the
original topic of the thread, and regardless of whether the thread
itself may be considered on-topic for the mailing list, that tangent
almost certainly was not.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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gpsd and systemd on buster

[Charles Curley]

The stock gpsd package runs fine on buster. The default is that it only
listens on the loopback interface. I would like it to listen on other
interfaces so that other computers can monitor the GPS data. The gpsd
list has been less than enlightening.

(Warning: long lines ahead. Your mail client may wrap them into utter
unreadability.)

I did find
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42240757/access-gpsd-port-2947-over-network,
and implemented the first solution, the over-ride in gpsd.socket. That
did not work, in fact local clients were blocked from the daemon as
well as remote clients.

I then backed out those changes, and re-enabled my prior setup:

[Unit]
Description=GPS (Global Positioning System) Daemon Sockets

[Socket]
ListenStream=/var/run/gpsd.sock
ListenStream=[::1]:2947
# ListenStream=127.0.0.1:2947
ListenStream=0.0.0.0:2947
SocketMode=0600
# BindIPv6Only=ipv6-only

# # per 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42240757/access-gpsd-port-2947-over-network
# # First blank ListenStream clears the system defaults
# ListenStream=
# ListenStream=2947
# ListenStream=/var/run/gpsd.sock


[Install]
WantedBy=sockets.target

With the old configuration re-enabled, I can now get a connection from
a remote client. This makes no sense.

I made all changes effective with:

systemctl daemon-reload
systemctl restart gpsd

And if necessary, re-plugging the GPS receiver.


In addition, I also found out that running "systemctl disable gpsd"
does not in fact disable it:

root@hawk:/etc/systemd/system# systemctl stop gpsd ; systemctl disable gpsd 
; systemctl status gpsd
Warning: Stopping gpsd.service, but it can still be activated by:
  gpsd.socket
Synchronizing state of gpsd.service with SysV service script with 
/lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install disable gpsd
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gpsd' 
overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `gpsd' 
overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gpsd' 
overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `gpsd' 
overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
● gpsd.service - GPS (Global Positioning System) Daemon
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/gpsd.service; disabled; vendor 
preset: enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Thu 2019-09-19 11:23:50 MDT; 515ms ago
 Main PID: 7397 (gpsd)
Tasks: 1 (limit: 4915)
   Memory: 828.0K
   CGroup: /system.slice/gpsd.service
   └─7397 /usr/sbin/gpsd -Gn

Sep 19 11:23:50 hawk systemd[1]: Starting GPS (Global Positioning System) 
Daemon...
Sep 19 11:23:50 hawk systemd[1]: Started GPS (Global Positioning System) 
Daemon.
root@hawk:/etc/systemd/system# 

This may be due to the fact that I have gpsd clients which will try to
re-connect to gpsd when they lose their connection. Still, why is
systemd re-starting a service I just told it to disable?

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Re: Upgrading point release from 10 to 10.1

[John Hasler]

Wrong thread.  Sorry.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[rhkramer]

I don't support anyone unconditionally.  I don't think anyone should -- we 
(all) are smarter, more discerning, and capable of dealing with things like 
ambiguity.

I read only a little bit (the begining) of the Register article covering the 
interview with Richard Stallman, and from what I read there, I think he was 
unfairly judged with respect to his remarks about the Giuffre incident. 

From:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_final_interview/
`
Said alleged victim, Virginia Giuffre, earlier said she was told to have sex 
with Minsky at Epstein's US Virgin Islands retreat. It is claimed she was 17 
at the time, in a place where the age of consent is 18. Minksy was 73.

Stallman's post to the MIT mailing list argued, in a spectacularly insensitive 
fashion, that Minsky may not have been aware Giuffre had been coerced to have 
sex.

"The most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely 
willing," Stallman wrote in his post last Wednesday. "Assuming she was being 
coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that 
from most of his associates. I’ve concluded from various examples of 
accusation inflation that it is absolutely wrong to use the term 'sexual 
assault' in an accusation."
`
I also see, in the next paragraph, this:

`
On the internet and in news publications, this attempt to downplay the alleged 
rape of a teenage trafficking-ring victim didn't go over well, and led to 
further scrutiny of past emails and online posts that made matters worse. He 
had previously expressed skepticism of age of consent laws and of the 
wrongness of "voluntary pedophilia," suggesting there is no harm done if a 
child and an adult have consensual sex together.
'
and later:
`
And he renounced past statements about pedophilia. 
He wrote, "Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about 
sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal 
conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child 
can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think 
adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me 
to understand why."
'

So:

   * for what Stallman did for the FSF and such, I thank and applaud him

   * for his remarks about the Giuffre case, I feel he has been misjudged and 
treated unfairly, and if I could (reasonably) do something to redress the 
wrong, I would try

   * for his remarks about voluntary pedophelia, those (imho) were very wrong 
and very unfortunate, and I don't respect him for having made those remarks.  
It does seem, though, that he has changed his mind and repented.  For changing 
his mind, I also applaud and support him.

Do I feel that he should have lost of any of his positions based on this 
incident?  No.

I guess I'm saying that he (like all of us) should be judged on actual facts, 
and not blindly supported (or castigated) and, at least in some cases, be 
granted forgiveness for some past sins.

Now, if he had actually had sex with a child, I don't think that could or 
should be forgiven.

If he had sex with a child, I could still thank and applaud him for his 
contributions to Free Software, but punishment for a crime such as pedophilia 
(which was not suggested in what I read) should be swift and sure.

Hmm, what about Marvin Minsky -- could he really have thought that a 17 year 
old (or possibly a seeming 18 year old) wanted to voluntarily have sex with 
him?  I suppose it is possible, but ...

And, thinking back, I guess what Stallman was doing was, in essence defending 
Minsky.  Could Stallman really think that Minsky really thought the 17-year 
old was voluntarily interested in having sex with him?  I guess I have to 
think about that one.

My overall points though, include: 

   * that we can judge some of the actions of any man one way, and other 
actions by the same man another way, and sometimes one can overshadow the 
other, and sometimes not.

   * I don't wish to judge a man and, for example, excuse all his sins because 
of some good he has done, nor to forget the good a man may have done because 
of his sins.  But that doesn't mean his sins should be forgiven if they are 
"factual".

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 05:19:50 AM aprekates wrote:
> I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
> 
> I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not a
> crime but a human right.
> 
> I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised authentic
> voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when we choose how to
> use, produce share software and not a voice caressing my consciousness.
> 
> I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our digital
> world.
> 
> Alexandros Prekates
> 
> email: apreka...@posteo.net
> social:apreka...@diasp.eu
> chomw...@f

Re: gpsd and systemd on buster

[john doe]

On 9/19/2019 7:42 PM, Charles Curley wrote:
> The stock gpsd package runs fine on buster. The default is that it only
> listens on the loopback interface. I would like it to listen on other
> interfaces so that other computers can monitor the GPS data. The gpsd
> list has been less than enlightening.
>
> (Warning: long lines ahead. Your mail client may wrap them into utter
> unreadability.)
>
> I did find
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42240757/access-gpsd-port-2947-over-network,
> and implemented the first solution, the over-ride in gpsd.socket. That
> did not work, in fact local clients were blocked from the daemon as
> well as remote clients.
>
> I then backed out those changes, and re-enabled my prior setup:
>
> [Unit]
> Description=GPS (Global Positioning System) Daemon Sockets
>
> [Socket]
> ListenStream=/var/run/gpsd.sock
> ListenStream=[::1]:2947
> # ListenStream=127.0.0.1:2947
> ListenStream=0.0.0.0:2947
> SocketMode=0600
> # BindIPv6Only=ipv6-only
>
> # # per 
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42240757/access-gpsd-port-2947-over-network
> # # First blank ListenStream clears the system defaults
> # ListenStream=
> # ListenStream=2947
> # ListenStream=/var/run/gpsd.sock
>
>
> [Install]
> WantedBy=sockets.target
>
> With the old configuration re-enabled, I can now get a connection from
> a remote client. This makes no sense.
>
> I made all changes effective with:
>
> systemctl daemon-reload
> systemctl restart gpsd
>
> And if necessary, re-plugging the GPS receiver.
>
>
> In addition, I also found out that running "systemctl disable gpsd"
> does not in fact disable it:
>
> root@hawk:/etc/systemd/system# systemctl stop gpsd ; systemctl disable 
> gpsd ; systemctl status gpsd
> Warning: Stopping gpsd.service, but it can still be activated by:
>   gpsd.socket
> Synchronizing state of gpsd.service with SysV service script with 
> /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
> Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install disable gpsd
> insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gpsd' 
> overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
> insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script 
> `gpsd' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
> insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gpsd' 
> overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
> insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script 
> `gpsd' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
> ● gpsd.service - GPS (Global Positioning System) Daemon
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/gpsd.service; disabled; vendor 
> preset: enabled)
>Active: active (running) since Thu 2019-09-19 11:23:50 MDT; 515ms ago

This is expected, 'desable' will prevent the service from starting at boot.
To kill a service you need to use 'stop'.:

$ systemctl stop 

--
John Doe

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Charles Curley]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:05:39 -0700
Fred  wrote:

> > We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual
> > discourse, freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not
> > be tolerated.
> >
> > The witch hunts are back.
> >  
> Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for 
> making that much worse?

You aren't exactly helping. Please keep it polite.

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Re: confused, seems to be my normal state

[ghe]

On 9/17/19 4:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> I'd luv to give it a try, since I've never tried it, but unpacking the 
> NOOBS to an sd card seems to be a secret, so what linux command will 
> unpack the .zip and put it on the card?

Attached is the instruction file I wrote for myself because the process
is a bit complex for me to remember (it says 3B+, but it's the same for
a 4, IIRC). I hope it makes some sense to you.

If not, you need but speak...

-- 
Glenn English
NOOBS 3B+ INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS

1. Insert an SD card that is 8GB or greater in size into your computer.
2. Format the SD card using the platform-specific instructions below:
   Linux
  i. We recommend using gparted (or the command line version parted)
  ii. Create a MSDOS partition tabls and single FAT32 partition. A 64G card 
works fine.
  iii. Mount the SD card partition -- on /mnt.
3. Unzip the NOOBS data (files and dirs) into a dir on the Linux disk (sudo 
unzip 2009-08-07.NOOBS_v3_2_0.zip -d unzipped/ -- for example).
4. Move into the dir with the NOOBS data. Copy the data from the Linux dir to 
the partition (cd unzipped ; sudo cp -rv * /mnt)
  on the SD card. Just all the files and dirs. (cp -r * /mnt). Umount the 
SD card (sudo umount /mnt).
5. Insert the SD card into your Pi and connect the power supply, etc.

Your Pi will now boot into NOOBS and should display a list of operating systems 
that you can choose to install.
If your display remains blank, you should select the correct output mode for 
your display by pressing one of 
   the following number keys on your keyboard:
1. HDMI mode - this is the default display mode.
2. HDMI safe mode - select this mode if you are using the HDMI connector and 
cannot see anything on screen when the Pi has booted.
3. Composite PAL mode - select either this mode or composite NTSC mode if you 
are using the composite RCA video connector.
4. Composite NTSC mode

If you are still having difficulties after following these instructions, then 
please visit the Raspberry Pi 
   Forums (http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/) for support.

Follow the directions. Be sure to set to US in the little window at the bottom.

Changing to XFCE from LXDE
   sudo apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
   sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep "^lx" or apt-cache show lxde
   remove all of them
   Replace lxde (? -- the login window) with slim.
   
   Reboot
   
   sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean

Install Firefox, Webmin, an email client, etc.

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

The next one that needs to loose her job is that robotics engineer. On
Thu, 19 Sep 2019, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:29:19
> From: rhkra...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 18:29:38 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> I don't support anyone unconditionally.  I don't think anyone should -- we
> (all) are smarter, more discerning, and capable of dealing with things like
> ambiguity.
>
> I read only a little bit (the begining) of the Register article covering the
> interview with Richard Stallman, and from what I read there, I think he was
> unfairly judged with respect to his remarks about the Giuffre incident.
>
> From:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_final_interview/
> `
> Said alleged victim, Virginia Giuffre, earlier said she was told to have sex
> with Minsky at Epstein's US Virgin Islands retreat. It is claimed she was 17
> at the time, in a place where the age of consent is 18. Minksy was 73.
>
> Stallman's post to the MIT mailing list argued, in a spectacularly insensitive
> fashion, that Minsky may not have been aware Giuffre had been coerced to have
> sex.
>
> "The most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely
> willing," Stallman wrote in his post last Wednesday. "Assuming she was being
> coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that
> from most of his associates. I?ve concluded from various examples of
> accusation inflation that it is absolutely wrong to use the term 'sexual
> assault' in an accusation."
> `
> I also see, in the next paragraph, this:
>
> `
> On the internet and in news publications, this attempt to downplay the alleged
> rape of a teenage trafficking-ring victim didn't go over well, and led to
> further scrutiny of past emails and online posts that made matters worse. He
> had previously expressed skepticism of age of consent laws and of the
> wrongness of "voluntary pedophilia," suggesting there is no harm done if a
> child and an adult have consensual sex together.
> '
> and later:
> `
> And he renounced past statements about pedophilia.
> He wrote, "Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about
> sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal
> conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child
> can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think
> adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me
> to understand why."
> '
>
> So:
>
>* for what Stallman did for the FSF and such, I thank and applaud him
>
>* for his remarks about the Giuffre case, I feel he has been misjudged and
> treated unfairly, and if I could (reasonably) do something to redress the
> wrong, I would try
>
>* for his remarks about voluntary pedophelia, those (imho) were very wrong
> and very unfortunate, and I don't respect him for having made those remarks.
> It does seem, though, that he has changed his mind and repented.  For changing
> his mind, I also applaud and support him.
>
> Do I feel that he should have lost of any of his positions based on this
> incident?  No.
>
> I guess I'm saying that he (like all of us) should be judged on actual facts,
> and not blindly supported (or castigated) and, at least in some cases, be
> granted forgiveness for some past sins.
>
> Now, if he had actually had sex with a child, I don't think that could or
> should be forgiven.
>
> If he had sex with a child, I could still thank and applaud him for his
> contributions to Free Software, but punishment for a crime such as pedophilia
> (which was not suggested in what I read) should be swift and sure.
>
> Hmm, what about Marvin Minsky -- could he really have thought that a 17 year
> old (or possibly a seeming 18 year old) wanted to voluntarily have sex with
> him?  I suppose it is possible, but ...
>
> And, thinking back, I guess what Stallman was doing was, in essence defending
> Minsky.  Could Stallman really think that Minsky really thought the 17-year
> old was voluntarily interested in having sex with him?  I guess I have to
> think about that one.
>
> My overall points though, include:
>
>* that we can judge some of the actions of any man one way, and other
> actions by the same man another way, and sometimes one can overshadow the
> other, and sometimes not.
>
>* I don't wish to judge a man and, for example, excuse all his sins because
> of some good he has done, nor to forget the good a man may have done because
> of his sins.  But that doesn't mean his sins should be forgiven if they are
> "factual".
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 05:19:50 AM aprekates wrote:
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
> >
> > I stand 

rpi4 vs mouse

[Gene Heskett]

I got the adapter and big heat sink today, and it was a duff adapter that 
caused my lack of video.  Its booting and almost running normal, except 
for the mouse, its moving in very slow motion and keeps on moving for a 
couple seconds after your hand has stopped.

I recall it was something in /boot/cmdline.txt that had to be removed to 
make the mouse move in real time, but can't find that msg now, I assume 
because its been expired.

There's not a man page for cmdline.txt. Does anyone recall what that 
was ?

Thanks.
 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: rpi4 vs mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 19 September 2019 18:49:00 Gene Heskett wrote:

> I got the adapter and big heat sink today, and it was a duff adapter
> that caused my lack of video.  Its booting and almost running normal,
> except for the mouse, its moving in very slow motion and keeps on
> moving for a couple seconds after your hand has stopped.
>
> I recall it was something in /boot/cmdline.txt that had to be removed
> to make the mouse move in real time, but can't find that msg now, I
> assume because its been expired.
>
> There's not a man page for cmdline.txt. Does anyone recall what that
> was ?

Finally Found it, on their forum. add usbhid.mousepoll=0 (space 
separated) to /boot/cmdline.txt.

So now its available in the list archives too. 

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Miles Fidelman]

On 9/19/19 2:29 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


'

My overall points though, include:

* that we can judge some of the actions of any man one way, and other 
actions by the same man another way, and sometimes one can overshadow 
the other, and sometimes not.


* I don't wish to judge a man and, for example, excuse all his sins 
because of some good he has done, nor to forget the good a man may 
have done because of his sins. But that doesn't mean his sins should 
be forgiven if they are "factual".


"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar, 
not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; The good is 
oft interred with their bones;"


These days, it seems, we don't wait for them to die. We just kill them, 
professionally.


Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why.  ... unknown

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Carl Fink]

Looking at conversation elsewhere: many people don't like Richard, 
perceiving him as jerk at best, actively hateful at worst.


I got along with him during the couple of days I spent mostly with him. 
(He was a guest at an event I ran.) Others have not had that experience.


Being already very unpopular probably hasn't helped him in this matter.

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NSS-LDAP group preventing proper boot

[Marc Franquesa]

After making a clean install of Buster and setup it, the system doesn't
boot propery and enters emergency mode with some systemd-udevd errors on
timing out.

I tracked down and isolated the issue to be caused by nss-ldap group
mapping: If I remove ldap from nsswtich.conf groups (only for groups table)
the system boots fine (So I can use ldap for everything else except for
group)

I already faced the same problem long time ago (not sure, but I think on
jessie and ubuntu older releases) and the workarround/solution was to set
nss_init_groups_ignore users to list all localacounts (so don't lookup for
LDAP groups for local accounts). This time this didn't worked, as I updated
my nss_init_groups_ignore_users to the list of current local users with no
luck.

Some details tested/discarded:
- there are no custom udev rules making use of any LDAP user/group
- I tried setting various timeouts/soft_policy on LDAP configuration
- Also tried [UNAVAIL=return] and other similar optons on nsswitch.conf
- Exactly the same configuration works perfectly on Debain Stretch (as I
configure them thru Ansible)

Note that while researching I found many similar bug reports (also on
different distros) related to this issue, all of them providing
workarrounds (which didn't worked) but none providing a permanent FIX or
solution:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-ldap/+bug/1024475
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-ldap/+bug/51315
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318622
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339797
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349509
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375077
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375215
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388729
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391167
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441458
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=234541
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=187852

So basically seems that NSS-LDAP is queried when is still not ready, either
because LDAP server is down or the affected system didn't initialized
network yet. Either the case, this shouldn't prevent the system to boot
normally. More than a bug on libnss-ldap/udev seems a wrong/unstable
integration on the init process. I don't know if any NSS network servicces
(NIS?, winbind?) experience similar issues or how they avoid them.

Does any one faced same issue or can provide any help/workarround/clues?
Should I open a new bug report?

Thanks much for any hint/help