Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Rick Thomas]

> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
>  wrote:
> 
> : host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
>550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com

Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.

What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing 
attachments?

Rick

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 03:48:22)
> Den 2019-05-04 kl. 19:08, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-05-04 18:23:48)
> >> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> >> 
> >>
> >>> -> Generic 105-key PC (intl.)
> >>> -> Other
> >>> -> Swedish
> >>> -> Swedish
> >>> -> The default for the keyboard layout
> >>> -> No compose key
> >>> -> Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? 
> >>> sudo shutdown -h now
> >>>
> >>> And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > Nothing specific to Teres-I laptop about that.
> 
> How do you know?

Fine.  I don't know if there is a screw loose in your laptop, or 
warewolves pissed on a USB plugs.  Or all those swedish solar flares...

Perhaps you'd better ask a mechanic, a veterinary, and an astronomer for 
help, instead of this mailinglist!


> Please note that both myUSB keyboard and the Teres keyboard delivers 
> identical output with the two dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration 
> options I have tried "Generic 105-key PC (intl.)" and "Generic 102-key 
> PC (intl.)".

If that option works great then don't change that option.


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sun, 5 May 2019, Rick Thomas wrote:





On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
 wrote:

: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
   550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com


Hmmm I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.

Whats the approved method for doing that now, since its not allowing 
attachments?

Rick


 As a check, I try to attach mine

best regards,
--
Pierre FrenkielMay  5 00:00:01 pfr2 rsyslogd:  [origin software="rsyslogd" 
swVersion="8.1901.0" x-pid="6071" x-info="https://www.rsyslog.com";] rsyslogd 
was HUPed
May  5 00:00:01 pfr2 rsyslogd:  [origin software="rsyslogd" 
swVersion="8.1901.0" x-pid="6071" x-info="https://www.rsyslog.com";] rsyslogd 
was HUPed
May  5 00:00:01 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopping LSB: starts smstools...
May  5 00:00:05 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopping Internet superserver...
May  5 00:00:05 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopped Internet superserver.
May  5 00:00:05 pfr2 systemd[1]: Starting Internet superserver...
May  5 00:00:05 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started Internet superserver.
May  5 00:00:06 pfr2 kernel: [1594155.120789] do_IRQ: 3.37 No irq handler for 
vector
May  5 00:00:06 pfr2 smstools[2757]: Stopping SMS Daemon: (waiting...done)smsd.
May  5 00:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopped LSB: starts smstools.
May  5 00:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: starts smstools...
May  5 00:00:06 pfr2 smstools[2813]: Starting SMS Daemon: smsd.
May  5 00:00:07 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started LSB: starts smstools.
May  5 00:00:07 pfr2 systemd[1]: logrotate.service: Main process exited, 
code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
May  5 00:00:07 pfr2 systemd[1]: Failed to start Rotate log files.
May  5 00:00:07 pfr2 systemd[1]: logrotate.service: Unit entered failed state.
May  5 00:00:07 pfr2 systemd[1]: logrotate.service: Failed with result 
'exit-code'.
May  5 00:01:01 pfr2 CRON[2967]: (root) CMD (cd / && run-parts --report 
/etc/cron.hourly >> ~root/log/hourly 2>&1)
May  5 00:01:45 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:02:12 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started Run anacron jobs.
May  5 00:02:12 pfr2 systemd[1]: anacron.timer: Adding 2min 15.901915s random 
time.
May  5 00:05:01 pfr2 CRON[3511]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:09:00 pfr2 systemd[1]: Starting Clean php session files...
May  5 00:09:00 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started Clean php session files.
May  5 00:09:01 pfr2 CRON[4152]: (root) CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php/sessionclean ] 
&& if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; then /usr/lib/php/sessionclean; fi)
May  5 00:10:01 pfr2 CRON[4286]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:11:45 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:15:01 pfr2 CRON[4930]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:15:01 pfr2 CRON[4931]: (frenkiel) CMD (check-power >> 
~frenkiel/log/check-power 2>&1)
May  5 00:20:01 pfr2 CRON[5595]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:21:46 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:25:01 pfr2 CRON[6297]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:30:01 pfr2 CRON[7129]: (frenkiel) CMD (check-power >> 
~frenkiel/log/check-power 2>&1)
May  5 00:30:01 pfr2 CRON[7128]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:31:46 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:35:01 pfr2 CRON[9303]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:39:00 pfr2 systemd[1]: Starting Clean php session files...
May  5 00:39:00 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started Clean php session files.
May  5 00:39:01 pfr2 CRON[11456]: (root) CMD (  [ -x /usr/lib/php/sessionclean 
] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; then /usr/lib/php/sessionclean; fi)
May  5 00:40:01 pfr2 CRON[13221]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:41:46 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:45:01 pfr2 CRON[16938]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:45:01 pfr2 CRON[16939]: (frenkiel) CMD (check-power >> 
~frenkiel/log/check-power 2>&1)
May  5 00:50:01 pfr2 CRON[17636]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 00:51:46 pfr2 apcupsd[6432]: Communications with UPS lost.
May  5 00:55:01 pfr2 CRON[18291]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 01:00:00 pfr2 smsd: Writing stats file 190505.01
May  5 01:00:01 pfr2 CRON[18982]: (frenkiel) CMD (cron-hourly >> 
~frenkiel/log/hourly 2>&1)
May  5 01:00:01 pfr2 CRON[18983]: (frenkiel) CMD (check-power >> 
~frenkiel/log/check-power 2>&1)
May  5 01:00:01 pfr2 CRON[18981]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/dma ] && 
/usr/sbin/dma -q1)
May  5 01:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopping Internet superserver...
May  5 01:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Stopped Internet superserver.
May  5 01:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Starting Internet superserver...
May  5 01:00:06 pfr2 systemd[1]: Started Internet superserver.
May  5 01:01:01 pfr2 C

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Frank Scheiner]

Hi Rick,

On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:




On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
 wrote:

: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said:
550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com


Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.

What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing 
attachments?


Did you compress the attachments?

Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
of spamming other lists?

Cheers,
Frank

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sun, 5 May 2019, Frank Scheiner wrote:


Hi Rick,

On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:



On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
 wrote:


: host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] 
said:

550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com


Hmmm I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.

Whats the approved method for doing that now, since its not allowing 
attachments?


Did you compress the attachments?

Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
of spamming other lists?

Cheers,
Frank


  the syslog mode is 640. I think it must be changed to 644 to be
  readable by a normal user.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Trouble making bootable USB from ISO image

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 04/05/2019 à 18:41, deloptes a écrit :

Nicolas George wrote:


That is absolutely not true. Partition data, UEFI or not, bootable or
not, are just octets on a medium. They could be created with an Atari if
Atari had USB plugs, that would not make any difference.

The vague truth behind your statement is:

To edit UEFI variables, the computer need to have booted in UEFI mode.

The UEFI variables, the contents of the computer's non-volatile internal
memory. Not the contents of the drive. They contain, amongst other
things, the default boot options. They are not used when selecting the
boot option manually.


Yes, this is what I wanted to say - you are right. You can create the
partition with fdisk or alike, but grub refuses to install if it is not
booted in UEFI


Again, this is not true. GRUB will install, but it will just not be able 
to update EFI boot variables. Note that you do not need to update EFI 
boot variables if you install GRUB in the removable media path 
(--removable). At least with GRUB versions up to Stretch which relied on 
efibootmgr to update EFI boot variables. Maybe this has changed with 
Buster's GRUB version which does not rely on efibootmgr any more. Not 
tested yet.

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

> On May 5, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
> 
> The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think 
> that makes a difference?

You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.

Adrian

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Rick Thomas]

> On May 5, 2019, at 1:04 AM, Frank Scheiner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> On 5/5/19 09:06, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> : host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] 
>>> said:
>>>550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>> 
>> Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>> 
>> What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing 
>> attachments?
> 
> Did you compress the attachments?
> 
> Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
> attachments is not that useful. Maybe just an intermediate issue because
> of spamming other lists?
> 
> Cheers,
> Frank

The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think 
that makes a difference?
Rick

Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Felix Miata]

> will renaming my .kde directory to something else be sufficient for a test 
Highly unlikely. KDE rudely mixes most of its settings with other apps in
~/.config/. I don't think ~/.kde/ is used at all any more. Better to create a 
new
user for testing to see if the problem survives there. If the problem disappears
in the new user, then you can try eliminating identifiable KDE settings files 
and
directories from ~/.config/.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 5 May 2019 10:04:02 +0200
Frank Scheiner  wrote:

Hello Frank,

>Strange indeed, maybe that was changed. But no longer allowing
>attachments is not that useful.

Stops ppl sending unnecessary guff to the list (emojis, html,
anim-gifs...), not that that applies necessarily to your situation.

There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)
with a pointer to it placed on the list, so those ppl that are able to
help can take a look.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain
Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses


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Re: Can't install addons for firefox

[Dave Sherohman]

On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:52:56AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> Setting about:config / xpinstall.signatures.required to false fixed
> extensions for me for firefox 66.0.1-1 amd64 on Debian sid and for Firefox
> 66.0.2 on Android. I needed to restart Firefox on Debian.

When I tried that yesterday, it allowed extensions to be reinstalled
(yes, I was one of those who tried to fix this problem by uninstalling
and reinstalling my extensions), but not all plugins actually worked in
this state.  Most notably, NoScript displayed no icon on the toolbar
(just a blank space with a tooltip) and did not appear to actually do
anything.  Its settings were also inaccessible, both through the
(missing) popup menu and via the list of installed add-ons (in which
case I got a blank grey page with an endless "loading" spinner
animation).

Based on this, it appears that xpinstall.signatures.required may be no
more than a partial solution.  (Although it's also possible that
something may have been broken in the uninstall/reinstall process.)

-- 
Dave Sherohman

Re: testing: weird resume (black or frozen screen)

[Andrea Borgia]

Il 22/04/19 21:20, Andrea Borgia ha scritto:


This meant that X session was not locked and, now after resuming, the 
apps are still there and the mouse moves. Thing is, nothing else works: 
can't click anywhere, alt-tab does nothing, only switching back to 
console works. Clock is stuck at 20 minutes ago, too.


Replying to self for documentation, in case someone else has this 
problem: it is most likely to be kernel-related, just not the one from 
Debian.


I'm using a custom kernel for my Ryzen "G" (with embedded graphics):
https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries

* 5.0.1 works (with either ucode 2.50 or 2.60)
* anything above exhibits this issue (and occasionally another one, no 
poweroff at the end of hibernation).


Here is the ticket:
https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries/issues/81

Regards,
Andrea.

Re: No Wifi Option

[Curt]

On 2019-05-04, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:

>> Are there legal implications with a user installing non-free software
>> as long as they follow the conditions?
>
> I am not a lawyer - please have your own lawyer consult you regarding
> the licensing terms involved - i.e. possibly some of these:
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/
>

Implying that a Debian user, in downloading a binary blob from Debian's
non-free repositories in order to get his wifi up and running, might in
doing so somehow fall foul of the law is FUD.

-- 
The boys at first were very polite about my medals and asked me what I had done
to get them. I showed them the papers, which were written in very beautiful
language and full of fratellanza and abnegazione, but which really said, with
the adjectives removed, that I had been given the medals because I was 
an American. - "Another Country"

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Rick Thomas]

> On May 5, 2019, at 12:45 AM, Pierre Frenkiel  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 May 2019, Rick Thomas wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> : host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] 
>>> said:
>>>   550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
>> 
>> Hmmm I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
>> 
>> Whats the approved method for doing that now, since its not allowing 
>> attachments?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
> As a check, I try to attach mine
> 
> best regards,
> -- 
> Pierre Frenkiel

That seems to have worked for debian-user.  Mine was a .zip file, and I sent it 
to debian-powerpc.
Do you think an uncompressed .txt file would have done better?

Rick

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Rick Thomas]

> On May 5, 2019, at 2:34 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you 
>> think that makes a difference?
> 
> You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.
> 
> Adrian

What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed 
file was 48KB.
Rick

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Erik Josefsson]

Den 2019-05-05 kl. 04:29, skrev Erik Josefsson:

Den 2019-05-04 kl. 21:43, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:

For danish, picking the layout "Danish (Win keys) has pipe key reachable
as AltGr+= (where AltGr is the right Alt key).

I also set "Menu" (which is the key between right Alt and right Ctrl) as
compose key.


So if you were to make a Danish Teres laptop, you'd make the following 
choices in dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration?


Keyboard model:  Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
Keyboard layout: Danish - (Win keys)
Key to function as AltGr:    The default for the keyboard layout
Compose key: Menu key
Use Control+Alt+Backspace to
terminate the X server?  

Those won't work for me, but there are a couple of Finnish options I 
will try. 


Found that keyboard model "Generic 102-key PC (intl.)" and keyboard 
layout "Finnish - Finnish (Winkeys)" works for me (the rest as above).


At last! :-)

With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful 
for pointers to such.


Sorry for the noise.

//Erik


Configuring keyboard-configuration

Please select the model of the keyboard of this machine.
-Keyboard model: Generic 102-key PC (intl.)
Please select the layout matching the keyboard for this machine.
-Keyboard layout: Danish - Danish (Win keys) [and below "Finnish - 
Finnish (Winkeys)"]
With some keyboard layouts, AltGr is a modifier key used to input some 
characters, primarily ones that are unusual for the language of the 
keyboard layout, such as foreign currency symbols and accented letters. 
These are often printed as an extra symbol on keys.

-Key to function as AltGr:  The default for the keyboard layout
The Compose key (known also as Multi_key) causes the computer to 
interpret the next few keystrokes as a combination in order to produce a 
character not found on the keyboard. On the text console the Compose key 
does not work in Unicode mode. If not in Unicode mode, regardless of 
what you choose here, you can always also use the Control+period 
combination as a Compose key.

-Compose key:  Menu key
By default the combination Control+Alt+Backspace does nothing. If you 
want it can be used to terminate the X server.

-Use Control+Alt+Backspace to terminate the X server? 

Danish - Danish (Win keys)

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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

> On May 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Rick Thomas  wrote:
> 
> What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed 
> file was 48KB.

Remove the irrelevant parts. But 365 kB isn’t too much anyway.

Adrian

Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[Rick Thomas]

Thanks for the reply!

> On May 5, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> 
> There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)

I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.

What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

Enjoy!
Rick

Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[Dan Purgert]

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> Thanks for the reply!
>
>> On May 5, 2019, at 2:55 AM, Brad Rogers  wrote:
>> 
>> There are other places things can be put (own web site, pastebin, etc.)
>
> I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.
>
> What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

It's a style of website that allows you to paste text and others to read
it.  For example, http://termbin.com or http://paste.debian.net, etc.

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Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 5 May 2019 03:13:46 -0700
Rick Thomas  wrote:

Hello Rick,

>What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

A place to share (predominantly) code snippets and the like for the
purposes of critique or garnering advice about ways to improve said code.

Yes, it's available to all.  pastebin.com

Pastebin has the advantage that whatever you upload gets line numbers
attached to the display not the code itself), so people can point you to
exactly the right place.  There are various restrictions based on type of
account you have (unregistered, free, and so on).  But aren't there
always?

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53)
> With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful 
> for pointers to such.

Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"?

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Re: No Wifi Option

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Curt (2019-05-05 12:00:15)
> On 2019-05-04, Jonas Smedegaard  wrote:
> 
> >> Are there legal implications with a user installing non-free 
> >> software as long as they follow the conditions?
> >
> > I am not a lawyer - please have your own lawyer consult you 
> > regarding the licensing terms involved - i.e. possibly some of 
> > these: 
> > https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/
> >
> 
> Implying that a Debian user, in downloading a binary blob from Debian's
> non-free repositories in order to get his wifi up and running, might in
> doing so somehow fall foul of the law is FUD.

Must be a great place you are living.


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Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Erwan David]

Le 05/05/2019 à 12:58, Ivan Ivanov a écrit :
> AMD has a really great opensource graphic drivers, so maybe just
> change your GPU ? To solve this kind of problems once and forever...
>
It is a laptop, so not possible. (and I had bad experience with fglrx
drivers, but it may have changed)

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Felix Miata]

Rick Thomas composed on 2019-05-05 03:06 (UTC-0700):

> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote 

>> You should simply not send compressed attachments, especially for text.

> What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed 
> file was 48KB. 
using web browser:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin
http://paste.debian.net/
http://pastebin.com/
or:

$ pastebinit

avoids need to open a browser to upload.
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Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Erwan David]

Le 05/05/2019 à 13:08, Ivan Ivanov a écrit :
> fglrx is a really old proprietary AMD driver which does not work on
> anything newer than Ubuntu 14.04.4 . Perhaps AMD was disgusted by it
> as well, because they abandoned it and created a really good
> replacement opensource driver - that's working perfectly out of the
> box on any Linux I've encountered, without any need to install
> anything additional. Depending on your laptop model, it might be
> possible to replace a GPU (e.g. if it's on a detachable MXM module) or
> connect a desktop one through some port or even to WiFi adapter's
> MiniPCIe port through a cheap adapter.
Lenovo T530, I do not think there is any possibility to change it...

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Erik Josefsson]

Den 2019-05-05 kl. 12:47, skrev Jonas Smedegaard:

Quoting Erik Josefsson (2019-05-05 12:06:53)

With some stickers to put onto the printed keys I'll be fine. Grateful
for pointers to such.

Did you try search the web e.g. for "keyboard stickers"?

I did! And "swerty" came up!

http://johanegustafsson.net/projects/swerty/

He says "Swerty for Linux" has been tested  on Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 
and 12.04.


I guess this means I could file a whishlist bug for both "TERES-I 
keyboard" as 'Keyboard model' and and "Swerty" as 'Keyboard layout' as 
choices presented by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration :-)


Best regards.

//Erik

Re: List attachments

[Carl Fink]

On 5/5/19 6:13 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.

What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?

Enjoy!
Rick


Places you can put stuff for others to see, besides Pastebin:

1)Many ISP accounts give some free web space, e.g. Panix

2)A free Google account allows document sharing. So does a free Microsoft
account. Like them or hate them, most of us have one for convenience's sake.

3)You can create a free WordPress account easily. Even if you only blog
every decade or two, you get the ability to upload files and give them URLs.

4)Plenty of others

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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked? - Bradley M. Kuhn is not an attorney (he should go get his JD and get licensed).

[rhkramer]

On Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:51:15 AM vsnsdual...@redchan.it wrote:
> Bar rules do not allow lawyers to serve under a non-lawyer
> in
> an organization, and the organization was essentially a pro-bono law
> firm
> (which really needed a attorney in it's ranks...)

That's interesting, but (off the point of this email exchange), it puzzles me 
-- many corporations headed by non-lawyers have lawyers on staff, so I'm 
guessing that the statement you made applies only to organizations like law 
firms, or, the lawyers on the staff of a non-law corporation are in something 
at 
least a little different than the normal employer / employee relationship.

(PS: I stand corrected on Kuhn being a lawyer -- thanks for the correction.)

Now I have to debate (with myself) whether to prune the cc list -- I forget 
the original post -- was it really this widespread?

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked? - Bradley M. Kuhn is not an attorney (he should go get his JD and get licensed).

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 08:07:51AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>Now I have to debate (with myself) whether to prune the cc list -- I forget 
>the original post -- was it really this widespread?

It's just bullshit trolling. Multiple different From: addresses, all
sent via cock.li. Easily blocked/ignored.

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Buster boot failed on Thinkpad P52 after installing GDM3

[John Mok]

Hi,

I would like to install Buster with GDM3 on Thinkpad P52 :-

Buster with minimal installation

>apt-get install gdm3

The system failed to boot with the following error messages :-

error: file `/i386-pc/all_video.mod' not found
error: file `/i386-pc/gzio.mod' not found
error: file `/i386-pc/part_msdos.mod' not found
error: file `/i386-pc/ext2.mod' not found
error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
error: invalid file name `@/XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.
error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
error: invalid file name `?9XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.

Press any key to continue...

I hope someone could point me the solution (dmesg attached).

Thanks a lot.

John Mok
[0.00] Linux version 4.19.0-4-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org) 
(gcc version 8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-2)) #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15)
[0.00] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.19.0-4-amd64 
root=/dev/mapper/VG1-root ro quiet
[0.00] x86/fpu: Supporting XSAVE feature 0x001: 'x87 floating point 
registers'
[0.00] x86/fpu: Supporting XSAVE feature 0x002: 'SSE registers'
[0.00] x86/fpu: Supporting XSAVE feature 0x004: 'AVX registers'
[0.00] x86/fpu: Supporting XSAVE feature 0x008: 'MPX bounds registers'
[0.00] x86/fpu: Supporting XSAVE feature 0x010: 'MPX CSR'
[0.00] x86/fpu: xstate_offset[2]:  576, xstate_sizes[2]:  256
[0.00] x86/fpu: xstate_offset[3]:  832, xstate_sizes[3]:   64
[0.00] x86/fpu: xstate_offset[4]:  896, xstate_sizes[4]:   64
[0.00] x86/fpu: Enabled xstate features 0x1f, context size is 960 
bytes, using 'compacted' format.
[0.00] BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x-0x0009dfff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0009e000-0x0009] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x000e-0x000f] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0010-0x465cafff] usable
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x465cb000-0x489a3fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x489a4000-0x489d4fff] ACPI NVS
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x489d5000-0x58aacfff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x58aad000-0x58ac9fff] ACPI NVS
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x58aca000-0x58acafff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x58acb000-0x58ba9fff] ACPI NVS
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x58baa000-0x58c0efff] ACPI data
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x58c0f000-0x5f7f] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xe000-0xefff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfe00-0xfe010fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfed1-0xfed19fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfed84000-0xfed84fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xfee0-0xfee00fff] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0xff20-0x] reserved
[0.00] BIOS-e820: [mem 0x0001-0x00089e7f] usable
[0.00] NX (Execute Disable) protection: active
[0.00] SMBIOS 3.1.1 present.
[0.00] DMI: LENOVO 20M9A004HH/20M9A004HH, BIOS N2CET41W (1.24 ) 
03/18/2019
[0.00] tsc: Detected 2200.000 MHz processor
[0.002212] tsc: Detected 2208.000 MHz TSC
[0.002212] e820: update [mem 0x-0x0fff] usable ==> reserved
[0.002214] e820: remove [mem 0x000a-0x000f] usable
[0.00] last_pfn = 0x89e800 max_arch_pfn = 0x4
[0.002226] MTRR default type: uncachable
[0.002227] MTRR fixed ranges enabled:
[0.002228]   0-9 write-back
[0.002229]   A-B uncachable
[0.002230]   C-F write-protect
[0.002230] MTRR variable ranges enabled:
[0.002232]   0 base 00 mask 70 write-back
[0.002233]   1 base 006000 mask 7FE000 uncachable
[0.002234]   2 base 005B00 mask 7FFF00 uncachable
[0.002235]   3 base 008000 mask 7F8000 uncachable
[0.002235]   4 disabled
[0.002236]   5 disabled
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[0.002237]   7 disabled
[0.002237]   8 base 005C00 mask 7FFC00 uncachable
[0.002238]   9 disabled
[0.003454] x86/PAT: Configuration [0-7]: WB  WC  UC- UC  WB  WP  UC- WT  
[0.003642] e820: update [mem 0x5b00-0x] usable ==> reserved
[0.003647] last_pfn = 0x465cb max_arch_pfn = 0x4
[0.013695] Base memory trampoline at [(ptrval)] 98000 size 24576
[0.013699] Using GB pages for direct mapping
[0.013701] BRK [0x31c401000, 0x31c401fff] PGTABLE
[0.013703] BRK [0x31c402000, 0x31c402fff] PGTABLE
[0.013704] BRK [0x31c403000, 0x31c403fff] PGTABLE
[0.013726] BRK [0x31c404000, 0x31c404fff] PGTABLE
[0.013728] BRK [0x31c405000, 0x31c405fff] PGTABLE
[0.013806] BRK 

Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Erwan David]

Le 05/05/2019 à 11:52, Felix Miata a écrit :
>> will renaming my .kde directory to something else be sufficient for a test 
> Highly unlikely. KDE rudely mixes most of its settings with other apps in
> ~/.config/. I don't think ~/.kde/ is used at all any more. Better to create a 
> new
> user for testing to see if the problem survives there. If the problem 
> disappears
> in the new user, then you can try eliminating identifiable KDE settings files 
> and
> directories from ~/.config/.


Thanks. I have a hint : reducing refresh rate to 50Hz instead of
"automatic" seems to give a more stable graphical session.

I also had the following message on the text console after my graphical
screen got messed :

[ 7009.004936] nouveau :01:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0344: link rate
unsupported by sink
[ 7009.005030] nouveau :01:00.0: disp: outp 04:0006:0344: training
failed

Which makes me think that a setting (of plasma) working with the nvidia
driver does not work (at least with the modesetting DDX).

Re: Buster boot failed on Thinkpad P52 after installing GDM3

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 5/5/19 3:29 PM, John Mok wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to install Buster with GDM3 on Thinkpad P52 :-
> 
> Buster with minimal installation
> 
>> apt-get install gdm3
> 
> The system failed to boot with the following error messages :-
> 
> error: file `/i386-pc/all_video.mod' not found
> error: file `/i386-pc/gzio.mod' not found
> error: file `/i386-pc/part_msdos.mod' not found
> error: file `/i386-pc/ext2.mod' not found
> error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
> error: invalid file name `@/XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.
> error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
> error: invalid file name `?9XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.
> 
> Press any key to continue...
> 
> I hope someone could point me the solution (dmesg attached).
> 

Hi John,

probably booting issue is somewhere else, not in GDM.

I'm not sure which package has given these error messages but if it was
GRUB, just try to reinstall it. Even you can try to install EFI version
of GRUB.

By the way it seems that GDM has a bug in Buster so if you are a GNOME
user then you can consider to use LightDM

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=897975

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: Buster boot failed on Thinkpad P52 after installing GDM3

[An Liu]

>From error message ，it seems grub cant locate it‘s stage2 file


that indicate you dont have grub proper installed，did you remove or change
harddisk？

kernel arch is amd64 but grub i386-pc，and from the error it's a efi
installation

are you trying to boot from legacy while installation is under EFI

btw，how did you get dmesg ，while the boot stop at grub

i think a reinstallation of grub would fix this


On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 15:02 Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:

> On 5/5/19 3:29 PM, John Mok wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to install Buster with GDM3 on Thinkpad P52 :-
> >
> > Buster with minimal installation
> >
> >> apt-get install gdm3
> >
> > The system failed to boot with the following error messages :-
> >
> > error: file `/i386-pc/all_video.mod' not found
> > error: file `/i386-pc/gzio.mod' not found
> > error: file `/i386-pc/part_msdos.mod' not found
> > error: file `/i386-pc/ext2.mod' not found
> > error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
> > error: invalid file name `@/XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.
> > error: invalid file name `P[F`gLF/i386-pc/echo,mod'.
> > error: invalid file name `?9XF`gLF/i386-pc/linux,mod'.
> >
> > Press any key to continue...
> >
> > I hope someone could point me the solution (dmesg attached).
> >
>
> Hi John,
>
> probably booting issue is somewhere else, not in GDM.
>
> I'm not sure which package has given these error messages but if it was
> GRUB, just try to reinstall it. Even you can try to install EFI version
> of GRUB.
>
> By the way it seems that GDM has a bug in Buster so if you are a GNOME
> user then you can consider to use LightDM
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=897975
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
> --
Liu An

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Brian]

On Sun 05 May 2019 at 00:06:56 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:

> > On May 4, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Mail Delivery System 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > : host bendel.debian.org[82.195.75.100] 
> > said:
> >550 5.7.1 No attachments allowed (in reply to end of DATA command)
> > Reporting-MTA: dns; pb-sasl20.pobox.com
> 
> Hmmm… I was trying to attach the syslog file from a failing install.
> 
> What’s the approved method for doing that now, since it’s not allowing 
> attachments?

The Debian mailing lists I deal with most (including -user) all accept
attachments, compressed and uncompressed. However, there will be a size
limit. The limit varies from list to list; perhaps it is 0 for -powerpc.
I would mail listmaster@l.d.o and enquire.

Incidentally, using outside agencies to host files like yours is not a
good idea and is not suitable for longterm storage. In the case of a
bug report, the extra step involved in accessing the information might
have a deterrent effect on readers.

-- 
Brian. 

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[David Wright]

On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> > On Sat 04 May 2019 at 12:23:48 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:37 AM Erik Josefsson  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > And it works! Now I am just missing "|" and "¦".
> > > 
> > > With US Keyboards, I see either of those characters, right of the 
> > > "p" key.
> > > I was not aware that there were two, distinct characters.
> > > 
> > > One of them ("|" on my current keyboard) is used as a "Pipe" symbol, 
> > > for when I "pipe" the results of one command into another.
> > > 
> > > Which?
> > 
> > Pipe lies between { and } and is 7-bit ASCII, whereas the other one
> > lies between Yen and Section. I'm not sure why the OP wants to be able
> > to type it directly from one keystroke. Look at the company it keeps:
> > ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ ­ ® ¯ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ ¶ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿ À
> > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't
> > even have ¢.
> 
> ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.

Er. Americans still have cents (¢).

The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway. I never saw its symbol
being used in the wild. Its position is way down the Unicode table,
in the company of ₡ ₢ ₣ ₤ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₨ ₩ ₪ ₫ € ₭ ₮ ₯ ₰ ₱, currency signs
that I would have difficulty naming from their symbols, apart from—

> € (euro) is the current currency sign in some of EU.
> 
> As for the original question I simply ignore the odd parts and focus on 
> what I can sensibly contribute to: The pipe sign a.k.a. Unicode 
> "vertical bar": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar

Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is *so*
keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are
almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it?
Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to
http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6
which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its
code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias
ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least
in European usage."

Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to
want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic
as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that
they didn't.

Cheers,
David.

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting David Wright (2019-05-05 16:26:26)
> On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:16:25 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting David Wright (2019-05-04 20:14:12)
> > > We British are used to having £ available, but US keyboards don't 
> > > even have ¢.
> > 
> > ¢ (ecu) is obsolete since many years.
> 
> Er. Americans still have cents (¢).
> 
> The ECU (₠) was never a real currency anyway.

Whoops - I guess that reveals how rarely (i.e. never) I use cent sign 
:-)

Thanks for the correction!

 - Jonas

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Re: No Wifi Option

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, May 04, 2019 03:39:03 PM Terrill Wallace wrote:
> I'm just gonna quit and give up

I hate to hear that -- I might ask a few questions and suggest some 
alternatives:

   * Are you already a Linux user, or are you a non-Linux user considering a 
move to Linux -- I'd especially hate to lose a potential Linux convert?

   * I hear that some other Linux distributions include more "non-free" 
software by default -- you might try one of those -- I'd be tempted to try a 
*buntu" -- I'd prefer Kubuntu because I like KDE, but I don't know if it is as 
up-to-date as the latest Ubuntu.

   * Where do you live -- if you live somewhere fairly close to east central 
Pa., I might be able to help you in person, if you live somewhere else, there 
may be others wiling and able to help you in person.  Perhaps you are near a 
LUG (Linux User Group) that might help you in person (at a meeting).

   If you post a general location (country, region of country (in the US, 
state and region of state to start with) someone may chime in with an offer of 
help.

In any case, good luck!

Re: No Wifi Option

[rhkramer]

PS: I happen to have a wired (RJ-45) Internet connection.  If I had the 
problem, I'd be tempted to install Debian using the wired connection, then 
work on configuring the wireless connection.  (On the other hand, I suspect an 
*buntu installation might work fine over WiFi.)

On Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:06:06 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 04, 2019 03:39:03 PM Terrill Wallace wrote:
> > I'm just gonna quit and give up
> 
> I hate to hear that -- I might ask a few questions and suggest some
> alternatives:
> 
>* Are you already a Linux user, or are you a non-Linux user considering
> a move to Linux -- I'd especially hate to lose a potential Linux convert?
> 
>* I hear that some other Linux distributions include more "non-free"
> software by default -- you might try one of those -- I'd be tempted to try
> a *buntu" -- I'd prefer Kubuntu because I like KDE, but I don't know if it
> is as up-to-date as the latest Ubuntu.
> 
>* Where do you live -- if you live somewhere fairly close to east
> central Pa., I might be able to help you in person, if you live somewhere
> else, there may be others wiling and able to help you in person.  Perhaps
> you are near a LUG (Linux User Group) that might help you in person (at a
> meeting).
> 
>If you post a general location (country, region of country (in the US,
> state and region of state to start with) someone may chime in with an offer
> of help.
> 
> In any case, good luck!

Re: No Wifi Option

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting rhkra...@gmail.com (2019-05-05 17:08:49)
> PS: I happen to have a wired (RJ-45) Internet connection.  If I had 
> the problem, I'd be tempted to install Debian using the wired 
> connection, then work on configuring the wireless connection.  (On the 
> other hand, I suspect an *buntu installation might work fine over 
> WiFi.)

Debian+nonfree generally works fine over wifi as well.

 - Jonas

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Re: No Wifi Option

[Curt]

On 2019-05-05, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Saturday, May 04, 2019 03:39:03 PM Terrill Wallace wrote:
>> I'm just gonna quit and give up
>
> I hate to hear that -- I might ask a few questions and suggest some 
> alternatives:

The dude must be leery after calculating the cost-benefit ratio of
lawyering up to handle the intricate "legal implications" of getting his
wifi up mentioned in the thread.

Of course, anyone who quits *and* gives up simultaneously is trying to
make some sort of point rather than solve some kind of problem.

Out.

-- 
The boys at first were very polite about my medals and asked me what I had done
to get them. I showed them the papers, which were written in very beautiful
language and full of fratellanza and abnegazione, but which really said, with
the adjectives removed, that I had been given the medals because I was 
an American. - "Another Country"

Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[Björn Persson]

I've been trying various kernel command line parameters that have been
suggested in this thread. None of these made any noticeable difference:

· acpi=off
· systemd.restore_state=0
· init=/lib/sysvinit/init
· init=/bin/sh

I also found a parameter called initcall_debug that seemed like it
might provide more data, but that didn't lead anywhere either.

Even with init=/bin/sh I still see the string "starting version 232" –
which is the version number of SystemD – and "uninitialized urandom
read" messages that mention systemd-udevd and udevadm. Fortunately the
presence or absence of "quiet" has an obvious effect. Otherwise I would
have started to think that Grub ignored my changes to the command line.

Unpacking and examining initrd.img-4.9.0-9-686 I find that /sbin/init
is actually Busybox. So is /bin/sh, so that might explain why they both
do the same thing. /lib/sysvinit/init doesn't exist in the initrd, but
apparently Busybox gets started anyway. (Perhaps Linux falls back on
the default if the requested init program doesn't exist?) It seems that
I'll have to hack the initrd somehow if I am to get at a shell and poke
around in the initrd environment.

Booting from USB has been suggested several times. I'll do that if
someone can tell me the magic incantation that makes Combios boot a USB
device. I doubt it's possible. PXE booting is supposed to work. Maybe
some day in a few weeks or months I'll find the time to set up a boot
server.

Björn Persson


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Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[Björn Persson]

deloptes wrote:
> I do not see in the log
> assignment to the disk, so I suspect the hard drive is not assigned
> properly and can not be accessed - are you booting from a card, or disk or
> usb? What if you try to disable pata_amd?
> 
> [6.114215] ata1: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xe000 irq
> 14
> [6.156075] ata2: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xe008 irq
> 15
> ...
> ...
> [6.407833] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully
> accessible
> [6.449569] ata1.00: ATA-9: Samsung SSD 850 PRO 1TB, EXM02B6Q, max
> UDMA/133
> [6.491306] ata1.00: 2000409264 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)
> 
> and nothing like sda or hda.

Yes, some kind of disk access problem seems likely, seeing that the
disk activity light gets stuck on. This SATA SSD is the one and only
storage device in the box, and the bios and Grub read it just fine, but
maybe Linux somehow can't.

Björn Persson


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Re: No Wifi Option

[rhkramer]

On Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:42:36 AM Curt wrote:
> Of course, anyone who quits *and* gives up simultaneously is trying to
> make some sort of point rather than solve some kind of problem.

Hmm, I have trouble relating to that.  I can imagine saying that I "quit and 
give up" as a redundancy, and my intent (unstated intent) would be to do 
something else entirely to accomplish my goal (stick with Windows, buy a new 
laptop, stick to a desktop, hire someone to set up Linux on my laptop, hire 
someone to browse the web, ... ???).

Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[Björn Persson]

Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Björn Persson (2019-05-02 15:07:00)
> > Jonas Smedegaard wrote:  
> > > Most but not all areas that Geode CPUs previously covered, nowadays 
> > > is covered by ARM SoCs.  You may find this useful: 
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware  
> > 
> > Something ARM-based might well be a candidate, yes. Thanks for the 
> > list, but its requirements are partially different from mine. For 
> > example a microSD slot isn't a hard requirement for me.  
> 
> Not sure why you emphasize MicroSD - it just happens to be the storage 
> type most common among cheap ARM boards.

Maybe it's only because I'm not familiar with the ARM world. I think of
memory cards as a removable medium that's used for copying files between
devices – especially from a camera to a computer. I tend to assume that
permanently mounted storage devices use SATA (unless requirements are
so high that NVME or SAS is used). If there are quality microSD cards
nowadays that are performant and reliable enough to replace a disk or
SSD, then I suppose I could use that.

When I see "uSD slot, easy accessible" in a bulleted list of what looks
like requirements, then I get the impression that any device that lacks
a microSD slot, or where it's not easy to access, would be excluded. I
wouldn't reject an otherwise promising computer just because it has a
SATA disk instead of a microSD card, and I don't mind using a
screwdriver if I need to replace a hard disk. That's all I meant.

Björn Persson


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Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[Stefan Monnier]

> When I see "uSD slot, easy accessible" in a bulleted list of what looks
> like requirements, then I get the impression that any device that lacks
> a microSD slot, or where it's not easy to access, would be excluded. I
> wouldn't reject an otherwise promising computer just because it has a
> SATA disk instead of a microSD card, and I don't mind using a
> screwdriver if I need to replace a hard disk. That's all I meant.

Most of those ARM SBCs come with a µSD slot plus other things.
Even if you connect a SATA disk, you'll often need a µSD because some
of those SBCs don't have any on-board flash memory, so you need the µSD
to hold the U-Boot (which plays the role of the BIOS) without which the
board doesn't even know how to read from the SATA disk.

IOW it's not "SATA or µSD?" but rather "does it support SATA
(additionally to µSD)?"


Stefan

Re: No Wifi Option

[Curt]

On 2019-05-05, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:42:36 AM Curt wrote:
>> Of course, anyone who quits *and* gives up simultaneously is trying to
>> make some sort of point rather than solve some kind of problem.
>
> Hmm, I have trouble relating to that.  I can imagine saying that I "quit and 
> give up" as a redundancy, and my intent (unstated intent) would be to do 
> something else entirely to accomplish my goal (stick with Windows, buy a new 
> laptop, stick to a desktop, hire someone to set up Linux on my laptop, hire 
> someone to browse the web, ... ???).
>

I found the phrase revealed a certain childish petulance incongruent
with the application of the unwavering scientific values that are the
hallmark of this technical forum.
 
;-)


-- 
The boys at first were very polite about my medals and asked me what I had done
to get them. I showed them the papers, which were written in very beautiful
language and full of fratellanza and abnegazione, but which really said, with
the adjectives removed, that I had been given the medals because I was 
an American. - "Another Country"

Files sidebar Folder shorcuts, namely 'Documents'

[Esteban L]

Hello,

I think this is a baby question, but thought I would throw you all a
bone :-)

I want to setup a shortcut that basically uses my cloud's "Documents"
folder, instead of the Debian /home/user version.

I can use the ln command, and make a symbolic link as simple as:

ln --symbolic /home/user/Documents /home/user/cloud/Documents

The ramifications of that? I don't know. 

I tried to search around, but as an be imagined, "Files" doesn't help
much. 

I mostly just want to sidebar "Documents" to be my cloud's Documents. I
can just drag it to the sidebar (it will be near the bottom), but my
home/user/Documents remains. I cannot delete it or change it (I am sure
there is a way, I just don't know).

I would like to remove, or alter the above "Documents" if there is a
simple way--which I assume there is.

Anyone have an familiarity with this? Thanks

Re: Buster boot failed on Thinkpad P52 after installing GDM3

[John Mok]

Hi An,

>
> From error message ，it seems grub cant locate it‘s stage2 file
>
>
> that indicate you dont have grub proper installed，did you remove or change 
> harddisk？
>

No, I didn't remove or change harddisk. I just execute apt-get install gdm3

> kernel arch is amd64 but grub i386-pc，and from the error it's a efi 
> installation
>
> are you trying to boot from legacy while installation is under EFI
>

I ran non-efi installation (i.e. BIOS + MBR)

> btw，how did you get dmesg ，while the boot stop at grub
>

As it was a repeatable problem. I got the dmesg before executing
apt-get install gdm3

Best regards,

John Mok

Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Björn Persson (2019-05-05 18:05:59)
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Björn Persson (2019-05-02 15:07:00)
> > > Jonas Smedegaard wrote:  
> > > > Most but not all areas that Geode CPUs previously covered, 
> > > > nowadays is covered by ARM SoCs.  You may find this useful: 
> > > > https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware
> > > 
> > > Something ARM-based might well be a candidate, yes. Thanks for the 
> > > list, but its requirements are partially different from mine. For 
> > > example a microSD slot isn't a hard requirement for me.
> > 
> > Not sure why you emphasize MicroSD - it just happens to be the 
> > storage type most common among cheap ARM boards.
> 
> Maybe it's only because I'm not familiar with the ARM world. I think 
> of memory cards as a removable medium that's used for copying files 
> between devices – especially from a camera to a computer. I tend to 
> assume that permanently mounted storage devices use SATA (unless 
> requirements are so high that NVME or SAS is used). If there are 
> quality microSD cards nowadays that are performant and reliable enough 
> to replace a disk or SSD, then I suppose I could use that.
> 
> When I see "uSD slot, easy accessible" in a bulleted list of what 
> looks like requirements, then I get the impression that any device 
> that lacks a microSD slot, or where it's not easy to access, would be 
> excluded. I wouldn't reject an otherwise promising computer just 
> because it has a SATA disk instead of a microSD card, and I don't mind 
> using a screwdriver if I need to replace a hard disk. That's all I 
> meant.

Makes good sense.  Thanks for elaborating.

The referenced wiki page targets devices usable for non-technical users 
- it was established for the FreedomBox project at first, but have seen 
more broad use since then.

That item about easy accessible MicroSD card specifically is because a) 
cheap ARM SBCs (single board computers) typically require MicroSD for 
_booting_ even when equipped with SATA and USB port (for comparison with 
IBM-compatible computers think "which device can BIOS be loaded from"), 
and b) an early reference device for the FreedomBox project - GuruPlug - 
had its MicroSD card behind a seal, so even if users are able to operate 
a screwdriver if flashing went wrong then resetting involved "breaking 
the seal".


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

So web page in the sig is dark.

Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the 
apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.

As root;

Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:

May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line 
204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 
of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot 
load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.

And indeed, there is no such module in that directory.  Fix??

Thanks all;

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Ulf Volmer]

On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but the 
> apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
> 
> As root;
> 
> Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> 
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP Server...
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax error on line 
> 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 
> of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot 
> load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.

mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:

https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html

I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.

Best regards
Ulf

Re: Is Debian 9 supposed to work on a Geode?

[deloptes]

Björn Persson wrote:

> Yes, some kind of disk access problem seems likely, seeing that the
> disk activity light gets stuck on. This SATA SSD is the one and only
> storage device in the box, and the bios and Grub read it just fine, but
> maybe Linux somehow can't.

I suggested to try booting without systemd and if it does not work with
init=/bin/sh - then try find out what is missing. I recall problem with
udev not createing devices, but could be anything - the only way to find
out is to get into the boot/initrd shell.

It could be also you are missing drivers in the initrd - but therea re so
many possible reasons for failure, I would not speculate on them - just go
into the shell and try find out what is the issue. 

regards

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:

> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but
> > the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
> >
> > As root;
> >
> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> >
> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax
> > error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line
> > 1
> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>
> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
>
> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
>
> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
>
> Best regards
> Ulf

Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a new 
install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working as it 
was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on the otgher 
side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a minimum of 100 
miles away. So I am not in a good mood.

And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use, but it 
spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go back into 
localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click on modify to 
see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that sys I as first 
user, has no permissions to do anything.

Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no provisions 
to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to me:me, do what 
I have to do, and change it all back, difficult remember since parts of 
it are owned by root:Lp

So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself to 
some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning whenever it 
asked for a password, I changed the displayed username to me, and used 
my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.

But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into 
to /etc/cupsd.conf, here

# Restrict access to the admin pages...

  Order allow,deny


To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do to 
fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid capable 
brother and of course cups.pdf?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: No Wifi Option

[rhkramer]

Thanks!

BTW: I'm thinking about borrowing part of your sig line, specifically the 

[x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private

perhaps with a modification -- hmm, thinking out loud, I was going to add "with 
attribution" to "quote me freely", but maybe that is implied by the word 
"quote" -- I'll think about that ;-)

Have a good day!

On Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:39:55 AM Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting rhkra...@gmail.com (2019-05-05 17:08:49)
> 
> > PS: I happen to have a wired (RJ-45) Internet connection.  If I had
> > the problem, I'd be tempted to install Debian using the wired
> > connection, then work on configuring the wireless connection.  (On the
> > other hand, I suspect an *buntu installation might work fine over
> > WiFi.)
> 
> Debian+nonfree generally works fine over wifi as well.
> 
>  - Jonas

Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Felix Miata]

Erwan David composed on 2019-05-05 15:01 (UTC+0200):

> ...the nvidia driver does not work (at least with the modesetting DDX). 

The featured component of an NVidia "driver" installation is its DDX. If you're
using NVidia's proprietary "driver", you're not using the modesetting DDX or the
nouveau DDX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_Dependent_X
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Which nvidia driver am I using

[Erwan David]

Le 05/05/2019 à 20:43, Felix Miata a écrit :
> Erwan David composed on 2019-05-05 15:01 (UTC+0200):
>
>> ...the nvidia driver does not work (at least with the modesetting DDX). 
> The featured component of an NVidia "driver" installation is its DDX. If 
> you're
> using NVidia's proprietary "driver", you're not using the modesetting DDX or 
> the
> nouveau DDX.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_Dependent_X


At time I sent my first email I was using (as said by inxi) the nouveau
kernel module and the modesetting DDX. I now have a stable configuration
with nouveau kernel module and nouveau DDX (just had to add a section
Section "Device"
  Identifier "Video Card"
  Driver "nouveau"
EndSection
)

Thanks to all people who gave me hints, I have now a working config.

Re: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration (Swedish with "|")

[Erik Josefsson]

Den 2019-05-05 kl. 16:26, skrev David Wright:

Is this some sort of ticking off for wondering why the OP is*so*
keen to be able to type ¦ directly on the keyboard that they are
almost willing to use a USB keyboard with a laptop to get it?
Particularly as the wiki page referred to above has a reference to
http://jkorpela.fi/latin1/3.html#A6
which states "It is advisable to avoid using this character, since its
code position is occupied by another character in ISO Latin 9 (alias
ISO 8859-15), which will probably widely replace ISO Latin 1 at least
in European usage."

Now, using Unicode might avoid this danger, but it's still odd to
want this character so much when it appears to be as much of a relic
as the aforementioned ECU is. And, after all, the answer is that
they didn't.


For what it's worth, I had the foggy idea that I had to figure out how 
to make the Teres keyboard reproduce the output from the Scandinavian 
USB keyboard. What else would be "right"?


When the 105 and 102 options then gave the same result, it got 
completely lost.


And I'm still kind of lost since I don't really understand what a 
"Keyboard model" is. So already at the first menu choice of 
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration I don't really know what I'm 
doing there.


In the dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration menu there are [193 
different keyboard models] to choose from.


But two of them are the same, at least from the point of view of a Teres 
laptop.


How does that work?

//Erik

[193 different keyboard models]

A4Tech KB-21
A4Tech KBS-8
A4Tech Wireless Desktop RFKB-23 — безжична
Acer AirKey V
Acer C300
Acer Ferrari 4000
Acer portàtil
Advance Scorpius KI
Amiga
Apple
Apple Aluminium (ANSI)
Apple Aluminium (ISO)
Apple Aluminium (JIS)
Apple portàtil
Asus portàtil
Atari TT
Azona RF2300 wireless Internet
BenQ X-Touch
BenQ X-Touch 730
BenQ X-Touch 800
Brother Internet
BTC 5090
BTC 5113RF Multimedia
BTC 5126T
BTC 6301URF
BTC 9000
BTC 9000A
BTC 9001AH
BTC 9019U
BTC 9116U Mini Wireless Internet and Gaming — безжична, за Интернет и игри
Cherry Blue Line CyBo@rd
Cherry Blue Line CyBo@rd (alt.)
Cherry B.UNLIMITED
Cherry CyBo@rd USB-Hub
Cherry CyMotion Expert
Cherry CyMotion Master Linux
Cherry CyMotion Master XPress
Chicony Internet
Chicony KB-9885
Chicony KU-0108
Chicony KU-0420
Chromebook
Classmate PC
Compaq Armada portàtil
Compaq Easy Access
Compaq Internet (13 tecles)
Compaq Internet (18 tecles)
Compaq Internet (7 tecles)
Compaq iPaq
Compaq Presario portàtil
Creative Desktop Wireless 7000 — безжична
Dell
Dell 101-key PC
Dell Inspiron 6000/8000 portàtil
Dell Latitude portàtil
Dell Precision M65 portàtil
Dell Precision M portàtil
Dell SK-8125
Dell SK-8135
Dell USB Multimedia
Dexxa Wireless Desktop
Diamond 9801/9802
DTK2000
eMachines m6800 portàtil
Ennyah DKB-1008
Everex STEPnote
FL90
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo portàtil
Generies 101-sleutel PC
Generies 104-sleutel PC
Genius Comfy KB-12e
Genius Comfy KB-16M/Multimedia KWD-910
Genius Comfy KB-21e-Scroll
Genius KB-19e NB
Genius KKB-2050HS
Gyration
Happy Hacking
Happy Hacking per Mac
Hewlett-Packard Internet
Hewlett-Packard Mini 110 portàtil
Hewlett-Packard NEC SK-2500 Multimedia
Hewlett-Packard nx9020
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 500
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 500 FA
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook 6000/6100
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XE3 GC
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XE3 GF
Hewlett-Packard Omnibook XT1000
Hewlett-Packard Pavilion dv5
Hewlett-Packard Pavilion ZT1100
Honeywell Euroboard
HTC Dream
IBM Rapid Access
IBM Rapid Access II
IBM Space Saver
IBM ThinkPad 560Z/600/600E/A22E
IBM ThinkPad R60/T60/R61/T61
IBM ThinkPad Z60m/Z60t/Z61m/Z61t
Keytronic FlexPro
Logitech
Logitech Access
Logitech Cordless Desktop
Logitech Cordless Desktop (alt.)
Logitech Cordless Desktop EX110
Logitech Cordless Desktop iTouch
Logitech Cordless Desktop LX-300 — безжична
Logitech Cordless Desktop Navigator
Logitech Cordless Desktop Optical
Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro (2a. alt.)
Logitech Cordless Freedom/Desktop Navigator
Logitech diNovo
Logitech diNovo Edge
Logitech G15, допълнителни клавиши чрез G15daemon
Logitech Internet
 Logitech Internet 350
Logitech Internet Navigator
Logitech iTouch
Logitech iTouch Cordless Y-RB6
Logitech iTouch Internet Navigator SE
Logitech iTouch Internet Navigator SE USB
Logitech Ultra-X
Logitech Ultra-X Cordless Media Desktop
MacBook/MacBook Pro
MacBook/MacBook Pro (intl.)
Macintosh
Macintosh (oud)
Memorex MX1998
Memorex MX2500 EZ-Access
Memorex MX2750
Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000
Microsoft Internet
Microsoft Internet Pro (Suec)
Microsoft Natural Elite
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000
Microsoft Natural Pro OEM
Microsoft Natural Pro/Internet Pro
Microsoft Natural Pro USB/Internet Pro
Microsoft Natural Wireless Ergonomic 7000
Microsoft Natuurlik
Microsoft Office sleutelbord
Microsoft Wireless Multimedia 1.0A
NEC SK-1300
NEC SK-2500
NEC SK-6200
NEC SK-7100
Northgate OmniKey 101
OLPC
Ortek Multimedia/Internet MCK-800
PC-98
PC genèric de 102 tecles (intl.)
PC genèric de 105 tecles (intl.)
Propelle

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Kushal Kumaran]

Gene Heskett  writes:

> On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:
>
>> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing, but
>> > the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No errors.
>> >
>> > As root;
>> >
>> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
>> >
>> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
>> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2: Syntax
>> > error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line
>> > 1
>> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
>> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
>> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
>>
>> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
>>
>> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
>>
>> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Ulf
>
> Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a new 
> install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working as it 
> was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on the otgher 
> side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a minimum of 100 
> miles away. So I am not in a good mood.
>
> And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use, but it 
> spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go back into 
> localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click on modify to 
> see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that sys I as first 
> user, has no permissions to do anything.
>
> Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no provisions 
> to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to me:me, do what 
> I have to do, and change it all back, difficult remember since parts of 
> it are owned by root:Lp
>
> So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself to 
> some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning whenever it 
> asked for a password, I changed the displayed username to me, and used 
> my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.
>
> But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into 
> to /etc/cupsd.conf, here
>
> # Restrict access to the admin pages...
> 
>   Order allow,deny
> 
>
> To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do to 
> fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid capable 
> brother and of course cups.pdf?
>

This has nothing to do with the apache2 error you mentioned earlier.

To do printer administration using the web interface, add yourself to
the lpadmin group.  When the web interface asks for credentials, put
your own username and password.

https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#webinterface

-- 
regards,
kushal

Re: buster VM does not always start sshd

[Darac Marjal]

On 04/05/2019 19:18, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
>> I've got a buster VM (upgraded from stretch) which does not launch
>> sshd (and Unbound) until a login attempt happens on a TTY.  (An
>> unsuccessful attempt appears to be enough.)
>>
>> At that point, both sshd and Unbound start successfully, and network
>> login is possible.  I don't think I have changed the service
>> configuration.  There is nothing unusual about the networking setup,
>> except that it doesn't use DHCP, and there is a static stanza in
>> /etc/network/interfaces, with a matching auto directive.
> The most likely cause is lack of randomness at boot. Check your boot
> messages for "crng init done". This is biting lots of people.
>
> If you're running a VM, look into how to share a random device from
> the host.
>
If you can't manage that, consider whether `haveged` provides
secure-enough entropy gathering for you.

Re: [x] quote me freely (Was: No Wifi Option)

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting rhkra...@gmail.com (2019-05-05 20:15:59)
> BTW: I'm thinking about borrowing part of your sig line, specifically 
> the
> 
> [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private
> 
> perhaps with a modification -- hmm, thinking out loud, I was going to 
> add "with attribution" to "quote me freely", but maybe that is implied 
> by the word "quote" -- I'll think about that ;-)


Happy that you find it useful!  Took me some time to refine.

Yes, my intention with "quote" was indeed to encourage credit.

...but only encourage, deliberately not require: That'd be licensing 
which I consider too heavy for my texts in general :-)


 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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Re: buster VM does not always start sshd

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Darac Marjal (2019-05-05 21:13:50)
> 
> On 04/05/2019 19:18, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
> >> I've got a buster VM (upgraded from stretch) which does not launch
> >> sshd (and Unbound) until a login attempt happens on a TTY.  (An
> >> unsuccessful attempt appears to be enough.)
> >>
> >> At that point, both sshd and Unbound start successfully, and network
> >> login is possible.  I don't think I have changed the service
> >> configuration.  There is nothing unusual about the networking setup,
> >> except that it doesn't use DHCP, and there is a static stanza in
> >> /etc/network/interfaces, with a matching auto directive.
> > The most likely cause is lack of randomness at boot. Check your boot
> > messages for "crng init done". This is biting lots of people.
> >
> > If you're running a VM, look into how to share a random device from
> > the host.
> >
> If you can't manage that, consider whether `haveged` provides
> secure-enough entropy gathering for you.

Or the newer alternative jitterentropy-rngd.

 - Jonas

-- 
 * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt
 * Tlf.: +45 40843136  Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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Re: [x] quote me freely (Was: No Wifi Option)

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 09:21:50PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting rhkra...@gmail.com (2019-05-05 20:15:59)
> > BTW: I'm thinking about borrowing part of your sig line, specifically 
> > the
> > 
> > [x] quote me freely  [ ] ask before reusing  [ ] keep private
> > 
> > perhaps with a modification -- hmm, thinking out loud, I was going to 
> > add "with attribution" to "quote me freely", but maybe that is implied 
> > by the word "quote" -- I'll think about that ;-)
> 
> 
> Happy that you find it useful!  Took me some time to refine.
> 
> Yes, my intention with "quote" was indeed to encourage credit.
> 
> ...but only encourage, deliberately not require: That'd be licensing 
> which I consider too heavy for my texts in general :-)
> 
You are obviously not a lawyer :-)

(I shall now run and hide.)

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Frank Scheiner]

On 5/5/19 12:08, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:



On May 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Rick Thomas  wrote:

What do you recommend instead?  The original file was 365KB.  The compressed 
file was 48KB.


Remove the irrelevant parts. But 365 kB isn’t too much anyway.


What's the (exact) size limit then on the list(s)?

And I actually never had issues with gzip compressed text files.

@Rick:

The file was “.zip” compressed on a Mac — not “.gz’ on a Linux.  Do you think 
that makes a difference?
Rick


Maybe just give it a try and compress the text file with gzip instead.

Cheers,
Frank

Installing Debian on iMac

[John Hammack]

 iMac:  iMac (24-inch, early 2009), Processor 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem 
8GB 1067 MHz DDR3,  OS X El Capitan ver 10.11.6. 
Objective: Install Debian and software development tools (compilers, 
interpreters, and support applications for software development.)  
Progress:  I have searched  the internet and have not found instructions I 
could follow through to completion.  
Experience:  Before retirement (1995) I was doing software development on a 
Hewlett Packard Unix System ((HPUX).  I was then comfortable with the Unix 
system, BASH and all.  
Excuse:  I am now living in The Villages FL and with all these old folks there 
is no one here with which I can discuss OS’s etc.

Comments recommendations appreciated.  


Thanks John 






I am 85 and have accumulated rust where brain cells used to be.  

Re: apache2 missing a file, won't run.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 May 2019 03:12:40 pm Kushal Kumaran wrote:

> Gene Heskett  writes:
> > On Sunday 05 May 2019 01:06:13 pm Ulf Volmer wrote:
> >> On 05.05.19 18:56, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > Stretch install, from a custom iso the LCNC folks are testing,
> >> > but the apache2 install was all pulled in with synaptic.  No
> >> > errors.
> >> >
> >> > As root;
> >> >
> >> > Service apache2 start, gets this from systemctl:
> >> >
> >> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
> >> > Server... May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: apache2:
> >> > Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax
> >> > error on line 1
> >> > of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: Cannot
> >> > load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so
> >> > May 05 12:49:20 coyote apachectl[20456]: Action 'start' failed.
> >>
> >> mod_authz_default.so has been removed in apache 2.4:
> >>
> >> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html
> >>
> >> I guess you are trying to run a 2.2 config with a 2.4 apache.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Ulf
> >
> > Now I am certifiably upset, this web page needs printed.  This is a
> > new install it took me 3 damned days just to get networking working
> > as it was stuck on ipv6 only, denying me net access to anything on
> > the otgher side of my router, and the nearest ipv6 support is a
> > minimum of 100 miles away. So I am not in a good mood.
> >
> > And the only printer it detected was the printer I wanted to use,
> > but it spit out about 50 pages of blank paper when I did. so I go
> > back into localhost:631 to printers/admin/brother HL-2140 and click
> > on modify to see if I can fix it, to be greeted by an advisory that
> > sys I as first user, has no permissions to do anything.
> >
> > Now, since much of this is owned by root:root, and theres no
> > provisions to use sud, what do I do except chown the whole subdir to
> > me:me, do what I have to do, and change it all back, difficult
> > remember since parts of it are owned by root:Lp
> >
> > So, and I fought with this problem in wheezy too but adding myself
> > to some selected entries in /etc/group half fixed it. Meaning
> > whenever it asked for a password, I changed the displayed username
> > to me, and used my passwd, which worked about 99% of the time.
> >
> > But this is 2019, and now stretch, so what do I add, or edit into
> > to /etc/cupsd.conf, here
> >
> > # Restrict access to the admin pages...
> > 
> >   Order allow,deny
> > 
> >
> > To get me, the first user (#1000) not root, to do what I need to do
> > to fix this and add about 4 other profiles, 3 for a huge tabloid
> > capable brother and of course cups.pdf?
>
> This has nothing to do with the apache2 error you mentioned earlier.
>
In a roundabout way it does. I blame it on the extremely excessive 
security paranoia that pervades the linux environment and gets worse by 
the next release every time.

> To do printer administration using the web interface, add yourself to
> the lpadmin group.  When the web interface asks for credentials, put
> your own username and password.

FYI I am a member of the lpadmin group. Whats next? reboot to make it 
take effect?  That involves restarting at least 20 other things this 
machine does on a 24/7/365.25 basis.  Not impossible but a bunch of 
drugery nonetheless. IOW since I am "it" till I fail to answer roll 
call, likely in the visible future since I'm already equipt with plastic 
yeys and a pacemaker and am presently 84 yo, lets swat this once and for 
all till then.

You have made it very clear not to assign a pw to root, do everything 
with sudo.  In which case lets make sudo work since its only used about 
20% of the time now. From the cli TBE. But we've been configuring cups 
from localhost:631 for well over 15 years now, no one wants to try and 
remember all the arcane text phrases used with lpadmin to configure 
anything as complex as even a 100 dollar brother b&w laser printer. I 
have all the brother drivers here for both printers, the other is a 
brother MFC-J6920DW, which is found 4 times by lpinfo -l -v. But it has 
both a usb cable and a net cable at its own ip.

> https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#webinterface

I have this page visible in FF right now, and its typical for linux docs, 
it makes the assumption that everyone has what I assume is a group of 
env vars so it doesn't waste a crossed t or a dot over a lowercase i to 
explain just who or what @LOCAL or @ADMIN or @SYSTEM or @OWNER actually 
is.

So lets define them so one can have an idea at least of who or what they 
represent.  Once they are properly defined, maybe I can put them to some 
usefull purpose. At the end of the day, I want them to Just Work.  So 
lets start with the denial even though I am a member of the lpadmin 
group.

Thank you.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web

Re: Can't install addons for firefox

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 05/05/2019 21:30, Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 10:52:56AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

Setting about:config / xpinstall.signatures.required to false fixed
extensions for me for firefox 66.0.1-1 amd64 on Debian sid and for Firefox
66.0.2 on Android. I needed to restart Firefox on Debian.

When I tried that yesterday, it allowed extensions to be reinstalled
(yes, I was one of those who tried to fix this problem by uninstalling
and reinstalling my extensions), but not all plugins actually worked in
this state.  Most notably, NoScript displayed no icon on the toolbar
(just a blank space with a tooltip) and did not appear to actually do
anything.  Its settings were also inaccessible, both through the
(missing) popup menu and via the list of installed add-ons (in which
case I got a blank grey page with an endless "loading" spinner
animation).
Based on this, it appears that xpinstall.signatures.required may be no
more than a partial solution.  (Although it's also possible that
something may have been broken in the uninstall/reinstall process.)


My prexisting NoScript installation works correctly after setting 
xpinstall.signatures.required to false, including Add On preferences 
page and toolbar icon. I did not uninstall/reinstall.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

re: can't install add-ons for firefox

[Jude DaShiell]

One thing that can happen with firefox is you can install webvisum on
firefox for windows but because webvisum supports no other operating
system you can't install webvisum on linux or android or an iphone even
though firefox works on all of those platforms.



--

Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[David]

On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 20:31, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> On Sun, 5 May 2019 03:13:46 -0700 Rick Thomas  wrote:
>
> >What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?
>
> Yes, it's available to all.  pastebin.com

Hi.

No, please don't use pastebin.com

I won't read anything posted to that site, and I doubt that I'm
the only person here with this view.

People here care about software freedom. So please don't
recommend (here) non-free software providers with their stupid
logins, cookies, tracking, terms-of-service, javascript requirements
and who knows or cares what else when we have a free-software
service written by a Debian developer that does exactly what is
needed without attempting to monetise its users.

For pastebin purposes within Debian, please use: https://paste.debian.net/

Re: Installing Debian on iMac

[Dan Ritter]

John Hammack wrote: 
>  iMac:  iMac (24-inch, early 2009), Processor 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem 
> 8GB 1067 MHz DDR3,  OS X El Capitan ver 10.11.6. 
> Objective: Install Debian and software development tools (compilers, 
> interpreters, and support applications for software development.)  
> Progress:  I have searched  the internet and have not found instructions I 
> could follow through to completion.  
> Experience:  Before retirement (1995) I was doing software development on a 
> Hewlett Packard Unix System ((HPUX).  I was then comfortable with the Unix 
> system, BASH and all.  
> Excuse:  I am now living in The Villages FL and with all these old folks 
> there is no one here with which I can discuss OS’s etc.


This shouldn't be hard. It's an Intel PC with an EFI boot
system. Installing from a Debian netinstall CD 

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso

should work pretty well. Directions in general at

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/

Feel free to ask more questions here, it's the right place.

-dsr-

Re: Can't install addons for firefox

[Dan Ritter]

Ross Boylan wrote: 
> Running firefox-esr on buster I don't seem to be able to install
> addons.  I tried selenium IDE and katalon.  Has Debian blocked the
> installation of addons?  I don't see indications of that in the docs
> or the net.
> 

No, Mozilla really screwed up. Every Firefox user has this
problem.

Try installing

https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi

And your problems should go away immediately. Upgrade your
browser later on.

-dsr-

Re: Installing Debian on iMac

[Rick Thomas]

Hi John, and welcome to the Debian community!

I assume you have a broadband Internet connection where you will be doing this 
installation?  If so:

You’ll want the Mac specific “netinst” installer image[1] that gets most of its 
software packages from the Debian mirrors on the Web.
   [1]  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/>

Take a look at this wiki page[2] for instructions on making a dual-boot 
MacOS/Debian setup.  The wiki page is aimed at the mac mini but it should 
mostly carry over for your iMac.  Also, you’ll want to read the wiki page[3] 
for burning an installer CD under MacOS.
   [2] https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel
   [3] https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-mac

And, of course, you’ll want to RTFM[4]
   [4] https://www.debian.org/doc/

If you’re not already signed up, you will want to join the debian-user mailing 
list[5].  That’s where you’ll find lots of friendly, helpful and knowledgeable 
folks.
   [5] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

Enjoy!
Rick


> On May 5, 2019, at 1:52 PM, John Hammack  wrote:
> 
> iMac:  iMac (24-inch, early 2009), Processor 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem 
> 8GB 1067 MHz DDR3,  OS X El Capitan ver 10.11.6. 
> Objective: Install Debian and software development tools (compilers, 
> interpreters, and support applications for software development.)  
> Progress:  I have searched  the internet and have not found instructions I 
> could follow through to completion.  
> Experience:  Before retirement (1995) I was doing software development on a 
> Hewlett Packard Unix System ((HPUX).  I was then comfortable with the Unix 
> system, BASH and all.  
> Excuse:  I am now living in The Villages FL and with all these old folks 
> there is no one here with which I can discuss OS’s etc.
> 
> Comments recommendations appreciated.  
> 
>   Thanks John 
> I am 85 and have accumulated rust where brain cells used to be.  

Re: List attachments

[Rick Thomas]

Thanks, Carl!  The free WordPress account sounds very interesting.  I’ll check 
it out.
Rick

> On May 5, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Carl Fink  wrote:
> 
> On 5/5/19 6:13 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> I used to have my own webserver, but the machine I was running it on died.
>> 
>> What is “pastebin”?  Is it available to everyone?
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> Rick
> 
> Places you can put stuff for others to see, besides Pastebin:
> 
> 1)Many ISP accounts give some free web space, e.g. Panix
> 
> 2)A free Google account allows document sharing. So does a free Microsoft
> account. Like them or hate them, most of us have one for convenience's sake.
> 
> 3)You can create a free WordPress account easily. Even if you only blog
> every decade or two, you get the ability to upload files and give them URLs.
> 
> 4)Plenty of others
> 
> -- 
> Carl Fink   nitpick...@nitpicking.com
> 
> Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
> 

Re: List attachments (was: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

[Rick Thomas]

> On May 5, 2019, at 4:26 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> For pastebin purposes within Debian, please use: https://paste.debian.net/

Thanks, David.  This sound like exactly what I need.
Rick

next amd64 stretch problem

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

I have only one, very weak sound, from kmails new mail beep.  Down about 
20 db from what I'm used to hearing.

Everything else is muted.  And I can't find the speaker-test utility in 
the repo's to even begin to troubleshoot, so whats the next step?

Thanks all;

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Installing Debian on iMac

[David]

On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 09:28, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> John Hammack wrote:
> >  iMac:  iMac (24-inch, early 2009), Processor 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 
> > Mem 8GB 1067 MHz DDR3,  OS X El Capitan ver 10.11.6.
> > Objective: Install Debian and software development tools (compilers, 
> > interpreters, and support applications for software development.)
> > Progress:  I have searched  the internet and have not found instructions I 
> > could follow through to completion.
> > Experience:  Before retirement (1995) I was doing software development on a 
> > Hewlett Packard Unix System ((HPUX).  I was then comfortable with the Unix 
> > system, BASH and all.
> > Excuse:  I am now living in The Villages FL and with all these old folks 
> > there is no one here with which I can discuss OS’s etc.
>
> This shouldn't be hard. It's an Intel PC with an EFI boot
> system. Installing from a Debian netinstall CD
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>
> should work pretty well. Directions in general at
>
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
>
> Feel free to ask more questions here, it's the right place.

Hi again John & welcome here

In addition, note that if your iMac supports booting off a USB drive, then
if you prefer to avoid using optical media you can copy the installation
"CD" image to a USB drive and boot from that, see here:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04.html.en

The "netininst" images are small images that use a working internet
connection to download packages to install during the install process.
There are other larger images you can use if such a network connection
is not available at install time.

Re: Can't install addons for firefox

[Carl Fink]

Being impatient and easily annoyed, I just installed Waterfox,
which works fine. Yes, I know about the theoretical security issues.

--
Carl Fink   nitpick...@nitpicking.com

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!

Re: next amd64 stretch problem

[David Wright]

On Sun 05 May 2019 at 21:04:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> I have only one, very weak sound, from kmails new mail beep.  Down about 
> 20 db from what I'm used to hearing.
> 
> Everything else is muted.  And I can't find the speaker-test utility in 
> the repo's to even begin to troubleshoot, so whats the next step?

$ apt-file find speaker-test
alsa-utils: /usr/bin/speaker-test
alsa-utils: /usr/share/alsa/speaker-test/sample_map.csv
alsa-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/speaker-test.1.gz
$ 

Cheers,
David.

"missing pubkey" for buster-security

[Harald Dunkel]

Hi folks,

I am running a local mirror of the security.debian.org
repository for in-house use. It seems to be available for
Buster as well, except that there is an error message

ERROR: Condition '7638D0442B90D010' not fulfilled for 
'/var/www/official/lists/buster-security_buster%2Fupdates_InRelease'.
Signatures in 
'/var/www/official/lists/buster-security_buster%2Fupdates_InRelease':
'9D6D8F6BC857C906' (signed 2019-05-03): missing pubkey
'AA8E81B4331F7F50' (signed 2019-05-03): missing pubkey
Error: Not enough signatures found for remote repository buster-security 
(http://security.debian.org buster/updates)!
There have been errors!


These keys are unknown on keyserver as well:

# apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 9D6D8F6BC857C906
Executing: /tmp/apt-key-gpghome.VRpQHhUEoX/gpg.1.sh --keyserver 
keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 9D6D8F6BC857C906
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0
# apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys AA8E81B4331F7F50
Executing: /tmp/apt-key-gpghome.HyHJegKO1w/gpg.1.sh --keyserver 
keyring.debian.org --recv-keys AA8E81B4331F7F50
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0


I understand that Buster is not released yet, but wouldn't you
agree that it is unusual to sign InRelease without sharing the
public key?


Every helpful comment is highly appreciated
Harri

Re: next amd64 stretch problem

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 May 2019 12:49:03 am David Wright wrote:

> On Sun 05 May 2019 at 21:04:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have only one, very weak sound, from kmails new mail beep.  Down
> > about 20 db from what I'm used to hearing.
> >
> > Everything else is muted.  And I can't find the speaker-test utility
> > in the repo's to even begin to troubleshoot, so whats the next step?
>
> $ apt-file find speaker-test
> alsa-utils: /usr/bin/speaker-test
> alsa-utils: /usr/share/alsa/speaker-test/sample_map.csv
> alsa-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/speaker-test.1.gz
> $
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Humm, strange.  It is installed, its in my $path and once found, works, 
without the path in front of the invocation, albeit quietly despite all 
the "knobs" being turned wide open. Ditto for FF, news stories now have 
audio.  Not loud enough for old ears, but there.  When I get some of the 
other stuff working again, I'll have to drag in my scope and see if its 
good at the mobo jacks. Wally's choice of pc speakers is $20, or $250 
for your tv, and the $20 ones need all the electrolytic's replaced about 
annually.  BTDT once since I couldn't buy a better set. These are about 
due again I suppose.

Thank you, David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: "missing pubkey" for buster-security

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Harald Dunkel writes:
> I am running a local mirror of the security.debian.org
> repository for in-house use. It seems to be available for
> Buster as well, except that there is an error message
>
> ERROR: Condition '7638D0442B90D010' not fulfilled for
> '/var/www/official/lists/buster-security_buster%2Fupdates_InRelease'.
> Signatures in 
> '/var/www/official/lists/buster-security_buster%2Fupdates_InRelease':
> '9D6D8F6BC857C906' (signed 2019-05-03): missing pubkey
> 'AA8E81B4331F7F50' (signed 2019-05-03): missing pubkey
> Error: Not enough signatures found for remote repository
> buster-security (http://security.debian.org buster/updates)!
> There have been errors!

These keys are already in the debian-archive-keyring package (in
testing/unstable):

+---
| $ gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring 
/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --list-keys 7638D0442B90D010 
9D6D8F6BC857C906 AA8E81B4331F7F50
| pub   rsa4096 2014-11-21 [SC] [expires: 2022-11-19]
|   126C0D24BD8A2942CC7DF8AC7638D0442B90D010
| uid   [  full  ] Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (8/jessie) 

|
| pub   rsa4096 2014-11-21 [SC] [expires: 2022-11-19]
|   D21169141CECD440F2EB8DDA9D6D8F6BC857C906
| uid   [  full  ] Debian Security Archive Automatic Signing Key 
(8/jessie) 
|
| pub   rsa4096 2017-05-22 [SC] [expires: 2025-05-20]
|   6ED6F5CB5FA6FB2F460AE88EEDA0D2388AE22BA9
| uid   [  full  ] Debian Security Archive Automatic Signing Key 
(9/stretch) 
| sub   rsa4096 2017-05-22 [S] [expires: 2025-05-20]
|   379483D8B60160B155B372DDAA8E81B4331F7F50
+---

Your condition requires the security archive to be signed with the
main archive key; that is wrong.

The 9/stretch keys are fairly new and were announced in [1].

  [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/04/msg8.html

> These keys are unknown on keyserver as well:
>
> # apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 9D6D8F6BC857C906

keyring.d.o only has developer keys, not any of the other keys Debian
might be using.  I recommend getting them either from the
debian-archive-keyring package or the locations referred to in the
announcement; they should also be available on other keyservers.

I would also recommend using the full fingerprint instead of shorter keyids.

Ansgar