Re: trying to install Debian encrypted in an existed partition, keeping the rest as it is ...

[Albretch Mueller]

On 1/31/19, David Wright  wrote:
>>  If for whatever reason you disown that computer, you would just
>> delete that partition. Your own data you will keep on a USB pen or
>> microdrive.
>
> Something like that. I'd run badblocks over the unencrypted partitions.
>

 Why? Do you mean the low level formatting on an encrypted drive
physically messes with it?

If you start the Debian installation Live DVD and remove that
partition using parted. Would the BIOS, file system utilities under
Windows not see and handle the deleted partition just as extra space?

 This is of crucial importance because you don’t own those computers
at work. Your supervisors, "tech support" would not mind you bending
the rules a bit as long as you safely reset them back to their initial
state when you disown them.

 lbrtchx

On 1/31/19, David Wright  wrote:
> On Wed 30 Jan 2019 at 00:30:40 (-0500), Albretch Mueller wrote:
>>  use case:
>>
>>  Say, you have a computer preinstalled with Windows, on which you
>> would like to install a Debian Linux base. You would:
>>
>>  1) resize the larger, Windows proper (/dev/sda3) partition
>
> Yes, the largest partition (/dev/sda5 here) was the one containing all
> the user data. I shrank it in stages:
> a) free up space by removing redundant files, emptying the trash etc.
> b) defrag and optimise the disk.
> c) shrink the volume.
> d) create a partition in the freed space.
> e) copy files onto the new partition.
> f) remove said files.
> g) try again.
> h) set No Protection, then delete Checkpoints.
> i) copy said files back.
> j) shrink more.
> k) remove partition created at (d).
> l) create 5 partitions as required, filling free space.
> m) set size, assign no drive letter, exFAT or FAT as offered.
> n) label them for unambiguous identification.
> o) boot linux and run gdisk to reestablish the 5 partitions' properties.
>
> I create 5 partitions for /, backup / (I always carry a spare),
> /home, BIOS boot, and Swap. NB: BIOS boot is not /boot; it's empty.
>
>>  2) install Linux encrypted in the created space,
>
> One reason I'm not more help is that I install linux unencrypted in /,
> create an encrypted partition for future /home, copy the directories
> from current /home to future /home (basically the /etc/skel files)
> and make the necessary adjustments to /etc/fstab and crypttab to
> mount future /home over current /home when rebooted.
>
>> with
>>  3) what you need to start it up (the /root partition) on a pen drive
>
> I've used the option of selecting the OS to run by using Legacy BIOS
> booting for linux and the preinstalled EFI booting for Windows.
> So, apart from the creation of the 5 "untouchable" partitions,
> and being told that the RTC is running on UTC, Windows knows nothing
> about the linux system's presence.
>
>>  So, other people may be able to use that box just fine under Windows
>> and you would do your thing.
>
> Yes, in my case they just have to know to press the small button on
> the side instead of the power button, and then select the top item
> from this menu (as I leave BIOS as the default):
>
> Normal Startup ← Windows
> BIOS Setup ← linux
> Boot Menu
> System recovery
>
>>  If for whatever reason you disown that computer, you would just
>> delete that partition. Your own data you will keep on a USB pen or
>> microdrive.
>
> Something like that. I'd run badblocks over the unencrypted partitions.
>
>>  Any step by step procedures?
>
> Modify anything above to taste.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
> 
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
> 
> You might need to install other software to open this address.

Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
page's URL.

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> 
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.

I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
similar.

Re: Trashcan Icon Naming

[Paul Sutton]

On 04/02/2019 13:24, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-02-04,   wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 01:09:33PM -, Curt wrote:
>>> To obviate all ambiguity I'm for calling this rubbish.
>> Isn't that something for locali[sz]ation?
> Depends what you're calling rubbish.
>
I agree, localization is also applicable here,  but it also about user
experience.  Sounds like there could be a consensus that the naming
remains consistent.

Could be interesting as to how to do this depending on where you are, 
different languages (French, German, Arabic), I can see it being easier
but English, you would, I assume need to compile it for that location.

Paul



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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:55:32AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> > 
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
> 
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.

This sounds compelling, but... I'm here the one always disabling
Javascript by default and I haven't seen this strange message.
Ever. So... hmmm.

OTOH Web browsers are known to be non-deterministic, so there you
go ;-)

Cheers
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Re: Trashcan Icon Naming

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:05:30AM +, Paul Sutton wrote:

> Could be interesting as to how to do this depending on where you are, 
> different languages (French, German, Arabic), I can see it being easier
> but English, you would, I assume need to compile it for that location.

That's what localization is for. That's why there isn't just English,
but en_US, en_GB, en_AU and so on. Go have a look into your machine's
directory /usr/share/locale and marvel at how much thought has gone
into that ;-D

Another recommended resoure is, as always, your trusty (and sometimes
unfairly maligned) Wikipedia:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization

Cheers
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 04:59:58 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The address wasn’t understood
> >
> > Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the
> > following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program
> > or is not allowed in this context.
> >
> > You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
>
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.
>
http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

In the fwiw category, midori worked, but thats about all it could do, 
very crashy on most sites.

> Cheers
> -- tomás


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:

> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> >
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
>
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.
I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[didier gaumet]

Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Hello Gene,

- Java and Javascript are different things
- If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it partially
or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including Javascript
- Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the Wheezy repos?
Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
>
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
>
> You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> I am on the states unclaimed property site, entering a name. clicking on 
> the Search button gets the above quoted response.
>
> Thanks everybody.  
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


 about:config

 network.protocol-handler.external.javascript ---> set to false (default)
 javascript.enabled ---> set to true (default)

If you haven't fiddled with those values, of course (user set), there
should be nothing to do and it's back to the drawing board, I guess.

Re: Adding/modifying users under MATE DE

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 08:21:40PM -0700, Thomas D Dial wrote:
> When in doubt about questions like this it often is helpful to consult
> man pages, which often are available on the Web if you don't want to
> install the necessary packages that includes them. In this case, if sudo
> is installed, the man page for sudo also will be there, probably along
> with those for sudoers and visudo, although I could be wrong about the
> last.

The sudoers(5) man page is ridiculously complex, as is the format of
the /etc/sudoers file.  For 99% of Debian users, it's also completely
unnecessary to know it.  Just make sure your primary user account is in
the sudo group, and you will be able to run ANY command with sudo, being
prompted for your password if you haven't used sudo on that terminal
in the last few minutes.

You only need to learn this incredibly byzantine file syntax if you want
to do something fancier than that.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:

> Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Hello Gene,
>
> - Java and Javascript are different things

I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

> - If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it
> partially or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including
> Javascript - Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the
> Wheezy repos? Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Wheezy repos. And it is old. Too many missing depends for a later 
version. I reinstalled a lot of stuff including the browsers, might be a 
little better this morning, the news videos aren't stalling as badly.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:00:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

[...]

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

As didier said, it's "javascript", not "java". A confusion which
is understandable in view of the similar names -- the similarity
is a marketing stunt by Netscape mid-90s for which we're still
paying through the nose :-(

By the way, you won't see anything javascript in your about:config,
you'll have to go to about:preferences and suffer a lecture by
your browser that you -- horrors! -- might be about breaking
something or that your cat might enter some Schrödinger state or
what not. Courtesy of the ever more rampant  infantilization of
browser user interfaces (or of software user interfaces in general).

The Wikipedia page on Javascript is recommended reading.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:39:52AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:
[...]

> > - Java and Javascript are different things
> 
> I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

That's what happens when mails cross in-flight ;-D

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Adding/modifying users under MATE DE

[David Wright]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 08:21:16 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 08:21:40PM -0700, Thomas D Dial wrote:
> > When in doubt about questions like this it often is helpful to consult
> > man pages, which often are available on the Web if you don't want to
> > install the necessary packages that includes them. In this case, if sudo
> > is installed, the man page for sudo also will be there, probably along
> > with those for sudoers and visudo, although I could be wrong about the
> > last.
> 
> The sudoers(5) man page is ridiculously complex, as is the format of
> the /etc/sudoers file.  For 99% of Debian users, it's also completely
> unnecessary to know it.  Just make sure your primary user account is in
> the sudo group, and you will be able to run ANY command with sudo, being
> prompted for your password if you haven't used sudo on that terminal
> in the last few minutes.

Sure, but what's the difference between that and opening an xterm with
(the overspecified)   /bin/su -   where you don't have to keep typing
a password every few minutes.

> You only need to learn this incredibly byzantine file syntax if you want
> to do something fancier than that.

Or you just copy an example, making your own substitutions. (That's
how I learned English on my mother's knee.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
>
> It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> >
> > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- t
> You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
China? North Korea?

Hmmm.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Adding/modifying users under MATE DE

[Dan Ritter]

David Wright wrote: 
> On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 08:21:16 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 08:21:40PM -0700, Thomas D Dial wrote:
> > > When in doubt about questions like this it often is helpful to consult
> > > man pages, which often are available on the Web if you don't want to
> > > install the necessary packages that includes them. In this case, if sudo
> > > is installed, the man page for sudo also will be there, probably along
> > > with those for sudoers and visudo, although I could be wrong about the
> > > last.
> > 
> > The sudoers(5) man page is ridiculously complex, as is the format of
> > the /etc/sudoers file.  For 99% of Debian users, it's also completely
> > unnecessary to know it.  Just make sure your primary user account is in
> > the sudo group, and you will be able to run ANY command with sudo, being
> > prompted for your password if you haven't used sudo on that terminal
> > in the last few minutes.
> 
> Sure, but what's the difference between that and opening an xterm with
> (the overspecified)   /bin/su -   where you don't have to keep typing
> a password every few minutes.

sudo doesn't require you to know the root password, only your
own password. So if you share sysadmin duties with a team of
people, none of them need to know the root password (which can
be set to something very long, written down, put in a safe
deposit box, and not thought about again until your calendar
reminds you to double check it). 

sudo also allows you to grant certain users the right to run specific
commands with the privileges of other users, again verifying themselves
with their own passwords. Say you have some software which must
be run as a particular user, but you want several people to be
able to use it. Don't give them the special user's password;
give them all the right to run it via sudo, and don't give them
other privileges.

If it's a single-user machine, you can just remember the root
password and use su -- unless you use sudo at work, in which
case, keep using sudo everywhere.

-dsr-

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> > I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
> 
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

Reco

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>   Hi.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > China? North Korea?
> 
> Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

;-P

But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.

Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

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shell script problem

[ghe]

Buster

A shell script has begun to throw errors I can't seem to get rid of.
Didn't used to -- it started in the past few days.

I have access to a couple Internet connections: a slow but extremely
reliable T1 I've been with for years, and a Comcast residential cable
WiFi that's odd, but very fast. There are 2 Ethernet ports on the box.

I wrote a shell script for the frequent and large Buster updates, etc.
that brings up the Comcast WiFi, makes changes in the DHCP info,
modifies the routing table so the mirrors in the sources list are routed
through Comcast, and fires off aptitude.

The problem is that toward the end of bring up Comcast, I get a message
from systemd saying '-.mount is masked'. The systemd man pages say there
is indeed something called -.mount and that being masked will kill any
process encountering a masked something. The message says it's going to
quit the script.

Then it goes on with the script, and as best I can tell, finishes properly.

The man pages say there is a way to unmask things (I can't remember what
it is). When I run the command, I'm told that the parameter is wrong (it
doesn't like the '-', understandable). I put it in quotes, same thing. I
try it with something else masked in the list, and it comes back with
the expected *nix response when all is well (nothing). But when I look
at the list again, it's still masked.

What's going on? What does 'masked' mean? What is '-.mount'? Should I
just ignore the error message? Can I ignore any systemd error message?

-- 
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,

>But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly

I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.

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Re: shell script problem

[john doe]

On 2/5/2019 4:43 PM, ghe wrote:
> Buster
>
> A shell script has begun to throw errors I can't seem to get rid of.
> Didn't used to -- it started in the past few days.
>
> I have access to a couple Internet connections: a slow but extremely
> reliable T1 I've been with for years, and a Comcast residential cable
> WiFi that's odd, but very fast. There are 2 Ethernet ports on the box.
>
> I wrote a shell script for the frequent and large Buster updates, etc.
> that brings up the Comcast WiFi, makes changes in the DHCP info,
> modifies the routing table so the mirrors in the sources list are routed
> through Comcast, and fires off aptitude.
>
> The problem is that toward the end of bring up Comcast, I get a message
> from systemd saying '-.mount is masked'. The systemd man pages say there
> is indeed something called -.mount and that being masked will kill any
> process encountering a masked something. The message says it's going to
> quit the script.
>

What message?

> Then it goes on with the script, and as best I can tell, finishes properly.
>
> The man pages say there is a way to unmask things (I can't remember what

$systemctl unmask 

> it is). When I run the command, I'm told that the parameter is wrong (it

Which cmd?

> doesn't like the '-', understandable). I put it in quotes, same thing. I
> try it with something else masked in the list, and it comes back with
> the expected *nix response when all is well (nothing). But when I look
> at the list again, it's still masked.
>
> What's going on? What does 'masked' mean? What is '-.mount'? Should I
> just ignore the error message? Can I ignore any systemd error message?
>

- What's going on -- can't say without seeing the script in question and
the error message you're getting.


In general, ignoring error messages is a recipe for disaster.

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 04:06:12PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> 
> >But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> 
> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> it's probably not a GDPR issue.

Or just lacking geographical knowledge among the web devels (or their
legal department).

Yeah. I'm having one of those days :-(

Cheers, anyway ;-)
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Re: trying to install Debian encrypted in an existed partition, keeping the rest as it is ...

[David Wright]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 04:42:02 (-0500), Albretch Mueller wrote:
> On 1/31/19, David Wright  wrote:
> >>  If for whatever reason you disown that computer, you would just
> >> delete that partition. Your own data you will keep on a USB pen or
> >> microdrive.
> >
> > Something like that. I'd run badblocks over the unencrypted partitions.
> >
> 
>  Why? Do you mean the low level formatting on an encrypted drive
> physically messes with it?

If by "low level formatting" you mean what manufacturers do, certainly not.

No, I'm just shredding any unencrypted partitions that are in the
"created space" (your item 2). Sorry if that wasn't clear.

> If you start the Debian installation Live DVD and remove that
> partition using parted. Would the BIOS, file system utilities under
> Windows not see and handle the deleted partition just as extra space?

I assume so. I've not done it, but I would think that you could regrow
the filesystem that you shrank at the start.

>  This is of crucial importance because you don’t own those computers
> at work. Your supervisors, "tech support" would not mind you bending
> the rules a bit as long as you safely reset them back to their initial
> state when you disown them.

In my own circumstances, there are two scenarios, and the recipe
I posted was for the first. Here, the Debian installation is
permanent, but the preinstalled Windows must continue to function
without any interruption in availability. Being a laptop, the
options are a bit more limited.

The other scenario is for conventional PCs, and there are many
options depending on the loan. Sometimes the safest option would
to remove the drive and use your own for the duration. In my case,
the only reason the equipment hasn't been disposed of is the
stunning bureaucracy involved. Running the installed OS on a network
would be irresponsible, so there's no point in preserving it.

(BTW disposal would involve either three passes of badblocks
or total destruction of the drive.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Adding/modifying users under MATE DE

[David Wright]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 09:54:43 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> David Wright wrote: 
> > On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 08:21:16 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 08:21:40PM -0700, Thomas D Dial wrote:
> > > > When in doubt about questions like this it often is helpful to consult
> > > > man pages, which often are available on the Web if you don't want to
> > > > install the necessary packages that includes them. In this case, if sudo
> > > > is installed, the man page for sudo also will be there, probably along
> > > > with those for sudoers and visudo, although I could be wrong about the
> > > > last.
> > > 
> > > The sudoers(5) man page is ridiculously complex, as is the format of
> > > the /etc/sudoers file.  For 99% of Debian users, it's also completely
> > > unnecessary to know it.  Just make sure your primary user account is in
> > > the sudo group, and you will be able to run ANY command with sudo, being
> > > prompted for your password if you haven't used sudo on that terminal
> > > in the last few minutes.
> > 
> > Sure, but what's the difference between that and opening an xterm with
> > (the overspecified)   /bin/su -   where you don't have to keep typing
> > a password every few minutes.
> 
> sudo doesn't require you to know the root password, only your
> own password. So if you share sysadmin duties with a team of
> people, none of them need to know the root password (which can
> be set to something very long, written down, put in a safe
> deposit box, and not thought about again until your calendar
> reminds you to double check it). 
> 
> sudo also allows you to grant certain users the right to run specific
> commands with the privileges of other users, again verifying themselves
> with their own passwords. Say you have some software which must
> be run as a particular user, but you want several people to be
> able to use it. Don't give them the special user's password;
> give them all the right to run it via sudo, and don't give them
> other privileges.

Yes, that's why I went to the trouble of posting some lines from my
sudoers file so that it can be painlessly used in that way. For
well contrained commands (like checking the email outbound queue),
you don't even want to have to type any password. With sudoers it's
easy to allow yourself free access to a command but only if certain
switches are present. For example you might allow
$ sudo /sbin/gdisk -l /dev/sd?
but require a wake-up call to use gdisk unfettered. It's not
necessarily about knowing or not knowing the root password, but
protecting yourself against doing damage when you're lazy or tired.

> If it's a single-user machine, you can just remember the root
> password and use su -- unless you use sudo at work, in which
> case, keep using sudo everywhere.

I know we've debated here who and who isn't a sysadmin, but I'm
assuming Greg's 99% aren't all sysadmins in a working environment.

Cheers,
David.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Elmo]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:


On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,


But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly


I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.




ditto from Madrid, Spain.

fjd

Re: shell script problem

[ghe]

On 2/5/19 9:19 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Have you tried replacing "-" with \45 yet?  That's the ascii equivalent
> for "-'.

Excellent idea. But:

root@sbox:~# systemctl unmask \45.mount
Unit 45.mount does not exist, proceeding anyway.

(Same with quotes.)

-- 
Glenn English

Re: shell script problem

[john doe]

On 2/5/2019 7:17 PM, ghe wrote:
> On 2/5/19 9:19 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
>> Have you tried replacing "-" with \45 yet?  That's the ascii equivalent
>> for "-'.
>
> Excellent idea. But:
>
> root@sbox:~# systemctl unmask \45.mount
> Unit 45.mount does not exist, proceeding anyway.
>
> (Same with quotes.)
>

$ systemctl status -- -.mount

--
John Doe

Re: shell script problem

[ghe]

On 2/5/19 9:12 AM, john doe wrote:

> What message
Never mind. It quit complaining. No changes to the scripts. Maybe a
systemd update -- there are several updates to lots of code with testing.

Thanks for the responses.

> In general, ignoring error messages is a recipe for disaster.

You'd think so. Usually, though, they aren't just kidding...

I'd still like to know what 'mask' means in systemd. And what a
'-.mount' is.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: shell script problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:51:42AM -0700, ghe wrote:
> I'd still like to know what 'mask' means in systemd.

>From man systemctl:

   mask NAME...
   Mask one or more units, as specified on the command line. This will
   link these unit files to /dev/null, making it impossible to start
   them. This is a stronger version of disable, since it prohibits all
   kinds of activation of the unit, including enablement and manual
   activation. Use this option with care. This honors the --runtime
   option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the
   system. The --now option may be used to ensure that the units are
   also stopped. This command expects valid unit names only, it does
   not accept unit file paths.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
>>
>>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
>>
>> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
>> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
>>
>>
>
> ditto from Madrid, Spain.

No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
and circles and fiddles.

So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).


> fjd
>
>


-- 

When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you
climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark

Re: shell script problem

[Jude DaShiell]

Okay so "-" isn't a systemd unit name.  At this point, you might do well
to examine dmesg.  Check for fatals errors and warnings and see if any
interesting material turns up.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, ghe wrote:

> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 13:17:49
> From: ghe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: shell script problem
> Resent-Date: Tue,  5 Feb 2019 18:18:34 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 2/5/19 9:19 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Have you tried replacing "-" with \45 yet?  That's the ascii equivalent
> > for "-'.
>
> Excellent idea. But:
>
> root@sbox:~# systemctl unmask \45.mount
> Unit 45.mount does not exist, proceeding anyway.
>
> (Same with quotes.)
>
>

-- 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brian]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 19:03:15 -, Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
> 
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.

Research has shown that ducks have a much greater appreciation of the
space-time continuum than crows. Maybe that comes from living for part
of the time in a medium more susceptible to gravity.

> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
> returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
> property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).

Not a valid test. You didn't use a clapped out version of Debian.

-- 
Brian.

Realtek RTL8188CUS wireless usb stick on Stretch

[James Allsopp]

Hi,
I'm having lots of problems getting this usb wireless dongle (Edimax) to
pick up and connect to a wireless network. I'm not sure if there's a config
from an older wireless  getting in the way. The hardware for that isn't
installed anymore.

I'm running network manager in KDE

It's detected by lsusb
Bus 002 Device 005: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un
802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]

I installed the realtek firmware;
apt-get install firmware-realtek

The drivers seem loaded correctly (from lsmod)
rtl8192cu  69632  0
pcspkr 16384  0
rtl_usb20480  1 rtl8192cu
rtl8192c_common53248  1 rtl8192cu
rtlwifi77824  3 rtl_usb,rtl8192c_common,rtl8192cu
mac80211  671744  3 rtl_usb,rtlwifi,rtl8192cu
snd_usb_audio 180224  2
snd_usbmidi_lib28672  1 snd_usb_audio
cfg80211  589824  2 mac80211,rtlwifi

The widget can detect different AP's (I used a test one from my phone to
confirm this), I see the one I want to connect to, but when I click on it,
it just goes to "configuring interface" and then I get a disconnect notice,
"wifi network could not be found". I've turned off the security on my phone
ap to test and this made no difference.

Can you point me in the general direction of how to start sorting this out?
Thanks
James

ModSecurity-apache for Debian

[Dale Harris]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a plan to package
ModSecurity-apache for v3 for modsecurity?  This would be presumably
be a replacement for libapache2-mod-security2, which is based on
modsecurity v2.

https://github.com/SpiderLabs/ModSecurity-apache

There is libmodsecurity3 and libmodsecurity-dev, at least in sid,
which is all v3, so seems like the groundwork is done.

-- 
Dale Harris
rod...@maybe.org
rod...@gmail.com
/.-)

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Yes just tried

 whois wvsto.com

and accessible from here Europe.
I don't think one would block this site

Re: shell script problem

[ghe]

On 2/5/19 12:01 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

>>From man systemctl:
> 
>mask NAME...
>Mask one or more units, as specified on the command line. This will
>link these unit files to /dev/null, making it impossible to start
>them. This is a stronger version of disable, since it prohibits all
>kinds of activation of the unit, including enablement and manual
>activation. Use this option with care. This honors the --runtime
>option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the
>system. The --now option may be used to ensure that the units are
>also stopped. This command expects valid unit names only, it does
>not accept unit file paths.

Yeah, I saw that. So mask is stronger that whatever disable is. And it
'prohibits all kinds of activation of the unit' -- but it, apparently,
encountered a masked unit, notified me, them just went on with the
script. I've seen error messages saying ' but going
on anyway'. Nothing like that in this case, but it did go on anyway.
Apparently.

This adventure has made me believe that systemd was a massive effort.
But also that there are some areas where it could still use a little work.

I still think that that massive effort might have been better spent
fixing init. Handling threads, tightening some methods and regulations,
tidying up init.d and its buds, enabling startups in PERL, Python, Ruby,
C, Java, etc. -- things legible and debuggable. Maybe even shell, if
you're into a syntax from the late 1940s...

-- 
Glenn English

Re: shell script problem

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 02:00:12PM -0700, ghe wrote:
> I still think that that massive effort might have been better spent
> fixing init. Handling threads, tightening some methods and regulations,
> tidying up init.d and its buds, [...]

Start here: https://jdebp.eu/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html

Re: shell script problem

[ghe]

On 2/5/19 2:05 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

>> I still think that that massive effort might have been better spent
>> fixing init. Handling threads, tightening some methods and regulations,
>> tidying up init.d and its buds, [...]
> 
> Start here: https://jdebp.eu/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html

Yup. The init startups and such were, indeed, at best bent. So fix them.
There's something to be said for sticking with Thompson and Ritchie's
thoughts when developing *nix. They were smart, thoughtful guys.

-- 
Glenn English

Package dependancies.

[peter]

Any ideas about this? 

root@imager:/etc/apt# apt-get install aptitude
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 aptitude : Depends: aptitude-common (= 0.6.11-1) but 0.8.7-1 is to be installed
Depends: libcwidget3 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.2.0) but it is not going to be 
installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

root@imager:/etc/apt# ls -ld preferences
ls: cannot access 'preferences': No such file or directory
root@imager:/etc/apt# ls -ld preferences.d/*
ls: cannot access 'preferences.d/*': No such file or directory

No evidence of a hold there.

Thanks,... Peter E.

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Re: Package dependancies.

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:42:41 -0800
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:

> Any ideas about this? 
> 
> root@imager:/etc/apt# apt-get install aptitude
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree   
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  aptitude : Depends: aptitude-common (= 0.6.11-1) but 0.8.7-1 is to be
> installed

0.8.7 is the version from Stretch, 0.6.11 the version from Jessie.

So the question arises, what are the contents of your sources.list
file(s)? Did you change anything about these recently? Did you try to do 
'apt-get update' first and then try to install aptitude again?


Regards

Michael



.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

[War] is instinctive.  But the instinct can be fought.  We're human
beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands!  But we
can stop it.  We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going
to kill today.  That's all it takes!  Knowing that we're not going to
kill today!
-- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.0

Re: Realtek RTL8188CUS wireless usb stick on Stretch

[Matthew Crews]

On Tue, 2019-02-05 at 20:32 +, James Allsopp wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm having lots of problems getting this usb wireless dongle (Edimax)
> to pick up and connect to a wireless network. I'm not sure if there's
> a config from an older wireless  getting in the way. The hardware for
> that isn't installed anymore.
> 
> I'm running network manager in KDE
> 
> It's detected by lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 
> 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
> 
> I installed the realtek firmware;
> apt-get install firmware-realtek
> 
> The drivers seem loaded correctly (from lsmod)
> rtl8192cu  69632  0
> pcspkr 16384  0
> rtl_usb20480  1 rtl8192cu
> rtl8192c_common53248  1 rtl8192cu
> rtlwifi77824  3 rtl_usb,rtl8192c_common,rtl8192cu
> mac80211  671744  3 rtl_usb,rtlwifi,rtl8192cu
> snd_usb_audio 180224  2
> snd_usbmidi_lib28672  1 snd_usb_audio
> cfg80211  589824  2 mac80211,rtlwifi
> 
> The widget can detect different AP's (I used a test one from my phone
> to confirm this), I see the one I want to connect to, but when I
> click on it, it just goes to "configuring interface" and then I get a
> disconnect notice, "wifi network could not be found". I've turned off
> the security on my phone ap to test and this made no difference. 
> 
> Can you point me in the general direction of how to start sorting
> this out?
> Thanks
> James
> 

Try adding this to /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf


[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no


Then restart NetworkManager:

# systemctl restart NetworkManager



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Re: Warnings from gvim

[Richard Hector]

On 5/02/19 1:55 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
> I've just started getting a bunch of warnings when I start gvim from the
> commandline (as I often do):
> 
> ** (gvim:31818): WARNING **: AT-SPI: Could not obtain desktop path or name
> ** (gvim:31818): WARNING **: atk-bridge: get_device_events_reply:
> unknown signature
> ** (gvim:31818): WARNING **: atk-bridge: GetRegisteredEvents returned
> message with unknown signature

Looks like this has gone away. Maybe one of those 'upgraded but not
rebooted' issues.

Richard



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Re: Package dependancies.

[peter]

*   From: Michael Lange 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 09:41:30 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> >
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked,
> > although I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
>
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?
>
> Hmmm.

Since that office is John Perdues domain, it may be one of his firewall 
rules.  But thats just a SWAG, Tomas. But it makes more sense than any 
of the other WAG's I can dream up.

> Cheers
> -- t
Take care, Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 14:03:15 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
>
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.
>
> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my
> search returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any
> unclaimed property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test
> case).
>
> > fjd

Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of 
gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here 
late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And 
by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1 
$7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to 
claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on 
Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a 
little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Adding/modifying users under MATE DE

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, February 05, 2019 08:21:16 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The sudoers(5) man page is ridiculously complex, as is the format of
> the /etc/sudoers file.  For 99% of Debian users, it's also completely
> unnecessary to know it.  Just make sure your primary user account is in
> the sudo group, and you will be able to run ANY command with sudo, being
> prompted for your password if you haven't used sudo on that terminal
> in the last few minutes.

I'm not the OP, but speaking for the 99%, thank you very much!

> 
> You only need to learn this incredibly byzantine file syntax if you want
> to do something fancier than that.

Re: shell script problem

[John Crawley]

On 06/02/2019 03.17, ghe wrote:

On 2/5/19 9:19 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Have you tried replacing "-" with \45 yet?  That's the ascii equivalent
for "-'.


Excellent idea. But:

root@sbox:~# systemctl unmask \45.mount
Unit 45.mount does not exist, proceeding anyway.

(Same with quotes.)


You might try
root@sbox:~# systemctl unmask $'\45'.mount
Just a thought.
--
John

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Ken Heard]

On 26/01/19 03:06 AM, Celejar wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:24:56 -0800
"James H. H. Lampert"  wrote:


Fellow List members:

Would anybody care to voice an opinion on USB external hard drives in
the 2 terabyte size range, for automated backup purposes?

We've been looking at the Seagate "Expansion" and the WD "Elements";
I've noticed that on Amazon, both have a fair number of negative reviews
citing reliability issues. (We recently discovered that our current
Seagate had apparently failed on us.)

Any opinions? Seagate? WD? Toshiba? Something else?


I so far am not having any trouble with something called "Seagate Backup 
Plus Portable Drive" -- "product of China (HDD), assembled in Thailand" 
as proudly proclaimed on the cases. These two I purchased in Thailand 
and am using them there. The spec sheet claims that they work with both 
USB 2.0 and 3.0, but likely with a lower transmission speed with 2.0. I 
am using them only on 3.0, not having tried either on 2.0.(1)


They are usable 'right out of the box' with Mac computers and also with 
Micro$oft, complete with built-in 'hardware' encryption if you choose to 
use it.  I of course chose not to use any of it and so reformatted both 
with ext4 and luks encryption.


They also come with a 'limited' three year warranty. I have only had 
them for a year; so far I have had no need to test those 'limitations'. 
Finally they come in six decorator colours, light and dark blue, red, 
gold, silver and black, useful to tell them apart if you have more than 
one.  I stuck to black for both of them as I have another way to tell 
them apart -- relative depth.


The height,width and depth of the 1 TB model are respectively 114, 77 
and 11 mm.  The height and width of the 4 TB model are the same; the 
depth however is 20 mm.  In view of the height and width the 
electro-mechanical drives used in these drive must be the 63.5 mm size. 
In view of the depth difference I suspect that there is one such drive 
in the

1 TB model, but two such drives in the 4 TB model.  Besides
the 1 and 4 TB models, also available are 2 and 5 TB models.

(1) https://www.seagate.com/as/en/consumer/backup/backup-plus/

Ken