Re: system stops

[Paul Sutton]

On 28/01/2019 00:55, David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/27/19 12:11 PM, BELAHCENE Abdelkader wrote:
>> Sometimes (maybe often) when I leave the system for a times without
>> touching it, when I come back, the system is frozen , juste the
>> pointer of
>> mouse can move, but nothing else,  keyboard doesn't respond,  even
>> ctrl+alt+F1 , or F2,  ...
>> So the only  thing todo is stop button.
>
> Install the package:
>
>     openssh-server
>
>
> Configure your host and/or network so that you can log in over the
> network.
>
>
> David


Holding alt-sysrq (print screen key usually) and then typing RSEIUB may
also restart the system but cleanly as in unmounting file systems etc. 
however I agree with the above option too. 


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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[Curt]

On 2019-01-28, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Just another aside: One of my takes on lawyers is that they interpret laws
>> and take legal positions for various reasons, often to further their own
>> or their client's interests, and then are willing to fight the legal
>> battle that may ensue.  A lawyer expressing an opinion does not make that
>> opinion correct / legal.

Earthshaking! (Editor's note: there exist lawyers who are not amoral shysters
and who even devote themselves to just causes.)

I guess the following is pertinent:

https://hackaday.com/2018/09/27/can-you-take-back-open-source-code/

 REPUTATIONAL LOSSES
 So if a developer is free to license their code in diametrically opposed ways
(simultaneously closed and open source), and it’s acknowledged that in the
 absence of a Contributor License Agreement they retain the uncontested
 ownership of any code they write, the situation becomes tricky. Does it not
 follow that they have the right to walk back a promise to make their source
 code open, if a scenario presents itself in which the author feels it’s no
 longer appropriate?

 Eric S. Raymond, one of the founders of the Open Source Initiative and author
 of The Cathedral and the Bazaar believes they may have that right. In a post to
 the Linux Kernel Mailing list, Eric specifically addresses the threat some
 developers have made about attempting to pull their code from the kernel:

  First, let me confirm that this threat has teeth. I researched the relevant
  law when I was founding the Open Source Initiative. In the U.S. there is case
  law confirming that reputational losses relating to conversion of the rights 
of
  a contributor to a GPLed project are judicable in law. I do not know the case
  law outside the U.S., but in countries observing the Berne Convention without
  the U.S.’s opt-out of the “moral rights” clause, that clause probably gives 
the
  objectors an even stronger case.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/23/212

Anyway, it appears there's a new Linux CoC (providing for a "harassment-free
experience for everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity,
sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of experience,
education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race,
religion, or sexual identity and orientation"), Linus is stepping aside to work
on his relational problems (with regrets for being a dyed-in-the-wool asshole
all these years), and, well, all hell has broken loose.

I'm uncertain how this all articulates into a coherent whole. Apparently the
worry (or threat?) is a disgruntled hacker (doubtless one of the old male
dinosaurs), ejected for violating the new LGBT-friendly CoC, might rescind the
license grant for his code (a prospect Raymond doesn't find judicially
implausible).

Re: Has NFS changed recently?

[john]

Apologies; if it helps Emacs barfs with the following

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
   string-match("^\\(imap\\|pop\\)s?$" nil nil)
   rmail-remote-proto-p(nil)
   rmail-insert-inbox-text(("/var/spool/mail/jpff" "/mnt/snout/home/jpff/mbox") 
t)
   rmail-get-new-mail-1(nil ("/var/spool/mail/jpff" 
"/mnt/snout/home/jpff/mbox") nil)
   rmail-get-new-mail(nil)
   funcall-interactively(rmail-get-new-mail nil)
   call-interactively(rmail-get-new-mail nil nil)
   command-execute(rmail-get-new-mail)

where /mnt/snout is the NFS mounted filing system and 
/mnt/snout/home/jpff/mbox is the mailbox in question.  the other, 
/var/spool/mail/jpff, is not used except in error cases


On Sun, 27 Jan 2019, Mike Kupfer wrote:


John wrote:


Mail is delivered into a mbox on the Debian server, and the disk is
mounted on the user machine via NFS so the mail can be read into emacs
from a simple file.  This has worked for many years.  But now with the
jessie->stretch upgrade it fails with emacs barfing.


Can you give more details, like the error message(s) from Emacs?

mike

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?#

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 07:24:17PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Resending to the list -- I didn't notice that Ivan had sent this to me only,
and my reply, of course, then went to him only.


How strange; both that Ivan would mail you privately, and also I wonder
what the context was that prompted Ben to post the message starting this
thread in the first place.

When considering what is possible or not in law, especially when more
than one self-professed legal expert (vsnsdualce?) are in conflict with
one another, it sometimes helps to look at what has *actually happened*.
I don't believe that any court has yet ruled to support the revocation
of the GPL. When threats of such a thing come from Eric Raymond of all
people, I make sure I put plenty of salt on my shopping list.


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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[mick crane]

On 2019-01-28 09:21, Curt wrote:


 these years), and, well, all hell has broken loose.


I'm uncertain how this all articulates into a coherent whole. 
Apparently the
worry (or threat?) is a disgruntled hacker (doubtless one of the old 
male
dinosaurs), ejected for violating the new LGBT-friendly CoC, might 
rescind the

license grant for his code (a prospect Raymond doesn't find judicially
implausible).


I did try to comprehend all of the GPL at one time and found it very 
tricky to navigate.
Think the upshot is you can sell it or give it away but you have to make 
the source available and include this license.
So I guess you would have to go back to the people wrote the older bits 
of code that was released under the GPL and any new stuff that 
includes/is based on the older code and doesn't work without is covered 
by the GPL.
ie you can sell it or give it away but you have to make the source 
available and include this license.


mick

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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?#

[Curt]

On 2019-01-28, Jonathan Dowland  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 07:24:17PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>Resending to the list -- I didn't notice that Ivan had sent this to me only,
>>and my reply, of course, then went to him only.
>
> How strange; both that Ivan would mail you privately, and also I wonder
> what the context was that prompted Ben to post the message starting this
> thread in the first place.
>
> When considering what is possible or not in law, especially when more
> than one self-professed legal expert (vsnsdualce?) are in conflict with
> one another, it sometimes helps to look at what has *actually happened*.
> I don't believe that any court has yet ruled to support the revocation
> of the GPL. When threats of such a thing come from Eric Raymond of all
> people, I make sure I put plenty of salt on my shopping list.
>


Threat doesn't seem like the appropriate word for whatever's coming from Eric
Raymond concerning the matter.

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:55:39AM +, mick crane wrote:

[...]

> I did try to comprehend all of the GPL at one time and found it very
> tricky to navigate.

I've been following this thread, and I think the GPL is much simpler
than that:

 (1) use: always
 (2) share (i.e. give to others, distribute, pack up in a bigger distro):
   you are bound by the GPL, that means you've to make the source
   available to your recipients, give them the same GPL rights)
 (3) modify: as soon as you distribute modified versions, you've to
   make those available under the same terms as the GPL.

Of course, if you own the copyright to the software itself (there's no
such thing as to "own" "the software", viz. this term is so ambiguous
as to be worthless), i.e. you wrote it, you paid someone to write it
under a contract which gives you the copyright, etc., then you're not
that much bound by (3). This is e.g. the basis for such things like
the combined licenses, where the copyright owner has a commercial
variant for those (presumably paying) customers who don't want to
be bound by the terms of the GPL. Ghostscript [1] is a prominent
example.

The trick with (2) is that you, as a "receiver" of the softare, don't
have any rights to distribute it [2]; you are /granted/ those rights
by the issuer /if/ you comply with the terms of the GPL. This is the
implicit contract you're entering, whenever you /distribute/ the
software (or a modified version).

This is the "copyleft" hack contained in the GPL.

That said, I'm not a lawyer. Nor do I play one on TV.

[1] https://www.ghostscript.com/license.html
[2] That's by plain and simple copyright law.

Cheers
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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[Steve McIntyre]

In article <201901271924.17175.rhkra...@gmail.com> you write:
>Resending to the list -- I didn't notice that Ivan had sent this to me only, 
>and my reply, of course, then went to him only.
>
>On Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:06:46 AM Ivan Ivanov wrote:
>> Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare
>> license and is revocable by the grantor. Search for "vsnsdualce" "gpl"
>> online to find his messages which prove that, he is a lawyer and has
>> investigated this subject very well. I am CC'ing him in case you'd
>> like to request more information. So if you didn't like the Code of
>> Conduct covertly accepted behind the scenes against your will, and
>> maybe some other questionable political decisions in technical
>> projects 
>
>> (e.g. the recent removal of useful "weboob" package which
>> have been a part of Debian for 8 years but got removed just because
>> some mad SJWs suddenly got offended at its' name) - well you know what
>> to do, and maybe vsnsdualce will be happy to help with your case free
>> of charge.

Ranting about SJWs? Check. Ignore this person.

>I *might* go read some of the stuff by vsnsdualce, but the Weboob situation is 
>not an example of a (free or GPL) license being rescinded.  (You didn't quite 
>say it was, but one could infer that is what you are trying to say by its 
>inclusion in the same paragraph.)
>
>Whatever license and rights conveyed by that license still exist, but Debian 
>(not the copyright owner) has decided no longer to include that in what they 
>distribute.
>
>You can still get the Weboob package from other sources (unless they all 
>disappear) and use the Weboob package in accordance with the license terms for 
>the package you find.

Right. This is an irrelevant side-argument.

>Just another aside: One of my takes on lawyers is that they interpret laws and 
>take legal positions for various reasons, often to further their own or their 
>client's interests, and then are willing to fight the legal battle that may 
>ensue.  A lawyer expressing an opinion does not make that opinion correct / 
>legal.

Correct. Lawyers' opinions are typically estimates of what *might*
happen, informed by their training and background. Until there is
precedent from actual cases, there's not much more to go on.

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Re: systemd-journald failed to open runtime journal

[Charlie S]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 12:03:25 -0500 Liam Morland sent:

> Hello,
> 
> Recently, I have been getting floaded with console messages like this:
> 
> systemd-journald failed to open runtime journal: cannot allocate
> memory
> 
> Rebooting puts a stop to it for a few hours. Even when the messages
> are coming up, /proc/meminfo does not appear to show a lack of memory.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what is happening?
> 
> Linux burns 4.19.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.19.12-1 (2018-12-22)
> i686 GNU/Linux systemd 240-4
> Debian buster/sid
> 
> Thanks,
> Liam


After contemplation, my reply is:

This may have nothing to do with it but...

I think there is a bug in systemd that is shown at upgrade of buster, so
it should be held back before any upgrade is attempted.

Be well,
Charlie

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Re: Partition information as text file?

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/27/2019 03:26 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Sat 26 Jan 2019 at 15:10:55 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/26/2019 01:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2019-01-26 08:32 (UTC-0600):


I am attempting to create a spreadsheet to document the content of
multiple disks of multiple machines.



Gparted displays the desired information.
*HOWEVER* I see no way to capture the information.



At the command line using "lsblk -o NAME,FSTYPE,LABEL /dev/sdb" gives
most of the desired information.



It omits partition size, used space, and unused space.



Suggestions?

[…]

Sometimes I append output from lsblk or parted -l.

hdparm and smartctl might also provide some of what you're looking for.


I'll attempt to redefine my problem.

I have:
   multiple machines
each having
   multiple disks
each having
   multiple partitions.

I wish to inventory the above "conglomeration".

I wish to to answer the question(s):
   How big is each
   How much is available


It appears that you're really interested in the filesystems'
information rather than the partitions', with the exception of the
filesystem LABELs, which you have said elsewhere you use as
indications of the filesystems' contents.


That's likely. There are some terminology issues I'll have to follow up 
on so that I'll use terms in ways compatible to others.




So it looks as if   df --output -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs   gives you all
you want (and more) with the exception of LABELs.


No. The man pages states it only looks at mounted partitions due to 
"...nonportable intimate knowledge of file system structures]. As I only 
have FAT and ext partitions, what I want should be doable if not already 
done.



It seems sensible
to use   lsblk -o NAME,LABEL -l   to get these because AFAICT it
automatically handles the business of selecting e2label/dosfslabel/etc
as appropriate and gets them all in a heap.

With judicious use of head, tail and sort, it would be fairly simple
to get the two listings to correspond well enough for entry into a
spreadsheet (I don't know what you meant by 'generic'), making
final adjustments (df omits the device and partitions like swap) to
line things up.


I'm going to have to reread this thread. There is something in the back 
of mind hinting at a solution. It will require some scripting to pull 
pieces together, but that was assumed to be likely anyway.


Later.

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[mick crane]

On 2019-01-28 12:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:55:39AM +, mick crane wrote:

[...]


I did try to comprehend all of the GPL at one time and found it very
tricky to navigate.


I've been following this thread, and I think the GPL is much simpler
than that:

 (1) use: always
 (2) share (i.e. give to others, distribute, pack up in a bigger 
distro):

   you are bound by the GPL, that means you've to make the source
   available to your recipients, give them the same GPL rights)
 (3) modify: as soon as you distribute modified versions, you've to
   make those available under the same terms as the GPL.

Of course, if you own the copyright to the software itself (there's no
such thing as to "own" "the software", viz. this term is so ambiguous
as to be worthless), i.e. you wrote it, you paid someone to write it
under a contract which gives you the copyright, etc., then you're not
that much bound by (3). This is e.g. the basis for such things like
the combined licenses, where the copyright owner has a commercial
variant for those (presumably paying) customers who don't want to
be bound by the terms of the GPL. Ghostscript [1] is a prominent
example.

The trick with (2) is that you, as a "receiver" of the softare, don't
have any rights to distribute it [2]; you are /granted/ those rights
by the issuer /if/ you comply with the terms of the GPL. This is the
implicit contract you're entering, whenever you /distribute/ the
software (or a modified version).

This is the "copyleft" hack contained in the GPL.

That said, I'm not a lawyer. Nor do I play one on TV.

[1] https://www.ghostscript.com/license.html
[2] That's by plain and simple copyright law.

Cheers
-- t


What I intended to mean was if somebody wants to try to alter (rescind) 
the license they would have to get the agreement of all the previous 
authors whose work, released under the GPL, they used in their code.

Which I can't see happening.

mick

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Re: cups "Filter failed" | filter rastertopdf stops with status 1 | local printing works; remote printing not

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Jan 2019 at 20:49:36 +0100, toog...@mailbox.org wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> i have a laptop and one remote server/computer. The remote server is 
> bananian, i
> hope that doesn't matter for this case.

It shouldn't.
 
> I have  configured cups with hplip to print things on the remote server. That
> means, i can go to https://remote-server/printers/printername in my laptop's
> webbrowser and print a testpage there. However, when i visit
> https://localhost:631 (on the laptop), add the printer of the remote-server
> manually there (url is ipp://172.16.2.4:631/printers/HP_Officejet_6600) and
> print e.g. the testpage, the job fails with "Filter failed".

The server is 172.16.2.4. The client is 172.16.2.7. But the logs also
show a 172.16.2.3; what is it?

[...]

> lpstat -t on the remote server
> --
> 
> # lpstat -t
> scheduler is running
> system default destination: HP_Officejet_6600
> device for HP_Officejet_6600: hp:/usb/Officejet_6600?serial=CN48C9R1BQ05RN
> HP_Officejet_6600 accepting requests since Sun 27 Jan 2019 06:22:03 PM CET
> printer HP_Officejet_6600 is idle.  enabled since Sun 27 Jan 2019 06:22:03 PM
> CET
> HP_Officejet_6600-11unknown 311296   Sun 27 Jan 2019 05:36:33 PM 
> CET

Ok.

> lpstat -t on the laptop (contains also a local usb config)
> -
> 
> system default destination: Officejet-6600
> device for Officejet-6600: hp:/usb/Officejet_6600?serial=CN48C9R1BQ05RN

This is a device URI on the remote server, so it is not local. Jobs
sent to it aren't going anywhere.

> device for remote_printer: ipp://172.16.2.4:631/printers/HP_Officejet_6600
> Officejet-6600 accepting requests since Sat 19 Jan 2019 06:14:19 PM CET
> remote_printer accepting requests since Sun 27 Jan 2019 05:36:29 PM CET
> printer Officejet-6600 is idle.  enabled since Sat 19 Jan 2019 06:14:19 PM CET
> printer remote_printer now printing remote_printer-32.  enabled since Sun 27 
> Jan
> 2019 05:36:29 PM CET
> remote_printer-32   toogley   1024   Sun 27 Jan 2019 05:36:29 PM 
> CET
> 
> 
> 
> /var/log/cups/error_log (LogLevel warn)
> --

The beginning of the log (which shows the file received) is missing.

> E [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Job stopped due to filter errors; 
> please consult the error_log file for details.
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] The following messages were recorded 
> from 08:38:12 PM to 08:38:14 PM
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Adding start banner page "none".
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Queued on "HP_Officejet_6600" by 
> "anonymous".
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] File of type 
> application/vnd.cups-raster queued by "anonymous".

A test file would be expected to be type application/vnd.cups-pdf-banner.

> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Adding end banner page "none".
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] time-at-processing=1548617893
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 4 filters for job:
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] rastertopwg 
> (application/vnd.cups-raster to image/pwg-raster, cost 100)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] rastertopdf (image/pwg-raster to 
> application/pdf, cost 32)

The file received is a raster file. I wonder why.

[...]

> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 
> envp[21]="PPD=/etc/cups/ppd/HP_Officejet_6600.ppd"

There shouldn't be a PPD on the client.

> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[22]="RIP_MAX_CACHE=128m"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 
> envp[23]="CONTENT_TYPE=application/vnd.cups-raster"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 
> envp[24]="DEVICE_URI=hp:/usb/Officejet_6600?serial=CN48C9R1BQ05RN"

The file is being sent somewhere it cannot be delivered to, but this is
not the reason for the failed filter.

> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[25]="PRINTER_INFO=remote printer 
> - HP Officejet 6600"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[26]="PRINTER_LOCATION="
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[27]="PRINTER=HP_Officejet_6600"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 
> envp[28]="PRINTER_STATE_REASONS=marker-supply-low-warning"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[29]="CUPS_FILETYPE=document"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] 
> envp[30]="FINAL_CONTENT_TYPE=application/vnd.cups-pdf"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] envp[31]="AUTH_I"
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Started filter 
> /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertopwg (PID 2561)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Started filter 
> /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertopdf (PID 2562)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Started filter 
> /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf (PID 2563)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Started filter 
> /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 2564)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] Started backend 
> /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp (PID 2565)
> D [27/Jan/2019:20:38:14 +0100] [Job 13] PID 256

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[Joe]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:27:04 +0100
 wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:55:39AM +, mick crane wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I did try to comprehend all of the GPL at one time and found it very
> > tricky to navigate.  
> 
> I've been following this thread, and I think the GPL is much simpler
> than that:
> 
>  (1) use: always
>  (2) share (i.e. give to others, distribute, pack up in a bigger
> distro): you are bound by the GPL, that means you've to make the
> source available to your recipients, give them the same GPL rights)
>  (3) modify: as soon as you distribute modified versions, you've to
>make those available under the same terms as the GPL.
> 
> Of course, if you own the copyright to the software itself (there's no
> such thing as to "own" "the software", viz. this term is so ambiguous
> as to be worthless), i.e. you wrote it, you paid someone to write it
> under a contract which gives you the copyright, etc., then you're not
> that much bound by (3). This is e.g. the basis for such things like
> the combined licenses, where the copyright owner has a commercial
> variant for those (presumably paying) customers who don't want to
> be bound by the terms of the GPL. Ghostscript [1] is a prominent
> example.
> 
> The trick with (2) is that you, as a "receiver" of the softare, don't
> have any rights to distribute it [2]; you are /granted/ those rights
> by the issuer /if/ you comply with the terms of the GPL. This is the
> implicit contract you're entering, whenever you /distribute/ the
> software (or a modified version).
> 
> This is the "copyleft" hack contained in the GPL.
> 
> That said, I'm not a lawyer. Nor do I play one on TV.
> 
> [1] https://www.ghostscript.com/license.html
> [2] That's by plain and simple copyright law.
> 

The whole point of the GPL, of course, was that a Random Large Software
Company couldn't just buy up code and remove it from the market. Even
if all the copyright holders were paid enough to remove their current
code from an open source project, they could not remove previous
versions, and anyone who wished to do so was free to continue
development.

If that isn't true then it's Game Over.

-- 
Joe

Re: "Got notification..." message

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 03:32:24PM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> This is coming from someone who was naive about this a half hour ago.
> I knew UUID and UID were about identification so I searched "what is
> pid identification linux".

To clarify:

"UID" is User IDentifier.  It's a number that your login name maps to
(usually 1000 or so on Debian), and is how the system keeps track of
user accounts.  Human-readable names like "greg" or "cindy" are only
for humans.  What really matters is the UID number.

"UUID" is Universally Unique IDentifier.  It's a string of digits and
dashes that a computer is supposed to be able to generate in such a way
that another computer (or a different process on the same computer) will
not create the same one.  It's kind of like a random number, except with
the intent that nobody else can get the same number.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier

UUIDs have nothing to do with the identification of people.

A UUID is generated when you create a new file system on a disk partition.
This UUID is (supposedly) unique to that file system, and allows the
system to know which file system is which, so it can mount them all in
the correct places.  Even if the device changes from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc
or whatever.

Other uses exist, but that's the one that people are most likely to
encounter.

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Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[John Hasler]

mick writes:
> What I intended to mean was if somebody wants to try to alter
> (rescind) the license they would have to get the agreement of all the
> previous authors whose work, released under the GPL, they used in
> their code.  Which I can't see happening.

"Rescind" implies that the copyright owner can inform people who have
already received copies of the work under the terms of the GPL that the
rights granted to them by the GPL have been revoked and that they are no
longer free to redistribute the work under the terms of the GPL.  This
cannot happen because the GPL contains no clause permitting it.

Think about it. If a copyright owner could revoke licenses arbitrarily
despite the licenses not containing clauses permitting them to do so no
copyright license would be worth anything at all.  Software copyright
licenses (real ones, not the "licenses" that products from Microsoft et
al come with) sometimes do include revocation clauses.  Such clauses
always lay out in great detail the conditions under which revocation is
possible.

A copyright owner can, of course, start distributing copies of a work in
which they own all the copyrights under different terms: this is what
happens when a formerly closed source work is "open sourced".
Obviously, if the work contains stuff in which others own copyright, all
parties must agree to the change.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[John Hasler]

Joe writes:
> The whole point of the GPL, of course, was that a Random Large
> Software Company couldn't just buy up code and remove it from the
> market. Even if all the copyright holders were paid enough to remove
> their current code from an open source project, they could not remove
> previous versions, and anyone who wished to do so was free to continue
> development.

That is true of other Open Source licenses such as the BSD license.

The point of the GPL is that if you extend a work distributed to you
under the terms of the GPL you are obligated to distribute your
extensions only under the terms of the GPL (though you are free to not
distribute them at all).  This is not true of the BSD license: you are
free to distribute derivatives of BSD licensed software under any terms
at all.  This was routinely done: I paid $1000 for BSD-OS for my first
386-based computer.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 04:21:11 AM Curt wrote:
> On 2019-01-28, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> >> Just another aside: One of my takes on lawyers is that they interpret
> >> laws and take legal positions for various reasons, often to further
> >> their own or their client's interests, and then are willing to fight
> >> the legal battle that may ensue.  A lawyer expressing an opinion does
> >> not make that opinion correct / legal.
> 
> Earthshaking! 

I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not.  It wasn't intended to be 
earthshaking, but I don't think everybody realizes that.

> (Editor's note: there exist lawyers who are not amoral
> shysters and who even devote themselves to just causes.)

Not sure who the editor is ;-)  (Wish I had an editor ;-)

I guess if I edited the paragraph quoted above (which I wrote), I'd:

   * replace "often to further" with "sometimes to further" (at least with 
respect to their own interests, my understanding is that, in most cases, your 
lawyer is charged with furthering your interests (if you are their client)

   * replace "are willing to fight the legal battle" with "may be willing to 
fight the legal battle" (and maybe only as long as their client pays them?)

> I guess the following is pertinent:
> 
> https://hackaday.com/2018/09/27/can-you-take-back-open-source-code/

Read the article, skimming the comments, nothing to say at this time.

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[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 08:14:24 AM Brian wrote:
> bananian

Maybe I am morphing into a cat, but what does bananian mean.  Googling didn't 
help, showed me Banyan (a fruit) and talked about a website and whether it is 
safe for children.

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:55:15PM +, mick crane wrote:

[...]

> What I intended to mean was if somebody wants to try to alter
> (rescind) the license

You'd have to explain what you mean by "rescind" here: the license
to the current version or the one to the future versions. Details
would depend on the license's text. GPLV3 is pretty explicit on
that:

  2. Basic Permissions.

  All rights granted under this License are granted for the term
  of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the
  stated conditions are met.

Any questions?

> they would have to get the agreement of all the previous authors
> whose work, released under the GPL, they used in their code.

This is a whole other kettle of fish, and you shouldn't mix it with
the above -- this will result in impenetrable fog.

This concerns the case when a project wants to change the license:
suppose it is "GPLV2 only" and the project leaders would like to
relicense it to "GPLV3". This would run against the "GPLV2 only"
terms, so it is only possible if /all copyright holders/ agree.

In some cases it's easy (as when there's just one copyright holder)
in others (prominent example: the Linux kernel) each contributor
retains the copyright to her own contribution... a change is
practically impossible. But some (admittedly smaller at that time)
projects have managed to pull that off [1].

The normal case is that when the original authors/company would
like to do something like that, they expect a CLA ("Contributor's
licence agreement") from their contributors (but that has to be
done in advance, of course).

> Which I can't see happening.

Sometimes it happens (see OSM example below)

Cheers

[1] https://blog.openstreetmap.org/tag/license-change/
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[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:11:00AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 08:14:24 AM Brian wrote:
> > bananian
> 
> Maybe I am morphing into a cat, but what does bananian mean.  Googling didn't 
> help, showed me Banyan (a fruit) and talked about a website and whether it is 
> safe for children.

I don't know, but my assoc memory suggests it might be a Raspbian
for a Banana Pi.

Cheers
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[Curt]

On 2019-01-28, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 08:14:24 AM Brian wrote:
>> bananian
>
> Maybe I am morphing into a cat, but what does bananian mean.  Googling didn't 
> help, showed me Banyan (a fruit) and talked about a website and whether it is 
> safe for children.
>


It helped me:

https://www.bananian.org/details

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[Curt]

On 2019-01-28,   wrote:
>
>
> I don't know, but my assoc memory suggests it might be a Raspbian
> for a Banana Pi.
>

A bananian could also be someone who lives in a banana.

Re: cups "Filter failed" | filter rastertopdf stops with status 1 | local printing works; remote printing not

[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 10:21:31 AM Curt wrote:
> It helped me:
> 
> https://www.bananian.org/details

Thanks to you and Tomas -- you are a better googler than I am ;-)

Pulseaudio setup question

[Michael Earl Milliman]

I regularly use at least one loopback module in my pulseaudio setup,
looping incoming USB audio stream back to the computer speakers and/or
bluetooth headphones.  This means that I almost always run 'pactl
load-module module-loopback' as one of the first things I do when
booting up.  According to the pulseaudio documentation, I can put the
command 'load-module module-loopback' into a default.pa file in my
configuration folder for pulseaudio (~/.config/pulse) and it will be run
automatically on log-in.  Unfortunately, when I do so, the pulseaudio
server crashes (or fails to start).  I have also tried putting this
command in the system configuration folder, which causes much the same
problem.  Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or what I need to do
differently.  Putting the appropriate command in my log-in script is an
option, but was hoping for a way to do it automatically through pulseaudio.

-- 
73 de Mike, WB5VQX

Re: Partition information as text file?

[Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă]

On 28-01-2019, at 06h 48'00", Richard Owlett wrote about "Re: Partition 
information as text file?"
> On 01/27/2019 03:26 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Sat 26 Jan 2019 at 15:10:55 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>On 01/26/2019 01:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> >>>Richard Owlett composed on 2019-01-26 08:32 (UTC-0600):
> >>>
> I am attempting to create a spreadsheet to document the content of
> multiple disks of multiple machines.
> >>>

You know, gparted is based on parted, that is text based. Also use
fdisk, skdisk, etc. that are text based. You redirect their output
into a text file that you can use in your spread sheet program
(whatever that can be). For example fdisk -l (as root) will output all
partitions on all disks from a system. You can grep it, pipe it to sed
to modify stuff, awk to play with columns, etc. to make it look like
you please. If you can ssh to those machine, you can do it like this:

for m in machine1 machine2 machine3 ; do 
  ssh $m fdisk -l 
done > file_with_all_partition_info_machines_1-3.txt

If you plan to use that info to recreate partitions, use the dump
version of sfdisk: sfdisk -d /dev/sda > sfdisk_dump_sda.txt
that you can use to make those partitions to another drive:
sfdisk /dev/sdX < sfdisk_dump_sda.txt

If you want a graphical ouput, something along the lines of gparted,
just grab the screen with import. I usually do this:

 sleep 3 ; import file.jpg

on a terminal to make sure I have time to put the main window on focus
for capturing.


Ionel

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Ivan Ivanov wrote:
> Yes: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. GPLv2 is a bare
> license and is revocable by the grantor.

Do you mean
  https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/12/24/209
?

The GPL does not say that it can be rescinded at the will of the grantor.
In GPLv3 it is explicitely stated:

  2. Basic Permissions.

  All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of
copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated
conditions are met.  This License explicitly affirms your unlimited
permission to run the unmodified Program.  The output from running a
covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its
content, constitutes a covered work.  This License acknowledges your
rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law.


Note the word "irrevocable". So i think GPLv3 is safe.

In GPLv2, the preamble states intentions which clearly contradict a
reserved right to revoke the once given license. The TERMS AND CONDITIONS
paragraph 4 say that if "you" lose the license rights because of violations,
"parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License
will not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in
full compliance".
This expresses a clear promise not to revoke the license from well behaving
license takers.


Next the article quotes a conversation with Eben Moglen, lawyer of the
Free Software Foundation.
The only substance i see there is a reference to the principle that gifts
can be demanded back under some circumstances. In german law it is because
of the giver becomming needy or because the receiver shows outraging
unthankfulness (e.g. an attempt to murder the giver).

I sincerely doubt that GPL is a gift in the sense of german BGB 516 - 534.
Especially paragraph 517 says that waiving income in favor of somebody
else is not such a gift. The large number of license takers makes the
situation quite different from the one expected by german law.

Further a demand to return the gift because of neediness would depend
on a binding offer from a third party to pay money if the software is
not under GPL any more. I think not even Microsoft Inc. would make such
an offer, nowadays.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019, at 15:11, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe I am morphing into a cat, but what does bananian mean.  Googling didn't 
> help, showed me Banyan (a fruit) and talked about a website and whether it is 
> safe for children.

The very first hit I get is for a linux distro.

And I didn't ned to be a sophisticated Googler; I provided just one word (I 
think
you can guess what it was) as the search argument.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

[mick crane]

On 2019-01-28 15:14, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:55:15PM +, mick crane wrote:

[...]


What I intended to mean was if somebody wants to try to alter
(rescind) the license


You'd have to explain what you mean by "rescind" here: the license
to the current version or the one to the future versions. Details
would depend on the license's text. GPLV3 is pretty explicit on
that:

  2. Basic Permissions.

  All rights granted under this License are granted for the term
  of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the
  stated conditions are met.

Any questions?


nope


they would have to get the agreement of all the previous authors
whose work, released under the GPL, they used in their code.


This is a whole other kettle of fish, and you shouldn't mix it with
the above -- this will result in impenetrable fog.

This concerns the case when a project wants to change the license:
suppose it is "GPLV2 only" and the project leaders would like to
relicense it to "GPLV3". This would run against the "GPLV2 only"
terms, so it is only possible if /all copyright holders/ agree.

In some cases it's easy (as when there's just one copyright holder)
in others (prominent example: the Linux kernel) each contributor
retains the copyright to her own contribution... a change is
practically impossible. But some (admittedly smaller at that time)
projects have managed to pull that off [1].

The normal case is that when the original authors/company would
like to do something like that, they expect a CLA ("Contributor's
licence agreement") from their contributors (but that has to be
done in advance, of course).


Which I can't see happening.


Sometimes it happens (see OSM example below)

Cheers

Was Smoothwall I think wanted to make proprietary and not release the 
code which resulted in IPCop.




[1] https://blog.openstreetmap.org/tag/license-change/
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[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 11:42:52 AM Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019, at 15:11, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Maybe I am morphing into a cat, but what does bananian mean.  Googling
> > didn't help, showed me Banyan (a fruit) and talked about a website and
> > whether it is safe for children.
> 
> The very first hit I get is for a linux distro.
> 
> And I didn't ned to be a sophisticated Googler; I provided just one word (I
> think you can guess what it was) as the search argument.

Ahh, ok, sorry, it looks like I lied -- I searched for [define: bananian] using 
Duck Duck Go (not google, as I had stated).  

None of the first 10 results had anything to do with a LInux distribution.

Re: Has NFS changed recently?

[Mike Kupfer]

john wrote:

> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
>string-match("^\\(imap\\|pop\\)s?$" nil nil)
>rmail-remote-proto-p(nil)
>rmail-insert-inbox-text(("/var/spool/mail/jpff" 
> "/mnt/snout/home/jpff/mbox") t)
>rmail-get-new-mail-1(nil ("/var/spool/mail/jpff" 
> "/mnt/snout/home/jpff/mbox") nil)
>rmail-get-new-mail(nil)
>funcall-interactively(rmail-get-new-mail nil)
>call-interactively(rmail-get-new-mail nil nil)
>command-execute(rmail-get-new-mail)

Hmph, I should have also asked what version of Emacs you're using (my
bad).  I don't see a call to rmail-remote-proto-p in the Emacs that's
bundled with Stretch.

Assuming that you're using Emacs 26, it looks like you're hitting a bug
in the error-handling code in rmail.

   (if (and (rmail-remote-proto-p proto)
(or got-password
(re-search-forward rmail-remote-password-error
   nil t)))
   (rmail-set-remote-password nil))

That first line should be something like

   (if (and proto (rmail-remote-proto-p proto)

If you're comfortable hacking Emacs Lisp, try fixing that first.  Then,
hopefully, Emacs will tell you what movemail is complaining about.

If you're not comfortable hacking Emacs Lisp, you could try looking for
the buffer that contains the error message from movemail.

regards,
mike

Re: "Got notification..." message

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:


On 1/26/19, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:

hi,
I just discovred today that I have every day, in syslog, more than 10
lines of message like:

  inetd.service: Got notification message from PID 31376, but reception
  only permitted for main PID 10222

(I didn't find any useful answer from Google)
I'm not aware of any not working program, but it's rather frustating, in
addition that syslog is unusually very big, every day.



This is coming from someone who was naive about this a half hour ago.
I knew UUID and UID were about identification so I searched "what is
pid identification linux".

Landed information that it's about "process identification"... so I
gave "ps aux" a shot by letting it run wide open. I wanted to see if
"ps" labels the columns. It does. Second column = PID.

The numbers there change CONSTANTLY depending on how we open and close
everything we do. That's another of those Life lessons learned on the
fly because things like PysolFC, Firefox, and Xfce4-terminal all
change for me constantly during each session. You always have to track
down that new number during those times you might have to do things
like... "kill". :D

The reason I'm saying that is because something else likely now bears
the numbers you shared.  It's further no shock that you couldn't find
an exact match online because that is VERY specific to your usage. If
you reboot after reading this. something else yet again possibly will
be represented by those same two figures *IF* they even appear at all.

So... maybe see if you can identify which two processes go by whatever
numbers appear for the newest lines to see if those packages are still
running. You *possibly* can do that very quickly by placing your
newest numbers where I used "1136" in my example for terminal command
"ps aux | grep 1136":

$ ps aux | grep 1136
candyca+  1136  0.0  0.4 297668  4684 ?Sl   Jan24   2:13
/usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py --tray
candyca+ 25753  0.0  0.0   6384   796 pts/1S+   15:13   0:00 grep 1136

Maybe, anyway. This is totally by the seat of my britches because no
one else had had a chance to answer yet. I'm bold in posting it
because it's actually working in a comprehensible way with my setup
here just this second. :)

That "reception only permitted for main" that you're seeing tells me
something's trying to share a message, sometimes simply an advisement
but also possibly a warning or error, in a way that it's not allowed
to do, but I'm not sure how *to attempt* to work through that without
knowing exactly what's involved.

My still naive reading of what you're seeing is that "PID 31376" is
trying to communicate with, hopefully just advise "inetd.service", but
whatever "PID 31376" is sending is only permitted to be used/accessed
by "PID 10222".


 thank you for your long answer, but alas it explains nothing...
 I don't know why I had 4 inetd running processes, and why some tried to
 communicate with an other one.

 today, I only have 1

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

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[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 12:08:35 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ahh, ok, sorry, it looks like I lied 

I guess I should clarify, I should know better than to make statements like 
that on a mail list (but, it does say "it  looks like I lied" ;-)

I mean, if I want to run for president -- oh, wait... ;-)

To clarify, it was a mis-statement, with two causes:

   1. My default search engine has been DDG for several months (maybe almost a 
year now), but I don't remember / think about that -- I just think of it as 
"googling".

   2.  Even if I did remember / think about it, I use "google" as a generic 
name for online searching (repeating what I said above).

> -- I searched for [define: bananian]
> using Duck Duck Go (not google, as I had stated).

> None of the first 10 results had anything to do with a LInux distribution.

Re: system stops

[David Christensen]

On 1/28/19 1:18 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:55, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/27/19 12:11 PM, BELAHCENE Abdelkader wrote:

Sometimes (maybe often) when I leave the system for a times without
touching it, when I come back, the system is frozen , juste the
pointer of
mouse can move, but nothing else,  keyboard doesn't respond,  even
ctrl+alt+F1 , or F2,  ...
So the only  thing todo is stop button.


Install the package:

     openssh-server


Configure your host and/or network so that you can log in over the
network.


Holding alt-sysrq (print screen key usually) and then typing RSEIUB may
also restart the system but cleanly as in unmounting file systems etc.
however I agree with the above option too.


Where is that documented?


David

Re: systemd-journald failed to open runtime journal

[deloptes]

Charlie S wrote:

> I think there is a bug in systemd that is shown at upgrade of buster, so
> it should be held back before any upgrade is attempted.

Sorry for irony but I just thought - I think it is bug by itself :D

Re: system stops

[John Darrah]

On 1/28/2019 10:21 AM, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/28/19 1:18 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:55, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/27/19 12:11 PM, BELAHCENE Abdelkader wrote:

Sometimes (maybe often) when I leave the system for a times without
touching it, when I come back, the system is frozen , juste the
pointer of
mouse can move, but nothing else,  keyboard doesn't respond,  even
ctrl+alt+F1 , or F2,  ...
So the only  thing todo is stop button.


Install the package:

 openssh-server


Configure your host and/or network so that you can log in over the
network.


Holding alt-sysrq (print screen key usually) and then typing RSEIUB may
also restart the system but cleanly as in unmounting file systems etc.
however I agree with the above option too.


Where is that documented?


David



Right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

-- john

Re: Pulseaudio setup question

[deloptes]

Michael Earl Milliman wrote:

> I regularly use at least one loopback module in my pulseaudio setup,
> looping incoming USB audio stream back to the computer speakers and/or
> bluetooth headphones.  This means that I almost always run 'pactl
> load-module module-loopback' as one of the first things I do when
> booting up.  According to the pulseaudio documentation, I can put the
> command 'load-module module-loopback' into a default.pa file in my
> configuration folder for pulseaudio (~/.config/pulse) and it will be run
> automatically on log-in.  Unfortunately, when I do so, the pulseaudio
> server crashes (or fails to start).  I have also tried putting this
> command in the system configuration folder, which causes much the same
> problem.  Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or what I need to do
> differently.  Putting the appropriate command in my log-in script is an
> option, but was hoping for a way to do it automatically through
> pulseaudio.

Ahm, PA is spawned by the user session, so you need to load (if at all)
after you log in and PA is started.

I write (if at all), because I think PA can remember what you were doing
before, but it could be also version related issue.

Last but not least. I compiled 12.2 because all the rest had too many bugs.
Don't know which is the version now in stretch - I got so pissed. Now
finally it works 99.5%. My issues were also related to removable (BT)
source. It was nasty with 11.1. 11.99 was better, but got a hint about 12.2
and it is peace now.

hope it helps

regards

Re: system stops

[rhkramer]

Hmm, it might be my day to be disagreeable, and I'm not the OP, nor (iirc) 
have I posted in this thread prior to this, but ...

On Monday, January 28, 2019 01:41:41 PM John Darrah wrote:
> On 1/28/2019 10:21 AM, David Christensen wrote:
> > Where is that documented?
> > 
> > 
> > David
> 
> Right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

I don't consider that documentation.

You should read all of wikipedia before using a piece of software?  Or some 
selection based on words you can remember / think of?

(I guess I don't doubt that it is documented somewhere in something that I 
would consider documentation (like a man page associated with Linux or the 
specific app), but an entry in wikipedia is not documentation.

Hmm, should I wait and rethink before posting this -- nah, even if I wait, at 
most I'll do something like add some musing just like this ;-)

Re: IPv6 static config in /etc/network/interfaces ignored

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 27/01/2019 à 22:09, Claudio M a écrit :


Jan 27 20:40:15 my-server systemd[1]: Starting Raise network interfaces...
Jan 27 20:40:20 my-server ifup[489]: Waiting for DAD... Done
Jan 27 20:45:15 my-server systemd[1]: networking.service: Start operation
timed out. Terminating.


Is this what you got before or after swapping the stanzas ?
"Waiting for DAD" means that ifup started configuring the interface with 
the inet6 stanza.



Did you try to swap the inet and inet6 stanzas ?

I did, and it solved the assignment problem, but I guess  it's the

iptables.sh script that's causing this.


Do you mean it could not terminate within 5 minutes ?
Do you mind posting its contents ?
Also, running ps -Af, pstree or the like before the 5-minute delay 
should show the offending process.



I suppose I could try to replace it with nftables (we're going there
anyway...)


I do not think that iptables is going to disappear anytime soon.

Re: Partition information as text file?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/01/2019 à 13:48, Richard Owlett a écrit :


So it looks as if   df --output -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs   gives you all
you want (and more) with the exception of LABELs.


No. The man pages states it only looks at mounted partitions due to 
"...nonportable intimate knowledge of file system structures]. As I only 
have FAT and ext partitions, what I want should be doable if not already 
done.


The total and used/free space in ext and FAT filesystems can be computed 
from the output of tune2fs -l/dumpe2fs -h and fsck.dos -n.

Re: system stops

[John Darrah]

On 1/28/2019 11:08 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm, it might be my day to be disagreeable, and I'm not the OP, nor (iirc)
have I posted in this thread prior to this, but ...

On Monday, January 28, 2019 01:41:41 PM John Darrah wrote:

On 1/28/2019 10:21 AM, David Christensen wrote:

Where is that documented?


David

Right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

I don't consider that documentation.

You should read all of wikipedia before using a piece of software?  Or some
selection based on words you can remember / think of?

(I guess I don't doubt that it is documented somewhere in something that I
would consider documentation (like a man page associated with Linux or the
specific app), but an entry in wikipedia is not documentation.

Hmm, should I wait and rethink before posting this -- nah, even if I wait, at
most I'll do something like add some musing just like this ;-)


Is this better?: 
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.18/admin-guide/sysrq.html


-- john

Re: cups "Filter failed" | filter rastertopdf stops with status 1 | local printing works; remote printing not

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 28 January 2019 13:19:50 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, January 28, 2019 12:08:35 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ahh, ok, sorry, it looks like I lied
>
> I guess I should clarify, I should know better than to make statements
> like that on a mail list (but, it does say "it  looks like I lied" ;-)
>
> I mean, if I want to run for president -- oh, wait... ;-)
>
You may as well, everybody else is, at least till the podium 
collapses. :)

> To clarify, it was a mis-statement, with two causes:
>
>1. My default search engine has been DDG for several months (maybe
> almost a year now), but I don't remember / think about that -- I just
> think of it as "googling".
>
>2.  Even if I did remember / think about it, I use "google" as a
> generic name for online searching (repeating what I said above).
>
> > -- I searched for [define: bananian]
> > using Duck Duck Go (not google, as I had stated).
> >
> > None of the first 10 results had anything to do with a LInux
> > distribution.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: system stops

[rhkramer]

On Monday, January 28, 2019 02:45:26 PM John Darrah wrote:
> On 1/28/2019 11:08 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I don't consider that documentation.

> Is this better?:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.18/admin-guide/sysrq.html

Yes, thank you!

Re: Pulseaudio setup question

[Michael Milliman]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 12:54 deloptes  Michael Earl Milliman wrote:
>
> > I regularly use at least one loopback module in my pulseaudio setup,
> > looping incoming USB audio stream back to the computer speakers and/or
> > bluetooth headphones.  This means that I almost always run 'pactl
> > load-module module-loopback' as one of the first things I do when
> > booting up.  According to the pulseaudio documentation, I can put the
> > command 'load-module module-loopback' into a default.pa file in my
> > configuration folder for pulseaudio (~/.config/pulse) and it will be run
> > automatically on log-in.  Unfortunately, when I do so, the pulseaudio
> > server crashes (or fails to start).  I have also tried putting this
> > command in the system configuration folder, which causes much the same
> > problem.  Any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or what I need to do
> > differently.  Putting the appropriate command in my log-in script is an
> > option, but was hoping for a way to do it automatically through
> > pulseaudio.
>
> Ahm, PA is spawned by the user session, so you need to load (if at all)
> after you log in and PA is started.
>
> Yes, it is spawned by user session, which is why I attempted to place the
> command needed in my home configuration folder. Pulse does remember
> settings from the previous session, but only applies them after the module
> is loaded. It doesn't automatically load modules that were being used in
> the previous session.
>

I write (if at all), because I think PA can remember what you were doing
> before, but it could be also version related issue.
>
> Last but not least. I compiled 12.2 because all the rest had too many bugs.
> Don't know which is the version now in stretch - I got so pissed. Now
> finally it works 99.5%. My issues were also related to removable (BT)
> source. It was nasty with 11.1. 11.99 was better, but got a hint about 12.2
> and it is peace now.
>
> hope it helps
>
> regards
>
>

Disable left-ctrl?

[Boyan Penkov]

Hey folks,

I am now writing my thesis, and have the genesis of some pretty significant 
EMACs pinky.  (I use my left pinky for the left ctrl most of the time, which is 
setting me up for failure.).

To this end, I’d like to disable the left ctrl key only, and force my brain to 
use the right one.  Better yet, I’d like the screen to flash or something then 
I inadvertently hit left-ctrl.

Any thoughts?

Cheers!
--
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com

Re: Disable left-ctrl?

[Nitebirdz]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 06:16:32PM -0500, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> I am now writing my thesis, and have the genesis of some pretty significant
> EMACs pinky.  (I use my left pinky for the left ctrl most of the time, which 
> is
> setting me up for failure.).
> 
> To this end, I’d like to disable the left ctrl key only, and force my brain to
> use the right one.  Better yet, I’d like the screen to flash or something then
> I inadvertently hit left-ctrl.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 

The following may be of some help:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=994066


According to that exchange, the following command should do the trick:

 $ xmodmap -e "remove Control = Control_L"


Obviously, to make that permanent you should add it to your
"~/.xsessionrc" or something similar.

-- 
Nitebirdz
http://www.sacredchaos.com/

Re: Disable left-ctrl?

[James H. H. Lampert]

On 1/28/19, 3:16 PM, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> To this end, I’d like to disable the left ctrl key only, and force my
> brain to use the right one.  Better yet, I’d like the screen to flash
> or something then I inadvertently hit left-ctrl.

Just two thoughts occur to me:

1) On a 5250 data stream terminal tied to an IBM Midrange system, 
(AS/400, iSeries, System i, or whatever IBM is calling it this week), 
"Error Reset" is in the left-ctrl position, and "Enter" is in the 
right-ctrl position. I've written most of the user-interface code for a 
Java-based 5250 emulator. It's certainly possible to write code that 
accesses the keyboard at a low enough level to completely remap it. But 
for your purposes, the place for such low-level remapping code is 
probably in a keyboard driver.


2) When I was still using a WinDoze box with any regularity, and had a 
keyboard with "WinDoze keys" connected to it, I stuffed rolled up pieces 
of paper under those keys, in order to physically interdict them.


--
JHHL

Re: system stops

[David Christensen]

On 1/28/19 10:41 AM, John Darrah wrote:

On 1/28/2019 10:21 AM, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/28/19 1:18 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 28/01/2019 00:55, David Christensen wrote:

On 1/27/19 12:11 PM, BELAHCENE Abdelkader wrote:

Sometimes (maybe often) when I leave the system for a times without
touching it, when I come back, the system is frozen , juste the
pointer of
mouse can move, but nothing else,  keyboard doesn't respond,  even
ctrl+alt+F1 , or F2,  ...
So the only  thing todo is stop button.


Install the package:

 openssh-server


Configure your host and/or network so that you can log in over the
network.


Holding alt-sysrq (print screen key usually) and then typing RSEIUB may
also restart the system but cleanly as in unmounting file systems etc.
however I agree with the above option too.


Where is that documented?


Right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key


Why RSEIUB, rather than REISUB as recommended by Wikipedia?


David

Re: system stops

[John Crawley]

On 28/01/2019 18.18, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 1/27/19 12:11 PM, BELAHCENE Abdelkader wrote:

Sometimes (maybe often) when I leave the system for a times without
touching it, when I come back, the system is frozen , juste the
pointer of
mouse can move, but nothing else,  keyboard doesn't respond,  even
ctrl+alt+F1 , or F2,  ...
So the only  thing todo is stop button.


Holding alt-sysrq (print screen key usually) and then typing RSEIUB may
also restart the system but cleanly as in unmounting file systems etc.


Unfortunately in this case the keyboard is not responding, so RSEISUB 
(boots and braces) probably won't help. (It's a good thing to try though.)


--
John

Re: USB hard drives -- recommendations?

[Celejar]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:33:33 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

> On Fri 25 Jan 2019 at 15:06:25 (-0500), Celejar wrote:
> 
> > One major annoyance (and I don't know if this is a problem affecting
> > all USB external drives, or is related to my cables, USB ports, drives,
> > or something else) is that the connections are terribly fragile: moving
> > the drive, or even just jostling it, will usually result in the
> > connection failing, and require replugging the cable and remounting
> > (followed by an fsck) to continue. [FWIW, these are 2.5 inch drives -
> > 3.5 may be sturdier, but I don't really know.]
> 
> In this respect, I find (with Seagate 3½ drives) that the USB3 cables
> are far worse than USB2. For their lateral size, the USB3 plug's
> insertion depth is so shallow that there's little grip, and the cables
> (which probably contain more conductors) are stiffer, so any movement
> sideways and they can fall out. The cables are shorter too; one metre
> as opposed to two. I only use USB3 drives with a laptop when it's on
> the table. For professional installations, I can't see any cure
> because vibration is going loosen them even if everything is tied down.

I hear you. I generally use my USB3 2.5 inch WD drives on a table with
my laptop, but still find that the slightest jostle will kill the
connection.

Celejar

Re: system stops

[Tixy]

On Mon, 2019-01-28 at 15:43 -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 02:45:26 PM John Darrah wrote:
> > On 1/28/2019 11:08 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I don't consider that documentation.
> 
> > Is this better?:
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.18/admin-guide/sysrq.html
> 
> Yes, thank you!

Debian kernels don't seem to have the process killing and debug dump
keys disabled by default...

# cat /boot/config-4.9.0-8-amd64 | grep SYSRQ
CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ_DEFAULT_ENABLE=0x01b6

I guess it was decided that the disabled options could allow
unauthorised users access to sensitive information and programs.

-- 
Tixy