Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[tomas]

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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 04:04:48PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Kenneth Parker  writes:
> 
> > Isn't this what this is all about? [...]

> Excellent work, and a great result. Thanks for reporting it to us!

Seconded. Thanks for the report. That's the spirit :-)

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Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[Rick Thomas]

Congratulations, Kenneth!  I’m proud to have been of help!

Rick

On Apr 23, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Kenneth Parker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm sure you are, more used to getting bad news posts, when people have 
> trouble.   And my situation began that way.  I'm the one with the recent 
> Chicken and Egg Issue, helping a friend install Debian 9.4 on an expired 
> MacBook, which Apple states can't run anything later than OSX Lion.  The 
> Broadcom B43 issue temporarily prevented me from having this Friend's Macbook 
> connect to the Internet.  The Debian 9.4 CD1 Installed well (after I got past 
> EFI issues, with the help of refind), but I couldn't connect to the Internet, 
> due to the Wifi issue.  
> 
> Many Thanks to Abdullah Ramazankgoglu, Rick Thomas, David Christensen, Dan 
> Ritter, Tomas, Brian and Eike for your help.  The Firmware installed 
> correctly, and I have a happy friend, with a "Rehabilitated MacBook.
> 
> Isn't this what this is all about?  I now have a happy Debian user, who was 
> previously a marginalized Mac user, down on his luck, and unable to afford 
> the expensive new Macs!
> 
> Now, he is up to date, and able to use Firefox, LibreOffice, and other Debian 
> Packages, while also able to Dual Boot, back to OSX Lion, when he needs to.  
> How's that for Volunteer work?
> 
> Thank you and best regards,
> 
> Kenneth Parker
> 

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Jochen Spieker]

m...@neidorff.com:
> 
> What is your goal in doing another install?  If you want a text interface, 
> then open a terminal window and make it full screen.  Poof!  Best of both 
> worlds.

True. And for more isolation but without the requirement for reboots
(and a separate kernel) you can use chroots.

J.
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Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[Kenneth Parker]

One more thing.  I'm now learning, quickly, about recent changes, such as
the net-tools to iproute2 transition which, as I look at my other running
systems, has been going for a while, and also learning more about the
systemd changes.  I will also add the Bios to UEFI transition, which the
last two releases of Debian have been handling quite well.

So also thank you all, for the Network Lessons.  Special thanks to Dan
Ritter for Pasting examples of the ip command, of which email I had, frozen
on my Android Phone, during a tense period of time during the procedure.
In my opinion, "ip r" aces the route command.

Kenneth Parker

Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[Jochen Spieker]

Kenneth Parker:
> One more thing.  I'm now learning, quickly, about recent changes, such as
> the net-tools to iproute2 transition which, as I look at my other running
> systems, has been going for a while,

It has been going on since at least 2008, so calling these changes
"recent" uses a quite flexible definition of that word. :)

J.
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Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Long Wind wrote:
> /debian/dists/Debian9.4/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media
> it's in directory above

Do you mean something like
  
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
?

It seems hardly to be capable of doing anything without the files from
an installation ISO.
  https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-easy
says that you first put uncompressed hd-media/boot.img.gz onto an USB stick
(to get an unpartitioned 1 GB stick with FAT filesystem, bleh), then download
a netinst ISO and put it as file into the filesystem on the USB stick.

The strings in "/initrd.gz" look like it can find the ISO image and mount
it in order to use its files.
So the whole image seems to be a USB stick frontend to (small) i386 or amd64
installation ISOs, which meanwhile are ready for USB stick on their own.


> is it possible to create a bootable CD from it?

Rather not. if you mount it as FAT filesystem and look at its content,
there is not much more than a SYSLINUX bootloader, a Linux kernel "/linux",
and two initial ramdisks "/initrd.gz", "/initrdg.gz".

There is no file "isolinux.bin" and no EFI System Partition in boot.img.gz.
So there is no software for the first step of booting from CD, neither for
BIOS nor for EFI.
So even if the necessary files for the second stage of a SYSLINUX bootloader
are present, you'd still need to get ISOLINUX files ("isolinux.bin" and maybe
others) to bridge the gap between BIOS and the second stage of ISOLINUX or
SYSLINUX.

You could pick the missing files from the installation ISO, which you have
to download anyways. Its file /.disk/mkisofs would give you an idea how to
pack up all files as bootable ISO for CD.

But why build a new ISO when you already have downloaded a good one ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[Long Wind]

 Congratulation!
such success story is hardly surprising to me
debian has lots of such story
if i meet problem, usually i can get help from this list
sometimes i can't solve it even after seeking help
but debian is still best in my experience



On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 1:39:03 PM GMT+8, Kenneth Parker 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello,
I'm sure you are, more used to getting bad news posts, when people have 
trouble.   And my situation began that way.  I'm the one with the recent 
Chicken and Egg Issue, helping a friend install Debian 9.4 on an expired 
MacBook, which Apple states can't run anything later than OSX Lion.  The 
Broadcom B43 issue temporarily prevented me from having this Friend's Macbook 
connect to the Internet.  The Debian 9.4 CD1 Installed well (after I got past 
EFI issues, with the help of refind), but I couldn't connect to the Internet, 
due to the Wifi issue.  
Many Thanks to Abdullah Ramazankgoglu, Rick Thomas, David Christensen, Dan 
Ritter, Tomas, Brian and Eike for your help.  The Firmware installed correctly, 
and I have a happy friend, with a "Rehabilitated MacBook.
Isn't this what this is all about?  I now have a happy Debian user, who was 
previously a marginalized Mac user, down on his luck, and unable to afford the 
expensive new Macs!
Now, he is up to date, and able to use Firefox, LibreOffice, and other Debian 
Packages, while also able to Dual Boot, back to OSX Lion, when he needs to.  
How's that for Volunteer work?
Thank you and best regards,
Kenneth Parker
  

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:

When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study
systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
Ethernet Cable disconnected.

It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I (after
fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
lynx), and still have fun with it.

Does that help?



That may help a similar problem for me.
How large was it before "adding a few items"?
TIA

Re: (solved)Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Brian]

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 09:37:05 +, Long Wind wrote:

>  Thank Thomas Schmitt!
> I can't use the file for that purpose.I will try other methods.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 5:16:13 PM GMT+8, Thomas Schmitt 
>  wrote:  

[Good explanation snipped]

> But why build a new ISO when you already have downloaded a good one ?

I don't think Thomas Schmitt was quite saying you cannot boot from USB
using boot.img.gz but querying why you should want to. Isohybrid images
were introduced to Debian in 2011. Prior to that, boot.img.gz was one
method to boot a netinst image from USB on a machine which did not have
a CD drive (say). There is no call for this method unless an isohybrid
image is not available or it doesn't work.

You really should say what you are trying to achieve.

-- 
Brian.

Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > But why build a new ISO when you already have downloaded a good one ?

Brian wrote:
> I don't think Thomas Schmitt was quite saying you cannot boot from USB
> using boot.img.gz but querying why you should want to.

I still wonder, but am too shy to ask directly.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 04:33:00PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> While installing and you check no boxes to add packages or desktop you get
> Debian Base install, command line, apt, dpkg and internet.

Correct.

> Package
> 'net-tools' is installed so you have ifconfig if needed. This is the same
> for all current Debian releases.

Incorrect.  net-tools is deprecated, and not installed by default in
stretch.  iproute2 is installed by default.

Of course, if you simply configure your network by editing
/etc/network/interfaces and running ifdown/ifup commands (or rebooting),
then you wouldn't know or care which network tool package is installed.

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Joe]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:25:02 +0200
Jochen Spieker  wrote:

> m...@neidorff.com:
> > 
> > What is your goal in doing another install?  If you want a text
> > interface, then open a terminal window and make it full screen.
> > Poof!  Best of both worlds.  
> 
> True. And for more isolation but without the requirement for reboots
> (and a separate kernel) you can use chroots.
> 

Funny how different people see things different ways. My take on the
OP's need for a separate installation was what I have often done with
servers, to have a completely independent boot environment available
for disaster recovery, with fstab already set up to mount the main
installation partitions, scripts for chroot, configuration
documentation, etc.

-- 
Joe

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 04/24/2018 05:20 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 04:33:00PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

While installing and you check no boxes to add packages or desktop you get
Debian Base install, command line, apt, dpkg and internet.


Correct.


Package
'net-tools' is installed so you have ifconfig if needed. This is the same
for all current Debian releases.


Incorrect.  net-tools is deprecated, and not installed by default in
stretch.  iproute2 is installed by default.

Of course, if you simply configure your network by editing
/etc/network/interfaces and running ifdown/ifup commands (or rebooting),
then you wouldn't know or care which network tool package is installed.



I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.  So Greg what package pulls 
in the things we need for internet?  I know its not network-manager.


Thanks,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - Intel Pentium-4-M 1.9GHz - EXT4 at 
sda2

Registered Linux User #380263

Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Brian]

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 13:59:16 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> i wrote:
> > > But why build a new ISO when you already have downloaded a good one ?
> 
> Brian wrote:
> > I don't think Thomas Schmitt was quite saying you cannot boot from USB
> > using boot.img.gz but querying why you should want to.
> 
> I still wonder, but am too shy to ask directly.

There is no problem with 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX' and copying
a netinst 9.3 image to a USB stick. Boots fine and locates the image.
Then I get the dreaded "No kernel modules found...mismatch...kernel
used by this version of the installer...kernel version available in
the archive". Hopefully, a 9.4 image would fix that.

-- 
Brian.

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 05:39:30AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.

It does.

> So Greg what package pulls in
> the things we need for internet?  I know its not network-manager.

A default install of stretch does not have the ifconfig command.
It has the ip command (which is in the iproute2 package).

You may install net-tools if you want to use the ifconfig command,
because it's what you're familiar with.  That's your choice.

Basic network setup in Debian involves editing the /etc/network/interfaces
file with a text editor, and using ifdown and ifup commands, or rebooting.
You don't actually have to run the ifconfig OR the ip command, unless
you have unusual needs.

(Or, even more basic than this, the installer does it all for you and
you never even see it at all.  For many people, this is perfect.)

Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Brian wrote:
> There is no problem with 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX' and copying
> a netinst 9.3 image to a USB stick. Boots fine and locates the image.
> Then I get the dreaded "No kernel modules found...mismatch...kernel
> used by this version of the installer...kernel version available in
> the archive". Hopefully, a 9.4 image would fix that.

Smells like bit rot.

  
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=debian-installer
yields
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891964
  "Unable to install Debian Buster from buster mini.iso"
  Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:03:01 UTC
with
  "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between"

Does the 9.3 ISO work properly if not wrapped in boot.img ?
(I.e. copied directly to /dev/sdX by cp or dd.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: how to use boot.img.gz

[Brian]

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 15:56:03 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Brian wrote:
> > There is no problem with 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX' and copying
> > a netinst 9.3 image to a USB stick. Boots fine and locates the image.
> > Then I get the dreaded "No kernel modules found...mismatch...kernel
> > used by this version of the installer...kernel version available in
> > the archive". Hopefully, a 9.4 image would fix that.
> 
> Smells like bit rot.

No such message with a 9.4 image. I think the kernels from boot.img.gz
and the installation image have to match.

>   
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=debian-installer
> yields
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=891964
>   "Unable to install Debian Buster from buster mini.iso"
>   Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:03:01 UTC
> with
>   "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between"
> 
> Does the 9.3 ISO work properly if not wrapped in boot.img ?
> (I.e. copied directly to /dev/sdX by cp or dd.)

No problem there.

-- 
Brian.

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Brian]

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 06:22:46 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could study
> > systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
> > Ethernet Cable disconnected.
> > 
> > It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I (after
> > fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
> > lynx), and still have fun with it.
> > 
> > Does that help?
> 
> That may help a similar problem for me.
> How large was it before "adding a few items"?

If it helps, an i386 installation here (base system only) takes 439M on
an 7.3G partition.

-- 
Brian.

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Glenn English]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 05:39:30AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

>> I was thinking net-tools gave us ifconfig.
>
> It does.

Kinda.

On Buster, ifconfig and its buds are installed automatically. But if
you've written a script parsing ifconfig, you'll have to make some
changes because it's output is not the same as it used to be. Close,
but slightly different words and  data. Just enough to provide
gibberish to my scripts.

And there's the issue with the new interface labels...

-- 
Glenn English

Re: I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Kenneth Parker]

I kept the tarball of the resulring System, before installing anything
(because tar is on the Minimal System).  However, I could not find that
tarball last night.

I believe (via Skimming) that someone else answered you.

Kenneth Parker

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 7:23 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 04/23/2018 03:38 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > When I recently wanted a *truly* Minimal Debian 8 system (so I could
> study
> > systemd from the ground up), I installed from the "netinst"  CD, with the
> > Ethernet Cable disconnected.
> >
> > It gave me Exactly what I was looking for, took little space, and I
> (after
> > fixing /etc/apt/sources.list) was able to add a few items (i.e. Emacs and
> > lynx), and still have fun with it.
> >
> > Does that help?
> >
>
> That may help a similar problem for me.
> How large was it before "adding a few items"?
> TIA
>
>
>
>

Jessie: No logrotate since October 2016?

[John Cunningham]

Howdy,

I just noticed that logrotate hasn't been running since October 2016 on one
of my Jessie boxes.  Manually running logrotate works without issue. This
is approximately the time I upgraded it from Wheezy. I hate to wade into
the pool of systemd hate, but is this systemd's fault? I noticed
anacron doesn't exist on this system. Is it supposed to anymore? Or is that
one of the things that have been deprecated? If so, how are the
/etc/cron.daily jobs getting run these days?

I cheated and added logrotate to root's crontab as an ugly hack to get them
rotating. What is the *right* way to get it going again?

Thanks,

--John

Re: Jessie: No logrotate since October 2016?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2018-04-24 16:40 +, John Cunningham wrote:

> I just noticed that logrotate hasn't been running since October 2016 on one
> of my Jessie boxes.  Manually running logrotate works without issue. This
> is approximately the time I upgraded it from Wheezy. I hate to wade into
> the pool of systemd hate, but is this systemd's fault?

No.

> I noticed
> anacron doesn't exist on this system. Is it supposed to anymore? Or is that
> one of the things that have been deprecated? If so, how are the
> /etc/cron.daily jobs getting run these days?

If your system is not running 24/7, then anacron is very much
recommended.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Jessie: No logrotate since October 2016?

[Boyan Penkov]

In this vein, is there a way to intelligently indicate to the system 
that this is the case, and automatically read the crontab, then write an 
intelligent anacrontab with sane defaults?


Cheers!

On 04/24/2018 02:04 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

If your system is not running 24/7, then anacron is very much
recommended.

Cheers,
Sven

Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

[David Wright]

On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 11:00:34 (+0200), Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Kenneth Parker:
> > One more thing.  I'm now learning, quickly, about recent changes, such as
> > the net-tools to iproute2 transition which, as I look at my other running
> > systems, has been going for a while,
> 
> It has been going on since at least 2008, so calling these changes
> "recent" uses a quite flexible definition of that word. :)

Perhaps they seem recent to people who don't stray from the defaults.

I looked back and saw that ip arrived with woody in July 2002,
but was probably around a bit before that when woody≡testing.
Took me at least seven years to discover.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Jessie: No logrotate since October 2016?

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:09:06 -0400
Boyan Penkov  wrote:

Hello Boyan,

>that this is the case, and automatically read the crontab, then write
>an intelligent anacrontab with sane defaults?

From the anacron page on packages.debian.org;

This package is pre-configured to execute the daily jobs of the Debian
system. You should install this program if your system isn't powered on
24 hours a day to make sure the maintenance jobs of other Debian
packages are executed each day.

Not a full answer, but gets you part way to where you want to be, I hope.

-- 
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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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postfix "delivery-date" - how to?

[Kamil Jońca]

Exim has a nice feature: it puts "Delivery-date" header when terminates
delivery to pipe/mailbox.

Is it posible with postfix?
KJ

-- 
http://wolnelektury.pl/wesprzyj/teraz/
Down with categorical imperative!

Re: Email tutorial?

[mark]

On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:56:06 PM EDT J.W. Foster wrote:
> I am trying once again to get an email server to run on my server. I NEED a
> qualified tutorial or some real assistance in getting it operational and
> secure. I am aware that there are MANY primers or docs on this. Problem is
> they like most are done for an individuals system and are not really
> designed for my system. So here is what I'm working with:
> 1. all IP addresses are DHCP regulated by Spectrum internet.

<>

No offense ment, but without a static IP address for mail to be sent to, you 
anot able to run a mail server.  Why not?  Think of it this way: you live on a 
street with a row of houses (to make this simple, don't consider multiple 
streets or different blocks with the same house numbers as your block.).  You 
are in house #1.  "Snail Mail" can be sent to you as long as house #1 is 
specified.   Every couple of nights, someone comes along and takes the numbers 
off of the houses and puts them back on randomly.  Now mail going to you (#1) 
may be delivered to a different house that now has the #1 on it.

DHCP is like that, with an added twist:  When IP address change, in order for 
you to get the e-mail an association between your IP-address and your physicla 
computer, the change has to be broadcast to all the IP servers on the Internet 
before you will be able to receive mail again.  That change can take days.

So, step 1 for you is to either spend the money on a static IP address or 
check out one of the services that will show the Internet one IP address for 
you, and will keep track of yours when it changes.  My expericence with those 
is that you will, from time to time, lose e-mail.  If you are serious about 
setting up a mail server, then complete step 1.

Mark

Re: Email tutorial?

[Joe]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:56:06 + (UTC)
"J.W. Foster"  wrote:

> I am trying once again to get an email server to run on my server. I
> NEED a qualified tutorial or some real assistance in getting it
> operational and secure. I am aware that there are MANY primers or
> docs on this. Problem is they like most are done for an individuals
> system and are not really designed for my system. So here is what
> I'm working with:1. all IP addresses are DHCP regulated by
> Spectrum internet.2. I do have a fully functioning Mediawiki website
> running on this server and it is just fine. Spectrum doesn't often
> change the IP addresses.3. I have installed Dovecot and Postfix out
> of the box with no changes, for MTA and mail server4. I have
> Thunderbird as my MUI.5. All this is running on a system using Debian
> 9 (stable) with plenty of CPU and memory horsepower for the job. I
> want to use this system to both send and receive email ONLY for this
> server. There is only one user account currently and that is mine. I
> need to be able to allow my Mediawiki system send replies to my
> membership and to receive queries and emails from that membership.
> Ther may be additional user accounts that need to be set up but for
> now, only mine. I have been sort of able to send a few test emails to
> my secondary testing account locally. Sending to an outside system
> such as my own Gmail or Yahoo simply does not work. I was getting an
> error message but I reinstalled everything again and am still
> getting that message> An error occurred while sending mail. The mail
> server responded:  4.7.1 : Relay access
> denied.

As you say yourself, every mail server application is different, and it
is difficult to make a tutorial that will be all things to all men.

What you want to do is actually quite simple, and would easily be
covered by the configuration dialog that dpkg runs for exim4, and there
may be a problem for you: exim4 is the default Debian mail server, and
most of us will not be familiar with Postfix. I know that I set up a
Postfix server ten or fifteen years ago, but I remember nothing of it,
I've only used exim4 since then.

It sounds like your outside sending problem involves telling Postfix
who is actually allowed to use it: exim4 has two configurations for
this, networks which have unconditional relaying permission and domains
which have relaying permission. Postfix must have some similar
equivalent. Does the Debian page not help sufficiently?
https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix

-- 
Joe

Re: Email tutorial?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 04:25:56PM -0400, m...@neidorff.com wrote:
> DHCP is like that, with an added twist:  When IP address change, in order for 
> you to get the e-mail an association between your IP-address and your 
> physicla 
> computer, the change has to be broadcast to all the IP servers on the 
> Internet 
> before you will be able to receive mail again.  That change can take days.

I know it's just an analogy, but this part is a bit misleading.  DNS
entries have a configurable "time to live" field, measured in seconds,
which tells caching DNS resolvers how long they're allowed to keep the
old addresses in memory before they have to check again for a changed
address record.

On a dynamic DNS setup meant for home users, the TTL is usually set
extremely low, like 60 seconds or 300 seconds.  It shouldn't take "days"
for an address change.

Also, DNS is not "broadcast to all IP servers".  Resolvers only ask
for the IP address records as needed.  At any given moment, only a
minuscule fraction of all the DNS resolvers in the world will have one
of your domain's records in memory, unless you are Google or YouTube
or Facebook.

> So, step 1 for you is to either spend the money on a static IP address or 
> check out one of the services that will show the Internet one IP address for 
> you, and will keep track of yours when it changes.  My expericence with those 
> is that you will, from time to time, lose e-mail.  If you are serious about 
> setting up a mail server, then complete step 1.

A third option is to rent a (virtual) server somewhere, and run your
email from there.  It will probably cost you a lot less than a static IP
address from your cable company (I don't actually know what Spectrum
charges for this, but it's probably more than $5 a month, and you can
certainly get a VPS at that price point).

Of course, there are drawbacks to all of these options, so you will have
to make your own decisions.

I wish put another Debian, and with its command line.

[Gdsi]

Hi again.
My the wish is to have littlest OS, for more clear view on it. 
If I was not afraid wipe out MBR, I shall have made a very small partition and 
was reinstalling the OS from the flash drive in case of errors many times.
Many thanks for consultations, now I long shall not bother to you, (beginning 
work will be a dark forest for me).
Thank.

Re: Email tutorial?

[mick crane]

On 2018-04-24 20:56, J.W. Foster wrote:


An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
4.7.1 : Relay access denied.


if using external SMTP server you sometimes have to register who is 
allowed to send mail with them.
I had problem not been able to send mail when changed domain name but 
can't remember just now how resolved it.


mick

--
Key ID4BFEBB31

RME Hammerfall / VLC

[Glenn English]

Debian Buster, RME Hammerfall soundcard, VLC 3.0.1

Already looked at the VLC site and found nothing useful, so I whine to
the audio gurus on this list.

Audacity works fine playing mp3s and flacs (meters bounce, sound in
the headphones). But VLC is dead (nothing, and the VLC site suggests
that I go to menu items that don't exist. But my card is in VLC's list
of cards (audio->audio device)).

Does anyone in this list know what may be going on?

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Email tutorial?

[John Crawley (johnraff)]

On 2018-04-25 06:07, mick crane wrote:

On 2018-04-24 20:56, J.W. Foster wrote:


An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
4.7.1 : Relay access denied.


if using external SMTP server you sometimes have to register who is 
allowed to send mail with them.
I had problem not been able to send mail when changed domain name but 
can't remember just now how resolved it.


mick

Yahoo changed something recently, and many email services now reject  
mails marked as from a yahoo address if they haven't been sent from a  
yahoo server:

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN24016.html
My email account recently bounced some messages from this list for that  
reason.



--
John

Re: Email tutorial?

[tomas]

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On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:16:13AM +0900, John Crawley (johnraff) wrote:
> On 2018-04-25 06:07, mick crane wrote:
> >On 2018-04-24 20:56, J.W. Foster wrote:
> >
> >>An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
> >>4.7.1 : Relay access denied.
> >
> >if using external SMTP server you sometimes have to register who
> >isallowed to send mail with them.
> >I had problem not been able to send mail when changed domain name
> >butcan't remember just now how resolved it.
> >
> >mick
> >
> Yahoo changed something recently, and many email services now reject
> mails marked as from a yahoo address if they haven't been sent from
> a yahoo server:

Which makes sense: otherwise, I could, as any random unauthenticated
spammer, spam all of yahoo customers as much as I wanted.

> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN24016.html
> My email account recently bounced some messages from this list for
> that reason.

Are mails from this list "marked as from a yahoo address"? I strongly
doubt that. FWIW, I see them coming from "lists.debian.org", as they
should...

Cheers
- -- tomás
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