Re: Proper sources list from Jessie > Stretch

[Dejan Jocic]

On 01-06-17, Fjfj109 wrote:
> Hi - wondering if with a standard sources list in Jessie (or any stable):
> 
> deb
> http://deb.debian.org/debian
> jessie main
> deb-src
> http://deb.debian.org/debian
> jessie main
> 
> deb
> http://deb.debian.org/debian
> jessie-updates main
> deb-src
> http://deb.debian.org/debian
> jessie-updates main
> 
> deb
> http://security.debian.org/
> jessie/updates main
> deb-src
> http://security.debian.org/
> jessie/updates main
> 
> Whether it's enough to simply change jessie to stretch (or testing, or 
> sid/unstable, whatever) and everything is fine?

It is usually enough to change it to stretch, if you follow it up with
all those update and upgrade commands. And read release documentation.
But it is not good to go from stable directly to unstable. If you want
to go to unstable, you first go to testing. Then, when you are sure that
everything went fine, you switch to unstable. And, you make backup of
your important data. Just in case.

Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

[Dan Purgert]

Curt wrote:
> On 2017-05-26, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>>> 
>> It seems like you read my original problem as slowness accessing the 
>> internet. That isn't the problem, I'm concerned about intra-LAN speeds. 
>> Haven't even got the length of worrying about internet speeds yet, since 
>> there are so many variables that can impact that, I have to be sure my 
>> end is in tip-top shape before I start poking at that.
>
> Intra-LAN speeds; I thought you were speaking of transferring a movie
> file(?) between two computers on your LAN [...]

Think he goofed the word, but intranet ("LAN") speeds would affect
transferring a movie.

> [...] which couldn't proceed any faster than the receiving end could
> write that file to disk? I mean, would that not be a limiting factor,
> even with a quantum link?

I/O speeds of the drives are definitely a factor -- but pretty much
anything relatively decent (i.e. not those godawful 5400 RPM laptop
drives) can read fast enough to saturate a wifi link.  On the "writing"
side, it's buffered to RAM first, so that'll help (even with a godawful
slow 5400 RPM laptop drive).

SSD's shouldn't have much trouble (though, does kind of depend on the
SATA bus).



>
>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: Problem with offlineimap

[Jochen Spieker]

marcelol...@gmail.com:
> 
> ~$ openssl s_client -connect imap.ufvjm.edu.br:993
> ---
> Certificate chain
>  0 s:/C=BR/CN=imap.ufvjm.edu.br
>i:/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=StartCom Certification Authority/CN=StartCom
> Class 1 DV Server CA
>  1 s:/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=StartCom Certification Authority/CN=StartCom
> Class 1 DV Server CA
>i:/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=Secure Digital Certificate Signing/CN=StartCom
> Certification Authority
>  2 s:/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=Secure Digital Certificate Signing/CN=StartCom
> Certification Authority
>i:/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=Secure Digital Certificate Signing/CN=StartCom
> Certification Authority

Looks good to me. The final certificate is self-signed but that is
expected for a root certificate of a CA, but …

> Verification error: self signed certificate in certificate chain

… apparently OpenSSL doesn't like that. I don't know why this happens.
In any case, you cannot change anything wrt to this certificate chain
unless you are (or can influence) the administrator of
imap.ufvjm.edu.br.

> offlineimap returns
> 
> ERROR: Unknown SSL protocol connecting to host 'imap.ufvjm.edu.br' for
> repository 'X-Remote'. OpenSSL responded:
> [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:661)

Same issue here (probably because offlineimap uses OpenSSL).
Offlineimap's manpage suggests that by default it doesn't check
certificates at all (at least on jessie), but apparently it still does.

You could either try to add the CA certificate into /etc/ssl/certs or
add the certificate of the remote endpoint into your offlineimap
remote configuration using "cert_fingerprint" as suggested here:
https://github.com/OfflineIMAP/offlineimap/issues/322

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you exactly how to do either.

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Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

[Mark Fletcher]

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 05:08:16PM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2017-05-26, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
> >> 
> > It seems like you read my original problem as slowness accessing the 
> > internet. That isn't the problem, I'm concerned about intra-LAN speeds. 
> > Haven't even got the length of worrying about internet speeds yet, since 
> > there are so many variables that can impact that, I have to be sure my 
> > end is in tip-top shape before I start poking at that.
> 
> Intra-LAN speeds; I thought you were speaking of transferring a movie file(?)
> between two computers on your LAN, which couldn't proceed any faster than the
> receiving end could write that file to disk? I mean, would that not be a
> limiting factor, even with a quantum link?
> 
> 
Yes. And writing to a disk (a laptop hard disk in this case) is going to 
be a lot faster than what I can transfer over the LAN, I would have 
thought. Not sure what your point is here, don't think I've got it.

Mark

Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell)

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/31/2017 04:41 PM, Anil Duggirala wrote:

[snip]

... Is it possible that
installing Mate caused trouble of some sort. ...
I appreciate any help. For now, my plan, when I have time, is to
reinstall Debian Stretch, dont touch anything and configure to load
intel driver, and hope that any issues have been resolved.
thanks,



Stretch is due to make the transition from Testing to Stable in about 
two weeks IIRC. There are several upstream bug fixes for Mate in the 
works for that transition.

Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

[Mark Fletcher]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 10:39:07AM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > On 2017-05-26, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
> >>> 
> >> It seems like you read my original problem as slowness accessing the 
> >> internet. That isn't the problem, I'm concerned about intra-LAN speeds. 
> >> Haven't even got the length of worrying about internet speeds yet, since 
> >> there are so many variables that can impact that, I have to be sure my 
> >> end is in tip-top shape before I start poking at that.
> >
> > Intra-LAN speeds; I thought you were speaking of transferring a movie
> > file(?) between two computers on your LAN [...]
> 
> Think he goofed the word, but intranet ("LAN") speeds would affect
> transferring a movie.
> 

No "goof"ing involved, thank you very much -- at least not at this end. 
Intra-LAN means exactly what it says -- inside the LAN. "Inter" means 
"between" -- "intra" means "inside". You seem like a native speaker of 
English, I would have expected you to know that. Apologies if I am 
wrong.

The original reference was in reply to a reply to my original post, in 
which the replier explained how their inTER-LAN, that is from one 
network to another (local LAN to internet, in this case) connection was 
set up -- indicating the poster of that reply had not understood what I 
was trying to do.

> > [...] which couldn't proceed any faster than the receiving end could
> > write that file to disk? I mean, would that not be a limiting factor,
> > even with a quantum link?
> 
> I/O speeds of the drives are definitely a factor -- but pretty much
> anything relatively decent (i.e. not those godawful 5400 RPM laptop
> drives) can read fast enough to saturate a wifi link.  On the "writing"
> side, it's buffered to RAM first, so that'll help (even with a godawful
> slow 5400 RPM laptop drive).
> 
> SSD's shouldn't have much trouble (though, does kind of depend on the
> SATA bus).
> 

Receiver is a high-end laptop hard disk. Based on regular usage of the 
laptop I am extremely confident it is fast enough to not be a factor.  
The overall machine is pretty zippy, even hobbled as it is by Windows 
8.1. The sending end is an SSD mounted on a machine running Jessie. 
Again intra-machine (that word again!) suggest the machine itself is 
healthy and performant.

Next steps on this are for me to follow the advice I've received here 
and try iperf, which I will hopefully have time to do this weekend. I 
see there is a Windows version and that the Linux version is part of 
Jessie. I don't think I am going to have a lot of luck with running on 
my AP as it is not, to my knowledge, running an OS that will let me run 
arbitrary software (and I think I'd sort of be uncomfortable if it were) 
but at least I can put iperf on the two endpoint machines, and on two 
wired LAN machines, and compare. I will post back here if I find 
something interesting.

Mark

Re: Proper sources list from Jessie > Stretch

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 09:19:29AM +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 01-06-17, Fjfj109 wrote:
> > Hi - wondering if with a standard sources list in Jessie (or any stable):

> It is usually enough to change it to stretch, if you follow it up with
> all those update and upgrade commands. And read release documentation.
> But it is not good to go from stable directly to unstable. If you want
> to go to unstable, you first go to testing. Then, when you are sure that
> everything went fine, you switch to unstable. And, you make backup of
> your important data. Just in case.

This is odd advice. (Not the bit about backups. Backups are
always important.)

Stretch will become the new stable in a few weeks.  Changing
to "stretch" will make that transition early, but changing to
"unstable" will make that transition and then, after stretch
becomes stable, will incur a lot of package churn and breakage.

If this discussion happened a year ago, the question would be
whether you really wanted to go to testing or to unstable. They
have different purposes.

-dsr-

-dsr-

Discovering alternative commands

[Richard Owlett]

I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of disk 
partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).


I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for 
different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information. 
Neither is ideal for me.


Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
1. what other commands should I look at?
2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?

A contrived example of the later, you've come across an unfamiliar word. 
Depending on your needs you might consult a thesaurus, encyclopedia, or 
dictionary. If a dictionary is indicated, it may be bilingual, idioms, 
abridged, or unabridged etc.


TIA

Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was shut 
down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service.


I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version.

Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I am 
use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically set up 
the hard drive.  Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects more 
knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have three HD's 
Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first dirge (hda)


My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution as 
all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS (i 
already know how to do that).


I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem.

Thanks in advance.

--
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Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

[メット]

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On 2017年6月1日 20:21:51 JST, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 10:39:07AM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>> > On 2017-05-26, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >> It seems like you read my original problem as slowness accessing
>the
>> >> internet. That isn't the problem, I'm concerned about intra-LAN
>speeds.
>> >> Haven't even got the length of worrying about internet speeds yet,
>since
>> >> there are so many variables that can impact that, I have to be
>sure my
>> >> end is in tip-top shape before I start poking at that.
>> >
>> > Intra-LAN speeds; I thought you were speaking of transferring a
>movie
>> > file(?) between two computers on your LAN [...]
>>
>> Think he goofed the word, but intranet ("LAN") speeds would affect
>> transferring a movie.
>>
>
>No "goof"ing involved, thank you very much -- at least not at this end.
>
>Intra-LAN means exactly what it says -- inside the LAN. "Inter" means
>"between" -- "intra" means "inside". You seem like a native speaker of
>English, I would have expected you to know that. Apologies if I am
>wrong.
>
>The original reference was in reply to a reply to my original post, in
>which the replier explained how their inTER-LAN, that is from one
>network to another (local LAN to internet, in this case) connection was
>
>set up -- indicating the poster of that reply had not understood what I
>
>was trying to do.
>
>> > [...] which couldn't proceed any faster than the receiving end
>could
>> > write that file to disk? I mean, would that not be a limiting
>factor,
>> > even with a quantum link?
>>
>> I/O speeds of the drives are definitely a factor -- but pretty much
>> anything relatively decent (i.e. not those godawful 5400 RPM laptop
>> drives) can read fast enough to saturate a wifi link.  On the
>"writing"
>> side, it's buffered to RAM first, so that'll help (even with a
>godawful
>> slow 5400 RPM laptop drive).
>>
>> SSD's shouldn't have much trouble (though, does kind of depend on the
>> SATA bus).
>>
>
>Receiver is a high-end laptop hard disk. Based on regular usage of the
>laptop I am extremely confident it is fast enough to not be a factor.
>The overall machine is pretty zippy, even hobbled as it is by Windows
>8.1. The sending end is an SSD mounted on a machine running Jessie.
>Again intra-machine (that word again!) suggest the machine itself is
>healthy and performant.
>
>Next steps on this are for me to follow the advice I've received here
>and try iperf, which I will hopefully have time to do this weekend. I
>see there is a Windows version and that the Linux version is part of
>Jessie. I don't think I am going to have a lot of luck with running on
>my AP as it is not, to my knowledge, running an OS that will let me run
>
>arbitrary software (and I think I'd sort of be uncomfortable if it
>were)
>but at least I can put iperf on the two endpoint machines, and on two
>wired LAN machines, and compare. I will post back here if I find
>something interesting.
>
>Mark

Try the 2 pc back2back first
and u ll huv an idea of the max speed u can get
HTH
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Re: Discovering alternative commands

[tomas]

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of
> disk partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).
> 
> I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
> different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
> Neither is ideal for me.

You're always so whimsical :)

Do those commands provide the information you need, albeit in a wrong
format, or is anything truly amiss?

> Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
> 1. what other commands should I look at?
> 2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?

Your requests for help tend to contain restrictions which sometimes
are difficult to grasp for your interlocutors. To you, of course, these
restrictions seem natural, because they are the result of a thought
process you have access to -- but consider that we don't. Sometimes
those restrictions seem artificial, without the context, and I'm left
left wondering whether it's that I'm not understanding your request
or whether it's you excluding a viable possibility.

So is it the output's content or their form what isn't up to your
needs?

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Richard Owlett]

It has been suggested that I could be useful by testing older bugs to 
see if they could be closed -- i.e. a fix for another problem or a 
general upgrade has fixed the problem.


I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally 
filed.

  reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".
  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
 but not "date opened".

A second question concerns the progress of a package from experimental 
to stable.


A case in point - Tomboy 1.15.8  has just been released by upstream.It 
was suggested on the Tomboy mailing list that I file Debian bug to use 
the latest release.

Currently
stretch (testing) and sid (unstable) are at 1.14.1-4
experimental (rc-buggy) is at 1.15.4-1+b1
Would that indicate whether or not a bug report is needed?

TIA

Re: Discovering alternative commands

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2017 08:14 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of
disk partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).

I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
Neither is ideal for me.


You're always so whimsical :)


*ROFL* I disagree.
My questions may be weird, obtuse, or convoluted. Rarely, if ever, 
whimsical ;)

What people have said about my world view for >70 yrs best left ...



Do those commands provide the information you need, albeit in a wrong
format, or is anything truly amiss?


Yes.




Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
1. what other commands should I look at?


That is EXPLICITLY the intended question.
I've in the past have had teachers who would pick grammatical/syntactic 
nits who would have asserted that "can" would would have a better word 
choice than "should". [P.S. linguistics is an semantically fascinating 
universe of discourse ;]


I terms of set theory ;}
Please enumerate those commands which can report all partition ids and 
associated labels.

That specifies the appropriate necessary and sufficient conditions.
Literally the best way to interpret my questions is literally.


2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?


Your requests for help tend to contain restrictions which sometimes
are difficult to grasp for your interlocutors.


I'll paraphrase a hermeneutics professor "If the plain sense makes 
common sense, seek no other sense."



To you, of course, these
restrictions seem natural, because they are the result of a thought
process you have access to -- but consider that we don't. Sometimes
those restrictions seem artificial, without the context, and I'm left
left wondering whether it's that I'm not understanding your request
or whether it's you excluding a viable possibility.

So is it the output's content or their form what isn't up to your
needs?


Neither.
One, of many, things that prompted me ask if either was preferable is 
one requires root privileges and the other not.

Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 08:30:33 (-0400), Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was
> shut down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service.
> 
> I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version.
> 
> Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I
> am use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically
> set up the hard drive.  Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects
> more knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have
> three HD's Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first
> dirge (hda)

It might help to know _what_ knowledge is being demanded of you.
It's odd; I've run both 32bit and 64bit installers and can't see
a difference apart from the names of certain items like the
kernel version.

When you arrive at this screen:

  ┌┤ [!!] Partition disks 
├─┐   
  │ 
│   
  │ This is an overview of your currently configured partitions and mount 
points.   │   
  │ Select a partition to modify its settings (file system, mount point, etc.), 
a   │   
  │ free space to create partitions, or a device to initialize its partition
│   
  │ table.  
│   
  │ 
│   
  │  Guided partitioning
│   
  │  Configure software RAID
│   
  │  Configure the Logical Volume Manager   
│   
  │  Configure encrypted volumes
│   
  │  Configure iSCSI volumes
│   
  │ 
│   
  │  SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 
│   
  │  > #1  primary  20.0 GB  B ext4 
│   
  │  > #2  primary  20.0 GBext4 
│   
  │  > #3  primary  19.0 GBext4 
│   
  │  > #4  primary   1.0 GB F  swapswap 
│   
  │  SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk
│   
  │ 
│   
  │  Undo changes to partitions 
│   
  │  Finish partitioning and write changes to disk  
│   
  │ 
│   
  │
│   
  │ 
│   
  
└─┘
   

where I see my USB installer stick (still plugged in), you'll also see
your other two hard drives which you can just ignore.

Or, if push comes to shove, you could always perform the entire Debian
installation with two drives disconnected; just unplug their data cables.

> My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution
> as all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit
> OS (i already know how to do that).

What were you searching for?

> I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem.

Cheers,
David.

Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[SUZANNE COBB]

List, good afternoon,

I am using a script to check and update a dynamic IP address in our DNS 
records.  I have tried to add a date and time output to a log file which 
records IP address changes and updates - but the change I inserted is not 
working.  I think the problem is that I have not understood correctly how to 
capture the *text* of the date and time, and then add it to a script 'echo' 
output line.  May I show the two lines I am using?

I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':

dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');

[please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]

I then try to prepend the date and time text (which i anticipate is now in the 
variable 'dt') to a line (the rest of which does work), logging the actual IP 
address change and the domain that needed to change.

echo "%dt" "Changed ${DYN_DOMAIN} from ${registeredIp} to ${externalIp}" >> 
/var/log/updated-ddns.log

[The registeredIp and externalIp and Dyn_Domain elements are working fine.  
This script is based on one provided by our DNS provider, because none of the 
packaged ddns scripts fully match the update scheme required by the provider.  
The updates are working fine, when needed, and so is the log - but only 
recording the nature of the change, not the date/time it changed.]

My problem is only with the dt section.  I looked in the doc sections of the 
Debian installation and there are some scripting howtos etc, but they're fairly 
introductory and I didn't find one that introduced the notion of how to set a 
variable with some text, and then use it. This is the first time I've tried to 
assign some text, and I would think I'm missing something fundamental.  If 
anyone would care to comment, I'd be very pleased to understand why the date 
assignment, and its output on the logging line, is not working in the way that 
I had thought would happen.

Grateful for any comments,

regards, Ron

Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally
> filed.
>   reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".
>   https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
>  but not "date opened".

The bug numbers increase monotonically, so larger numbers are guaranteed
to have been filed after smaller numbers. By default the BTS sorts them
numerically which is also the order filed.

> A second question concerns the progress of a package from experimental to
> stable.
> 
> A case in point - Tomboy 1.15.8  has just been released by upstream.It was
> suggested on the Tomboy mailing list that I file Debian bug to use the
> latest release.
> Currently
> stretch (testing) and sid (unstable) are at 1.14.1-4
> experimental (rc-buggy) is at 1.15.4-1+b1
> Would that indicate whether or not a bug report is needed?

You could file a wishlist bug requesting a new version if there wasn't
already one filed.

It would only end up in experimental, not unstable, though.

-- 
Don Armstrong  https://www.donarmstrong.com

If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
 -- Lowery's Law

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 14:26:00 (+), SUZANNE COBB wrote:
> List, good afternoon,
> 
> I am using a script to check and update a dynamic IP address in our DNS 
> records.  I have tried to add a date and time output to a log file which 
> records IP address changes and updates - but the change I inserted is not 
> working.  I think the problem is that I have not understood correctly how to 
> capture the *text* of the date and time, and then add it to a script 'echo' 
> output line.  May I show the two lines I am using?
> 
> I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':
> 
> dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');
> 
> [please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]

Remove the first of them. Your line will set dt to nothing,
then it will try to run the output of date as a command.
"01/06/2017" is not a very useful command.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 02:26:00PM +, SUZANNE COBB wrote:
> I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':
> 
> dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');
> 
> [please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]

The space after = is wrong.  It will not work.  You must remove it.

The ; at the end of the line is optional.  You may remove that too.

> echo "%dt" "Changed ${DYN_DOMAIN} from ${registeredIp} to ${externalIp}" >> 
> /var/log/updated-ddns.log

%dt is not how you reference a shell variable.  It should be $dt.  Of
course, that won't do anything currently, because your dt variable has
not been set, because your assignment command was wrong.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Nicolas George]

Le tridi 13 prairial, an CCXXV, SUZANNE COBB a écrit :
> I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':
> 
> dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');
> 
> [please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]

Well, fix it! This line executes the output of date as a command with
the dt environment variable set to an empty string. Variable
affectations do not have spaces around the equal.

Also, for scripting, you will want %Y-%m-%d, because it offers a lexical
order. And for maximum reliability, include the timezone or set it to
UTC. I strongly suggest you just use the ISO date format.

> echo "%dt" "Changed ${DYN_DOMAIN} from ${registeredIp} to ${externalIp}" >> 
> /var/log/updated-ddns.log
^
Your detox from windows batch scripting was only partially successful.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, SUZANNE COBB wrote:
> I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':
> 
> dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');
> 
> echo "%dt" "Changed ${DYN_DOMAIN} from ${registeredIp} to ${externalIp}" >> 
> /var/log/updated-ddns.log

I think you want echo "$dt" "Cha[...].

% is generally only used to refer to a job specification.

Finally, you're probably better off using the "logger" command in
util-linux to write to log files, not appending to a file directly.

-- 
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"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs. [...] We
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Re: Discovering alternative commands

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of disk
> partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).
> 
> I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for different
> purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information. Neither is ideal
> for me.
> 
> Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
> 1. what other commands should I look at?

Trivially, ls -al on /dev/disks/by* can show you a bunch of
things. You are probably already aware of the contents of
/proc/partitions and /proc/mounts, but I'll mention them anyway.




> 2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?

Not as such, but...

apropos partition
  will tell you about installed commands which have a man page
  prominently mentioning the word "partition".

  In this case you would also want to run apropos against
  "label" and "block".

  running "man -k" is almost the same; apropos takes more
  options.


-dsr-

Re: Discovering alternative commands

[tomas]

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 09:20:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/01/2017 08:14 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> >You're always so whimsical :)
> 
> *ROFL* I disagree.

Yes, I expected that. It's a perception thing.

> My questions may be weird, obtuse, or convoluted. Rarely, if ever,
> whimsical ;)
> What people have said about my world view for >70 yrs best left ...
> 
> >
> >Do those commands provide the information you need, albeit in a wrong
> >format, or is anything truly amiss?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >
> >>Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
> >>1. what other commands should I look at?
> 
> That is EXPLICITLY the intended question.

Then I'll have to throw up my hands: up to now I could make do with
those. But I see Dan has taken over.

Cheers
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Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Ron Leach]

People are so generous with their time.

I hadn't realised that spaces were sometimes semantically relevant.  (And I 
liked Nicolas's detox joke, well done.)

Thanks very much for all the advice.  I'm using webmail, and I cannot reply in 
thread to any one message (the inbound messages have been fetchmail'd to a 
dovecot system here), so I am sorry if this acknowledgement appears unthreaded. 
Apologies, too, for not having noticed that Suzanne's name had still been in 
the From record.  I've had this account for many years, and until now had 
always used it via direct authenticated smtp submission but, because of some 
connectivity problems here, I'd posted using the webmail user agent which does 
not display the from name on the composition screen.  I think it's fixed, now, 
we'll see.  For the record, I had sent my original message, not she.

Many thanks, again,

regards, Ron


- Original Message -
From: SUZANNE COBB 
To: Debian Users 
Sent: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 14:26:00 - (UTC)
Subject: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

List, good afternoon,

I am using a script to check and update a dynamic IP address in our DNS 
records.  I have tried to add a date and time output to a log file which 
records IP address changes and updates - but the change I inserted is not 
working.  I think the problem is that I have not understood correctly how to 
capture the *text* of the date and time, and then add it to a script 'echo' 
output line.  May I show the two lines I am using?

I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':

dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');

[please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]

I then try to prepend the date and time text (which i anticipate is now in the 
variable 'dt') to a line (the rest of which does work), logging the actual IP 
address change and the domain that needed to change.

echo "%dt" "Changed ${DYN_DOMAIN} from ${registeredIp} to ${externalIp}" >> 
/var/log/updated-ddns.log

[The registeredIp and externalIp and Dyn_Domain elements are working fine.  
This script is based on one provided by our DNS provider, because none of the 
packaged ddns scripts fully match the update scheme required by the provider.  
The updates are working fine, when needed, and so is the log - but only 
recording the nature of the change, not the date/time it changed.]

My problem is only with the dt section.  I looked in the doc sections of the 
Debian installation and there are some scripting howtos etc, but they're fairly 
introductory and I didn't find one that introduced the notion of how to set a 
variable with some text, and then use it. This is the first time I've tried to 
assign some text, and I would think I'm missing something fundamental.  If 
anyone would care to comment, I'd be very pleased to understand why the date 
assignment, and its output on the logging line, is not working in the way that 
I had thought would happen.

Grateful for any comments,

regards, Ron

Re: Discovering alternative commands

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 09:20:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/01/2017 08:14 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of
> >>disk partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).
> >>
> >>I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
> >>different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
> >>Neither is ideal for me.
> >
> >You're always so whimsical :)
> 
> *ROFL* I disagree.

I agree very much.

> My questions may be weird, obtuse, or convoluted. Rarely, if ever,
> whimsical ;)
> What people have said about my world view for >70 yrs best left ...

The problem with whimsical is that it has two meanings. From the web,
for ease of cut and paste,

1.
playfully quaint or fanciful, especially in an appealing and amusing way.
"a whimsical sense of humor"

No, not that.

2.
acting or behaving in a capricious manner.
"the whimsical arbitrariness of autocracy"

Yes, exactly that. You read people's answers and then pronounce upon
them in accordance with your thinking, which we're not party to
because you rarely if ever reveal it.

As an example, you wrote above:

> >>I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
> >>different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
> >>Neither is ideal for me.

with not a hint of what would be ideal.

> >Do those commands provide the information you need, albeit in a wrong
> >format, or is anything truly amiss?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> >
> >>Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
> >>1. what other commands should I look at?
> 
> That is EXPLICITLY the intended question.

Right. So are we meant to spend time looking for different commands
which, importantly, must reveal must either reveal more information
or the same information in a different way, in order that perchance
it might be more ideal for you?

> I've in the past have had teachers who would pick
> grammatical/syntactic nits who would have asserted that "can" would
> would have a better word choice than "should". [P.S. linguistics is
> an semantically fascinating universe of discourse ;]
> 
> I terms of set theory ;}
> Please enumerate those commands which can report all partition ids
> and associated labels.
> That specifies the appropriate necessary and sufficient conditions.
> Literally the best way to interpret my questions is literally.

Oh, so my question above was wrong. We're expected to find _all_
commands, regardless of whether they might be more ideal or not.

> >>2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?
> >
> >Your requests for help tend to contain restrictions which sometimes
> >are difficult to grasp for your interlocutors.
> 
> I'll paraphrase a hermeneutics professor "If the plain sense makes
> common sense, seek no other sense."
> 
> >To you, of course, these
> >restrictions seem natural, because they are the result of a thought
> >process you have access to -- but consider that we don't. Sometimes
> >those restrictions seem artificial, without the context, and I'm left
> >left wondering whether it's that I'm not understanding your request
> >or whether it's you excluding a viable possibility.
> >
> >So is it the output's content or their form what isn't up to your
> >needs?
> 
> Neither.
> One, of many, things that prompted me ask if either was preferable
> is one requires root privileges and the other not.

So we were wrong all along, and we're _still_ only allowed to know one
thing that prompted you to ask your question, and we weren't told it
before spending time diligently seeking commands which might,
or might not, be ideal for you because they might require root privilege.

Anyway, rather than suggest a command that may or may not be ideal,
I would ask you to look in two places:

/dev/disk/…
/run/udev/data/b*

Plenty of information there to parse.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 03:24:05PM +, Ron Leach wrote:
> People are so generous with their time.
> 
> I hadn't realised that spaces were sometimes semantically relevant.  (And I 
> liked Nicolas's detox joke, well done.)
> 

In all computer languages, the presence or absence of a space
is usually relevant.

In some computer languages, the number of spaces in a row is
critical.

In some computer languages, the kinds of whitespace have
different meanings. (spaces, tabs, line feeds, 25 Unicode
code points...)

-dsr-

Re: Discovering alternative commands

[tomas]

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On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 10:23:58AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 09:20:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 06/01/2017 08:14 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > >Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >>I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of
> > >>disk partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).
> > >>
> > >>I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
> > >>different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
> > >>Neither is ideal for me.
> > >
> > >You're always so whimsical :)
> > 
> > *ROFL* I disagree.
> 
> I agree very much.
> 
> > My questions may be weird, obtuse, or convoluted. Rarely, if ever,
> > whimsical ;)
> > What people have said about my world view for >70 yrs best left ...
> 
> The problem with whimsical is that it has two meanings. From the web,
> for ease of cut and paste,
> 
> 1.
> playfully quaint or fanciful, especially in an appealing and amusing way.
> "a whimsical sense of humor"
> 
> No, not that.
> 
> 2.
> acting or behaving in a capricious manner.
> "the whimsical arbitrariness of autocracy"
> 
> Yes, exactly that. You read people's answers and then pronounce upon
> them in accordance with your thinking, which we're not party to
> because you rarely if ever reveal it.

See? I meant it even slightly differently. From wiktionary:

  Given to whimsy; capricious; odd; peculiar; playful; light-hearted or amusing.

For me, it's something between odd, peculiar, playful and amusing.
I *know* it's some kind of emergent behaviour, and not ill-intentioned
at all. It makes (for me) interaction more difficult, but more
enriching at the same time. And somewhat joyful. So there you go.

> As an example, you wrote above:
> 
> > >>I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
> > >>different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
> > >>Neither is ideal for me.
> 
> with not a hint of what would be ideal.

Context. I once had a boss who functioned as Richard does. He had
a very complicated context in his mind, and when posing a question,
he offered lots of hints, but with some regularity not those his
interlocutors needed. Once I got over that I learnt that this kind
of interaction can be enriching and fun.

People are quite different, and that is a Good Thing :)

> Right. So are we meant to spend time looking for different commands
> which, importantly, must reveal must either reveal more information
> or the same information in a different way, in order that perchance
> it might be more ideal for you?

You always have the choice to throw up your hands (as I did in this
case).

[...]

> Oh, so my question above was wrong. We're expected to find _all_
> commands, regardless of whether they might be more ideal or not.

Don't take that personally. I don't think it's meant like that
(Richard: I'm taking the liberty of second-guessing you. I hope
you set me straight if I'm too wrong!).

Cheers
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Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2017 09:30 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:

I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally
filed.
  reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".


*INCORRECT* I was mislead by combination of visual problems and 
available monitor.
It will sort on bug number. I had only spotted that I could sort on last 
activity.



  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
 but not "date opened".


The bug numbers increase monotonically, so larger numbers are
guaranteed to have been filed after smaller numbers. By default
the BTS sorts them numerically which is also the order filed.


BUT 
 
insists on categorizing the bugs.


I want a simple list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a project:
[bug #] [date submitted] [bug title]





A second question concerns the progress of a package from experimental to
stable.

A case in point - Tomboy 1.15.8  has just been released by upstream.It was
suggested on the Tomboy mailing list that I file Debian bug to use the
latest release.
Currently
stretch (testing) and sid (unstable) are at 1.14.1-4
experimental (rc-buggy) is at 1.15.4-1+b1
Would that indicate whether or not a bug report is needed?


You could file a wishlist bug requesting a new version if there wasn't
already one filed.

It would only end up in experimental, not unstable, though.



Are you saying that without a bug explicitly mentioning Tomboy 1.15.8 
(or later) Debian won't go beyond 1.15.4  ? ??

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Re: Discovering alternative commands

[songbird]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of disk 
> partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).
>
> I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for 
> different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information. 
> Neither is ideal for me.
>
> Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
> 1. what other commands should I look at?
> 2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?
>
> A contrived example of the later, you've come across an unfamiliar word. 
> Depending on your needs you might consult a thesaurus, encyclopedia, or 
> dictionary. If a dictionary is indicated, it may be bilingual, idioms, 
> abridged, or unabridged etc.

  um, for general searching i use either apt-cache or
use synaptic's search function.  that ways you can get
a list of packages which have the word in question
associated with them.  you can specify if you want to
search just the name or include the description.

  for more general searching of interesting bits i use
google or other search engines and add words like debian
or linux to make sure i'm entering the right universe.


  :)


  songbird

Re: drive names and UUIDs, was Re: Intresting dd fsck grub uuid fstab action

[Fungi4All]

 Original Message 
Subject: drive names and UUIDs, was Re: Intresting dd fsck grub uuid fstab 
action
From: joel.r...@gmail.com
To: Fungi4All 

Fungi4All-san,

I'll try explaining what we don't know whether you understand or not.

I understand everything you have written below.

So when you dd a parition/volume, you copy the
UUID for that partition/volume, too.

I asked specifically for this and I never got a straight answer. Is it possible 
though to
copy something and NOT get the same uuid but the partition to retain its 
original uuid?
Because this is what happened. When I made a list of the uuids after dd the 
source and
targets were not all the same. Some had transferred some did not.

And when you dd the whole device, you copy all the UUIDs on every
partition/volume on the device.

I use gparted for partition work. I made a new experiment to see in action what 
may happen
with a usb drive being coppied. The stick had two partitions, ext4, and the 
targets were two
partitions on hd0 (the only hard drive). In this case the targets got the same 
uuids. I tried
over and over again to change the stick's uuid's and gparted will not allow me.

In order to have both the duplicate and the original connected to the
computer at the same time, you have to figure out a way it can tell
them apart.

As far as I can tell when a duplicate exists it just doesn't get mounted. With 
gparted you
see it fine, it is there with a duplicate.

...
If you read through this and understand it, and can tell us what you did
in a way that we can tell you understand this, we can continue to try to
help.

Why don't just skip all this that we are in perfect agreement with and go to 
the juicy part.
After all uuids are unique and fstab are all correct, updating-grub would mix 
match uuids in writing
its grub.cfg
Two uuids on the same entry! Over and over again till I edited it out to 
the correct ones and it all worked.
Why does everyone choses to skip on this issue and keeps explaining me over and 
over
what I have well understood by now?

Grub when installed it has a way of picking up if there is a bootable system in 
each partition and makes a
table of entries/menu-items
Menu 1 Debian 8
Menu 2 Debian 9
Menu 3 Zlumbudu

Here I have one entry Menu2 and within the same instruction two different uuids 
exist, one is the same as
menu 1 the next is the same of menu2  you chose 2 and 1 starts. Over and 
over I tried to update it, it
showed as a new file, the same error. I correct it manually everything works 
great!

--
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delusions of being a novelist:
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Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 08:30:33 (-0400), Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was
shut down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service.

I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version.

Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I
am use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically
set up the hard drive.  Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects
more knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have
three HD's Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first
dirge (hda)


It might help to know _what_ knowledge is being demanded of you.
It's odd; I've run both 32bit and 64bit installers and can't see
a difference apart from the names of certain items like the
kernel version.

When you arrive at this screen:

   ┌┤ [!!] Partition disks 
├─┐
   │
 │
   │ This is an overview of your currently configured partitions and mount 
points.   │
   │ Select a partition to modify its settings (file system, mount point, 
etc.), a   │
   │ free space to create partitions, or a device to initialize its partition   
 │
   │ table. 
 │
   │
 │
   │  Guided partitioning   
 │
   │  Configure software RAID   
 │
   │  Configure the Logical Volume Manager  
 │
   │  Configure encrypted volumes   
 │
   │  Configure iSCSI volumes   
 │
   │
 │
   │  SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0
 │
   │  > #1  primary  20.0 GB  B ext4
 │
   │  > #2  primary  20.0 GBext4
 │
   │  > #3  primary  19.0 GBext4
 │
   │  > #4  primary   1.0 GB F  swapswap
 │
   │  SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk   
 │
   │
 │
   │  Undo changes to partitions
 │
   │  Finish partitioning and write changes to disk 
 │
   │
 │
   │   
 │
   │
 │
   
└─┘

where I see my USB installer stick (still plugged in), you'll also see
your other two hard drives which you can just ignore.

Or, if push comes to shove, you could always perform the entire Debian
installation with two drives disconnected; just unplug their data cables.


My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution
as all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit
OS (i already know how to do that).


What were you searching for?


I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem.


Cheers,
David.




Thanks for the reply.

The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing.  The 
question comes down to which option do I take?  I only want to partition 
sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system.


Also, where did i LOOK?  First of all, the Debian Handbook and the our 
friend Google.


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Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:23:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote:

> >   
> > ??
> >  [!!] Partition disks 
> > ?

> >   ???  SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 

> >   ???  SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk

> The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing.  The 
> question comes down to which option do I take?  I only want to partition 
> sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system.

The important part is that "sda" and "sdb" are not meaningful labels in
the general case.  You need to look at the rest of the information --
the size, the description, the model number, the existing partitions.
Use those to decide which disk to write to.

Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 11:01:05 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 06/01/2017 09:30 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >>A second question concerns the progress of a package from experimental to
> >>stable.
> >>
> >>A case in point - Tomboy 1.15.8  has just been released by upstream.It was
> >>suggested on the Tomboy mailing list that I file Debian bug to use the
> >>latest release.
> >>Currently
> >>stretch (testing) and sid (unstable) are at 1.14.1-4
> >>experimental (rc-buggy) is at 1.15.4-1+b1
> >>Would that indicate whether or not a bug report is needed?
> >
> >You could file a wishlist bug requesting a new version if there wasn't
> >already one filed.
> >
> >It would only end up in experimental, not unstable, though.
> 
> Are you saying that without a bug explicitly mentioning Tomboy 1.15.8 (or
> later) Debian won't go beyond 1.15.4  ? ??

No. Whether 1.15.8 comes into the archives is generally the maintainer's
decision. It can happen (or not happen) with or without a wishlist
report.

Any enhancement request made for 1.15.8 would be more useful if a reason
is given. For example, it fixes a certain bug, there is a new feature,
it interworks better with certain software etc. This implies that it has
been tested by a user in a Debian environment.

There may or may not be response to the prodding.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 11:01:05 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 06/01/2017 09:30 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally
> >>filed.
> >>  reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".
> 
> *INCORRECT* I was mislead by combination of visual problems and available
> monitor.
> It will sort on bug number. I had only spotted that I could sort on last
> activity.
> 
> >>  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
> >> but not "date opened".
> >
> >The bug numbers increase monotonically, so larger numbers are
> >guaranteed to have been filed after smaller numbers. By default
> >the BTS sorts them numerically which is also the order filed.
> 
> BUT
> 
> insists on categorizing the bugs.
> 
> I want a simple list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a project:
> [bug #] [date submitted] [bug title]

I think you are going about this in an inefficient way. Your stated aim
is

 > It has been suggested that I could be useful by testing older bugs to see if
 > they could be closed -- i.e. a fix for another problem or a general upgrade 
 > has fixed the problem.

I'd suggest you choose a package or two which you use and have some
reasonable familiarity with. To tackle all open bugs is a gigantic
task. Testing open bugs in a package you triage is enough for anyone.
A list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a package is on the package
page. You know what they say about molehills.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Don Armstrong]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I want a simple list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a project:
> [bug #] [date submitted] [bug title]

bts select pkg:tomboy|sort|bts status file:- \
fields:bug_num,date,subject

The rest of the formatting is an exercise for the reader.

Or rather more complicated:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;pri0=package:tomboy;package=tomboy

> > You could file a wishlist bug requesting a new version if there
> > wasn't already one filed.
> 
> Are you saying that without a bug explicitly mentioning Tomboy 1.15.8
> (or later) Debian won't go beyond 1.15.4 ? ??

No. I just said that you could file a wishlist bug if you wanted.

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Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2017 12:28 PM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 11:01:05 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


On 06/01/2017 09:30 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:

I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally
filed.
 reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".


*INCORRECT* I was mislead by combination of visual problems and available
monitor.
It will sort on bug number. I had only spotted that I could sort on last
activity.


 https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
but not "date opened".


The bug numbers increase monotonically, so larger numbers are
guaranteed to have been filed after smaller numbers. By default
the BTS sorts them numerically which is also the order filed.


BUT

insists on categorizing the bugs.

I want a simple list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a project:
[bug #] [date submitted] [bug title]


I think you are going about this in an inefficient way. Your stated aim
is

 > It has been suggested that I could be useful by testing older bugs to see if
 > they could be closed -- i.e. a fix for another problem or a general upgrade
 > has fixed the problem.

I'd suggest you choose a package or two which you use and have some
reasonable familiarity with. To tackle all open bugs is a gigantic
task. Testing open bugs in a package you triage is enough for anyone.
A list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a package is on the package
page. You know what they say about molehills.



Before replying to a post, please read *ENTIRE* post. Even, or 
especially, what you snip.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[davidson]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Nicolas George wrote:


Le tridi 13 prairial, an CCXXV, SUZANNE COBB a écrit :

I try to capture the date and time into a variable named 'dt':

dt= $(date '+%d/%m/%Y %H:%M:%S');


Note that %T is shorthand for %H:%M:%S



[please see there is a space between = and $, and between Y and %]


Well, fix it! This line executes the output of date as a command with
the dt environment variable set to an empty string. Variable
affectations do not have spaces around the equal.

Also, for scripting, you will want %Y-%m-%d, because it offers a lexical
order.


If you go this convenient-lexical-order route, note that %F is
shorthand for %Y-%m-%d


And for maximum reliability, include the timezone or set it to
UTC.


With timezone:

 date +'%F %T %z'

Or simply translated to utc:

 date -u +'%F %T'

That's all I got. Good luck with your project.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 06:49:58PM +, david...@freevolt.org wrote:
> If you go this convenient-lexical-order route, note that %F is
> shorthand for %Y-%m-%d

Not portable.  See


And yeah, this is a Debian mailing list, but there's no compelling
reason to use an obtuse %F option that you'd have to rewrite for other
systems when it doesn't increase readability over %Y-%m-%d which
everyone can easily understand.

Fun with non-Debian systems:

imadev:~$ date +%F
June
imadev:~$ gdate +%F
2017-06-01

(%F is listed as "Obsolescent" on this system; the man page says to use
%B instead.  gdate is GNU date, compiled from sh-utils source long ago.
Before it became part of GNU coreutils.)

Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 13:47:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 06/01/2017 12:28 PM, Brian wrote:
> >On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 11:01:05 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >>On 06/01/2017 09:30 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >>>On Thu, 01 Jun 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I can't find a way to retrieve project bugs in order of date originally
> filed.
>  reportbug-ng can sort by "last activity" but not "date opened".
> >>
> >>*INCORRECT* I was mislead by combination of visual problems and available
> >>monitor.
> >>It will sort on bug number. I had only spotted that I could sort on last
> >>activity.
> >>
>  https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ can report by "classification"
> but not "date opened".
> >>>
> >>>The bug numbers increase monotonically, so larger numbers are
> >>>guaranteed to have been filed after smaller numbers. By default
> >>>the BTS sorts them numerically which is also the order filed.
> >>
> >>BUT
> >>
> >>insists on categorizing the bugs.
> >>
> >>I want a simple list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a project:
> >>[bug #] [date submitted] [bug title]
> >
> >I think you are going about this in an inefficient way. Your stated aim
> >is
> >
> > > It has been suggested that I could be useful by testing older bugs to see 
> > > if
> > > they could be closed -- i.e. a fix for another problem or a general 
> > > upgrade
> > > has fixed the problem.
> >
> >I'd suggest you choose a package or two which you use and have some
> >reasonable familiarity with. To tackle all open bugs is a gigantic
> >task. Testing open bugs in a package you triage is enough for anyone.
> >A list, one line per bug, of open bugs for a package is on the package
> >page. You know what they say about molehills.
> >
> 
> Before replying to a post, please read *ENTIRE* post. Even, or especially,
> what you snip.

OK, boss.

Your detailed and explanative response to my post have pointed me to the
true path of -user nirvana. (He says - scratching his head and wondering
why he bothers. Especially when nothing which benefits the Debian BTS is
likely to materialise from the interaction).

-- 
Brian.

Re: Adding Date & Time to a script's output log

[davidson]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 06:49:58PM +, david...@freevolt.org wrote:

If you go this convenient-lexical-order route, note that %F is
shorthand for %Y-%m-%d


Not portable.  See



Whoa. Good to know.

Thanks for the correction. And for the pointer to the POSIX
shell/utilities description.

Re: Trying to understand man page for dd

[Ulf Volmer]

On 05/28/2017 02:05 PM, JPlews wrote:

>>> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!
>>> $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid

> have a look at status=progress

This option does not exist in debian stable.

best regards
Ulf

Driver for Realtek network cards

[Wei-Shun Lo]

Dear Debian,

Is it possible to include below driver in the kernel for network

https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

Best regards,
Ralic
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RTL8812/8821 network cards

[Wei-Shun Lo]

Dear Debian,

Is it possible to include below driver in the kernel for network
installation?
Many cards are using this driver.

https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

Best regards,
Ralic
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Re: RTL8812/8821 network cards

[Jessica Litwin]

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Wei-Shun Lo  wrote:

> Dear Debian,
>
> Is it possible to include below driver in the kernel for network
> installation?
> Many cards are using this driver.
>
> https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
>
> Best regards,
> Ralic
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>
>

In the past I have made my own ISOs and included the contents of
linux-firmware. Perhaps this may be something you can do also?

// jkl

Re: RTL8812/8821 network cards

[Wei-Shun Lo]

Dear Jessica,

Yes, that is possible, however this card is supplied as a nano USB card
that enable old computers that had no wifi card, so I would like to make a
suggestion to include this card's firmware to Debian live's image.

Best,
Ralic

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 3:50 PM Jessica Litwin  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Wei-Shun Lo  wrote:
>
>> Dear Debian,
>>
>> Is it possible to include below driver in the kernel for network
>> installation?
>> Many cards are using this driver.
>>
>> https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Ralic
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>>
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>>
>> Em
>> ail: rali...@gmail.com
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>> ************************
>> ************
>>
>>
>>
>
> In the past I have made my own ISOs and included the contents of
> linux-firmware. Perhaps this may be something you can do also?
>
> // jkl
>
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Re: Becoming familiar with Debian's BTS

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 13:47:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Before replying to a post, please read *ENTIRE* post. Even, or especially,
> what you snip.

The post I replied to has two queries, which are not related. The
portion snipped was the second question. It might have passed you by
that I responded to this part with an post at

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00036.html

Why you should assume the entire post had not been read is beyond
comprehension. Please try to keep up with events instead of depleting
this months supply of capital letters and asterisks..

-- 
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Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[Felix Miata]

Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2017-06-01 08:30 (UTC-0400):

> I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was shut 
> down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service.

> I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version.

> Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I am 
> use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically set up 
> the hard drive.  Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects more 

Fortunately???

> knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have three HD's 
> Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first dirge (hda)

> My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution as 
> all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS (i 
> already know how to do that).

> I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem.

I wasn't aware that only the 64 bit installer is available in a GUI version,
which is what you seem to be implying. Did you start the 32 bit installer using
the same type source media and process as you did with the 64? I've only ever
used Debian's text version, whether installing 32 or 64.

To me, what David showed you in his response you replied to and confirmed to be
what you see is plenty straight-forward once studied a bit. If you want the
installer to propose something, select the top choice, answer yes or no as you
see fit, and be done with it. It won't do anything with anything you say no to,
and it won't proceed to write anything anywhere until you confirm you're ready
to have it do so. If you're not comfortable that it won't disturb sdb or sdc, do
as David said, and install with neither device enabled.

One option is to partition in advance, using whichever partitioner you find best
suits you. I always partition fully in advance of starting *any* operating
system installer. This method means all that's required during OS installation
is to specify which partitions to use, for which purpose, where to mount, and
whether to format. (I format in advance, as well as partition in advance.) No
major Linux distribution forces you to use only partitions that it creates
during its installation process.

If what you're asking is how sda /should* be partitioned, it's one with as many
answers as people to provide them. Usually anyone who needs to have asked the
question and hasn't provided any information about his needs or expectations is
best off just accepting the installer's proposal from choosing "Guided".
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 12:32:01 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:23:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > >  ? [!!] Partition disks ?
> 
> > >   ???  SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 
> 
> > >   ???  SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk
> 
> > The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing.  The 
> > question comes down to which option do I take?  I only want to partition 
> > sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system.
> 
> The important part is that "sda" and "sdb" are not meaningful labels in
> the general case.  You need to look at the rest of the information --
> the size, the description, the model number, the existing partitions.
> Use those to decide which disk to write to.

That's right. The strings you see above in the example are the
/dev/disk/by-id files (or part thereof) and those filenames
(or parts thereof) can frequently be found written on the outside
of the disk's casing (and sometimes on the box) as Model/Serial/Part
Number or whatever.

When I managed to persuade the Computing Service to issue me with
several disks at the same time (very infrequently), I would make
sure I created partitions with slightly different (usually by one
cylinder, a historical concept!) absolute and relative sizes so that
I could distinguish them in circumstances where size was the only
parameter visible.

Cheers,
David.

Re: RTL8812/8821 network cards

[Michael Milliman]

Have you tried the package firmware-realtek??  I'm not absolutely
positive that the drivers available in this package will work with your
specific 8812/8821 chipset (there are more than one), but it does have
drivers for some 8812/8821 chipsets that may work.

On 06/01/2017 05:49 PM, Jessica Litwin wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Wei-Shun Lo  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Debian,
> 
> Is it possible to include below driver in the kernel for network
> installation?  
> Many cards are using this driver.
> 
> https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Ralic 
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> 
> In the past I have made my own ISOs and included the contents of
> linux-firmware. Perhaps this may be something you can do also?
> 
> // jkl

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Upcoming transition to Stretch

[Michael Milliman]

Hi folks,  I'm currently running Stretch, and have been for a couple of
months.  As I understand it, Stretch will become stable in a couple of
weeks.  At that time what is now Sid (unstable) will become Testing.  Is
this correct? If so, how disastrous might it be for me to upgrade from
Stretch to the new Testing?  Will this be a usable distribution, or
would it be advisable to wait for a little while before doing so?  I
don't have a problem with running on the "bleeding edge" as long as
there is not too much blood :)
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Re: Discovering alternative commands

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2017 10:01 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 07:22:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of disk
partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).

I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for different
purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information. Neither is ideal
for me.

Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
1. what other commands should I look at?


Trivially, ls -al on /dev/disks/by* can show you a bunch of
things.


Started experimenting with that. Will require night's sleep and mug of 
coffee [in that order] to appreciate.




You are probably already aware of the contents of
/proc/partitions and /proc/mounts, but I'll mention them anyway.


Hadn't had any contact. I see serious reading in my future.







2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?


Not as such, but...

apropos partition
  will tell you about installed commands which have a man page
  prominently mentioning the word "partition".

  In this case you would also want to run apropos against
  "label" and "block".

  running "man -k" is almost the same; apropos takes more
  options.


But reading about "man --global-apropos" gives me germs of ideas. 
Because I have minimal bandwidth, I purchase complete DVD set of each 
release. That means I've all possible man pages so I'm not limited to 
commands currently available on my system. And just happen to have a 
spare 400GB on which to place said man pages.






-dsr-

Re: Discovering alternative commands

[Richard Owlett]

On 06/01/2017 11:14 AM, songbird wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


I'm working on a problem that requires as input an association of disk
partitions and their "label" (in gparted sense).

I already have blkid and lsblk. They are obviously designed for
different purposes. They both _can_ supply the desired information.
Neither is ideal for me.

Two questions (one asking for fish, the other asking to be taught to fish):
1. what other commands should I look at?
2. is there some reference that groups commands/programs by similarity?

A contrived example of the later, you've come across an unfamiliar word.
Depending on your needs you might consult a thesaurus, encyclopedia, or
dictionary. If a dictionary is indicated, it may be bilingual, idioms,
abridged, or unabridged etc.


  um, for general searching i use either apt-cache or
use synaptic's search function.  that ways you can get
a list of packages which have the word in question
associated with them.  you can specify if you want to
search just the name or include the description.


As I believe I've got the available storage to have full-text of all 
manpages locally and I've complete DVD sets for Squeeze and Jessie from 
which to extract those man pages.




  for more general searching of interesting bits i use
google or other search engines and add words like debian
or linux to make sure i'm entering the right universe.


  :)


  songbird

Re: Debian Stretch Firefox-ESR extensions.gnome.org shows "ReferenceError: chrome is not defined"

[? ??]

On 05/31/2017 07:01 AM, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 29-05-17, ? ?? wrote:
>> For the 3rd link, I remove the firefox add-ons - GNOME Shell Integration 
>> extension.
>>
>> It shows me this following error. If you click "Click here to install 
>> browser extension". The GNOME Shell Integration extension will be installed 
>> again.
>>
>> [https://support.novell.com/Platform/Publishing/images/gnome-browser-extension-notice.png]
>>
> Not sure if it will help you, but I did not remove GNOME Shell
> Integration extension, just disabled it and for me that did the job.
>

After I disable the extension and restart firefox, it still does not work.

Thanks all the same.

Dongliang Mu

Re: Upcoming transition to Stretch

[deloptes]

Michael Milliman wrote:

> Hi folks,  I'm currently running Stretch, and have been for a couple of
> months.  As I understand it, Stretch will become stable in a couple of
> weeks.  At that time what is now Sid (unstable) will become Testing.  Is
> this correct? If so, how disastrous might it be for me to upgrade from
> Stretch to the new Testing?  Will this be a usable distribution, or
> would it be advisable to wait for a little while before doing so?  I
> don't have a problem with running on the "bleeding edge" as long as
> there is not too much blood

just make a backup of the system and do it - too much talking about it does
not help. you are using the same anyway

Re: Upcoming transition to Stretch

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 06/01/2017 05:38 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:

Hi folks,  I'm currently running Stretch, and have been for a couple of
months.  As I understand it, Stretch will become stable in a couple of
weeks.  At that time what is now Sid (unstable) will become Testing.  Is
this correct? If so, how disastrous might it be for me to upgrade from
Stretch to the new Testing?  Will this be a usable distribution, or
would it be advisable to wait for a little while before doing so?  I
don't have a problem with running on the "bleeding edge" as long as
there is not too much blood :)


I've been running Sid on sda15 since Etch, sometimes upstream will lower 
a version, making the installed version obsolete, it's nice to have 
synaptic installed to see these things, fixing Sid is rewarding. This 
ride with Stretch has been bumpy too, my Nvidia was out for a longtime 
due to kernels and KDE Plasma problems causing an install of XFCE4 to 
keep updated and repair the problem, I'm still doing a workaround on 
i965 but it maybe fixed now, I have it patched and working for the time 
being using a Ubuntu 16.04 kernel, anyways if this sounds fun crank up 
gparted and slice off about 14Gb's, install Stretch and add Sid and 
change Stretch to Testing. It's always a learning experience. :)

--
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Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263

Heads Up! Stretch RC4 non-free netinstall iso has no non-free firmware.

[Jimmy Johnson]

Stretch-RC4-non-free-netinstall-iso has no non-free firmware, nor is it 
installing contrib. Both contrib and non-free are missing for main 
sources. Also I found the regions messed up/incorrect and corrected them 
in systemsettings.


No problems with RC3-non-free-netinstall-iso so use it if you are doing 
an install.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263