date:20151028

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 22:02 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
> Lisi

I keep forgetting, thanks for doing this! 

-- 
Cheers,
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Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Chris Bannister

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 09:03:20PM -0400, Doug wrote:
> I am not a programmer. (I am also not a user of Debian, but I do keep
> a watch here to see what might be going on in the other popular
> distros.) So I feel it is reasonable to put this out to the readers of
> this list:
> 
> What percentage of Debian users does anyone reading this believe to be
> able to read the source code (if they even know where to look to find
> it) and then to modify it to suit their needs? Surely Linux was a
> programmer's
> 
> wonderland when it came out in 1995, but it is now a system which even
> grandmothers are using. I would not ever suggest that it become closed
> source--as I suspect one or two distros may be on the way to--but it
> should be realized
> 
> that its original wonderfulness is lost on the majority of modern-day
> users.

Sadly, you maybe right. Remember there are distros, and there are
distros. Consider an analogy, off road vehicles --- there are families
which buy an off road vehicle because it is fashionable but all they
ever do is to drive to and fro from work and pick the kids up.

Then there are the people who actually take their vehicles off road in
the weekends and put them to their proper use for enjoyment.

So consider, for the first case that you compare it to Ubuntu and Linux 
Mint while for the second case you could compare it to Debian etc.

So, keeping that in mind, it's not at all obscure or weird to suggest
looking at the source code. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 09:03:20PM -0400, Doug wrote:
> What percentage of Debian users does anyone reading this believe to be able
> to read the source code (if they even know where to look to find it) and then
> to modify it to suit their needs? Surely Linux was a programmer's
> wonderland when it came out in 1995, but it is now a system which even
> grandmothers are using. I would not ever suggest that it become closed
> source--as I suspect one or two distros may be on the way to--but it should
> be realized
> that its original wonderfulness is lost on the majority of modern-day users.

Well, you're right that someone's grand parents shouldn't have to read source
code to use a desktop computer. But I wouldn't be expecting them to set up or
recover a striped LVM device either, which is what this thread is about.

David's point about the source code being the canonical home of what is going
on is a good one. And for a forensic operation, which is not something performed
by mere mortals, you want to be damned sure you know what is going on.

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

Forwarded to unsubscribed OP.

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:56:08 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:48:06 +0100
>
> Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> >On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:30 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
> >> within the confines of a VM I can say that
> >> 1) I can still access the TTYs and
> >> 2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
> >> and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long
> >> time
> >> to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in
> >> and
> >> out programs you might be using.
> >
> >Very interesting. I retried loading the page in Epiphany and noticed
> >this in the terminal:
> >
> > radeon: mmap failed, errno: 12
> >
> >Trying to get a backtrace with gdb resulted in an X crash, so that page
> >is doing something WebKit or Epiphany doesn't like at all.
> >
> >I filed a bug here, to start with:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757213
> >
> >Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
> >with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
>
> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 08:19:50 Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 22:02 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Forwarded to unsubscribed OP
> > Lisi
>
> I keep forgetting, thanks for doing this!

You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to forget.  
I am over-sensitive to it at the moment, after my recent "discussion" on the 
subject of CC's.

Lisi

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:03:20 Doug wrote:
> it is now a system which even grandmothers are using.

Hey!!  Ada Lovelace was a grandmother.  

Lisi

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Martin Read


On 28/10/15 11:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:03:20 Doug wrote:

it is now a system which even grandmothers are using.


Hey!!  Ada Lovelace was a grandmother.


Not while she was alive; sadly, she died before any of her children had 
children of their own.

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 12:30:29 Martin Read wrote:
> On 28/10/15 11:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:03:20 Doug wrote:
> >> it is now a system which even grandmothers are using.
> >
> > Hey!!  Ada Lovelace was a grandmother.
>
> Not while she was alive; sadly, she died before any of her children had
> children of their own.

Yes, very sad - but I don't believe that, had she lived, she would have turned 
into a clueless, helpless individual who couldn't use a computer without the 
aid of a male.

I didn't cross reference when she died and when her grandchildren were born.  
Thank you!

Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread Abou Al Montacir

On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 10:57 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> --  Forwarded Message  --
> 
> Subject: Re: System craches when browsing a web site
> Date: Wednesday 28 October 2015, 01:56:08
> From: Charlie Kravetz 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:48:06 +0100
> Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:30 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
> >> within the confines of a VM I can say that
> >> 1) I can still access the TTYs and
> >> 2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
> >> and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long
> >> time
> >> to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in
> >> and
> >> out programs you might be using.  
> >
> >Very interesting. I retried loading the page in Epiphany and noticed
> >this in the terminal:
> >
> > radeon: mmap failed, errno: 12
> >
> >Trying to get a backtrace with gdb resulted in an X crash, so that page
> >is doing something WebKit or Epiphany doesn't like at all.
> >
> >I filed a bug here, to start with:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757213
> >
> >Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
> >with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
> 
> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
> >
This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.
-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread tomas

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> You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to 
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> subject of CC's.

And I still feel a bit guilty. Oh, well :-)

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Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread John Hasler

Lisi writes:
> Yes, very sad - but I don't believe that, had she lived, she would
> have turned into a clueless, helpless individual who couldn't use a
> computer without the aid of a male.

Not a male, a young person.  The myth is that everyone over 60 is
clueless when it comes to "technology" and that everyone under 30 is an
expert because they "grew up with it".
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

after update kde (plasma) will not start any more

2015-10-28 Thread Hans

Dear list,

after the last update, kde will not start any more (debian/testing).

I believe, it is related to one or more libs, so I send the log of my latest 
update:

=
==
[UPGRADE] at-spi2-core:i386 2.18.0-1 -> 2.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] chkrootkit:i386 0.50-3.1 -> 0.50-3.2
[UPGRADE] distro-info-data:i386 0.27 -> 0.28
[UPGRADE] evince:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] evince-common:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] gir1.2-evince-3.0:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] gir1.2-pango-1.0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] gnome-session-bin:i386 3.18.0-1+b1 -> 3.18.1.2-1
[UPGRADE] gsettings-desktop-schemas:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] irqbalance:i386 1.0.6-3 -> 1.0.9-1
[UPGRADE] libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386 2.18.0-1 -> 2.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] libatspi2.0-0:i386 2.18.0-1 -> 2.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] libccid:i386 1.4.20-1 -> 1.4.21-1
[UPGRADE] libdatetime-timezone-perl:i386 1:1.93-1+2015f -> 1:1.94-1+2015g
[UPGRADE] libebml4v5:i386 1.3.1-5 -> 1.3.3-1
[UPGRADE] libevdocument3-4:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] libevview3-3:i386 3.18.0-1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] libgcrypt20:i386 1.6.3-2 -> 1.6.4-3
[UPGRADE] libnautilus-extension1a:i386 3.18.0-2+b1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] libnetaddr-ip-perl:i386 4.075+dfsg-1+b1 -> 4.078+dfsg-1
[UPGRADE] libpango-1.0-0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpango1.0-0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpango1.0-doc:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpangoft2-1.0-0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpangoxft-1.0-0:i386 1.38.0-3 -> 1.38.1-1
[UPGRADE] libpod-markdown-perl:i386 3.002000-2 -> 3.003000-1
[UPGRADE] libqt5x11extras5:i386 5.4.2-2+b1 -> 5.5.1-2
[UPGRADE] libsigc++-2.0-0v5:i386 2.6.1-2 -> 2.6.1-3
[UPGRADE] libsoap-lite-perl:i386 1.11-1 -> 1.19-1
[UPGRADE] libtext-csv-xs-perl:i386 1.19-1 -> 1.20-1
[UPGRADE] mkvtoolnix:i386 8.4.0-2 -> 8.5.1-1
[UPGRADE] nautilus:i386 3.18.0-2+b1 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] nautilus-data:i386 3.18.0-2 -> 3.18.1-1
[UPGRADE] python-bs4:i386 4.4.0-1 -> 4.4.1-1
[UPGRADE] qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects:i386 5.4.2-2+b1 -> 5.5.1-2
[UPGRADE] qttranslations5-l10n:i386 5.4.2-2 -> 5.5.1-2
=
==

Maybe someone knows exactly, which lib might be related to this bug.

There is a point, which I want to suggest for discussion. IMO, when a new 
version was added to 
the repo, the last version should be hold back for some time, so it is possible 
to get easily back 
to the further version. This is often not the case, as packages are put too 
soon off. For example
take a look at   libqt5x11extras5:i386 5.4.2-2+b1 -> 5.5.1-2, where only the 
latest and a 
very old 5.3 version is in the repo. 

IMO there should be discussed a better strategy, so that the preversion is 
always available for 
some time (i.e 3-4 weeks, related to the change cicle somehow).

Thank you for reading. Any help is welcome.

Best 

Hans

Re: RealTek RTL8192EU drivers

2015-10-28 Thread Himanshu Shekhar

For Realtek drivers, you can checkout one on
Realtek Driver Download Center


Regards
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

2015-10-28 Thread Himanshu Shekhar

It supports AP mode, as I have used the stuff when I worked on Windows with
Connectify.
Possibly, this is a driver issue, as "wl" driver may not be supporting AP
mode.

However, I tried to download drivers from
http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11 for this device, "43142", but
received errors in installing them but received errors. I use kernel
version 4.1.0.0.
Is there any problem with the kernel version?

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Matt Ventura 
wrote:

> On 10/24/2015 01:26 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 14:38 -0700, Matt Ventura wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure about that, I just told n-m to create a new network,
>>> and it did ad-hoc even though my card supports AP mode.
>>> Can you check in iwconfig to confirm it's actually an AP?
>>>
>> iwconfig does say master mode.
>>
>> What card is it?
> With my Intel 7260 (which works as an AP if I use hostapd directly),
> n-m only wants to create an ad-hoc network.
> Does it present you with the option to create an AP mode network?
>
> Matt Ventura
>
>

-- 
Regards

Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 28.10.2015 um 14:27 schrieb Abou Al Montacir:
> On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 10:57 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>>> Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
>>> with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
>>
>> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
>>>
> This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.

No, midori and ephiphany use different versions of WebKit.
midori uses WebKit1 (libwebkigtgtk-1.0-0), epiphany the newer WebKit2
(libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37)

The bug is more likely somewhere in the graphics stack, which is
triggered by WebKit2 (e.g. by offloading more stuff to the GPU).

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Re: System craches when browsing a web site


On Wednesday 28 October 2015 13:26:10 Abou Al Montacir wrote:
>On Wednesday 28 October 2015 01:56:08 Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:48:06 +0100
>
> Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> >On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 14:30 +0100, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've looked into that issue a bit futher, and as far as I can test
> >> within the confines of a VM I can say that
> >> 1) I can still access the TTYs and
> >> 2) the OOM killer removes the offending process as soon as both RAM
> >> and Swap is full. Since your Swap is rather large it takes a long
> >> time
> >> to fill up, during which time the system constantly has to swap in
> >> and
> >> out programs you might be using.
> >
> >Very interesting. I retried loading the page in Epiphany and noticed
> >this in the terminal:
> >
> > radeon: mmap failed, errno: 12
> >
> >Trying to get a backtrace with gdb resulted in an X crash, so that page
> >is doing something WebKit or Epiphany doesn't like at all.
> >
> >I filed a bug here, to start with:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757213
> >
> >Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
> >with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.
>
> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.

This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.

Re: Installation Problem

2015-10-28 Thread Darac Marjal


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:56:51PM +0400, Ssov Samoht wrote:


Hello,

Ive recently been trying to install Debian Kali Linux and it takes me 
a long time to install it but when its done it just goes back to the 
starting screen and all i can select it


Install Advanced Options Help Install with speech synthesis

Please help me ):


Hopefully obvious, but have you tried removing/ejecting the installation 
medium during the reboot?



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Installation Problem

2015-10-28 Thread Ssov Samoht

Hello,

Ive recently been trying to install Debian Kali Linux and it takes me a long 
time to install it but when its done it just goes back to the starting screen 
and all i can select it

Install
Advanced Options
Help
Install with speech synthesis

Please help me ):

Re: Installation Problem

2015-10-28 Thread Florian Pelgrim

Hi,

this list is for Debian and not for Kali itself.

But I will make a guess and say eject the ISO from your (virtual) drive. ;)

Cheers
Flo

Am 28.10.15 um 15:56 schrieb Ssov Samoht:
> Hello,
> 
> Ive recently been trying to install Debian Kali Linux and it takes me a long 
> time to install it but when its done it just goes back to the starting screen 
> and all i can select it
> 
> Install
> Advanced Options
> Help
> Install with speech synthesis
> 
> Please help me ):
> 



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Re: Installation Problem

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 14:56:51 Ssov Samoht wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Ive recently been trying to install Debian Kali Linux

"Debian Kali Linux" doesn't actually exist.  Debian GNU/Linux exists.  Kali 
Linux exists.  Kali Linux is based on Debian (how loosely??).  Debian != 
Kali.

> and it takes me a 
> long time to install it but when its done it just goes back to the starting
> screen and all i can select it
>
> Install
> Advanced Options
> Help
> Install with speech synthesis
>
> Please help me ):

The suggestion that you may not have ejected the install media sounds a good 
one.

Lisi

Re: Debian

2015-10-28 Thread Ron

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:37:53 -0700
Franklin Presley III  wrote:

> Sent from my iPad

And ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
 The difference between science and the fuzzy subject
 is that science requires reasoning while those other
 subjects merely require scholarship.
   -- Robert A. Heinlein 

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Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce

2015-10-28 Thread Ron

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:50:04 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:

> Monsanto's problem is not with getting patents but with
> getting permission for their gene manipulated seeds.
> Germans mistrust the genetech propaganda because it resembles
> the nuclear power propaganda from decades ago.
> Same liars = same poison.

Problem is not with their genetically modified stuff, but with their refusal to 
let GM stuff be labelled as such.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
  The only ethical principle which has made science possible
is that the truth shall be told all the time.
If we do not penalise false statements made in error,
we open up the way, don’t you see, for false statements by intention.
 And of course a false statement of fact, made deliberately,
  is the most serious crime a scientist can commit.
 -- C.P. Snow

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Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 14:53:11 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
>  but
> received errors in installing them but received errors.

And the error messages were?

Lisi

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 12:54:08 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:02:51AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > You're welcome.  It's terribly difficult to remember.  Or very easy to
> > forget. I am over-sensitive to it at the moment, after my recent
> > "discussion" on the subject of CC's.
>
> And I still feel a bit guilty. Oh, well :-)

:-)  And I so carefully didn't name you. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Debian

2015-10-28 Thread Stefan Monnier

>> Sent from my iPad
> And ?

Indeed,  Reminds me of the annoying successful Intel marketing slogan,
which was nicely subverted by "Looks good from the outside, but ...".

We could similarly add before the above marketing phrase something like
"Sounds coherent except that it's ...".


Stefan

Re: after update kde (plasma) will not start any more

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Weber

Try this to see if it works:

The solution is to downgrade libqt5x11extras5 to
libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64 (or 385 if your system is 32bit).

You should find libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb in the
/var/cache/apt/archives directory if you haven't run "apt-get clean" recently.  
Mine was dated Aug 9.  Use "dpkg -i libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb" to
install it.  dpkg will notify you that it is downgrading the package.



*...Bob*

Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

2015-10-28 Thread Himanshu Shekhar

/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c: In
function ‘wl_dump_ver’:
/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c:2049:3:
error: macro "__DATE__" might prevent reproducible builds
[-Werror=date-time]
   __DATE__, __TIME__, EPI_VERSION_STR);
   ^
/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.c:2049:13:
error: macro "__TIME__" might prevent reproducible builds
[-Werror=date-time]
   __DATE__, __TIME__, EPI_VERSION_STR);
 ^
cc1: some warnings being treated as errors
make[4]: ***
[/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.o]
Error 1
/usr/src/linux-headers-4.1.0-0.bpo.2-common/scripts/Makefile.build:263:
recipe for target
'/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl/src/wl/sys/wl_linux.o'
failed
make[3]: *** [_module_/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl]
Error 2
/usr/src/linux-headers-4.1.0-0.bpo.2-common/Makefile:1401: recipe for
target '_module_/home/himanshu/Downloads/broadcom43142/hybrid_wl' failed
make[2]: *** [sub-make] Error 2
Makefile:146: recipe for target 'sub-make' failed
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
Makefile:8: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.1.0-0.bpo.2-amd64'
make: *** [all] Error 2
Makefile:140: recipe for target 'all' failed


Hope it is not at all pretty! :P

Regards
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: [OT] Linux for Lettuce

2015-10-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Monsanto's problem is not with getting patents but with
> > getting permission for their gene manipulated seeds.

Ron wrote:
> Problem is not with their genetically modified stuff, but with their refusal
> to let GM stuff be labelled as such.

That's a slightly different (off-)topic.

Gene food for human consumption would have to be
labelled if it contains at least 1 percent of GM biomass.
Monsanto does not sell food here. But Nestle made a field
experiment with a labled product
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfinger#GMO_ingredients_lost_German_market
(One could buy it as birthday gift for a good old enemy.)

According to our environmentural authority, there are only
2 GM corn strains and 1 GM potato strain allowed for growing
in the EU. Only one corn strain may actually be produced:
"MON810" (sic).
  http://www.umweltbundesamt.at/umweltsituation/gentechnik/zulassungen/
(zorry, in german language)

The only way how GM produce is comming into the EU is as
cattle fodder. Corn and soy from both american continents.
GM fed cattle does not have to be labeled.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Recommendations for interactive use shell

2015-10-28 Thread Tony van der Hoff


On 28/10/15 17:30, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

Hello.

For interactive use, I have only seriously used Bash and Fish
.


Oh, yes; from that web site: "Finally, a command line shell for the 90s"
Woo, cutting edge, or what!


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Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

On Wednesday 28 October 2015 13:31:31 John Hasler wrote:
> Lisi writes:
> > Yes, very sad - but I don't believe that, had she lived, she would
> > have turned into a clueless, helpless individual who couldn't use a
> > computer without the aid of a male.
>
> Not a male, a young person.  The myth is that everyone over 60 is
> clueless when it comes to "technology" and that everyone under 30 is an
> expert because they "grew up with it".

:-)

Yes, I agree.  But grandmothers get maligned far more often than grandfathers.  
That is, when they are not maligning mothers.

From earlier in this thread:
"it is now a system which even grandmothers are using."

Yes, we are.  A lot of us.  Some of us even tinker with it.

Lisi

Sorry, John for off-list post.

Re: Fwd: Re: System craches when browsing a web site

> > Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.
> > > 
> This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.

It's a problem with the Gtk+ backend of WebKit. If you follow the bug I
filed it was closed with a link here:

 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126122

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Recommendations for interactive use shell

2015-10-28 Thread Mario Castelán Castro


Hello.

For interactive use, I have only seriously used Bash and Fish 
.


I would like to try more shells which have features useful for 
interactive use. I am interested in good autocompletion modes, and 
features that allow me to browse and "cd" faster within the file tree 
(For example, Bash listing of current directory contents with "tab" when 
the prompt is empty is one such feature). I am not very interested in 
features to display VCS information (current Git branch or similar).


What shells targeted for interactive use have you used that you would 
recommend to try (and what do you find good about them)?.


Thanks in advance.

Re: after update kde (plasma) will not start any more

2015-10-28 Thread Hans

Am Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015, 12:53:05 schrieb Bob Weber:
> Try this to see if it works:
Hi Bob,
> 
> The solution is to downgrade libqt5x11extras5 to
> libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64 (or 385 if your system is 32bit).
> 
> You should find libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb in the
> /var/cache/apt/archives directory if you haven't run "apt-get clean"
> recently. Mine was dated Aug 9.  Use "dpkg -i
> libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb" to install it.  dpkg will notify you
> that it is downgrading the package.
yes, I already suspected this lib, but that version disappeared from the 
official repo. However, I found it in the internet. Installed, worked.

But as I suggested: latest prior version should stay in the official repo for 
some time, just to be able to revert back.

> 
> 
> 
> *...Bob*
Thanks anyway

Best 

Hans

Re: Regarding Hotspot configuration

On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 13:17 -0700, Matt Ventura wrote:
> What card is it?

Intel Centrino 2230.

> With my Intel 7260 (which works as an AP if I use hostapd directly),
> n-m only wants to create an ad-hoc network.
> Does it present you with the option to create an AP mode network?

There's not really any options at all, if hotspot is enabled it just
show you the encryption mode and a key. 

This is with NM in GNOME from unstable. 

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Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Tim McDonough



The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken 
internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick" 
type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since I 
have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi modes 
as is practical... plan for the future.


Suggestions?

Tim

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread John Hasler

Lisi writes:
> But grandmothers get maligned far more often than grandfathers.

They just get mentioned more often.  Grandfathers are mostly ignored.
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Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread Charlie Kravetz

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:53:53 +0100
Michael Biebl  wrote:

>Am 28.10.2015 um 14:27 schrieb Abou Al Montacir:
>> On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 10:57 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>  
 Only tried 3.16.3 so far, would be interesting to know how it works
 with 3.14 and 3.18, and other browsers using WebKit.  
>>>
>>> Midori 0.5.11 is using WebKit. It works without crashing.  
  
>> This means probably that the bug is in epiphany and not webkit.  
>
>No, midori and ephiphany use different versions of WebKit.
>midori uses WebKit1 (libwebkigtgtk-1.0-0), epiphany the newer WebKit2
>(libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37)
>
>The bug is more likely somewhere in the graphics stack, which is
>triggered by WebKit2 (e.g. by offloading more stuff to the GPU).
>
>
>

Thank you for that information. I tried to find that information on
Midori, but did not look in the right place. Where do you find it? It
would have saved some time and not given misinformation with it.

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Debian Stretch: Gnome - Virt Console switching -- freezes

2015-10-28 Thread nice sw123

Hi,

has anybody else had problems of instability when running Stretch with GNOME?

If I've been working on the GUI a while and then hop between virtual
console and GUI:
Ctrl-Alt-F1
Ctrl-Alt-F7
Ctrl-Alt-F1
Ctrl-Alt-F7
Ctrl-Alt-F1
Ctrl-Alt-F7

... my system freezes!



To tell you the truth... that GNOME release currently running around
Stretch... is really unstable, wobbly, unsatisfactory!
What's up with that??

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 15:03 -0500, Tim McDonough wrote:
> The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken 
> internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB
> "stick" 
> type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since
> I 
> have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi
> modes 
> as is practical... plan for the future.

Just a tip, get a model that has a connector for an external antenna,
unless you know you will always be in a place with great reception. 

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Re: Recommendations for interactive use shell

2015-10-28 Thread Mario Castelán Castro


El 28/10/15 a las 12:02, Tony van der Hoff escribió:

On 28/10/15 17:30, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

Hello.

For interactive use, I have only seriously used Bash and Fish
.


Oh, yes; from that web site: "Finally, a command line shell for the 90s"
Woo, cutting edge, or what!


It is an irony and probably a reference to the fact that the Fish shell 
has many features that are commonplace today in graphical tools that 
have been introduced around the 90s, like 256 colors. Also See what the 
page says about Netscape Navigator 4.0.

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Mario Castelán Castro


El 28/10/15 a las 14:03, Tim McDonough escribió:


The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken
internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick"
type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since I
have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi modes
as is practical... plan for the future.

Suggestions?


These vendors sell USB 802.11 NICs and other hardware that works with 
GNU/Linux:


https://www.thinkpenguin.com/
https://tehnoetic.com/

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Doug




On 10/28/2015 04:03 PM, Tim McDonough wrote:


The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken internal WiFi adapter. 
I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick" type adapter that plays well 
with Debian and Linux in general. Since I have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that 
covers as many WiFi modes as is practical... plan for the future.

Suggestions?

Tim



I recently bought an adapter fro an old Dell that I couldn't get the Broadcom 
driver to work on. The adapter hardly stuck out above the surface where the USB 
port was. It worked, but it had very limited range.

If you just want to use it in the house, it will probably be OK, but to work 
with Hotspots out in the open a couple of blocks away, or whatever, it would 
not work. I don't remember the name of it, but obviously

it did not have sufficient antenna in such a small package. You should look for 
something about the size of  USB Flash dongle if you want to try for distance.

--doug

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

On Wed, October 28, 2015 3:03 pm, Tim McDonough wrote:
> The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken
> internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick"
> type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since I
> have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi modes
> as is practical... plan for the future.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1114662-REG/asus_90ig01c1_ba_wireless_ac1300_usb_adapter.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1025036-REG/asus_usb_ac56_wireless_ac1200_db.html

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

On Wed, October 28, 2015 1:46 pm, Doug wrote:
> I recently bought an adapter fro an old Dell that I couldn't get the
> Broadcom driver to work on. The adapter hardly stuck out above the
> surface where the USB port was. It worked, but it had very limited range.

The antennas on WiFi routers typicaly are about six inches long; so a
physically compact dongle must compromise the antenna system.

A USB 2.0 cable can be up to ten feet long; use that and duct tape to
position the dongle for best reception; or put the dongle on a bookshelf
or over a curtain rod; or use a loop of twine and a thumbtack to position
the dongle on a wall.

With high frequencies, even a few inches difference in location can made a
significant difference in reception, so experiment.

Some ASUS adapters come with a six-inch semi-rigid gooseneck USB cable so
you can adjust the position of the dongle while keeping it close to the
computer.

Russ

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 28.10.2015 um 20:56 schrieb Charlie Kravetz:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:53:53 +0100
> Michael Biebl  wrote:
> 
>> No, midori and ephiphany use different versions of WebKit.
>> midori uses WebKit1 (libwebkigtgtk-1.0-0), epiphany the newer WebKit2
>> (libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37)

..

> Thank you for that information. I tried to find that information on
> Midori, but did not look in the right place. Where do you find it? It
> would have saved some time and not given misinformation with it.

What I did is more or less:

$ apt-cache depends midori | grep webkit
  Depends: libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
$ apt-cache depends epiphany-browser | grep webkit
  Depends: libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37



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Re: Release-Critical Bugs Graph for the Past Year

2015-10-28 Thread Don Armstrong

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote:
> I am now in a habit of checking the release-critical graph before doing
> upgrade (I don't upgrade very often) along with apt-list-bugs.
> 
> We have a bug graphs for the past month, all history and the default. Do we
> also have one for the past year? Inferring from the month link then trying
> similar with self-created URL says 404.

No, but all of the raw data exists to make such a graph.

If you'd like one, please submit a patch to the bugscan git repo
(https://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/bugscan.git/) to add the graph.

-- 
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Re: after update kde (plasma) will not start any more

2015-10-28 Thread Bob Weber

On 10/28/2015 03:46 PM, Hans wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015, 12:53:05 schrieb Bob Weber:
>> Try this to see if it works:
> Hi Bob,
>> The solution is to downgrade libqt5x11extras5 to
>> libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64 (or 385 if your system is 32bit).
>>
>> You should find libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb in the
>> /var/cache/apt/archives directory if you haven't run "apt-get clean"
>> recently. Mine was dated Aug 9.  Use "dpkg -i
>> libqt5x11extras5_5.4.2-2+b1_amd64.deb" to install it.  dpkg will notify you
>> that it is downgrading the package.
> yes, I already suspected this lib, but that version disappeared from the 
> official repo. However, I found it in the internet. Installed, worked.
>
> But as I suggested: latest prior version should stay in the official repo for 
> some time, just to be able to revert back.
>
>>
>>
>> *...Bob*
> Thanks anyway
>
> Best 
>
> Hans

I have been burned too many times running testing so I have developed the
following procedures to make things a little safer.

I use approx on my internet router/server machine to serve debian packages to
all the other machines on my network.  That way I have all the packages that
have been installed since I started using approx.  I have disabled the cron job
for approx that cleans out the older packages approx retrieves so I don't have
to worry that I will lose any needed packages.  I can use "apt-get clean" on
each machine without worrying that I will lose older needed packages.

Besides daily backups using backuppc on a dedicated server I also use rsnapshot
to make a snapshot of my root file system (home is on another file system where
these backups go)  before I do an upgrade ... just in case.  If I miss some
problem a quick reboot into sysrescucd and I copy the snapshot back to the root
file system so I can get going again!

I also first upgrade 3 VM's running testing also so I will know of any problems
before I upgrade my main machine.  I caught the libqt5x11extras5 problem that
way.  I had the black screen of death on a VM.  I googled for a solution to the
problem after seeing sddm crashing with a segfault in libxcb.so in syslog.

...Bob

Re: System craches when browsing a web site

2015-10-28 Thread Charlie Kravetz

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:16:25 +0100
Michael Biebl  wrote:

>Am 28.10.2015 um 20:56 schrieb Charlie Kravetz:
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:53:53 +0100
>> Michael Biebl  wrote:
>>   
>>> No, midori and ephiphany use different versions of WebKit.
>>> midori uses WebKit1 (libwebkigtgtk-1.0-0), epiphany the newer WebKit2
>>> (libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37)  
>
>..
>
>> Thank you for that information. I tried to find that information on
>> Midori, but did not look in the right place. Where do you find it? It
>> would have saved some time and not given misinformation with it.  
>
>What I did is more or less:
>
>$ apt-cache depends midori | grep webkit
>  Depends: libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
>$ apt-cache depends epiphany-browser | grep webkit
>  Depends: libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
>
>
>


Thank you very much! Something new for today. 

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Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Anton Bizzarri

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Jonathan Dowland  wrote:

>
> Lots of replies on a subject you don't know the answer for ;)
>
>
The efforts so far have been,

- recreated the logical volume with the same drives (as well as the one
that had failed previously and now seemed to be working and is back in the
same place).

- I can see the logical volume in lvm as well as the device in
/dev/mapper/dm0

- I tried repairing it by running fsck and its full of inode failures and
errors.

If anyone has any links to more authoritative sources or links or
suggestions let me know. I tried Red Hat LVM list and that proved to return
no results.

Its either a very common problem or its a dead problem.

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Stefan Monnier

> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1114662-REG/asus_90ig01c1_ba_wireless_ac1300_usb_adapter.html

> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1025036-REG/asus_usb_ac56_wireless_ac1200_db.html

Any word on how well they work on GNU/Linux?  E.g. is the driver fully
supported in the mainline kernel, or in the kernel but in "staging", or
...?


Stefan

Suggested apt-get dist-upgrade.........

2015-10-28 Thread Charlie


It was suggested that someone [lost the email] upgrade their system with
apt-get dist-upgrade?

I suppose depending on what packages are installed on a system would
suggest which of these bugs could be problematical:

Summary:
 libreoffice(2 bugs), akonadi-server(1 bug), libkf5auth5(1 bug),
 libqt5x11extras5(1 bug), libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37(1 bug)

and if it would be a good idea to continue if possible? Because putting
them on hold doesn't allow upgrading.

Charlie

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Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

On Wed, October 28, 2015 7:59 pm, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1114662-REG/asus_90ig01c1_ba_
>> wireless_ac1300_usb_adapter.html
>
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1025036-REG/asus_usb_ac56_wireles
>> s_ac1200_db.html
>
> Any word on how well they work on GNU/Linux?  E.g. is the driver fully
> supported in the mainline kernel, or in the kernel but in "staging", or
> ...?

About a year ago, I purchased a Asus RT-N66U and a USB radio (I think it
is a N53) for a project which now is postponed.  The USB radio "just
worked" in two or three machines, but I do not recall whether they were
i386 or amd64; I have both, and was running "straight out of the box"
Lenny.

No guarantee, but in my experience, WiFi "just works" in Debian Squeeze
and Jessie.  (I jumped from Squeeze to Jessie; I did not like the Gnome in
Wheezy.)  And ASUS typically is very good.

An external radio can be useful even if the radio in a laptop still is
functional, because a WiFi network is limited by the speed of the slowest
machine (B, G, N, AC); so it may be possible to keep an older laptop in
service merely by plugging in a faster radio.

Russ

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume


On 10/28/2015 05:57 PM, Anton Bizzarri wrote:

The efforts so far have been,

- recreated the logical volume with the same drives (as well as the one
that had failed previously and now seemed to be working and is back in the
same place).

- I can see the logical volume in lvm as well as the device in
/dev/mapper/dm0

- I tried repairing it by running fsck and its full of inode failures and
errors.


Please "reply to list".


Looking at your first post, /dev/sd* identifiers are notorious for 
changing whenever a drive, adapter, and/or port changes.  Perhaps the 
drives are being enumerated in a different order now than they were when 
the LV worked.  Get the UUID for every drive.  Correlate those to drive 
makes, models, serial numbers, and ports.  Unplug all the drives.  Reset 
the CMOS via the motherboard jumper.   Reconnect all the drives. 
Reconfigure CMOS settings.  Boot.  Check UUID's again -- if they're the 
same, no luck; if they changed, perhaps.  If that doesn't fix it, tear 
down and rebuild LVM using UUID's for PV's..  If you can script the 
process, that will facilitate checking the rest of the permutations (5! 
= 240 total).




If anyone has any links to more authoritative sources or links or
suggestions let me know. I tried Red Hat LVM list and that proved to return
no results.

Its either a very common problem or its a dead problem.


I STFW for an LVM community the other night, but didn't find one.  My 
guess is that the code stabilized years ago, was rolled in the Linux 
kernel, and people moved on.  You might be able to find LVM people by 
contacting for the Debian "lvm2", etc., package maintainers and/or by 
searching the various Debian mailing lists.  Another place to look would 
be the Linux kernel version control system.



David

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume


On 10/28/2015 07:27 PM, David Christensen wrote:

Check UUID's again


To clarify -- check UUID's against /dev/sd* assignments.


David

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume


On 10/28/2015 05:52 PM, Anton Bizzarri wrote:

Yes, you pretty much nailed it. It's an easily $200 solution but  (some)
clients can't be bothered to spend it.  I am not going to buy them a $200
external drive out of my pocket.


Agreed.  But, there's nothing like a business data loss event to convert 
them to the backup religion.  If budget is an issue, there are several 
"free" (as in beer) cloud storage and/or backup services to choose from.



David

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume

2015-10-28 Thread Anton Bizzarri

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:30 PM, David Christensen <
dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote:

>
> Agreed.  But, there's nothing like a business data loss event to convert
> them to the backup religion.  If budget is an issue, there are several
> "free" (as in beer) cloud storage and/or backup services to choose from.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
I will try the Debian lvm2 community. I am trying testdisk[1].

i want to exhaust all options before i decide to start rearranging the
drives and resetting BIOSs' and CMOSs'.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

Re: Lost LVM data - lost logical volume


On 10/28/2015 07:40 PM, Anton Bizzarri wrote:

I will try the Debian lvm2 community.


What is the URL?



 I am trying testdisk[1].

i want to exhaust all options before i decide to start rearranging the
drives and resetting BIOSs' and CMOSs'.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk


The feature list is impressive.  Let us know if it works and what you 
think of the tool.



David

Re: Recommendations for interactive use shell

2015-10-28 Thread Jessica Litwin

I prefer zsh with oh-my-zsh and some customizations. It's bash-like enough
and has been refreshing :)

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mario Castelán Castro <
marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> For interactive use, I have only seriously used Bash and Fish <
> http://fishshell.com/>.
>
> I would like to try more shells which have features useful for interactive
> use. I am interested in good autocompletion modes, and features that allow
> me to browse and "cd" faster within the file tree (For example, Bash
> listing of current directory contents with "tab" when the prompt is empty
> is one such feature). I am not very interested in features to display VCS
> information (current Git branch or similar).
>
> What shells targeted for interactive use have you used that you would
> recommend to try (and what do you find good about them)?.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>


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Re: Recommendations for interactive use shell

2015-10-28 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mario Castelán Castro
 wrote:
> Hello.
>
> For interactive use, I have only seriously used Bash and Fish
> .
>
> I would like to try more shells which have features useful for interactive
> use.

I highly recommend zsh. It has superb auto completion facilities. In
particular, I like the following features in it.

1) When doing tab completion, zsh can list files in the order they
were created/modified. Currently this is not possible in bash.
2) Unlike tcsh, zsh shell scripting supports functions, which I
extensively use. FWIW bash supports functions as well.
3) The tab completion entries are cleared after successful tab completion.
4) Ability to remove old duplicates from the history file.

My wiki page http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Why_notes#Why_zsh contains
more details on this. But since wiki pages can change/evolve over
time, I am summarizing the contents here.

hope that helps
raju
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Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Tim McDonough


On 10/28/2015 9:15 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

On Wed, October 28, 2015 7:59 pm, Stefan Monnier wrote:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1114662-REG/asus_90ig01c1_ba_
wireless_ac1300_usb_adapter.html



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1025036-REG/asus_usb_ac56_wireles
s_ac1200_db.html


Any word on how well they work on GNU/Linux?  E.g. is the driver fully
supported in the mainline kernel, or in the kernel but in "staging", or
...?


About a year ago, I purchased a Asus RT-N66U and a USB radio (I think it
is a N53) for a project which now is postponed.  The USB radio "just
worked" in two or three machines, but I do not recall whether they were
i386 or amd64; I have both, and was running "straight out of the box"
Lenny.

No guarantee, but in my experience, WiFi "just works" in Debian Squeeze
and Jessie.  (I jumped from Squeeze to Jessie; I did not like the Gnome in
Wheezy.)  And ASUS typically is very good.

An external radio can be useful even if the radio in a laptop still is
functional, because a WiFi network is limited by the speed of the slowest
machine (B, G, N, AC); so it may be possible to keep an older laptop in
service merely by plugging in a faster radio.

Russ


Thank you to everyone who replied. I believe I will try one of these 
ASUS models. In general I've had good success with a variety of ASUS 
products in the past.


Tim
Central Illinois, USA

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread moxalt

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:03:10 -0500, Tim McDonough  wrote:

> The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken 
> internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick" 
> type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since I 
> have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi modes 
> as is practical... plan for the future.

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-dual-band-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-nusbdb

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter

2015-10-28 Thread Doug

On 10/29/2015 01:05 AM, moxalt wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:03:10 -0500, Tim McDonough wrote:

The older Dell laptop that I use for my mobile work has a broken
internal WiFi adapter. I'd like to get a recommendation on a USB "stick"
type adapter that plays well with Debian and Linux in general. Since I
have nothing now I'd just as soon get one that covers as many WiFi modes
as is practical... plan for the future.

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-dual-band-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-nusbdb

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter

I would get the first of these, _if_ your Linux is on the list. (Mine is not.)
I would not get the second--it is too small to have much of an antenna.
I would wonder about the third--it appears that it has a little antenna under
the blob, but it's still smaller than the first item pictured.

Are you sure you can't get a replacement part for your laptop? Taking it apart
and replacing the WIFI unit would be a pain, but would probably work the best,
assuming that you can get the proper driver for it. I eventually got a driver
to work with my old Dell. And then I reinstalled Linux to a new drive, and
forgot how I
got the damned Broadcom to work--but when it did, it worked quite well. Also,
are you sure your WIFI doesn't work? Do you have Windows on the machine, and
does it work in Windows? If it works in Windows, it will work in Linux, but you
may have a devil of a time getting the right driver! Good luck!

--doug

Re: Suitable USB WiFi Adapter