Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

[Tom H]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Rusi Mody  wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 14:05:10 -0400, Tom H wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
>
> I use the grub command configfile (also multiboot).
> What do they do? Where are they documented?
> [I got the tips on usage on the grub mailing list]

 I don't know whether configfile and multiboot are documented in the
 info pages (I find info unusable) but this is the upstream grub
 manual:
>>>
>>> A few years ago the complaints about grub's documentation were possibly
>>> justified. Today, less so, And even if there are improvements which can
>>> made it is hardly a justification for the "bring back grub legacy and
>>> give us abandoned software" faction to be considered at all seriously.
>>> configfile is documented in the info pages. The multiboot command
>>> replaces the kernel command; you're on your own with that!
>>
>> Why do you think that grub2's multiboot replaces grub1's kernel?
>>
>> Its main use is to load the core.img of another grub2 install. I don't
>> think that you can load a kernel with it.
>
> The grub guys explaining (to me!) the configfile and multiboot commands:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2011-01/msg00029.html

The "grub guys" (I don't know what makes you think that the person who
answered you is associated with grub in any way because grub-help@ is
similar to debian-user@) are telling you in that post exactly what I
told you: "multiboot" is used to load the core.img of another grub2
install. The kernel grub1 command loads the kernel of another install.
I've never seen an instance of (or the documentation for) "kernel"
loading a grub1 stage1_5 or stage2.


> I really dont want to get into the quality of docs argument.

Unsurprising since you're wrong! LOL


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Re: GTK crashing X?

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 16:46:04 -0700, Matt Ventura wrote:

> Thanks, the "ExaNoComposite" option worked for me.

Good.

'apt-get --purge autoremove' offers to remove systemd because it is no
longer needed, so you needn't have been concerned. Also, the package
which has /sbin/init is systemd-sysv and any attempt to remove that
brings up an offer to install sysvinit-core.


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Re: Virtualized desktop

[Jimmy Thrasibule]

> You may be interested in .

Yes Qubes is approaching what I'm looking for.

The more I think about it and the more what I'm looking for is
actually a virtual machine manager.

I see it like a windows manager. Your computer boots and load this
virtual machine manager as it will be doing with GNOME, then you can
switch the VM as if they where windows and assign a screen or two or
other devices. In a perfect world, I also see USB over IP to share
devices connected on another host.

I will take a closer look to Qubes.

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Re: virtual machine from USB stick (virt-manager & qemu/kvm)

[Darac Marjal]

[Resending, as this doesn't seem to have made it to the list]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:39:19AM +0300, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to create a VM with Windows 7. Is there a way to do that from USB 
> stick? It is a ~10GB corporate Windows package.

I presume the USB stick is your install medium? That is, you're not
trying to install TO the USB stick, but you're trying to install FROM
the USB stick TO a virtual machine on your hard drive.

In that case, when creating your VM in Virtual-Manager, add your target
device as Disk 1, then also add a USB Host Device, selecting the USB
stick as your device. Now, boot the virtual machine and install as if on
a real machine (i.e. following the installer's manual).

> 
> Thanks,
> Eugene
> 
> P.S. Please CC me as I'm not subscribed to the list.
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Re: ntp problem

[Pierre Frenkiel]

thanks for all your replies (although some are rather contradictory)

1> Very few chances, as this kinda battery can save its load for
1> at least 10 years (except if you had very long periods without
1> pluging your computer).

2> I've never seen one that lasted for 10 years, and I've had to replace
2> several CR2032 lithium cells on motherboards that were ~5 years old.

Acording my own experience, I'll vote for 1. I managed about 100 machines
for more than 10 years, and never had to replace a battery, but may-be
it depends on the quality of the battery and motherboard.
Measuring the battery voltage should give me the answer for my configuration.
Still remains the un-answered question:
what can be the cause of this time problem after 5 years of good working,
and no configuration change?.

Anyway, I was able to fix it, using the recommendations in the 
hwclock and adjtimes mans .cf sections


   The Adjust Function
   Automatic Hardware Clock Synchronization By the Kernel

2 days after the last reboot, (ntp not running), the Hardware clock drift
was about 1 second, and the System clock about 2 seconds  After starting
ntp, the System clock got imediatly the exact time (checked with a radio
controlled watch) .

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[SOLVED] debconf bricked -- undefined variable $ARGV[0] and similar issues

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> I tried an "apt-get dist-upgrade" of my jessie system yesterday, with bad
> results.  It seems that debconf is bricked.  Currently, there are three 
> packages
> that are unpacked but not configured: tzdata, locales, and debconf.  (There 
> were
> originally two: tzdata and locales.  I tried reinstalling debconf in an 
> attempt
> to fix the problem, but that only bricked debconf too.  So now there are 
> three.
> Here's what I get when I attempt to configure debconf.  I get similar errors 
> if
> I attempt to configure either of the other two packages.
> 
> -
> 
> root@smp6:~# dpkg --configure debconf
> Setting up debconf (1.5.53) ...
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in string eq at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 17.
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in pattern match (m//) at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 24.
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in concatenation (.) or string at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 60.
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in pattern match (m//) at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 61.
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in pattern match (m//) at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 62.
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in pattern match (m//) at 
> /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 72.
> Use of uninitialized value $r in  at 
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm line 72.
> readline() on unopened filehandle at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm 
> line 72.
> dpkg: error processing package debconf (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script was killed by signal 
> (Segmentation fault)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  debconf
> root@smp6:~# 
> 
> -
> 
> How did this happen, what can I do to fix it, and how do I make sure that it 
> doesn't
> happen again?  These errors are preventing the rest of the upgrade from going 
> through.
> I can't go forward, and I can't back out.  Fortunately, the system still runs 
> (and
> boots).

The error messages above show up on the user's console
(a remote ssh session).  An additional symptom is this message on the
system console (the SCLP line-mode console for Linux running in an LPAR,
the 3215 virtual console for Linux running in a virtual machine under z/VM):

-

User process fault: interruption code 0x4003B in 
libperl.so.5.18.2[3fffcfff000+1d]
failing address: 0

-

I checked, and libperl.so.5.18.2 belongs to package perl-base on the s390x
architecture.  The package version currently installed was 5.18.2-4+b1.
According to Debian's web site, s390x is the *only* architecture running
this version in testing.  All others are at 5.18.2-4.  I found version
5.20.0-1 in experimental, and installed it.  Problem solved.  If you have
this problem, you can't fix it the usual way (apt-get install), because
apt-get will first run "dpkg --configure -a" if there are any unconfigured
packages on the system, which there are, and it will fail.  This causes
apt-get install to fail.  You have to download the packages somehow
(apt-get download, wget, ftp, etc.) then install them manually with dpkg.
You will need three packages, probably: perl, perl-base, and perl-modules.
Install perl-base first, then perl-modules (you will probably need to use
the --force-depends option on perl-modules), then finally perl.

Don't install version 5.18.2-4+b1 of perl* on your system!

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Re: virtual machine from USB stick (virt-manager & qemu/kvm)

[Eugene Zhukov]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Darac Marjal  wrote:
> [Resending, as this doesn't seem to have made it to the list]
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:39:19AM +0300, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to create a VM with Windows 7. Is there a way to do that from USB 
>> stick? It is a ~10GB corporate Windows package.
>
> I presume the USB stick is your install medium? That is, you're not
> trying to install TO the USB stick, but you're trying to install FROM
> the USB stick TO a virtual machine on your hard drive.
>
Correct.

> In that case, when creating your VM in Virtual-Manager, add your target
> device as Disk 1, then also add a USB Host Device, selecting the USB
> stick as your device. Now, boot the virtual machine and install as if on
> a real machine (i.e. following the installer's manual).
>
I'm using Virtual Machine Manager 0.9.5. When I'm going through create
new VM wizard it doesn't even have USB stick option, the only local
options are CDROM, DVDROM or ISO image.


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Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

[Brian]

On Tue 01 Jul 2014 at 03:43:37 -0400, Tom H wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Rusi Mody  wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote:
> >>
> >> Why do you think that grub2's multiboot replaces grub1's kernel?
> >>
> >> Its main use is to load the core.img of another grub2 install. I don't
> >> think that you can load a kernel with it.
> >
> > The grub guys explaining (to me!) the configfile and multiboot commands:
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2011-01/msg00029.html
> 
> The "grub guys" (I don't know what makes you think that the person who
> answered you is associated with grub in any way because grub-help@ is
> similar to debian-user@) are telling you in that post exactly what I
> told you: "multiboot" is used to load the core.img of another grub2
> install. The kernel grub1 command loads the kernel of another install.
> I've never seen an instance of (or the documentation for) "kernel"
> loading a grub1 stage1_5 or stage2.

Ineptness on my part. I was working from memory and, in addition,
omitted the word "line" after "command". Not that restoring it increases
the usefulness of the contribution above its original 0%.

> > I really dont want to get into the quality of docs argument.
> 
> Unsurprising since you're wrong! LOL

He is right about the high quality advice from respondents (some are
grub developers) on help-grub, though.


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Re: ntp problem

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> Measuring the battery voltage should give me the answer for my
> configuration.  Still remains the un-answered question: what can be the
> cause of this time problem after 5 years of good working, and no
> configuration change?.

For a PC RTC?  Damaged electronics, or bad battery.

The electronic components related to the RTC age very well (chipset, ceramic
capacitors, quartz crystal, schottky diodes).

The crystal is easy to damage during motherboard repair work, though (it is
sensitive to heating).

> 2 days after the last reboot, (ntp not running), the Hardware clock drift
> was about 1 second, and the System clock about 2 seconds  After starting
> ntp, the System clock got imediatly the exact time (checked with a radio
> controlled watch) .

Well, 1s/day is the error margin for the crap that passes for a PeeCee RTC.
I'd say you've it as well compensated as it is pratical.

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Re: virtual machine from USB stick (virt-manager & qemu/kvm)

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 01:19:06PM +0300, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Darac Marjal  
> wrote:
> > [Resending, as this doesn't seem to have made it to the list]
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:39:19AM +0300, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to create a VM with Windows 7. Is there a way to do that from 
> >> USB stick? It is a ~10GB corporate Windows package.
> >
> > I presume the USB stick is your install medium? That is, you're not
> > trying to install TO the USB stick, but you're trying to install FROM
> > the USB stick TO a virtual machine on your hard drive.
> >
> Correct.
> 
> > In that case, when creating your VM in Virtual-Manager, add your target
> > device as Disk 1, then also add a USB Host Device, selecting the USB
> > stick as your device. Now, boot the virtual machine and install as if on
> > a real machine (i.e. following the installer's manual).
> >
> I'm using Virtual Machine Manager 0.9.5. When I'm going through create
> new VM wizard it doesn't even have USB stick option, the only local
> options are CDROM, DVDROM or ISO image.

Yes, I think you need to complete the wizard first. Probably the
simplest way to do that is to tell it you want to install from a local
CD (With no disc in the drive) or a non-existent ISO. When you complete
the wizard, the new VM will start (to begin the installation), power it
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tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Rares Aioanei]

Hi everyone, 

Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to watch it
online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's national TV
which broadcasts the games online live.  I tried flash-plugin-nonfree,
I tried directly installing libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins,
installed at the same time or separately, I tried
pepperflashplugin-nonfree and Chromium, I tried Firefox Nightly (I
compile my own every week), I tried Iceweasel, Epiphany and lots of
other browsers, I tried disabling FlashBlock and other extensions but
the outcome is the same : all I get is a black square with no
content. On my other machine running Arch, with FlashBlock enabled, it
works just fine. Running stable/testing on a Thinkpad X200, and tested
lots of WMs and DEs (KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce, i3wm). Any ideas are much
appreciated.  
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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Bzzzz]

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:59:42 +0300
Rares Aioanei  wrote:

> Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to
> watch it online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's

Check that JS is enabled.

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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Rares Aioanei]

On 07/01/2014 05:13 PM, B wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:59:42 +0300
Rares Aioanei  wrote:


Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to
watch it online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's


Check that JS is enabled.

Yes, that page is allowed in NoScript's settings. Besides, even with 
NoScript disabled it's the same thing. And on Chromium I have no JS 
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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Karl Munch]

The stream is restricted to the territory of Romania, so I guess you are
there.

I was able to watch an ad there, but not the stream due to the above
restriction. For your information, I moved the libflashplayer.so
to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:59 +0300, Rares Aioanei wrote:
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to watch it
> online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's national TV
> which broadcasts the games online live.  I tried flash-plugin-nonfree,
> I tried directly installing libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins,
> installed at the same time or separately, I tried
> pepperflashplugin-nonfree and Chromium, I tried Firefox Nightly (I
> compile my own every week), I tried Iceweasel, Epiphany and lots of
> other browsers, I tried disabling FlashBlock and other extensions but
> the outcome is the same : all I get is a black square with no
> content. On my other machine running Arch, with FlashBlock enabled, it
> works just fine. Running stable/testing on a Thinkpad X200, and tested
> lots of WMs and DEs (KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce, i3wm). Any ideas are much
> appreciated.  
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> 
> 


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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Rares Aioanei]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:51:28 +0200
Karl Munch  wrote:

> The stream is restricted to the territory of Romania, so I guess you
> are there.
> 
> I was able to watch an ad there, but not the stream due to the above
> restriction. For your information, I moved the libflashplayer.so
> to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.
Yes, I am in Romania. I moved the plugin too, same result (or lack
thereof). Since the issue extends to other browsers and flash players,
I don't think it's a Mozilla-only problem. 
> 
> On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:59 +0300, Rares Aioanei wrote:
> > Hi everyone, 
> > 
> > Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to
> > watch it online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's
> > national TV which broadcasts the games online live.  I tried
> > flash-plugin-nonfree, I tried directly installing libflashplayer.so
> > in ~/.mozilla/plugins, installed at the same time or separately, I
> > tried pepperflashplugin-nonfree and Chromium, I tried Firefox
> > Nightly (I compile my own every week), I tried Iceweasel, Epiphany
> > and lots of other browsers, I tried disabling FlashBlock and other
> > extensions but the outcome is the same : all I get is a black
> > square with no content. On my other machine running Arch, with
> > FlashBlock enabled, it works just fine. Running stable/testing on a
> > Thinkpad X200, and tested lots of WMs and DEs (KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce,
> > i3wm). Any ideas are much appreciated.  
> > -- 
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> > Rares Aioanei
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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Re: virtual machine from USB stick (virt-manager & qemu/kvm)

[Bob Weber]

On 07/01/2014 05:17 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
> [Resending, as this doesn't seem to have made it to the list]
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:39:19AM +0300, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to create a VM with Windows 7. Is there a way to do that from USB 
>> stick? It is a ~10GB corporate Windows package.
If the USB stick is a disk image that can run as a self contained system (not an
install image) then copy the stick
to your hard disk with dd (dd if=/dev/sdx of=win7raw.img).  Now in the "New VM"
wizard select "Import existing
disk image".  In the last screen select "Customize configuration before
install".  Then make sure the storage format is raw.
The system should boot from that drive now.  Check the boot options to be sure
the correct drive is selected.

> I presume the USB stick is your install medium? That is, you're not
> trying to install TO the USB stick, but you're trying to install FROM
> the USB stick TO a virtual machine on your hard drive.
>
> In that case, when creating your VM in Virtual-Manager, add your target
> device as Disk 1, then also add a USB Host Device, selecting the USB
> stick as your device. Now, boot the virtual machine and install as if on
> a real machine (i.e. following the installer's manual).
>
>> Thanks,
>> Eugene
>>
>> P.S. Please CC me as I'm not subscribed to the list.
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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Bzzzz]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:15:12 +0300
Rares Aioanei  wrote:

> Yes, that page is allowed in NoScript's settings. Besides, even
> with NoScript disabled it's the same thing. And on Chromium I have
> no JS blocker enabled.
 
Did you also try to open the URL with vlc?

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On 07/01/2014 06:27 PM, B wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:15:12 +0300 Rares Aioanei
>  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that page is allowed in NoScript's settings. Besides, even 
>> with NoScript disabled it's the same thing. And on Chromium I
>> have no JS blocker enabled.
> 
> Did you also try to open the URL with vlc?
> 
I tried with mplayer , yes, but it's not possible, as they have a
introductory swf file.

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Boot hangs with Debian Jessie on Toshiba Satellite C55-A

[Sander Marechal]

Hello all,

I have a brand new Toshiba Satellite C55-A-1ND. I have installed it so 
that it dual-boots Win8 and Debian (this was an adventure in itself). 
The problem is that I cannot get Jessie to boot. It just seems to hang 
after: "Loading initial ramdisk".


Here are the things I tried so far:

* It's not a secureboot/fastboot/UEFI thing. Secureboot and fastboot are 
off and I got Grub EFI running.


* Grub is able to find the bootfiles. When I go to grub console and 
enter the startup commands manually, the vmlinuz in initrd files are 
found. I also get no errors after loading them. Here's the list of 
commands I execute:


load_video
insmod gzio
insmod part_gpt
insmod ext2
set root='hd0,gpt7'
linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.14-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda7 ro
initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64
boot

During this process I get no errors. After 'boot' it just seems to hang. 
Nothing happens.


* Adding nomodeset or xforcevesa as boot parameters doesn't help

* Updating initrd (update-initramfs -u) doesn't help

* Thinking it may be a graphics issue (e.g. system boots, I just don't 
see it) made me try installing the proprietary nvidia graphics drivers. 
No result.


* Someone on #debian-next said my system was an optimus-based system, so 
In installed bubmlebee-nvidia and primus. No effect.


The strange thing is that the jessie netinst CD works just fine. I can 
boot it in both text as graphics mode and use it to install jessie and 
to enter rescue mode.


I am all out of ideas. Can someone help me figure out what is wrong?

Kind regards,

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Re: tvrplus.ro/tvr-1.html (Flash) just shows a black screen. Other Flash sites work.

[Johann Klammer]

On 07/01/2014 05:30 PM, Rares Aioanei wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 16:51:28 +0200
Karl Munch  wrote:


The stream is restricted to the territory of Romania, so I guess you
are there.

I was able to watch an ad there, but not the stream due to the above
restriction. For your information, I moved the libflashplayer.so
to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.

Yes, I am in Romania. I moved the plugin too, same result (or lack
thereof). Since the issue extends to other browsers and flash players,
I don't think it's a Mozilla-only problem.


On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 16:59 +0300, Rares Aioanei wrote:

Hi everyone,

Sometimes I want to be in touch with the World Cup so I try to
watch it online. The URL in the Subject is the site of Romania's
national TV which broadcasts the games online live.  I tried
flash-plugin-nonfree, I tried directly installing libflashplayer.so
in ~/.mozilla/plugins, installed at the same time or separately, I
tried pepperflashplugin-nonfree and Chromium, I tried Firefox
Nightly (I compile my own every week), I tried Iceweasel, Epiphany
and lots of other browsers, I tried disabling FlashBlock and other
extensions but the outcome is the same : all I get is a black
square with no content. On my other machine running Arch, with
FlashBlock enabled, it works just fine. Running stable/testing on a
Thinkpad X200, and tested lots of WMs and DEs (KDE, Fluxbox, Xfce,
i3wm). Any ideas are much appreciated.
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What does cat /proc/cpuinfo say?
I have had problems with libflashplayer.so silently crashing due to 
missing SSE2. If this is the case you could try installing an old 
version. But it's problematic, because it might be more vulnerable to 
hacking.
You can enter about:plugins as an URL in firefox to see the installed 
plugins(+version).




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Re: No volume change possible

[Ric Moore]

On 06/30/2014 02:44 PM, B wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:30:46 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:


Problems of this sort would be much lessoned if pavucontrol was a
depend. RIc


I wouldn't say 'depend' but much more 'recommend'; 'depend'
should only be used for _mandatory_ dependencies IMHO.

I would tend to agree, except that over 50% of configuration errors 
reported, regarding audio, is due to the lack of pavucontrol being 
installed at all and/or the user being aware that it needs to be invoked.


So, if it were installed from the get-go, and a dialog popped up during 
install time, asking if the user wants to configure audio NOW or do it 
later using the "pavucontrol" application? ...that would be really nice!


OTOH, that would just make installing Linux too user friendly. New users 
should learn VIM first.  Ric




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Re: No volume change possible

[Ric Moore]

On 06/30/2014 04:54 PM, B wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:44:26 +0200
mad  wrote:


pavucontrol does not fix the problem. In pavucontrol between 1 and
100% the volume stays the same. It is muted when switched to zero
and it is getting louder over 100%.


Which knob(s) did you act on?

Play between application volume and general to see
if it is changing things.

Did you check that not any other mixer is running
in the background?


He mentioned kmix, ergo he's running KDE that has another layer of audio 
handling with phonon. So, here's a handy guide to KDE:

http://userbase.kde.org/Sound_Problems
...who likes to do things THEIR way. :/ Ric



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Re: Debian Jessie Intel 915GM Suspend on Lid Close

[Ric Moore]

On 06/30/2014 01:01 PM, Dylan Bass wrote:

I have an older Dell Inspiron 1300 laptop.  It has an Intel 915 GM
chipset.  Sleep on lid close on Debian Wheezy works perfectly.  I just
uncomment "LID_SLEEP=true" in /etc/default/acpi-support to get suspend
on lid close working.  I recently upgraded to Debian Jessie for various
reasons, and the sleep on lid close stopped working.  My laptop also has
function keys for suspend and those stopped working too.  The only thing
that works is using pm-suspend, but I have to use it before I close the
lid.  I was wondering if this is a bug or not?  Thanks.


In a synaptic session I  I ran across some module/lib that 
enables an Intel specific module for the keyboard buttons and 
sleep/hibernate function. I'm not seeing it now, doing a quick look 
through, but I'm running Jessie. I'm sure I ran across it before, Maybe 
Wheezy has it still? Ric


p/s ...if it exists at all.


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Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440

[Craig L.]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:25:21PM -0400, ken wrote:
> On 03/22/2014 01:29 PM Craig L. wrote:
> > I found folks
> >running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I have any
> >problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested in this.
> 
> One of the nice things about GNU/Linux is that, if one distro works
> on a particular machine, then it's at least theoretically possible
> for all other GNU/Linux distros to work on it.  After all, it all
> comes down to the code.  When this wouldn't be true would be when,
> for example, some distro (and there are a lot of them) used
> proprietary, non-FOSS code for a driver.  From my understanding,
> Debian in particular shuns non-FOSS software, so such an instance
> would be problematic.
> 
> How has the E7440 been working out?  Any of the hardware not
> recognized or not functioning as expected?
> 
Hi Ken

Pretty good timing on your part, and thanks for cc'ing me in. My ISP
seems to have banned me from receiving user list emails.

We received the laptops last week and other than a few minor things I
have it working. I have not installed a GUI yet, but expect no real
issues there.

First of all, I tried to install from a debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
image, using uefi install, but network hardware was not detected.
However
the debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso image worked just fine. But apparently
the lilo bootloader won't work with UEFI, and I hate grub, so I had to
disable that in the BIOS. Other than that, the only other issue was the
wireless card. It is an Intel Centrino WiMax 7260, or something like
that. The firmware that was installed did not contain a driver for it,
and it requires the non-free iwlwifi driver. The version of the driver
that supports this card had to come from jessie, firmware-iwlwifi
(0.43).

I downloaded that .deb and extracted it, then copied the pertinent driver
files to /lib/firmware, and loaded the iwlwifi module using modprobe, but
the interface would not show up. Then I had an “aha!” moment and figured
the kernel may not support that driver. So I installed the lates 3.14
kernel from backports, rebooted, and there was my interface. I have
successfully configured it using wpa_supplicant to connect to our
enterprise wireless network.

I plan to install the XFCE DE, but I have no qualms that I will get that
taken care of. For the most part this laptop will be used by me to access
my workstation when I am in meetings and such, so I will probably also
make use of the display port output too. That may prove to be a bit more
of a challenge. I will report back with any issues, but for now consider
no news to be good news.

Please cc me in on replies since I no longer receive list mailings.

Regards,
Craig


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Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440

[Craig L.]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:16:25PM +0200, Stanislav Bocinec wrote:
> Hello Craig,
> 
> i'm using Ubuntu 14.04LTS on E7440 (i7, 16GB Ram, SSD disk, intel GPU)
> without any major issues. Only thing i experienced problem with was that
> external monitor was sometimes losing signal from display port (
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062571). I'm not sure whether
> it was fixed in Ubuntu or not already, but i haven't experienced this issue
> previous 3 weeks anymore. Another solution is to use DVI output from
> docking station.
> 
> 
> Best Luck,
> Stano
> 

Hi Stan,

I just replied to a message previous to yours with more detail, but I
have gotten the laptop working just fine. The only thing I've run into is
the non-free iwlwifi driver and the version that I needed.

Regards,
Craig
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Craig L.  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:44:41PM -0400, Steve Litt of
> > Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
> > > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 07:37:39 -0400
> > > ken  wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's not going in the trash though.  It's still good for a headless
> > > > linux box.  Long ago I buffed it up with a big HD and 2G of RAM, the
> > > > cat5 and 802.11bg wifi still work, as do the two USB ports, DVD r/w.
> > > > I figure it would still be useful as a print- and scanner server...
> > > > and/or music server (the sound card is still fine), a sandbox
> > > > machine, and possibly for some other things.  I might spray-paint it,
> > > > frame it, and hang it on the wall so it looks like art... even as it
> > > > continues to serve useful purposes.  I'd love it if this old piece of
> > > > crap didn't make it into the landfill until after I do... maybe even
> > > > *long* after.
> > > >
> > > > Linux will never die.  It just gets perpetually revised.
> > >
> > > Another excellent use for it is as an OpenBSD/pf firewall. Much less
> > > bulky than a desktop, uses less electricity than an average desktop,
> > > and in its normal operation you ssh into it so no keyboard or monitor
> > > is needed.
> >
> > I've also used old laptops to monitor power to initiate shutdowns on
> > systems
> > connected to “dumb” ups's.
> >
> > I've gotten no negative responses to my original question, and I found
> > folks
> > running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I have any
> > problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested in this.
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > PS Speaking of old, I just came across my Star OS disks for the Xerox 6085
> > that
> > I acquired way back in the very early 90s. I never did find a good use for
> > that
> > thing, other than running up the electricity bill
> >
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Re: [SOLVED] debconf bricked -- undefined variable $ARGV[0] and similar issues

[Stephen Powell]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 06:12:07 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> I found version 5.20.0-1 in experimental, and installed it.
> Problem solved.

Well, version 5.20.0-1 did solve the problem, as far as eliminating
the program exception is concerned.  But it also broke packages
such as libhtml-parser-perl, liblocale-gettext-perl, etc., which
now have unmet dependencies.  No newer versions of these packages
are available.  Therefore, I downgraded perl, perl-base, and
perl-modules to version 5.18.2-4, and put them on hold for now.
(Thank God for http://snapshots.debian.org !)

"apt-get check" now finds no errors, and I can once again upgrade
my system, except for the three packages that I put on hold and
packages which depend on them.  I intend to submit a bug report
for this problem.

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Slow mirror connections

[Gary Roach]

I have a Verizon Fios 50 MBs connection but have noticed of late that 
any significant updates (using Aptitude) start out at about 4-5 mBytes/s 
and after about 15 - 20% of the files  have been transfered the transfer 
rate drops to about 1/20th of normal speed. Does anyone have any idea 
why this happens or where the problem lies. I'm using the standard 
entries in my sources.conf file.


After the "fooferah" that Netflix had with the big network providers, I 
don't  trust them to really give me the service that I am paying for.


Gary R.


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Re: Slow mirror connections

[Donald Norwood]

On 07/01/2014 08:45 PM, Gary Roach wrote:
I have a Verizon Fios 50 MBs connection but have noticed of late that 
any significant updates (using Aptitude) start out at about 4-5 
mBytes/s and after about 15 - 20% of the files  have been transfered 
the transfer rate drops to about 1/20th of normal speed. Does anyone 
have any idea why this happens or where the problem lies. I'm using 
the standard entries in my sources.conf file.


After the "fooferah" that Netflix had with the big network providers, 
I don't  trust them to really give me the service that I am paying for.


Gary R.




You have a few options:

Check your ISP speeds with a few of the websites that offer a speed 
analysis. Be mindful of peak Internet hours, not necessarily on your end 
with your FIOS connection but on the servers/services you are connecting 
to.


Check the response times from the servers in your source list and modify 
them to other servers accordingly.


Use the Debian mirror redirector to direct you to a closer mirror. 
Replace your currently configured Debian mirror in sources.list with the 
following address:


http://http.debian.net/debian
e.g. deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main

Best regards,

Donald Norwood


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Re: Debian on a Dell Latitude E7440

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

I have an E7420 running Debian on it for work. The 7.4 ISO was plenty 
to get it working and I used UEFI as well with GRUB bootloader. I did 
have to upgrade it to testing (jessie) however to get all the devices 
working and get the newer XORG that would support the graphics card. I 
don't have it with me currently or I could check further details but 
catch me during the work day and I can assist.


On 01.07.2014 18:35, Craig L. wrote:

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:25:21PM -0400, ken wrote:

On 03/22/2014 01:29 PM Craig L. wrote:
> I found folks
>running other distros on the E7440, so we're going with it. If I 
have any
>problems I will pass them along for anyone else that is interested 
in this.


One of the nice things about GNU/Linux is that, if one distro works
on a particular machine, then it's at least theoretically possible
for all other GNU/Linux distros to work on it.  After all, it all
comes down to the code.  When this wouldn't be true would be when,
for example, some distro (and there are a lot of them) used
proprietary, non-FOSS code for a driver.  From my understanding,
Debian in particular shuns non-FOSS software, so such an instance
would be problematic.

How has the E7440 been working out?  Any of the hardware not
recognized or not functioning as expected?


Hi Ken

Pretty good timing on your part, and thanks for cc'ing me in. My ISP
seems to have banned me from receiving user list emails.

We received the laptops last week and other than a few minor things I
have it working. I have not installed a GUI yet, but expect no real
issues there.

First of all, I tried to install from a debian-7.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
image, using uefi install, but network hardware was not detected.
However
the debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso image worked just fine. But 
apparently
the lilo bootloader won't work with UEFI, and I hate grub, so I had 
to
disable that in the BIOS. Other than that, the only other issue was 
the

wireless card. It is an Intel Centrino WiMax 7260, or something like
that. The firmware that was installed did not contain a driver for 
it,
and it requires the non-free iwlwifi driver. The version of the 
driver

that supports this card had to come from jessie, firmware-iwlwifi
(0.43).

I downloaded that .deb and extracted it, then copied the pertinent 
driver
files to /lib/firmware, and loaded the iwlwifi module using modprobe, 
but
the interface would not show up. Then I had an “aha!” moment and 
figured

the kernel may not support that driver. So I installed the lates 3.14
kernel from backports, rebooted, and there was my interface. I have
successfully configured it using wpa_supplicant to connect to our
enterprise wireless network.

I plan to install the XFCE DE, but I have no qualms that I will get 
that
taken care of. For the most part this laptop will be used by me to 
access
my workstation when I am in meetings and such, so I will probably 
also
make use of the display port output too. That may prove to be a bit 
more
of a challenge. I will report back with any issues, but for now 
consider

no news to be good news.

Please cc me in on replies since I no longer receive list mailings.

Regards,
Craig



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Re: No volume change possible

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 02:22:42PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 06/30/2014 02:44 PM, B wrote:
> >On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:30:46 -0400
> >Ric Moore  wrote:
> >
> >>Problems of this sort would be much lessoned if pavucontrol was a
> >>depend. RIc
> >
> >I wouldn't say 'depend' but much more 'recommend'; 'depend'
> >should only be used for _mandatory_ dependencies IMHO.
> >
> I would tend to agree, except that over 50% of configuration errors
> reported, regarding audio, is due to the lack of pavucontrol being installed
> at all and/or the user being aware that it needs to be invoked.

Recommends are on by default, so a wishlist bug would be appropriate to
get it moved from Suggests to Recommends, although some may consider it
cruft, *esp* if it is only needed in rare cases.
Depends are for the benefit of the package NOT the user. :)

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