CD drive not showing up anymore

[Matthias Bodenbinder]

Hello,

somehow my computer does not automatically pop up with a message when I enter a 
CD or DVD. Not in KDE, GNOME or XFCE. There is no automatic action at all. I 
can not even see any log entries when closing the CD tray with a new CD. But it 
used to work in the past. This is a new issue to me. 

I am using Debian Testing. It works fine with USB sticks. And it doesnt work on 
second PC either which I just installed from scratch with debian testing.

Any idea what is broken and how to get this working again? 

Thanks
Matthias


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Re: how to activate php in apache

[Bob Proulx]

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> >>does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)
> >
> >How did /var/www get 644 permissions?  That is also incorrect.
> >
> >   chmod u=rwx,go+rx /var/www
> 
> 'x' is not required for Apache php scripts.  Unlike PHP CLI, the
> script itself is not an executable file (note the lack of a
> shebang).

While absolutely correct who is talking about a script?  Look again.
/var/www is a directory not a script.  The 'x' bit on directories
allows them to be searchable.  It is necessary for the /var/www
directory.  If you take that away then you will get a 403 Forbidden
error.

I saw the OP called it "/var/" with an extra 'w' in there.  But I
give the benefit of the doubt and call it a typo and that they really
meant "/var/www" there unless I learn otherwise.

> >The ownership is not critical.
> 
> On a shared web server, ownership is critical.  The file should not
> be owned by the web server, but the web server should be in a group
> that has read access to the file.  This prevents other users from
> accessing the file.

By default it is root:root.  By not critical I meant that if they had
already changed the ownership to someone else such as to themself that
the php function would still function.  Since they had already changed
the mode of the directory I think it likely that they changed the ower
and group too.  But that won't be the reason that php scripts are not
being interpreted for them.  Since I expected that most people group
user, group and mode together and I already gave instructions for
setting the mode the most natural thing would have been to assume that
they had messed up the owner or group too.

Bob


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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Matthias Bodenbinder]

Am 03.12.2013 08:59, schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> Hello,
> 
> somehow my computer does not automatically pop up with a message when I enter 
> a CD or DVD. Not in KDE, GNOME or XFCE. There is no automatic action at all. 
> I can not even see any log entries when closing the CD tray with a new CD. 
> But it used to work in the past. This is a new issue to me. 
> 
> I am using Debian Testing. It works fine with USB sticks. And it doesnt work 
> on second PC either which I just installed from scratch with debian testing.
> 
> Any idea what is broken and how to get this working again? 
> 
> Thanks
> Matthias
> 
> 

I have to add that I can mount the CD manually (mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom) 
without problem.

Matthias


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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:03 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> Am 03.12.2013 08:59, schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > somehow my computer does not automatically pop up with a message when I 
> > enter a CD or DVD. Not in KDE, GNOME or XFCE. There is no automatic action 
> > at all. I can not even see any log entries when closing the CD tray with a 
> > new CD. But it used to work in the past. This is a new issue to me. 
> > 
> > I am using Debian Testing. It works fine with USB sticks. And it doesnt 
> > work on second PC either which I just installed from scratch with debian 
> > testing.
> > 
> > Any idea what is broken and how to get this working again? 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Matthias
> > 
> > 
> 
> I have to add that I can mount the CD manually (mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom) 
> without problem.

What was upgraded? Take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log, synaptics
history or what ever you are using to upgrade.



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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:03 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> > Am 03.12.2013 08:59, schrieb Matthias Bodenbinder:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > somehow my computer does not automatically pop up with a message when I 
> > > enter a CD or DVD. Not in KDE, GNOME or XFCE. There is no automatic 
> > > action at all. I can not even see any log entries when closing the CD 
> > > tray with a new CD. But it used to work in the past. This is a new issue 
> > > to me. 
> > > 
> > > I am using Debian Testing. It works fine with USB sticks. And it doesnt 
> > > work on second PC either which I just installed from scratch with debian 
> > > testing.
> > > 
> > > Any idea what is broken and how to get this working again? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Matthias
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > I have to add that I can mount the CD manually (mount /dev/sr0 
> > /media/cdrom) without problem.
> 
> What was upgraded? Take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log, synaptics
> history or what ever you are using to upgrade.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/21657/show-apt-get-installed-packages-history-via-commandline

Anything in ~/.xsession-errors?



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Re: Linux' (and other OS's) code patterns present in device drivers, the kernel and userland code ...

[Gian Uberto Lauri]

Albretch Mueller writes:
 > > All programming languages have "the language" with its grammar, operators, 
 > > oddities which are a result of trying to shoe-horn too much into an 
 > > "elegant" grammar only to see springs start to poke through the fabric.
 > ~
 >  yet, since all languages are syntactic anyway (some sorts of protocol
 > handlers)

AFAIK languages are a subset of protocols whit rules about what is
legal/correct and how to compose the legal object together (and that
is the syntax in linguistics). Therefore no language is non syntactic,
it can use something different than sequences of nonspecialized gliphs
- usually meant to represent sounds - or specialized ones meant to
represent programming concepts.

 >  There are cases which are not that obvious, say pointers in C but not
 > in Java, but the closest implementation you can reproduce in Java is
 > through the command object pattern

You mean function pointers?

 >  well, there will always be "poets" out there! But they will always be
 > about meaning and not "language" per se. I think

main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"], (unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

David Korn, AT&T Bell Labs, ioccc best One Liner, 1987

And many Brian Westley creations.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Bob Proulx]

Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > AP wrote:
> >   ...snip...
> > > It is really wonder to know that Debian doesn't include them because
> > > of yet another war of licensewhatever...If the actual code is
> > > free, still such issues arise is a wonder to think! I now think
> > > that KMail must be a bit less resourceful than Thunderbird.
> > 
> > Debian does include them. It renamed them to keep from violating
> > mozilla's trademark. Firefox is iceweasel. Thunderbird is icedove.  
> 
> If Debian would include them from upstream as they are, they could call
> them Firefox and Thunderbird as quasi every other Linux distro does. But
> as already pointed out several times before, you are not allowed to
> change a single thing, not even to stay away from Google for the
> startpage for the first start. Thunderbird opens (at least opened) with
> advertisings, when started for the very first time, what Debian software
> opens with advertisings?

It was really about the nonfree logos.  A painful situation.  You can
read all about it here.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel

And for deeper details...

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622

Bob

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flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Matthias Bodenbinder]

Am 03.12.2013 09:15, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:

>>> I have to add that I can mount the CD manually (mount /dev/sr0 
>>> /media/cdrom) without problem.
>>
>> What was upgraded? Take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log, synaptics
>> history or what ever you are using to upgrade.
> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/21657/show-apt-get-installed-packages-history-via-commandline
> 
> Anything in ~/.xsession-errors?


~/.xsession-errors does not show anything.

/var/log/apt/history.log only contains entries from today, but the problem is 
already a few days old. Dont know when it occured the first time because I am 
not handling CDs that often.

Matthias



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:21 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> It was really about the nonfree logos.  A painful situation.  You can
> read all about it here.
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel

I know the story, but I wasn't aware about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceweasel_13.png

The Iceweasel logo, but the _Google_ text is: "Thanks for choosing
Firefox!"

What would happen, if a Debian packager would make Iceweasel start with
about:blank instead of Google?

Some time ago I decided to contribute to Linux by building packages (not
for Debian), but then I didn't, because I'm not willing to become a
lawyer.


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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:26 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> /var/log/apt/history.log only contains entries from today, but the
> problem is already a few days old. Dont know when it occured the first
> time because I am not handling CDs that often.

"To view the logs available:

ls -la /var/log/apt/" -
http://askubuntu.com/questions/21657/show-apt-get-installed-packages-history-via-commandline




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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Matthias Bodenbinder]

And what I also find strange is, that I do not see ANY log entry when I close 
the tray with a new CD. Not in syslog, daemon.log, messages or user.log.

Can this be a dbus issue?

Matthias


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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 10:23 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> Can this be a dbus issue?

MO it could, but as written off-list in German, udev might be the
culprit too. And for GNOME-like DE's such as Xfce, it should be the task
of gvfs, while for KDE it might be KIO.



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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 10:31 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 10:23 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> > Can this be a dbus issue?
> 
> MO it could, but as written off-list in German, udev might be the
> culprit too. And for GNOME-like DE's such as Xfce, it should be the task
> of gvfs, while for KDE it might be KIO.

A security issue might be possible too, perhaps the kid family is
broken, policy kit or whatever might have to do with it.



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 03 dec 13, 07:56:50, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 20:15 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > I always install Thunderbird if I am setting up a Windows box for 
> > someone.  Well, I did when I still had to have contact with Windows.  
> > And the same for Firefox.  Now that Google Chrome is available and is 
> > cross-platform, I would offer both.
> 
> Firefox and Thunderbird are a good choice _for Windows_, another good
> choice is Opera.

Both Claws and Sylpheed work fine under Windows.

Kind regards,
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Re: how to activate php in apache

[François Patte]

Le 03/12/2013 00:14, Bob Proulx a écrit :
> François Patte wrote:
>> I'd like to anable php with apache web server.
>>
>> apache2 is installed
>> php5 is installed.
>> apache php module is activated
> 
> The above is just too vague and ambiguous.  Do you mean this?

Where is the ambiguity?
> 
>   apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
> 
> If you meant anything else by "activated" please say exactly what you
> mean.  Because with the above there is no need for 'a2enmod' or any
> other commands.  It will be available immediately after the above.

What do you suppose: I am a dumb person trying to run php in an apache
server without apache and without php?

I said that because after running a2enmod php5 I got:

Module php5 already enabled

> 
>> But php is not working...ie.:
>>
>> > phpinfo');
>> ?>
> 
> If that is verbatim then that is the problem.  Note the syntax errors
> in the above.  Try this verbatim instead.
> 
>   

Yes typo here in the mail.

> 
>> does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)
> 
> How did /var/www get 644 permissions?  That is also incorrect.

You misunderstood the sentence: the file where the php command is
written is in /var/www and has 644 permissions... (/var/www has, of
course, 755 permissions).

Re-reading my first message, I can't see any extra w in /var/www !

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Re: aptitude: cancel intended install

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 03 dec 13, 12:21:46, Richard Hector wrote:
> 
> That doesn't remove all those packages from the list. Is that a bug? Is
> there another way to cancel these planned installations? I think that's
> doable with interactive aptitude, but I'd rather stick with the
> commandline if I can.

aptitude keep-all

In interactive mode it's 'Cancel Pending Actions' from the 'Actions' 
menu.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> I used it for years, it was and likely is excellent, but not a native
> Linux app and as already mentioned before, I dislike the Mozilla policy.

Well, I would say some people like the Mozilla policy and some not.
Its personalthough.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> Phishing = faked web sites that ask you to give passwords etc. have nothing
> to do with the used operating system.

Oh I see.

> Attacks that use buffer overflows and other bugs or weak points are the less
> likely, the less the software is used. You for sure won't find backdoors in
> open source code, backdoors for the NSA, for marketing etc. are exclusive
> provided
> by Microsoft and Apple and _closed_ source for Linux.

> Linux servers are as often attacked as other servers too. Linux audio web
> sites
> very often where hacked.

Then "phishing" activates only when one types the credentials into the
fraud login prompts and if we just don't login on those fake pages --
we are free from Phishing attacks I guess.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM,   wrote:

> Personally, I use KMail. It's a lot less resource intensive than Thunderbird
> (Called Icedove in Debian.), does the job well, and integrates with KDE SC,
> including Plasma and Kontact. Thunderbird doesn't integrate well even in
> "native" GTK+ environments.

Oh I see.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Doug McGarrett  wrote:

> Thunderbird is excellent. Have been using it exclusively for several years,
> ever since
> KMail screwed me by printing about 5% of my incoming mail in some Asian
> script
> that could not be recovered into English.

Oh I see. Anyways, you confirm that Thunderbird must be given a trial.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:

> Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not 
> regarding to
> freedom.

Your mean privacy?


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:

> Yes, millions of hackers are looking at the code too, not only the "good
> guys" ;). It's more interesting to find _and use_ the one and only
> security whole to get access to the French military and your private
> mails and data, than to find one of the thousands security wholes for a
> MUA used by a handful of computer freaks and your private mails and
> data.

But then developers should create such clients which have such codes
that are typical to hack or not possible to hackelse end users
would come into trouble.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Doug McGarrett
 wrote:

> And just sacrifice something else useful to the great god FOSS!

Yeah, FOSS is computer's God nowadays;)-


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Re: Linux' (and other OS's) code patterns present in device drivers, the kernel and userland code ...

[Jonathan Dowland]

I'm sorry, I still don't fully understand the point you are trying
to make, but I'll try...

On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 08:26:04PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>  as I mentioned in relation to adler32's hashing implementation, there
> are quite a few important libraries heavily using it:
> ~
>  
> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=adler32&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any

This isn't a very reliable way to ascertain this, because...

>  I think code correlation issues, even if not a totally trivial,
> syntactic problem (compilers could take care of), pertains only to
> adler32's hashing implementation, yet in the case of such relatively
> straightforward and simple piece of code (more than) 16 libraries
> include their own implementations:
> ~
>  golang | grub | lib32go0 | lib64go0 | libavutil | libbotan1 |
> libcrypto++ | libgcj12 | libghc | libgo0 | libsrecord | libwireshark |
> openswan | php5 | ri1 | tcllib

...You are listing binary package search results. Several of those binary
packages are from the same source package (e.g., lib32go0, lib64go0,
libgo0 all belong to the source package gcc-4.7).

The simplicity of the hash implementation is one reason that there is
such code duplication. I recall once looking for an MD5 library for a
program I was working on and finding instead embedded copies of MD5
implementations everywhere.  I eventually took the public domain one
from dpkg.

Libraries don't come for free. The work required to create a shared
"libmd5" library would far outweigh the work writing the algorithm
itself. The same is probably true for all individual hash algorithms.

Shared libraries that offer a collection of hashes do exist, there is
also a cost for a downstream user to use a library: license concerns
(GPL vs. openssl for example); portability issues; increasing the
complexity of source builds for some.

> In the search results above, golang 
> ~
>  and many such as rsync and zlib do their own adler32 hashing in code modules
> ~

Even when an appropriate shared library does exist, you could only
use it in C directly: for C++ or scripting languages you would need
to wrap the C library in native bits to make it work. To do this for
a simple algorithm and the wrapping would once again outweigh the 
algorithm. In many cases, you would also lose one of the reasons you
were writing in a higher-level language in the first place, with your
library interface either a close match to the C semantics or a thick
abstraction layer. In some cases you would get better performance
re-implementing the algorithm. In some cases, of course, you get better
performance using a C (or assembler) implementation.

>  For example, this is what {kadav, swift} @cs.wisc.edu say about
> (similar) code patterns:
> ~
>  http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kadav/study/study.pdf

I don't see the resemblance between this paper and what I have
interpreted you as trying to say above.

P.S.: what's with all the tildes?


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM,   wrote:

> I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that
> works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but
> every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit
> the same sort of relevance as Google. But Google using my search for
> advertising doesn't bother me.

Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal
information (whatever that info might be) -- if it collects
thatElse, I have no issues with Google, after all its the greatest
search engine!


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> In the end, suck it and see.  No email client is perfect.  Most are
> good.  How many people use it is not necessarily a good criterion.
> Think of Outlook and Outlook Express!

I agree with you Lisi that no email client is 100% perfect and the
most of them are good because all work.

> Perhaps choose a DE or WM first and use that choice to inform your choice of 
> email client.  The "matching" one will use up fewer extra
> resources.

Or better options is to install in the main distribution one by one.
Like using one for one week and then trying next -- it gives a feel
too!


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM, John Hasler  wrote:

>> The email clients continuously emulate each other...

> Except for Gnus.

Why this is an exception?


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> Roughly, Mozilla said that they had to have the last word on anything
> going out under their copyright.  Debian said taht they had to have
> the last word on any packages going into the official repositories.
> These two were incompatible.

> So they agreed to differ.  Debian agreed not to use the
> copyrighted/trademarked names: Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey etc..
> They were removed from all the software packages going into Debian.
> (Well, in theory at least!  There were/are traces taht got missed.)
> Debian uses the Open Source Mozilla applications, but calls them
> Iceweasel, Icedove, IceApe etc.

Oh I see. And people use both of them!


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> Yes, I have experience of it.  It is good email client.  But I
> personally do not like it as much as many people do.  It used to be
> much better for newbies than other clients, but I think that that is
> no longer true.

> Depending on circumstances, it is a plus point that it is available
> for several OS's.  It can be useful if someone is reluctant to leave
> Windows.  Change over to Linux is less traumatic if someone can use
> it first in Windows and continue to use the same applications in
> Linux.

> I always install Thunderbird if I am setting up a Windows box for
> someone.  Well, I did when I still had to have contact with Windows.
> And the same for Firefox.  Now that Google Chrome is available and is
> cross-platform, I would offer both.

> I used to install Thunderbird for newbies whose boxen I was
> administering.  I still have one person using Thunderbird.  He has
> adapted it to his needs and obviously wants to stick with it.

> But it is not what I now install.  You cannot go wrong with it, but I
> do not think that it is the best.  It has, however got a lot of
> add-ons, which some people appreciate.  It also has good
> documentation available (on line) which is too rarely true of FLOSS,
> and is a great advantage.

In the net-shell, it is good and can be used for new users but you
mean KMail too is equally well.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:

> My aversion against Mozillas is not objective.

But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:

> The last time I wanted to test Thunderbird again, some month ago,
> it opened with advertisings.

Okay, that's why you feel the other one is better...ok, fair enough.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon  wrote:

> Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and
> senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To
> the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have
> you at a disadvantage. Note that I said that the phisher attacks you,
> not the software that you are using. The warning is half in jest. The
> world is not chock full of evil people, really.

And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some link.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:38 +0530, AP wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> 
> > Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not 
> > regarding to
> > freedom.
> 
> Your mean privacy?

Yes + the whole "philosophy" isn't too _my_ taste.



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:39 +0530, AP wrote:
> But then developers should create such clients which have such codes
> that are [...] not possible to hack

Everything can be hacked, it's a race!


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> 
> > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective.
> 
> But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer.

Yes, regarding to the open source code.

But simply start using some MUAs ;).



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:59 +0530, AP wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective.
> > 
> > But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer.
> 
> Yes, regarding to the open source code.
> 
> But simply start using some MUAs ;).

and web browser ;).



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le 03/12/2013 11:18, AP a écrit :
[...]

It seems that your mail client breaks threads.
I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're 
responded to.


Not easy to read.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

You don't need to be subscribe, to take a look at mailing lists archives
or to read forums ;). Take a look at lists and forms for the MUAs and
make your own opinion, when on mailing lists and forums, distros are
blamed for bugs. If there is less good compatibility to older versions
of the MUA or if it often fails, when a distro does use the "wrong"
versions for dependencies, than the MUA might be perfect if you follow
the upstream ideas, but you usually can't, since a distro not only cares
about the MUA, but about all the software they distribute.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gilles Mocellin
 wrote:

> It seems that your mail client breaks threads.
> I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're
> responded to.

Yes it is agreed because I heard it a type of Mozilla bug too! I am
not sure of it and that's why have decided to set-up a mail client.
RIght and for the time being, I am just replying (from the "Reply"
button) and in the browser like Opera or Firefox.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> Everything can be hacked, it's a race!

Agreed but what I meant is that as soon as something is hacked/prone
to be hacked, developers can do the proper required patching or
editing the code so that the existing hole can be blocked. If a
further such a possibility arises, they again do so by looking at the
code and thus process is endlessYes its a race! I guess our life
is a race!


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use
a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and
icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install
more dependencies than you might want to install and you need to learn
more, than you want to learn at the beginning.

The most important to know about dependencies is that KDE is based on Qt
and much other software is based on GTK. GTK3 IMO has a special (bad)
status, very common is GTK2 too. There are rumors about GTK3 I won't
spread now and GTK2 is outdated.

I don't like Kmail, but regarding to dependencies, it _seems_ to be the
most reliable MUA.

All MUAs do their job, all MUAs have advantages and drawbacks. The
"philosophy" of Linux is self-responsibility, IOW you need to find out
yourself what's good for you.

You can use all of the mentioned MUAs.

Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they
all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are
independent of the used MUA, e.g. encryption.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

A last note to this thread, I won't reply again too this thread.

"Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives (also known as Finagle's corollary
to Murphy's Law) is usually rendered:
Anything that can go wrong, will—at the worst possible moment" - Wiki

What MUA should I use, Kmail or Thunderbird?

is analog too

With whom should I fall in love, with women or men?

What ever you decide, you'll experience issues.

Next step.

Should I use POP or IMAP?

is analog to

Should I fall in love with brunette or blond?

What ever you decide, you'll experience issues.

:p

You already said: "I guess our life is a race!"

and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of "issue" ;p.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use
> a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and
> icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install
> more dependencies than you might want to install and you need to learn
> more, than you want to learn at the beginning.

> The most important to know about dependencies is that KDE is based on Qt
> and much other software is based on GTK. GTK3 IMO has a special (bad)
> status, very common is GTK2 too. There are rumors about GTK3 I won't
> spread now and GTK2 is outdated.

> I don't like Kmail, but regarding to dependencies, it _seems_ to be the
> most reliable MUA.

> All MUAs do their job, all MUAs have advantages and drawbacks. The
> "philosophy" of Linux is self-responsibility, IOW you need to find out
> yourself what's good for you.

> You can use all of the mentioned MUAs.

> Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they
> all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are
> independent of the used MUA, e.g. encryption.

You concluded very well. I guess I must start with KMail because of
the K-factor (yes, I am on KDE). And then later can try Thunderbird
and Evolution. I just asked about Thunderbird with a bit more emphasis
because I just heard it here and therewith some priorityWell,
I didn't know about what that priority was.But the bottom line:
use any one and then check. While sitting on Linux, I feel this is
very correct: "Linux is self-responsibility".


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> You already said: "I guess our life is a race!"

> and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of "issue" ;p.

The end is not any kind of issue because the end is sure and this is
known. If you call it an issue, I can call it an event. But the
conclusion: "sure to happen" and is no more a bug!

I said that seeing what really happens. Race..ok, but race towards
death because that is the ultimate value assigned to any living
creature...But then calling life a race is not bad, we have to do
something until we are living on this earth. So we are in the race of
life!

Enough off-topic deviation. I close this thread now since the
conclusions is received. And I see some thingsand then ask if I
get confused

Thanks.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:12 +0530, AP wrote:
> You concluded very well. I guess I must start with KMail because of
> the K-factor (yes, I am on KDE). And then later can try Thunderbird
> and Evolution. I just asked about Thunderbird with a bit more emphasis
> because I just heard it here and therewith some priorityWell,
> I didn't know about what that priority was.But the bottom line:
> use any one and then check. While sitting on Linux, I feel this is
> very correct: "Linux is self-responsibility".

PS to my last mail :D.

The most worse step is to do nothing. Everybody has got doubts. After
you fall in love with Mary, you'll notice, you better should have decide
to have a relationship with Simone. But it anyway wasn't a mistake, the
only mistake is to do nothing and to think about what might be the best
step to do. There isn't a best or worst, stagnation is the only worse
thing. Stagnation ends with death and Rock'n'Roll ends with death :p.

I prefer Rock'n'Roll, not always :D.

2 Cents



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Re: how to activate php in apache

[Linux-Fan]

On 12/03/2013 10:50 AM, François Patte wrote:
> You misunderstood the sentence: the file where the php command is
> written is in /var/www and has 644 permissions... (/var/www has, of
> course, 755 permissions).
> 
> Re-reading my first message, I can't see any extra w in /var/www !

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/12/msg00076.html


"[...] does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)"
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Re: how to activate php in apache[solved]

[François Patte]

Le 03/12/2013 14:07, Linux-Fan a écrit :
> On 12/03/2013 10:50 AM, François Patte wrote:
>> You misunderstood the sentence: the file where the php command is
>> written is in /var/www and has 644 permissions... (/var/www has, of
>> course, 755 permissions).
>>
>> Re-reading my first message, I can't see any extra w in /var/www !
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/12/msg00076.html
> 
> 
> "[...] does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)"

As far as I can see in my debian sid install this directory is /var/www
not /var/ww!

And in /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf

DocumentRoot /var/www


Anyway, the pb is solved: in php.ini (from debian) shorthand tags are
disabled... while in php.ini (from php site) it is by default enabled..

Packagers change the default configuration files and it is difficult to
know why and, up to day, no one on this list seems to be aware of this.

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Re: cifs mount problem

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:


  Password:
  Password for root@//wehd/hdd:

Please note the difference for the 2 paswword requests. I suppose that this
can help to explain the difference of behaviour between the 2 nachines.


  forget this:  it's just becaus the cifs-utils versions are different
  2:6.1-1 0 / 2:5.5-1 0

Still waiting for help, if possible.
I must add that
mount -t cifs //wehd/hdd /d6c -o guest
works on the laptaop (without password prompt)
ang ives on the desktop:
mount error(13): Permission denied

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Evolution - Error to empty the trash

[Markos]

Hi,

I can't empty the trash folder.

I see an error message when I do that "File > Empty Trash"

How can I do it manually?

I read the tutorial at
http://taufanlubis.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/cant-empty-evolution-trash-bin-–-error-while-expunging-folder/

but didn't work.

I'm using POP server, Evolution 2.30.3 in Debian Squeeze.

Thanks for any help,
Markos


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"Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:19 +0530, AP wrote:
> close this thread now

Then it's time for me to post this link:

http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client

KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;),
for me there still is no best or "less best". I had this in mind, when
you started the thread :p, but I could resist to mention this.



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Re: how to activate php in apache

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 12/3/2013 3:03 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Bob Proulx wrote:

does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)


How did /var/www get 644 permissions?  That is also incorrect.

   chmod u=rwx,go+rx /var/www


'x' is not required for Apache php scripts.  Unlike PHP CLI, the
script itself is not an executable file (note the lack of a
shebang).


While absolutely correct who is talking about a script?  Look again.
/var/www is a directory not a script.  The 'x' bit on directories
allows them to be searchable.  It is necessary for the /var/www
directory.  If you take that away then you will get a 403 Forbidden
error.



The OP is talking about a script.  Look again:

"does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)".

He's talking about a script in the directory, not the directory itself.


I saw the OP called it "/var/" with an extra 'w' in there.  But I
give the benefit of the doubt and call it a typo and that they really
meant "/var/www" there unless I learn otherwise.



Yes, a script in /var/www.


The ownership is not critical.


On a shared web server, ownership is critical.  The file should not
be owned by the web server, but the web server should be in a group
that has read access to the file.  This prevents other users from
accessing the file.


By default it is root:root.  By not critical I meant that if they had
already changed the ownership to someone else such as to themself that
the php function would still function.  Since they had already changed
the mode of the directory I think it likely that they changed the ower
and group too.  But that won't be the reason that php scripts are not
being interpreted for them.  Since I expected that most people group
user, group and mode together and I already gave instructions for
setting the mode the most natural thing would have been to assume that
they had messed up the owner or group too.

Bob



Ownership of the directory is root:root, but the scripts should *never* 
be owned by root:root.


Jerry


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

AP writes:
> Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal
> information

It won't collect anything you don't give it.  Google search works fine
with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers.
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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

AP writes:
> Why this is [Gnus] an exception?

Gnus is very different from all other MUAs.
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L2TP VPN configuration

[Rob Owens]

I've followed a couple different tutorials on the internet, but I haven't
been able to use L2TP to connect to a VPN from my Wheezy desktop.
Connecting from an Android device works, so I know the server and my
credentials are ok.

Has anybody on the list successfully connected to a VPN using L2TP?  If so,
could you give me some pointers or maybe a link to a tutorial that you used?

Thanks

-Rob

Re: how to activate php in apache[solved]

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 12/3/2013 8:18 AM, François Patte wrote:

Le 03/12/2013 14:07, Linux-Fan a écrit :

On 12/03/2013 10:50 AM, François Patte wrote:

You misunderstood the sentence: the file where the php command is
written is in /var/www and has 644 permissions... (/var/www has, of
course, 755 permissions).

Re-reading my first message, I can't see any extra w in /var/www !


http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/12/msg00076.html


"[...] does not work in /var/ (with 644 permissions)"


As far as I can see in my debian sid install this directory is /var/www
not /var/ww!

And in /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf

DocumentRoot /var/www


Anyway, the pb is solved: in php.ini (from debian) shorthand tags are
disabled... while in php.ini (from php site) it is by default enabled..

Packagers change the default configuration files and it is difficult to
know why and, up to day, no one on this list seems to be aware of this.



It is not just the packager.  short_open_tag=off is recommended by PHP 
(and has been for several versions).  Having it on causes problems with 
XML documents.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote:

> Gnus is very different from all other MUAs.

Well.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote:

> > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal
> > information

> It won't collect anything you don't give it.  Google search works fine
> with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers.

Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was in different impression.

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Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:42:10 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> Then it's time for me to post this link:

> http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client

> KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;),
> for me there still is no best or "less best". I had this in mind, when
> you started the thread :p, but I could resist to mention this.

I guess the world goes like this: It is not necessary that each and every 
thing would be liked by every individual. But they give award to what majority 
says. Like if in a survery 100 users opt for KMails and claim it the best (of 
course, for their use), while 10 yes no, obviously the award winning client 
would be the KMail. But generally, since it works or has worked for more no. 
of people, it would be okay to say that it works in general. But again, as you 
mentioned and you have not liked it, I guess there must be some personal 
requriements which were not fulfiled by KMail when you might have used it.

Note: This message is sent from KMail which I have configured right now.

Can one pleaes let me know if there is any option of Spell-checker or the 
default dictionary in KMail...(like the one exists when one composes e-mail in 
Gmail)?

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[yaro]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> 
>   .snip.
> 
> > Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a "free vs.
> > nonfree" issue. Most software will choose defaults for you and you can
> > change it, even Mozilla. I'm a KDE user, often a lot of KDE defaults I
> > don't like or don't make sense, Kopete being perhaps the worst offender.
> > 
> > I often don't care for software that requires user-side configuration to
> > already be in place when run. By user-side I mean dotfiles in home
> > directory. I do not really mind if I have to set something up in /etc,
> > however, largely because I will most often be changing the defaults.
> 
> What's the difference between "setting something up" in /etc and editing
> a dot file in your home directory?

This shouldn't have to be explained to most Linux administrators.

/etc is for system-wide configuration of software, meant to be handled by the 
administrator and if there's no "default" there's good reason for it. Most the 
configuration there is for stuff you don't want the average user to muck around 
with OR might cause trouble if poorly configured. Not to mention the average 
user has no permissions to change anything on /etc barring root privelege. 
It's not the place for an application to offer *preferences* but pure 
configuration to make sure it works with the system and how the administrator 
NEEDS it to. It is reasonable to expect anyone trying to change THIS 
configuration knows enough about the files to actually understand what they are 
doing.

Dotfiles are all about enabling a user to supply preferences as opposed to pure 
configuration. Instead of it being about setting up the software to work 
"correctly" it's about getting it to be about how the user wants it to do its 
job. The reason why I think a sane application should just set up sane 
defaults is because an end user wants to run their application and then maybe 
change how it works in settings dialogs. *Not* open up a man page and figure 
out the details of the format, syntax, and semantics of a configuration file. 
It 
is NOT reasonable to expect the average user to understand what they are doing 
with that in this context.

This might be fine for a power user (Of which I am one.) but I wouldn't put 
anything that requires manually editing text files for preferences on someone 
else's computer and expect them to use it.

> 
> > I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that
> > works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but
> > every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't
> > hit the same sort of relevance as Google. But Google using my search for
> > advertising doesn't bother me.
> 
> Neither, evidently, does it's personal data collection.

Google is hardly the only service that does this. Chances are the second you 
set up with your ISP someone's already gotten ahold of your personal data. 
Going "fear Google" is unproductive because by the time you even visit their 
site for the first time some information on you is already had. Granted, your 
ISP is unlikely to blindly share it. 

I know it's all the rage to villify Google these days but it really is a 
constant double standard how people blatantly ignore the hundreds of other 
places you give up personal data to on and off the Internet. I'm not saying 
Google is justified, I'm just saying the near-blind Google hate is getting old 
and tired and I have no reason to really care about my personal data as I'm 
not dumb enough to shovel anything actually sensitive in my Google searches.

There's no real guarantee of anonymity on the Internet even if you use things 
such as Tor. I feel fussing and going out of your way to try to get the non-
existant 100% anonymity thing is a waste of productive time.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Siard]

AP:
> John Hasler:
> > AP:
> > > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's
> > > personal information
> 
> > It won't collect anything you don't give it.  Google search works
> > fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no
> > referrers.
> 
> Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was in different impression.

JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 05:00:49 PM Siard wrote:

> JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies.

Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right.

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Pinning OwnCloud

[Veljko]

Hello,

I'm trying to install owncloud-client. It's in testing repository and is not
compatible with some libraries. It seams that version from
http://software.opensuse.org/download is working OK with wheezy. With that
repository, aptitude does not complain. If I remove testing from sources.list
everything is fine, but I want to keep testing repo available for other
things, but don't want it to offer owncloud package. How can I use apt-pinning
to install owncloud-client from 
deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:ownCloud:devel/Debian_7.0/ /
?

Regards,
Veljko


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

I wrote:
> [Google search] won't collect anything you don't give it.  Google
> search works fine with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and
> no referrers.

AP writes:
> Doesn't it store cookies?

Only if you allow it to.
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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

AP writes:
> Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right.

You don't need addons to refuse cookies.
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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:12:50 AM John Hasler wrote:

> You don't need addons to refuse cookies.

Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me to ask 
if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better Privacy and 
then I was assured for it. Can you please elaborate the other method...?
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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

I wrote:
> You don't need addons to refuse cookies.

AP writes:
> Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me
> to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better
> Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you please elaborate the
> other method...?

Iceweasel -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions
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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 12/3/2013 9:22 AM, AP wrote:

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote:


Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal
information



It won't collect anything you don't give it.  Google search works fine
with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers.


Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was in different impression.



If you let it.  But what do you think is in those cookies?  Your home 
address, phone number and birth date?  Or maybe it's just a session 
cookie track what search terms you've entered (which they can do anyway).


Maybe they're just trying to be more user friendly by showing you 
previous search terms you've used to help you with similar searches.


Cookies themselves are not evil.  It's how some marketers have used 
cookies that is evil.


Jerry

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:02:17 AM John Hasler wrote:

> Iceweasel -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions

Or:

Firefox -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions

Thanks.

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Stopping early crypto disks fails

[Volker Wysk]

Hi !

I've encrypted my hard drives, but when I shut down the computer, amongst the 
shutdown messages, I get the following message:

[fail] Stopping early crypto disks vg-root_crypt (busy) failed

I'm wondering what's goin on, and if there needs to be done something about 
it. Except for the message, everything appears to work fine.


Thnx,
Volker Wysk


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[AP]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Cookies themselves are not evil.  It's how some marketers have used
> cookies that is evil.

Unless you did a bank transaction!

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[John Hasler]

Please read this:

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RE: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Stephen P. Molnar]

-Original Message-
From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

Please read this:

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Please stop wasting band width.

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Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Brad Alexander]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 18:19 +0530, AP wrote:
> > close this thread now
>
> Then it's time for me to post this link:
>
> http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client
>
> KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;),
> for me there still is no best or "less best". I had this in mind, when
> you started the thread :p, but I could resist to mention this.
>
>
I like kmail's interfaces. It's just the backend encryption that has a
problem. For whatever reason, it won't let me decrypt and add my s/mime
certificate on my installation at work, and at home, it uses gpg, but folks
using icedove isn't attractive either. It seems to suck cpu and memory.

Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 21:02 +0630, AP wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:42:10 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > Then it's time for me to post this link:
> 
> > http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client
> 
> > KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;),
> > for me there still is no best or "less best". I had this in mind, when
> > you started the thread :p, but I could resist to mention this.
> 
> I guess the world goes like this: It is not necessary that each and every 
> thing would be liked by every individual. But they give award to what 
> majority 
> says. Like if in a survery 100 users opt for KMails and claim it the best (of 
> course, for their use), while 10 yes no, obviously the award winning client 
> would be the KMail. But generally, since it works or has worked for more no. 
> of people, it would be okay to say that it works in general. But again, as 
> you 
> mentioned and you have not liked it, I guess there must be some personal 
> requriements which were not fulfiled by KMail when you might have used it.
> 
> Note: This message is sent from KMail which I have configured right now.
> 
> Can one pleaes let me know if there is any option of Spell-checker or the 
> default dictionary in KMail...(like the one exists when one composes e-mail 
> in 
> Gmail)?

I can see it in the header of your mail:

"KMail/4.10.5 (Linux/3.7.10-1.16-desktop; KDE/4.10.5; i686; ; )" FWIW,
your mail seems to be perfect :) but I didn't check if the thread is
ok ;).

Spell checking is possible, I'm not booted to my Kubunt where I use
KMail too, so I can't say how it can be activated right now, but spell
checking definitively is possible. I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is
a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking
doesn't notice the difference between "be" and "bee" or "then" and
"than", it still allows me to write as an idiot :D.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 09:38 -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> Google

Yesno, people who use twitter and facebook don't need to care about a
Google search ;).


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 12/3/2013 10:58 AM, AP wrote:

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote:


Cookies themselves are not evil.  It's how some marketers have used
cookies that is evil.


Unless you did a bank transaction!



And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction?

In fact, all banks I know of need to use cookies to manage signons. 
It's how the bank (or any site that uses signons) knows which computer 
is signed on.


You obviously don't understand how cookies work and how they are needed 
on websites.


Jerry


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 12:29 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
> 
> Please read this:
> 
> -- 
> John Hasler 
> jhas...@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
> 
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Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Neal Murphy]

On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:05:50 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is
> a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking
> doesn't notice the difference between "be" and "bee" or "then" and
> "than", it still allows me to write as an idiot :D.

Lesdyxics of the world untie! Spell checking is easy. Grammar checking is a 
largely intractable problem, at least where the semi-free-form, freely-
foreign-word-borrowing English language is concerned. If they were easy to 
write, grammar checkers would be the norm. (Though in my day, they were rather 
plentiful. They were called 'nuns'.)


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OT: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 13:35 -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:05:50 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is
> > a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking
> > doesn't notice the difference between "be" and "bee" or "then" and
> > "than", it still allows me to write as an idiot :D.
> 
> Lesdyxics of the world untie! Spell checking is easy. Grammar checking is a 
> largely intractable problem, at least where the semi-free-form, freely-
> foreign-word-borrowing English language is concerned. If they were easy to 
> write, grammar checkers would be the norm. (Though in my day, they were 
> rather 
> plentiful. They were called 'nuns'.)

Grammar checking doesn't work until today, but psychotherapy done by
ELIZA is quite close to a real psychotherapy ;). I really fear the
weapon systems that are "perfect" and should not cause collateral
damages. Some of my childhood and youth idols, Joseph Weizenbaum and
Marvin Minsky likely are not innocent for spreading the impression that
computers are more save than they are. For _any_ decision I prefer a
stupid human over a "smart" computer.



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Re: aptitude: cancel intended install

[Tom H]

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Richard Hector  wrote:
> On 03/12/13 12:55, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> I don't know whether or not it's a bug but this should work:
>>
>> aptitude remove $(aptitude search ~ainstall -F%p)
>
> That's great, thanks - the -F option is new to me and will be very
> useful :-)

You're welcome.

aptitude's search patterns and output customiztion are its great
strength. I only ever use aptitude with "aptitude search ...". It's
too bad that we can't search for repository component.


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Re: CD drive not showing up anymore

[Slavko]

Ahoj,

Dňa Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:38:00 +0100 Ralf Mardorf
 napísal:

> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 10:31 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 10:23 +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> > > Can this be a dbus issue?
> > 
> > MO it could, but as written off-list in German, udev might be the
> > culprit too. And for GNOME-like DE's such as Xfce, it should be the
> > task of gvfs, while for KDE it might be KIO.
> 
> A security issue might be possible too, perhaps the kid family is
> broken, policy kit or whatever might have to do with it.

My daughter has similar problem. I investigated it remotely only, but
it seems, that the CD/DVD drive is not recognized at boot time. Then it
is not a DE's related problem. I cannot tell more yet.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Robert Holtzman]

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon  
> wrote:
> 
> > Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and
> > senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To
> > the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have
> > you at a disadvantage. Note that I said that the phisher attacks you,
> > not the software that you are using. The warning is half in jest. The
> > world is not chock full of evil people, really.
> 
> And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some link.

Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or
typing.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Robert Holtzman]

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 08:51:44PM +0630, AP wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > Gnus is very different from all other MUAs.
> 
> Well.

A wonderful post, filled with information.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 12/3/2013 2:24 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:56:21PM +0530, AP wrote:

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon  wrote:


Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and
senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To
the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have
you at a disadvantage. Note that I said that the phisher attacks you,
not the software that you are using. The warning is half in jest. The
world is not chock full of evil people, really.


And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some link.


Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or
typing.



I think what he's referring to is the visible link normally has a 
recognizable website such as www.example.com, while the actual link 
takes you to www.invalid.com.


If you always type in the website name, you can't be misdirected like 
that.  Any website subject to phishing will say the same thing - PayPal, 
for instance.  Also my bank.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700
Robert Holtzman  wrote:

Hello Robert,

>Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or
>typing.

That's true of course.  I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is
that a phishing email will likely contain a link to a web site that
impersonates a legitimate one.  For example;

Text to lure you

If you type the name of a legitimate site, rather than rely on the link
in an email, you're less likely to end up visiting a dodgy site.  In
fact, I get emails from the banks I have dealings with that suggest you
type in their url rather than rely on links to avoid any mishaps,
because they (the banks) know that phishing attempts are often made
using clones of their login pages on dodgy sites.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700
> Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> >Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or
> >typing.
> 
> That's true of course.  I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is
> that a phishing email will likely contain a link to a web site that
> impersonates a legitimate one.  For example;
> 
> Text to lure you
> 
> If you type the name of a legitimate site, rather than rely on the link
> in an email, you're less likely to end up visiting a dodgy site.  In
> fact, I get emails from the banks I have dealings with that suggest you
> type in their url rather than rely on links to avoid any mishaps,
> because they (the banks) know that phishing attempts are often made
> using clones of their login pages on dodgy sites.

If we move the mouse cursor over the "Text to lure you", we usually see
the "dodgy/phishing/web/site" somewhere displayed by our MUAs.

I usually receive "My house bank links" that in reality are "Some
obscure never ever-land links".

Very nice are "police" links. E.g. "We detected child porn on your
computer. Just pay 50,-€ and it's ok." The German "police" not only
allows you to have child porn on your computer, if you pay 50,-€ ;),
they also write in broken German ;). I wonder about the target group of
such phishing mails.


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 21:16 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:24:50 -0700
> > Robert Holtzman  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Robert,
> > 
> > >Wrong. Evil web sites don't care how you access them, clicking or
> > >typing.
> > 
> > That's true of course.  I think AP's point (expressed poorly perhaps) is
> > that a phishing email will likely contain a link to a web site that
> > impersonates a legitimate one.  For example;
> > 
> > Text to lure you
> > 
> > If you type the name of a legitimate site, rather than rely on the link
> > in an email, you're less likely to end up visiting a dodgy site.  In
> > fact, I get emails from the banks I have dealings with that suggest you
> > type in their url rather than rely on links to avoid any mishaps,
> > because they (the banks) know that phishing attempts are often made
> > using clones of their login pages on dodgy sites.
> 
> If we move the mouse cursor over the "Text to lure you", we usually see
> the "dodgy/phishing/web/site" somewhere displayed by our MUAs.
> 
> I usually receive "My house bank links" that in reality are "Some
> obscure never ever-land links".
> 
> Very nice are "police" links. E.g. "We detected child porn on your
> computer. Just pay 50,-€ and it's ok." The German "police" not only
> allows you to have child porn on your computer, if you pay 50,-€ ;),
> they also write in broken German ;). I wonder about the target group of
> such phishing mails.

I guess much more exemplary than "child porn detection" is "virus
detection".

"We detect a virus on you Windows install", on a Linux only machine ;).

There must be some hidden Windows installs with tons of child porn
routekits inside my HDD's MBRs ;).


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Robert Holtzman]

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 09:38:51AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:12:36 AM Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 11:51:41AM -0600, y...@marupa.net wrote:
> > 
> >   .snip.
> > 
> > > Oh, that does clear it up. But again, I don't see that as a "free vs.
> > > nonfree" issue. Most software will choose defaults for you and you can
> > > change it, even Mozilla. I'm a KDE user, often a lot of KDE defaults I
> > > don't like or don't make sense, Kopete being perhaps the worst offender.
> > > 
> > > I often don't care for software that requires user-side configuration to
> > > already be in place when run. By user-side I mean dotfiles in home
> > > directory. I do not really mind if I have to set something up in /etc,
> > > however, largely because I will most often be changing the defaults.
> > 
> > What's the difference between "setting something up" in /etc and editing
> > a dot file in your home directory?
> 
> This shouldn't have to be explained to most Linux administrators.

While I'm not a professional sysadmin, I'm well aware of your
explanation below.

> 
> /etc is for system-wide configuration of software, meant to be handled by the 
> administrator and if there's no "default" there's good reason for it.

  ...snip..
> 
> This might be fine for a power user (Of which I am one.) but I wouldn't put 
> anything that requires manually editing text files for preferences on someone 
> else's computer and expect them to use it.

Your post that I replied to indicated that *you* didn't care for s/w
that required user side configuration to be in place when run. I didn't
see any discussion about what sort of user you had in mind and nothing
about setting up a box for someone else. It implied that you didn't care
for it for *your* use.

  snip..
> 
> Google is hardly the only service that does this. Chances are the second you 
> set up with your ISP someone's already gotten ahold of your personal data. 

 ..snip
> 
> There's no real guarantee of anonymity on the Internet even if you use things 
> such as Tor. I feel fussing and going out of your way to try to get the non-
> existant 100% anonymity thing is a waste of productive time.

True but that doesn't mean you should surrender to each and every one.
You sound like Larry Ellison.

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Re: cifs mount problem

[David Christensen]

On 12/03/2013 05:22 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

Still waiting for help, if possible.


You might want to try the Samba mailing list:

https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba


HTH,

David


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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Robert Holtzman]

On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 01:07:59PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

  ...snip...
> 
> You can use all of the mentioned MUAs.
> 
> Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they
> all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are
> independent of the used MUA, e.g. encryption.

There seems to be a preoccupation with GUI MUAs on this thread. To me,
these are all eye candy. There's nothing wrong with a text based MUA
like Alpine or Mutt with Alpine being particularly well suited to a
noob and very easy to set up.

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plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Stan Hoeppner]

This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago.  There have been 211 posts
(including this one) in this thread.  I dare say it ceased being
productive or insightful many, many posts ago.  And it ceased having
anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago.

Let's move on to something worthwhile.

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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Joe]

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:28:31 +0630
AP  wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
> > Cookies themselves are not evil.  It's how some marketers have used
> > cookies that is evil.
> 
> Unless you did a bank transaction!
> 

One would hope that no bank was stupid enough to include confidential
information in cookies. Every now and then, a browser turns out to have
a vulnerability that allows scripts to read cookies deposited by
someone else's website, and it seems unlikely this will ever stop
happening.

And as Jerry hints, there are companies who gain permission to leave
and read their own cookies on a range of legitimate websites, and the
marketing company's own database can then correlate different sites you
visit, with a view to placing targeted adverts.

For the most part, cookies contain fairly unimportant information,
often simply to keep track of the stage reached in a multiple-step
transaction. Many e-commerce (and banking) sites won't work if
cookies are refused altogether.

Firefox at least can be set to drop cookies when it closes, except
for sites specifically allowed to leave them, and can also treat
third-party cookies (generally the data-mining ones) differently from
the site's own cookies.

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Re: Problem Installing VMWare Tools in Debian Testing/Jessie

[Jacek Waluk]

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Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago.  There have been 211 posts
> (including this one) in this thread.  I dare say it ceased being
> productive or insightful many, many posts ago.  And it ceased having
> anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago.
> 
> Let's move on to something worthwhile.

Mailer used by Stan is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1", so filtering unwanted threads
doesn't work that good for Thunderbird, perhaps a drawback of
Thunderbird when using mailing lists. Just a guess ;).



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Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 12/3/2013 2:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago.  There have been 211 posts
>> (including this one) in this thread.  I dare say it ceased being
>> productive or insightful many, many posts ago.  And it ceased having
>> anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago.
>>
>> Let's move on to something worthwhile.
> 
> Mailer used by Stan is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0)
> Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1", so filtering unwanted threads
> doesn't work that good for Thunderbird, perhaps a drawback of
> Thunderbird when using mailing lists. Just a guess ;).

I'll start depositing paper bags full of dogs poop on your front porch
20 times a day and light each on fire.  Your reaction to that will
clearly demonstrate whether the problem has anything to do with your
ability to filter the flaming dog poop, or if something needs to be done
about the person depositing it on your porch.  Especially given that
rules are already in place to prevent such a thing.  In this case they
simply haven't been enforced yet.  For your sake, take a clue, and
extricate yourself from this argument before they are enforced.  Don't
assume that simply because it doesn't happen often that people don't get
banned from debian-user.

Ralf, do you really want to be known as the only person in 2013 to be
banned from debian-user?  And for what?  A stupid argument over mail
clients?

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Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[David Guntner]

Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago.  There have been 211 posts
>> (including this one) in this thread.  I dare say it ceased being
>> productive or insightful many, many posts ago.  And it ceased having
>> anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago.
>>
>> Let's move on to something worthwhile.
> 
> Mailer used by Stan is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0)
> Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1", so filtering unwanted threads
> doesn't work that good for Thunderbird, perhaps a drawback of
> Thunderbird when using mailing lists. Just a guess ;).

It works fine for Thunderbird.  It's just that one shouldn't HAVE to
filter out *off topic* threads that go on so long.  There's a Debian
"Off Topic" list for that, and you bloody well know it.

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Re: OT: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Brian]

On Tue 03 Dec 2013 at 20:03:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> Grammar checking doesn't work until today, but psychotherapy done by
> ELIZA is quite close to a real psychotherapy ;). I really fear the
> weapon systems that are "perfect" and should not cause collateral
> damages. Some of my childhood and youth idols, Joseph Weizenbaum and
> Marvin Minsky likely are not innocent for spreading the impression that
> computers are more save than they are. For _any_ decision I prefer a
> stupid human over a "smart" computer.

This mail has plumbed the depths of self-indulgence. Nothing matters
except the poster wishes to express himself on another subject after
going down all the byways presented by each and every post made to the
List. It is neverending.

After reading the post above you may be wondering what purpose -user
serves. It seems to have become a chit-chat mailing list and devoid of
self-discipline or anything remotely technical. Anything goes.

I prefer a stupid human being trying to answer problems Debian throws up
rather than a "smart" bot which may think this List is here for his own
amusement.


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Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:22 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 12/3/2013 2:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 14:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> This thread began on Nov 24th, 10 days ago.  There have been 211 posts
> >> (including this one) in this thread.  I dare say it ceased being
> >> productive or insightful many, many posts ago.  And it ceased having
> >> anything to do with Debian Linux quite a while ago.
> >>
> >> Let's move on to something worthwhile.
> > 
> > Mailer used by Stan is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0)
> > Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1", so filtering unwanted threads
> > doesn't work that good for Thunderbird, perhaps a drawback of
> > Thunderbird when using mailing lists. Just a guess ;).
> 
> I'll start depositing paper bags full of dogs poop on your front porch
> 20 times a day and light each on fire.  Your reaction to that will
> clearly demonstrate whether the problem has anything to do with your
> ability to filter the flaming dog poop, or if something needs to be done
> about the person depositing it on your porch.  Especially given that
> rules are already in place to prevent such a thing.  In this case they
> simply haven't been enforced yet.  For your sake, take a clue, and
> extricate yourself from this argument before they are enforced.  Don't
> assume that simply because it doesn't happen often that people don't get
> banned from debian-user.
> 
> Ralf, do you really want to be known as the only person in 2013 to be
> banned from debian-user?  And for what?  A stupid argument over mail
> clients?

JFTR it wasn't me who did the last replies, it were other users. Those
other users talked about cookies and IMO this explanations, opinions
about cookies are not off-topic. Don't call me stupid, while you plays
mailing list police, just because you don't need information about
cookies. The OP is a newbie and has got newbie questions. Is there a
limit for replying to newbie requests? Please post a link, with such a
mailing list rule, Sheriff.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Brian]

On Tue 03 Dec 2013 at 21:21:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> I guess much more exemplary than "child porn detection" is "virus
> detection".
> 
> "We detect a virus on you Windows install", on a Linux only machine ;).
> 
> There must be some hidden Windows installs with tons of child porn
> routekits inside my HDD's MBRs ;).

You post; you then follow up the posting (sometimes three or four
times). Inevitably, the releance to Debian (or even Linux) is marginal.


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Re: OT: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 21:38 +, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 03 Dec 2013 at 20:03:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> 
> > Grammar checking doesn't work until today, but psychotherapy done by
> > ELIZA is quite close to a real psychotherapy ;). I really fear the
> > weapon systems that are "perfect" and should not cause collateral
> > damages. Some of my childhood and youth idols, Joseph Weizenbaum and
> > Marvin Minsky likely are not innocent for spreading the impression that
> > computers are more save than they are. For _any_ decision I prefer a
> > stupid human over a "smart" computer.
> 
> This mail has plumbed the depths of self-indulgence. Nothing matters
> except the poster wishes to express himself on another subject after
> going down all the byways presented by each and every post made to the
> List. It is neverending.
> 
> After reading the post above you may be wondering what purpose -user
> serves. It seems to have become a chit-chat mailing list and devoid of
> self-discipline or anything remotely technical. Anything goes.
> 
> I prefer a stupid human being trying to answer problems Debian throws up
> rather than a "smart" bot which may think this List is here for his own
> amusement.

Sorry, this and some other mails should have been sent off-list. But the
argument that this thread was too long and too off-topic isn't true. You
can blame me for several of my mails, but not the majority of replies to
this thread.



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