Re: OpenShot python-mlt package dependency problem - RETRACTED

[Joel Roth]

Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using sid, to get the latest and greatest at
> the cost of some expected pains.
> 
> I need to do some basic video editing. My first choice
> is openshot, advertised as easy to use.

I found that pitivi installs readily, has good docs. I'll
start here. Of course I'm interested to learn about Debian
packaging esoterica, but this is not urgent. 

Thanks

Joel

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Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement

[Joel Roth]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:21:04AM +0530, Kailash wrote:
> On Sunday 06 October 2013 10:01 AM, Joel Roth wrote:
> > xserver-xorg-video-apm
> >   xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-i128
> >   xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
> >   xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-video-tseng
> >   xserver-xorg-video-voodoo

> Hi Joel,
> 
> Atleast in the case of libboost the version will be upgraded from your
> present 1.49 to 1.54
> 
> Re the xorg packages, they all appear to be video drivers which are
> going to be removed.

Hi Kailash,

Thanks for the confirmation. X works after the
upgrade/dist-upgrade, and my foot is still firmly in place,
in relatively pristine condition. :-)

As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and
had some catching up to do.

Cheers,

Joel
 
> HTH,
> Kailash
> 
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One-Stop Debian Box Config Tool: Mailing List Established

[Jarrod O'Flaherty]

Greetings All!

You may recall my post last month calling for collaborators to help with a new 
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Re: Re: Re: How to install latest VLC 2.1.0 in debian

[Anubhav Yadav]

That reply gave me something to think at! Thanks a lot
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Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement

[Joe]

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 21:07:07 -1000
Joel Roth  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:21:04AM +0530, Kailash wrote:
> > On Sunday 06 October 2013 10:01 AM, Joel Roth wrote:
> > > xserver-xorg-video-apm
> > >   xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-chips
> > > xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740
> > > xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
> > > xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-sis
> > > xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-voodoo
> 
> > Hi Joel,
> > 
> > Atleast in the case of libboost the version will be upgraded from
> > your present 1.49 to 1.54
> > 
> > Re the xorg packages, they all appear to be video drivers which are
> > going to be removed.
> 
> Hi Kailash,
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation. X works after the
> upgrade/dist-upgrade, and my foot is still firmly in place,
> in relatively pristine condition. :-)
> 
> As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and
> had some catching up to do.
> 

I have three sids, one of which is upgraded almost daily, the others in
half-gigabyte chunks and with a certain amount of hope. It *is* sid,
after all.

I saw the xorg problem stuff appear and over a few days, reduce in
numbers. Then it stuck for a few more days, and I poked around a bit
and came to the conclusion that the rest was not going away. I do
recall that my first ever video card was s3-based, and that was
mumble-mumble years ago.

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Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement

[Joel Roth]

Joe wrote:
> Joel Roth  wrote:
> > As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and
> > had some catching up to do.

> I have three sids, one of which is upgraded almost daily, the others in
> half-gigabyte chunks and with a certain amount of hope. It *is* sid,
> after all.

Having more than one system partition sounds like an excellent
way to avoid the foot-gun.

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About debain kernel stable repo

[陶治江]

Hello!

I am using debian wheezy, and now I want to focus on
the kernel study, or other stuffs.
I can install release code from linux-source-3.2.xx package,
But I want to ask whether we can access or track the debian
official kernel repos (of stable release), It means I can
using git or svn to get the lastest stable kernel source and the
kernel updating tracks,
without installing the latest source package.

Any info would appreciated.


Nicol



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Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.

[Sharon Kimble]

I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 which I am attempting to connect to, but it
uses the mtp protocol. So after much googling I have
created /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules which says
`SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04e8", ATTR{idProduct}=="6860",
MODE="0600", OWNER="boudiccas"` and have also installed - mtp-tools,
libmtp9, libmtp-runtime, mtpfs, kio-mtp, libmtp-common - from 'testing'
repo. 

When I run 'lsusb' its shown as - 'Bus 002 Device 032: ID 04e8:6860
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S II], GT-P7500
[Galaxy Tab 10.1]' so its at least seen and recognised.

I have then - 'sudo mkdir /media/galaxy
sudo chmod 775 /media/galaxy' and then tried to mount it with - 
'sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy' but this fails saying -
sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy
Listing raw device(s)
Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung GT
P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y. Found 1 device(s): Samsung: GT
P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y (04e8:6860) @ bus 2, dev 32 Attempting to
connect device PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after
resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device
usb_clear_halt() on IN endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on OUT
endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on INTERRUPT endpoint:
Protocol error ignoring usb_claim_interface = -99LIBMTP PANIC: failed
to open session on second attempt Unable to open raw device 0'

Has anyone been able to mount this phone under debian please? And has
anyone got any ideas of what I could try next to mount my phone please?

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Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:39:38AM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Logrotation is not happening for some reason, so stumbling around

What is output of:
apt-cache policy logrotate

> investigating and ran up on /etc/cron.daily/apt

Are we on the same page here? 

> What is the /etc/cron.daily/apt script supposed to do?

Package management via cron.

> Looking thru the script, I couldn't make heads or tails of it. 

I can see I why it could be confusing. :-) 

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[OT] Jerry's in a good mood today (Multiplicity of accounts.)

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle  wrote:
> On 10/5/2013 12:43 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jerry Stuckle 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/4/2013 9:25 PM, Joel Rees wrote:


 Not top posting, just prefacing my comments:

 Are we trying to educate the list in cracking techniques or in ways to
 manage and mitigate the vulnerabilities?

 On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Jerry Stuckle 
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2013 5:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>>
>> Should I add to the confusion?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jerry Stuckle
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2013 8:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:



 On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Jerry Stuckle
 
 wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/2/2013 12:24 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:   Joel Rees 
>> Date:   Wed, 2 Oct 2013 15:30:26 +0900
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>
>
>
>
>>> And accessing your bank logged in as the same user that you use
>>> to
>>> surf random sites is one of the primary causes of leaked bank
>>> account
>>> numbers and passwords.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The banking information is stored in a cookie.  Subsequently a
>> site
>> other
>> than the bank is allowed to read the cookie?  A failure of the
>> browser.
>> Correct?  Prior to studying this thoroughly, I might stick to
>> personal
>> banking.
>>
>
> Not if your browser is working properly.  Cookies can only be sent
> to
> the
> domain which originated them (and, depending on the cookie options,
> subdomains of the main domain).




 subdomains.

 And too many places, bank sites included, outsource parts of their
 sites. Particularly ad-related stuff.

>>>
>>> It doesn't matter if they outsource parts of their sites.  Those
>>> outsourced
>>> sites will have different domains, and the cookies cannot be sent to
>>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>> You must be looking at the page source code of different banks than I
>> am.
>>
> What banks do you know outsource subdomains to someone else?



 Exposure here would only motivate the banks if they were reading this
 mailing list.

 Exposure here would only warn their customers if their customers, or
 even their customers' friends, were reading this mailing list.

 I don't think it would be responsible to name names here, do you?

 However, for users of this list, trying to manage the vulnerabilities
 they expose themselves to, the odds that your bank is using known
 vulnerable techniques are high enough that you need to take some
 effort to limit your own exposure.

>>>
>>> If there were ANY bank which had to read this list to find out they were
>>> exposed, they need a new IT department.
>>>
>>> I don't know about where you are - but here in the United States, they
>>> wouldn't get very far.  There are many layers of regulations and
>>> protections
>>> regarding banking security.  And any bank which had such security
>>> exposures
>>> as you claim would not be allowed to continue operations.
>>>
>>> And no, I am VERY confident ANY bank I have dealt with knows how to
>>> manage
>>> vulnerabilities.  What makes you think otherwise?
>>
>>
>> Hmm. How does one answer such a riff?
>>
>> https://www.google.co.jp/#q=us+bank+vulnerability
>>
>
> Which has absolutely nothing to do with potential security vulnerabilities
> on their website.  But you can't understand the difference.
>
>> and
>>
>> https://www.google.co.jp/#q=bank+information+technology+incompetent
>>
>
> Once again, absolutely nothing to do with any vulnerabilities.  A bunch of
> people bitching about not getting their money as fast as they want, though.
>
>
>> The results of that second search would be quite amusing in some sort
>> of slapstick comedy, although some do include language that would not
>> be approved here. And I am sure the individuals blogging their
>> experiences were not amused.
>>
>
> Yes, it is quite amusing to see you making such a fool of yourself by
> quoting "supporting material" which has absolutely nothing to do with the
> subject (and in many cases is of questionable origin).
>
>
>> And then I had a "flash" of insight:
>>
> [...]
>>
>>
>>> HTML is a scripting language.  Nothing more, nothing less.  [...]
>
> [...]
>>
>>
>> I've had managers who couldn't tell the difference between a markup
>> language and a scripting language, but I'm sure you can.
>>
>
> But they're still a lo

Re: About debain kernel stable repo

[berenger . morel]

Le 06.10.2013 11:11, 陶治江 a écrit :

Hello!

 I am using debian wheezy, and now I want to focus on
 the kernel study, or other stuffs.
 I can install release code from linux-source-3.2.xx package,
 But I want to ask whether we can access or track the debian
 official kernel repos (of stable release), It means I can
 using git or svn to get the lastest stable kernel source and the
 kernel updating tracks,
 without installing the latest source package.

 Any info would appreciated.

 Nicol


This link might help you: https://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=30428
Honestly, I am surprised, it seem they are using svn here, but I 
remember having seen git repo for other packages... Maybe you should ask 
such kind of things on the development mailing list, informations would 
be more precise and or updated.



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Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:34:20AM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 which I am attempting to connect to ...

[..]

> anyone got any ideas of what I could try next to mount my phone please?

If you have a wireless router, have a look at the app AirDroid.

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Recovery mode: impossible to run dpkg ( was Re: boot problem: stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc" )

[berenger . morel]

Le 05.10.2013 14:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :

Hi.
Since my last kernel update my desktop can not boot anymore, it is
stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc". Also, nothing at all reply,
even the keyboard does just nothing.

Of course, I was stupid enough to remove the last kernel without
testing it, and I have no idea about what is wrong.
The kernel currently installed on that computer is 3.10-3, which
works perfectly on that computer ( a netbook ).
I thought it was a problem with my lilo.conf, but I checked it for
the 4th time ( which is not fun on recovery mode, since vim is just
highly bugged in ansi mode ) and it seems fine.
Few searches on the web indicates that it could be a compilation
problem, but I have used the Debian's kernel without any change.
I also tried to reinstall everything (just in case), but it does not
changed anything (of course).


I think I have no other choice than trying to downgrade, so I have used 
ssh to send the packages ( that I kept on that computer ) to the target.
Now, bterm which is used in recovery mode starts to be *very* annoying, 
and avoid dpkg to work!

Here is what the system says:
===
Running depmod.
Error opening terminal: bterm.
debconf: dialog output the above errors, giving up!
dpkg: erreur de traitement de linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 (--install) :
 le sous-processus script post-installation installé à retourné une 
erreur de sortie d'état 255

Des erreur ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 linux-image-3.10-2-amd64
===

dpkg uses french messages, but I think they are useless. What is 
important is that I can not install package in recovery mode, so I can 
not revert my changes, which is very annoying in recovery mode.


I checked if all files were correctly generated in /boot, just in case, 
but the initrd.img file is not. I suppose it is generated by depmod?


Any idea about how to be able to run terminal stuff correctly in 
recovery mode? Maybe changing the terminal (if so, how could I do 
that?)?


Honestly, recovery mode is easier than using the unusable busybox ( I 
stopped installing them when I understood that they allow to do nothing 
else than cd and ls. ), but having it unable to correctly run basic 
tools like text editors and dpkg is not nice. I could use a debian live 
or anything else, but I would like to be able to use the tools debian 
give us to repair damaged systems.



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Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.

[Sharon Kimble]

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:34:20 +0100
Sharon Kimble  wrote:

> I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 which I am attempting to connect to, but it
> uses the mtp protocol. So after much googling I have
> created /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules which says
> `SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04e8", ATTR{idProduct}=="6860",
> MODE="0600", OWNER="boudiccas"` and have also installed - mtp-tools,
> libmtp9, libmtp-runtime, mtpfs, kio-mtp, libmtp-common - from
> 'testing' repo. 
> 
> When I run 'lsusb' its shown as - 'Bus 002 Device 032: ID 04e8:6860
> Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S II], GT-P7500
> [Galaxy Tab 10.1]' so its at least seen and recognised.
> 
> I have then - 'sudo mkdir /media/galaxy
> sudo chmod 775 /media/galaxy' and then tried to mount it with - 
> 'sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy' but this fails saying -
> sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy
> Listing raw device(s)
> Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung GT
> P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
> 7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y. Found 1 device(s): Samsung: GT
> P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
> 7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y (04e8:6860) @ bus 2, dev 32 Attempting to
> connect device PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again
> after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device
> usb_clear_halt() on IN endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on
> OUT endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on INTERRUPT endpoint:
> Protocol error ignoring usb_claim_interface = -99LIBMTP PANIC: failed
> to open session on second attempt Unable to open raw device 0'
> 
> Has anyone been able to mount this phone under debian please? And has
> anyone got any ideas of what I could try next to mount my phone
> please?
> 
Following up on this. 

With 'usb-debugging' enabled on the phone, its now able to 'copy data
between computer and the device' [quoted from the pop-up on the phone]. 

If you dial '*#7284#' you can enter either PDA-mode or MODEM-mode, the
default is PDA-mode. In PDA-mode lsusb sees it as 'Bus 002 Device 048:
ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S II],
GT-P7500 [Galaxy Tab 10.1]' in MODEM-mode its not seen at all.

The phone has two SDcards - an internal, non-removable, one and an
external removable one. 

When the phone and the computer are connected with a usb cable, you get
this - 
nautilus can mount them, but it cant read them. 
dolphin doesn't see them at all
thunar doesn't see them at all
pcmanfm mounts them, and reads them under gphoto2://[usb:002,046]/store_00020002

Success! But I don’t know if creating the udev rule helped or not, and
neither do I know if its using all the extra files I installed from
'testing', but hey, it works!

I'd still like to get it being seen, mounted, and read by nautilus
though as its my file-manager of choice. But two out of three isn’t
bad! :) So if anyone can help getting it read by nautilus, it would be
great!

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[OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 07:46:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:

[Dunno, tl:dr]

How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to
build into an unreadable mess.

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[SOLVED] Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.

[Sharon Kimble]

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:15:14 +0100
Sharon Kimble  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 10:34:20 +0100
> Sharon Kimble  wrote:
> 
> > I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 which I am attempting to connect to, but
> > it uses the mtp protocol. So after much googling I have
> > created /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules which says
> > `SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04e8", ATTR{idProduct}=="6860",
> > MODE="0600", OWNER="boudiccas"` and have also installed - mtp-tools,
> > libmtp9, libmtp-runtime, mtpfs, kio-mtp, libmtp-common - from
> > 'testing' repo. 
> > 
> > When I run 'lsusb' its shown as - 'Bus 002 Device 032: ID 04e8:6860
> > Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S II], GT-P7500
> > [Galaxy Tab 10.1]' so its at least seen and recognised.
> > 
> > I have then - 'sudo mkdir /media/galaxy
> > sudo chmod 775 /media/galaxy' and then tried to mount it with - 
> > 'sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy' but this fails saying -
> > sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/galaxy
> > Listing raw device(s)
> > Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung GT
> > P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
> > 7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y. Found 1 device(s): Samsung: GT
> > P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab
> > 7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y (04e8:6860) @ bus 2, dev 32 Attempting
> > to connect device PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again
> > after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device
> > usb_clear_halt() on IN endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on
> > OUT endpoint: Protocol error usb_clear_halt() on INTERRUPT endpoint:
> > Protocol error ignoring usb_claim_interface = -99LIBMTP PANIC:
> > failed to open session on second attempt Unable to open raw device
> > 0'
> > 
> > Has anyone been able to mount this phone under debian please? And
> > has anyone got any ideas of what I could try next to mount my phone
> > please?
> > 
> Following up on this. 
> 
> With 'usb-debugging' enabled on the phone, its now able to 'copy data
> between computer and the device' [quoted from the pop-up on the
> phone]. 
> 
> If you dial '*#7284#' you can enter either PDA-mode or MODEM-mode, the
> default is PDA-mode. In PDA-mode lsusb sees it as 'Bus 002 Device 048:
> ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd GT-I9100 Phone [Galaxy S
> II], GT-P7500 [Galaxy Tab 10.1]' in MODEM-mode its not seen at all.
> 
> The phone has two SDcards - an internal, non-removable, one and an
> external removable one. 
> 
> When the phone and the computer are connected with a usb cable, you
> get this - 
> nautilus can mount them, but it cant read them. 
> dolphin doesn't see them at all
> thunar doesn't see them at all
> pcmanfm mounts them, and reads them under
> gphoto2://[usb:002,046]/store_00020002
> 
> Success! But I don’t know if creating the udev rule helped or not, and
> neither do I know if its using all the extra files I installed from
> 'testing', but hey, it works!
> 
> I'd still like to get it being seen, mounted, and read by nautilus
> though as its my file-manager of choice. But two out of three isn’t
> bad! :) So if anyone can help getting it read by nautilus, it would be
> great!

Sorry, should've labelled the previous mail as SOLVED. 

Yes Chris, I have and 'airdroid' does work well, but it requires you to
have the webpage for it to be opened and airdroid running on the phone
all at the same time, and the webpage does eventually time out. Whereas
pcmanfm works from the desktop and the phone is passive all the time,
and neither times out. 

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no sound with youtube

[Bernhard Kuemel]

Hi!

I have no sound with youtube.com and chatroulette.com in iceweasel.

I found pages where flash sound works:
http://www.crackle.com/c/comedians-in-cars-getting-coffee
http://www.songsofinsects.com/flashtest/index.html

Otherwise I can play sound fine, e.g. with mplayer or mpg123.

I don't know how that happened. Maybe it's related to removing
pulseaudio [1]. When I reinstalled pulseaudio, sound temporarily
returned  to chatroulette, but not youtube. Sound disappeared before I
removed  pulseaudio again, I'm not sure why. I made an 'aptitude
full-upgrade'  which installed a new iceweasel, xulrunner, kernel (so I
rebooted), modified /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (which I had changed
so my  sound cards don't get ordered randomly), tried with(out)
flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, gnome3. My intel
sound card disappeared temporarily, too, but I didn't care, as I want to
use my SB Live! Value, anyways.

youtube sound works with gnash, but fullscreen youtube videos are very
jerky with gnash and chatroulette doesn't work at all with gnash.

[1]
IIRC, in xfce pulseaudio causes the PCM level to go to 0 when I mute or
completely turn down volume but PCM won't go up again when I unmute or
increase volume, so I'd have to fire up aumix to do that manually.

Thanks, Bernhard


bernhard@b:/data/home/bernhard/dwhelper$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Live   ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live! Value [CT4832]
  SB Live! Value [CT4832] (rev.8, serial:0x80271102)
at 0xbc00, irq 18
 1 [VT82xx ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
  HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xdfefc000 irq 65
 2 [U0x46d0x819]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x819
  USB Device 0x46d:0x819 at usb-:00:10.4-1, high
speed

root@b:/var/log/exim4# cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf #alias
char-major-116 snd
#alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
#alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel
#alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio
options snd-emu10k1 index=0
options snd-hda-intel index=1


# autoloader aliases
install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7
# Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd && { /sbin/modprobe
--quiet snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq ; : ; }
install snd-rawmidi /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-rawmidi && {
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq-midi ; : ; }
install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 && {
/sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-emu10k1-synth ; : ; }
# Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-pcsp index=-2
# Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
options snd-usb-audio index=-2
# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
options bt87x index=-2
options cx88_alsa index=-2
options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2

root@b:/var/log/exim4# lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
lp 12797  0 bnep   17288  2 rfcomm
   28626  0 bluetooth 103791  10 rfcomm,bnep
rfkill 18516  2 bluetooth
binfmt_misc12813  1 nfsd  173890  2 nfs
  265921  1 nfs_acl12463  2 nfs,nfsd
auth_rpcgss32143  2 nfs,nfsd
fscache31978  1 nfs
lockd  57277  2 nfs,nfsd
sunrpc143904  12 lockd,auth_rpcgss,nfs_acl,nfs,nfsd
ppdev  12651  0 loop   17810  0 uvcvideo
  56896  0 videodev   61658  1 uvcvideo
media  13692  2 videodev,uvcvideo
snd_emu10k1_synth  12916  0 snd_hda_codec_realtek   142274  1
snd_usb_audio  71309  0 snd_emux_synth 28069  1
snd_emu10k1_synth
snd_seq_midi_emul  12682  1 snd_emux_synth
snd_seq_virmidi13015  1 snd_emux_synth
snd_usbmidi_lib18801  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_hda_intel  21786  0 snd_emu10k1   109618  5
snd_emu10k1_synth
snd_hda_codec  63477  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_ac97_codec 84236  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_util_mem   12659  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_emux_synth
snd_hwdep  12943  4
snd_hda_codec,snd_emu10k1,snd_emux_synth,snd_usb_audio
nvidia  10228769  60 snd_pcm_oss36181  0
snd_mixer_oss  17668  3 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm53461  8
snd_pcm_oss,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_codec,snd_emu10k1,snd_hda_intel,snd_usb_audio
snd_page_alloc 12867  3 snd_pcm,snd_emu10k1,snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_midi   12744  0 snd_seq_midi_event 13124  2
snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_virmidi
snd_rawmidi22472  4
snd_seq_midi,s

Re: About debain kernel stable repo

[陶治江]

于 2013-10-6 19:33, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org 写道:



Le 06.10.2013 11:11, 陶治江 a écrit :

Hello!

 I am using debian wheezy, and now I want to focus on
 the kernel study, or other stuffs.
 I can install release code from linux-source-3.2.xx package,
 But I want to ask whether we can access or track the debian
 official kernel repos (of stable release), It means I can
 using git or svn to get the lastest stable kernel source and the
 kernel updating tracks,
 without installing the latest source package.

 Any info would appreciated.

 Nicol


This link might help you: https://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=30428
Honestly, I am surprised, it seem they are using svn here, but I 
remember having seen git repo for other packages... Maybe you should 
ask such kind of things on the development mailing list, informations 
would be more precise and or updated.




Thank you for your reply.
The address you've mentioned I have already checked before,
it is not like what I've expected.
The source tree just contains some pathces and configurations,
but I can not find the full source code there.
If all the things I can just do like

git checkout && cd linux-source-xxx && make

That would be very nice.

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Re: [OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 07:46:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>
> [Dunno, tl:dr]

You're right about that.

> How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to
> build into an unreadable mess.

Hard to tell where to trim when you're trying to make sense of certain
kinds of conversations.

I apologize to the list for letting myself be drawn into that.

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Re: [SOLVED] Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:28:32PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> Yes Chris, I have and 'airdroid' does work well, but it requires you to
> have the webpage for it to be opened and airdroid running on the phone
> all at the same time, and the webpage does eventually time out. Whereas
> pcmanfm works from the desktop and the phone is passive all the time,
> and neither times out. 

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Re: no sound with youtube

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Bernhard Kuemel wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I have no sound with youtube.com and chatroulette.com in iceweasel.
> 
> I found pages where flash sound works:
> http://www.crackle.com/c/comedians-in-cars-getting-coffee
> http://www.songsofinsects.com/flashtest/index.html
> 
> Otherwise I can play sound fine, e.g. with mplayer or mpg123.
> 
> I don't know how that happened. Maybe it's related to removing
> pulseaudio [1]. When I reinstalled pulseaudio, sound temporarily
> returned  to chatroulette, but not youtube. Sound disappeared before I
> removed  pulseaudio again, I'm not sure why. I made an 'aptitude
> full-upgrade'  which installed a new iceweasel, xulrunner, kernel (so I
> rebooted), modified /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (which I had changed
> so my  sound cards don't get ordered randomly), tried with(out)
> flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, gnome3. My intel
> sound card disappeared temporarily, too, but I didn't care, as I want to
> use my SB Live! Value, anyways.
> 
> youtube sound works with gnash, but fullscreen youtube videos are very
> jerky with gnash and chatroulette doesn't work at all with gnash.
> 
> [1]
> IIRC, in xfce pulseaudio causes the PCM level to go to 0 when I mute or
> completely turn down volume but PCM won't go up again when I unmute or
> increase volume, so I'd have to fire up aumix to do that manually.
> 
> Thanks, Bernhard
> 
> 
> bernhard@b:/data/home/bernhard/dwhelper$ cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [Live   ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live! Value [CT4832]
>   SB Live! Value [CT4832] (rev.8, serial:0x80271102)
> at 0xbc00, irq 18
>  1 [VT82xx ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
>   HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xdfefc000 irq 65
>  2 [U0x46d0x819]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x819
>   USB Device 0x46d:0x819 at usb-:00:10.4-1, high
> speed
> 
> root@b:/var/log/exim4# cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf #alias
> char-major-116 snd
> #alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
> #alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel
> #alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio
> options snd-emu10k1 index=0
> options snd-hda-intel index=1
> 
> 
> # autoloader aliases
> install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
> install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
> install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
> install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
> install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
> install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
> install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
> install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7
> # Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
> install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd && { /sbin/modprobe
> --quiet snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq ; : ; }
> install snd-rawmidi /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-rawmidi && {
> /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq-midi ; : ; }
> install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 && {
> /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-emu10k1-synth ; : ; }
> # Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> options snd-pcsp index=-2
> # Keep snd-usb-audio from beeing loaded as first soundcard
> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
> # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
> options bt87x index=-2
> options cx88_alsa index=-2
> options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
> options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
> options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
> 
> root@b:/var/log/exim4# lsmod
> Module  Size  Used by
> lp 12797  0 bnep   17288  2 rfcomm
>28626  0 bluetooth 103791  10 rfcomm,bnep
> rfkill 18516  2 bluetooth
> binfmt_misc12813  1 nfsd  173890  2 nfs
>   265921  1 nfs_acl12463  2 nfs,nfsd
> auth_rpcgss32143  2 nfs,nfsd
> fscache31978  1 nfs
> lockd  57277  2 nfs,nfsd
> sunrpc143904  12 lockd,auth_rpcgss,nfs_acl,nfs,nfsd
> ppdev  12651  0 loop   17810  0 uvcvideo
>   56896  0 videodev   61658  1 uvcvideo
> media  13692  2 videodev,uvcvideo
> snd_emu10k1_synth  12916  0 snd_hda_codec_realtek   142274  1
> snd_usb_audio  71309  0 snd_emux_synth 28069  1
> snd_emu10k1_synth
> snd_seq_midi_emul  12682  1 snd_emux_synth
> snd_seq_virmidi13015  1 snd_emux_synth
> snd_usbmidi_lib18801  1 snd_usb_audio
> snd_hda_intel  21786  0 snd_emu10k1   109618  5
> snd_emu10k1_synth
> snd_hda_codec  63477  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek
> snd_ac97_codec 84236  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd_util_mem   12659  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_emux_synth
> snd_hwdep  12943  4
> snd_hda_codec,snd_emu10k1,snd_emux_synth,snd_usb_audio
> nvidia  10228769  60 snd_pcm_oss36181  0
> snd_mixer_oss  17668  3 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm53461  8
> snd_pcm_oss,snd_ac97_cod

Re: [OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)

[Jeff Bauer]

On 10/06/2013 09:06 AM, Joel Rees wrote:

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
.

How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to
build into an unreadable mess.

Hard to tell where to trim when you're trying to make sense of certain
kinds of conversations.

I apologize to the list for letting myself be drawn into that.



To err is human; to forgive is contrary to List Policy.  ;)

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Re: no sound with youtube

[Bernhard Kuemel]

On 10/06/2013 03:18 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Bernhard Kuemel wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>>
>> I have no sound with youtube.com and chatroulette.com in iceweasel.

> This is not a debian bug nor a bug with ice weasel either nor a problem 
> with your hardware.  It's a google problem, some genius decided to adjust 
> defaults on all videos to muted.  So you need to hit the unmute button 
> then you get your sound back.  Problems with this google configuration 
> were posted on several of the blindness-related lists yesterday since 
> without sound those videos for us are completely useless.

Ohh, wow, you are right. I have sound now. WTF, useless days of
frustration, installing, configuring, searching.

Thank you!

Now I have to get sound on chatroulette back. Fortunately it worked for
a moment, so there is hope.

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mediatomb install fails on wheezy

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi,
Trying to install mediatomb on wheezy, I got:

   serious bugs of mediatomb (-> 0.12.1-4) 
   #677959 - mediatomb: fails to build against current version of
   libavformat (Fixed: mediatomb/0.12.1-5)

I have several question about this error:

1/ what means "fixed mediatomb/0.12.1-5" ?

2/ I installed in June without any problem on my laptop, which has the same
   kernel: 3.2.0-4-686-paem, the version is 0.12.1-4

3/ however, the install of mediatomb-common mediatomb-daemon succeeded, and
   the mediatomb executable itself comes from mediatomb-common. So
   the content of the mediatomb package being just:
  mediatomb: /usr/share/applications/mediatomb.desktop
  mediatomb: /usr/share/doc/mediatomb/README.Debian
  mediatomb: /usr/share/doc/mediatomb/changelog.Debian.gz
  mediatomb: /usr/share/doc/mediatomb/changelog.gz
  mediatomb: /usr/share/doc/mediatomb/copyright
  mediatomb: /usr/share/lintian/overrides/mediatomb
  mediatomb: /usr/share/menu/mediatomb
  mediatomb: /usr/share/pixmaps/mediatomb.png
  mediatomb: /usr/share/pixmaps/mediatomb.xpm
   I don't see the origin of the install failure
   I forced the install by commenting out(temporarily), in the config file,
   the line
   DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10";};
   Let's cross fingers!
   NB: after that, I downloaded the source, and built it succesfully !!
   (still version 0.12.1-4) So, I still don't understand why "apt-get install"
   fails.

4/ more generally, I had  recently a lot of such apt-listbugs errors when
   trying to install packages. This seems surprizing for a distro
   released about 6 monts ago.

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Re: [OT] Jerry's in a good mood today (Multiplicity of accounts.)

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/6/2013 6:50 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle 
 wrote:

>> On 10/5/2013 12:43 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> Let me help you.
>>
>> The order is - A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-L-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S-T-U-V-W-X-Y-Z.
>
> The funny thing is, if you weren't trolling, there are lots of people
> who are so confused as to say the kinds of things you have been saying
> in this thread. And it would be worth, perhaps, talking about whether
> you can trust a bank to handle your login data and other private
> information when they've forgotten how to handle their primary
> business. (Looking back, for instance, to the Lehman brothers.)
>
> And do you want to be the low-hanging fruit when Adobe has another
> 0day like they did last February.
>
> And so forth. Fundamental stuff.
>
> But you're just trolling.
>

No, just trying to talk to you on a level you can understand.  You 
obviously have not understood anything I have said previously, nor the 
content of the links you have posted.


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google-chrome-unstable apparently removes its executable

[Patrick Wiseman]

Updating two testing systems this morning, I found that my Chrome
suddenly became unable to find any web pages. Attempting to relaunch,
it wasn't there!

'which google-chrome' returned nothing. I tried 'sudo apt-get install
google-chrome-unstable', but it was already installed. Finally, on
both systems, I did 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable' and
now have a working Chrome again.

I guess that's what I get for being willing to live with unstable!

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Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement

[Jochen Spieker]

Joel Roth:
> 
> As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and
> had some catching up to do.

My experience is that sid is much smoother when upgrades are performed
very often, at least once a week.

In your situation I would have checked whether the video driver that I
actually use would be removed as well and, if not, perform the upgrade.
Metapackages like xserver-xorg-video-all often lead to situations like
yours and serve no other purpose than to make life easier for people who
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Re: network/bridging problems

[Tom H]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Ross Boylan  wrote:




> I setup bridging on my system for kvm, but on restart of the host system
> (no guest VM's running) could not ping outside my local network.
>
> Bringing the bridge down corrected the  problem, but I'm trying to
> understand what is going on, and how I can make networking from the VM's
> work.
>
> /etc/network/interfaces has (on the advice of a wiki page on Debian and
> kvm)
> auto br0
> iface br0 inet dhcp
>pre-up ip tuntap add dev tap0 mode tap user root
>pre-up ip link set tap0 up
>bridge_ports all tap0
>bridge_stp off
>bridge_maxwait 0
>bridge_fd  0
>post-down ip link set tap0 down
>post-down ip tuntap del dev tap0 mode tap
>
> My one connected interface, eth2, was brought up by hotplug with no
> mention in interfaces.

Is NetworkManager running (for eth2 to be brought up in this way)?

If you want eth2 (or other ethX NICs since you're using "all") to be
part of the bridge (and you need at least one for your VM to have net
access), it has to be defined in this way:

auto eth2
iface inet eth2 manual

without having an ip address assigned and a default route defined.




> Originally, with the system up, I added the br0 stanza to interfaces and
> did ifup br0. This temporarily interrupted my network connections,
> which was not good, but they resumed afterwords.
>
> This time I restarted the system and found networking non-functional. I
> could not ping my ISP's nameserver.
> # ip route
> default via 192.168.40.10 dev eth2  proto static
> 192.168.40.0/24 dev br0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.40.103
> 192.168.40.0/24 dev eth2  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.40.102
> #  ifconfig
> Tue Oct  1 23:14:42 PDT 2013
> br0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 60:a4:4c:21:bc:9f
>   inet addr:192.168.40.103  Bcast:192.168.40.255
> Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::62a4:4cff:fe21:bc9f/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:896 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:434 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:100681 (98.3 KiB)  TX bytes:49358 (48.2 KiB)
>
> eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 60:a4:4c:21:bc:9f
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>   Interrupt:17 Memory:f060-f062
>
> eth2  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 60:a4:4c:21:bc:a0
>   inet addr:192.168.40.102  Bcast:192.168.40.255
> Mask:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:990 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:604 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:145073 (141.6 KiB)  TX bytes:76668 (74.8 KiB)
>   Interrupt:18 Memory:f050-f052
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>   RX packets:323 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:323 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:92559 (90.3 KiB)  TX bytes:92559 (90.3 KiB)
>
> tap0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr ce:45:fc:e6:32:46
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:500
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
> which looked OK to me; that is, ip route seems to show external packets
> should go to eth2, which is the external interface, via the .10 address
> of the router. But
> # ping 198.144.192.2
> PING 198.144.192.2 (198.144.192.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
> >From 192.168.40.102 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
>
> One difference between the ifconfig above and what I saw before
> rebooting was that before rebooting eth2 had no IP (which seemed odd).
>
> ifdown br0 also brought eth2 down. I added iface eth2 inet dhcp
> to /etc/network/interface and did ifup eth2; now I can reach the world
> and see
> # ip route
> default via 192.168.40.10 dev eth2  proto static
> 192.168.40.0/24 dev eth2  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.40.102


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Re: network/bridging problems

[Tom H]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Ross Boylan 
wrote:
>
> Arun made a suggestion that
>> Your 'physical' device eth0/eth2 or whatever needs to be added to the
bridge.
> I believe that is done by the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script that is executed
when I
> launch the virtual machine.
> It says, in part
>
> switch=$(ip route ls | \
> awk '/^default / {
>   for(i=0;i  }'
> )
> # i.e, switch=eth2   (RB)
>
> # only add the interface to default-route bridge if we
> # have such interface (with default route) and if that
> # interface is actually a bridge.
> # It is possible to have several default routes too
> for br in $switch; do
> if [ -d /sys/class/net/$br/bridge/. ]; then
> brctl addif $br "$1"
> exit# exit with status of brctl
> fi
> done
>
> # I think $1=tap0 as invoked, though maybe its br0 (RB)
>
> Then again, I don't understand things well enough to know what adding
> something to a bridge means, or how that is accomplished.

"/etc/kvm/kvm-ifup" brings up tap0 ($1) and adds it to br0 ($switch/$br).

Since you're already doing the above via "/etc/network/interfaces", you
should choose either to bring up your VM with "-net
tap,script=no,downscript=no,..." or delete the pre-up and post-down lines
from the br0 stanza in "/etc/network/interfaces":

auto br0
iface br0 inet dhcp
bridge_ports all tap0
bridge_stp off
bridge_maxwait 0
bridge_fd  0

Mouse scrolling speed

[Dolev Farhi]

Hi all
I'm running Debian 6 with GNOME.
My mouse scroll is somewhat slow, It takes about 5-6 scrolls to get to
the bottom of a page.
in the mouse control GUI there is no indication of scrolling speed.
Googling about this brought no solutions except using XFCE.
anyone got a clue how to speed up the mouse scroll?






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Re: network/bridging problems

[Tom H]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>>
>> Arun made a suggestion that
>> > Your 'physical' device eth0/eth2 or whatever needs to be added to the
>> bridge.
>> I believe that is done by the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script that is executed
>> when I launch the virtual machine.
>
> I think that file must have been removed at some point.  I have
> the qemu-kvm package (which owns that file) installed but do not have
> that file on my system.  The qemu-kvm.postinst script in the current
> package removes the conffile. So just a note that the file doesn't
> exist in recent versions.
>
>> One thing I struggled with was that qemu-kvm, via the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup
>> script I mentioned above, does some stuff automatically. Help that is
>> written without that in mind tends to include instructions that either
>> duplicate or, perhaps, are at cross-purposes with it.
>
> And since that file was removed I assume it was problematic for others
> as well.

"/etc/kvm/kvm-ifup" (provided by qemu-kvm in stable and testing) has
been replaced by "/etc/qemu-ifup" (provided by qemu-system-common in
unstable) but it's the same script, and it's mildly buggy because it
uses ip three times but only checks for the existence of ip the first
and the third (with a fallback to ifconfig/brctl) but it might not be
worthy of report given that iproute is "Required", at least since
Debian 7.


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Re: Debian installer and raid0

[Tom H]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Francesco Pietra  wrote:
>
> Did you use a recent version of the installer? What I would like to know -
> before reinstalling everything on my servers - is whether the option to set
> grub on both disks of raid 0 has now been introduced.

No.


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Re: Debian installer and raid0

[Tom H]

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Francesco Pietra  
> wrote:
>>
>> Did you use a recent version of the installer? What I would like to know -
>> before reinstalling everything on my servers - is whether the option to set
>> grub on both disks of raid 0 has now been introduced.
>
> No.

I'm assuming that you mean raid1...


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Re: Recovery mode: impossible to run dpkg ( was Re: boot problem: stuck at "Switching to clocksource tsc" )

[Curt]

On 2013-10-06, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org  
wrote:
>
> Any idea about how to be able to run terminal stuff correctly in 
> recovery mode? Maybe changing the terminal (if so, how could I do 
> that?)?
>

export TERM=linux

says google


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Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?

[Harry Putnam]

Chris Bannister  writes:

> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:39:38AM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Logrotation is not happening for some reason, so stumbling around
>
> What is output of:
> apt-cache policy logrotate

,
| logrotate:
|   Installed: 3.8.6-1
|   Candidate: 3.8.6-1
|   Version table:
|  *** 3.8.6-1 0
| 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages
| 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
`

>> investigating and ran up on /etc/cron.daily/apt
>
> Are we on the same page here? 

Not really sure what you mean there.

I guess it was a little off the wall, just asking what it does with no
explanation of why I wonder, its just that I was trying to figure out
why the cron.daily jobs are not getting run. In particular, my logs
are not getting rotated, yet, I see no difficulties when running
logrotate by hand.

Those things happen from /etc/crontab, and logrotate gets run out of
/etc/cron.daily, along with all the other scripts in there (shown
below)

I'm still homed in on /etc/cron.daily/apt as possible culprit.  Here's
why: The way /etc/crontab executes run-parts,

  test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || 
  ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )

But anacron just runs the same `run-parts' command when it was missed
at the regular /etc/crontab specified time, so testing

`cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily', like this: (from /)

   time  run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily

  real25m20.071s
  user0m5.876s
  sys 0m16.549s

It seems to take an exceptionally long while... and I'm not seeing any
messages from cron about `run-parts'

Once it gets past that nasty apt script... the other scripts finish
quickly.


ls /etc/cron.daily

  0anacron  aptitude  dpkg   man-db   samba
  apache2   bsdmainutils  htdig  mlocate  sendmail
  apt   debsums   logrotate  passwd   spamassassin

They run in alphabetical order so `apt' is the third one to run.

Running that `apt' just by itself takes:

time /etc/cron.daily/apt

  real25m22.866s
  user0m0.608s
  sys 0m0.088s

So, its clear the absolute biggest time sink is `apt'.. And like I
said, I had a hard time following the action, trying to read it.

Is 25.5 minutes normal for that script?

And shouldn't I be seeing some kind of report from cron about
`run-parts'?




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Re: sid dist-upgrade will remove Xorg and hold back replacement

[Joe]

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 23:08:39 -1000
Joel Roth  wrote:

> Joe wrote:
> > Joel Roth  wrote:
> > > As often happens, I'd fallen behind on upgrading lately, and
> > > had some catching up to do.
> 
> > I have three sids, one of which is upgraded almost daily, the
> > others in half-gigabyte chunks and with a certain amount of hope.
> > It *is* sid, after all.
> 
> Having more than one system partition sounds like an excellent
> way to avoid the foot-gun.
> 

I'm not that worried. No data lives in the systems (they are both
portables) and I keep backups of /etc and dpkg --get-selections. I did
need to reinstall the laptop once, it's no great trauma.

-- 
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Re: network/bridging problems

[Ross Boylan]

I removed network manager and have this in /etc/network/interaces:

# eth2 managed by bridge and not otherwise mentioned

auto br0
iface br0 inet dhcp
   bridge_ports eth2

That seems to work with the kvm-ifup script provided by wheezy qemu-kvm.

Note I have not rebooted since setting this up, and so it's possible that
might expose problems.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Ross

P.S. I was wondering if tap0 needed to be setup both in interfaces and
kvm-ifup; evidently it does not.



On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom H  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> >>
> >> Arun made a suggestion that
> >> > Your 'physical' device eth0/eth2 or whatever needs to be added to the
> >> bridge.
> >> I believe that is done by the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup script that is executed
> >> when I launch the virtual machine.
> >
> > I think that file must have been removed at some point.  I have
> > the qemu-kvm package (which owns that file) installed but do not have
> > that file on my system.  The qemu-kvm.postinst script in the current
> > package removes the conffile. So just a note that the file doesn't
> > exist in recent versions.
> >
> >> One thing I struggled with was that qemu-kvm, via the /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup
> >> script I mentioned above, does some stuff automatically. Help that is
> >> written without that in mind tends to include instructions that either
> >> duplicate or, perhaps, are at cross-purposes with it.
> >
> > And since that file was removed I assume it was problematic for others
> > as well.
>
> "/etc/kvm/kvm-ifup" (provided by qemu-kvm in stable and testing) has
> been replaced by "/etc/qemu-ifup" (provided by qemu-system-common in
> unstable) but it's the same script, and it's mildly buggy because it
> uses ip three times but only checks for the existence of ip the first
> and the third (with a fallback to ifconfig/brctl) but it might not be
> worthy of report given that iproute is "Required", at least since
> Debian 7.
>
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Re: Debian installer and raid0

[Tom H]

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Francesco Pietra  wrote:
>>
>> recall that it has been added with Wheezy.  But let me put forward
>> that it doesn't really matter. If you have RAID then you know you
>> want grub on both disks.  After installing simply run the grub install
>> script against both disks manually and then you will be assured that
>> it has been installed on both disks.
>
> I had problems with that methodology and was unable to detect my error. From
> a thread on debian dated Mar 2, 2013:
>>
>> I carried out a reinstall of amd64 wheezy
>> on the machine with new HD. md0 (boot, ext20, md1 (LVM, home, usr,
>> etc). GRUB came installed on /dev/sda only
>>
>> Then the command
>>
>> grub-install /dev/sdb
>>  was reported by complete installation. No error, no warning.
>>
>> On rebooting, GRUB was no more found. Then entering in
>>
>> grub rescue >
>>
>> prefix/root/ were now wrong.
>
> Now I am in the same situation, two servers with mirroring raid, grub on
> /dev/sda only. Identical data on both servers to cope with grub on one disk
> only. Not smart from my side.

Does grub-probe output the correct grub device when you probe
"/dev/mdX_of_boot", "/dev/md/X_of_boot", and "/boot" for the "drive"
target?

Does grub-probe output the correct fs uuid when you probe
"/dev/mdX_of_boot", "/dev/md/X_of_boot", "/boot", and "/" for the
"fs_uuid" target?

I'm assuming that "/boot" is on mdraid. If it isn't, you'll need to
replace "mdX" by "sdX".

If "/" and "/boot" are on the same partition, you only need to check
the fs_uuid of one of them (of course...).

(In what way does the output of "ls" and "set" in "grub rescue" differ
from what it's supposed to be?)


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You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

[Jape Person]

Heh.

Just being a little tongue-in-cheek here.

I needed to do a fresh installation of Debian on two systems for friends this
weekend. I tried both stable (7.1) and the 10/02/2013 daily of testing -- both
of them the netinst image.

For both stable and testing I tried both LXDE and Xfce desktop environment
installations. But when the systems rebooted, I was at the Gnome desktop.
(Partying, barbecue, and our wives and children were involved -- so I wasn't
watching the process as closely as I might have, otherwise.)

While doing routine upgrades on my own systems I had run into a situation
somewhat related and reported by someone else at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718855.

Okay. So I installed Debian testing without a DE, and then tried to add
xfce-desktop via aptitude. I saw that I was still going to get Gnome and
canceled the operation.

So, I just added xfce and lightdm packages and then added other stuff a piece at
a time until I got both systems configured.

This wasn't a huge deal for me, but I'm pretty sure that no newcomers to the
Debian distribution are installing Xfce or LXDE from a daily image of testing or
from the stable image. (I didn't try KDE. Maybe it works because, surely, it
doesn't use network-manager-gnome.)

>From my perspective, it looks to me as though the problem is
network-manager-gnome's desire to install gnome-control-center. Xfce and LXDE
both want network-manager-gnome, so they also get gnome-control-center,
gnome-session, and just about everything else gnome-like.

For such an annoying bug, it seems like this has been around for quite some
time. It might not be serious to Xfce per se, but I'd think the Debian community
would be concerned about it. People trying new installations aren't being given
the choices advertised in the d-i.

Or am I missing something?

Anyway, friends and I had lots of time to drink because of the extra time
required for installations -- so not such a bad thing for us.

But for those reading this list, maybe this report may not be as lucid as one
could hope for!

;-)

Jape


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Re: network/bridging problems

[Tom H]

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Ross Boylan
 wrote:


> I removed network manager and have this in /etc/network/interaces:
>
> # eth2 managed by bridge and not otherwise mentioned
>
> auto br0
> iface br0 inet dhcp
>bridge_ports eth2
>
> That seems to work with the kvm-ifup script provided by wheezy qemu-kvm.

I was surprised by this because whether you set up a bridge manually
or, on RHEL, via ifcfg files (or on Gentoo via net and net.* files),
you have to define and bring up the bridge components.

A "man -k bridge" reveals "bridge-utils-interfaces" and "man
bridge-utils-interfaces" explains:

<==
...
 bridge_ports interface specification
  ...
  You  should  not  put any lines to configure the interfaces that
  will be used by the bridge, as this will be setup  automatically
  by the scripts when bringing the bridge up.
...
==>

So I've been mimicking the RHEL way on Debian and Ubuntu and setting
up bridges in "/etc/network/interfaces" incorrectly. :(


> Note I have not rebooted since setting this up, and so it's possible that
> might expose problems.

LOL. Good luck but it should be OK. (Famous last words!)


> P.S. I was wondering if tap0 needed to be setup both in interfaces and
> kvm-ifup; evidently it does not.

:)


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Re: Mouse scrolling speed

[Rob Owens]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 09:15:18AM -0700, Dolev Farhi wrote:
> Hi all
> I'm running Debian 6 with GNOME.
> My mouse scroll is somewhat slow, It takes about 5-6 scrolls to get to
> the bottom of a page.
> in the mouse control GUI there is no indication of scrolling speed.
> Googling about this brought no solutions except using XFCE.
> anyone got a clue how to speed up the mouse scroll?
> 
I know that xset can be used to change the mouse pointer speed.  Maybe
it's able to change the scroll speed as well, but the man page doesn't
seem to mention it.  But if you've got no other leads, you might want to 
look into xset in case I missed something in the man page.

-Rob


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Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

[Bob Proulx]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > the /etc/default/keyboard file.  (Can anyone explain to me what "lv3"
> > means in this?  The rest is obvious.)
> > 
> >   XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:rctrl,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
> 
> This hasn't been answered as far as I can tell:

It had not yet.

> AFAICT 'lv3:ralt_switch' means that 'Right Alt' will be used as the 
> modifier key for the Level 3. AFAIK key maps can have 4 levels:
> 
> Level 1: no modifier
> Level 2: key + Level 2 modifier (usually Shift)
> Level 3: key + Level 3 modifier (usually AltGr)
> Level 4: key + Level 4 modifier (usually Shift+AltGr)

Cool!  And interesting.  Thanks for the information.  That answers
that question.

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: Security Audit of Debian 7 after install

[Bob Proulx]

C.T.F. Jansen wrote:
> What security holes have been found in Debian 7 after installing it ?

Debian publishes all of their security advisories to the
debian-security-announce mailing list.  Also all security related
information is available on the Debian security page.

  http://www.debian.org/security/

> In the releases 5 and 6 tiger was run after the install and the
> significant events noticed were a world writable directory that
> shouldn't have been world writable.

Bug numbers please?  Other references?  Give us something that we can
look at and verify.

Also I am suspicious of many simple security scripts since they often
create false positives.  

Bob



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Re: Debian installer and raid0

[Bob Proulx]

Francesco Pietra wrote:
> Thanks so much. I am also using raid1 since I met Debian, so many years
> ago. However the poor way I described. I'll do what you suggest as soon
> time permits, although the cables to the HDs in the old server are
> difficultly accessible. And, in the meantime, I would be at a single
> server, insecure as with a bad raid1.

I wasn't suggesting that you hack around on your production server.  I
was suggesting that you create a victim machine for testing on a
workbench that is seperate from your production server.  And this
victim machine does not need to be a rack mount server at all.  An old
deskside machine is perfect.  Something that has two disk drives in it
for testing the RAID1 installation.

Do the test on this testing victim machine separate from your
production machine.  When you have verified how everything works then
do those actions on your production machine.  That way your production
machine is safe from experiments.  And it is much easier to test and
learn and experiment upon a machine that is targeted specifically for
that purpose.

> Failure that I described in adding grub to the other HD was in a single
> trial and now the HDs are different, taken from a dismissed four-sockets
> dual-core AMD server.

The type of disk drive should not matter.

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Re: Fwd: Debian installer and raid0

[Bob Proulx]

Klaus wrote:
> Francesco Pietra wrote:
> >I forgot asking naively how to boot safely to the grub menu.
> 
> When the system starts booting, the grub menu entries appear on
> screen. After a timeout (default 5 sec) the default entry is
> selected and the boot sequence continues. For details, here is the
> grub manual: .

Yes.  And as soon as the menu appears the count down timer will
appear.  5..4..3..2..1..booting.  Press any key on the keyboard and
the timer will stop counting and the system will wait at the menu.
Normally you woudl use up and down arrows to select an option.  But
here the point is that if it makes it to the grub menu then grub's
boot sector has been installed on that disk drive.  If grub has not
been installed then it will not get to that point and will fail
earlier.

By stopping at the grub menu when testing with one disk drive it
prevents booting to the system which would automatically update the
timestamps on the one solo raid1 disk that booted.  That splits the
raid1 into two.  If you reverse the disks and boot the second disk
then the timestamps on it would be newer.  This is a "split brain"
problem.  On a testing machine this isn't important because you can
just scrape it clean and set up the test again but it should be
avoided on a production machine.  And even on a test machine it can
slow down the debugging if you decide you need to sync the raid.  On a
debug system that is just useless cpu cycles wasted.  That is why I
suggested avoiding it.

Bob


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Re: You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

[davidson]

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Jape Person wrote:


For both stable and testing I tried both LXDE and Xfce desktop
environment installations. But when the systems rebooted, I was at
the Gnome desktop.


you do not mention the display manager.

at login, did the display manager's login dialog box not offer you a
choice of DE?

is it possible that it did offer you a choice (via, say, a drop-down
menu or something), with gnome pre-selected as the default?


While doing routine upgrades on my own systems I had run into a
situation somewhat related and reported by someone else at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718855.


it kinda sounds like you ran into the *identical* situation.  but
without knowing what options the display manager offered you, i guess
i shouldn't be too certain.

hth,
wes

ps: i did a recent install for a friend, as well, and i believe we ran
into bug #718855, too.  it does break the principle of least surprise,
but it did not prevent us from selecting an xfce session from the
display manager.  (at least, i don't *think* i had to do anything more
fu-intensive than select xfce from a drop-down in the DM greeter.
memory is a little fuzzy.)


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Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?

[Bob Proulx]

o avoid crawling through
network mounted file systems.

Taking a long time will not affect logrotate.  Whether it happens
immediately or happens after a half hour the logrotate will still
happen.

$Begin sales pitch for dateext$

This is an opportunity for me to mention the "dateext" option.  This
is a wonderful SuSE addition to logrotate and all of the distros now
have it available.  Instead of rotating logs to .1, .2, .3, and so
forth where every day every file changes (more noise, more backup
traffic) the "dateext" option turns on date encoding.  Then backups
are made once by date and the file never changes again until it is
removed when it expires.  To enable this add this option to the
/etc/logrotate.conf file.  I usually add this comment too to document
it like the other options in the file.

  # Archive old versions of log files adding a daily extension like
  # MMDD instead of simply adding a number.
  dateext

And with that configuration I end up with this type of file naming
from the rotation.  And so backup is less noisy since every file does
not need to be backed up every day.  The $DATE.gz files are static
once created.

  -rw-r-  1 root adm   686247 Oct  6 15:31 syslog
  -rw-r-  1 root adm  1525309 Oct  6 06:53 syslog-20131006
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   250863 Sep 30 06:53 syslog-20130930.gz
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   228334 Oct  1 07:03 syslog-20131001.gz
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   267986 Oct  2 06:54 syslog-20131002.gz
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   232099 Oct  3 06:46 syslog-20131003.gz
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   195849 Oct  4 06:54 syslog-20131004.gz
  -rw-r-  1 root adm   182438 Oct  5 06:48 syslog-20131005.gz

$End sales pitch for dateext$

> ls /etc/cron.daily
> 
>   0anacron  aptitude  dpkg   man-db   samba
>   apache2   bsdmainutils  htdig  mlocate  sendmail
>   apt   debsums   logrotate  passwd   spamassassin

You have mlocate installed.  That would have been my guess at what
takes a long time.  It will index the disk.

> and I'm not seeing any messages from cron about `run-parts'

If cron.daily produced output that would produce bug reports from
annoyed admins that it was producing output.  If there aren't any
errors then there should not be any output.

> And shouldn't I be seeing some kind of report from cron about
> `run-parts'?

No.  It should be silent unless there is an error or other abnormal
output to report.

Can you imagine the outrage if a pristine installed system mailed out
every day?  Most people would not even read the mail and it would
eventually fill up the disk.

> Once it gets past that nasty apt script... the other scripts finish
> quickly.

> Running that `apt' just by itself takes:
> 
> time /etc/cron.daily/apt
> 
>   real25m22.866s
>   user0m0.608s
>   sys 0m0.088s
> 
> So, its clear the absolute biggest time sink is `apt'.. And like I
> said, I had a hard time following the action, trying to read it.

Wow.  The apt script takes a while to run?

> Is 25.5 minutes normal for that script?

No.  On my system it runs very quickly.

  # time /etc/cron.daily/apt
  real0m0.456s
  user0m0.356s
  sys 0m0.004s

Perhaps you have configured one of the controls for that script to do
something such as to 'apt-get update' pulling fresh index files.  Or
'apt-get upgrade -d -y' such that it will automatically download
packages that are candidates for installation.  Or some other.  Any of
those actions may take a while as the system must interact with the
network and download much data.  If I were looking I would run the
following and browse the output and look to see what it is doing.

  time sh -xe /etc/cron.daily/apt 2>&1 | tee /tmp/cron.daily.apt.trace

Also if you have "unattended-upgrades" installed then the presence of
those files may be producing actions that take a while.  You might try
removing that package if you have it and seeing if that is what is
slowing things down for you.

Hope these hints lead you to the root cause and understanding of your
problem.

Bob


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Re: You can have any color you want - as long as it's Gnome?

[Jape Person]

On 10/06/2013 05:33 PM, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Jape Person wrote:


For both stable and testing I tried both LXDE and Xfce desktop
environment installations. But when the systems rebooted, I was at
the Gnome desktop.


you do not mention the display manager.

at login, did the display manager's login dialog box not offer you a
choice of DE?

is it possible that it did offer you a choice (via, say, a drop-down
menu or something), with gnome pre-selected as the default?


No, I suppose I should have mentioned that. The default choice (from lightdm) 
was "default xsession". The only other choice in the dropdown on the login was 
gnome. I didn't see Xfce listed at all.


I think that was on the stable installations. I didn't even check when I saw 
gnome pop up after logging on on the subsequent attempts to install LXDE or Xfce 
stable or testing installations. I just started over, because I didn't want to 
leave these folks with systems that had so much extraneous stuff on them. I 
mean, it was hundreds of megabytes, not just a few packages. It was the whole 
gnome DE.





While doing routine upgrades on my own systems I had run into a
situation somewhat related and reported by someone else at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718855.


it kinda sounds like you ran into the *identical* situation.  but
without knowing what options the display manager offered you, i guess
i shouldn't be too certain.

hth,
wes

ps: i did a recent install for a friend, as well, and i believe we ran
into bug #718855, too.  it does break the principle of least surprise,
but it did not prevent us from selecting an xfce session from the
display manager.  (at least, i don't *think* i had to do anything more
fu-intensive than select xfce from a drop-down in the DM greeter.
memory is a little fuzzy.)


That's very interesting. On the early installations done this weekend I added 
some software from within aptitude in TTY1 before trying to log on. I wonder if 
that variable had anything to do with the difference. I did not test the 
dropdown on all cases, just the first. I assumed that the subsequent ones would 
be the same. Gnome was there, and I didn't want it to be there.


Still, even if one were to be given the choice of logging on to an Xfce session, 
how many people would be happy with this outcome of the installation process? I 
mean, I guess most people go with LXDE or Xfce because they don't want something 
as big as gnome or kde sitting on their systems.


Of course, I don't try to extrapolate from the behavior of my own testing 
installations wrt bugs because I fiddle mightily with them. I installed them 
early in the Squeeze testing cycle, and set sources.list to use testing instead 
of the current testing name ever since. So, they just roll right over to the new 
testing when it comes along. I'm used to seeing occasional breakage on them, 
like when framebuffer came along and nv went away. Those systems get updated at 
least once a day, and I add and subtract reams of packages frequently for 
testing purposes. But I've never seen them go through something quite as ugly as 
this. It wasn't hard to fix, but I'm sure it would really mess up a new user.


Attempting to get a clean Xfce and / or LXDE installation from both stable and 
testing and getting hundreds of megabytes of gnome is just weird. I can see how 
it happens, but I wouldn't think that the Xfce or LXDE maintainers would be very 
happy about it. Yet I don't see any comments from them on the bug report.


If I get time this week I may just do some testing of the installation process 
to confirm what I remember. (Remember, lots of wine, lots of food, lots of 
screaming kids...) Anyway, looks like Debian is aware of it.


Thank you for your observation. It's given me something to mull over.

Jape


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Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?

[Jonathan]

On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 13:19:35 -0400
Harry Putnam  wrote:

> Is 25.5 minutes normal for that script?

The script has a sleep for up to 30 minutes, so everybody's script does not hit 
the mirrors at the same time.


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Re: mediatomb install fails on wheezy

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 05:09:21PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi,
> Trying to install mediatomb on wheezy, I got:
> 
>serious bugs of mediatomb (-> 0.12.1-4) 
>#677959 - mediatomb: fails to build against current version of
>libavformat (Fixed: mediatomb/0.12.1-5)
> 
> I have several question about this error:

What does the bug report say about #677959?
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677959

> 1/ what means "fixed mediatomb/0.12.1-5" ?

The bug no longer exists in version 0.12.1-5

[bug triaging snipped]

>NB: after that, I downloaded the source, and built it succesfully !!
>(still version 0.12.1-4) 

So *you* couldn't reproduce it, doesn't mean bug doesn't exist for
someone. (e.g. did you use same libavformat source as bug submitter?)

> So, I still don't understand why "apt-get install"  fails.

FTBFS, etc are source package errors have nothing to do with "apt-get
install" failing.  Humans still need to read the output of
apt-listbugs and decide for themselves whether that bug will affect
them.

> 4/ more generally, I had  recently a lot of such apt-listbugs errors when
>trying to install packages. This seems surprizing for a distro
>released about 6 monts ago.

*Anyone* can submit a bug at *anytime*. 

Note: I have no knowledge of this bug, and have not read the bug report.

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Re: Mouse scrolling speed

[Kailash]

On Monday 07 October 2013 01:27 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 09:15:18AM -0700, Dolev Farhi wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I'm running Debian 6 with GNOME.
>> My mouse scroll is somewhat slow, It takes about 5-6 scrolls to get to
>> the bottom of a page.
>> in the mouse control GUI there is no indication of scrolling speed.
>> Googling about this brought no solutions except using XFCE.
>> anyone got a clue how to speed up the mouse scroll?
>>
> I know that xset can be used to change the mouse pointer speed.  Maybe
> it's able to change the scroll speed as well, but the man page doesn't
> seem to mention it.  But if you've got no other leads, you might want to 
> look into xset in case I missed something in the man page.
> 
> -Rob
> 
Hi,

Have you seen this?
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/71512/setting-the-minimum-pointer-speed-with-no-usable-gnome-gui

Sincerely,
K.


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Re: Mouse scrolling speed

[Kailash]

On Monday 07 October 2013 01:27 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 09:15:18AM -0700, Dolev Farhi wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I'm running Debian 6 with GNOME.
>> My mouse scroll is somewhat slow, It takes about 5-6 scrolls to get to
>> the bottom of a page.
>> in the mouse control GUI there is no indication of scrolling speed.
>> Googling about this brought no solutions except using XFCE.
>> anyone got a clue how to speed up the mouse scroll?
>>
> I know that xset can be used to change the mouse pointer speed.  Maybe
> it's able to change the scroll speed as well, but the man page doesn't
> seem to mention it.  But if you've got no other leads, you might want to 
> look into xset in case I missed something in the man page.
> 
> -Rob
> 
And for reference, here are my pointer settings
Pointer Control:
  acceleration:  2/1threshold:  4

K.


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RE: Mouse scrolling speed

[Dolev Farhi]

Thanks a lot, I will have a look at it today and update.---Dolev


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Mouse scrolling speed
From: Kailash 
Date: Mon, October 07, 2013 6:44 am
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Monday 07 October 2013 01:27 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 09:15:18AM -0700, Dolev Farhi wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I'm running Debian 6 with GNOME.
>> My mouse scroll is somewhat slow, It takes about 5-6 scrolls to get to
>> the bottom of a page.
>> in the mouse control GUI there is no indication of scrolling speed.
>> Googling about this brought no solutions except using XFCE.
>> anyone got a clue how to speed up the mouse scroll?
>>
> I know that xset can be used to change the mouse pointer speed.  Maybe
> it's able to change the scroll speed as well, but the man page doesn't
> seem to mention it.  But if you've got no other leads, you might want to 
> look into xset in case I missed something in the man page.
> 
> -Rob
> 
And for reference, here are my pointer settings
Pointer Control:
  acceleration:  2/1threshold:  4

K.


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