Re: Trojan Detected by Kaspersky in One Debian DVD

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 08:17:52PM -0400, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I downloaded to my Windows 7 machine 10 DVD
> iso files for debian-6.0.6-amd64. I have not yet installed Debian to
> this machine.
> 
> Last night Kaspersky anti-virus detected a Trojan in one of the files:
> 
> debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-7.iso\pool\main\n\nepenthes\nepenthes_0.2.2-6_amd64.deb\data.tar\.\usr\share\doc\nepenthes\README.VFS
> 
> The Trojan is called Trojan-Downloader.BAT.ftp.z
> 
> Is this a real Trojan? If so, why would it be there? If not, what is it?

This is a false positive: There is no trojan in the file README.VFS, but what's
interesting is that the package concerned (nepenthes, as John helpfully provided
a packaging link to) is a security tool related to trojans:

"versatile tool to collect malware by emulating widespread vulnerabilities"


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troubleshooting a broken mess (was ... Re: compiling a Debian package)

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 03:04:49PM +0100, lee wrote:
> Yeah and that's why you are forced to turn your system into a mess with
> brokenarch and are supposed to try packages from unstable which create
> only more dependency problems and mess things up even further.
> 
> Think it through and you'll see that there won't be a next stable
> release unless they fix the mess they made --- and they're not going to
> do that.  Stable is obsolete and deprecated.

OK. Lets work through your problems, or can't you be bothered. I also
think this thread (although under a better name, for search purposes) would be
good for the archives.

So, have you got dependency problems at the moment?
What is output of "apt-get -f install" ?



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Re: Where is CC and why do my downloads not find it?

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:29:41PM -0700, Samuel Morgan wrote:
> Hi-
> 
> I recently installed DEBIAN Linux on my 386 PC and then
> tried to install an Apache web server, as I have on Mac and
> Windows, binary and it asked for a C compiler.  Where do I get,
> if I really need, a CC binary pre-built?  Seems a bit like
> the chicken and the egg.

Why not apt-get install apache2?



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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Jochen Spieker]

[Disclaimer: I only run a mail server for mainly personal use. I have
less than ten users on that system but the configuration is comparable
to that of the ISPMail howto].

Muhammad Yousuf Khan:
> 
> i am working in a small company 30 to 50 users, so which one is more
> suitable for me a mailbox storage in a folder or database by keeping
> in mind stability?

I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their
e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or
Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of
plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for
that matter).

Do not confuse e-mail storage with user authentication and management.

> but for learning purpose i also like to know. how big companies (may
> be with 1000 to 3000 users) deal with such huge mailboxes.

Performance-wise, your best bet with Dovecot is probably its own "dbox"
format. You may want to ask for experience with this on the Dovecot
mailing list.

For 50 users, I recommend to use Maildirs and make sure Dovecot's LDS is
used for delivery into mailboxes. That way the index files are always
up-to-date.

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Nvidia Driver Problem.

[Zhigang Song]

I reinstalled my nVidia graphic card driver and got "Error: couldn't 
find RGB GLX visual" when I run command "glxinfo".


How can I fix it?


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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Jochen Spieker]

Jochen Spieker:
> 
> For 50 users, I recommend to use Maildirs and make sure Dovecot's LDS is
^^^

Whoops. What I meant to write was "LDA". Not LSD and most definitely not
LDS. :)

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Re: Trojan Detected by Kaspersky in One Debian DVD

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 08:17:52PM -0400, Alan Feuerbacher wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago I downloaded to my Windows 7 machine 10 DVD
> iso files for debian-6.0.6-amd64. I have not yet installed Debian to
> this machine.
> 
> Last night Kaspersky anti-virus detected a Trojan in one of the files:
> 
> debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-7.iso\pool\main\n\nepenthes\nepenthes_0.2.2-6_amd64.deb\data.tar\.\usr\share\doc\nepenthes\README.VFS
> 
> The Trojan is called Trojan-Downloader.BAT.ftp.z
> 
> Is this a real Trojan? If so, why would it be there? If not, what is it?

Looking at the file in question, I can see why it's being flagged up.
README.VFS is headed "VFS testcases", followed by a Batchfile that, if
executed, looks like it would download a series of EXEs and DLLs from
ftp sites around the internet. The batchfile looks exceedingly dodgy to
my untrained eyes BUT there are a few things to remember: 1) As pointed
out by someone else, this package is explicitly about collecting
malware; if you're interested in that you're probably more au fait with
what the script might do. 2) The file itself is a README file (i.e.
plain text) in the documentation directory of a package that most people
wouldn't install.

In other words, the file is only a risk to you if you install the
nepenthes package AND then copy the README.VFS file to a Windows
system AND rename it to *.BAT AND execute that file. If in doubt, don't
do that :)



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Re: Advice on system purchase

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Montag, 29. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> > For powerful laptops and power saving desktops I think Intel 
> > Sandybridge/Ivybridge is best bet currently - except for the
> > political  dimension.
> 
> Sure, but 90% of users don't need "powerful".  All the cores sit idle
> most of the time, and a faster CPU doesn't make Thunderbird or Firefox,
> IE or Outlook express, go any faster.  Nor any of the standard desktop
> apps.  90% of users would benefit more from a low wattage dual or even
> single core CPU, with an SSD instead of a rust drive.
> 
> But it's hard to sell people on the truth after you've been lying to
> them about the benefits of 4-8 core CPUs for many years...

Yeah, as you pointed out its about peak performance.

But if you look at my powertop snapshots you will see that the Linux 
Kernel mostly switched between 800 MHz and turbo mode, i.e. give me all 
MHz you can squeeze out of the CPU given the current load on other cores 
and GPU. Especially if regularily it does it mostly on one core. If that 
core can go faster it may have a noticable effect.

So a higher peak performance may have a beneficial effect on latency in 
short high load situations like starting an application or other high 
loads.

Whether thats noticable? Well, one would have to test it.

I think to see any difference during application load times tough you need 
to have a good SSD alongside. But I do believe that the kernel pings 
between 800 MHz and turbo mode not for nothing.

That said: By all means, I bet there are numerous AMD CPUs out there that 
are just fast enough already. So I think we basically agree with 
difference in detail scope.

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Re: btrfs on LUKS

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 10/31/2012 7:56 PM, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:01:40 -0500
> Stan Hoeppner  wrote:

>> Why didn't you purchase a self encrypting SSD?  Eliminates all of these
>> issues.  Lots of them available today.

> Price? Doing a quick check on Newegg, the cheapest SSDs currently start
> at about $50-$60 (although one can occasionally find one on sale /
> special / after rebate for $20-$30), and searching within those
> results for 'encryption' indicates that the cheapest with that
> capability is about $95.

Your methods are not sufficient.  Newegg doesn't provide the necessary
information in it's product database.

SandForce 1000/2000 series controllers do automatic transparent AES-128
or AES-256 encryption depending on controller model, and do so while
achieving much higher performance than all other SSD controllers on the
market.  They also support a boot time disk password.

http://www.lsi.com/technology/duraclass/Pages/Automatic-Encryption.aspx

This $45 40GB Mushkin drive has an SF-1200 controller:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226168

This $90 120GB OCZ Agility3 has an SF-2281 controller:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227914

Thus cost isn't really a factor.  The $45 is current regular price on
Mushkin, not after rebate, etc.  Frankly I'd be surprised that anyone
would be anything but a SandForce based SSD today, given the
price/performance/capacity ratio.  The OP's SSD may in fact be a
SandForce model, and he may simply not be aware of it, or the features I
mentioned above.

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Re: compiling a Debian package

[lee]

John Hasler  writes:

> lee writes:
>> It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated,
>> without alternative.  It is probably not illegal to use firmware to
>> get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is
>> deprecated, without alternative.
>
>> The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends.
>
> You clearly do not want to use Debian.

Yes, they messed it up beyond repair, and I'm done with it.

> Free Software is what Debian is about.

Don't worry, I like free software a lot.  I don't like dead ends,
though.


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Re: compiling a Debian package

[lee]

Lisi Reisz  writes:

> On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:25:52 Darac Marjal wrote:
>> Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to
>> Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can
>
> He likes moaning. ;-)  We are suggesting ways of solving his problem, but it 
> is more fun to slag off the poor developers who do a great job without pay.

The only thing you have suggested is to stop using Debian, and I don't
call that a solution.  It's really funny because a suggestion like that
fits this mailing list perfectly :))


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Re: compiling a Debian package

[lee]

John Hasler  writes:

> Lisi writes:
>> And it does rather sound as though he might be better off with
>> Windows.  But at whom would he moan in that case?
>
> Microsoft, of course, with the advantage that there would be no danger
> that they would fix the problems that he moaned about.

Hilarious :)) Now it's even considered dangerous that problems might be
fixed.  Keep  going that way :))


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Re: how to prevent dvd drives from being polled

[lee]

Frank McCormick  writes:

> On 31/10/12 01:15 PM, Dom wrote:
>> On 31/10/12 16:13, Dom wrote:
>>> On 31/10/12 15:48, Frank McCormick wrote:
 On 31/10/12 10:42 AM, lee wrote:
> Darac Marjal  writes:

 SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_VENDOR}=="APPLE*", ENV{ID_MODEL}=="SD Card
 Reader*", ENV{UDISKS_DISABLE_POLLING}="1"

Adding 'ENV{UDISKS_DISABLE_POLLING}="1"' in
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules seems to disable it.  You have
to reboot for it to work, though, and that shouldn't be needed.

Thank you very much for your answers!


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Re: compiling a Debian package

[lee]

Darac Marjal  writes:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 03:39:04PM +0100, lee wrote:

> I'm not familiar with cinelerra but, according to the BTS([1] and [2]),
> there have been two^Wseveral attempts to package cinelerra that have
> fallen by the wayside. That latter bug seems to suggest that cinelerra
> depends on non-free software (so it could, perhaps, go in contrib).
>
> As ever, if you care about this software, consider helping to fix the
> remaining issues.

If Debian wanted help, they won't make it so difficult for everyone to
help them.  It's not my problem that they make things so
difficult for themselves.

Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will
not be available in the next release, so Debian is deprecated now, and
I'm done with it.  Who knows what they screw up next.

> So you have two options, use the NVIDIA driver (with the knowledge that
> it "may access, collect non-personally identifiable information about,
> update, and configure Customer's system in order to properly optimize
> such system for use with the SOFTWARE") or use the open driver.

The open source driver is not an alternative because it doesn't really
work and is ridiculously slow.  The NVIDIA driver is excellent and has
been for the last 15 years or so, and it's frowned upon by developers
and deprecated.  The NVIDIA driver in stable is ancient and you have to
use at least testing, better unstable to get an up to date driver.  I've
been using the NVIDIA one rather than the NVIDIA version that's in
Debian, and the NVIDIA one gave me a lot less problems.  So after about
15 years, there still isn't an alternative.

Sure I would prefer an open source driver.  That doesn't help because
there is none.  Last time I tried the nouveau one it was even too slow
for a plain X-session, so I won't even say they could make it so that we
could switch drivers on the fly because there is no point in doing that.

>> The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends.
>> Apparently even developers now don't want to stay 20 years behind
>> technology anymore, so they have regressed to deprecate everything
>> that's not free software to force the issue.  That's probably leading to
>> a dead end as well, and I don't want to get stuck there.
>
> What would you have them do otherwise?

They could change their attitude back to "we want things to work".
Debian wouldn't need to have a messed up version and/or ancient version
of the NVIDIA drivers if they just looked at what NVIDIA provides and
made sure that it integrates without causing the problems they claim it
causes.  Developers could acknowledge that there is software they cannot
get their hands on and that this software, as unfortunate as it may be,
is essential, and they could try to make the best out of this situation.

> Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free
> software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free
> software is the responsibility of that software's provider.

You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software.  NVIDIA
continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years or so.
Dmo doesn't seem to have a problem with non-free software that you say
cinelerra depends upon.  Things become difficult when developers of free
software refuse to accept that there is such a thing as non-free
software which may be important for users.  I can understand that they
get tired of being confronted with non-free software, yet that doesn't
help.  When their attitude leads them into a dead end, that's their
choice, and it's unfortunate because it takes alternatives away users
had.


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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker  wrote:

> [Disclaimer: I only run a mail server for mainly personal use. I have
> less than ten users on that system but the configuration is comparable
> to that of the ISPMail howto].
>
> Muhammad Yousuf Khan:
> >
> > i am working in a small company 30 to 50 users, so which one is more
> > suitable for me a mailbox storage in a folder or database by keeping
> > in mind stability?
>
> I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their
> e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or
> Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of
> plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for
> that matter).
>

Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database,
namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the
same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS
looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to.

AFAIK, Exchange is the only major mail server to do this.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Kelly Clowers wrote:

>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:
>
>> [Disclaimer: I only run a mail server for mainly personal use. I have
>> less than ten users on that system but the configuration is comparable
>> to that of the ISPMail howto].
>>
>> Muhammad Yousuf Khan:
>> >
>> > i am working in a small company 30 to 50 users, so which one is more
>> > suitable for me a mailbox storage in a folder or database by keeping
>> > in mind stability?
>>
>> I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their
>> e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or
>> Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of
>> plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for
>> that matter).
>>
>
> Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database,
> namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the
> same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS
> looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to.
>
> AFAIK, Exchange is the only major mail server to do this.
>

And, hey! The new Gmail composer automatically uses reply-to-list!

Party! Party!

(Still defaults to top-posting, though.)

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

Re: compiling a Debian package

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 01 November 2012 17:16:24 lee wrote:
> Lisi Reisz  writes:
> > On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:25:52 Darac Marjal wrote:
> >> Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to
> >> Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can
> >
> > He likes moaning. ;-)  We are suggesting ways of solving his problem, but
> > it is more fun to slag off the poor developers who do a great job without
> > pay.
>
> The only thing you have suggested is to stop using Debian, and I don't
> call that a solution.  It's really funny because a suggestion like that
> fits this mailing list perfectly :))

It is much the best solution to the problem you keep expounding.  You clearly 
dislike Debian intensely, so it is daft to keep using it.  Windows would give 
you everything you say you want:  up to date hardware support and proprietary 
drivers.  And no FLOSS dead ends.

Debian has decided to go back to its roots.  Since you so profoundly disagree 
with the policy, stop using Debian.  The developers are volunteers.  They can 
do what they want to do.  You could always pay someone to develop a fork for 
you, or develop it for yourself.  There are plenty of distros with different 
policies - and there is Windows.  And OSX, of course.

Debian is what it is.  Most of us like it, which is why we use it.  If you 
don't like it, don't use it.

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Re: compiling a Debian package

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, lee  wrote:
>
>
> Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will
> not be available in the next release,


Yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see a formal announcement of
it on the front page of debian.org and on debian-announce. I expect
it sometime between 2038 and never. Unless you mean something
besides support for i386/x86-32, but there is no indication of that
from the context.


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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Jochen Spieker]

Kelly Clowers:
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their
>> e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or
>> Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of
>> plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for
>> that matter).
> 
> Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database,
> namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the
> same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS
> looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to.

I already supposed something like this when writing my e-mail but
couldn't be bothered to google it. Nevertheless, I deliberately chose
the term "relational database" which does not appear to apply to ESE.
And that means I am still right. ;-)

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Addition of the Workman keyboard layout

[David Norman]

What is the best way to go about proposing the addition of the Workman keyboard 
layout to continue in the tracks of Colemak?

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Does Debian dictionary/glossary/acronym list exist?

[Richard Owlett]

I've been using computers since before Linus was born.
I'm making the switch from a certain OS ;\

I'm also one of those strange people who actually reads docs.

What do I do when I find terms such as initrd or udeb ?

And before I get too much grief from youngsters - From 
personal experience do you have any clue of relevance of 
CORC, CUPL, WATFOR, WATFIV, 026, 12AX7, etc, etc ;/ ?


I'm looking for a self sufficient reference.

P.S. I'm also of era of S100, CPM, KIM, SYM,  CBM etc etc etc ;)






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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> Kelly Clowers:
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Jochen Spieker  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think there are many people (or organisations) that keep their
>>> e-mails in relational databases. Sure, mail servers like Exchange (or
>>> Dovecot) may have their own on-disk-format for mailboxes instead of
>>> plain maildirs or mboxes. But they don't use MySQL (or Postgres, for
>>> that matter).
>>
>> Exchange may not use MS SQL Server, but it does use a database,
>> namely Extensible Storage Engine (ESE) aka JET Blue (not the
>> same code as JET Red, which was the old Access engine). MS
>> looked at moving Exchange to SQL Server, but decided not to.
>
> I already supposed something like this when writing my e-mail but
> couldn't be bothered to google it. Nevertheless, I deliberately chose
> the term "relational database" which does not appear to apply to ESE.
> And that means I am still right. ;-)

You are right indeed. I didn't see a clear answer to whether it was
relational or not at first.


Cheers,

Kelly Clowers


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Re: compiling a Debian package

[Jochen Spieker]

lee:
> Darac Marjal  writes:
> 
>> Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free
>> software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free
>> software is the responsibility of that software's provider.
> 
> You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software.

As a general statement this is simply not true.

> NVIDIA continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years
> or so.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But you should be aware
that most people in the Free Softare world (and probably most people
running some Linux distro) oppose that claim.

J.
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Checking local mail with Icedove

[craig]

This may or may not be a dumb question, but I would like to install logcheck on 
my local machine, and then view the emails it generates using Icedove. I guess 
I need a POP or IMAP server running, so my question is, which server should I 
install to access the emails that will be put into a maildir format, and how is 
it configured to accept connections locally only?

Any advice?

Thanks,
Craig


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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:55:34 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:

> 
> now i want to decide the email storage strategy where i am confuse a
> bit to choose the correct path.
> 
>  i remember someone once suggested me that i should store emails
> directly into my harddisk in to file formate instead of MYsql
> database. the point behind was that if database corrupted  then whole
> data will be lost but on the other hand if i store email in folder it
> can be recovered easily . (apart from mysql database backup and
> restore strategy) since i am very new to mail server i would like to
> learn from your experience and expert opinion that what route should i
> choose?
> 
> 
Exactly right. Do you want maximum security or maximum usability?

As others have mentioned here, Exchange uses a database, in part for
ease of searching but also for security. There is no reliable way to
restore a single mailbox, and if your server dies badly, there's pretty
much no way to use even a backup of the database on any other hardware.
The encryption of the database is tied into security numbers created
with the OS installation.

Excellent security for confidential email (as required in certain
industries in the US), but the whole lot is gone if you can't recover
the server OS installation. The workaround is to run the server
virtual, so it can be restored to different physical hardware without a
change of installation environment. You virtualise the server in order
to have a reasonable chance of disaster recovery of your email...

If the server is still there but the database is damaged, it is often
possible to restore a backup to a specially-created mount point, from
which repairs may be effected. It doesn't always work, and hasn't
either of the times I tried it. Then it's a restore of the entire OS
from a backup tens of gigabytes in size. And you don't know what
resource-hungry means until you've seen Exchange or SQL Server
running. Exchange does transaction-rollback, and doesn't commit its
journal until the next backup.

Obviously, MySQL isn't going to be so difficult to deal with, and it
can be easily backed up and restored to another instance. It can be
dumped as plain text, and indeed in the form of SQL statements to
rebuild the database elsewhere. I assume you could store it in an
encrypted filesystem if you needed to, though that would make recovery
a little harder if you didn't keep good backups.

I store mail as plain text files. Next to no security, but I don't have
valuable and confidential emails, and I value the ability to read them
with just about any program, or recover most/all of them from most
kinds of failure, from a rescue boot medium. Backing up is a trivial
file copy.

Microsoft has no other mail server but Exchange. With Linux, you have a
wide choice.

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Re: Checking local mail with Icedove

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:36:13 -0500 (CDT)
cr...@gtek.biz wrote:

> This may or may not be a dumb question, but I would like to install
> logcheck on my local machine, and then view the emails it generates
> using Icedove. I guess I need a POP or IMAP server running, so my
> question is, which server should I install to access the emails that
> will be put into a maildir format, and how is it configured to accept
> connections locally only?
> 

I think most IMAP servers use maildir: I use Courier. I would expect it
can be configured to listen only to localhost, mine is the network IMAP
server, so it doesn't. Courier would use ADDRESS=127.0.0.1
in /etc/courier/imapd to do this.

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Re: btrfs on LUKS

[Christian Stalp]

Thank you for answering. But I still looking for a software solution. Is
there a way to make a setup with the debian-installer?

/christian


> On 10/31/2012 7:56 PM, Celejar wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:01:40 -0500
>> Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
>>> Why didn't you purchase a self encrypting SSD?  Eliminates all of these
>>> issues.  Lots of them available today.
>> Price? Doing a quick check on Newegg, the cheapest SSDs currently start
>> at about $50-$60 (although one can occasionally find one on sale /
>> special / after rebate for $20-$30), and searching within those
>> results for 'encryption' indicates that the cheapest with that
>> capability is about $95.
> Your methods are not sufficient.  Newegg doesn't provide the necessary
> information in it's product database.
>
> SandForce 1000/2000 series controllers do automatic transparent AES-128
> or AES-256 encryption depending on controller model, and do so while
> achieving much higher performance than all other SSD controllers on the
> market.  They also support a boot time disk password.
>
> http://www.lsi.com/technology/duraclass/Pages/Automatic-Encryption.aspx
>
> This $45 40GB Mushkin drive has an SF-1200 controller:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226168
>
> This $90 120GB OCZ Agility3 has an SF-2281 controller:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227914
>
> Thus cost isn't really a factor.  The $45 is current regular price on
> Mushkin, not after rebate, etc.  Frankly I'd be surprised that anyone
> would be anything but a SandForce based SSD today, given the
> price/performance/capacity ratio.  The OP's SSD may in fact be a
> SandForce model, and he may simply not be aware of it, or the features I
> mentioned above.
>


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Re: Does Debian dictionary/glossary/acronym list exist?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I've been using computers since before Linus was born.
> I'm making the switch from a certain OS ;\
>
> I'm also one of those strange people who actually reads docs.
>
> What do I do when I find terms such as initrd or udeb ?
>
> And before I get too much grief from youngsters - From personal experience
> do you have any clue of relevance of CORC, CUPL, WATFOR, WATFIV, 026, 12AX7,
> etc, etc ;/ ?
>
> I'm looking for a self sufficient reference.
>
> P.S. I'm also of era of S100, CPM, KIM, SYM,  CBM etc etc etc ;)


Try http://wiki.debian.org/Glossary and
http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/acronyms.html

And a general google may work for some things (depending on how
overloaded it is), maybe with "debian" added to the search.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: compiling a Debian package

[Go Linux]

--- On Thu, 11/1/12, lee  wrote:

> From: lee 
> Subject: Re: compiling a Debian package
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 12:35 PM
> 
> Don't worry, I like free software a lot.  I don't like
> dead ends,
> though.
>

I am finding problems getting some multimedia apps to work properly on wheezy.  
Certain features of avidemux 2.5.6 crash. 2.6 barely works at all. Their custom 
install script uses sudo (which isn't enabled by default on Debian).  DVDStyler 
isn't even in the deb multimedia repos for wheezy but there are plenty of .debs 
available for 'buntu.   It seems that media devs are putting time into getting 
things going on 'buntu but leaving Debian behind. H . . . I wonder why . . 
. I want to stick with Debian but may have to keep my media work indefinitely 
on squeeze if things don't straighten out on wheezy.  Or find a more media 
friendly distro. Right now I'm feeling frustrated on the way to po'd.  
Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed 
with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work.




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Re: Mailbox, Mysql or Folder.

[Jude DaShiell]

Once I used a mailbox and got cured of that in a hurry when clamav cut off 
access to the entire content of that mailbox because at least one of the 
messages in that mailbox had a virus clamav had detected.  That was a 
windows virus too.  I went with nmh after that since it uses folders with 
each message in its own file.  I might loose individual files on account 
of viruses or access to those files but still have access to the rest of 
my mail.  Your mileage very probably will vary.


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Re: Advice on system purchase

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 11/1/2012 11:42 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Montag, 29. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
>>> For powerful laptops and power saving desktops I think Intel 
>>> Sandybridge/Ivybridge is best bet currently - except for the
>>> political  dimension.
>>
>> Sure, but 90% of users don't need "powerful".  All the cores sit idle
>> most of the time, and a faster CPU doesn't make Thunderbird or Firefox,
>> IE or Outlook express, go any faster.  Nor any of the standard desktop
>> apps.  90% of users would benefit more from a low wattage dual or even
>> single core CPU, with an SSD instead of a rust drive.
>>
>> But it's hard to sell people on the truth after you've been lying to
>> them about the benefits of 4-8 core CPUs for many years...
> 
> Yeah, as you pointed out its about peak performance.

No, it has nothing to do with peak performance.  What I said was that,
in a nut shell, a 2.5-3GHz dual core CPU from AMD or Intel is more
powerful than what 99.99% of users need.  Yet AMD/Intel are only selling
4/6/8 core desktop CPUs today.  It's a waste of cores and a waste of money.

> But if you look at my powertop snapshots you will see that the Linux 
> Kernel mostly switched between 800 MHz and turbo mode, i.e. give me all 
> MHz you can squeeze out of the CPU given the current load on other cores 
> and GPU. Especially if regularily it does it mostly on one core. If that 
> core can go faster it may have a noticable effect.
> 
> So a higher peak performance may have a beneficial effect on latency in 
> short high load situations like starting an application or other high 
> loads.

This has nothing to do with the case I've made.  You're talking about
battery saving CPU frequency scaling on a laptop.  This has nothing to
do with the case I've made.

> Whether thats noticable? Well, one would have to test it.
> 
> I think to see any difference during application load times tough you need 
> to have a good SSD alongside. 

CPU performance has little to do with app load times, with most
productivity apps anyway.  Load time is dictated by disk latency.  If
the application's binary and libraries have been cached then CPU makes
more difference, but it's a small difference.

> But I do believe that the kernel pings 
> between 800 MHz and turbo mode not for nothing.

I have no idea what point you're making here.

> That said: By all means, I bet there are numerous AMD CPUs out there that 
> are just fast enough already. So I think we basically agree with 
> difference in detail scope.

The top performing CPUs from 3-4 generations ago (4-5 years), both AMD
and Intel, were already fast enough for the average user.  Simply
switching to an SSD gives these users far more additional performance
than a faster many-core chip.

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Re: Checking local mail with Icedove

[John L. Cunningham]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:36:13PM -0500, cr...@gtek.biz wrote:
> This may or may not be a dumb question, but I would like to install logcheck 
> on my local machine, and then view the emails it generates using Icedove. I 
> guess I need a POP or IMAP server running, so my question is, which server 
> should I install to access the emails that will be put into a maildir format, 
> and how is it configured to accept connections locally only?

I don't think you need to bother with POP or IMAP. It appears Icedove
has an account type called "movemail" that you can point to
/var/spool/mail/.

Personally, I use good old /usr/bin/mail for this purpose.

John


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Re: If btrfs is a way to save my SSD. Then what is for swap?

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 11/2/2012 12:05 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote:
> SSD like samsung 840 (TLC) only has 1k write times. Swap directly on it
> would not be horrible?

Your question I presume:  "Is SSD suitable for a swap partition?"

Answer:  Yes, all SSDs are much faster than mechanical HDD for swap duty

Reason:  SSDs have no rotational latency

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