Re: Debian 6.0.0 squeeze unable to detect RAID Controller and NIC Card on Dell R720 2U Rack Server

2012-10-15 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer


Am 13.10.2012 um 13:15 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:


On 10/13/2012 5:06 AM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:


I am installing Debian 6.0.0 squeeze with kernel version
2.6.32-5-amd64 on Dell R720 2U server(
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/dell-poweredge-r720-spec-sheet.pdf) 
,

the installer is unable to detect the RAID Controller and NIC Card.
Details of lspci -> http://paste.debian.net/199820/ Any clue to this
issue?
Please let me know if anyone needs any further information.


A quality sysadmin would have checked and ironed out OS compatibility
issues before ever ordering the hardware.  Keep that for future
reference.  You'll need to do that legwork now:

Check Dell's website for Debian Stable and Testing support.


That's not 100% reliable.


Also check
the minimum Linux kernel version required to support the H series RAID
cards and Broadcom 5720/5800 series embedded NICs.  I don't keep up  
with
Dell, but this appears to be relatively new hardware: PCIe 3.0,  
embedded

10GbE NICs, hot swap PCIe SSD, etc.  2.6.32 was released Dec 2009,
almost 3 years ago.  I'm guessing the latest 2.6.32-5 Squeeze kernel
doesn't include the necessary drivers and/or firmware blobs for these
devices.


Right.

I run R510s with PERC H700 and as a minimum an instaalation with non- 
free firmware is needed. I used this image:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

I know that R510 does not compare to R720. But even on R510 I have  
problems with outdated drivers.


- the current OMSA 7 makes problems wit the old 2.6.32 kernel
- megaraid_sas (the kernel driver for the PERC) should be upgraded to  
a newer version
- inserting a second PCIe Intel GB NIC with dual head causes heavy  
packet loss on the first Intel NIC, this is AFAIK a PCIe kernel  
problem solved in newer versions




In the future, do your homework *before* you buy, saving yourself from
these headaches.


Subscribing linux-powere...@dell.com is a must.


Helmut Wollmersdorfer



resolve.conf missing

2012-10-15 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i just installed Debian squeeze 6.0.4 with net install CD. everything
went Ok but the problem is i could not find "resolve.conf" file in
/etc/. so i have to create the file manually however still i can not
use the file because whenever i place my internal DNS like "nameserver
10.X.X.8" and try to ping google.com and it faild eventually.

Note : my DNS is reachable and successfully pinged from the mentioned machine.

root@cheetah:~# ping google.com
ping: unknown host google.com
root@cheetah:~# cat /etc/resolve.conf
nameserver 10.x.x.8
root@cheetah:~#

kindly help me to resolve the issue.

Thanks you,

MYK


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Re: resolve.conf missing

2012-10-15 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
Sorry!  my mistake i created a file with wrong file name the correct
spelling is resolv.conf i mistakenly add the "e".



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
> i just installed Debian squeeze 6.0.4 with net install CD. everything
> went Ok but the problem is i could not find "resolve.conf" file in
> /etc/. so i have to create the file manually however still i can not
> use the file because whenever i place my internal DNS like "nameserver
> 10.X.X.8" and try to ping google.com and it faild eventually.
>
> Note : my DNS is reachable and successfully pinged from the mentioned machine.
>
> root@cheetah:~# ping google.com
> ping: unknown host google.com
> root@cheetah:~# cat /etc/resolve.conf
> nameserver 10.x.x.8
> root@cheetah:~#
>
> kindly help me to resolve the issue.
>
> Thanks you,
>
> MYK


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Re: resolve.conf missing

2012-10-15 Thread Morning Star
it seems you haven't installed the 'resolvconf'. you need to install
it first by using root privileges or using 'sudo' .

# apt-get install resolvconf

Greetings,

Marco

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan  wrote:
> i just installed Debian squeeze 6.0.4 with net install CD. everything
> went Ok but the problem is i could not find "resolve.conf" file in
> /etc/. so i have to create the file manually however still i can not
> use the file because whenever i place my internal DNS like "nameserver
> 10.X.X.8" and try to ping google.com and it faild eventually.
>
> Note : my DNS is reachable and successfully pinged from the mentioned machine.
>
> root@cheetah:~# ping google.com
> ping: unknown host google.com
> root@cheetah:~# cat /etc/resolve.conf
> nameserver 10.x.x.8
> root@cheetah:~#
>
> kindly help me to resolve the issue.
>
> Thanks you,
>
> MYK
>
>
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Re: mount cdrom?

2012-10-15 Thread Hadi Motamedi



From: motamed...@hotmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: FW: mount cdrom?
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 06:58:38 +







From: motamed...@hotmail.com
To: lisi.re...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: mount cdrom?
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 06:08:36 +







> From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> To: motamed...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:04:52 +0100
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday 13 October 2012 12:41:30 you wrote:
> > > From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> > > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:37:08 +0100
> > >
> > > On Saturday 13 October 2012 11:43:12 Hadi Motamedi wrote:
> > > >  Brad wrote:
> > > >>  I wonder why you want to
> > > >>
> > > > > use a CD to install packages?  The online repos are generally better
> > > > > for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >  Regards  _
> > > > >  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> > > > > / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> > > > > Who's a sucker now?
> > > > > Edward The Bear - The Damned
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your reply. But I have downloaded the other two iso
> > > > images named "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-2.iso"  &
> > > >  "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-3.iso" so I wanted  to make use of them
> > > > to install other packages from .
> > >
> > > Yes, but that doesn't answer Brad's question.  Why?
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Actually, for downloading iso images I had high speed download link. But at
> > now, my server does not have high speed internet connection at the moment
> > so I thought that if I can make use of the other iso image CDs to install
> > packages.
> 
> I assume that you have actually tried just offering them to the installer? 
> 
> Go to your sources.list, as root, look at the entry for CD1, and copy to 
> create entries for the other CDs.  (Mutatis mutandis, of couirse.)  I can't, 
> I'm afraid, tell you where kfreebsd keeps it's files.
> 
> Lisi
Under /etc/apt/sources.list , the entry comes as :
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 6.0.6_Squeeze_-Official kfreebsd -i386 CD Binary 
-l 20120929:58]/Squeeze main
Can you please let me know how do I need to modify it to be able to read from 
the cdrom drive ?


  

Re: mount cdrom?

2012-10-15 Thread Hadi Motamedi



From: motamed...@hotmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: FW: mount cdrom?
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 06:58:59 +







From: motamed...@hotmail.com
To: lisi.re...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: mount cdrom?
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 06:15:27 +







> From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> To: motamed...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:04:52 +0100
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday 13 October 2012 12:41:30 you wrote:
> > > From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> > > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:37:08 +0100
> > >
> > > On Saturday 13 October 2012 11:43:12 Hadi Motamedi wrote:
> > > >  Brad wrote:
> > > >>  I wonder why you want to
> > > >>
> > > > > use a CD to install packages?  The online repos are generally better
> > > > > for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >  Regards  _
> > > > >  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> > > > > / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> > > > > Who's a sucker now?
> > > > > Edward The Bear - The Damned
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your reply. But I have downloaded the other two iso
> > > > images named "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-2.iso"  &
> > > >  "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-3.iso" so I wanted  to make use of them
> > > > to install other packages from .
> > >
> > > Yes, but that doesn't answer Brad's question.  Why?
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Actually, for downloading iso images I had high speed download link. But at
> > now, my server does not have high speed internet connection at the moment
> > so I thought that if I can make use of the other iso image CDs to install
> > packages.
> 
> I assume that you have actually tried just offering them to the installer? 
> 
> Go to your sources.list, as root, look at the entry for CD1, and copy to 
> create entries for the other CDs.  (Mutatis mutandis, of couirse.)  I can't, 
> I'm afraid, tell you where kfreebsd keeps it's files.
> 
> Lisi
Sorry to forget to mention that my /etc/fstab reads as :
/dev/cd0 /media/cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0
Then I issued :
#mount /dev/cd0 /media/cdom
But I cannot read the CD .


  

Re: resolve.conf missing

2012-10-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 15 oct 12, 15:00:29, Morning Star wrote:
> it seems you haven't installed the 'resolvconf'. you need to install
> it first by using root privileges or using 'sudo' .
> 
> # apt-get install resolvconf

The resolvconf package is very useful when you have several programs 
changing resolv.conf, but not really necessary in a simple setup with 
static DNS configuration.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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RE: mount cdrom?

2012-10-15 Thread Hadi Motamedi



> From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> To: motamed...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:04:52 +0100
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday 13 October 2012 12:41:30 you wrote:
> > > From: lisi.re...@gmail.com
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > Subject: Re: mount cdrom?
> > > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:37:08 +0100
> > >
> > > On Saturday 13 October 2012 11:43:12 Hadi Motamedi wrote:
> > > >  Brad wrote:
> > > >>  I wonder why you want to
> > > >>
> > > > > use a CD to install packages?  The online repos are generally better
> > > > > for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >  Regards  _
> > > > >  / )   "The blindingly obvious is
> > > > > / _)radnever immediately apparent"
> > > > > Who's a sucker now?
> > > > > Edward The Bear - The Damned
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your reply. But I have downloaded the other two iso
> > > > images named "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-2.iso"  &
> > > >  "debian-6.0.6-kfreebsd-i386-CD-3.iso" so I wanted  to make use of them
> > > > to install other packages from .
> > >
> > > Yes, but that doesn't answer Brad's question.  Why?
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Actually, for downloading iso images I had high speed download link. But at
> > now, my server does not have high speed internet connection at the moment
> > so I thought that if I can make use of the other iso image CDs to install
> > packages.
> 
> I assume that you have actually tried just offering them to the installer? 
> 
> Go to your sources.list, as root, look at the entry for CD1, and copy to 
> create entries for the other CDs.  (Mutatis mutandis, of couirse.)  I can't, 
> I'm afraid, tell you where kfreebsd keeps it's files.
> 
> Lisi
Is it wise to try to install older versions of Debian as I have various 
versions of centos , say centos 5.2 , 5.6 , 6.0 , and 6.2 without similar 
problem on my VBox ?

  

Re: Recurring email messages in IceDove and I'm feeling deja vu

2012-10-15 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 08:24:50AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> I am using Icedove, AKA Thunderbird, with an IMAP server.  After
> deleting (or marking for deletion), the messages will reappear in
> the Inbox, or if in the Inbox and marked, they will become unmarked.
> This happens whether I do it manually or a filter rules "moves" the
> message to a folder.  (The latter occurrence causes one or more
> copies to be put into the intended folder, and the original
> reappears in the Inbox, resulting in at least two copies of the
> message.)

Does the same happen with a different MUA (say, evolution or mutt)? If
so, it's an issue with your IMAP server (you didn't say if that's
self-hosted or provided by someone else). For example, the indexes might
be read-only or perhaps you have two clients fighting over the idea of
which messages are read etc.



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Re: Debian 6.0.0 squeeze unable to detect RAID Controller and NIC Card on Dell R720 2U Rack Server

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 09:44 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
> That's not 100% reliable.

!!! Very important. Especially grey and white lists for Linux compatible
hardware only provide coarse information. !!!
More safe are blacklists.

I owned and still own white listed gear that doesn't work. Sometimes a
white list ignores that some revisions of hardware can't be used with
Linux and sometimes they ignore that the hardware only does work for
special cases, e.g. a special Linux version is needed or not all options
can be used or using this hardware with Linux does work for the task
it's made for, but it has got negative impact to other tasks.

A note regarding to "tasks". We can own a Swiss Army knife and we can
glue the knife to a washing machine, that would add functionality to the
pocketknife, but also hinder the usage of the original functionality.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Debian 6.0.0 squeeze unable to detect RAID Controller and NIC Card on Dell R720 2U Rack Server

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: And full ACK that sometimes hardware is supported by outdated
drivers, e.g. some ATI drivers need outdated versions of X. New ATI
drivers won't support old cards anymore. And "OLD" is very relative. So
you can use those cards for all tasks, you "SIMPLY" need to maintain
your Linux working with outdated versions of X, possible, but not really
wanted ;).


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weirdness mounting phone

2012-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
Hi,

Can anyone shed any light on this behaviour when plugging in my
Galaxy Y into my wheezy laptop

---8-< -

root@tal:~# [1132299.352535] cdc_acm 1-1:1.1: This device cannot do
calls on its own. It is not a modem.

root@tal:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
root@tal:~# mount /dev/sdb /mnt/
[1132797.293727] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page present
[1132797.297301] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[1132797.303096] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page present
[1132797.306600] sd 11:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[1132797.405356] FAT-fs (sdb): bogus number of reserved sectors
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
root@tal:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
root@tal:~# ls -al /mnt/
total 484
drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 16384 Jan  1  1970 .
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root  4096 Sep  3 17:44 ..
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  4 19:21 .adobe-digital-editions
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 32768 Sep 27 01:21 Android
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  4 19:41 .android_secure
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Sep 27 02:26 bluetooth
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  2 19:30 burstlyImageCache
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 32768 Sep 27 12:52 DCIM
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  4 19:21 Digital Editions
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  3 15:53 download
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  2 20:13 .downloadTemp
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 32768 Oct 13 22:23 eBooks
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Sep 27 01:21 LOST.DIR
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  4 19:10 samsungapps
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct  2 18:16 .slotmachine_files_9_2
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 32768 Oct 15 06:11 Sounds
root@tal:~#

---8-< -

Not sure how a desktop (Gnome, KDE, LXDE etc.) would handle this.

Not a problem, just weird.

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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread Mark Neidorff
On Sunday 14 October 2012 11:06:31 am Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I have a HD on my system, sdc1 which has root root ownership.  I created
> a directory, Apps, to which I gave computation computation ownership
> (user). I can create a file in the Apps directory without any problems
> as the user.
> 
> However, when I try to run an installer
> 
> ./install_ecce.6.4.rehl5-gcc4.1.2-m64.csh
> 
> get a Permission denied message.
> 
> i should not that the same installer runs in the users (computation)
> subdirectory.  The installer permission are set for an executable file,
> and cash has been installed on the system.
> 
> I know enough about permissions to know that I'm missing something, but
> I don't know what it might be.

You are trying to install a RedHat Enterprise Linux package on Debian. This 
can be a problem if the user numbers that Debian and Redhat either conflict or 
if RedHat makes different assumptions about user numbers than Debian does.  Can 
you get a Debian package for ecce?


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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread Lisi
On Monday 15 October 2012 13:46:03 Mark Neidorff wrote:
> On Sunday 14 October 2012 11:06:31 am Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > I have a HD on my system, sdc1 which has root root ownership.  I created
> > a directory, Apps, to which I gave computation computation ownership
> > (user). I can create a file in the Apps directory without any problems
> > as the user.
> >
> > However, when I try to run an installer
> >
> > ./install_ecce.6.4.rehl5-gcc4.1.2-m64.csh
> >
> > get a Permission denied message.
> >
> > i should not that the same installer runs in the users (computation)
> > subdirectory.  The installer permission are set for an executable file,
> > and cash has been installed on the system.
> >
> > I know enough about permissions to know that I'm missing something, but
> > I don't know what it might be.
>
> You are trying to install a RedHat Enterprise Linux package on Debian. This
> can be a problem if the user numbers that Debian and Redhat either conflict
> or if RedHat makes different assumptions about user numbers than Debian
> does.  Can you get a Debian package for ecce?

According to the Debian package list, the answer is no.  (I searched on all 
versions.)

Lisi


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Re: Recurring email messages in IceDove and I'm feeling deja vu

2012-10-15 Thread Jon Dowland
Try rebuilding/repairing your INBOX and/or other effected folders. Right-click
on the folder in the left-hand pane, select 'Properties' and then "Repair
Folder".  This can happen when Thunderbird's cache gets out-of-sync from the
server and it cannot figure out how to get back in sync on it's own. I used to
get this quite a lot when using IMAP to access an Exchange mailbox (Exchange is
a notoriously poor IMAP server)


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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 14:03 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > Can you get a Debian package for ecce?
> 
> According to the Debian package list, the answer is no.  (I searched on all 
> versions.)

Perhaps wiki.debian.org/Alien could help.

Regards,
Ralf





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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 15:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 14:03 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > > Can you get a Debian package for ecce?
> > 
> > According to the Debian package list, the answer is no.  (I searched on all 
> > versions.)
> 
> Perhaps wiki.debian.org/Alien could help.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf


Apologize! I didn't notice ./install_ecce.6.4.rehl5-gcc4.1.2-m64.csh and
Fedora does use RPM.



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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread John Hasler
Mark Neidorff wrote:
> You are trying to install a RedHat Enterprise Linux package on
> Debian. This can be a problem if the user numbers that Debian and
> Redhat either conflict or if RedHat makes different assumptions about
> user numbers than Debian does.  Can you get a Debian package for ecce?



The fact that that the "installer" is a csh script is a bad sign (as is
the fact that there is an "installer" at all).  If possible get the bare
rpm package and install it with alien.  I'd suggest building from source
but I suspect that the build system is a nightmare (and probably also a
csh script, but I repeat myself).

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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread hvw59601

Mark Neidorff wrote:

On Sunday 14 October 2012 11:06:31 am Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I have a HD on my system, sdc1 which has root root ownership.  I created
a directory, Apps, to which I gave computation computation ownership
(user). I can create a file in the Apps directory without any problems
as the user.

However, when I try to run an installer

./install_ecce.6.4.rehl5-gcc4.1.2-m64.csh

get a Permission denied message.

i should not that the same installer runs in the users (computation)
subdirectory.  The installer permission are set for an executable file,
and cash has been installed on the system.

I know enough about permissions to know that I'm missing something, but
I don't know what it might be.


You are trying to install a RedHat Enterprise Linux package on Debian. This 
can be a problem if the user numbers that Debian and Redhat either conflict or 
if RedHat makes different assumptions about user numbers than Debian does.  Can 
you get a Debian package for ecce?





Try downloading ecce-v6.4-src.tar.bz2 from the ecce site and installing 
that. There is an ecce forum also.


Hugo


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No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Albretch Mueller
 I am having problems which I think may relate to an actually dying
disk, but I am not sure. Sometimes I have thought it is because of a
dying disk and then we have realized it wasn't.
~
 I basically installed java and recursively copied the files to
another directory. 'which' and 'ls' are telling me the file is where I
put and declared it in the PATH, but the JVM doesn't find it
~
 What do you think is wrong with the picture?
~
 thanks
 lbrtchx
~
$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games

$ export JAVA_HOME="/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07"

$ export PATH="$JAVA_HOME"/bin:$PATH

$ echo $PATH
/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games

$ which java
/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java

$ java -version
bash: /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java: No such file or directory

$ ls -l /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java
-rwxr-xr-x 1 knoppix knoppix 7750 Oct 15 10:30
/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java

$ pwd
/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin

$ ls -l ./java
-rwxr-xr-x 1 knoppix knoppix 7750 Oct 15 10:30 ./java

$ ./java -version
bash: ./java: No such file or directory

$ fdisk -l /dev/sdb

Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders, total 156301488 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000250da

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb12048   14040678370202368   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2   149000192   156301311 36505605  Extended
/dev/sdb3   140406784   149000191 4296704   83  Linux
/dev/sdb5   149002240   156301311 3649536   83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

$ sudo smartctl -a -d ata -T permissive /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.43 2012-05-01 r3539 [x86_64-linux-3.3.7-64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.9
Device Model: ST3808110AS
Serial Number:9LS01307
Firmware Version: 3.AAH
User Capacity:80,026,361,856 bytes [80.0 GB]
Sector Size:  512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   7
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:Mon Oct 15 11:16:21 2012 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:  (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:(  430) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:(0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off 
support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:(   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:(  27) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   113   075   006Pre-fail
Always   -   54997907
  3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   094   094   000Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   020Old_age
Always   -   465
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   080   060   030Pre-fail
Always   -   101732850
  9 Power_On_Hours  

Re: No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Jon Dowland
The error "no such file or directory" could be a red-herring in some cases.
What is the filesystem and mount options for the drive upon which you've put
Java? (output of "mount", please)


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Re: No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 04:24:25PM +0100, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>  I am having problems which I think may relate to an actually dying
> disk, but I am not sure. Sometimes I have thought it is because of a
> dying disk and then we have realized it wasn't.
> ~
>  I basically installed java and recursively copied the files to
> another directory. 'which' and 'ls' are telling me the file is where I
> put and declared it in the PATH, but the JVM doesn't find it
> ~
>  What do you think is wrong with the picture?
> ~
>  thanks
>  lbrtchx
> ~
> $ echo $PATH
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
> 
> $ export JAVA_HOME="/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07"
> 
> $ export PATH="$JAVA_HOME"/bin:$PATH
> 
> $ echo $PATH
> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
> 
> $ which java
> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java
> 
> $ java -version
> bash: /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java: No such file or directory

What does :

$ file ./java

report ?

If ./java is a script and contains a she-bang which references a
non-existent shell, this would be expected. For example if it
contained:
#!/bin/bash
and you /bin/bash did not exist


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Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Richard Owlett
Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from 
a CD.


Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed 
internet connection.


I can have limited access to "high" speed access by carrying 
one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find 
downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth 
limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number 
of users.


Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it 
does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved 
_*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks.






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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:41:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD.
> 
> Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet
> connection.

I don't believe they were chided, simply reminded that the best way to
get packages is usually direct from the repositories.

As you note, there are use-cases for the CDs, which is why they exist.
For example, I have installed debian on an air-gapped system (that is, a
server which is not and will never be connected to the internet). My
only option in that case was to download DVDs and use them.



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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Karen Lewellen

I must agree.
There can be many barriers to installing or upgrading from on line sources.
I will solve *my* own situation later by using the DVD images I have even if 
slightly behind.  I want stable squeeze anyway.

Karen

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Richard Owlett wrote:


Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD.

Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection.

I can have limited access to "high" speed access by carrying one of my 
laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a live-CD 
feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum usage for 
maximum number of users.


Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not include 
a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD 
set of install disks.






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Re: Permissions Problem

2012-10-15 Thread Stephen P. Molnar

On 10/15/2012 09:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 08:46 -0400, Mark Neidorff wrote:

user numbers

I suspect the term should be "user IDs".

If I list my Debian from Arch Linux, it does look like that:

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ id
uid=1000(spinymouse) gid=100(users)
groups=100(users),7(lp),10(wheel),50(games),91(video),92(audio),93(optical),95(storage),96(scanner),98(power),108(vboxusers)
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -l /run/media/spinymouse/avlinux/home
total 8
drwxr-xr-x  2 root 29 4096 Apr  6  2012 music
drwxr-xr-x 55 spinymouse 1000 4096 Sep 21 00:36 spinymouse

Names become IDs.

Regards,
Ralf



Here are some things I have managed to find:

[   15.162173] EXT4-fs (sde1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[   15.241250] EXT4-fs (sde2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode

It would seen that both partitions are found.

root@debian:/sde2# l
total 24
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 Oct 15 11:57 Apps

drwxr-xr-x 40 root root  4096 Oct 14 15:12 computation
drwx--  2 root root 16384 Sep 29 11:06 lost+found

root@debian:/sde2/Apps# l
total 12
drwxr-xr-x  4 computation computation 4096 Oct 15 11:40 ecce-v6.4
drwxr-xr-x 10 computation computation 4096 Sep 29 16:18 MGLTools-1.5.4
drwxr-xr-x  2 computation computation 4096 Sep 29 16:17 scratch

It would seem that the installer has set permissions at computation 
computation, but:


 computation@debian:/sde2/Apps/ecce-v6.4/apps/scripts$ ./ecce
bash: ./ecce: Permission denied

I get the same response for every executable in the Apps directory. (the 
paths are set by the installer).


Solutions to these problems will really be appreciated.

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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Richard Owlett

Darac Marjal wrote:

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:41:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD.

Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet
connection.


I don't believe they were chided, simply reminded that the best way to
get packages is usually direct from the repositories.


OK, maybe I was reading into it some comments I've received 
having asked for help to do things in a very non-standard way.
Friends who've known me for >40 years still wonder about my 
logic ;)




As you note, there are use-cases for the CDs, which is why they exist.
For example, I have installed debian on an air-gapped system (that is, a
server which is not and will never be connected to the internet). My
only option in that case was to download DVDs and use them.




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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:41:16 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:

Hello Richard,

>Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from 
>a CD.

That's putting it strong;  I asked why they wanted to use the CD/DVD
method rather than online repos out of curiosity.  The answer came back -
lack of connectivity.  A perfectly valid reason.

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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/15/2012 10:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD.
> 
> Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection.
> 
> I can have limited access to "high" speed access by carrying one of my
> laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a
> live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum
> usage for maximum number of users.
> 
> Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not
> include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by
> purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks.

You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet
access.  In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more
expensive, than aDSL or cable, though I'm not familiar with the
providers and plans in Springfield.  You mention "carrying" your laptop
to the local library, not "driving".  Can we assume you're walking to
the library, live  in the city limits, not on a farm or other rural
location outside of Springfield?

How far are you from the MSU campus?  If it's not a prohibitive
distance, it might be worth explaining your situation to someone in the
MSU telecommunications department and see if you can get a guest access
account.  Then stop by every couple of weeks to download your Debian and
other updates, and anything "big" you need, etc.  I'd assume there won't
be any bandwidth limits.

Also, it's possible they might be running a local non-public Debian
mirror in the Engineering or Computer Science departments.  (Many
universities and colleges host private mirrors of popular open source
software repos to conserve bandwidth on their public pipe)  If so you
might get permission to pull directly from such mirrors.

Just some suggestions from a fellow Missourian, though a couple hundred
miles to the North.

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Re: No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-10-15 17:38 +0200, Jon Dowland wrote:

> The error "no such file or directory" could be a red-herring in some cases.

According to the execve(2) manpage, it means

 The file filename or a script  or ELF interpreter does not exist,
 or  a shared  library needed  for file  or interpreter  cannot be
 found.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Raphael Cauderlier
Albretch Mueller  writes:

>  I am having problems which I think may relate to an actually dying
> disk, but I am not sure. Sometimes I have thought it is because of a
> dying disk and then we have realized it wasn't.
> ~
>  I basically installed java and recursively copied the files to
> another directory. 'which' and 'ls' are telling me the file is where I
> put and declared it in the PATH, but the JVM doesn't find it
> ~
>  What do you think is wrong with the picture?
> ~
>  thanks
>  lbrtchx
> ~
> $ echo $PATH
> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
>
> $ export JAVA_HOME="/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07"
>
> $ export PATH="$JAVA_HOME"/bin:$PATH
>
> $ echo $PATH
> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
>
> $ which java
> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java
>
> $ java -version
> bash: /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java: No such file or directory
>

I just had a similar problem and solved it using the solution from
https://workbooks.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/java-no-such-file-or-directory-on-linux/
(installing the package ia32-libs)

I hope this helps.

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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread John Hasler
Stan Hoeppner writes:
> You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet
> access.  In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more
> expensive, than aDSL or cable...

In many it is much cheaper (here, for example).  In some broadband is
not available at all.
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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Richard Owlett

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

On 10/15/2012 10:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

Recently someone was chided for attempting installation from a CD.

Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed internet connection.

I can have limited access to "high" speed access by carrying one of my
laptops to the local library. I don't find downloading more than a
live-CD feasible due to bandwidth limits they set to provide maximum
usage for maximum number of users.

Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it does not
include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved _*MY*_ problem by
purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks.


You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet
access.  In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more
expensive, than aDSL or cable, though I'm not familiar with the
providers and plans in Springfield.  You mention "carrying" your laptop
to the local library, not "driving".  Can we assume you're walking to
the library, live  in the city limits, not on a farm or other rural
location outside of Springfield?


It's paid service and is less than the teaser rates quoted 
by either ATT or the locale cable outfit. To even get the 
"teaser rate" from either source I'd have to bundle in a 
bunch of unwanted services. Effectively, the last time I did 
a head to head comparison, I was saving more than $40 a 
month. Besides this way way I can drive a couple of miles 
and see the *owner* of my ISP. I get very good customer 
service. Besides any DSL only became available in this area 
of the city a few years ago. I'm literally on the "wrong 
side of the tracks". This area was built up ~110-120 years 
ago for laborers in the local rail yard. Though well within 
the city limits, I'm not within walking distance of a library.




How far are you from the MSU campus?  If it's not a prohibitive
distance, it might be worth explaining your situation to someone in the
MSU telecommunications department and see if you can get a guest access
account.  Then stop by every couple of weeks to download your Debian and
other updates, and anything "big" you need, etc.  I'd assume there won't
be any bandwidth limits.


Depending on which route, I might drive past MSU on way to 
library. But though I don't doubt it meets ADA requirements, 
I'd not consider that campus to be handicapped friendly. 
Once I get my system(s) set up the way I want, using the 
library will likely be adequate.





Also, it's possible they might be running a local non-public Debian
mirror in the Engineering or Computer Science departments.  (Many
universities and colleges host private mirrors of popular open source
software repos to conserve bandwidth on their public pipe)  If so you
might get permission to pull directly from such mirrors.

Just some suggestions from a fellow Missourian, though a couple hundred
miles to the North.



Know of any Linux groups within driving distance of 
Springfield? ICON, a local computer group, has a very small 
Linux SIG. That's all I'm aware of.





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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
Hi Lisi, Brian, Lee, Joe, Neal, Dom, and Ralf,

Your support is very much appreciated. I've read all postings and had
trouble keeping up with replying to all my questions that have been so
very supportive.

I would like to take pause for a moment and kindly update you all on
my situation.

I did install Debain Squeeze. I am very happy. The dual boot menu did
actually work. GRUB presented me with a pre-boot menu BUT as i said
earlier, win2k was not listed in the OS choices as an optional boot.
GRUB did recognize it during the install no no-show at GRUM boot-up
menu time.

I finally found time to respond today and wanted to get this reply out
to the mailing list before 3:00pm Standard time. At 3;00pm standard
time here in the U.S.A., it's 12:00 midnight in Europe and the UK
where a lot of the support is coming from. Therefore the mailing list
tends to slow to a crawl after about 6:00pm eastern time here in the
United States.

Here is where I'm at on the learning curve with Linux. I have in the
past only worked with windows. I'm currently running three systems.
Win2k, winXP and Win7. Linux intrigues me. Has for years but I never
took the plunge until now. I have learned to accomplish many
administrative tasks in windows, I understand the file structure and
how to work with it, have installed and deleted programs, visited
system-edit (when I'm feeling  brave), have tweaked the desktop all
all settings etc. etc. I code web pages and currently learning "C"
programming, thus pretty much anything explained to me in windows I
can understand or at least navigate to the instructional destination.

I have received helpful posts from all of our fellow Debian users that
belong no where else except placed in a frame, and hung on a wall in a
museum. Just fantastic and extensive help, suggestions and support.
All presented in such extreme detail with much patience a advice.
Second to none.

The unfortunate part is that I am not a seasoned Linux user and do not
understand the where or how to enter the suggested Syntax to solve or
identify my issue with GRUB not listing win2k in the boot menu.

I will now reply (separately) to each and every post that has yet to
be responded to.

Thanks so much


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Re: No such file or directory ...

2012-10-15 Thread Albretch Mueller
 Well, in case someone runs against similar weird problems.
~
 As Raphaƫl hinted, their root seems to relate to my starting
Linux/Debian/knoppix as:
~
 knoppix64 ...
~
 which I think it is what I should do right?
~
$ uname -a
Linux Microknoppix 3.3.7 #38 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 22 06:21:01 CEST 2012
i686 GNU/Linux

$ uname -m
i686

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 64
model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
~
 for some reason that is still not totally clear to me, starting using
a 32-bit baseline:
~
 knoppix ...
~
 seems to be fine and of course I also used the 32-bit version of the JVM
~
 thanks
 lbrtchx
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~
$ which bash
/bin/bash

$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 4.2.20(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later 

This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games

$ export JAVA_HOME="/media/sdb1/inst/sw/jdk/x86/1.7.0_07"

$ export PATH="$JAVA_HOME"/bin:$PATH

$ echo $PATH
/media/sdb1/inst/sw/jdk/x86/1.7.0_07/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games

$ which java
/media/sdb1/inst/sw/jdk/x86/1.7.0_07/bin/java

$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_07"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_07-b10)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 23.3-b01, mixed mode)

$ which bash
/bin/bash
~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~






On 10/15/12, Raphael Cauderlier  wrote:
> Albretch Mueller  writes:
>
>>  I am having problems which I think may relate to an actually dying
>> disk, but I am not sure. Sometimes I have thought it is because of a
>> dying disk and then we have realized it wasn't.
>> ~
>>  I basically installed java and recursively copied the files to
>> another directory. 'which' and 'ls' are telling me the file is where I
>> put and declared it in the PATH, but the JVM doesn't find it
>> ~
>>  What do you think is wrong with the picture?
>> ~
>>  thanks
>>  lbrtchx
>> ~
>> $ echo $PATH
>> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
>>
>> $ export JAVA_HOME="/media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07"
>>
>> $ export PATH="$JAVA_HOME"/bin:$PATH
>>
>> $ echo $PATH
>> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
>>
>> $ which java
>> /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java
>>
>> $ java -version
>> bash: /media/sdd1/jdk/x64/jdk1.7.0_07/bin/java: No such file or directory
>>
>
> I just had a similar problem and solved it using the solution from
> https://workbooks.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/java-no-such-file-or-directory-on-linux/
> (installing the package ia32-libs)
>
> I hope this helps.
>
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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Neal Murphy  wrote:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:40:40 AM Wally Lepore wrote:
>> Hi Debain Users,
>>
>> I'm at the final stages of Installing NOT Ubuntu but  Debian 'Squeeze'
>> on my dual-boot system. Windows is installed on the 1st hard drive
>> (/dev/sda) and Debian will be installed on the 2nd hard drive
>> (/dev/sdb).
>>
>> The installer is asking me where I want Grub installed. It says:
>>
>>
>> *BEGIN*
>> The following other operating systems have been detected on this
>> computer: Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
>>
>> If all of your operating systems are listed above, then it should be
>> safe to install the boot loader to the master boot record of your
>> first hard drive.
>>
>>When your computer boots, you will be able to choose
>> to load one of these operating systems or your new system. Install the
>> GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? No  or  Yes ?
>> *END*
>>
>> This is the make it or break it point! Debian is installed on my 2nd
>> drive (/dev/sdb) NOT the 1st drive (/dev/sda). I also created a
>> partition on the Debian drive (/dev/sdb) called  "/boot". GRUB was to
>> be installed at this /boot location and then I would go into BIOS
>> after install and switch the boot order to boot the Debian drive
>> (/dev/sdb). This would then present the menu for which OS I would like
>> to boot (Windows or Debian).
>>
>> If I choose NO to the installer's question as to placing GRUB in the
>> MBR of the 1st drive. What are my choices as to where to install it? I
>> don't want to answer "NO" to the question only to advance the
>> installer to a dead end. I have no idea what may happen next if I
>> answer NO. Any ideas or suggestions please?
>>
>> Thank you
>
> You may have no choice. I had lenny installed on sda. I tried to install
> squeeze on sdb so I could play with KVM and Xen. Grub *insisted* on installing
> itself to sda regardless of what I told it to do. I had to boot lenny's rescue
> disk several times to fix grub before I gave up.

The Debian installer did recognize win2k and it did give me the option
to install GRUB to another location. No problem with that. I installed
to /dev/sdb

> You may have to pull the first drive during the install. And, if you're lucky,
> your BIOS will set the second drive as the 'first' when you tell it to boot
> from it.
>
> If you find no joy, try grub legacy if it's an option. I *know* legacy works;
> I can make a bootable ISO that uses grub, copy the ISO contents to a flash
> drive and make it bootable with a trivial change, and legacy installs where I
> tell it to, not where it decides to because it knows better.
>
> To be clear, my grub2 problems were with v1.97-1.99; I've not tried it since.
> And probably won't until legacy truly dies (i.e., RH's patch set falls into
> disrepair).
>
> In a short phrase, be prepared to stub your toes some more.

I can boot from either OS. I just change the boot order to whatever
drive (OS) I want to use.

Thanks Neal


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Creative /etc/X11/xorg.conf

2012-10-15 Thread Charles Kroeger
For those of you running nouveau as your video driver with the gnome desktop you
wont know about the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but for all us others there is
considerable latitude for creativity in this file and its results on one's X11
desktop.  Take for instance Mark Allums in a letter of the 1st Oct, 2012 where 
he
says:

>Anyway, what you are looking for is in its own package, named, oddly 
>enough, nvidia-xconfig.

If you had created you own X11.conf file before, this package will create 
another
one considerably fancier different and cryptic from yours.

However after trying this package, and applying the file it created to my 
system,
everything worked well until I tried to use any of my non-free software namely
spotify and softmaker-office. At that point there would a seg-fault and not one 
of
those simple ones where the program flashes in front of you before disappearing,
this was instead the seg-fault from hell removing themselves from the screen
and killing the x-server and destroying keyboard communication. There wasn't 
even a
terminal after the X-session ended. The only solution was to punch out like the 
old
windows days.

I mention this because a seg-fault from any software I've used on Debian has 
never
done this before. So..my question might be are the coders of nvidia-xconfig some
kind of debian talaban who have created this to react to non-free software or 
was
that just a coincidence? Since nvidia itself it non-free software that seems
unlikely.

Here's the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file created by the package: nvidia-xconfig:

# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 304.48  (pbuilder@cake)  Wed Sep 12 10:54:51 UTC 2012

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen  0  "Screen0"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# generated from default
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Samsung"
ModelName  "SyncMaster215TW"
HorizSync   28.0 - 33.0
VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection

Can anyone see anything in this file that would blow up your computer?

By restoring my old /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to the fore, all was harmonious 
again.
I did not post my own /etc/X11/xorg.conf file because of its humble appearance
compared to this one created by nvidia-xconfig.

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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Joe  wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:40:40 -0400
> Wally Lepore  wrote:
>
>>
>> If I choose NO to the installer's question as to placing GRUB in the
>> MBR of the 1st drive. What are my choices as to where to install it? I
>> don't want to answer "NO" to the question only to advance the
>> installer to a dead end. I have no idea what may happen next if I
>> answer NO. Any ideas or suggestions please?
>>
>
> You have the choice of installing it in the Debian partition, or not at
> all. In the latter case, you will need to boot to Debian from a
> removable drive. This will quickly become tedious. If you install it in
> the Debian partition, you will need to run this bootloader from the
> first stage of the Windows bootloader.

I don't understand. GRUB just needs to be installed in the partition
of the debian drive. That's my understanding.

> What it comes down to is that you need to boot the first stages of one
> of your operating systems and select either to continue to boot it or
> to boot the other.
>
> If you have Windows up to XP, it is fairly simple either way. Windows
> can boot other operating systems easily, though after XP it became much
> harder to edit the bootloader (Windows' 'Grub2 moment'). Up to and
> including XP, it was a matter of editing the boot.ini text file,
> present in the root of the Windows boot partition. Once this file
> includes two or more operating system entries, you will be given a
> small menu with a timeout and default before Windows starts.

Ok I understand.

> Should you decide to use Grub for the initial boot, and something goes
> wrong that can't be fixed, all versions of Windows can have their
> MBR bootloaders restored from their installation discs, or from a rescue
> disc made from within Windows. Whatever you decide, it is probably
> worth making this rescue disc, as you probably don't have the
> installation disc. Research how to do this and how to make the repair
> before you lose the Internet...

Thank you Joe


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Brian  wrote:
> On Sat 13 Oct 2012 at 12:15:25 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>
>> I only have one shot to get this right or else I have to scrub the
>> install and start over.
>
> Please, no! No more installing from you. We are exhausted. :)

I know but its frustrating on this end. Just tryin' to do the right
thing. Thanks for staying the course with me Brian. ;-)


>> Here is what the new screen is asking:
>>
>> * BEGIN *
>> You need to make the newly installed system bootable, by installing
>> the GRUB boot loader on a bootable device.
>>
>> The usual way to do this is to install GRUB on the master boot record
>> of your first hard drive.
>
> You do not want this.

I totally understand Brian. Thank you for the kindly reminder.

>> If you prefer, you can install GRUB elsewhere on the drive, or to
>> another drive, or even to a floppy.


Done. installed to /dev/sdb as per your advice.


> You are going to take the 'other drive' route.
>
>> The device can be specified using GRUB's "(hdn,m)" notation, or as a
>> device in /dev. Below are some examples:
>
> It doesn't matter whether you use GRUB's notation or the device way.

OK


>> I only have one shot at getting this correct. My 2nd hard drive (that
>> contains Debian) is installed on /dev/sdb and the first partition on
>> that drive is /boot .
>>
>> My Debian hard drive (sdb) is partitioned in the following order:
>>
>> /boot
>> Swap
>> /
>> /var
>> /usr
>> /temp
>> /home
>>
>> Should I simply type   hd1,1   OR   /dev/sdb   in the above box and
>> that should install GRUB to the first /boot partition on the 2nd
>> drive? I want to be sure GRUB gets installed into that first partition
>> (/boot) on drive /dev/sdb. hd,1,1 seems more accurate than /dev/sdb.
>
> Type '/dev/sdb'. Without the quotes. Here is what roughly happens:
>
> Some of GRUB goes in to the MBR.
>
> Some of GRUB is put after the MBR but before the partitions. This is
> known as the embedding area.
>
> GRUB writes a load of files (including grub.cfg) to /boot/grub. It is of
> no importance or concern that /boot is on a separate partition because
> GRUB will find it.


That was amazing! I did not know there was a difference between the
two. Excellent advice. thank you


>> After installation is complete, I will go into my BIOS and change the
>> first boot device to "sdb" (or as BIOS calls it HDD1). I tested this
>> BIOS adjustment a few days ago and the procedure worked fine using two
>> other drives as a test.
>
> We await your announcement of 'success'.


Done. Installed successfully!


> P.S. It is (hd1,1). You really do not want to do put GRUB there. It is
>  not the same as /dev/sdb. Honest.

I adhered to your advice and install into /dev/sdb.

Thank you Brian


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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:50:02 +0200
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed 
> internet connection.

Back in the day I used to download a version of Debian over a 56K modem (that 
rarely
achieved those speeds) I used to set it to downloading around midnight and get 
up
the next morning and it was usually finished or almost and if it had stopped in 
the
night I just restarted at that point, but it did get done and the ISP didn't
complain.

Of course I don't know what kind of data transfer restrictions you may be 
subject to
if any but patience is still free.

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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Joe  wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:49:14 -0400
> Wally Lepore  wrote:
>
>>
>> I can still boot either OS (win2k or Debian) simply by changing the
>> boot order in BIOS. Not a big deal. Sure beats swapping drives in and
>> out of the computer. :)
>>
> Editing Win 2000 boot.ini:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311578
>
> which is Google's first hit for: "windows 2000" "boot.ini"

Hi Joe,

Thanks. I just read the supplied link. The only thing is that I'm dual
booting windows and Debian. I'm not dual booting two MS windows OS's.
Not sure how this would work if I added a Linux Distro to a windows
boot.ini file.

Thank you


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
>On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Lisi  wrote:
>> On Sunday 14 October 2012 00:41:46 Wally Lepore wrote:
>>
>> Now I can finally join the ranks of Debian users and ask operational
>> questions, help others and start the real uphill climb in learning all
>> aspects of linux. A lot more reading and studying for sure - forever.
>>
>> :)  Right off the bat I've encountered the following 'oddities'.
>> 3) Google gmail locks up when I visit the page to check my mail.
>
>
> Which browser?

I'm only using the browsers that installed with the debian netinst
file. Empathy and Iceweasel. They both play videos in a jagged slow
motion with no audio. I'm searching for where to configure the audio.
Still finding my way around. Appreciate any suggestions.


>> I kindly thank all who have endured and answered my questions from the
>> beginning to end.The advice given on this mailing list is superb!
>
> You're very welcome!  And yes, it is.  We have some real experts here.

Yes you certainly have.

Thank you


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Brian  wrote:
>> On Sat 13 Oct 2012 at 18:49:14 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>>
>> Debian Squeeze installed successfully !
>>
>> The dual-boot did not work but I can boot into either Win2k or Debian
>> simply by changing the boot order in the BIOS (hdd-0  or  hdd-1). When
>> I set Debian (hdd-1) as 1st boot device I do receive a menu that asks
>> which OS I would like to boot but Win2k (hdd-0) is not offered as a
>> choice. Its missing.
>
> It's not unknown for the installer to not record an OS in the GRUB menu
> even when it detects its presence. The guide does remark that this
> process is still something of a "black art".
>
>> The only choices presented are Debian Squeeze and Debian Recovery. I
>> guess the fact that I did not put GRUB on the win2k drive (hdd-0) is
>> probably why win2k is not offered as an optional OS to boot. However,
>> based on the suggestions from the helpful replies I have received and
>> reading the online tutorials, everyone has suggested the same thing,
>> "Don't put Grub on the windows drive". That is good enough advice for
>> me! Who knows what could have happened!
>
> Probably nothing disastrous. The Windows boot loader would have been
> wiped out, of course, but if there had been no Windows entry in the
> GRUB menu, it is recoverable. As we shall see.
>
>> I can still boot either OS (win2k or Debian) simply by changing the
>> boot order in BIOS. Not a big deal. Sure beats swapping drives in and
>> out of the computer. :)
>
> Login as root and run the command
>
>update-grub


Hi Brian,

My system won't let me log in as root.

I'm just learning to navigate the desktop. Where do I type
update-grub? I understand that Linux distro's utilize what's called a
"terminal". I believe I found the terminal under. Applications-->
Accessories--> Terminal. Is this correct or is there another location
please?

If it is the correct location, then as soon as the terminal opens, I'm
presented with:

[my-name]@[network-computer-name]:~$ (blinking cursor)

I know I can go to the menu in terminal under.Terminal-->Reset and
Clear and it will just give me a terminal window with a blinking
cursor.

But the fact is I'm not logged in as 'root'. I read doing so can
compromise your system. Also read that after the initial install of
Debian, the user can't log into root. The user has to configure the
system to log-into root.

What next please?


> Watch the screen for a mention of "Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional".
> Check for a Windows entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg with
>
>less /boot/grub/grub.cfg
>
> If it there it should be offered as an option when you reboot.

Okay but I need to log-into root.

Thanks Brian


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Dom  wrote:
>
> You might need to install the os-prober package first. Grub2 uses that to
> identify other OSes on your system.

I haven't installed any pkgs. yet. But will consider that if all else fails.

Thanks Dom


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Re: Creative /etc/X11/xorg.conf

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 12:41 -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:

> Section "Files"

redundant

> Section "InputDevice"

redundant

> HorizSync   28.0 - 33.0
> VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0

Unlikely that this frequencies would be that high, that they literally
could blow up expensive monitor transistors ;). I suspect those settings
likely to be to low for most monitors and yes, perhaps this will cause
some errors.

Btw. I can't see anything cryptic in the xorg.conf you posted.

Currently there are a lot of changes for X upstream. because I use
different distros I again switched the graphics and regarding to the
distro I've got working and not working xorg.confs.

I would like to know a distro with a LTS version for X ;). Many distros
still support 2.6 kernels as LTS packages, but AFAIK no distro really
does support a LTS version for X. Yep, Arch for example does support
different repositories for X, but a user anyway can't simply mix the
regular repositories with those special X repositories without manually
fixing many issues.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM, lee  wrote:
> Wally Lepore  writes:
>
>> I just realized something important. When I set my Debian drive (sdb)
>> for partitioning, I used the 'Manual' setup and chose Logical Volume
>> Manager (LVM) non-encryption method.
>
> Do you really need LVM?

I have partitioned drives n the past (using windows). Not a big deal.
Easy enough for sure. LVM intrigued me and I wanted to learn. The
logical volumes can be size adjusted (if need be) all while the
computer is live! That's a good thing to have. That's all. :-).

>> Is this 'Review Partition Layout' screen (displayed for review before
>> writing to disks) the actual order of partitions on the Debian drive
>> (sdb)? or is it just a review window?
>
> How did you set up LVM, and what does fdisk -l say?


What is fdisk -1 ??  I'm new to all this Linux jargon. But learning fast!


>> In my case, if I tell the Debian installer to place the GRUB
>> boot-loader into   (hdd1,1)  or  /dev/sdb, will it place the GRUB
>> boot-loader in the  '/' (root partition) due to the fact that its
>> listed FIRST in the 'Review Partition Layout' screen?
>
> Did you install grub in a partition or into the MBR?  If you installed
> it in a partition, how can you boot from that?  The BIOS isn't aware of
> partitions, or is it?

I don't believe the BIOS has anything to do with partitions. GRUB has
everything to do with partitions. I was told GRUB will find the /boot
file or partition wherever its located on a targeted drive.

I installed GRUB into /dev/sdb (into my partition called /boot located
on the 2nd drive). The OS booted fine as long as I switched the boot
order in BIOS to boot the 2nd drive. Nothing was placed into the MBR
of the windows drive. I installed nothing to the windows drive.

Thank you Lee


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Re: Creative /etc/X11/xorg.conf

2012-10-15 Thread Slavko
Hi,

Dňa Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:41:53 -0500 Charles Kroeger
 napĆ­sal:

> By restoring my old /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to the fore, all was
> harmonious again. I did not post my own /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
> because of its humble appearance compared to this one created by
> nvidia-xconfig.

By my knowledge, the nvidia-config creates outdated xorg.conf a long
time ago and i never really used it for this, but only as inspiration (i
am using the different nvidia cards for some years on more computers):

In wheeze i have two files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory, with
these settings:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Layout0"
Screen   0 "Screen0" 0 0
Option "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Acer"
ModelName  "ACER X233H"
HorizSync   30.0 - 83.0
VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor1"
VendorName "Neovo"
ModelName  "Arnos Instruments F-417"
HorizSync   24.0 - 80.0
VertRefresh 49.0 - 75.0
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
Option "TwinView" "1"
Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"
Option "MetaModes" "CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1280+0, CRT-1: 
nvidia-auto-select +0+0; CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +0+0, CRT-1: NULL; CRT-0: 
NULL, CRT-1: nvidia-auto-select +0+0"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth  24
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
BoardName  "GeForce 210"
Option "NoLogo" "True"

# povoľuje rotÔciu
#Option "RandRRotation" "True"
EndSection

I am using the nvidia's TwinView for my two monitors and this
configuration is separated into 10-monitor.conf and 20-device.conf
file (not necessary).

This configuration is untouched from July 2011 (from ctimes).

regards

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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> Don't run a X session as root, this is a security risk.
>
> Yes, using a terminal emulation is correct, but
>
>> 1 | su root
>> 2 | gedit
>
> isn't ok.
>
> You can, but you don't need to add "root", but if you'll launch GUI
> stuff like Gedit, you often must use "su -".
>
> So correct is
>
> su -
> gedit
>
> usually in mails written like this
>
> $ su -
> # gedit
>
> alternatively you can run one command
>
> su -c gedit
>
>> I went to Applications --> Accessories --> Terminal (I assume this is
>> how to open a terminal)
>
> For example, you also could push the shortcut
>
> Ctrl + F2 (IOW hit the Ctrl-key and the F2-key simultaneously)
>
> to launch an app or add a launcher to a panel or the desktop.

Ok Ralf, I will try your suggestions. As soon as I figure how to
configure my system to log-in as root?


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Sunday 14 October 2012 16:20:48 Wally Lepore wrote:
>> The link starts off by suggesting I log in as user and then enter the
>> following initial command.
>>
>> 1 | su root
>> 2 | gedit
>>
>> I went to Applications --> Accessories --> Terminal (I assume this is
>> how to open a terminal)  and was presented with  terminal window that
>> said:
>>
>> myname@systemname:~$ (blinking cursor)
>>
>> Is this where I'm suppose to be at?
>
> Yes, and you don't need to say
> su root.
> Just
> su
> is enough.
> Debian by default does not allow booting into a GUI as root.

Ok, but now I'm back to square #1. How and where do I log-in as 'root'
on my newly installed Debian distro?

> But I prefer (mutatis mutandis, I use KDE3):
> alt-F2
> gksu gedit
> enter password when asked.
> ( I actually do: alt-F2, kdesu kwrite)

I'm lost !  I'm running the GNOME desktop.

Thank you Lisi


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Go Linux  wrote:
> --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>
>> From: Ralf Mardorf 
>> Subject: Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives
>> To: "debian-user" 
>> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:24 PM
>
>>
>> alternatively you can run one command
>>
>> su -c gedit
>>
>
> How about gksu gedit ?

Sounds good but how do I log into root?


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 21:36 +0100, Lisi wrote:
>> su
>> is enough.
>
> No, it should be
>
> su -
>
>> alt-F2
>> gksu gedit
>
> That's good
>
> gksu app
>
> my recommendation
>
> su -c app
>
> isn't good.

Ok, I will apply when I log into 'root'.

Thanks Ralf


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 13:39 -0700, Go Linux wrote:
>> --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>>
>> > From: Ralf Mardorf 
>> > Subject: Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives
>> > To: "debian-user" 
>> > Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 3:24 PM
>>
>> >
>> > alternatively you can run one command
>> >
>> > su -c gedit
>> >
>>
>> How about gksu gedit ?
>
> I agree, that's better, or kdesu, as Lina already mentioned.

Ok, will give it a try

Thank you


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OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:51 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Hi Lisi, Brian, Lee, Joe, Neal, Dom, and Ralf, [snip]

Since you've got knowledge about computers, it will be easy for you to
switch to Linux. You should take a look at "shell globbing" and take a
look at some beginners guide for "shell scripts". To handle Debian
packages by a GUI I recommend to use Synaptic.

There are three easy to remember shell commands that are very helpful:

top
killall -9 NAME_OF_AN_APPLICATION
hwinfo

Instead of top there are derivatives of top you might prefer and instead
of hwinfo there are different other useful commands, but IMO top and
hwinfo are very helpful for a beginner, I'm still using them today.
killall -9, perhaps with some additional switches is a command that's
important for every user.

Assumed something wicked does happen, run top, it might show you what
happens. If there for example is a process busy, can't be stopped
anymore, a killall -9 NAME most of the times will finish it.

hwinfo gives information about hardware.

You also should take a look at "common linux shortcuts" some are equal
to Windows others are for Linux only.

COMMAND_NAME -h or --help

and

man COMMAND_NAME

does show information, but can be cryptic for beginners. Getting good
results for Internet investigations and understanding --help and
man(pages) given time will become easy for you too.

You should find an editor you like, that can be used without a GUI. IMO
the easiest editor is mcedit, I was a vi(m) user in the past, but
switched to mcedit a while ago.

Regards,
Ralf


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Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I won't confuse you Wally, or spread FUD, using the default GRUB seems
to be the best way for a beginner, because it's the default boot loader
for most distros.

Personally I prefer GRUB legacy, the outdated, completely different
predecessor of the current GRUB. IMO it's much easier to use. Many
experienced users didn't switch back to GRUB legacy, as I did, but
switched to Syslinux.

You shouldn't take care about other bootloaders at the moment. If you
should stay with Linux, you might have needs that make your live easier,
if you're using another bootloader in the future.


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Re: OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:51 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>> Hi Lisi, Brian, Lee, Joe, Neal, Dom, and Ralf, [snip]
>
> Since you've got knowledge about computers, it will be easy for you to
> switch to Linux. You should take a look at "shell globbing" and take a
> look at some beginners guide for "shell scripts". To handle Debian
> packages by a GUI I recommend to use Synaptic.
>
> There are three easy to remember shell commands that are very helpful:
>
> top
> killall -9 NAME_OF_AN_APPLICATION
> hwinfo
>
> Instead of top there are derivatives of top you might prefer and instead
> of hwinfo there are different other useful commands, but IMO top and
> hwinfo are very helpful for a beginner, I'm still using them today.
> killall -9, perhaps with some additional switches is a command that's
> important for every user.
>
> Assumed something wicked does happen, run top, it might show you what
> happens. If there for example is a process busy, can't be stopped
> anymore, a killall -9 NAME most of the times will finish it.
>
> hwinfo gives information about hardware.
>
> You also should take a look at "common linux shortcuts" some are equal
> to Windows others are for Linux only.
>
> COMMAND_NAME -h or --help
>
> and
>
> man COMMAND_NAME
>
> does show information, but can be cryptic for beginners. Getting good
> results for Internet investigations and understanding --help and
> man(pages) given time will become easy for you too.
>
> You should find an editor you like, that can be used without a GUI. IMO
> the easiest editor is mcedit, I was a vi(m) user in the past, but
> switched to mcedit a while ago.
Hi Ralf,

That was very useful. Thank you very much. But I'm still stuck on
where to start. Are you saying that all these commands are used
strictly in "Terminal"?

Also, I'm still searching for how to log in as 'root' to fix my GRUB
menu boot. Grub is not recognizing my windows 2000 drive in a
dual-boot configuration set-up.

Thank you


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> I won't confuse you Wally, or spread FUD, using the default GRUB seems
> to be the best way for a beginner, because it's the default boot loader
> for most distros.
>
> Personally I prefer GRUB legacy, the outdated, completely different
> predecessor of the current GRUB. IMO it's much easier to use. Many
> experienced users didn't switch back to GRUB legacy, as I did, but
> switched to Syslinux.
>
> You shouldn't take care about other bootloaders at the moment. If you
> should stay with Linux, you might have needs that make your live easier,
> if you're using another bootloader in the future.

Hi Ralf,

That's good to know. Thank you. You are very helpful. I will stay with
Linux (of course). I'm just trying to find my way around as a
beginner. I'm not looking to upgrade to anything right now although
your background supplied on GRUB was very interesting to read and
understand.

I'm just looking to learn the tools that installed with the debian
distro. After I master them then I will consider moving on to other
tools, desktops whatever (if it ever decide). But that's way off in
the future ;-)

Appreciate the concern and help.

Be well
Wally


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Lisi
On Monday 15 October 2012 20:11:06 Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Dom  wrote:
> > You might need to install the os-prober package first. Grub2 uses that to
> > identify other OSes on your system.
>
> I haven't installed any pkgs. yet. But will consider that if all else
> fails.

No, Wally.  Not "if all else fails".  As I understand it, you actually need 
this package to do what you want to do.  So grit your teeth and do it.  As I 
said, I am no expert on GRUB 2, but nor are you.  We just have to take the 
advice of those who know.  Incidentally, Legacy GRUB and GRUB 1 are the same 
thing.

I know that Lee thinks that I ought to be ashamed of myself for saying it, but 
I really do think that you need to grip the bull by the horns, and just do 
it.  At the worst, you have to reinstall.  Most of us had to do several 
reinstalls during the learning process.  (And are still learning, and still 
make mistakes, and still sometimes have to reinstall as being the easiest way 
out of the mess.)

So - courage!  What have oyu got to lose?

Lisi
PS It would really be much easier if you just replied to the list, rather than 
to the list and to all of us separately.  It makes replying easier.  It is 
also what the Debian list askes for in its code of practice.


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 15:22 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM, lee  wrote:
> > Wally Lepore  writes:
> >
> >> I just realized something important. When I set my Debian drive (sdb)
> >> for partitioning, I used the 'Manual' setup and chose Logical Volume
> >> Manager (LVM) non-encryption method.
> >
> > Do you really need LVM?
> 
> I have partitioned drives n the past (using windows). Not a big deal.
> Easy enough for sure. LVM intrigued me and I wanted to learn. The
> logical volumes can be size adjusted (if need be) all while the
> computer is live! That's a good thing to have. That's all. :-).

I learned to use LVM on a virtual machine and I never ever will use it
outside a virtual machine.

I don't see any advantage using LVM, but tons of drawbacks.


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Lisi


On Monday 15 October 2012 20:25:54 Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>
>  wrote:
> > Don't run a X session as root, this is a security risk.
> >
> > Yes, using a terminal emulation is correct, but
> >
> >> 1 | su root
> >> 2 | gedit
> >
> > isn't ok.
> >
> > You can, but you don't need to add "root", but if you'll launch GUI
> > stuff like Gedit, you often must use "su -".
> >
> > So correct is
> >
> > su -
> > gedit
> >
> > usually in mails written like this
> >
> > $ su -
> > # gedit
> >
> > alternatively you can run one command
> >
> > su -c gedit
> >
> >> I went to Applications --> Accessories --> Terminal (I assume this is
> >> how to open a terminal)
> >
> > For example, you also could push the shortcut
> >
> > Ctrl + F2 (IOW hit the Ctrl-key and the F2-key simultaneously)
> >
> > to launch an app or add a launcher to a panel or the desktop.
>
> Ok Ralf, I will try your suggestions. As soon as I figure how to
> configure my system to log-in as root?

Wally, the email to which you are replying tells you what to do.  I'll repeat, 
but this is also the second time that I have told you, and several other 
people have told you as well.  Just read the email above.  It tells you.  But 
my preferred method is, FROM A GUI INTO WHICH YOU HAVE LOGGED AS YOUR NORMAL 
USER, do:
alt+F2  (i.e. hold down alt, and while doing so press F2, then immediately let 
both go.)
then type 
gksu gedit
then enter the password when asked.

BUT PLEASE WALLY, stop going on about logging in as root.  If you are 
determined to log in as root in a default Debian, you will have to choose 
single user mode in GRUB and log in from there.  That will land you at the 
command line.  Log in as root.  You will still be at the command line.  

From what people are saying you can expect to have gedit, and to be able to 
launch it from there.  

But if you want to run as root from/in a GUI, you have to use either the 
launcher or the command line as has been frequently suggested.  Until you 
agree to do that, and you do know how to get a terminal, and you have been 
told how to use it, but until you agree to do that, and stop fussing about 
logging in as root, you will get no-where and we cannot help you.

My husband says, why do I spend my time telling you again.  My answer was that 
I get a lot of help myself.  But his inferred suggestion is, I'm afraid, 
right.  I can't keep telling you the same thing over again.

Good luck!
Lisi


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 15:25 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Ok Ralf, I will try your suggestions. As soon as I figure how to
> configure my system to log-in as root?

Don't configure your WM/DE to allow you to log in as root. You don't
need this. You only need to be root in a terminal sometimes.

I made a strange test on another Linux:

[spinymouse@archlinux src]$ kdesu thunar
[spinymouse@archlinux src]$ su -c thunar
[spinymouse@archlinux src]$ sudo thunar

Thunar is a GUI file browser. On your system nautilus might be the
default file browser and perhaps kdesu and sudo won't work, but perhaps
gksu natilus and su -c nautilus will work too. FWIW Thunar opens with a
warning, that it's dangerous to use a file browser as root. But it's
still better than to run a complete WM/DE session as root. Since you're
from Windows, perhaps mc is familiar to you. It's similar to Norton
Commander.

If you really won't use command line commands in a terminal emulation as
root, than at least "ncurses" might be something that fit to your needs.


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Re: OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Linux-Fan
On 10/15/2012 10:25 PM, Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:51 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>>> Hi Lisi, Brian, Lee, Joe, Neal, Dom, and Ralf, [snip]
>>
>> Since you've got knowledge about computers, it will be easy for you to
>> switch to Linux. You should take a look at "shell globbing" and take a
>> look at some beginners guide for "shell scripts". To handle Debian
>> packages by a GUI I recommend to use Synaptic.
>>
>> There are three easy to remember shell commands that are very helpful:
>>
>> top
>> killall -9 NAME_OF_AN_APPLICATION
>> hwinfo
>>
>> Instead of top there are derivatives of top you might prefer and instead
>> of hwinfo there are different other useful commands, but IMO top and
>> hwinfo are very helpful for a beginner, I'm still using them today.
>> killall -9, perhaps with some additional switches is a command that's
>> important for every user.
>>
>> Assumed something wicked does happen, run top, it might show you what
>> happens. If there for example is a process busy, can't be stopped
>> anymore, a killall -9 NAME most of the times will finish it.
>>
>> hwinfo gives information about hardware.
>>
>> You also should take a look at "common linux shortcuts" some are equal
>> to Windows others are for Linux only.
>>
>> COMMAND_NAME -h or --help
>>
>> and
>>
>> man COMMAND_NAME
>>
>> does show information, but can be cryptic for beginners. Getting good
>> results for Internet investigations and understanding --help and
>> man(pages) given time will become easy for you too.
>>
>> You should find an editor you like, that can be used without a GUI. IMO
>> the easiest editor is mcedit, I was a vi(m) user in the past, but
>> switched to mcedit a while ago.
> Hi Ralf,
> 
> That was very useful. Thank you very much. But I'm still stuck on
> where to start. Are you saying that all these commands are used
> strictly in "Terminal"?
> 
> Also, I'm still searching for how to log in as 'root' to fix my GRUB
> menu boot. Grub is not recognizing my windows 2000 drive in a
> dual-boot configuration set-up.
> 
> Thank you

On Linux you actually almost NEVER need to log-in as root. Instead you
open a terminal with your GUI (while being logged in as normal user) and
then BECOME root by issuing "su" and entering your root password. The
shell will then be a "root-shell" -- all commands you enter there will
automatically be executed as root.

All of the commands suggested and the "fdisk -l" are to be entered in a
terminal. Some of these (like fdisk -l) need you to be root in order to
work correctly. (On my system fidsk -l as non-root does not prodocue any
output).

If you really want to log in as root (although it is not required,
especially in your case) you can go to a virtual terminal via
[CTRL]-[ALT]-[F2] and log in for a command-line only session (you may
return to your graphical environment via [CTRL]-[ALT]-[F7]).

But most of this has already been suggested... you only need to find it
in the various mails you got for reply.


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 15:32 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Sounds good but how do I log into root?

Open a terminal emulation, use the menu to do it, you already found out
how to do this.

It will look similar to this:

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$

Then type su - and push enter

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ su -
Password:

You will be asked for the "admin" password. Type the password and hit
enter.

[root@archlinux ~]#

On a default Debian the prompt "$" is for a user and "#" for root, on
Arch it's the same just the [ ] differs to Debian. On Suse for example
the prompt for the user by default is ">".

Or else ...

If you push the Ctrl-key, Alt-key and F1-key at the same time you get a
real console. Then you need to type "root" and enter, and then you'll be
asked to type the password followed by enter. Ctrl-key, Alt-key and
F7-key will bring you back to X (your WM/DE).



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Re: OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 16:25 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Are you saying that all these commands are used
> strictly in "Terminal"?

For the moment my answer is YES to avoid confusion.




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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Monday 15 October 2012 20:11:06 Wally Lepore wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Dom  wrote:
>> > You might need to install the os-prober package first. Grub2 uses that to
>> > identify other OSes on your system.
>>
>> I haven't installed any pkgs. yet. But will consider that if all else
>> fails.
>
> No, Wally.  Not "if all else fails".  As I understand it, you actually need
> this package to do what you want to do.  So grit your teeth and do it.  As I
> said, I am no expert on GRUB 2, but nor are you.  We just have to take the
> advice of those who know.  Incidentally, Legacy GRUB and GRUB 1 are the same
> thing.

Ok no problem. I'll install the package. I just wanted to be sure if
that -in fact- was the ground-level-start for the fix.

> I know that Lee thinks that I ought to be ashamed of myself for saying it, but
> I really do think that you need to grip the bull by the horns, and just do
> it.  At the worst, you have to reinstall.  Most of us had to do several
> reinstalls during the learning process.  (And are still learning, and still
> make mistakes, and still sometimes have to reinstall as being the easiest way
> out of the mess.)

Hi Lisi,

I totally understand. Not a big deal. No need to explain. I understood
your helpful intentions from the beginning. I read everyone's
suggestions and learn what I can. You offered excellent advice as well
as Lee. Its all subjectiveeveryone has a different opinion on how
to arrive at the same destination.

I've installed win2k numerous times. I knew -all along- that in order
to fix an issue, its -at times- quicker just to reinstall. Been there
done it! I can do a windows re-install standing upside down. It's easy
only because I've accomplished it multiple times. Installing Debian's
base OS via the netinst file is a snap now that I've done it as well.
I can re-install if I have to without any issues.

I can create LVM partitions again if I have to. Sure I had to study it
for two days before I had the courage but with the help of an online
tutorial and other links it was successful. Not a "snap" but
successful. I could do it again if need be. :-)

> So - courage!  What have oyu got to lose?

Nothing!

I don't think I need to re-install at this point though. My problem is
not that drastic. Like i said earlier, i can still boot either OS via
setting the preferred drive to boot in BIOS. Yes its an extra step
before loading any particular OS but until I discover how to dual boot
using GRUB, its enter BIOS first before boot. If I have to re-install
to fix the GRUB issue (if its a GRUB issue) then perhaps later. :-)

Thanks Lisi


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Assumed that you are not blind, perhaps a YouTube video will help you to
learn faste, resp. it might better explain how to e.g. become root in a
terminal emulation.


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 15:22 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:12 AM, lee  wrote:
>> > Wally Lepore  writes:
>> >
>> >> I just realized something important. When I set my Debian drive (sdb)
>> >> for partitioning, I used the 'Manual' setup and chose Logical Volume
>> >> Manager (LVM) non-encryption method.
>> >
>> > Do you really need LVM?
>>
>> I have partitioned drives n the past (using windows). Not a big deal.
>> Easy enough for sure. LVM intrigued me and I wanted to learn. The
>> logical volumes can be size adjusted (if need be) all while the
>> computer is live! That's a good thing to have. That's all. :-).
>
> I learned to use LVM on a virtual machine and I never ever will use it
> outside a virtual machine.

Why Ralf?

> I don't see any advantage using LVM, but tons of drawbacks.

What are the drawbacks? Any links? I can google this i'm sure but I've
read all good things about LVM. I have no experience thus I can't
really give an opinion either way. I'm just beginning to work with it.

Thank Ralf


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> Assumed that you are not blind, perhaps a YouTube video will help you to
> learn faste, resp. it might better explain how to e.g. become root in a
> terminal emulation.
>

Yes, I will search youtube. Thank you


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 21:57 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> My husband says, why do I spend my time telling you again.  My answer
> was that I get a lot of help myself.  But his inferred suggestion is,
> I'm afraid, right.  I can't keep telling you the same thing over
> again.

A video might be the best help. Unfortunately I couldn't find a good
video for Debian in English. 


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Lisi  wrote:
>
> PS It would really be much easier if you just replied to the list, rather than
> to the list and to all of us separately.  It makes replying easier.  It is
> also what the Debian list askes for in its code of practice.

Ok got it. I understand. Thank you


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 17:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> > Assumed that you are not blind, perhaps a YouTube video will help you to
> > learn faste, resp. it might better explain how to e.g. become root in a
> > terminal emulation.
> >
> 
> Yes, I will search youtube. Thank you

Please watch a video and then let's try to solve your GRUB issue. We
shouldn't discuss LVM yet. Apologize that I mentioned that.



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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Lisi  wrote:
>
>
> On Monday 15 October 2012 20:25:54 Wally Lepore wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Don't run a X session as root, this is a security risk.
>> >
>> > Yes, using a terminal emulation is correct, but
>> >
>> >> 1 | su root
>> >> 2 | gedit
>> >
>> > isn't ok.
>> >
>> > You can, but you don't need to add "root", but if you'll launch GUI
>> > stuff like Gedit, you often must use "su -".
>> >
>> > So correct is
>> >
>> > su -
>> > gedit
>> >
>> > usually in mails written like this
>> >
>> > $ su -
>> > # gedit
>> >
>> > alternatively you can run one command
>> >
>> > su -c gedit
>> >
>> >> I went to Applications --> Accessories --> Terminal (I assume this is
>> >> how to open a terminal)
>> >
>> > For example, you also could push the shortcut
>> >
>> > Ctrl + F2 (IOW hit the Ctrl-key and the F2-key simultaneously)
>> >
>> > to launch an app or add a launcher to a panel or the desktop.
>>
>> Ok Ralf, I will try your suggestions. As soon as I figure how to
>> configure my system to log-in as root?
>
> Wally, the email to which you are replying tells you what to do.  I'll repeat,
> but this is also the second time that I have told you, and several other
> people have told you as well.  Just read the email above.  It tells you.  But
> my preferred method is, FROM A GUI INTO WHICH YOU HAVE LOGGED AS YOUR NORMAL
> USER, do:
> alt+F2  (i.e. hold down alt, and while doing so press F2, then immediately let
> both go.)
> then type
> gksu gedit
> then enter the password when asked.
>
> BUT PLEASE WALLY, stop going on about logging in as root.  If you are
> determined to log in as root in a default Debian, you will have to choose
> single user mode in GRUB and log in from there.  That will land you at the
> command line.  Log in as root.  You will still be at the command line.
>
> From what people are saying you can expect to have gedit, and to be able to
> launch it from there.
>
> But if you want to run as root from/in a GUI, you have to use either the
> launcher or the command line as has been frequently suggested.  Until you
> agree to do that, and you do know how to get a terminal, and you have been
> told how to use it, but until you agree to do that, and stop fussing about
> logging in as root, you will get no-where and we cannot help you.
>
> My husband says, why do I spend my time telling you again.  My answer was that
> I get a lot of help myself.  But his inferred suggestion is, I'm afraid,
> right.  I can't keep telling you the same thing over again.

I didn't understand the abbreviated instructions. I apologize. Most
times the very helpful suggestions assume I'm fluent in the terminal.

Heck, I feel I've mastered windows to a respectable degree but getting
dropped in the seat of Linux is like a crash course in flying the
space shuttle! Whole different ball game.

I really needed a walk-thru like your instructions above. Now I
understand better and will spend time applying your instructions.

For example, when I read helpful suggestions such as:

Type this

1 | su root
2 | gedit

I don't understand. What is the 1 and the 2 for? Do I have to type
that in as well? And I still haven't discovered if I have to clear out
the cryptic message that appears in terminal when I open it before
typing anything. please.

Trust me, I dig and dig before asking newbie questions -believe me-.
'Google is your friend' and I use it wisely before asking questions
but sometimes the most obvious answer to some of the most basic
questions can be frustrating to find. Or perhaps I just don't know
where to look.

Also I was just trying to respond to everyone's reply. I try and 'not
let' any posts go unanswered.

I'll try your suggestion. It was a long day.

I think I need a break.

Thank you for helping Lisi


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Neal Murphy
On Monday, October 15, 2012 05:19:29 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Assumed that you are not blind, perhaps a YouTube video will help you to
> learn faste, resp. it might better explain how to e.g. become root in a
> terminal emulation.

Or, perhaps, a simple list of ways to become root without any clutter.

Log in as root on a console, and return to the GUI:
  Type  through  to get to a console
  Log in as root
  Log out (typically using  or exit)
  Type  to return to your GUI. (It usually runs on virt.
cons. 7, but sometimes on VC6 or VC8).

Become root in the current directory:
  su
  su root
  sudo su
  sudo su root
  sudo /bin/bash

Execute a command as root:
  su -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"
  su root -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"
  sudo /sbin/sbin-command with options and args
  sudo -u root /sbin/sbin-command with options and args

Become root as though root had logged in on the terminal (or text console);
this give you root's PATH and other ENV settings and puts you in root's home 
dir:
  su -
  su - root
  sudo su -
  sudo su - root
  sudo /bin/bash -l   # Except this one leaves you in the current dir

Execute a command in root's environment:
  su - -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"
  su - root -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"
  sudo su - -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"
  sudo su - root -c "/sbin/sbin-command with options and args"

Notes:
  - Su will always ask for the target user's password unless you are
already root.
  - Sudo (on most modern GNU/Linux dostros) will ask for the user's
password instead of root's password.
  - Having su run a command (or having sudo run a command other than su)
can be insecure (but it is not necessarily so)
  - Some distros will install only sudo by default.

For security purposes (partly because the X11 protocols can be insecure), most 
GNU/Linux distros do not allow root to log in to the GUI.

To learn more, 'man su', 'man sudo', and/or 'man bash'.


Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
We did confuse you with some explanations and I won't continue it.

Can you open a terminal emulation?

If so, let's continue step by step. 

Once you're familiar with Linux, you can allow a user to execute
something in a safe way, that normally only can be executed by root. I
suspect that a default Debian install already does use a software called
PolicyKit to e.g. allow a user to handle Internet connections.


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 17:52 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> Also I was just trying to respond to everyone's reply.

You don't need to do that.


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 17:24 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>>  wrote:
>> > Assumed that you are not blind, perhaps a YouTube video will help you to
>> > learn faste, resp. it might better explain how to e.g. become root in a
>> > terminal emulation.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, I will search youtube. Thank you
>
> Please watch a video and then let's try to solve your GRUB issue. We
> shouldn't discuss LVM yet. Apologize that I mentioned that.


No problem Ralf. Your suggestion is a good idea.
Thank you


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
@Neal (really at Neal, not at Wally): We already confused Wally. Let's
avoid sudo, since sudo can be set up in various ways and IIRC a default
Debian comes without sudo.

At the moment it's only important to explain that we don't login as root
by a display manager, in the OP's case it for sure is GDM. I guess on
Windows it's possible to log in as admin or user.

The OP needs to understand that we open a terminal emulation and then
run a command, let's reduce it to "su" and/or "su -" to become root for
the commands that we use with this terminal emulation.

Ctrl+Alt+Fx is also not good. We should explain, step by step to use a
terminal emulation. The OP perhaps want to be able to copy a command
from an Internet browser to the terminal emulation. Ctrl+Alt+Fx isn't
useful for this usage. Apropos copy and paste not only when using a
terminal emulation ... we shouldn't overcharge the OP with all kinds off
shortcuts, but explain to use menus and right click.

For the terminal, we should explain the tab key.


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Wally, are you familiar with MS DOS or DR DOS commands?


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf

> Wally, are you familiar with MS DOS or DR DOS commands?

PS: Or have you ever used a QL, C64 or similar computer?



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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Brian
On Mon 15 Oct 2012 at 14:59:21 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

> My system won't let me log in as root.

It will - you are just not talking to it nicely. And not acting on the
good advice given already.

Lisi has the advice to use CTRL-ALT-F1. This will take you to a virtual
terminal. Type "root" at the prompt and give the root password you set
up during the install.

> I'm just learning to navigate the desktop. Where do I type
> update-grub? I understand that Linux distro's utilize what's called a
> "terminal". I believe I found the terminal under. Applications-->
> Accessories--> Terminal. Is this correct or is there another location
> please?
> 
> If it is the correct location, then as soon as the terminal opens, I'm
> presented with:
> 
> [my-name]@[network-computer-name]:~$ (blinking cursor)
> 
> I know I can go to the menu in terminal under.Terminal-->Reset and
> Clear and it will just give me a terminal window with a blinking
> cursor.

The "$" tells you you an ordinary user. No special privileges. You can
destroy anything in your home directory but the system files are safe
and inviolable. Which is as nature intended,

At that blinking cursor type

   whoami

and press enter. There you are, the answer is you are a nobody. Good
enough to use the system but definitely not a user with any power or
influence.

Now type

   man su

and, at the very least, read the first two sentences in the DESCRIPTION
section.

Now type

   su

and give the root password.

Type 'whoami' again. You have now assumed the identity of the superuser,
which is root's Sunday name. Want to wipe out a few accounts of users
you dislike, or read their mail? Want to cripple the system? You are set
up to do it.

But you won't. You are responsible. Logging in as the superuser from a
virtual terminal or changing your identity is only ever done to
administrate the machine: update packages, install new packages, edit a
system file, etc.
 
> What next please?

Try not to make any mistakes as root.


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> Wally, are you familiar with MS DOS or DR DOS commands?
>

Hi Ralf,

Yes but only the most basic. As I started on this whole linux
adventure I dusted off my DOS 6.0 / 6.2 books that have been sitting
on my book shelf since the mid 1990's. I had to re-learn some commands
because about a month ago I wanted to first learn how to verify the
Debain netinst file using MD5SUM and SHA-1 in console mode.

I could down load programs all day long to have file verification done
automatically for me in windows but I wanted to learn it in console
mode since most Linux work accomplished in console, terminal, command
prompt or whatever else it may be called.

It was a struggle initially but I learned. It was my first real
progress with certain things that needed to be done with Linux. I had
no idea that files needed to be verified before burning to CD. Then
again, I never downloaded a 700 MB file. I eventually learned about
the whole process. Thus my Debian netinst file was verified.

Ubuntu was my first attempt at installing Linux. It never loaded. Long
story. The liveCD worked fine on my system but someone eventually
suggested I try a different distro. I had no idea what "distro" even
referred to at the time. Had to learn it all. I was floored when I
visited wikipedia's page titled "Linux Distribution". There is a chart
on that page that shows all the distos that fork off the three main
dsitributions (Debian, Fedora and Slackware). There were many
distributions to choose from. Just amazing!

I soon discovered (after intense study) that objective was best served
with Debian. The support and available tools and packages are amazing.
Also I prefer to learn Linux from a developer/programmers perspective
thus my objective is somewhat different than most.

To answer your question, yes, I am familiar with some DOS commands and
have access to many books on the subject.

Thanks Ralf


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Brian
On Mon 15 Oct 2012 at 17:17:42 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> >
> > No, Wally.  Not "if all else fails".  As I understand it, you actually need
> > this package to do what you want to do.  So grit your teeth and do it.  As I
> > said, I am no expert on GRUB 2, but nor are you.  We just have to take the
> > advice of those who know.  Incidentally, Legacy GRUB and GRUB 1 are the same
> > thing.
> 
> Ok no problem. I'll install the package. I just wanted to be sure if
> that -in fact- was the ground-level-start for the fix.

I'd say it is a certainty you already have os-prober on the system
because the install pulls it in together with the grub-common package.
The command is in /usr/bin. Check. You have discovered the terminal with
its flashing cursor so type

   ls -l /usr/bin/os-prober

If you get no output, my first statement is incorrect.

Want to know what happens when os-prober is run? It is in your PATH.
Type

   os-prober

and press enter. If it doesn't pick up your Windows installation it
probably isn't worth doing 'update-grub' because this command uses the
output of os-prober.


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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Wally Lepore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
>
>> Wally, are you familiar with MS DOS or DR DOS commands?
>
> PS: Or have you ever used a QL, C64 or similar computer?

I have no idea what QL, or a C64 is prior to googling.

Is this QL ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_QL
http://www.rwapadventures.com/ql_wiki/

C64 ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64

I've been in the banking and investment industry since 1985 and have
used terminals that contained either database info or live stock
quotes. Other than that, I've been on windows ever since 3.1 hit the
market.

Why the question please?


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Dymo 450 ejects label on login

2012-10-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
The issue is as above:  new machine running xfce4 desktop, with two
printers attached.  One of them is an Epson Workforce 645, the other is
a Dymo 450 label printer.  The Epson is, of course, the default printer
on the system.

When I log in to the desktop, the Dymo ejects one blank label.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread Stephen J. Mazurek
I used Debian Linux for a number of years.  I recently got a new HP
computer running Windows 7, which gave me minimal problems, aside from
annoyances (Microrsoft is very good at being annoying.)  Anyway, I expect
to return to Linux very soon (not Debian, but Aptosid, since it's more up
to date.)  I have a high speed connection but I will be starting from a CD.
 Do you have any suggestions?

--Stephen Mazurek

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Charles Kroeger <
ckro...@frankensteinface.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:50:02 +0200
> Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> > Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed
> > internet connection.
>
> Back in the day I used to download a version of Debian over a 56K modem
> (that rarely
> achieved those speeds) I used to set it to downloading around midnight and
> get up
> the next morning and it was usually finished or almost and if it had
> stopped in the
> night I just restarted at that point, but it did get done and the ISP
> didn't
> complain.
>
> Of course I don't know what kind of data transfer restrictions you may be
> subject to
> if any but patience is still free.
>
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doc resources

2012-10-15 Thread james gray
are the files and one directory in

/usr/share/doc/aptitude

available online.

at this time.
with the limited resources available.
i am not able to print out the material.

what would be the online address to read and print this material,
information, docs, readme information.

thank you.


A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Paul E Condon
I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I
have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian
desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years,
but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock. Until a few weeks ago,
they always displayed the same time, once I had correctly installed
the chrony or the ntp package. But some time recently they started
disagreeing by about 18 seconds with Debian/Squeeze running ahead, yes
ahead, of the Atomic Clock which is supposedly getting its signal by
radio direclty from the NIST transmitter. How can this be I've
reinstalled the software, but that didn't change the behavior, except
for a brief period when the local computer clock resynchoronized with
the time server pool. There's nothing remarkable about my hardware.
An aging dual core pentium, marketed by HP and running Squeeze with
Gnome desktop. Ideas?

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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Joe Zien

Wally Lepore wrote:

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Joe Zien  wrote:

Wally Lepore wrote:

Hi Debain Users,

I'm at the final stages of Installing NOT Ubuntu but  Debian 'Squeeze'
on my dual-boot system. Windows is installed on the 1st hard drive
(/dev/sda) and Debian will be installed on the 2nd hard drive
(/dev/sdb).

The installer is asking me where I want Grub installed. It says:

*BEGIN*
The following other operating systems have been detected on this
computer: Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional

If all of your operating systems are listed above, then it should be
safe to install the boot loader to the master boot record of your
first hard drive.

When your computer boots, you will be able to choose
to load one of these operating systems or your new system. Install the
GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? No  or  Yes ?
*END*

This is the make it or break it point! Debian is installed on my 2nd
drive (/dev/sdb) NOT the 1st drive (/dev/sda). I also created a
partition on the Debian drive (/dev/sdb) called  "/boot". GRUB was to
be installed at this /boot location and then I would go into BIOS
after install and switch the boot order to boot the Debian drive
(/dev/sdb). This would then present the menu for which OS I would like
to boot (Windows or Debian).

If I choose NO to the installer's question as to placing GRUB in the
MBR of the 1st drive. What are my choices as to where to install it? I
don't want to answer "NO" to the question only to advance the
installer to a dead end. I have no idea what may happen next if I
answer NO. Any ideas or suggestions please?

Thank you



Hi Wally,

I use mepis 11, a debian distro,  as my default with grub legacy
in the MBR.
I boot all distros that use grub2 by adding the following example
using grub legacy menu.lst:

title Debian 6.0 GNU/Linux, at sdb21 (core.img) with Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64
root (hd1,20)
kernel /boot/grub/core.img
savedefault
boot

How do I get into BRUB's menu.Ist: ?

grub2 doesn't use menu.lst




This works for me every time.
Most grub2 distros put grub2 in the MBR and all I have to do
is re-install grub legacy for mepis 11 to the MBR and add the new grub2
distro
as above

But I'm not using "two" linux distro's. I'm using a dual boot with
windows 2000 and Debian Squeeze. Windows in a dual boot with a Linux
distro is not as easy.

Thank you Joe


debian squeeze does not use grub legacy.
I would suggest you try mepis 11  and install grub legacy in the MBR.
It would automatically create menu.lst in /boot/grub and add all 
operating systems

in menu.lst.

jozien


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Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes:
> Ideas?

Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
commands.
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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 18:58 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> I am familiar with some DOS commands

The commands are simmilar, e.g.

DOS | LINUX
+--
CD  | cd
MD  | mkdir

The Linux terminal can help you, when using the Tab-key.
Just type a character or some characters and then the Tab-key.

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ m
Display all 214 possibilities? (y or n)
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ md
md5pass md5sum  mdadm   mdassemble  mdelmdeltree
mdirmdmon   mdu
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ mk
mk_cmds   mkdfa.pl  mkfs  mkfs.jfs
mkinitcpiomkswap
mk_isdnhwdb   mkdir mkfs.bfs  mkfs.minix
mkisofs   mktemp
mkbingram mkdiskimage   mkfs.btrfsmkfs.nilfs2
mklost+found  mkzonedb
mkbinhmm  mke2fsmkfs.cramfs   mkfs.reiserfs
mkmanifest
mkbinhmmexe   mkfa  mkfs.ext2 mkfs.xfs
mknod 
mkbinhmmlist  mkfifomkfs.ext3 mkgshmm
mkreiserfs
mkbinhmmlistexe   mkfontdir mkfs.ext4 mkhomedir_helper
mkrfc2734 
mkcp  mkfontscale   mkfs.ext4dev  mkhybrid
mkss

The Tab-key also auto-complete passes.

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /usr/src/
#linux-rt/qtractor/
adhoc
qtractor_de.ts.bak-1
google-earth/
qtractor_de.ts.bak-2
julius/
qtractor_de.ts.bak-empty
ld-lsb/
rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1012.2009.tar.gz
linux-3.4.11-rt19-1-rt/
rtl8712_8188_8191_8192SU_usb_linux_v2.6.6.0.20110401/
linux-3.6.2-1-ARCH/   set-archlinux-1
linux-rt.tar.gz   simon/
menulibre/vboxhost-4.2.0/
muse2/
virtualbox-ext-oracle/
newlan.tar.gz virtualbox-hook/
pulseaudio-dummy/ xaralx/
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /usr/src/mu

+ Tab =

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /usr/src/muse2/





You can add aliases to a file in your home folder, on Suse I added

alias cpu-o="su -c\"cpufreq-set -gondemand\""
alias cpu-p="su -c\"cpufreq-set -gperformance\""

it's also possible to name Linux commands by aliases like DOS commands.


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Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories

2012-10-15 Thread songbird
Richard Owlett wrote:

> Not all of us have convenient access to a high speed 
> internet connection.

  yep, same here, Dialup...  which is a real
step down from DSL.


> I can have limited access to "high" speed access by carrying 
> one of my laptops to the local library. I don't find 
> downloading more than a live-CD feasible due to bandwidth 
> limits they set to provide maximum usage for maximum number 
> of users.

  i take the USB stick to the library and
that is much easier to download and change
than burning CDs.


> Even the live-CD doesn't give me a functioning system as it 
> does not include a dialer for an analog modem. I solved 
> _*MY*_ problem by purchasing the 8 DVD set of install disks.

  that is what i did when i needed to start from
scratch again.  once i was installed and working
then i've been following testing since using the
modem most of the time and only going into the library
with the USB stick for the really large files (over 
32Mb).

  otherwise i fire it up later when people won't
complain so much about not being able to call and
let it run when i'm snoozing or reading.


  songbird


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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 00:09 +0100, Brian wrote:
>ls -l /usr/bin/os-prober
> 
> If you get no output, my first statement is incorrect.


So if there's the output
"ls: cannot access /usr/bin/os-prober: No such file or directory"
your statement is correct?



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Re: Another OT: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 19:17 -0400, Wally Lepore wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> >
> >> Wally, are you familiar with MS DOS or DR DOS commands?
> >
> > PS: Or have you ever used a QL, C64 or similar computer?
> 
> I have no idea what QL, or a C64 is prior to googling.
> 
> Is this QL ?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_QL
> http://www.rwapadventures.com/ql_wiki/
> 
> C64 ?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64

Yes, they are.


> I've been in the banking and investment industry since 1985 and have
> used terminals that contained either database info or live stock
> quotes. Other than that, I've been on windows ever since 3.1 hit the
> market.
> 
> Why the question please?

Because using those or similar computers, was similar to using a
terminal on Linux.



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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 22:41 -0400, Joe Zien wrote:
> debian squeeze does not use grub legacy.
> I would suggest you try mepis 11  and install grub legacy in the MBR.
> It would automatically create menu.lst in /boot/grub and add all 
> operating systems
> in menu.lst.

It's no big deal to use another bootloader with Squeeze too. I bet mepis
wouldn't automatically add all my Linux or it would add some Linux that
aren't installed anymore. This is what those automations usually do on
my computer. Because those auto-thingies already fail to handle a Linux
only multi-boot, I suspect it won't be better for the OP's computer with
non-Linux operating systems.




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Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > Ideas?
> 
> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
> commands.
> -- 
> John Hasler

Now I am running NTP. Is there something I could post from NTP
that would be useful? The switch will take some time, and I'd
rather not do it now.

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Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Doug

On 10/15/2012 10:35 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I
have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian
desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years,
but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock. Until a few weeks ago,
they always displayed the same time, once I had correctly installed
the chrony or the ntp package. But some time recently they started
disagreeing by about 18 seconds with Debian/Squeeze running ahead, yes
ahead, of the Atomic Clock which is supposedly getting its signal by
radio direclty from the NIST transmitter. How can this be I've
reinstalled the software, but that didn't change the behavior, except
for a brief period when the local computer clock resynchoronized with
the time server pool. There's nothing remarkable about my hardware.
An aging dual core pentium, marketed by HP and running Squeeze with
Gnome desktop. Ideas?


Your Atomic Clock only resyncs once a day at about 3AM. Is it
possible that the mechanism of the clock is running slow during
the time after sync?  I don't know if these clocks are crystal
controlled--if they are, then 18 seconds in a day would be quite
excessive. But if they're not, then perhaps something in the circuit
has aged out.

Alternatively, how often does your computer clock get resynchronized?
Maybe the circuit in the computer just runs fast?

--doug

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Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Paul E Condon  writes:
> On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:

 >>> Ideas?

 >> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
 >> commands.

 > Now I am running NTP.  Is there something I could post from NTP that
 > would be useful?

$ ntpq -pn 

 > The switch will take some time, and I'd rather not do it now.

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aptitude interface help

2012-10-15 Thread james gray
Question:

where in the file system is the individual file

for help in the aptitude interface environment.

I would like to print it out.


when a person types the word aptitude at the command line and the system
brings up a interface with a blue colored header and a blue horizontal
strip in the middle and a red footer.


if i knew what something is called i would use its name.


any way, in this environment. a person can type shift question mark to go
into help.


the help info is contained inside


of the aptitude interface.


it would be nice to obtain the individual help information


that pertains to the keyboard shortcuts


for the aptitude interface environment to print it out.


thank you.


Re: aptitude interface help

2012-10-15 Thread Neal Murphy
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:34:24 AM james gray wrote:
> Question:
> 
> where in the file system is the individual file
> 
> for help in the aptitude interface environment.

The man pages are typically in /usr/share/man. The man page for aptitude is 
found in section 8. So, try:
  zcat /usr/share/man/man8/aptitude.8.gz | \
groff -man -T ps | \
ps2pdf - aptitude.pdf

Then use the normal method(s) to print a PDF. You may have to install gzip, 
groff and ghostscript for this to work (if they aren't already installed).

While there may be a 'proper' way to do it, it works for me.


Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time

2012-10-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > Ideas?
> 
> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
> commands.
> -- 
> John Hasler

I've now switched to chrony. The offset between 'atomic clock' and
Gnome clock display remains greater than 15sec. Its hard to be more
precise because I can't get the clock and the computer in my field of
vision simultaneously. But, no way do they agree to anything like
under a second. I do have an always on connection to the internet, and
I did take care to remove the 'offline's from the chrony.conf.

root@big:/var/log/chrony# chronyc tracking
Reference ID: 204.235.61.9 (name1.glorb.com)
Stratum : 3
Ref time (UTC)  : Tue Oct 16 05:47:52 2012
System time : 0.00121 seconds fast of NTP time
Frequency   : 190.723 ppm fast
Residual freq   : -6.591 ppm
Skew: 2.035 ppm
Root delay  : 0.099491 seconds
Root dispersion : 0.186323 seconds
root@big:/var/log/chrony# chronyc sources
210 Number of sources = 4
MS Name/IP address   Stratum Poll LastRx Last sample

^* name1.glorb.com   28191  +1029us[ +950us] +/-   90ms
^+ d7.hotfile.com28184+13ms[  +13ms] +/-   62ms
^? lttleman.deekayen.net 0   1010y +0ns[   +0ns] +/-0ns
^+ vpn.cumquat.nl28177+17ms[  +17ms] +/-  103ms
root@big:/var/log/chrony# 

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Re: GRUB location on Dual-Boot with TWO hard drives

2012-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 09:36:28PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> Yes, and you don't need to say 
> su root.  
> Just
> su 
> is enough.  

True, but then su on its own won't "source" root's environment, whereas
"su -" will source root's environment as though you'd actually logged in
as root. Try them both to see what I mean.

> Debian by default does not allow booting into a GUI as root.

Weird, I can type "startx" as root and it throws me into a default fvwm
desktop.  I am running wheezy with fvwm. I think I remember a time when
I couldn't do that!

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