Re: rm -rf is too slow on large files and directory structure(Around 30000)

[Robert Brockway]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Bilal mk wrote:


I am using xfs filesystem and also did the fsck. DMA is enabled.
Also perfomed xfs defragmentation( xfs_fsr). But still an issue not only rm
-rf but also cp command


Until quite recently XFS was notable for being slow to delete.  Others 
have noted that this is greatly improved in recent kernels but even with 
older kernels there is quite a bit of tuning that you can do to improve 
the delete performance.  Your favourite search engine should give 
you good results.


I put down some notes for myself here a while back:

http://www.practicalsysadmin.com/wiki/index.php/XFS_optimisation

Cheers,

Rob

--
Email: rob...@timetraveller.org Linux counter ID #16440
IRC: Solver (OFTC & Freenode)
Web: http://www.practicalsysadmin.com
Free & Open Source: The revolution that quietly changed the world
"One ought not to believe anything, save that which can be proven by nature and the 
force of reason" -- Frederick II (26 December 1194 – 13 December 1250)

Re: using a bluetooth headset

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Celejar wrote:


Okay, perhaps IDUC ;) But I think that my understanding is actually
probably correct, just that there's something wrong with the bluetooth
subsystem.

  It seems clear now that something is rotten in the bluetooth linux kingdom:
  I don't see the bluetooth headset, neither in alsamixer nor in pavucontrol
  ( I had to add me to the pulse group to open pavucontrol)
  I'll try now with Windows...

--
Pierre Frenkiel


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1202160924000.17...@pfr2.frenkiel-hure.net

Re: free software mini pc

[Joe]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:50 -0600
green  wrote:

> Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-15 20:25 -0600:
> > 
> > If your machine is supported by the stock kernel, all these
> > problems are pretty much absent: you can expect to simply "aptitude
> > upgrade" for the next ten years.
> 
> This is *precisely* why I prefer to purchase devices with full kernel 
> support.
> 
> The question is, how can I be reasonably sure before the purchase?
> In many cases the information is unavailable or difficult to find.

Because it mostly doesn't exist. If you were given one of these machines
and an Internet connection, how much time would you expect to need
before you were willing to issue a guarantee, on which other people
would base purchasing decisions, that *everything* worked as expected?

For how long would you issue the guarantee, given the slight but
non-zero chance that something is dependent on a bug which has security
issues, which might therefore change even in Stable?

When you do settle on something, will you test it exhaustively and
document the results on the Net? Because that's where the information
comes from which you're looking for at the moment, and you can help
future Debian users if you do. We'll get no help from manufacturers,
until they get desperate enough to scratch around for the last few
percent of potential customers.

Hardware compatibility happens in the MS world because the boot is on
the other foot, in that manufacturers have no choice but to engineer
their products to work with Windows, and modify them if problems are
found. No such incentive exists (yet) for Linux compatibility.

-- 
Joe


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216084320.4033e...@jretrading.com

Upgrade problem

[Petr Osanve Vytovtov]

Hello!

I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
/Resolving dependencies...
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and *71 not upgraded*.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used./
Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
Why is it so?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Re (3): Display on IBM ThinkPad A22m

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 15 feb 12, 16:29:13, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> From: Andrei POPESCU 
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:26:42 +0200
> > I'd rather have the full Xorg.0.log :)
> 
> http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/Xorg.0.log

(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz
(II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz
(WW) R128(0): Unable to estimate virtual size
(II) R128(0): Clock range:  12.50 to 250.00 MHz

It seems to me like Xorg is not detecting your monitor and is using 
default values. You probably only need a section "Monitor" with hsync, 
vrefresh and dimensions (if you care about a correct DPI).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: free software mini pc

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 08:43:20, Joe wrote:
> 
> Hardware compatibility happens in the MS world because the boot is on
> the other foot, in that manufacturers have no choice but to engineer
> their products to work with Windows, and modify them if problems are
> found. No such incentive exists (yet) for Linux compatibility.

It would be enough for hardware manufacturers to stick to the relevant 
standards, but more than often they implement them in various different 
ways or simply ignore them and then release Windows drivers that work 
around the issues.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: using a bluetooth headset

[J. Bakshi]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:32:43 +0100 (CET)
Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > Okay, perhaps IDUC ;) But I think that my understanding is actually
> > probably correct, just that there's something wrong with the bluetooth
> > subsystem.
>It seems clear now that something is rotten in the bluetooth linux kingdom:
>I don't see the bluetooth headset, neither in alsamixer nor in pavucontrol
>( I had to add me to the pulse group to open pavucontrol)
>I'll try now with Windows...
> 

+1
What is the state of bluetooth headset in linux ?


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216152738.72330...@shiva.selfip.org

Re: Upgrade problem

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

Pada 16 Februari 2012 5:27 PTG, Petr Osanve Vytovtov
 menulis:
> Hello!
>
> I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
> When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
> Resolving dependencies...
> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 71 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
> Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
> Why is it so?
>
> Thanks in advance!

because you used aptitude to prevent incompatibility on certain apps
on your debian testing.

you are using testing, remember.

if you brave enough, try 'aptitude full-upgrade'

-- 
Regards,

Umarzuki Mochlis
http://debmal.my


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/cahw9mbwheknuqe5nhk+3hz0yb-5+btzuraeq6l18xdkh8mu...@mail.gmail.com

Re: Upgrade problem

[Scott Ferguson]

On 16/02/12 20:27, Petr Osanve Vytovtov wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
> When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
> /Resolving dependencies...
> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and *71 not upgraded*.
> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used./
> Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
> Why is it so?
> 
> Thanks in advance!


dist-upgrade



Kind regards

-- 
Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:-
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3cd525.40...@gmail.com

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 15 feb 12, 22:13:07, Harry Putnam wrote:
> 
> The second subnet is not really expected to be used for full lan/wan
> networking just yet.  The ethernet address on LOCALHOST matching the
> second subnet 192.168.2.0/24 is on eth1, and is really only being used
> to access a pet router (TP-Link WR1043ND) I am playing with using
> openwrt OS software.

Unless ifupdown is smart enough (don't know, you have to research this) 
the "second" DHCP might override the default gateway of the "first"[1]. 
Assuming you may want to connect other devices to the OpenWrt you 
probably don't want to tinker with it's DHCP server and should handle 
this on the client side. Useful reading:

man interfaces
man dhclient.conf

[1] "first" and "second" in quotes because I have no idea how ifupdown 
decides which is the "first" interface (file order? activation order?)

BTW, in a similar situation as yours I decided to connect the OpenWrt 
device (Asus WL 500gP v2) directly to the gateway via one of the 
"lan"[2] ports and with a static IP in the same subnet. This way I can 
use it as just another device on my lan and plan to use it as DNS and 
web server.

[2] most devices of this type actually implement the "wan" and "lan" via 
vlans and it's very under OpenWrt to disable this functionality and use 
the wan port as just another switch port.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Need help dealing with the demise of qpopper

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 15 feb 12, 18:17:11, Paul E Condon wrote:
> 
> Thanks but ...  What is dovecot? And which host is it to be installed?

You asked for replacements to qpopper and this is what I suggested. See 
'apt-cache show dovecot-pop3d' for more info.

To make even more precise suggestions you need to provide more info 
about the "qpopper side". You mentioned that all you needed was to 
install it, which probably means it automagically picked up some 
existing mail storage on the same computer. Please provide more info 
about it and how new messages arrive there.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Upgrade problem

[Petr Osanve Vytovtov]

On 02/16/12 13:59, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

Pada 16 Februari 2012 5:27 PTG, Petr Osanve Vytovtov
  menulis:

Hello!

I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
Resolving dependencies...
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 71 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
Why is it so?

Thanks in advance!

because you used aptitude to prevent incompatibility on certain apps
on your debian testing.

you are using testing, remember.

if you brave enough, try 'aptitude full-upgrade'


Thanks! "aptitude full-upgrade" solved the problem.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3cd441.2000...@gmail.com

Re: Re (3): Display on IBM ThinkPad A22m

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 11:49:35, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 15 feb 12, 16:29:13, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > From:   Andrei POPESCU 
> > Date:   Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:26:42 +0200
> > > I'd rather have the full Xorg.0.log :)
> > 
> > http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/Xorg.0.log
> 
> (II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz
> (II) R128(0): Monitor0: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00-70.00 Hz
> (WW) R128(0): Unable to estimate virtual size
> (II) R128(0): Clock range:  12.50 to 250.00 MHz
> 
> It seems to me like Xorg is not detecting your monitor and is using 
> default values. You probably only need a section "Monitor" with hsync, 
> vrefresh and dimensions (if you care about a correct DPI).

On a second thought, maybe you should try again without an xorg.conf.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

FAI Squeeze and SPARC

[Denny Schierz]

hi,

I try to get FAI working for my SPARC machines and build a own kernel and let 
the kernel create the initrd. The most problem is the size of the tftp 
bootimage, which does not exceed 9.5MB, otherwise it can't load anymore.

The complete SPARC environment was create under the target (config + NFSRoot)  
and copied to the real FAI Server (X86). Also some FAI initrd files I copied to 
my own initrd. 
Now I hang on the boot process:

[...]
[   69.947437] tg3 :0c:04.1: eth3: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex
[   70.038007] tg3 :0c:04.1: eth3: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX
[   70.423596] tg3 :09:04.0: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex
[   70.511857] tg3 :09:04.0: eth0: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX
[   72.884113] . OK
[   74.409930] IP-Config: Got DHCP answer from 192.168.1.1, my address is 
192.168.1.5
[   74.664458] IP-Config: Complete:
[   74.706924]  device=eth3, addr=192.168.1.5, mask=255.255.255.0, 
gw=192.168.1.1,
[   74.804398]  host=template.rbg.foobar, domain=rbg.foobar, 
nis-domain=(none),
[   74.947630]  bootserver=192.168.1.1, rootserver=192.168.1.1, 
rootpath=/srv/fai-sparc/nfsroot
[   75.066827] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[   75.180306] udev[73]: starting version 164


BusyBox v1.17.1 (Debian 1:1.17.1-8) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
(initramfs)

[...]

the command line:

boot net3:dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot:192.168.1.1:/srv/fai-sparc/nfsroot 
ip=eth3:

NFS itself is working:

(initramfs) mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
none on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
none on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=2071464k,nr_inodes=258933,mode=755)
none on /dev/pts type devpts 
(rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,mode=755)
none on /dev/pts type devpts 
(rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
(initramfs) mkdir /mnt
(initramfs) nfsmount 192.168.1.1:/srv/fai-sparc/nfsroot /mnt
(initramfs) ls /mnt
live
(initramfs) 


If I put into the command line "boot=live" than:

[...]
[   77.044287] Sending DHCP and RARP requests .
[   79.036276] tg3 :0c:04.1: eth3: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex
[   79.126838] tg3 :0c:04.1: eth3: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX
[   79.219337] tg3 :09:04.0: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex
[   79.307565] tg3 :09:04.0: eth0: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX
[   81.444262] ., OK
[   82.973979] IP-Config: Got RARP answer from 192.168.1.1, my address is 
192.168.1.5
[   83.228600] IP-Config: Complete:
[   83.271074]  device=eth3, addr=192.168.1.5, mask=255.255.255.0, 
gw=192.168.1.1,
[   83.368550]  host=template.rbg.foobar, domain=rbg.foobar, 
nis-domain=(none),
[   83.511783]  bootserver=192.168.1.1, rootserver=192.168.1.1, 
rootpath=/srv/fai-sparc/nfsroot
[   83.630980] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[   83.78] udev[73]: starting version 164
[   84.309317] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[   84.387304] Call Trace:
[   84.419388]  [0045b8f8] do_exit+0xa8/0x6bc
[   84.482394]  [0045bf7c] do_group_exit+0x70/0xa8
[   84.551142]  [0045bfcc] SyS_exit_group+0x18/0x28
[   84.621044]  [00405fd4] linux_sparc_syscall32+0x34/0x40
[   84.698955] Press Stop-A (L1-A) to return to the boot prom
[...]


So I have something missed ... 

any suggestions?

It seems, that there must be a problem with "init".

cu denny




signature.asc
Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: free software mini pc

[Mark Neidorff]

On Wednesday 15 February 2012 2:01:22 pm green wrote:
> Mark Neidorff wrote at 2012-02-14 17:45 -0600:
> 
> When you purchased the server on which you run Lenny, did you know for sure
> that the installation would go smoothly and all hardware would work
> correctly?  What if today you needed another system on which to run Debian
> and knew that you did not have time to troubleshoot any hardware problems?
> You could get the same as what you have now, but what if it is no longer
> available?  Wouldn't it be helpful to find a vendor that provided a
> hardware table for each system with information about Linux mainline
> kernel versions, drivers, and firmware?  Like, "this SATA controller is
> supported since Linux v2.6.29 with the ahci driver".  So in that case you
> could look at their site, compare with the kernel version in Debian
> stable, and know with reasonable certainty that this hardware will "just
> work" with Debian stable.  Or that you need to consider a kernel in
> backports, etc.
> 

Yes.  I knew because, for a server, I bought slightly "behind the curve."  For 
the server, I knew that I didn't need the latest and gretest, so I was able to 
look at hardware that had been on the market for about a year and check 
compatibility easily. Then the install "just worked."

IMO, in getting "the latest and greatest" can be as much of an ego thing as a 
productivity thing.  Question is:  what are your specific needs going to be?  
That will determine the power and features that you need.


> Many vendors mention various versions of Windows on their hardware pages,
> but nothing about Linux.  So as a consumer, do I just blindly assume that,
> although the vendor apparently does not care enough about Linux to even
> mention it, that it will all "just work"?  Or those that mention Linux,
> but no kernel versions: will the kernel in Debian stable work?  Or those
> with Linux drivers available for download, do I need to maintain
> out-of-tree drivers (remember I mentioned a maintenance burden)?

Here's another way of looking at the same thing.  Other M$  require that 
hardware goes through a certification process before it gets the "works 
with..." sticker.  They have a roll-out scheudle of once every few years.  Is 
that what you want?  That costs the consumer $$$.  Are you willing to spend 
for that?

> 
> Now, because of the implication that hardware (as with your server, Mark)
> will all "just work" with Debian (and that my post/research is just
> silly/trolling), I will quickly mention nvidia, fglrx, and ralink wireless,
> all problematic a while back.  I have had a Thinkpad T61 with a PSTN modem
> for >4 years, it has never worked (Debian amd64); I hope to try again when
> I upgrade to wheezy.  Okay, so now someone might say "well, of course
> video, winmodems, and wireless will cause some trouble sometimes".  These
> mini-pcs... any of them have onboard video hardware?  Or come with
> wireless hardware?
> 
> And someone might say that many of the problems had in the past are
> resolved, and quite possible so.  So if I need a functional device now, do
> I need to just purchase one and shelve it for a few years before assuming
> Linux will work?  I understand that Linux has a history of better support
> for older hardware, and that is reasonable, but would that need to be so
> (as much) if vendor support was better?  And the Intel GM965 video on my
> T61 still does not quite work correctly for 3d applications, even after 4
> years.

True, audio and video devices have been less than perfectly supported in 
linux.  Look at why.  Video hardware goes through benchmark testing.  The 
"ed's choice" hardware does the best on the benchmarks and sells the best.  
So, the hardware is built to work best ON THE BENCHMARKS, but not necessarily 
in the real world.  So what linux faces is hardware that is tweaked to do well 
on benchmarks on a different OS.  This has lead to hardware manufacturers not 
releasing their code to linux, bucause they would reveal how they make the 
hardware look good on the benchmarks.  Audio is continuously being worked on.  
It is another difficult area for similar reasons.
> 
> Okay, I could look through the specifications carefully and research eg.
> the wireless hardware, but what about when vendors change the chipset
> mid-model?

Yep.  that is always a problem with buying the "latest and greatest."

> 
> Am I being demanding here?  I want an absolutely functional Linux on a
> device, and I am willing to pay for it (I have mentioned no limit, though I
> do have a budget).  For those assuming I am needing tens or hundreds of
> whatever mini-pc I choose, no.  I only need a single mini-pc system.  More
> later, perhaps.  It is not for my own use, but at a location where tech
> support is not available, and where the system will quite likely be in use
> for 5+ years.

One question.  Do you expect the device to continue to be 100% functional when 
the infostructure around it will change ov

Pump Market Report 2012

[MTW Research]

Please be advised that we have just published a brand new, 1st edition report 
reviewing the UK Pump Market in 2012 with forecasts to 2016 and would like to 
extend an offer for you to receive a copy at 20% discount off the usual price 
for a limited time.  The report is the most detailed available at such a cost 
effective price and combines the best of both quantitative and qualitative 
research, enabling both long term strategic decision-making as well as quickly 
developing leads and growing sales in the short term.

Full details of the report and optional 900+ Consulting Engineers email & 
mailing list, including a sample and online ordering are available on our 
website:- 
http://www.marketresearchreports.co.uk/pump-market/Pump-Market-Size.htm 

Based on financial data from 80% of the pump market by value, the report is 
written specifically for pump manufacturers & distributors, component suppliers 
and process industry and automation suppliers.  The 130+ page report includes 
market size from 2006 to 2012, provides product mix & trends, share by end use 
sector, forecasts to 2016 alongside a SWOT and PEST analysis.   The report has 
already been well received by the industry, with an article being published 
this week on leading journal H&V News' website 
http://www.hvnplus.co.uk/news/pump-market-primed-for-growth-in-2012/8626411.article
 

Market Size 2006-2016 & Key Trends are Provided for:-

- Rotodynamic Pumps
- Positive Displacement - Rotary Pumps
- Positive Displacement - Reciprocating Pumps

End Use Sector Shares, Market Trends & Pump Sales 2006-2016 are Provided for:-

- Water Treatment & Supply
- Power Generation  
- Chemical Processing   
- Oil / Gas 
- Food / Drink  
- Domestic (Up to 150kw)
- Pharmaceuticals   
- Pulp & Paper  
- Metal Processing  
- Building Services 
- Health / Medical  
- Construction  

This detailed report also provides sales estimates, industry analysis, 
rankings, profiles & mailing leads for 50+ of the leading pump suppliers, 
enabling product manufacturers to develop more effective strategies in line 
with current market conditions and enabling manufacturers, distributors and 
process system suppliers to develop an in-depth understanding of their 
competitive environment and grow sales.  

The report also includes 4 years of financial history for more than 50 pump 
suppliers; industry analysis of profitability, assets, liabilities and net 
worth between 2006-2016; and an option to purchase an accompanying 900+ 
Consulting Engineers email & mailing list, providing sound, effective market 
intelligence and immediate sales leads.  Further information, including an 
executive summary and free sample can be found on our website here: 
http://www.marketresearchreports.co.uk/pump-market/Pump-Market-Size.htm  

We are pleased to offer your company a 20% discount off all prices advertised 
here: http://www.marketresearchreports.co.uk/pump-market/pump-market-order.htm  
until 31st March 2012, representing excellent value for money at prices 
starting from just ?450.  Please quote E.PMP1.12 when ordering online to 
receive the discount.  
 
If you require any further information please don't hesitate to contact me. If 
this email is not of interest to you, please forward it to your marketing 
director or managing director - thank you.  
 
Kind regards, 
 
Mark Waddy
 
MTW Research
Eagle Tower
Montpellier Drive
Cheltenham
Glos
GL50 1TA
 
Tel 08456 524324
sa...@marketresearchreports.co.uk
www.marketresearchreports.co.uk 
To unsubscribe from this list please email us.









..














..









--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/41114-220122416101138890@MARKWADDY

Re: [OT] date is wrong

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 11 feb 12, 19:29:16, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 
> After reading your message, I found setting for sorting. I set it to
> sort with unread/read and now this problem is solved.

I took the easy way out and just corrected the date in the message and 
regenerated mutt's cache ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Need help dealing with the demise of qpopper

[Chris Davies]

Paul E Condon  wrote:
> I have looked into qpopper replacement options. I'm sure setting up a
> replacement will be easy for many, but for me it presents a
> challenge.

Happy to try and help you accept and overcome the challenge  :-)

I'm not familiar with qpopper or the alternative I'm about to suggest,
as I use dovecot/imap. However, "popa3d" seems to work here straight out
of the box. Admittedly, I've really only tried a trivial scenario, but
I was able to get email from /var/mail/* with local user authentication
derived from /etc/passwd.

Chris


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/qu5v09xvqo@news.roaima.co.uk

Re: FAI Squeeze and SPARC

[Denny Schierz]

hi,

I'm closer to success:

boot net3:dhcp  root=/dev/nfs boot=live  init=/init 
nfsroot:192.168.1.1:/srv/fai-sparc/nfsroot ip=eth3: debug


the live.log shows:

+ mount -t aufs -o 
noatime,noxino,dirs=/cow=rw:/live/image/live/filesystem.dir=rr aufs /root
mount: mounting aufs on /root failed: No such device
+ panic mount aufs on /root failed with option 
noatime,noxino,dirs=/cow=rw:/live/image/live/filesystem.dir=rr

cu denny

signature.asc
Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

[OT] Re: Installing debian, dual boot on 1 TB disk?

[ACro]

Quoting Andrei POPESCU :

> I'd say Hanlon's Razor explains it better :p
> 
> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
> stupidity."
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei


Andrei,

thanks for replying; yes, you're probably right, and I'm not prone to support
conspiracy theories. But, de facto:

http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5850.html

All the best,
Andrew


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329395848.4f3cf8884e...@mail.bluebottle.com

Re: Maintaining/resting gnome settings

[Claudius Hubig]

T o n g  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>My wife uses gnome, but the problem is that her gnome settings goes 
>berserk every now and then. It won't be long for her to find out this is 
>not working as expect, then that is not working as expect. I use fluxbox 
>instead of DM, so I don't know gnome well. So all I can do is to remove 
>any files/directories under her home dir that vaguely seems to be gnome 
>settings. 
>
>Now she found that she couldn't open .rar files any more. I tested under 
>my gnome, and it works fine for me. Problem is, I just removed all her 
>gnome setting related files/directories only about a month ago, and now I 
>have to do find/delete/re-config again. 
>
>I really have enough now, and am seeking real solutions. 
>How can I keep just what I configured under home, instead of having 
>several humongous gnome configuration files/directories under home.
>
>Please help. Any tip appreciated. 

How about making a little script? Gnome related configuration files
(Gnome 2.30) can usually be found here:

.gnome2/
.gnome2_private/
.gconf/
.gconfd/

maybe also

.config/

So you can either make a script that removes these directories and
puts the backup in place, or, even more fancy, have a look at vcsh,
which lets you manage those directories as git repositories. To get
an older version, you then have to simply check out the corresponding
commit.

Best regards,

Claudius
-- 
BOFH excuse #399:

We are a 100% Microsoft Shop.
Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4
http://chubig.net/ http://nightfall.org



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216140356.2a922...@ares.home.chubig.net

Bind errors in syslog

[Tony van der Hoff]

From time to time, folloing appears in my syslog. Always in pairs, 
always 10 mins apart:


Feb 16 13:44:41 tony-lx inetd[1870]: tftp/udp: bind: Address already in use
Feb 16 13:54:41 tony-lx inetd[1870]: tftp/udp: bind: Address already in use

Any suggestions as to what I can do to track down the cause of these 
messages?

--
Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org
Buckinghamshire, England |


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d0d23.5070...@vanderhoff.org

Re: Need help dealing with the demise of qpopper

[Paul E Condon]

On 20120216_122003, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 15 feb 12, 18:17:11, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks but ...  What is dovecot? And which host is it to be installed?
> 
> You asked for replacements to qpopper and this is what I suggested. See 
> 'apt-cache show dovecot-pop3d' for more info.
> 
> To make even more precise suggestions you need to provide more info 
> about the "qpopper side". You mentioned that all you needed was to 
> install it, which probably means it automagically picked up some 
> existing mail storage on the same computer. Please provide more info 
> about it and how new messages arrive there.

Please accept my sincere apologies. I am old, and was tired and
cranky.  Over night another suggestion has arrived which I tested
before writing this response. It works to my liking.

The messages that arrive at the host that had been running qpopper
have been generated by system software, e.g. aptitude, when something
needs to be reported to the owner/administrator* of the host. It does
not recieve mail from any other source. And if it did, I would like to
know of that because any email arriving there from an external source
would be evidence of a security problem. But, for now, it is not
reasonable that you waste your time understanding better the strange
workings of my mind. The apology is the important thing.

Best wishes, and thanks,
Paul

*It seems strange to think of myself as system administrator, but that
is what I must be in this situation, no matter how incompetent I am at
doing the work.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216145448.ge6...@big.lan.gnu

Re: Need help dealing with the demise of qpopper

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 07:54:48, Paul E Condon wrote:
> 
> Please accept my sincere apologies. I am old, and was tired and
> cranky.  Over night another suggestion has arrived which I tested
> before writing this response. It works to my liking.

Don't worry about it and glad you found something that suits your needs 
:)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Need help dealing with the demise of qpopper [SOLVED]

[Paul E Condon]

On 20120216_113002, Chris Davies wrote:
> Paul E Condon  wrote:
> > I have looked into qpopper replacement options. I'm sure setting up a
> > replacement will be easy for many, but for me it presents a
> > challenge.
> 
> Happy to try and help you accept and overcome the challenge  :-)
> 
> I'm not familiar with qpopper or the alternative I'm about to suggest,
> as I use dovecot/imap. However, "popa3d" seems to work here straight out
> of the box. Admittedly, I've really only tried a trivial scenario, but
> I was able to get email from /var/mail/* with local user authentication
> derived from /etc/passwd.
> 
> Chris

The package, popa3d, allows me to pick up email from the host that had
been running qpopper using fetchmail and my pre-existing .fetchmailrc
. I could have been using popa3d long before this, but didn't know of
its existence.  Comparison of the documentation for the two indicates
that it is not an exact replacement for qpopper. Qualcomm popper,
qpopper, has extra features that make it 'better' than plain POP3.
But whatever the extra features are, I must not have been using them,
"It works for me." Thanks.

-- 
Paul E Condon   
pecon...@mesanetworks.net


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216151902.gf6...@big.lan.gnu

Re: Upgrade problem

[Lisi]

On Thursday 16 February 2012 10:06:29 Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 16/02/12 20:27, Petr Osanve Vytovtov wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
> > When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
> > /Resolving dependencies...
> > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and *71 not
> > upgraded*. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be
> > used./
> > Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
> > Why is it so?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
>
> dist-upgrade

The OP says that he is using aptitude.  dist-upgrade is therefore not correct.  
As Umarzuki Mochlis says, it should be full-upgrade.  dist-upgrade is for 
apt-get.

Lisi


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202161532.14614.lisi.re...@gmail.com

Re: free software mini pc

[green]

Joe wrote at 2012-02-16 02:43 -0600:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:50 -0600 green wrote:
> > The question is, how can I be reasonably sure before the purchase?
> > In many cases the information is unavailable or difficult to find.
> 
> Because it mostly doesn't exist. If you were given one of these machines
> and an Internet connection, how much time would you expect to need
> before you were willing to issue a guarantee, on which other people
> would base purchasing decisions, that *everything* worked as expected?

You suggest that it would take an unreasonable amount of time, then later you 
suggest/request that I do for the sake of other Linux users.  Either way 
(read on)...

> For how long would you issue the guarantee, given the slight but
> non-zero chance that something is dependent on a bug which has security
> issues, which might therefore change even in Stable?

I understand that Linux is a moving target.  But is it really so difficult to 
just say that "yes, we tested this device with Linux kernel version whatever 
and tested the following items"?

There are several 100% free Linux distributions available (I have looked at 
Parabola and BLAG); just running one of those and testing would do the trick, 
correct?

> When you do settle on something, will you test it exhaustively and
> document the results on the Net?

If possible, I will do so.  Of course, one reason this discussion started is 
that I do not feel that I have extra time to deal with hardware troubles, but 
I will do my best to at least document what works, and more if possible.

> Because that's where the information comes from which you're looking for at 
> the moment, and you can help future Debian users if you do. We'll get no 
> help from manufacturers, until they get desperate enough to scratch around 
> for the last few percent of potential customers.
> 
> Hardware compatibility happens in the MS world because the boot is on
> the other foot, in that manufacturers have no choice but to engineer
> their products to work with Windows, and modify them if problems are
> found. No such incentive exists (yet) for Linux compatibility.

So although niche markets exist and there are niche manufacturers to fill (at 
least some of) those markets, you suggest that none exists to fill this one.  
As I have said previously: I would be satisfied, but disappointed, to be told 
that no, there is no vendor providing a reasonable guarantee of mainline 
Linux support.  Your message has come closest so far to doing that; thanks.


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Upgrade problem

[Mika Suomalainen]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hi,

According to the manual page, dist-upgrade is alias for full-upgrade.

Lisi  wrote:

>On Thursday 16 February 2012 10:06:29 Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 16/02/12 20:27, Petr Osanve Vytovtov wrote:
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > I use Debian testing amd64 and I have next problem.
>> > When I write command "aptitude upgrade" it returns next:
>> > /Resolving dependencies...
>> > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
>> > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and *71 not
>> > upgraded*. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be
>> > used./
>> > Command "aptitude update" doesn't help.
>> > Why is it so?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>>
>> dist-upgrade
>
>The OP says that he is using aptitude.  dist-upgrade is therefore not
>correct.
>As Umarzuki Mochlis says, it should be full-upgrade.  dist-upgrade is
>for
>apt-get.
>
>Lisi
>
>
>--
>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
>with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
>listmas...@lists.debian.org
>Archive:
>http://lists.debian.org/201202161532.14614.lisi.re...@gmail.com

Mika Suomalainen
> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 03D41B0D C0151D5C
> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8751C396
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: APG v1.0.8

iQFYBAEBCABCBQJPPSO4OxxNaWthIFN1b21hbGFpbmVuIChzLm1pa2E5NUBnbWFp
bC5jb20pIDxzLm1pa2E5NUBnbWFpbC5jb20+AAoJEGfQ7zLAFR1ctiUIAJcBl2BQ
Blt91bFExs+k1OGmqQzwfgmf75UX3LOEy2SwxYdnQTqmKBXOacduJRWg7ISCrh6M
G1Q3aaN2lTx3CjGi9FOoZtPK/AxOBmmiI5pBmPoAkLb/esCnTe1PgKvPIPzN5k7t
kTOyrFsgmkNBG6OrzGL3RVeX25DEOnKPEA8edVv+FwEv95IIKDuHV/hVnCiiJFGb
kJKqeV0coO2OR2Mj4suzkHTGfsZ8Qqy12qizO4J/AChjzq/v0fu3wEt1IcXCon4P
/IWa9P/wtMFQ47yVzfEY3PkTryalt6xSTn4sNWWjt+oBYPNd+JEbyompE5D4tNy5
zPnI4QRUS2HcU3s=
=7zN9
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/b3a74b94-4778-490f-97a1-148c14722...@email.android.com

Re: Sticky bit on device files?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 07:39, Peter Lebbing  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Since some time I get the message
>> swapon: [...]: insecure permissions 1660, 0660 suggested.
>
> [1] is related to this. I'm not worried, but there are two things I wonder:
>
> 1) Foremost, what does the sticky bit on character or block device files even
> _mean_? I'm guessing it's meaningless, but I wonder. My Google fu comes up
> empty.  It's a big cover up?  ;P

POSIX does not specify a behavior for the S_ISVTX bit being set on a
file: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/chmod.html

It seems that Linux ignores it on files (not true on HP-UX and Solaris).
Device files don't seem to be any different in that regard.

But I admit I don't know for sure.

> 2) How come the sticky bit is set for a whole bunch of character and block
> devices? Grepping through udev rules didn't shed light on it. I didn't feel 
> like
> reading all rules manually, hoping somebody already knows.

Sounds odd. I don't have access to my Debian box right now, but I don't
really remember seeing any sticky bits in there. There is an OpenSuSE
box here, it has sticky bit on /dev/shm, but that is it.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8QvSKHTGBntNg=e4tb-v12nvwvajd0daqme9nd4et...@mail.gmail.com

new earphone/headset arrival

[Ben Xiu]

Hi,

How are you?

This is Ben from Ustar Technology Co.,Ltd.We are a manufacturer of
earphone/headset. We offer good quality earphone/headset at competitive
price. Just be feel to contact me if you have any questions.

Ben

Ustar Technology Co.,Ltd

Re: free software mini pc

[green]

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-15 20:19 -0600:
> The same should hold for the Fit-PC3 (tho you may want to check their
> forums first, since support for some particular features like the IR
> interface or the watchdog may not all be supported by the current
> kernel).  While they don't guarantee that the stock kernels supports all
> the hardware, they do care about GNU/Linux support and provide fairly
> good information on the forums about the available support, so you can
> make up your mind before actually buying the unit.

The Fit-PC3 requires non-free fglrx for radeon hardware?
http://www.fit-pc.com/wiki/index.php/Fit-PC3:_Installing_Linux_Mint_12
http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc3/docs/fit-PC3-specifications.pdf


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: display to remote machine

[Dougie Nisbet]

On 12/02/2012 21:34, T o n g wrote:

Hi,

With the ssh/x-forwarding, I seems to have lost the ability to sent my
local xdisplay to remote machine. How can I do it?


I gave up with this when I discovered I could usually achieve the same 
thing using

ssh -X hostname

and then running the app on the destination machine. Perhaps nohuping it 
will be a workaround.


Dougie


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d3741.8010...@gmail.com

Re: Sticky bit on device files?

[Rick Thomas]

I tried it on a couple of Debian Squeeze machines and only saw
shm d
Which makes sense.

What release are you running?

Rick


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9b28e00a-17e0-4578-a689-59a1db271...@pobox.com

Re: free software mini pc

[Andrew McGlashan]

Okay, just a few cents from me.

I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line 
kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track.


The drivers change, some disappear too -- there is never going to be any 
guarantees.  The same goes for all sorts of packages that you might run 
as well.


I had some small ARM machines which worked very well on Lenny, but they 
are terrible on a very similar Squeeze install.  As newer distros come 
about and the Linux kernel gets larger and larger, there are all sorts 
of reasons why an older machine won't be suitable without going for a 
very custom setup with lots of thinning out of the kernel.  Too much 
work to do that.


In history, I remember a P133 machine being "quite powerful" and it was 
at the time, try running anything recent on such a machine today and 
you'll be so let down.  You get more RAM on a portable tablet these days 
or even a basic smart phone, forget about the processing power, hahaha.


Your ideal solution would be great, but it isn't likely to be fulfilled 
and if it ever is, then I wouldn't think you'll get all that much 
longevity from it.


Okay, now I'm going to do a simple car analogy thing -- not that 
related, but hey, bear with me.  My first Holden Commodore was a VS 
Series II model.  When I got that car, I was advised to buy the newest 
Commodore I could afford (I already decided on a Commodore).  After a 
few years it suffered a transmission problem and it was too expensive to 
fix, so I replaced it with a VT Series II.  In time I ended up with my 
current car, which is an MY10 VE.  At every point, the newer car was 
much better than the previous car in so many ways -- even though it was 
still the same "basic" range of vehicle.  I suggest you might take the 
same approach with computer hardware, buy the best you can afford that 
meets as many of your aims as possible today, understand it won't last 
"forever" and plan for a replacement later, you are sure to find so much 
better value down the track.


Heck, I may as well take this a little further.  My Galaxy S i9000 
mobile cost near $800 and now a brand new replacement of the exact same 
model is available under $400, but the S2 is so much better and under 
$600 with double the warranty [proper legitimate AU stock, not imported 
from overseas with limited warranty and support].  Sure, my i9000 is 
still good, but if I was to be buying a phone right now, I wouldn't go 
past the S2 ... of course I have dreams for the S3 or maybe the Galaxy Note.


Anyway, back to the main point of this thread.  I hope you find a 
suitable device that matches your criteria as much as possible, or even 
fully.  But don't count on it lasting for more than a few years without 
you pulling your hair out, hoping for a faster, better and far more 
efficient device.


Oh and the raspberrypi with 1GB at $35  hmmm I don't think so. 
Looks like a nice toy, but far too low in the memory stakes today at 
256MB for $35.


Cheers

--
Kind Regards
AndrewM

Andrew McGlashan
Broadband Solutions now including VoIP


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d39d9.8000...@affinityvision.com.au

Re: free software mini pc

[green]

Mark Neidorff wrote at 2012-02-16 04:38 -0600:
> On Wednesday 15 February 2012 2:01:22 pm green wrote:
> > When you purchased the server on which you run Lenny, did you know for sure
> > that the installation would go smoothly and all hardware would work
> > correctly?
> 
> Yes.  I knew because, for a server, I bought slightly "behind the curve."  
> For 
> the server, I knew that I didn't need the latest and gretest, so I was able 
> to 
> look at hardware that had been on the market for about a year and check 
> compatibility easily. Then the install "just worked."

I don't really get how you "check compatibility easily".  Are there any 
particular resources you use?

> IMO, in getting "the latest and greatest" can be as much of an ego thing as a 
> productivity thing.

True, but irrelevant.  I do not care about "latest and greatest", unless 
fanless is considered as such.

> Question is: what are your specific needs going to be?  That will determine 
> the power and features that you need.

Okay.  Basic desktop use, fanless.  100% supported by free software.  
802.11g, ethernet, 2.5 inch bay and SATA port, USB, audio with microphone 
port, video out.  Fairly solid hardware.

> > Many vendors mention various versions of Windows on their hardware pages,
> > but nothing about Linux.  So as a consumer, do I just blindly assume that,
> > although the vendor apparently does not care enough about Linux to even
> > mention it, that it will all "just work"?
> 
> Here's another way of looking at the same thing.  Other M$  require that 
> hardware goes through a certification process before it gets the "works 
> with..." sticker.  They have a roll-out scheudle of once every few years.  Is 
> that what you want?  That costs the consumer $$$.  Are you willing to spend 
> for that?

It probably depends on how much it costs.  A manufacturer could probably only 
guarantee support for a particular kernel version, and that does not seem so 
difficult to me.

> True, audio and video devices have been less than perfectly supported in 
> linux.  Look at why.  Video hardware goes through benchmark testing.  The 
> "ed's choice" hardware does the best on the benchmarks and sells the best.  
> So, the hardware is built to work best ON THE BENCHMARKS, but not necessarily 
> in the real world.  So what linux faces is hardware that is tweaked to do 
> well 
> on benchmarks on a different OS.  This has lead to hardware manufacturers not 
> releasing their code to linux, bucause they would reveal how they make the 
> hardware look good on the benchmarks.

Okay, thanks for the explanation.  But yet there are audio and video devices 
that do work with 100% free software.  So the hardware is out there.

> > Okay, I could look through the specifications carefully and research eg.
> > the wireless hardware, but what about when vendors change the chipset
> > mid-model?
> 
> Yep.  that is always a problem with buying the "latest and greatest."

What?  If the chipset changes mid-model, then identifying that device will be 
forever more difficult, regardless of whether it is recent hardware.  This is 
one reason why I feel it is difficult to guarantee support *before* I have 
the device in my hands, versus testing it *after*.

> > It is not for my own use, but at a location where tech support is not 
> > available, and where the system will quite likely be in use for 5+ years.
> 
> One question.  Do you expect the device to continue to be 100% functional 
> when 
> the infostructure around it will change over the next 5+ years?  That is not 
> reasonable.  

The desktop I intend to replace is more than 5 years old and it is still 
capable of running squeeze.  It has an Abit KR7A-133R motherboard (reviewed 
2002-04-12) and a AMD Athlon XP 1900+ (introduced 2001-11-04).  Both 
available over 9 years ago.  The only hardware changes that might be more 
recent are PCI wireless and a PATA hard drive.  It also has much of what I 
mentioned above: ethernet, USB, audio, video out, 802.11g (may be more 
recent)--but not fanless, SATA, or 100% free software support.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/1008771/ABIT-KR7A-133R-KT266A-Motherboard-Review.htm
http://techreport.com/articles.x/3086/1


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: free software mini pc

[green]

Stefan Monnier wrote at 2012-02-16 08:10 -0600:
> > The question is, how can I be reasonably sure before the purchase?  In many 
> > cases the information is unavailable or difficult to find.
> 
> Agreed, it's a serious problem.  E.g. for fit-pc2 I actually forgot to
> mention that the video driver is not well supported by stock kernel and
> Xorg since it's the infamous "gma500".  It's actually reasonably well
> supported by the KMS code now (since Linux-3.0, more or less) but there's
> still basically no hardware acceleration support.

I seriously considered a fit-PC2 until I learned about the trouble with 
GMA500.
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/

> Of course, the manufacturer distributes the GNU/Linux version of the
> product with a proprietary driver which is hell to get working on
> anything else than that specific Xorg+kernel combination.

I like to avoid that head-banging experience and the associated "why did I 
ever purchase this garbage".


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[keitho]

> You can check which packages are uninstalled but still have their
> config hanging around with "aptitude search '?config-files'".
>
> You can then run "apt-get purge " to get rid of the config
> one particular package or "apt-get purge $(aptitude search
> '?config-files' -F '%p" to get rid of all the leftover configs.
>

Thanks for posting this gem!

However, I could be wrong, but I think there is a typo. Might just be how
my web translation came across. The last command should be:

$sudo apt-get purge $(aptitude search '?config-files' -F %p)

No tick in front of the %p and a close-parenthesis at the end. One might
also use the --dry-run option first as well just in case...

Keith Ostertag


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/7b264112903d39001ac57c965776e2c7.squir...@webmail.strucktower.com

Re: free software mini pc

[green]

Andrew McGlashan wrote at 2012-02-16 11:16 -0600:
> I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line
> kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track.

In another message, I just mentioned the desktop to be replaced, which has an 
Abit KR7A-133R motherboard and AMD Athlon XP 1900+ processor, both available 
over 9 years ago.  This computer is still capable of running squeeze quite 
comfortably.


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Bob Proulx]

kei...@strucktower.com wrote:
> > You can check which packages are uninstalled but still have their
> > config hanging around with "aptitude search '?config-files'".
> >
> > You can then run "apt-get purge " to get rid of the config
> > one particular package or "apt-get purge $(aptitude search
> > '?config-files' -F '%p" to get rid of all the leftover configs.
> 
> Thanks for posting this gem!
> 
> However, I could be wrong, but I think there is a typo. Might just be how
> my web translation came across. The last command should be:
> 
> $sudo apt-get purge $(aptitude search '?config-files' -F %p)
> 
> No tick in front of the %p and a close-parenthesis at the end. One might
> also use the --dry-run option first as well just in case...

I always use dpkg -l to get the list and then purge those.  Using dpkg
directly is s much faster that way.

  dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print$2}'

And if that list looks reasonable then purge it.

  dpkg --purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print$2}')

There are fancier ways to do it using fancier tools that are perhaps
more precise and accurate instruments.  Here is my favorite to get the
same list as the above.

  grep-status -sPackage -n -FStatus "deinstall ok config-files"

Bob


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Sticky bit on device files?

[Peter Lebbing]

On 16/02/12 17:54, Rick Thomas wrote:
> 
> I tried it on a couple of Debian Squeeze machines and only saw
> shm d
> Which makes sense.

Correct, that is also what I see on Squeeze boxes.

> What release are you running?

This is on Wheezy (testing). This behaviour is relatively new in testing.

Greets,

Peter.

-- 
I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in combination with Enigmail.
You can send me encrypted mail if you want some privacy.
My key is available at http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~lebbing/pubkey.txt


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d3dca.1040...@digitalbrains.com

Re: Bind errors in syslog

[Bob Proulx]

Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> From time to time, folloing appears in my syslog. Always in pairs,
> always 10 mins apart:
> 
> Feb 16 13:44:41 tony-lx inetd[1870]: tftp/udp: bind: Address already in use
> Feb 16 13:54:41 tony-lx inetd[1870]: tftp/udp: bind: Address already in use
> 
> Any suggestions as to what I can do to track down the cause of these
> messages?

First, look in /etc/inetd.conf for a line configuring tftp. You might
find a line there that looks similar to this:

  tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s 
/var/lib/tftpboot

Then additionally you have probably installed one of the available
tftpd packages in Debian and it started a daemon standalone.

  dpkg -l | grep tftp

For example you may have installed tftpd-hpa.  In which case it is
already running a daemon.

  $ ps -e | grep tftp
   2154 ?00:00:00 in.tftpd

In this case I think you have already been running it standalone so I
would continue with it that way.  The inetd is reporting the error but
it is the "extra" one.  The standalone is running first and the inetd
one can't bind to the port.  The inetd keeps retrying periodically but
it fails since the standalone one is continuing just fine.

Comment that tftp line out of the /etc/inetd.conf and tell inetd to
re-read the file with a SIGHUP.  That should keep things in a
consistent state and stop the messages to the syslog file.

After editing /etc/inetd.conf the inetd needs to be signaled to read
the updated file by sending it a SIGHUP signal.  There are a variety
of methods to do this.  Old timers would 'ps -ef | grep inetd' and
then 'kill -HUP 32768' the proccess id.  Most today would run the init
script 'service openbsd-inetd reload'.  A few would know about the
very spiffy Debian update-inetd command (designed for package postinst
scripts) and would use it to do both at the same time.

  update-inetd --comment-chars '#' --disable tftp

Bob


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Sticky bit on device files?

[Peter Lebbing]

Grepping the debian udev source gives:

udev/udevd.c:
udev/udev-rules.c:
udev/udev-event.c:
/* set sticky bit, so we do not remove the node on module unload */

And in line 426-429 of udev/udev-node.c, version 175-3, function
int udev_node_remove(struct udev_device *dev):

if (stats.st_mode & 01000) {
info(udev, "device node '%s' has sticky bit set, skip removal\n", 
devnode);
goto out;
}

I think the idea is that if a kernel module is unloaded, or perhaps more
generally, on an udev "remove" action, the device file in the /dev directory is
kept. udev_node_remove() is only called from the function
udev_event_execute_rules().

So perhaps the sticky bit means nothing to, say, the kernel, and udev gives its
own purpose and interpretation to it.

But this is conjecture.

Peter.

-- 
I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in combination with Enigmail.
You can send me encrypted mail if you want some privacy.
My key is available at http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~lebbing/pubkey.txt


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d44c0.1040...@digitalbrains.com

Re: free software mini pc

[Joe]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:53:36 -0600
green  wrote:


>  Your message has
> come closest so far to doing that; thanks.

You're welcome, I wish I could offer more hope, but as users of an
operating system most people have never heard of, we get to suck it and
see.

Whichever way you go, I recommend keeping a recent version of Knoppix
handy. A lot of hardware troubles are due, not to missing or inadequate
software, but to limitations in hardware detection in standard Debian.
Knoppix is rightly famous for its hardware handling, and the Debian
installer developers will never have the time to apply the kind of
effort that Herr Knopper expends on this.

A lot of the time, Knoppix will run a 'difficult' bit of hardware, but
using mainstream modules that the Debian installer has not seen the
need for. It is (mostly) then a matter of tweaking the Debian
installation to match.

Joe


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216195018.26d48...@jretrading.com

Re (4): Display on IBM ThinkPad A22m

[peasthope]

From:   Andrei POPESCU 
Date:   Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:26:03 +0200
> On a second thought, maybe you should try again without an xorg.conf.

After removing /etc/xorg.conf and executing startx again, this is the fresh log.
  http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/Xorg.0.log

The lines mentioning the default monitor are gone.  Given the panel resolutions 
specified by IBM, 'Default mode "800x600"' is wrong.  

Regards,   ... Peter E.

-- 
Telephone 1 360 639 0202.  bcc: peasthope ... shaw.ca
"http://carnot.yi.org/ "
"http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary "


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057424.48792.27441@cantor.invalid

Re: free software mini pc

[Joe]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:16:09 +1100
Andrew McGlashan  wrote:

> 
> I had some small ARM machines which worked very well on Lenny, but
> 
> In history, I remember a P133 machine being "quite powerful" and it
> was at the time, 

I had one of the first ARM computers, an Acorn Archimedes running a 4MHz
(!) ARM1 with half a meg of RAM. I remember upgrading to a 12MHz ARM3
and being rather impressed, and also upgrading the RAM to 4MB and
installing a 40MB (yes, 'megabyte') MFM hard drive. The joy of escaping
from floppies! Mind you, the OS was in ROM, so you had the desktop up
within two or three seconds of power-on.

In its 4MHz incarnation, it was (briefly) the fastest PC around,
beating the 16MHz 386 machines of the day.

-- 
Joe


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216201616.62fbd...@jretrading.com

Re: [OT] Re: Installing debian, dual boot on 1 TB disk?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 16/02/12 23:37, ACro wrote:
> Quoting Andrei POPESCU :
> 
>> I'd say Hanlon's Razor explains it better :p
>>
>> "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
>> stupidity."
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrei
> 
> 
> Andrei,
> 
> thanks for replying; yes, you're probably right, and I'm not prone to support
> conspiracy theories. But, de facto:
> 
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5850.html

Theories should not be believed, though factual conspiracies abound. In
this case however...:-
http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/10/23/uefi-headaches-begin-linux
(don't let the title mislead you)

> 
> All the best,
> Andrew
> 
> 
Sorry - if this is just repeating earlier suggestion, but I'm pushed for
time and couldn't locate earlier fragments of this thread.

Have you tried the UEFI install techniques discussed here:-
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting#Install_GRUB2_in_.28U.29EFI_systems


Kind regards

-- 
Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:-
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d6519.8080...@gmail.com

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Harry Putnam]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

[...]

> Unless ifupdown is smart enough (don't know, you have to research this) 
> the "second" DHCP might override the default gateway of the "first"[1]. 
> Assuming you may want to connect other devices to the OpenWrt you 
> probably don't want to tinker with it's DHCP server and should handle 
> this on the client side. Useful reading:

Andrei suggests:
> man interfaces
> man dhcpclient.conf

Thanks.
What you feared above, did seem to be happening.  But aren't you
supposed to be able to set gateway in /etc/network/interfaces?

`man interfaces' seems to indicate that I could by adding a line like
 gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

to an interface.

But:

Stealing an idea from Tom H and Bob P, I find even without setting a
gateway, if I add `auto' to the stanzas it seems to come up like I want
it to, and both interfaces can be start/stopped with
/etc/init.d/networking start/stop

/etc/network/interfaces now looks like this: 
 
  # The loopback network interface
  auto lo
  iface lo inet loopback
  
  # The primary network interface
  allow-hotplug eth0
  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
  
  # a secondary network interface
  allow-hotplug eth1
  auto eth1
  iface eth1 inet dhcp
   
And route -n shows what I wanted to see:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway  Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
0.0.0.0  192.168.1.1  0.0.0.0 UG0  0 0 eth0
192.168.1.0  0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0 eth0
192.168.2.0  0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0 eth1

And it all survives rebooting.

Surprisingly, even when it was coming up with gateway in
192.168.2.0/24 network, it still seemed to work just fine.  Probably
due to having the pet router hooked up with its wan port facing the
subnet 192.168.1.0 lan, and lan port facing subnet 192.168.2.0 

[...]

> BTW, in a similar situation as yours I decided to connect the OpenWrt 
> device (Asus WL 500gP v2) directly to the gateway via one of the 
> "lan"[2] ports and with a static IP in the same subnet. This way I can 
> use it as just another device on my lan and plan to use it as DNS and 
> web server.

Interesting... I thought about trying that hookup at first, before
going the lan wan route on the test router.  I thought it would be
more like a real setup if I had it as transfer point between
192.168.1.0 and 192.168.2.0.

I expect to throw different stuff at it and watch reactions until I
learn enough about openwrt and iptables to trust my self to run my own
router at the main gateway with wan facing cable modem.

> [2] most devices of this type actually implement the "wan" and "lan" via 
> vlans and it's very under OpenWrt to disable this functionality and use 
> the wan port as just another switch port.

Thanks, and vlans is how this one defaults.

Veering a little off topic here but:

I'm curious when you say you are going to be using embedded openwrt on
a router to run a dns server; Do you mean an honest to god real DNS
server running bind/named (or similar).  I did notice that bind
software is available for recent builds of openwrt.

I don't know about it to hazard a guess myself but I guess you don't
think the small amount of available ram will be a factor in a dns
server or web server of your lans' proportions eh?

That would be a very nice kind of server to have... the size of a
smallish book, quiet, no fans running, not much heat... nice. 

I wonder if you'd know if mine could do the same by these two ouputs:

(TP-Link WR1043ND running very recent openwrt Using: 
openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wr1043nd-v1-squashfs-factory.bin)

----   ---=---   -   

/proc/cpuinfo and `free'

cpuinfo
system type : Atheros AR9132 rev 2
machine : TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND
processor   : 0
cpu model   : MIPS 24Kc V7.4
BogoMIPS: 265.42
wait instruction: yes
microsecond timers  : yes
tlb_entries : 16
extra interrupt vector  : yes
hardware watchpoint : yes, count: 4, address/irw mask: [0x, 0x0e50, 
0x0088, 0x0360]
ASEs implemented: mips16
shadow register sets: 1
kscratch registers  : 0
core: 0
VCED exceptions : not available
VCEI exceptions : not available

----   ---=---   -   

free
 total used free   shared  buffers
Mem: 2941618872105440 1440
-/+ buffers:  1743211984
Swap:000


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871upujyv3@newsguy.com

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Harry Putnam]

Tom H  writes:

[...]

Thanks for all those details ... very helpful

[...]

> To use "/etc/init.d/networking", you can either change
> "allow-hotplug" to "auto" (or "allow-auto") or add
> "auto"/"allow-auto" lines to the "allow-hotplug" ones (I've never
> tried the latter but Bob Proulx suggested it recently).

I can verify that it seems to work here:

route -n 

Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
0.0.0.0  192.168.1.  0.0.0.0 UG0  0 0 eth0
192.168.1.0  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0 eth0
192.168.2.0  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0 eth1


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4xuik4j@newsguy.com

Re: Upgrade problem

[Scott Ferguson]

On 17/02/12 02:41, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> According to the manual page, dist-upgrade is alias for full-upgrade.


Yes.
It is a recognised synonym with aptitude - it *also* works with apt.



> 
> Lisi  wrote:
> 



> 
>> Lisi
> 
> 



Kind regards

-- 
Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:-
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d6d7e.1070...@gmail.com

Re: knoppix vs grml (free software mini pi)

[green]

Joe wrote at 2012-02-16 13:50 -0600:
> A lot of the time, Knoppix will run a 'difficult' bit of hardware, but
> using mainstream modules that the Debian installer has not seen the
> need for. It is (mostly) then a matter of tweaking the Debian
> installation to match.

Do you consider Knoppix hardware detection better than in grml?


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: free software mini pc

[Dom]

On 16/02/12 20:16, Joe wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:16:09 +1100
Andrew McGlashan  wrote:



I had some small ARM machines which worked very well on Lenny, but

In history, I remember a P133 machine being "quite powerful" and it
was at the time,


I had one of the first ARM computers, an Acorn Archimedes running a 4MHz
(!) ARM1 with half a meg of RAM. I remember upgrading to a 12MHz ARM3
and being rather impressed, and also upgrading the RAM to 4MB and
installing a 40MB (yes, 'megabyte') MFM hard drive. The joy of escaping
from floppies! Mind you, the OS was in ROM, so you had the desktop up
within two or three seconds of power-on.

In its 4MHz incarnation, it was (briefly) the fastest PC around,
beating the 16MHz 386 machines of the day.


I had one of those Archimedes machines too, great to program, especally 
when the original "Arthur" OS was replaced with the first RISC OS.


Just one small correction, the Archimedes was originally fitted with an 
ARM2 chip. The ARM1 was mostly used in the prototype development 
systems, such as the ARM Co-processor for the BBC micro - which I was 
lucky enough to get my hands on for a while. It was fun to see the 
normal "BBC Computer 32K" message replaced with "Acorn OS 4096K" :-)


It cost around 4000 UKP in those days for the 4MB version.

--
Dom


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d6f41.3090...@rpdom.net

Re: Re (4): Display on IBM ThinkPad A22m

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 11:58:24, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> From: Andrei POPESCU 
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:26:03 +0200
> > On a second thought, maybe you should try again without an xorg.conf.
> 
> After removing /etc/xorg.conf and executing startx again, this is the fresh 
> log.
>   http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/Xorg.0.log
> 
> The lines mentioning the default monitor are gone.  Given the panel 
> resolutions 
> specified by IBM, 'Default mode "800x600"' is wrong.  

Same problem, it's using some default values for the vertical refresh 
and the horizontal sync ranges, which don't match your hardware. I would 
suggest you put the correct ones in a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Panel"
HorizSync   xx-yy
VertRefresh xx-yy
DisplaySize xx yy # optional, the size in mm
EndSection

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 15:40:32, Harry Putnam wrote:
> 
> I'm curious when you say you are going to be using embedded openwrt on
> a router to run a dns server; Do you mean an honest to god real DNS
> server running bind/named (or similar).  I did notice that bind
> software is available for recent builds of openwrt.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/dns.maradns
 
> I don't know about it to hazard a guess myself but I guess you don't
> think the small amount of available ram will be a factor in a dns
> server or web server of your lans' proportions eh?

Actually the size of the lan shouldn't have anything to do with it, but 
rather the expected traffic, which I expect to be very low.

> That would be a very nice kind of server to have... the size of a
> smallish book, quiet, no fans running, not much heat... nice. 
> 
> I wonder if you'd know if mine could do the same by these two ouputs:

The specs are very similar to mine, but you will have to test for 
yourself. I was hoping to be able to use it for internet radio with MPD.
Unfortunately my favorite station is streaming in AAC and the processor 
is not powerful enough, but mp3 streams work great ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Get to the bottom of what is running my networks

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 16 feb 12, 10:43:34, Bob Proulx wrote:
> kei...@strucktower.com wrote:

[snip]

aptitude purge ~c

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Since I've installed Firefox in ~, every update results in a reset

[Merciadri Luca]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

Quite everything is in the title. I'm running Debian Lenny (yes, I
know, time to switch..., but haven't had time yet), and I precedently
installed Firefox in ~/ for various reasons.

The problem is not here. The problem is that every time an update is
done, or even quite often (I don't know if each time this happens this
is an update as it would mean updates are very frequent!) the Firefox
starts as if it was installed for the first time (e.g. no history, no
bookmarks, etc.), except that
1) my plugins/add-ons are still recognized and used,
2) my default webpage (start page) is still OK.

What could explain this problem? Thanks.
- -- 
Merciadri Luca
See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/
- -- 

If all else fails, try the obvious.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 

iEYEARECAAYFAk89c5QACgkQM0LLzLt8Mhx2rgCfQwV7+O9eeGtuhTTfKyf9niDu
LrQAn3fDJnWJGtx8/fzx/OzhLGrkPyFw
=F5Ss
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/87vcn64gob.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA

Re: Since I've installed Firefox in ~, every update results in a reset

[Claudius Hubig]

Merciadri Luca  wrote:
>Quite everything is in the title. I'm running Debian Lenny (yes, I
>know, time to switch..., but haven't had time yet), and I precedently
>installed Firefox in ~/ for various reasons.
>
>The problem is not here. The problem is that every time an update is
>done, or even quite often (I don't know if each time this happens this
>is an update as it would mean updates are very frequent!) the Firefox
>starts as if it was installed for the first time (e.g. no history, no
>bookmarks, etc.), except that
>1) my plugins/add-ons are still recognized and used,
>2) my default webpage (start page) is still OK.

Firefox can be configured to forget history (and maybe bookmarks?) on
exit. Maybe you did configure it this way?

Best regards,

Claudius
-- 
What we Are is God's gift to us.
What we Become is our gift to God.
Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4
http://chubig.net/ http://nightfall.org



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120216231734.31bb2...@ares.home.chubig.net

Re: How to configure two NIC's in Debian 6.0.4 box?

[Miroslav Skoric]

On 02/15/2012 07:25 PM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Miroslav Skoric  wrote:


I wonder what is the best way to reconfigure the NIC's so the old card (now
eth0) boots as eth1, and the new card (now eth1) boots as eth0?


This is done using the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

Just open that in your favorite editor and the format should be
self-explanatory.  Edit that file to taste and reboot.

Good luck!



Thanks, that worked!


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3d8072.7060...@eunet.rs

Re: free software mini pc

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 17/02/2012 4:31 AM, green wrote:

Andrew McGlashan wrote at 2012-02-16 11:16 -0600:

I don't think you can ever rely on a machine having full main line
kernel support one day, still having it 3 or 4 years down the track.


In another message, I just mentioned the desktop to be replaced, which has an
Abit KR7A-133R motherboard and AMD Athlon XP 1900+ processor, both available
over 9 years ago.  This computer is still capable of running squeeze quite
comfortably.


Yes, but a "proper" desktop machine is a completely different beast.

I still think there will be some major improvements in performance cost 
and efficiency in the tiny PC area to come...


--
Kind Regards
AndrewM



--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f3dbb8e.1080...@affinityvision.com.au

Re: Re: rm -rf is too slow on large files and directory structure(Around 30000)

[Christofer C. Bell]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Clive Standbridge
 wrote:
>> But may provide some benefit when removing a large number (3) of
>> files (at least empty ones).
>>
>> cbell@circe:~/test$ time find rm -type f -exec rm {} \;
>>
>> real              0m48.127s
>> user              1m32.926s
>> sys               0m38.750s
>
> First thought - how much of that 48 seconds was spent on launching
> 3 instances of rm? It would be instructive to try
>
>  time find rm -type f -exec rm {} \+
>
> or the more traditional xargs:
>
>  time find rm -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -r rm
>
> Both of those commands should minimise the number of rm instances.
> Similarly for unlink.

Here are the test results:

cbell@circe:~/test$ time find rm -type f -exec rm {} \+

real0m0.953s
user0m0.064s
sys 0m0.884s
cbell@circe:~/test$

cbell@circe:~/test$ time find rm -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -r rm

real0m0.823s
user0m0.080s
sys 0m0.824s
cbell@circe:~/test$

It doesn't seem possible to run a similar test for unlink as it
appears it only operates on 1 file at a time.  So it does seem that rm
with the find and/or xargs options you provided is the best way to go
(at least for this test case).

-- 
Chris


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CAOEVnYuAu8Q7Vh+ECsg=kkmv0j6N3zQqvm=mdg-wz+4qckt...@mail.gmail.com

Re: Sticky bit on device files?

[Rick Thomas]

On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote:


On 16/02/12 17:54, Rick Thomas wrote:


I tried it on a couple of Debian Squeeze machines and only saw
   shm d
Which makes sense.


Correct, that is also what I see on Squeeze boxes.


What release are you running?


This is on Wheezy (testing). This behaviour is relatively new in  
testing.


Greets,

Peter.


OK.  I tried it on one of my Wheezy boxes, I got the same results as  
you.


Your later posting gives an explanation.

Interesting...

Rick


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/55d003c5-1662-487b-9d64-44a994591...@pobox.com