Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[GeraldCC]

On Friday, January 28, 2011 04:24:27 pm Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I would like ask a recommendation  about HDs for Linux, because I use
> Squeeze and don´t want have the same problems that people that bought
> WD20EARS disks, my budget is limited.
> 
> I plan buy one ST32000641AS for my desktop/server and one ST2000DL003 for
> use for backups purpose via an external esata box.
> 
> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with
> squeeze?
> 
> The ST32000641AS is sata3, but will be connected to an sata2 motherboard,
> so, can have any problem for this in Squeeze?
> 
> Thanks for the recommendations
> 
snip
The ST32000641AS is sata3---this will not work in a sata2 board. you will have 
to buy a sata 3 pci-e card to run it.
Sata3 is backwards compatible to sata2 but not the other wat around.
Gerald


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Re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-01-28, T o n g  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:35:31 -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
>
>>> Place this script in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d folder. This causes
>>> Synergy to start as root when the computer boots."
>>> 
>>> This just doesn't work for me. No synergyc in ps when X (re)starts.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way that I can troubleshoot this?
>> 
>> Maybe look in ~/.xsessions-errors.
>
> ~/.xsessions-errors is for a certain user, I am talking about starting an 
> app when X starts, even before a user logs in.
>
>> If that doesn't help, you could run your script manually from an XTerm
>> and see if you get any error messages..?
>
> Forgot to stress that the script works just fine.

The scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ are sourced by Xsession, not
executed. Try sourcing your script from another file and see if it still
works.

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Re: ntp & synaptic

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2011-01-27, Lorenzo Beretta  wrote:
[...]
> About ntp:
> 1) unless you *explicitly* order otherwise, it's meant for *small* clock 
> adjustments, up to a few seconds every day; so you must either force ntp 
> tp accept a big correction, or manually set the time with a decent 
> accuracy and then let ntp sync exactly
> 2) I may be rong about this, but I'm at least 70% sure that no ntp 
> package is installed by default, save maybe ntpdate; if nothing else is 
> installed, you can install any ntp client you choose

If the ntp daemon is already installed, running 'ntpd -q' will do a
one-off time reset. Add the '-g' option for large adjustments.

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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with
> squeeze?

Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause
problems.  OTOH, I doubt anyone tested it with 4096/4096 disks, so make sure
the HD is just 512/4096 (i.e. not native 4096).  I don't think anyone is
selling native 4096-sector disks yet, just ones that emulate 512-byte
sectors on top of the hardware 4096 sectors, so you should be fine.

But if you hated the green drive from WD, why do you think a 5900rpm drive
with a "green" label from any other manufacturer won't be just as bad?  Get
a proper HD without any 'green' labels and with 7200-1rpm if you want
better performance.  Trying to access 2TB with a slow HD must be really
painful.

BTW: when installing to 512/4096 disks (4k sector hardware, but emulated 512
byte sectors in the interface), don't use md raid modes 1.1 or 1.2 without
checking that md didn't destroy the alignment.  Modes 0.9 and 1.0 are safe.

> The ST32000641AS is sata3, but will be connected to an sata2 motherboard,
> so, can have any problem for this in Squeeze?

This is not a safe assumption, you might have problems.  It is supposed to
work, but that kind of assumption dies fast when faced with hardware bugs in
the SATA controllers and/or HDs.

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  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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internet connection tester script

[kellyremo]

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rykHdvBh

bix.hu and www.yahoo.com are "pingable" test sites.
127.0.0.1 could not be pinged [firewall drops all icmp]

i have a "oneliner" that echoes if theres "internet connection or no".
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 
www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || 
echo "no internet connection"
internet connection ok
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 
www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || 
echo "no internet connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 
127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo 
"no internet connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 
>& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no 
internet connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 
www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || 
echo "no internet connection"
internet connection ok
$

Ok!

But: if i want the "oneliner" to only go along when theres internet connection:
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 
1 -c 1 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; 
done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping 
-W 1 -c 1 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; 
done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping 
-W 1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 
1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 
1 -c 1 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; 
done
$ 

It just doesn't work. 

Goal: if theres no internet connection, then the oneliner must loop until there 
is internet connection. if theres internet connection the oneliner ends.

what am i missing?

Re: loud f'ing noise

[Jochen Schulz]

shawn wilson:
> 
> second, where do i find the cause of this alarm? i looked in my the log
> files of when it started (well, kern, messages, syslog) and sent along the
> only thing i saw... now, this was a $400 supermicro motherboard when i
> bought it a few years ago,

I have a Supermicro board as well (X7SPA) and while it doesn't contain a
regular PC speaker, it's got that small, cylindrycal thing on it that
starts beeping unbearably loud for not reason at all. Much like yours.

My guess is that it has something to do with the board losing it's
threshold values for temperature alarms and at the same time
mis-reporting some temps. Take a look here:

http://well-adjusted.de/~jrschulz/gfx/x7spa-temps.png

The sudden jump in week 2 is completely bogus. At the same time,
lm-sensors reports an alarm temperature if 0°C.  I ended up just
disabling the alarm noise with a jumper on the mainboard. Now I am only
notified about this status using a red LED on the case (right next to
power, HD LEDs etc.)

> so i suppose the bios might have a logging
> mechanism (like i've seen on some dells). how would i access that?

You can use lm-sensors to see whether you get erratic temp readings as
well.

> i agree that i should get notified of messed up things. however, if
> something happens (ie, ram issue that ecc catches) i should be notified
> about it and allowed to go about my day. just saying, i think i lost quite a
> bit of sanity listening to that thing for over an hour.

I guess that's the way Supermicro does things. My only solution (apart
from disabling the speaker) is to reboot the machine when it starts to
beep.

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Re: Any package for surveys?

[Robert Bonomi]

> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:08:06 +
> From: elbbit 
> Cc: freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Any package for surveys?
>
> On 27/01/11 17:04, Bill Moran ...
>
> Thank you for taking the time to reply Bill.  I am glad you challenge me. 
>  Someone needs to!
>
> > In response to elbbit :
> >> On 27/01/11 14:41, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >>> Hi Simon,
> >> Thanks for taking the time to reply Andrew.
> >>
> >>> elbbit wrote:
>  I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website 
>  at: http://www.tibble.net/
> 
>  Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!
> >>> Yes, it looks very spammy to me
> >> I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for 
> >> being so uncouth.  I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming for 
> >> teaching me humility.  However, I think the importance of global self 
> >> awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we like to 
> >> know about the problems.  This is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in 
> >> my opinion.  I am here to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world 
> >> will become self-aware in my presence.  It is why I have been born.
> >
> > You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar.
>
> > If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another 
> > thread without changing the subject?
> With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent 
> these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too important 
> to worry about whether or not my particular message fits into a defined 
> category.  

And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get "your"
message out, apparently.  The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for
that equipment and network connectivity, and provide it to others for a
specific use.  You _are_ a thief, and as already stated "a bad liar, and
a delusional dipshit."

Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting services 
provider, Webfusion, Ltd.  


That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them.
Since _you_ believe it is "OK" to inflict your 'important' message on 
those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you 
=cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and
your mailbox.

Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money sharing, 
and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for _you_ not to be 
informed of.

Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to do.

But, then, you're a spammer.  And have just re-proven the validity of
Rule #3, and Kruegers Corrolary thereunto, of the "Rules of Spam".

see: 

So, I guess, it's not _all_ that surprising.




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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Jochen Schulz]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
>> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with
>> squeeze?
> 
> Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause
> problems.

Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual
tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well?

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Re: internet connection tester script

[Mart Frauenlob]

On 28.01.2011 12:28, kellyremo wrote:


http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rykHdvBh

bix.hu and www.yahoo.com are "pingable" test sites.
127.0.0.1 could not be pinged [firewall drops all icmp]

i have a "oneliner" that echoes if theres "internet connection or no".
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 www.yahoo.com >&
/dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no internet connection"
internet connection ok
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 www.yahoo.com
 >& /dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no internet
connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >&
/dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no internet connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 127.0.0.1 >&
/dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no internet connection"
no internet connection
$ ping -W 1 -c 2 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 2 www.yahoo.com >&
/dev/null && echo "internet connection ok" || echo "no internet connection"
internet connection ok
$

Ok!

But: if i want the "oneliner" to only go along when theres internet
connection:
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 1
www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c
1 www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c
1 127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 1
127.0.0.1 >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$ while $TORF; do ping -W 1 -c 1 bix.hu >& /dev/null && ping -W 1 -c 1
www.yahoo.com >& /dev/null && TORF=false || TORF=true; done
$

It just doesn't work.

Goal: if theres no internet connection, then the oneliner must loop
until there is internet connection. if theres internet connection the
oneliner ends.

what am i missing?



until ping -c 1 host &>/dev/null; do echo "offline"; sleep 1; done
while ! ping -c 1 host &>/dev/null; do echo "offline"; sleep 1; done

no need to set the TORF variable. use the exit status of the command.

The while command continuously executes the do list as long as the last 
command in list returns an exit status of zero.

For until it's the other way round.

Best regards

Mart


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Re: Mount all filesystems in fstab, weird problem

[Klistvud]

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 05:32:53 je T o n g napisal(a):

Hi,

Somehow my fstab entries are not all mounted by default:

$ grep -A2 devpts /etc/fstab
devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0622 
0   0
LABEL=cache21 /lfs/cache21 ext3 noauto,user,dev,suid,exec 0 0 #  
/dev/sdb2
LABEL=cache31 /lfs/cache31 ext3 noauto,user,dev,suid,exec 0 0 #  
/dev/sdc1


$ mount | grep cache || echo no found
no found

I.e., the /lfs/cache21 & /lfs/cache31 are listed in fstab, but are not
mounted by default. why?

Moreover, mount --all doesn't work either:

% mount -v -a
mount: proc already mounted on /proc
mount: sysfs already mounted on /sys
mount: devpts already mounted on /dev/pts
nothing was mounted

   -a, --all
  Mount all filesystems (of the given types) mentioned in  
fstab.


FYI, those filesystems can be mouted just fine:

% mount -v /lfs/cache21
/dev/sdb2 on /lfs/cache21 type ext3 (rw)

% mount -v /lfs/cache31
/dev/sdc1 on /lfs/cache31 type ext3 (rw)

So, what could be wrong?

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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Klistvud]

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 09:40:42 je GeraldCC napisal(a):

On Friday, January 28, 2011 04:24:27 pm Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I would like ask a recommendation  about HDs for Linux, because I  
use
> Squeeze and don´t want have the same problems that people that  
bought

> WD20EARS disks, my budget is limited.
>
> I plan buy one ST32000641AS for my desktop/server and one  
ST2000DL003 for

> use for backups purpose via an external esata box.
>
> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems  
with

> squeeze?
>
> The ST32000641AS is sata3, but will be connected to an sata2  
motherboard,

> so, can have any problem for this in Squeeze?
>
> Thanks for the recommendations
>
snip
The ST32000641AS is sata3---this will not work in a sata2 board. you  
will have

to buy a sata 3 pci-e card to run it.
Sata3 is backwards compatible to sata2 but not the other wat around.


Well, they can't both be "backwards" compatible, can they? They are  
"compatible" though, AFAIK. The SATA3 drive will just fall back to an  
older SATA2-compatible operating mode, that's all.


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re: idiot spammers [was: re: Any package for surveys?]

[Miles Fidelman]

Robert Bonomi wrote:

elbbit wrote:
   

I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website
at: http://www.tibble.net/

Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!
 

Yes, it looks very spammy to me
   

But, then, you're a spammer.  And have just re-proven the validity of
Rule #3, and Kruegers Corrolary thereunto, of the "Rules of Spam".

see:
   

and Pickett's Commentary to Krueger's Corrolary :-)

by the way that should be http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtml

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Re: Any package for surveys?

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to reply Robert.  I value your opinion.

> elbbit wrote:
>> I held off writing back because I have just launched a new 
>> website at: http://www.tibble.net/
>> 
>> Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!
> Yes, it looks very spammy to me
 I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded 
 for being so uncouth.  I thank those who encourage me to stop 
 spamming for teaching me humility.  However, I think the 
 importance of global self awareness is too important to worry 
 about whether or not we like to know about the problems.  This 
 is the equivalent of a hit-and-run, in my opinion.  I am here 
 to stay, I am not going anywhere and the world will become 
 self-aware in my presence.  It is why I have been born.
>>> 
>>> You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar.
>> 
>>> If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack 
>>> another thread without changing the subject?
>> With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who 
>> frequent these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is 
>> too important to worry about whether or not my particular message 
>> fits into a defined category.
> 
> And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get 
> "your" message out, apparently.
Hmm.  Stealing.  Taking without consent.  Consent from whom?  The
network operator?  According to the Debian website:
"There are many world-open mailing lists, meaning anyone can read
everything that is posted, and participate in the discussions. Everyone
is encouraged..." - Under the heading Introduction:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

Hmm.  I assumed the service was being offered to me.  If I am wrong, I
would like more people to confirm if Robert is right.

> The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and
Pay... with money... which is a made up idea...

> network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use.
...in this case, communication... which we are doing :-)

> You _are_ a thief, and as already stated "a bad liar, and a 
> delusional dipshit."
My opinion is that according to the instruction provided to it, your
computer did all it can to send me your information.  I did not steal
it.  You gave it to me.  You offered, you know - where you make a motion
towards me?

> Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting 
> services provider, Webfusion, Ltd. 
> 
Yes.  Words.  Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because
something is written in words that it is "right."  My emails challenge that.

> That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by 
> them.
I do not understand this statement.  Please clarify.

> Since _you_ believe it is "OK" to inflict your 'important' message on
> those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you
> =cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and
> your mailbox.
I agree, with everything that is me.  But does this also not apply to
you, also?  I think you have made an error by joining a "world-open
mailing list" if you are unable to tolerate other people's words.

> Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money 
> sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for
> _you_ not to be informed of.
You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are
after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM
machine.  I do not want money.  I do not promote a service or product.
In fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money
altogether.

> Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to 
> do.
Unfortunately, any one who is part of the growing movement realises that
ridicule, torture or even certain death are requirements of changing the
world.  John F. Kennedy, one of your own president's, paid dearly simply
for saying some words.  I say some words, and you too, want to kill me.
 I forgive you for being so misguided.

> But, then, you're a spammer.
Try not to think of me as someone different.  I am someone the same.  I
have two arms, two legs, two eyes, I breathe air, I eat food, I use the
toilet, I have sex - I do all the normal thing you do too.  You and I
are not as different you think.  The only major difference between us
all is how we spend our time.  Hence, I do not think of people in
"groups" or stereotypes.  I see that some people choose to learn about
the world around them, and others do not.  Some people take the word of
others to be the absolute truth - because they trust them.  Who do you
trust?  You certainly don't trust me - and with good cause.  The idea I
suggest (abandoning money) is too big for your brain to comprehend...
not because you lack the processing ability to deal with it, but because
you refuse to think about a world

Re: help

[Robert Blair Mason Jr.]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:03:18 +
Lisi  wrote:

> On Thursday 27 January 2011 02:35:08 Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote:
> > As far as chrome goes, you can easily do this by opening up a terminal
> > (command prompt) and typing:
> >
> > sudo aptitude install chromium-browser
> 
> The OP said that he has installed Lenny.  chromium-browser is not in the 
> Lenny 
> repositories.  When I installed it via Google, just a few weeks ago, it was 
> not even in the Lenny backports.  And it isn't likely to get there now.
> 
> Presumably you, Robert, are using Squeeze or Sid.

I am (actually a dual boot of #!(based on squeeze) and sid) - I just assumed 
that chrome would be in backports.

> So, Padilla, I'm afraid taht you won't be able to install it from teh normal 
> repositories since you say taht you are using Debian 5.  But Google supplies 
> a repository for Chrome that works via aptitude once you have added the 
> repository to you sources list.

We have to remember that he is a newbie, so he may not know how to add 
repositories to sources.list
 
> You probably also don't know what sudo is if you have a vanilla installation 
> of Debian 5 and are a newbie.  So just use su , enter root';s password 
> and you can then use the commands, minus the sudo.

That's true.  However, isn't sudo one of the first packages most people install 
on a fresh installation (other than services, etc)?  Most people I know have 
sudo on their machines...  Well, anyway, we all know what *assume* spells.

I know I'm going to get flack for this... but isn't debian-stable not _really_ 
the best distro for newbies?  Testing seems to be more intended for general 
use, while stable is for systems that *can't* break, servers, etc.  Please 
correct me if I'm mistaken.

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Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> see: 
> I removed the "d".  Not too sure about the flying kids, looks a bit
> porno-related to me.  Hmm, I think it's biased too.  This is just my
> opinion though.
> 

Further to my email earlier, I present to you my logical analysis of
your link, analysed by item:

> Rule #0: Spam is theft.
Mail servers are offering a service.  If you don't want to receive spam
stop offering the service.

> Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit
> from each person on the Internet at once.
Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some
mail for me.

> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
Assumptive.  Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone
for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket.
Assumptions can be wrong as well as right.

> Russel's Admonition: Always assume that there is a measurable chance
> that the entity you are dealing with is a spammer.
Sounds like an instruction.  Maybe, it would be better as a guideline:
"There is a chance a person is attempting to deliver mail, which the
sender may want people to read.  The words contained in the message are
series of numbers and letters which may communicate an idea which you do
not agree with."

> Lexical Contradiction: Spammers will redefine any term in order to
> disguise their abuse of Internet resources.
It is true that some people lie and cheat and say whatever is neccessary
for the own personal gain.  Most of these lies are to do with a personal
motivation to make money.  Money, which is a made up idea.

> Sharp's Corollary: Spammers attempt to re-define "spamming" as that
> which they do not do.
Hmm.  As I continue my analysis it seems that you are defining a
"spammer" as any one who has an idea which you do not like.  Just
because an idea is not to your liking does not mean that it does not exist.

> Finnell's Corollary: Spammers define "remove" as "validate."
Probably true.  Did you ask them?  The have phones and watch YouTube,
just like you do.

> Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1.
I don't understand this one.  You think that because I read it once I
did not absorb the information on your web page into my brain and
compute for myself an assessment of it's content?  Wow.

> Crissman's Corollary: A spammer, when caught, blames his victims.
Well, I'm sure that if no blood is being spilt that forgiveness is
possible.  Maybe you could forgive "spammers" for being so misguided?

> Moore's Corollary: Spammers' lies are seldom questioned by mainstream
> media.
Agreed.  This is probably because both "spammers" (as you define them)
and the "mainstream media" are the same goal -> MONEY.  So, you see, why
don't we just stop using money and maybe some of these problems might go
away?

> Rule #3: Spammers are stupid.
Assumptive.  I think anyone who is able to reverse-engineer a mail
filter is educated enough to know enough about the world in order to
"abuse" it.  If we stop using money, people the make the mail filters
and those who make the "spam" could use their skill differently.

> Krueger's Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid.
Lies always are.  All lies are exposed eventually.

> Pickett's Commentary: Spammer lies are boring.
I disagree.  Some stories are fascinating; they draw you in with a lure
and promise of something great - even if it is just a story.  Like the
story of money.  Of yeah, we made that up didn't we.

> Russell's Corollary: Never underestimate the stupidity of spammers.
If it were my web page (which I don't think it would, but hey, work with
me here), instead of that I would probably write: "Never assume people
spend their time in the same way you do, and accept that people will
choose to do different things with their time."

> Spinosa's Corollary: Spammers assume everybody is more stupid than
> themselves.
Assumptive.  I don't assume, I *KNOW* everybody spends their time
differently.

> Spammer's Standard of Discourse: Threats and intimidation trump facts
> and logic.
Facts and logics: an excellent argument.

> Rule #4: The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt.
Bankrupt... to end a process or time with no money... oh dear.  Not
money again.   Hmm.

> Rules-Keeper Shaffer's Refrain: Spammers routinely prove the Rules of
> Spam are valid.
Humans never cease to amaze me at how wonderful our collective effort
has become.

Simon Tibble
UK

> 
> How are you going to spend your time from now on?
> 
> With the kindest of regards from,
> 
> Simon Tibble
> 74 Park Street
> Mountain Ash
> CF45 3YL
> GREAT BRITAIN
> EUROPE
> THE PLANET EARTH
> THE MILKY WAY
> THE UNIVERSE
> 
> ^^^ Don't you see  we share this planet.  Let's work together to
> make it a better place :-)
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> email: si...@tibble.net   
>>
>> Domain name: TIBBLE.NET
>>
>> Registrant: Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Penrhiwceiber Moun

Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Vu Ngoc VU]

hello,

instead of replacing squeeze by lenny,
you can add identical lines with lenny.

So you have both in sources.list.

At my work, some java programs required version 5 and other version 6.
As sun-java5 is no more on Squeeze, i added Lenny in sources.list and 
then, use :

apt-get install sun-java5-jre

As sun-java5-jre doesn't exist on Squeeze, there is no clue.
But if you want to install some package that have the same name on both 
distros,

you can use option -t with apt-get.

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Re: Remove nvidia driver and reinstall nouveau

[Joe Riel]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:32:02 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2011-01-28 07:12 +0100, Joe Riel wrote:
> 
> > Is there a nice way to remove the nvidia driver and replace
> > it with the nouveau driver (which was originally installed 
> > with Debian squeeze)?  
> 
> If you have used the Debian packages in non-free, definitely.  If you
> have run NVidia's installer, I'm not so sure.  Which method did you
> choose?

I used the Debian packages from non-free.  Presumably I'll need to 
purge those. But do I also have to reconfigure/reinstall the
nouveau driver package?  Since the nvidia package installs a different
kernel, do I have to manually (via aptitude) install a new one, or will
aptitude know to do that?

> > I tried modifying xorg.conf and
> > removing /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf; that
> > partially worked, however, glx didn't work because of the 
> > different kernel installed when nvidia was installed.
> 
> GLX not working has nothing to do with the kernel, it's because the
> nvidia driver installs its own incompatible implementation.
> 
> Sven
> 
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Re: help

[Lisi]

On Friday 28 January 2011 19:33:49 Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote:
> That's true.  However, isn't sudo one of the first packages most people
> install on a fresh installation (other than services, etc)?  Most people I
> know have sudo on their machines...  Well, anyway, we all know what
> *assume* spells.

No - it isn't.  And a newbie certainly would n't have installed it.  He would 
have pu on a standard install.  No sudo.

> I know I'm going to get flack for this... but isn't debian-stable not
> _really_ the best distro for newbies?  Testing seems to be more intended
> for general use, while stable is for systems that *can't* break, servers,
> etc.  Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

On the contrary, in the normal way it is a very good distro for newbies, 
because the keeping it updated is so much easier, and it isn't going to 
break, which both Testing (sometimes) and Sid (often) do.

At this prcise juncture he would ahve been better off installing Squeeze, but 
he is where he is.

I agree that he might have to ask about repositories, but the advice to use an 
application that he hasn't got to install a package that isn't there is 
hardly helpful!  And he can always ask about repositories.  Your assumption 
that he could jusr use backports, without mentioning them, nor giving any 
help with using them, was also hardly helpful for a newbie!!

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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:15, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> From elb...@gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 08:59:21 2011
>>> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
 see: 
>>> Rule #0: Spam is theft.
>> Mail servers are offering a service.  If you don't want to receive >>
spam stop offering the service.
>>> Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little >>>
bit from each person on the Internet at once.
>> Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver
>> some mail for me.
> LIE.
What?  Now you are saying that you didn't offer to send the mail for me?
 You just received THIS email so you are STILL offering the service of
reception to me.

> The mailing list operator offered to deliver mail for a SPECIFIC
> PURPOSE.  You _disregarded_ that purpose.
Please identify the purpose if it is not "discussion."  We are
discussing "spam," are we not?

>>> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>> Assumptive.  Just like when you lose something you assume it may be
>> gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your
>> pocket.  Assumptions can be wrong as well as right.
> Your  are a spammer.
Assumptive.  I could label you back, but I am able to control my emotions.

> you lied. see above.  Q.E.D.
I'm not going to repeat something which has already been done.  This is
the equivalent of making a journey from my office to the mail box twice
just to deliver a single envelope.

> The rest of your 'analysis' simply proves Shar's Commentary.
Who is Shar?  And what did they comment?  A reference please.  I tried a
Google search for this, but it is too vague.

> Enjoy the fruits of your labors.
I don't "work" like you do.  I live in a world without money, without
rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets.  I don't labour
anything - I leisure everything.

Simon


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Re: Any package for surveys?

[Robert Bonomi]

> From elb...@gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 08:33:17 2011
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:24:05 +
> From: elbbit 
> To: Robert Bonomi 
> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org, freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Any package for surveys?
>
> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> Thank you for taking the time to reply Robert.  I value your opinion.

> > elbbit wrote:
> >> I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website 
> >> at: http://www.tibble.net/
> >>
> >> Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!
> > Yes, it looks very spammy to me
>  I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for 
>  being so uncouth.  I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming 
>  for teaching me humility.  However, I think the importance of global 
>  self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we 
>  like to know about the problems.  This is the equivalent of a 
>  hit-and-run, in my opinion.  I am here to stay, I am not going 
>  anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence.  It is 
>  why I have been born.
> >>>
> >>> You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar.
> >>
> >>> If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another 
> >>> thread without changing the subject?
> >> With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent 
> >> these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too 
> >> important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits 
> >> into a defined category.
> >
> > And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get
> > "your" message out, apparently.
> Hmm.  Stealing.  Taking without consent.  Consent from whom?  The network 
> operator?  According to the Debian website: "There are many world-open 
> mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and 
> participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged..." - Under the 
> heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

Yes, *STEALING*.  When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list owner/
operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin *unrelated*
to that purpose, you _are_ stealing.

> Hmm.  I assumed the service was being offered to me.  If I am wrong, I 
> would like more people to confirm if Robert is right.
>
> > The people who run the mailing lists _pay_ for that equipment and
> Pay... with money... which is a made up idea...
>
> > network connectivity, and provide it to others for a specific use.
> ...in this case, communication... which we are doing :-)
>
> > You _are_ a thief, and as already stated "a bad liar, and a delusional 
> > dipshit."
> My opinion is that according to the instruction provided to it, your 
> computer did all it can to send me your information.  I did not steal it. 
>  You gave it to me.  You offered, you know - where you make a motion 
> towards me?

> > Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting 
> > services provider, Webfusion, Ltd.
> > 
> Yes.  Words.  Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because 
> something is written in words that it is "right."  My emails challenge 
> that.

You _agreed_, _contractually_, to abide by those 'words' when you signed
up for services with that provider.  They 'took your word' that you were
telling the truth.  Do not be surprised if you find that they choose not
to do any further business with you when they find out you -lied- to them.
>
> > That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them.
> I do not understand this statement.  Please clarify.
>
> > Since _you_ believe it is "OK" to inflict your 'important' message on 
> > those you do not know, and who have _not_ consented to hear it, you 
> > =cannot= object if the 'world' decides to do the same to _you_ and your 
> > mailbox.
> I agree, with everything that is me.  But does this also not apply to 
> you, also?  I think you have made an error by joining a "world-open 
> mailing list" if you are unable to tolerate other people's words.
>
> > Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money 
> > sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for
> > _you_ not to be informed of.
> You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are 
> after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM 
> machine.  I do not want money.  I do not promote a service or product. In 
> fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money 
> altogether.

So What?  If you believe you can decide what is 'appropriate' for for _my_
mail box, others can do the same for *yours*.

> > Annoying people who *run* mail-servers is a _really_ stupid thing to 
> > do.
> Unfortunately, any one who is part of the growing movement realises that 
> ridicule, torture or even certain death are requirements of changing the 
> world.  John F. Kennedy, o

Re: help

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 28 ian 11, 16:13:49, Lisi wrote:

+1

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RE: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Gary Gatten]

OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this worthless 
thread? And now the debian list too?  That's great...

Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.  You are 
right, all others are wrong.  Please go away.  Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to 
a more receptive audience, such as your stuffed toy animals.  You know, the 
ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live?

Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.  Have a great 
life.

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Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Vu Ngoc VU wrote:

instead of replacing squeeze by lenny,
you can add identical lines with lenny.

So you have both in sources.list.

At my work, some java programs required version 5 and other version 6.
As sun-java5 is no more on Squeeze, i added Lenny in sources.list and 
then, use :

apt-get install sun-java5-jre

As sun-java5-jre doesn't exist on Squeeze, there is no clue.
But if you want to install some package that have the same name on both 
distros, you can use option -t with apt-get.


If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in 
squeeze too?


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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote:
> 
Oh dear.

> OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this 
> worthless thread?
Hmm.  Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance.  Hmm.
This thread was started by me.  Now let me see, yes, I still have my
arms and legs.  Which must logically mean I have substance.  And I have
spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and
embracing it.  From all the information I have learnt about life and
other people, I believe I have substance.  And, as a result, my
creations (my emails) are born from that substance.  I forgive you.

> And now the debian list too?  That's great...
I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting:
forgetting money.

> Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.
You are incorrect.  I am the same as everyone else, just as you are.

> You are right, all others are wrong.
Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong.  Instead, try to
realise the truth: people spend their time differently.  Your brain is
only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on
that information, you make decisions.

> Please go away.
You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not
silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us.

> Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to a more receptive audience,
I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe
even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves.  These are
the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others
who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind.  Just
as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind.

> such as your stuffed toy animals.
I don't own any, though my woman has a few.  It's a girl thing I think.

> You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live?
I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my
life.  Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and
learn new information.

> Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.
I am not superior.  I have spent my time differently.

> Have a great life.
I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better.

> "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient
> and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential.
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that
> any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email
> and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited.  If you have 
> received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender
> by return email and delete this email from your system."
 ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain,
once I have read them?

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Re: Remove nvidia driver and reinstall nouveau

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-01-28 16:26 +0100, Joe Riel wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:32:02 +0100
> Sven Joachim  wrote:
>
>> On 2011-01-28 07:12 +0100, Joe Riel wrote:
>> 
>> > Is there a nice way to remove the nvidia driver and replace
>> > it with the nouveau driver (which was originally installed 
>> > with Debian squeeze)?  
>> 
>> If you have used the Debian packages in non-free, definitely.  If you
>> have run NVidia's installer, I'm not so sure.  Which method did you
>> choose?
>
> I used the Debian packages from non-free.  Presumably I'll need to 
> purge those.

Removing them should suffice, since you have already taken out the
blacklist entry that nvidia-kernel-common has installed.

> But do I also have to reconfigure/reinstall the
> nouveau driver package?

No.

> Since the nvidia package installs a different
> kernel, do I have to manually (via aptitude) install a new one, or will
> aptitude know to do that?

Hm?  The nvidia packages do not install kernels, they only install
_modules_ for your kernel(s).  Those should be harmless, since the
nvidia module is not autoloaded unless you also use the nvidia X driver.

>> > I tried modifying xorg.conf and
>> > removing /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf; that
>> > partially worked, however, glx didn't work because of the 
>> > different kernel installed when nvidia was installed.
>> 
>> GLX not working has nothing to do with the kernel, it's because the
>> nvidia driver installs its own incompatible implementation.

It seems that the packaging of the nvidia stuff has changed in the last
ten months, and you need to remove the libgl{1,x}-nvidia-alternatives
packages to restore the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so and
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 files that these packages divert.

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Re: GMail backup on debian

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Mathieu Malaterre
 wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Sarunas Burdulis
>  wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 01/17/2011 04:45 AM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>>   Last week I decided to back up some of my mails from my gmail
>>> account. I remember that there used to be gmailfs mechanism for this.
>>> However the package is not available on my debian/squeeze anymore.
>>>   I also tried using the imap service, using evolution, but it became
>>> quickly a nightmare (it is just impossible to retrieve just a single
>>> mail). I even selected 'Basic Headers' from the IMAP headers
>>> preferences in evolution.
>>>
>>>   What are other people using when there gmail mailbox is becoming big ?
>>>
>>> Thanks !
>>
>> I use Thunderbird with several IMAP accounts, including Gmail. Moving
>> mail is usually a matter of drag'n'drop. I use Thunderbird's Local
>> Folders to copy mail into local MBX files for backups and personal archives.
>
> Just FYI, I finally decided to use thunderbird/icedove ... and it
> worked like a charm (well it is *much* faster) ! I do not know why
> evolution is so slow (this is the same DSL connection)...
>
> Thunderbird was a blast to configure (assuming you know your gmail
> adress...), and the only other configurations I used are described at:
>
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78892
>
> eg: browser.cache.memory.capacity & mail.server.default.fetch_by_chunks

Just for reference I gave up on icedove/thunderbird, it would simply
sit, do nothing and fill up 38% of my 4Gb memory for downloading a
folder of ~4000 messages.
I gave up on firefox/iceweasel a couple of weeks ago for chromium for
the exact same reason.

I am giving imapsync a try.

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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Chris Brennan]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, elbbit  wrote:

> I don't "work" like you do.  I live in a world without money, without
> rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets.  I don't labour
> anything - I leisure everything.
>

So Simon, you must be the poor man I pass on the street every day and give
Quarters to for coffee?

Here is a label for you to chew on YOU ARE A SPAMMER! *THIS* list is for
FreeBSD-related questions not for you to shove your inflammatory words down
our throats. You've made your point, now please go away. No one *ON THIS
LIST* wants to read your words, we no longer care about your opinion or what
it means because you clearly don't care about our opinion for you to change
the subject and get on a topic for this list.

Speaking of topics ... just because a mailing list is open for you to send
mail to DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SPAM IT WITH NONSENSE! freebsd-questions
has a purpose and it would be wise for you to adhere to it, there are also
rules of etiquette which you should also adhere to.

Each piece of mail you have sent has been reported to your ISP/Carrier. Each
piece of mail you continue to send will lodge you yet another complaint. I
will continue to do this till I piss your ISP/Carrier off SO bad, they are
left with two choices  nullroute me or deal with you  since I have
many thousands of domains at my disposal, I think, from a business
perspective, they will choose to cut you off, cold-turkey then deal w/ the
technical resources required to continue to block me, also if enough other
people from both the freebsd and debian lists complain, your ISP/Carrier may
even choose to seek legal action from you. You *are* in violation of your
agreement, a legally binding contract in your country of origin and the
ISP/Carrier.

Simon, do not reply, we no longer wish to here your dribble and we
so desperately wish for you to crawl back into the hole whence you came.

Re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/27/2011 10:59 PM, T o n g wrote:

Hi,

Anywhere I can read more about /etc/X11/Xsession.d?

I want to use it to start an app when X starts, synergyc to be exact,
following the steps from
http://tacticalcoder.com/blog/2009/05/using-synergy-software-kvm-with-osx-
and-linux/

"The ubuntu community documentation has instructions on setting up the
client to automatically start. They can be found here. In a nutshell you
make a script. . . Name this script 12synergy and make it executable.
Place this script in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d folder. This causes Synergy
to start as root when the computer boots."

This just doesn't work for me. No synergyc in ps when X (re)starts.


I don't use ubuntu.  In debian, for years now, anything I want to have 
start up in X I put in .xinitrc like this


synergys --config ~/.synergy.conf --restart &
iceweasel &
icedove &
conky &

Note: I start x with startx, and use fluxbox WM.

HTH

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Re: Any package for surveys?

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:26, Robert Bonomi wrote:

Robert, I appreciate you taking the time to reply.  I am not the only
one who is interested in this argument.

>>> elbbit wrote:
 I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website 
 at: http://www.tibble.net/

 Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!
>>> Yes, it looks very spammy to me
>> I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for 
>> being so uncouth.  I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming 
>> for teaching me humility.  However, I think the importance of global 
>> self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we 
>> like to know about the problems.  This is the equivalent of a 
>> hit-and-run, in my opinion.  I am here to stay, I am not going 
>> anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence.  It is 
>> why I have been born.
>
> You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar.

> If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another 
> thread without changing the subject?
 With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent 
 these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too 
 important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits 
 into a defined category.
>>>
>>> And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get
>>> "your" message out, apparently.
>> Hmm.  Stealing.  Taking without consent.  Consent from whom?  The network 
>> operator?  According to the Debian website: "There are many world-open 
>> mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and 
>> participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged..." - Under the 
>> heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
> 
> Yes, *STEALING*.  When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list owner/
> operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin *unrelated*
> to that purpose, you _are_ stealing.

I would like to invite the mail list administrator to participate in
this discussion (if desired) and clarify for all whether this argument
is "OK."  If it is not "OK," I request some clarification.

>>> Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting 
>>> services provider, Webfusion, Ltd.
>>> 
>> Yes.  Words.  Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because 
>> something is written in words that it is "right."  My emails challenge 
>> that.
> 
> You _agreed_, _contractually_, to abide by those 'words' when you signed
> up for services with that provider.  They 'took your word' that you were
> telling the truth.  Do not be surprised if you find that they choose not
> to do any further business with you when they find out you -lied- to them.

In fact, I did not agree to that.  The agreement is between me and
another company who I obtain the service from.  Obviously, the company
you mention are the ones who provide the actual service, and the brand I
used is clearly a middle-man.  If they are in violation, I do not know
about it.  Still, this is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with my
ability to post to these lists.

>>> That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them.
>> I do not understand this statement.  Please clarify.
You didn't clarify.

>>> Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money 
>>> sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for
>>> _you_ not to be informed of.
>> You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are 
>> after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM 
>> machine.  I do not want money.  I do not promote a service or product. In 
>> fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money 
>> altogether.
> 
> So What?  If you believe you can decide what is 'appropriate' for for _my_
> mail box, others can do the same for *yours*.
No, that's not what I am saying.  Everyone has the right to control what
appears in their mail box.  Only by raising awareness of the possibility
that a world without money can exist will it ever come to fruition, and
by speaking or writing to others on this planet I am able to let them
know they can still educate themselves.

>>> But, then, you're a spammer.
>> Try not to think of me as someone different.
> 
> You _are_ different.  *PROVEN* by your actions.
I am the same as you.  We are both sending mail to these lists, and we
are discussing.  Your actions are not that different from mine.

> And someone I do -not_ care to associate with.
Then don't reply to my emails.

>>   I am someone the same. 
> Demonstratably incorrect.
Thank you for teaching me to expand the context of my sentences.  I
value when people teach me the error of my ways, and I do not see it as
damaging to my ego.  Instead, I feel enlightened, knowing full wel

Re: gdm and /etc/X11/Xsession.d

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 03:44:29PM +, T o n g wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:27:32 +, T o n g wrote:
> 
> >>> Forgot to stress that the script works just fine.
> >> 
> >> The scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ are sourced by Xsession, not
> >> executed. Try sourcing your script from another file and see if it
> >> still works.
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > Yes, it still works. What else can I troubleshoot this?
> 
> Just realized that it's more a gdm issue than a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ 
> issue, because further troubleshooting reveals that none of the files 
> under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ are executed when gdm starts X.
> 
> Is it so? Can somebody confirm this? 
> 
> What should I do to start an app when X starts, which is started by gdm, 
> even before a user logs in?
> 
I'm not sure if this helps, but there is /etc/gdm/PreSession.
Presumably you can also have a user-specific version of this file.

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2.6.30 x86 kernel

[Paul Scott]

How do I get a Debian 2.6.30 x86 kernel which may be the latest kernel 
on which my Orinoco Silver wireless card works for secured access points?


TIA,

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Re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d

[T o n g]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:12:41 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:

> Note: I start x with startx, and use fluxbox WM.

Me too.

> In debian, for years now, anything I want to have start up in X I put in
> .xinitrc like this
> 
> synergys --config ~/.synergy.conf --restart & 
> . . . 

what if you want the synergy to control another machine? I.e., how do you 
setup the client side?

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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:50, Chris Brennan wrote:

Chris: thank you for your reply.

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, elbbit  wrote:
>> I don't "work" like you do.  I live in a world without money, 
>> without rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets.  I 
>> don't labour anything - I leisure everything.
> 
> So Simon, you must be the poor man I pass on the street every day
> and give Quarters to for coffee?

No.  I don't need money.  You guys really don't get it do you?  That
there exists a man, somewhere on the internet, who logs on, learns
information, does what he wants, without being told what to do, and eats
enough food that I am actually putting weight on!  I have megabit
bandwidth good enough for YouTube and I am very content.

> Here is a label for you to chew on YOU ARE A SPAMMER!
I forgive you for being misguided.

> *THIS* list is for FreeBSD-related questions not for you to shove 
> your inflammatory words down our throats.
The primary reason I included freebsd-questions is that I was once a
member of that community, and whilst I still code in BSD when it floats
around my Wi-Fi I am not an overly active participate at the moment.  My
second reason is that during my "subscribed" time on the list I found
the members to be very highly knowledgeable, in fact, my opinion is that
the BSD's have some of the world's greatest technological minds
associated with them.  If you understand the significance of the world I
am writing about, and that it is possible, maybe you will understand why
I am attempting to reach those who could have the maximum effect.  Only
by applying our minds to the our situation will we be able to move forward.

> You've made your point, now please go away. No one *ON THIS LIST* 
> wants to read your words, we no longer care about your opinion or 
> what it means because you clearly don't care about our opinion for 
> you to change the subject and get on a topic for this list.
I understand your frustration.  However, I am asking if you know of any
way in which we can move the world forward using free software as a
means?  You, me, the world, we are all here together, and a global
awakening is happening.  If it is not me it will be someone else, sooner
or later.

> Speaking of topics ... just because a mailing list is open for you
> to send mail to DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SPAM IT WITH NONSENSE!
I forgive you.  The combination of words that I am currently writing
into Thunderbird which will move through the system to your screen and
into your consciousness for you to make a decision on what combination
of words to write back... can be "spam" for you, or "idea" to another.

> freebsd-questions has a purpose and it would be wise for you to 
> adhere to it,
I am no wiser than you.  Nobody has once yet said "oh, yeah, you reckon
you can change the world then, yeah, well, what do you reckon is gonna
replace money?"

Instead, all I see is bickering over whether or not I am "permitted" to
send mail to you.  If we can work together on this problem, we will find
the solution.

> there are also rules of etiquette which you should also adhere to.
Please direct me to etiquette, in particular, to the part which you feel
I have not adhered to.

> Each piece of mail you have sent has been reported to your 
> ISP/Carrier.
I understand that you are more motivated to forward mail with many key
strokes instead of a single push of "DELETE."

> Each piece of mail you continue to send will lodge you yet another 
> complaint.
I forgive you for being so misguided.

> I will continue to do this till I piss your ISP/Carrier off SO bad, 
> they are left with two choices  nullroute me or deal with you
I forgive you.  I do not know what the ISP will do, nor do I know if
they will forgive you.

>  since I have many thousands of domains at my disposal, I think, 
> from a business perspective, they will choose to cut you off,
You are not superior to me, and you are not inferior to me.  We are the
same, as humans.

> cold-turkey then deal w/ the technical resources required to
> continue to block me, also if enough other people from both the
> freebsd and debian lists complain, your ISP/Carrier may even choose
> to seek legal action from you.
I do not fear the truth.  I am merely expressing an opinion.  I am
allowed to have an opinion, am I not?

> You *are* in violation of your agreement, a legally binding contract
> in your country of origin and the ISP/Carrier.
You may not know this for sure, because my agreement may even be verbal.

> Simon, do not reply, we no longer wish to here your dribble and we
> so desperately wish for you to crawl back into the hole whence you 
> came.
I came from my mother, just as you came from yours.  I am not sorry you
are unable to accept that my opinion differs from yours, and I hope that
we resolve this.

Simon

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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
> >> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with
> >> squeeze?
> > 
> > Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause
> > problems.
> 
> Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual
> tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well?

The installer, but get RC2 or newer.  And up-to-date squeeze.

fdisk will do the right thing, IF you press "u" and "c" first, to switch
off the dos-brain-hemorrage default mode, and change to sectors.
Alternatively, run it with fdisk -c -u.

parted will do the right thing AFAIK, at least on DOS disklabels.

cfdisk, I don't know.  Switch to sector mode, and see whether it wants
to create partitions at multiples of 2048 (i.e. 1MB) or not.

cryptsetup does a 1:1 linear map, so it doesn't change alignment.

I just checked mdadm source, and it aligns nicely on all metadata
formats when creating a new array.  It uses 1MB alignment when needed
(formats 1.1 and 1.2).  So, I stand corrected (I previously claimed
mdadm would screw up the alignment on formats 1.1 and 1.2).

lvm, well... it is actually pvcreate that is a problem.  I am not sure
it autodetects anything, you probably have to give it the proper
--dataalignment option, but at least now it has that easy-to-use option
and you don't have to play games with metadatasize.

And nothing does anything sensible as far as alignment goes on GPT
labels, last time I checked.

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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Alfonso Ruiz wrote:
> > >> The ST2000DL003 is 4096 bytes per sector, can this have problems with
> > >> squeeze?
> > > 
> > > Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause
> > > problems.
> > 
> > Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual
> > tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well?
> 
> The installer, but get RC2 or newer.  And up-to-date squeeze.
> 
> fdisk will do the right thing, IF you press "u" and "c" first, to switch
> off the dos-brain-hemorrage default mode, and change to sectors.
> Alternatively, run it with fdisk -c -u.
> 
> parted will do the right thing AFAIK, at least on DOS disklabels.
> 
> cfdisk, I don't know.  Switch to sector mode, and see whether it wants
> to create partitions at multiples of 2048 (i.e. 1MB) or not.
> 
> cryptsetup does a 1:1 linear map, so it doesn't change alignment.
> 
> I just checked mdadm source, and it aligns nicely on all metadata
> formats when creating a new array.  It uses 1MB alignment when needed
> (formats 1.1 and 1.2).  So, I stand corrected (I previously claimed
> mdadm would screw up the alignment on formats 1.1 and 1.2).
> 
> lvm, well... it is actually pvcreate that is a problem.  I am not sure
> it autodetects anything, you probably have to give it the proper
> --dataalignment option, but at least now it has that easy-to-use option
> and you don't have to play games with metadatasize.
> 
> And nothing does anything sensible as far as alignment goes on GPT
> labels, last time I checked.

Ah, and mkfs.xfs and mke2fs will also align the filesystem properly to
_software_ RAID arrays (including stripe size, etc).  They could do so on
hardware raid too, but I doubt any of the hardware raid drivers export the
needed ioctls.  For SSDs, make sure you are using a stripe size that is a
multiple of the erase block size (it _can_ be the same size as the erase
block as well).

For hardware raid, you will need to align the filesystems manually (stripe
size and stride), but the partitions will be properly aligned as long as you
use a stripe size no bigger than 1MB in the RAID.  I don't think our
installer does something smart here, you may need to create the filesystems
manually if you want to optimize them for a hardware raid array.

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Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Jochen Schulz]

Andrew McGlashan:
> Vu Ngoc VU wrote:
>> 
>> As sun-java5-jre doesn't exist on Squeeze, there is no clue.
>> But if you want to install some package that have the same name on
>> both distros, you can use option -t with apt-get.
> 
> If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in
> squeeze too?

Probably because it isn't supported upstream anymore:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/

| Java SE 5.0 is in its Java Technology End of Life (EOL) transition
| period. The EOL transition period began April 8th, 2007 and will
| complete October 8th, 2009, when Java SE 5.0 will have reached its End
| of Service Life (EOSL).

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Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4d42f1db.4050...@affinityvision.com.au>, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in
>squeeze too?

No longer supported upstream.  No volunteers have stepped forward to maintain 
it.  Debian is a volunteer organization, so usually the reason something is 
"missing" is that no volunteer labor is available.

There are also some minimal quality standards.  There might have been a 
volunteer, but their work was below those standards either due to lack of time 
or skill.
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Re: Remove nvidia driver and reinstall nouveau

[Joe Riel]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:02:50 +0100
Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2011-01-28 16:26 +0100, Joe Riel wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:32:02 +0100
> > Sven Joachim  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2011-01-28 07:12 +0100, Joe Riel wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Is there a nice way to remove the nvidia driver and replace
> >> > it with the nouveau driver (which was originally installed 
> >> > with Debian squeeze)?  
> >> 
> >> If you have used the Debian packages in non-free, definitely.  If
> >> you have run NVidia's installer, I'm not so sure.  Which method
> >> did you choose?
> >
> > I used the Debian packages from non-free.  Presumably I'll need to 
> > purge those.
> 
> Removing them should suffice, since you have already taken out the
> blacklist entry that nvidia-kernel-common has installed.
> 
> > But do I also have to reconfigure/reinstall the
> > nouveau driver package?
> 
> No.
> 
> > Since the nvidia package installs a different
> > kernel, do I have to manually (via aptitude) install a new one, or
> > will aptitude know to do that?
> 
> Hm?  The nvidia packages do not install kernels, they only install
> _modules_ for your kernel(s).  Those should be harmless, since the
> nvidia module is not autoloaded unless you also use the nvidia X
> driver.

Thanks, I got confused by the name: nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64.
I assumed that was a kernel rather than a kernel module.

> It seems that the packaging of the nvidia stuff has changed in the
> last ten months, and you need to remove the
> libgl{1,x}-nvidia-alternatives packages to restore
> the /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
> and /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 files that these packages divert.



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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4d42d7a4.3010...@gmail.com>, elbbit wrote:
>> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>>> see: 
>> 
>> I removed the "d".  Not too sure about the flying kids, looks a bit
>> porno-related to me.  Hmm, I think it's biased too.  This is just my
>> opinion though.
>
>Further to my email earlier, I present to you my logical analysis of
>your link, analysed by item:

Independent of the validity of your analysis, it is very much exactly how I 
would expect a SPAMmer to respond to that document.

I thought your post mentioning your voting site was off-topic, but it wasn't 
really SPAM because it wasn't trying to get $$$ from me.  Both off-topic and 
SPAM messages are inappropriate for the list, so I'm not surprised that you 
are getting some flak.

Avoid posting off-topic messages in the future to avoid the backlash you 
received this time.
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Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.  
Installing the driver with ndiswrapper seemed to work fine.


ifup wlan0 fails to get a connection.

syslog just echoes the failure to get a working lease.

TIA for any ideas,

Paul Scott



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Re: Recommendation for buy Hardware

[Jochen Schulz]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
>>> 
>>> Squeeze tries to align everything to 1MB boundaries, so it shouldn't cause
>>> problems.
>> 
>> Do you refer to the installer only, or does that apply to the usual
>> tools (parted/cfdisk, LVM, cryptseup) as well?
> 
> The installer, but get RC2 or newer.  And up-to-date squeeze.
>
> [… snipped tons of useful info]

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Klistvud]

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.   
Installing the driver with ndiswrapper seemed to work fine.


ifup wlan0 fails to get a connection.

syslog just echoes the failure to get a working lease.

TIA for any ideas,

Paul Scott


The way wireless is configured in Debian, ifup won't get you anywhere  
by itself -- unless you edit your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly.  
You have to tinker with iwlist, iwconfig (and ESSID) to make it work.  
It's perhaps wiser to use a desktop environment and network-manager  
which should manage connections automatically (well, at least it should  
display the available wireless networks for you, so you can at least  
see that your wireless card is working).


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Re: Any package for surveys?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <4d42f987.9050...@gmail.com>, elbbit wrote:
>> Yes, *STEALING*.  When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list 
owner/
>> operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin 
*unrelated*
>> to that purpose, you _are_ stealing.
>
>I would like to invite the mail list administrator to participate in
>this discussion (if desired) and clarify for all whether this argument
>is "OK."  If it is not "OK," I request some clarification.

The mailing list administrators have already provided guidelines for the 
list usage.  They appear at .  Of 
particular importance are two sections: Code of conduct 
 and Debian mailing 
list advertising policy 

From the Coc:
"...off-topic messages [...] are not welcome."
"Do not send spam; see the advertising policy below."
"Make sure that you are using the proper list."

The advertising policy defines "spam" as: "any kind of unsolicited bulk 
email"

The topic for debian-user@l.d.o can be found on 
 and is listed as: "Help and 
discussion among users of Debian".

That's fairly broad.  It can certainly be argued that you are within 
that definition: I am a user of Debian, you and I are engaged in a 
discussion, assuming you are also a user of Debian then your message was 
near the beginning of a "discussion among users of Debian".

Still, I did find your message off-topic based on my less broad (and a 
bit subjective) topic that I've observed being used on the list.
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Re: /etc/X11/Xsession.d

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 12:54 PM, T o n g wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:12:41 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:


Note: I start x with startx, and use fluxbox WM.


Me too.


In debian, for years now, anything I want to have start up in X I put in
.xinitrc like this

synergys --config ~/.synergy.conf --restart&
. . .


what if you want the synergy to control another machine? I.e., how do you
setup the client side?



I used it to control a PIC Programmer on a XP laptop.  I had the laptop 
start synergy on turn on.


I never used it linux to linux but would do it the same way.  IIRC I 
googled synergy and picked up examples from there.


Wayne


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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 11:57 AM, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.  
Installing the driver with ndiswrapper seemed to work fine.


ifup wlan0 fails to get a connection.

syslog just echoes the failure to get a working lease.

TIA for any ideas,

Paul Scott


The way wireless is configured in Debian, ifup won't get you anywhere 
by itself -- unless you edit your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly. 
You have to tinker with iwlist, iwconfig (and ESSID) to make it work. 
It's perhaps wiser to use a desktop environment and network-manager 
which should manage connections automatically (well, at least it 
should display the available wireless networks for you, so you can at 
least see that your wireless card is working).


I have iface wlan0 net dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces

I also have wicd installed and it doesn't see any wireless networks.  
wicd.log log says:

Unable to autoconnect

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Klistvud]

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 20:23:40 je Paul Scott napisal(a):
for you, so you can at least see that your wireless card is working).


I have iface wlan0 net dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces

I also have wicd installed and it doesn't see any wireless networks.   
wicd.log log says:

Unable to autoconnect


I've never used wicd, but what do 'iwconfig' and 'iwlist scanning' say?

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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 02:23 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 11:57 AM, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.
Installing the driver with ndiswrapper seemed to work fine.

ifup wlan0 fails to get a connection.

syslog just echoes the failure to get a working lease.





I have iface wlan0 net dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces

I also have wicd installed and it doesn't see any wireless networks.


Which wicd files do you have installed?


wicd.log log says:
Unable to autoconnect


I also use wicd.  Here is the interfaces file

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
  up route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo
  down route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo

Wicd will not work with a wlan0 entry or an eth0 entry in the interfaces 
file.


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf  wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.

If you are trying to connect to a secure AP you will also have to
install the wpasupplicant package and configure it as well.

HTH

Wayne


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Re: looking for a clock, minimum and can play sound

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:02:13 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

(sorry for resurrecting this thread. I know is a bit old but I remembered 
the subject and thought the additional information could help the OP)

> Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:06:30 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello. I am looking for an count-down clock. Features are:
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> If you find no aplication that suits your needs, may I suggest a "do-
>> it-yourself" work? :-)
>> 
>> Dialog (command line ncurses scripting) and xdialog (GUI) can help you
>> here. It's very easy to use and just basic bash programming skills
>> needed.
>> 
>> Some tutotials with usage samples:
>> 
>> 
> If you get the source of dialog then you will find plenty of examples in
> the 'samples' dir.
> 
> Funny that you mentioned 'dialog': I just had a run-in with it. I wrote
> an app. in 2005 to use the '--form' option of it to fill out a form and
> pass the data to a daemon. Come to find out that my dialog script no
> longer worked: I got a -1 rc and the message  'Expected 8 parameters and
> found only 3'. That message was not very helpful so I got the source and
> modified 'dialog.c' to show *what* parameters it found. Turned out that
> dialog got tripped up by blanks in the form labels. But how come it ever
> worked?

Yep, I also have some scripts that used the ncurses "dialog" and you can 
expect some changes between versions (some bugs are fixed and you have to 
adjust your old code to get the same job done) :-)

Anyway, I've been recently working on a "enhanced" version of one of that 
scripts (now using "zenity" instead "dialog") and had to add kinda 
count-down to monitor the time a job gets done. I put here the code excerpt 
(is a very short piece of text) just in case the OP is still in the need of 
a simple counter (I guess it can be easily adapted to be run with "dialog"):


#!/bin/sh

# A simple count-down with progress bar
# that plays a sound alert once it's over

# Countdown start time (in seconds)
timer=30

# Sound file to play
sound="/usr/share/sounds/ekiga/voicemail.wav"

pbar=0
factor=$(echo "scale=2; 100/$timer" | bc)

(
for (( i=$timer; i>=0; i--)); do
echo $pbar;
echo "#Countdown: $timer seconds left"; timer=$((timer-1)); pbar=$(echo 
"scale=2; $pbar+$factor" | bc); sleep 1;
done;
aplay $sound 2>&1
) | 
zenity \
--progress \
--auto-close \
--title="Countdown" \
--text="Countdown: $timer seconds left"

if [ $? = 1 ]; then exit; fi
exit


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aptitude update 255 exit status, no errors/warnings

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

Attempting my usual aptitude update and package download today:

aptitude update && aptitude -dy full-upgrade

... I noticed that the full-upgrade didn't run.

Checking aptitude's exit status, I found it was '255', though no errors
were displayed.

Neither strace nor '-v' options (tried multiple to 4-5) provide any more
illumination.  I'll omit strace here, but -v output is:

# aptitude -v update; echo "Status: $?"
.
.
.
Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free amd64
Packages/DiffIndex 
Fetched 5,406 B in 13s (407 B/s)


Current status: 0 broken [+0], 77
updates [+0], 16521 new [+0]


Trying apt-get, however, gives:

# apt-get update
.
.
.
Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release  Unable to find 
expected entry  main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed 
Release file?)

W: Failed to fetch 
http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unreleased/Release  Unable to find 
expected entry  main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed 
Release file?)

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones 
used instead.

(I'd added the debian-ports archive a week or so back to try to install
a package since removed from the main archive).

Obvious short-term fix is to remove debian-ports from
/etc/apt/sources.list, but it would seem aptitude's error handling
should also be improved.

Anything else I should note before filing a bug?

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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 12:58 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:23 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 11:57 AM, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.

I have iface wlan0 net dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces

removed


I also have wicd installed and it doesn't see any wireless networks.


Which wicd files do you have installed?


wicd.log log says:
Unable to autoconnect


I also use wicd.  Here is the interfaces file

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
  up route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo
  down route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo

Wicd will not work with a wlan0 entry or an eth0 entry in the 
interfaces file.


Ok.



Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf  wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I am now looking at this.  In the past wicd would show me the available 
access points and I would then modify the entry with password, etc.




If you are trying to connect to a secure AP you will also have to
install the wpasupplicant package and configure it as well.


I have that

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: aptitude update 255 exit status, no errors/warnings

[Sven Joachim]

On 2011-01-28 21:07 +0100, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:

> Attempting my usual aptitude update and package download today:
>
> aptitude update && aptitude -dy full-upgrade
>
> ... I noticed that the full-upgrade didn't run.
>
> Checking aptitude's exit status, I found it was '255', though no errors
> were displayed.
>
> Neither strace nor '-v' options (tried multiple to 4-5) provide any more
> illumination.  I'll omit strace here, but -v output is:
>
> # aptitude -v update; echo "Status: $?"
> .
> .
> .
> Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free amd64
> Packages/DiffIndex 
> Fetched 5,406 B in 13s (407 B/s)  
>   
> 
> Current status: 0 broken [+0], 77
> updates [+0], 16521 new [+0]
>
>
> Trying apt-get, however, gives:
>
> # apt-get update
> .
> .
> .
> Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to
> find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file
> (malformed Release file?)
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unreleased/Release Unable to
> find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file
> (malformed Release file?)
>
> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old 
> ones used instead.
>
> (I'd added the debian-ports archive a week or so back to try to install
> a package since removed from the main archive).
>
> Obvious short-term fix is to remove debian-ports from
> /etc/apt/sources.list, but it would seem aptitude's error handling
> should also be improved.
>
> Anything else I should note before filing a bug?

This has been reported already: http://bugs.debian.org/563887.
Unfortunately, aptitude's main (i.e. only) developer seems to have
disappeared. :-(

Sven


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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 12:58 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:23 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 11:57 AM, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.

Which wicd files do you have installed?


All of them



wicd.log log says:
Unable to autoconnect


I also use wicd.  Here is the interfaces file

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
  up route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo
  down route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo

Wicd will not work with a wlan0 entry or an eth0 entry in the 
interfaces file.


Ok.  removed


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf  wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I have not had to do this directly before.  Usually wicd shows me the 
available SSIDs and then I can do the configuration from the GUI.


I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



If you are trying to connect to a secure AP you will also have to
install the wpasupplicant package and configure it as well.

HTH

Wayne





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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 03:27 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 12:58 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:23 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 11:57 AM, Klistvud wrote:

Dne, 28. 01. 2011 19:46:46 je Paul Scott napisal(a):

Hi,

I have a Trendnet TEW-421PC which has a Realtek 8185 chipset.

Which wicd files do you have installed?


All of them



wicd.log log says:
Unable to autoconnect


I also use wicd. Here is the interfaces file

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
up route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo
down route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev lo

Wicd will not work with a wlan0 entry or an eth0 entry in the
interfaces file.


Ok. removed


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I have not had to do this directly before. Usually wicd shows me the
available SSIDs and then I can do the configuration from the GUI.


I had to play with those for a day before I could get my interface to work.



I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185   return??


Wayne


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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 01:48 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

(snip)


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I have not had to do this directly before. Usually wicd shows me the
available SSIDs and then I can do the configuration from the GUI.


I had to play with those for a day before I could get my interface to 
work.


Ok.  I'll try some more here.




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185   return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and 
cfg80211 loaded.


Thanks,

Paul




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Re: 2.6.30 x86 kernel

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 28 ian 11, 10:31:54, Paul Scott wrote:
> How do I get a Debian 2.6.30 x86 kernel which may be the latest
> kernel on which my Orinoco Silver wireless card works for secured
> access points?

snapshot.debian.org, but that kernel does not have security updates...

Regards,
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Re: aptitude update 255 exit status, no errors/warnings

[Dr. Ed Morbius]

on 21:24 Fri 28 Jan, Sven Joachim (svenj...@gmx.de) wrote:
> On 2011-01-28 21:07 +0100, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> 
> > Attempting my usual aptitude update and package download today:
> >
> > aptitude update && aptitude -dy full-upgrade
> >
> > ... I noticed that the full-upgrade didn't run.
> >
> > Checking aptitude's exit status, I found it was '255', though no errors
> > were displayed.
> 
> This has been reported already: http://bugs.debian.org/563887.
> Unfortunately, aptitude's main (i.e. only) developer seems to have
> disappeared. :-(

Thanks, I've updated the bug with my info.

That's somewhat troubling WRT the dev.

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Re: 2.6.30 x86 kernel

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 02:24 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Vi, 28 ian 11, 10:31:54, Paul Scott wrote:
   

How do I get a Debian 2.6.30 x86 kernel which may be the latest
kernel on which my Orinoco Silver wireless card works for secured
access points?
 

snapshot.debian.org, but that kernel does not have security updates...
   


Thanks.  I'll keep working on another solution.

Paul




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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 01:48 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

(snip)


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I have not had to do this directly before. Usually wicd shows me the
available SSIDs and then I can do the configuration from the GUI.


I had to play with those for a day before I could get my interface to
work.


Ok. I'll try some more here.




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185 return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and
cfg80211 loaded.


OK, the module is not loaded.

Now do
modprobe rtl8185   and repeat the lsmod check.

  If lsmod still shows nothing it means the module isn't loading,no 
matter what ndiswrapper said. You may have to go to the realtek site to 
get the linux drivers and compile them yourself.  This may not be the 
end of your troubles.  I don't know, but doubt, there are any firmware 
modules for the 8185 included in the firmware-realtek package as there 
is no driver in the current kernel.  Check the realtek site for firmware 
while you are there.


Good Luck!!

Wayne


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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 02:33 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185 return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and
cfg80211 loaded.


OK, the module is not loaded.

Now do
modprobe rtl8185   and repeat the lsmod check.

  If lsmod still shows nothing it means the module isn't loading,no 
matter what ndiswrapper said. You may have to go to the realtek site 
to get the linux drivers and compile them yourself.  This may not be 
the end of your troubles.  I don't know, but doubt, there are any 
firmware modules for the 8185 included in the firmware-realtek package 
as there is no driver in the current kernel.  Check the realtek site 
for firmware while you are there.


I started with instructions to install the correct driver with ndiswrapper

I had the impression that the rtl8180 driver would work.

I'll try the ndiswrapper install of the driver again.

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 02:43 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:33 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185 return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and
cfg80211 loaded.


OK, the module is not loaded.

Now do
modprobe rtl8185   and repeat the lsmod check.

  If lsmod still shows nothing it means the module isn't loading,no 
matter what ndiswrapper said. You may have to go to the realtek site 
to get the linux drivers and compile them yourself.  This may not be 
the end of your troubles.  I don't know, but doubt, there are any 
firmware modules for the 8185 included in the firmware-realtek 
package as there is no driver in the current kernel.  Check the 
realtek site for firmware while you are there.


I started with instructions to install the correct driver with 
ndiswrapper


I had the impression that the rtl8180 driver would work.

I'll try the ndiswrapper install of the driver again.


ndiswrapper says net8185 is already installed.

http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x suggests that rtl8180 is the module for 
rtl8185


Paul




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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 01:48 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

(snip)


Instead you have to configure the /etc/wicd/*.conf files
manager-settings.conf wired-settings.conf wireless-settings.conf
they each have a man page.


I have not had to do this directly before. Usually wicd shows me the
available SSIDs and then I can do the configuration from the GUI.


I had to play with those for a day before I could get my interface to
work.


Ok. I'll try some more here.




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.



Paul

Check this out.


Wayne


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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 04:51 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:43 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:33 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185 return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and
cfg80211 loaded.


OK, the module is not loaded.

Now do
modprobe rtl8185 and repeat the lsmod check.

If lsmod still shows nothing it means the module isn't loading,no
matter what ndiswrapper said. You may have to go to the realtek site
to get the linux drivers and compile them yourself. This may not be
the end of your troubles. I don't know, but doubt, there are any
firmware modules for the 8185 included in the firmware-realtek
package as there is no driver in the current kernel. Check the
realtek site for firmware while you are there.


I started with instructions to install the correct driver with
ndiswrapper

I had the impression that the rtl8180 driver would work.

I'll try the ndiswrapper install of the driver again.


ndiswrapper says net8185 is already installed.

http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x suggests that rtl8180 is the module for
rtl8185



Ok.  Is this a USB dongle or a card?

if the (dongle or card) was installed when you booted the box then do

dmesg |grep -A3 -B3 8180and report back what it shows

then do
grep /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules  and lets see that.

Wayne



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APC ES-550 almost works perfectly

[Curt Howland]

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Hi. First, this is on up-to-date Sid.

I bought an APC ES-550 battery backup from Office Depot, since the 
power in this thrice-damned mud hole is the worst of any place I've 
ever lived, and that includes the brown-outs of California after 
2000.

Anyway, it almost works perfectly. The unit physically works just 
fine, the apcupsd is (as far as I can tell) configured correctly, it 
shuts down the system I have on it in good order, but the shutdown 
command to the UPS itself never completes. The UPS doesn't 
deactivate, so the monitor I have plugged into it will totally drain 
the battery if power fails and I'm not around to push the on-off 
button myself.

Does anyone else have this model, is there any special configuration 
you did to make it work?

Curt-



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Re: Any package for surveys?

[Daniel Andersson]

On 01/28/2011 06:14 PM, elbbit wrote:

On 28/01/11 16:26, Robert Bonomi wrote:

Robert, I appreciate you taking the time to reply.  I am not the only
one who is interested in this argument.


elbbit wrote:

I held off writing back because I have just launched a new website
at: http://www.tibble.net/

Wait!  Don't go!  This isn't spam!   Please!  Just listen!

Yes, it looks very spammy to me

I sent similar emails to other lists and was promptly scalded for
being so uncouth.  I thank those who encourage me to stop spamming
for teaching me humility.  However, I think the importance of global
self awareness is too important to worry about whether or not we
like to know about the problems.  This is the equivalent of a
hit-and-run, in my opinion.  I am here to stay, I am not going
anywhere and the world will become self-aware in my presence.  It is
why I have been born.


You are a delusion dipshit, and a bad liar.



If you feel so righteous about your cause, why did you hijack another
thread without changing the subject?

With all the respect that is due to you, and all others who frequent
these mailing lists, I feel the topic of global voting is too
important to worry about whether or not my particular message fits
into a defined category.


And you think it's OK to *STEAL* other people's resources to get
"your" message out, apparently.

Hmm.  Stealing.  Taking without consent.  Consent from whom?  The network
operator?  According to the Debian website: "There are many world-open
mailing lists, meaning anyone can read everything that is posted, and
participate in the discussions. Everyone is encouraged..." - Under the
heading Introduction: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/


Yes, *STEALING*.  When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list owner/
operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin *unrelated*
to that purpose, you _are_ stealing.


I would like to invite the mail list administrator to participate in
this discussion (if desired) and clarify for all whether this argument
is "OK."  If it is not "OK," I request some clarification.


Doing what you did is *expressly* against The AUP of your hosting
services provider, Webfusion, Ltd.


Yes.  Words.  Somehow, it is commonly accepted that just because
something is written in words that it is "right."  My emails challenge
that.


You _agreed_, _contractually_, to abide by those 'words' when you signed
up for services with that provider.  They 'took your word' that you were
telling the truth.  Do not be surprised if you find that they choose not
to do any further business with you when they find out you -lied- to them.


In fact, I did not agree to that.  The agreement is between me and
another company who I obtain the service from.  Obviously, the company
you mention are the ones who provide the actual service, and the brand I
used is clearly a middle-man.  If they are in violation, I do not know
about it.  Still, this is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with my
ability to post to these lists.


That said, you've _made_ your rules, and now *you8 get to live by them.

I do not understand this statement.  Please clarify.

You didn't clarify.


Russian brides, pharmaceutcals, watches, lottery winnings, money
sharing, and whatever else people decide is 'too important' for
_you_ not to be informed of.

You see, the people who raise awareness of their product or service are
after one thing - to increase the number which is displayed on their ATM
machine.  I do not want money.  I do not promote a service or product. In
fact, I promote an IDEA - the notion that we can abandon money
altogether.


So What?  If you believe you can decide what is 'appropriate' for for _my_
mail box, others can do the same for *yours*.

No, that's not what I am saying.  Everyone has the right to control what
appears in their mail box.  Only by raising awareness of the possibility
that a world without money can exist will it ever come to fruition, and
by speaking or writing to others on this planet I am able to let them
know they can still educate themselves.


But, then, you're a spammer.

Try not to think of me as someone different.


You _are_ different.  *PROVEN* by your actions.

I am the same as you.  We are both sending mail to these lists, and we
are discussing.  Your actions are not that different from mine.


And someone I do -not_ care to associate with.

Then don't reply to my emails.


   I am someone the same.

Demonstratably incorrect.

Thank you for teaching me to expand the context of my sentences.  I
value when people teach me the error of my ways, and I do not see it as
damaging to my ego.  Instead, I feel enlightened, knowing full well that
I am now aware of what I was doing wrong, and I can make a change inside
of me.


Simon





What the hell?

Start your own thread next time elbitt. This is not what I wanted to 
discuss with this thread.


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Re: GMail backup on debian

[Steven Rosenberg]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Mathieu Malaterre <
mathieu.malate...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Just for reference I gave up on icedove/thunderbird, it would simply
> sit, do nothing and fill up 38% of my 4Gb memory for downloading a
> folder of ~4000 messages.
> I gave up on firefox/iceweasel a couple of weeks ago for chromium for
> the exact same reason.
>
>
I need to deal with a very dodgy IMAP server for one of my mail accounts,
and I tried Icedove, Evolution and Claws in Debian Squeeze. I expected Claws
to do the best, but Icedove seems to handle this terrible server better than
the other two by far.

Re: Remove nvidia driver and reinstall nouveau

[Steven Rosenberg]

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Joe Riel  wrote:

> Is there a nice way to remove the nvidia driver and replace
> it with the nouveau driver (which was originally installed
> with Debian squeeze)?
>
> I tried modifying xorg.conf and
> removing /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf; that
> partially worked, however, glx didn't work because of the
> different kernel installed when nvidia was installed.
>
>
I did this a number of times in Fedora recently. My method was:

1) remove package for proprietary driver

2) delete xorg.conf

3) reboot

I could be wrong, but the Nouveau driver should still be there.

Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 19:16, Chris Brennan wrote:
> Off-list, BCC to postmaster@freebsd and debian lists
Unfortunately, I think it is best if people see what you are saying.
Read on for further understanding.

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, elbbit  wrote:
>> On 28/01/11 16:50, Chris Brennan wrote:
>> I am very content.
> Then be content to find the right forum, this isn't the right one.
Could you be kind enough to indicate where the correct forum would be?
According to the advice offered to me by the Zeitgeist Movement (a large
collection of people) any forum is suitable for this issue.

>> I forgive you for being misguided.
> Eff you and your insufferable forgiveness. I do not forgive you, I don't
> care to forgive you and I most certainly do not want your forgiveness.
I forgive you all the same.

>> I understand your frustration.  However, I am asking if you know of any
>> way in which we can move the world forward using free software as a
>> means?  You, me, the world, we are all here together, and a global
>> awakening is happening.  If it is not me it will be someone else, sooner
>> or later.
> Your in insufferable miscreant bastard, suck on that label.
I forgive you again.

>> I forgive you.  The combination of words that I am currently writing
>> into Thunderbird which will move through the system to your screen and
>> into your consciousness for you to make a decision on what combination
>> of words to write back... can be "spam" for you, or "idea" to another.
> Spam is the abuse of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast
> media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages
> indiscriminately. ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic))
Thank you for the reference to the definition.  I peruse it at my leisure.

>> I am no wiser than you.  Nobody has once yet said "oh, yeah, you reckon
>> you can change the world then, yeah, well, what do you reckon is gonna
>> replace money?"
> I have a baseball bat that would love to teach you wisdom. BATTERS UP!
I am showing the people who are aware of this discussion what you have
implied.  I forgive you for being so misguided.  I do know if my family
would be able to forgive, though, in the event anything may come of this.

>> Instead, all I see is bickering over whether or not I am "permitted" to
>> send mail to you.  If we can work together on this problem, we will find
>> the solution.
> I'll give you something to bicker over you child.
I forgive you.  For the record, I am aged 30 years.

>> Please direct me to etiquette, in particular, to the part which you feel
>> I have not adhered to.
> The mighty internet is at your fingertips, or so you have claimed, the
> information is readily there, GO LOOK IT UP!
I request the same from yourself, only, whilst I will check your
reference to the definition of SPAM, I ask that you search for the
Zeitgeist Movement, and learn a little bit about the cause of my motivation.

>> I understand that you are more motivated to forward mail with many key
>> strokes instead of a single push of "DELETE."
> You'll care, once you can no longer send e-mail.
I forgive you for wanting to treat me this way.  Others will see how you
are treating me and judge for themselves if they approve of your
character or not.

>> I forgive you for being so misguided.
> Let me be more plain, FUCK YOU
Oh dear.  I forgive you.  I have hope for you.

>> I forgive you.  I do not know what the ISP will do, nor do I know if
>> they will forgive you.
> FUCK YOU AGAIN!!
I forgive you.

>> You are not superior to me, and you are not inferior to me.  We are the
>> same, as humans.
> WHO FUCKING CARES!! I DON'T!!
Are you saying that you don't care for other humans?

>> I do not fear the truth.  I am merely expressing an opinion.  I am
>> allowed to have an opinion, am I not?
> No you are not you little cock-sucker, talk about freebsd on this list and
> you'll be surprised how receptive we are, talk about this dribble and all
> you do is piss us off.
I forgive you.  I think there are some who are watching this discussion
and I further think we both have a feeling that some people may have
been swayed by my argument.  But - this is not a question of who is
right or who is wrong, who has more supporters or what not: it is more
of a chance crossing of two humans expressing themselves.

>> I came from my mother, just as you came from yours.  I am not sorry you
>> are unable to accept that my opinion differs from yours, and I hope that
>> we resolve this.
> I DON'T WANT YOUR RESOLUTION, I WANT YOU TO GO THE FUCK AWAY!
Now that you have enabled me to create such a heated debate in front of
all these mailing list users, I am welcoming you to the possibility that
a world without money is coming.  People are searching, people are
learning, people are starting to understand our collective problem.
Only by addressing the root cause will we be able to create a better
world for ourselves.

> DO NOT REPLY.
Unfortunately, nei

Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 03:00 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 04:51 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:43 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

On 01/28/2011 02:33 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:

On 01/28/2011 04:03 PM, Paul Scott wrote:




I have the feeling that something is broken at a lower level.

I will try adding the ESSID to wireless-settings.conf



What does
lsmod |grep 8185 return??


Nothing.

lsmod |grep 8180 shows modules rtl8180, mac80211, eeprom_93cx6, and
cfg80211 loaded.


OK, the module is not loaded.

Now do
modprobe rtl8185 and repeat the lsmod check.

If lsmod still shows nothing it means the module isn't loading,no
matter what ndiswrapper said. You may have to go to the realtek site
to get the linux drivers and compile them yourself. This may not be
the end of your troubles. I don't know, but doubt, there are any
firmware modules for the 8185 included in the firmware-realtek
package as there is no driver in the current kernel. Check the
realtek site for firmware while you are there.


I started with instructions to install the correct driver with
ndiswrapper

I had the impression that the rtl8180 driver would work.

I'll try the ndiswrapper install of the driver again.


ndiswrapper says net8185 is already installed.

http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x suggests that rtl8180 is the module for
rtl8185



Ok.  Is this a USB dongle or a card?


A card.


if the (dongle or card) was installed when you booted the box then do

dmesg |grep -A3 -B3 8180and report back what it shows

[4.183887] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[4.183964] hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected
[4.337038] ata1.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1600BEVE-00A0HT0, 11.01A11, max 
UDMA/100

[4.337060] ata1.00: 312581808 sectors, multi 0: LBA48
[4.337204] ata1.00: limited to UDMA/33 due to 40-wire cable
[4.353649] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/33
[4.354542] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA  WDC WD1600BEVE-0 
11.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5

--
[4.528608] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/33
[4.529921] scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROMTEAC CD-W28E  
7.1B PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[4.604788] firewire_core: created device fw0: GUID 39236436, 
S400
[4.656302] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 312581808 512-byte logical blocks: (160 
GB/149 GiB)

[4.656716] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[4.656735] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[4.656901] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: 
enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA

--
[   61.432514] pci :06:00.0: supports D1 D2
[   61.432524] pci :06:00.0: PME# supported from D1 D2 D3hot D3cold
[   61.432536] pci :06:00.0: PME# disabled
[   61.956826] rtl8180 :06:00.0: enabling device ( -> 0003)
[   61.956873] rtl8180 :06:00.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKA] -> GSI 11 
(level, low) -> IRQ 11

[   61.956915] rtl8180 :06:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[   62.517325] phy2: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel'
[   62.525592] phy2: hwaddr 00:14:d1:e0:8d:4f, RTL8185vD + rtl8225z2
[   99.520439] UDF-fs: No VRS found




then do
grep /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules  and lets see that. 


# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8185 (rtl8180)

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Realtek 8185 chipset problem

[Paul Scott]

On 01/28/2011 02:51 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:




Paul

Check this out.
 



I have just installed it.  So far no help.  No rtl8185 so far.  I will 
look further.


Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Any package for surveys?

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 22:30, Daniel Andersson wrote:
> On 01/28/2011 06:14 PM, elbbit wrote:
>> On 28/01/11 16:26, Robert Bonomi wrote:


> What the hell?
> 
> Start your own thread next time elbitt. This is not what I wanted to 
> discuss with this thread.
> 
> /Daniel

Thank you for taking the time to give us your view.

Talking about spam is not what I wanted either.  I wanted to talk about
the fact that everyone is invited to vote on any issue at any time, and
retain the ability to change their mind at any time.  If you back track
the thread you will find that others chose to decide to talk about spam.

I invite anyone to talk about the possibilities that may present
themselves in such a survey software like the one I have begun to
develop.  What are the implications of everyone voting?  What security
measures should we take to safeguard the data set?  What about validity
of results - should fresh opinion be requested from users who give their
vote or would it be best if older votes on a particular subject where to
"die off" from inactivity?

I would like any help the community feels it can offer, even if this is
in the form of ridicule and slander - and I understand *in advance* that
this is necessary in order to develop an idea so profound that I endure
the comments in order to achieve.

Simon


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Re: Any package for surveys?

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 19:02, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <4d42f987.9050...@gmail.com>, elbbit wrote:
>>> Yes, *STEALING*.  When you 'hijack' the resources the mailing-list 
> owner/
>>> operator has provided _for_a_specific_purpose_, for somethin 
> *unrelated*
>>> to that purpose, you _are_ stealing.
>>
>> I would like to invite the mail list administrator to participate in
>> this discussion (if desired) and clarify for all whether this argument
>> is "OK."  If it is not "OK," I request some clarification.
> 
> The mailing list administrators have already provided guidelines for the 
> list usage.  They appear at .  Of 
> particular importance are two sections: Code of conduct 
>  and Debian mailing 
> list advertising policy 
> 
> From the Coc:
> "...off-topic messages [...] are not welcome."
> "Do not send spam; see the advertising policy below."
> "Make sure that you are using the proper list."
> 
> The advertising policy defines "spam" as: "any kind of unsolicited bulk 
> email"
> 
> The topic for debian-user@l.d.o can be found on 
>  and is listed as: "Help and 
> discussion among users of Debian".
> 
> That's fairly broad.  It can certainly be argued that you are within 
> that definition: I am a user of Debian, you and I are engaged in a 
> discussion, assuming you are also a user of Debian then your message was 
> near the beginning of a "discussion among users of Debian".
> 
> Still, I did find your message off-topic based on my less broad (and a 
> bit subjective) topic that I've observed being used on the list.

Thank you Boyd.  I am doing the best I can to bring the discussion back
to the topic of surveys.

Simon


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Quiet option for ifup/ifdown (dhcp)

[James Robertson]

I am sharpening up my boot screen on Debian Sid using an
lsb-base-logging.sh script which works well.

However when dhclient runs, which I believe is called by ifup and
ifdown it outputs dhclient details to stout and makes my "pretty"
screen not so pretty.

dhclient has a quiet option but because ifup/ifdown calls it I haven't
been able overide this.

Obviously this is purely aesthetic and affects nothing important on
the system but if anyone has a suggestion I would appreciate it.

Regards,

James


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apache2 ftp password

[Russell L. Harris]

For the purpose of web site development and testing, I installed
apache2 as a local http server on another machine in the LAN.  

The default web page directory is /var/www .  Of course, this
directory is owned by root.

I would like to use an ftp client such as ncftp or lftp to upload web
pages to the local server, just as I would upload pages to the server
of a commercial hosting outfit.  But I do not wish to use the root
password for this purpose, even within the protected environment of
the LAN.

Where in the apache configuration may this password be set?  And is
there any difference between the account/password for the apache
administrator and the account/password of non-anonymous apache users?

I have not encountered this question before, inasmuch as the web
hosting outfit simply provides me with an administrator password.

RLH


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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: elb...@gmail.com
>To: ggat...@waddell.com
>Subject: Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:43:12 +
>
>>On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote:
>>> 
>>Oh dear.
>>
>>> OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this 
>>> worthless thread?
>>Hmm.  Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. 
>Hmm.
>>This thread was started by me.  Now let me see, yes, I still have my
>>arms and legs.  Which must logically mean I have substance.  And I
>have
>>spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and
>>embracing it.  From all the information I have learnt about life and
>>other people, I believe I have substance.  And, as a result, my
>>creations (my emails) are born from that substance.  I forgive you.
>>
>>> And now the debian list too?  That's great...
>>I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting:
>>forgetting money.
>>
>>> Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.
>>You are incorrect.  I am the same as everyone else, just as you are.
>>
>>> You are right, all others are wrong.
>>Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong.  Instead, try to
>>realise the truth: people spend their time differently.  Your brain
>is
>>only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based
>on
>>that information, you make decisions.
>>
>>> Please go away.
>>You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not
>>silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around
>us.
>>
>>> Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to a more receptive audience,
>>I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread,
>maybe
>>even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves.  These
>are
>>the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst
>others
>>who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. 
>Just
>>as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left
>behind.
>>
>>> such as your stuffed toy animals.
>>I don't own any, though my woman has a few.  It's a girl thing I
>think.
>>
>>> You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you
>live?
>>I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with
>my
>>life.  Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions
>and
>>learn new information.
>>
>>> Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.
>>I am not superior.  I have spent my time differently.
>>
>>> Have a great life.
>>I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even
>better.
>>
>>> "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended
>recipient
>>> and may contain information that is privileged and/or
>confidential.
>>> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
>that
>>> any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this
>email
>>> and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited.  If you have 
>>> received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender
>>> by return email and delete this email from your system."
>> ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my
>brain,
>>once I have read them?
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>elbbit
>>
I too am tired of this tripe.  However, in a world without money, how
do you pay your ISP?
L
>>
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Re: apache2 ftp password

[Wayne Topa]

On 01/28/2011 06:53 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote:

For the purpose of web site development and testing, I installed
apache2 as a local http server on another machine in the LAN.

The default web page directory is /var/www .  Of course, this
directory is owned by root.

I would like to use an ftp client such as ncftp or lftp to upload web
pages to the local server, just as I would upload pages to the server
of a commercial hosting outfit.  But I do not wish to use the root
password for this purpose, even within the protected environment of
the LAN.

Where in the apache configuration may this password be set?  And is
there any difference between the account/password for the apache
administrator and the account/password of non-anonymous apache users?

I have not encountered this question before, inasmuch as the web
hosting outfit simply provides me with an administrator password.

RLH



Maybe apt-cache search htaccess would help?

Wayne


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RE: APC ES-550 almost works perfectly

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: howl...@priss.com
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: APC ES-550 almost works perfectly
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:41:53 -0500
>
>>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>Hash: SHA1
>>
>>Hi. First, this is on up-to-date Sid.
>>
>>I bought an APC ES-550 battery backup from Office Depot, since the 
>>power in this thrice-damned mud hole is the worst of any place I've 
>>ever lived, and that includes the brown-outs of California after 
>>2000.
>>
>>Anyway, it almost works perfectly. The unit physically works just 
>>fine, the apcupsd is (as far as I can tell) configured correctly, it
>
>>shuts down the system I have on it in good order, but the shutdown 
>>command to the UPS itself never completes. The UPS doesn't 
>>deactivate, so the monitor I have plugged into it will totally drain
>
>>the battery if power fails and I'm not around to push the on-off 
>>button myself.
>>
>>Does anyone else have this model, is there any special configuration
>
>>you did to make it work?
>>
>>Curt-
>>
>>
Curt
I have two of these, one installed in a Debian Lenny system and one
on my wife's Win machine.  Both seem to work fine.  I also used
APCUPSD.  I'm not at the office but if you would like, I'll send you
my config file next Monday.
Larry
>>
>>- -- 
>>Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end,
>>for they do so with the approval of their consciences.
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 29/01/11 00:38, ow...@netptc.net wrote:

>>>
>>> elbbit
>>>
> I too am tired of this tripe.  However, in a world without money, how
> do you pay your ISP?
> L
Thank you for asking L.  I do not pay for access to the internet; it is
provided to me for free.  It is unrestricted to the point of speed
allowed by the distance between me and the nearby radio transceiver.

I know what you are going to assume: "oh right. hmm. well everyone has
to pay for internet access, everyone knows that, well, this man must be
stealing internet access"

Try to accept that people are starting to work together to bring a new
world without finance.

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Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Andrew McGlashan:

If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in
squeeze too?


Probably because it isn't supported upstream anymore:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/

| Java SE 5.0 is in its Java Technology End of Life (EOL) transition
| period. The EOL transition period began April 8th, 2007 and will
| complete October 8th, 2009, when Java SE 5.0 will have reached its End
| of Service Life (EOSL).


Okay, but can't it be supported as a "legacy" package?  Once Lenny goes 
beyond support (12 months after squeeze release), then how will anyone 
be able to install it via apt-get / aptitude in a sane way?


Bring it across, but put a nice little disclaimer (as per above) that 
the package is no longer supported, but also include that it is provided 
"as is" for those that _may_ still need it for some reason or another.


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Re: Quiet option for ifup/ifdown (dhcp)

[David Parker]

> dhclient has a quiet option but because ifup/ifdown calls it I haven't
> been able overide this.

ifup must get called from a script, so you could probably just edit the script 
and suppress the output from ifup.

- Dave

Re: java 5 in squeeze

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 28 January 2011 20:24:01 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > Andrew McGlashan:
> >> If sun-java5 continues to be important, then why not have a port in
> >> squeeze too?
> > 
> > Probably because it isn't supported upstream anymore:
> > 
> > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/
> > 
> > | Java SE 5.0 is in its Java Technology End of Life (EOL) transition
> > | period. The EOL transition period began April 8th, 2007 and will
> > | complete October 8th, 2009, when Java SE 5.0 will have reached its End
> > | of Service Life (EOSL).
> 
> Okay, but can't it be supported as a "legacy" package?  Once Lenny goes
> beyond support (12 months after squeeze release), then how will anyone
> be able to install it via apt-get / aptitude in a sane way?

They can get it from snapshot.debian.org.  However, it's already not getting 
updates (including security updates) from upstream.  Security updates for non-
free are on a best-effort basis, so I expect by the time Lenny leaves security 
support entirely that Java 5 will be riddled with security holes.
 
> Bring it across, but put a nice little disclaimer (as per above) that
> the package is no longer supported, but also include that it is provided
> "as is" for those that _may_ still need it for some reason or another.

Sorry, that's not how Debian releases are managed.  With a few rare 
oversights, unmaintained software is not included in a stable release.  In 
fact, the software in a stable release should be able to count on upstream 
support for approximately 2 years or have a maintainer that is willing to 
maintain the software independent of upstream for a similar period of time.
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[squeeze] "Open with..." gone from Ark?

[S D]

Hi,

I use Ark application to open rar/zip archives. In Lenny it was very convenient 
to open an archive with Ark, select a compressed file and then a 
right-mouse-button click would show a menu with "Open with..." item that would 
allow to select an app you want to open the file with, no explicit extraction 
needed.

In Squeeze a right-mouse click on file within Ark seemingly does nothing, no 
menu, no way to open a file with a specific app.

Is there a way to fix this so it would work as it did in Lenny?

Thanks

# uname -a
Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 
GNU/Linux



  


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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Robert Holtzman]

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 01:55:11AM +, elbbit wrote:
> On 29/01/11 00:38, ow...@netptc.net wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> elbbit
> >>>
> > I too am tired of this tripe.  However, in a world without money, how
> > do you pay your ISP?
> > L
> Thank you for asking L.  I do not pay for access to the internet; it is
> provided to me for free.  It is unrestricted to the point of speed
> allowed by the distance between me and the nearby radio transceiver.
> 
> I know what you are going to assume: "oh right. hmm. well everyone has
> to pay for internet access, everyone knows that, well, this man must be
> stealing internet access"
> 
> Try to accept that people are starting to work together to bring a new
> world without finance.

I seldom reply to trolls but, I'll make a *one* time exception here. Has
it ever occurred to you that by being an aggravating self centered
little twit is not the way to win people over to your point of view?  

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Re: Remove nvidia driver and reinstall nouveau

[Joe Riel]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:42:30 +0100
Thierry Chatelet  wrote:

> On Friday 28 January 2011 07:12:43 Joe Riel wrote:
> > Is there a nice way to remove the nvidia driver and replace
> > it with the nouveau driver (which was originally installed
> > with Debian squeeze)?
> > 
> > I tried modifying xorg.conf and
> > removing /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf; that
> > partially worked, however, glx didn't work because of the
> > different kernel installed when nvidia was installed.
> 
> Purge whatever  nvidia staff you installed and move away xorg.conf,
> it wont be needed any longer
> Thierry
> 
> 

Thanks for all the responses.  I did

dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia | xargs sudo aptitude purge --assume-yes
sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf

then rebooted.  All is well, so far.  This has restored the pc-speaker beep
and improved the console font.

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Re: [squeeze] "Open with..." gone from Ark?

[godo]

On 01/29/2011 04:09 AM, S D wrote:

Hi,

I use Ark application to open rar/zip archives. In Lenny it was very convenient to open 
an archive with Ark, select a compressed file and then a right-mouse-button click would 
show a menu with "Open with..." item that would allow to select an app you want 
to open the file with, no explicit extraction needed.

In Squeeze a right-mouse click on file within Ark seemingly does nothing, no 
menu, no way to open a file with a specific app.

Is there a way to fix this so it would work as it did in Lenny?

Thanks

# uname -a
Linux testbox 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 
GNU/Linux




Hi,
maybe is something wrong because on my Squeeze you can do it with right 
mouse->open with->ark or just right mouse and extract.


Tray with right mouse on rar/zip archive->propertis->general tab (edit 
file type) and add ark.


If you just left click on .zip does ark open it?


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