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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Alan Ianson

On Fri May 14 2010 11:43:41 pm RyanJB wrote:
> >If you want the latest I'd run either testing
> >or unstable. I have both stable
> >and unstable installed.
> >Most of the time I run unstable.
>
> So considering that, the extra debian iso have practically no use since
> later I'll be upgrading packets from sid anyway?? Any clarifications?

I'm not sure what you mean. What is an "extra" iso?

You mean the full set of CD or DVD images? I find a net install works best 
nowadays. Then you just download and install packages as you want to.

The archive is simply huge now so it's a lot to download and burn unless you 
have machines that are not connected to the net that you want to install or 
update.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread RyanJB

Ahh, I mean the other CDs beside the required CD 1 for the installation.. As 
for the net install, I'm not always connected to the internet.. Just too bad... 
:(
-Original Message-
From: Alan Ianson 
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 00:02:41 
To: 
Subject: Re: How to keep debian current??

On Fri May 14 2010 11:43:41 pm RyanJB wrote:
> >If you want the latest I'd run either testing
> >or unstable. I have both stable
> >and unstable installed.
> >Most of the time I run unstable.
>
> So considering that, the extra debian iso have practically no use since
> later I'll be upgrading packets from sid anyway?? Any clarifications?

I'm not sure what you mean. What is an "extra" iso?

You mean the full set of CD or DVD images? I find a net install works best 
nowadays. Then you just download and install packages as you want to.

The archive is simply huge now so it's a lot to download and burn unless you 
have machines that are not connected to the net that you want to install or 
update.


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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Jimmy Johnson


RyanJB wrote:


I find a net install works best 
nowadays. Then you just download and install packages as you want to.


The archive is simply huge now so it's a lot to download and burn unless you 
have machines that are not connected to the net that you want to install or 
update.



Yes, start with a testing netinst www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ 
and install the base and then add the sid repos and do an aptitude 
full-upgrade to the base, after that you can start to build your 
testing/unstable system the way you want it.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Alan Ianson

On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 01:14 AM, Alan Ianson wrote:
> > On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
> >> the "cutting edge"? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say,
> >> ubuntu or even sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice, gnome,
> >> etc. Maybe using unstable or experimental repo? I'm sure there's many
> >> ways to do this, but I just don't know.. I'm new to debian :(
> >
> > If you want the latest I'd run either testing or unstable. I have both
> > stable and unstable installed. Most of the time I run unstable.
>
> +1 Sid/Unstable

Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)


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Re: MD subsystem is not loaded

2010-05-15 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach Hugo Vanwoerkom  [2010.05.14.1603 +0200]:
> How does one load the MD subsystem?

You use it. Unless you use it, you don't need mdadm installed.

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Re: executable won't execute

2010-05-15 Thread Jan C. Nordholz

Hi,

> [readelf output]
> 
> ELF Header:
> [...]

>  INTERP 0x000114 0x08048114 0x08048114 0x00011 0x00011 R   0x1
>  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3]

That dynamic linker doesn't look right. A little googling shows that
Redhat and Suse seem to be using that one now. A missing linker is,
by the way, the only other reason for execve() to return ENOENT ("file
not found") I know of - missing dependencies produce a different error.

Anyway, Debian still has /lib/ld-linux.so.2 - you could try symlinking
them, but I doubt it will work.


Regards,

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Re: executable won't execute

2010-05-15 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2010-05-15 11:04 +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote:

>> [readelf output]
>> 
>> ELF Header:
>> [...]
>
>>  INTERP 0x000114 0x08048114 0x08048114 0x00011 0x00011 R   0x1
>>  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3]
>
> That dynamic linker doesn't look right. A little googling shows that
> Redhat and Suse seem to be using that one now. A missing linker is,
> by the way, the only other reason for execve() to return ENOENT ("file
> not found") I know of - missing dependencies produce a different error.
>
> Anyway, Debian still has /lib/ld-linux.so.2 - you could try symlinking
> them, but I doubt it will work.

Why not?  Do you think that Redhat and Suse do something else?  Anyway,
this symlink should be in the lsb-core package; it was added in 3.0.6
(see #326609¹) but seems to have gone AWOL since then.

Sven


¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326609


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Re: Updrading or reinstalling?

2010-05-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner

B. Alexander put forth on 5/14/2010 10:12 PM:
> IMHO, Debian seems to have the best record of successful upgrades.

I've in-place upgraded one of my production servers from Woody through Lenny
with only relatively minor issues.  I've been thoroughly impressed by
Debian's dist upgrade reliability since I starting using the distro in 2000.

Always read the release notes and other related docs before performing your
dist upgrade.  Failing to do so may cause unnecessary problems.

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 00:27:32 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Am 2010-05-14 19:06:06, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:

(...)

>> So the reality is that anyone wanting to view a flash based site has to
>> have Adobe Flash player installed as is the only one able to fully
>> support all the features listed in their "open" specs.
> 
> THE SPECS ARE OPEN and if the Open Source Community is not able or  even
> willing to implement it, it is NOT THE FAULT of Adobe.

No need to SHOUT. I read all the messages in the same manner.

"The specs are open"... o.k., now so it seems. Since 2008, just 2 years 
ago, which is good, but Adobe, since the adquisition of Macromedia on 
2005, was holding all the rights on Flash format.

"(not having a good FLOSS Flash player) Not the fault of Adobe...". Of 
course not! The fault of Adobe, and this is my personal POW, is 
developing a very bad quality flash player, for all the users (windows, 
linux, Solaris). 

Heck, how in the hell can a company provide such players if they are the 
developers of the product the players are handling (.swf)? I cannot 
understand that, and "that" precisely makes me doubt about the quality of 
the format they are trying to populate and rise.

That said, even they (they=Adobe)now "open the specs" for Flash I will 
avoid either using it or promoting as much as I can.

In the times I worked as webmaster and web designer (now sysadmin), 
people (clients, partners and my company) "urged" me to adopt flash 
technology, just because "looked nice" and, "(sic) hey, anyone has the 
Flash Player installed so it was also kinda cross-platform". 

Yes, Flash Player was (is) available for many systems but the fact is 
that that did not change my perception about the suitability of using it.

There is nothing you couldn't do with standard html technologies 
(javascript, css, dom...) that Flash can, so why bother about spending 
time and money in acquiring a license for Adobe products that were (in 
those times) the only powerful ones that allowed the development of "rich 
sites" ("rich site" → Adobe "dixit")?

Why bother if there was only a unique Flash player out there and was 
pretty bad quality? Why forcing my users to have to use such player if 
there were alternatives in a very good shape that were open and 
compatible?

My perception is that web developers wrongly refugiated into flash to 
escape from the incompatibilities of the web browers, any of them 
applying different renderings of the elements of the page layout and not 
following the W3C standards. Yes, Firefox and Opera had also their own 
glicthes and of course, Internet Explorer.

So web developers, instead trying to compatibilize "the 
incompatibilities" of the browsers by making a more fine-grained code, 
they took the "easy path" and just fall into the arms of Flash format: 
format was bad but hey, at least it renedered the site in the same manner 
in all the browsers >:-)

And then it came html5, promoting open standard ways to handle video and 
audio... ooops, Adobe must thought their Flash format will be forgotten 
and lost in the Helm's Deep if html5 will succeed, so the decided to open 
Flash to be more user-friendly and calm down the accusations about 
monopolistic tactics, being their flash player installed in more than 95% 
of the computers >:-)

Adn here we are now, with Adobe developing, promoting and enforcing DRM 
technologies in their products and, OTOH providing an "open spec" for 
flash... quite contradictory :-)

That is my personal opinion, of course.

>> And the same situation goes for Adobe Reader for Linux. I dunno what is
>> going on with Adobe but true is that I dislike the path is taking that
>> company :-/
> 
> I am using Debian GNU/Linux since over 11 years and I have more then  20
> commercial progras like Eagle, FAB3000 and VariCAD with a total value of
> more then 80.000 Euro  installed,  because  there  are  NO  Open  Source
> equivalents available.

I have nothing against good quality programs, even they are closed source 
or commercial. But Acrobat products does not fall into that category :-)

> ...and no, gEda is NO OPTION du to the incompatible Gerber  outputs  and
> it can not handel Layots with BGA 421 and bigger plus  correct  handling
> of more then 4 Signal layers (I need at least 8).  Auto-Router? Oh Hell!

I now that. I'm working for a engineering company, and I'm "forced" (is 
market demand, we need a 110% compatibilty with our partners and they use 
AutoCAD...) to use such products.

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Re: Updrading or reinstalling?

2010-05-15 Thread godo


On 05/15/2010 04:25 AM, ryanjonath...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi there,

Just one question,

Is it better to upgrade debian using dist-upgrade or just download the new iso 
and reinstalling it?? I'm waiting for the squeeze final release.. Currently 
still using lenny.

Thanks
RJB
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Hi,
I'm beginner and desktop user but never had any problem with upgrade, 
well have one minor but it's my fault not Debian.

One box upgraded Lenny to Squeeze, other Squeeze to Sid.

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 01:07:28 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Hello Camaleón,
> 
> Am 2010-05-14 21:39:38, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>> You must be kidding. Or at least you must be unaware about the
>> existence of pdftk toolkit, iTex and gnupdf library, xournal or
>> pdfedit, a set of applications and frameworks available in this
>> "GNU/Linux world", intended for PDF editing and manipulation.
> 
> I was NEVER able to edit a singel PDF file...
> 
> And of course it was NOT the idea of Adobe, to let users edit PDF files.
> PDF was created as portable static file format.

But now *it is*.

With Acrobat Professional, you can even put a HD movie or 3D elements 
embedded into a PDF file :-)

I don't need such monstruosities, but adding a simple link, making 
annotations or just modifying the metatags is a fair use of a PDF.
 
>> There is more than PDF/A (a PDF spec for archiving purposes) out there.
> 
> There are better formats for it

Maybe... but Hylafax (fax server) uses a PDF (or TIF or PS) format to 
manage received documents and many people maybe in the need of editing 
them.
 
>> Have you ever heard about PDF forms (editing required), about adding
>> bookmarks inside a PDF file structure, about making annotations or
>> markups or just creating a link?
> 
> "Bookmarks" and/or "Annotations" are not even stored in the PDF with the
> Adobe Acrobat Reader...

But I'm not talking about PDF "readers" features, but PDF "editors" 
features. 
 
>> There are many situations where the user has the PDF file but lacks the
>> original document, and if you want to perform any modification in that
>> file, we (linux users) are stuck :-/
> 
> PDFs are not inted to be editable.  It is not the intend by Adobe to  do
> modifications once it was created.

Again... are you kidding? Or have you ever worked with Acrobat 
Professional? It's all about PDF editing!
 
> If I think on the Invoices i send per EMail...  Users could  modify  the
> file and fool the Revenue/customs Office or whatelse... and if something
> goes wrong, the could claim, I have the PDF invoice send like this.

Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even have 
Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems.

It's about "editing" PDF files in linux what we are talking about.
 
> Note:   I have a secured Off-Line Archive with such documents
> and invoices plus there MD5 and SHA384 sums.  So even if I
> output the PDF-Invoice on my OnlineStore, it  is automaticaly
> saved as copy on another system.
> 
> And requesting a second  copy  will  NOT  CREATE  the invoice
> from scratch, but take the from  the  archive since it must be
> the VERY original

Yes, that's fine.
 
> There are many things you are missing here...

There are many more things you seem to simply bypass (or ignore) about 
PDF format. PDF v1.3 lacks most of the PDF v1.7 features and abilities, 
which is normal, being the 9 years in between each of them.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread RyanJB

Final thoughts,

After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install some 
package from sid..

Thanks everyone for the help. Appreciated it a lot :)

RJB


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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,15.May.10, 00:33:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> 
> Yes, start with a testing netinst
> www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install the base and then
> add the sid repos and do an aptitude full-upgrade to the base, after
> that you can start to build your testing/unstable system the way you
> want it.

Or use the business-card image with boot option 'priority=medium' and 
install unstable directly ;)

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Re: Is acroread blind, or ps2pdf dangerous?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> There are many very proper pdf viewers that handle the auto-refresh very
> well. Since pdf got ISO certified, many apps included functionality like
> forms. I use okular and kpdf, which do a very good job in rendering also
> the complex documents with new pdf stuff (animated transitions,
> "animated gif"-like behaviour etcetera etcetera. Acrobat does so as
> well, but is just not convenient to use for documents you're currently
> texxing.
>   
Thanks.

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Re: VLC will lag when reading local videos, whatever the codec

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Fri, 14 May 2010 19:18:50 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> When watching videos locally, with VLC, it often lags at some parts of
> the videos, and the following kinds of messages are displayed at the
> console:
> 
> ==
> [some time] main video output error: picture [hexadecimal ref.] refcount
> is -1 overflow in spectral RLE, ignoring
> ==
> 
> The [some time] references are often ~40 times separated, i.e. I could
> get
> 
> ==
> [0010] main video output error: picture [hexadecimal ref.] refcount
> is -1 [0050] main video output error: picture [hexadecimal ref.]
> refcount is -1 .
> .
> .
> ==

Does this happen if you play the videos with another media player (Totem, 
Xine, MPlayer, etc...)?

> It does not only happen with Матрёшка files (.mkv). (I here test if Gnus
> supports cyrillic out-of-the-box.)

Test for cyrilic characters has been passed successfully :-)

> Is it normal? 

No.

> Does it happen often with videos? 

No, but I guess it would depend on many factors, i.e., good hardware 
(graphic card chipset) is required to avoid video jumps, lags or pauses. 
Also, the transmission method is important. Playing HD video files over 
the network (remotely by Internet or locally by means of samba or NFS) it 
could also affect. Moreover, playing the video files "wirelessly", can 
harden the situation.

> What would it be due to?

Many causes. But if the file plays fine with another player, you can 
blame VLC :-)

> Are they corrupted?

Test with another media player, that will tell.

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Liam O'Toole

On 2010-05-15, RyanJB  wrote:
> Final thoughts,
>
> After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install some 
> package from sid..
>

Be careful. Packages from sid are not (intended to be) compatible with
lenny. Consider using backports (http://www.backports.org) instead.

> Thanks everyone for the help. Appreciated it a lot :)
>
> RJB
>
>

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Installing wireless driver offline

2010-05-15 Thread RyanJB

Hi everyone,

I think I've just commited a mistake here. My wireless driver in my laptop is 
iwl3945, which is not available by default in a fresh lenny install.. But 
without it I can't connect to the net to install it.. Anyone know any 
workarounds?? Can I download the package from another computer and transfer it 
to my laptop?

Thanks,
RJB


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How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Hi,

Let's say that you have two internet connections at home, and
consequently two devices which link your computer to the Internet. How
can you manage, e.g. in Iceweasel/FF, to use one or the other? If you
have multiple downloads all the time, it might be an interesting thing
to split them among the diferent connections.

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Re: Installing wireless driver offline

2010-05-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,15.May.10, 11:21:06, RyanJB wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I think I've just commited a mistake here. My wireless driver in my 
> laptop is iwl3945, which is not available by default in a fresh lenny 
> install.. But without it I can't connect to the net to install it.. 
> Anyone know any workarounds?? Can I download the package from another 
> computer and transfer it to my laptop?

Yes, you need the firmware-iwlwifi package:

http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-iwlwifi

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how to disable audio and usb mount for users

2010-05-15 Thread abdelkader belahcene

Hi,
I want to refuse access  for some users to usb pen and audio.

In previous releases (debian, ubuntu , debian-based ..) , it is  enough to
remove the user from the group.
that is in /etc/group
audio:x:29:bela
plugdev:x:46:bela,geol


with  theses lines :  bela can heard sound, but not geol,for bela and
geol  the usb pen is automatically mounted.
But not for nobody else.

It is NOT the case in the new release, I mean, even if I remove a user from
the  plugdev  group,  the usb pen is automatically mounted for that user.

thanks for help
bets regards

Re: X starting but nothing shows on the screen

2010-05-15 Thread Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 09:42:07PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2010-05-08 12:42 +0200, Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson wrote:
> 
> > Hello, I have a strange problem.
> >
> > If X is started from gdm at bootup or with /etc/init.d/gdm start then
> > it starts (I know this since it beeps when it is up and running) but
> > nothing shows on the screen. The same thing happens when I use startx
> > and I have icewm in my .xinitrc. But if I have no .xinitrc file and I
> > use startx then Gnome comes up fine.
> 
> This is indeed very strange.
> 
> > I am using sid and have just made an upgrade to my system (I hadn't
> > done a upgrade in quite a while and did an upgrade a few days ago then
> > my problems started) so it is up to date.
> >
> > Any ideas on what could be wrong here?

Just did a aptitude safe-upgrade that pulled in a new version of the
intel driver, no change in behaviour.

Óli


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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Wolodja Wentland

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
> After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install
> some package from sid..

That is probbaly the worst way to deal with your "need" for newer
software, as it is quite hard to keep a mixed stable/sid system that
could be considered "stable" as defined by Debian.

Given that you claim to be inexperienced with Debian and/or .deb based
distributions in general I would suggest one of the following ways to
cure your "shiny new shit syndrome" ;)

1. Stable + backports

This is probably the easiest way to get newer versions for packages
given that they have been backported. You can find instructions on how
to use backports on:

http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

2. Stable + backports + simple sid backports

If you "need" packages from sid that have not yet been backported, you
can try to backport them yourself given that their dependencies can be
satisfied in stable. The basic way to deal with this is:

a. Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  
b. apt-get update / aptitude update 
c. aptitude install build-essential 
   apt-get build-dep packagename
   apt-get -b source packagename 
d. Install the resultant debs.

This last two approaches work well if you just need the newer version
for a couple of packages, for example if the version of apache2 shipped
with lenny does not support a feature you need. 

I am not sure if that is enough for you, but you might want to ask
yourself first what you are trying to achieve eventually. *Why* do you
need newer versions? What are you doing with your computer? What are
your usage patterns? What features are missing from lenny that you
*really* need?

If you need them, just because you *always* want the newest upstream
release, you can consider one of the following approaches:

3. Run testing or sid

I think that running testing or sid is what you *might* actually want,
but you have to prepare yourself for the occasional problem you have to
fix yourself and you might need a sound understanding of Linux and
Debian packaging in order to fix *some* of the  problems that you might
run into.

That being said, I want to point out that I have been tracking testing
for some time now and rarely faced an issue I could not fix. Moreover
testing (and sid?) is actually quite stable (in the sense of "not
breaking your system") and might be the best choice for your.

In particular I have made good experiences with the following scheme:

1. Track stable for 6-12 months after the release
2. Track testing until it is released as stable
3. Goto 1

4. Use a different distribution

Why don't you use one of the Debian-based distribution until you are
more comfortable with Linux and Debian administration and therefore able
to fix the occasional problem you might run into yourself?

Don't get me wrong here - I don't want to argue against Debian, but
there might actually be distributions that are developed with users like
you in mind and you might actually be happier using one of those.

Having said all that, I would suggest the following:

Run stable and familiarise yourself with Debian and Linux, by reading
the following manuals: (excerpts from the dpkg bot on #debian)

1. Debian Reference

The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  The
latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ .
Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the
closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package
name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'

2. Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition.

A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/, can be
purchased at Borders, or install the rutebook package from non-free.  It covers
Linux in a very non-distribution specific method.  The start of the book is
"Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing".

3. Newbiedoc

http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation

Once you are familiar with Linux and Debian upgrade to testing and enjoy
the pleasures of a rolling release.

Have fun

Wolodja
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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Steve Fishpaste

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered:
> Hello Steve Fishpaste,
> 
> Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
> > There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be
> > careful being so inclusive. There are many uses for PDFs other than
> > for archival purposes. Printers for example take PDFs and often need to 
> > 'edit'
> > them. That's where the original idea to have a PDF editor originated.
> 
> For WHAT reason a printer need to EDIT a PDF?

To edit it of course! That's why many printers have prepress departments.
PDFs were originally used in the publishing world exclusively. Many times
designers make mistakes that need to be corrected before going on press
or there are simply edits to be made to information that has changed
prior to press time. It's done all the time! Same with CAD drawings
that have to be annotated and signed off on, and or any document
workflow where documents are "proofed" and annotated.

PDFs are used because it's a package container with the fonts and
images included, not because it's considered an end use format.


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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III

On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 01:07:28 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even have 
> Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems.

I thought this, too, until recently when working with companies which
use PDF heavily.  I had always used KPDF as it seemed so much lighter
and faster than acroread.  However, it has only a very small portion of
the full functionality of acroread.  I had never noticed but our clients
did.

It's everything from small things (like mousing into to lower left
corner and seeing the document size -very handy for non-standard sizes
such as construction drawings) to the massive printing problem that
afflicts all other Linux pdf readers - at least in Lenny, no pdf reader
could print non-default print sizes.  No matter what we did, every
single PDF reader we tried insisted on printing to the default paper
size.  Apparently this is a well known bug from the hours of searching
we did.  Only acroread would let our client print their construction
drawings without shrinking them down letter or A4 size - John

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Re: executable won't execute

2010-05-15 Thread Anand Sivaram

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 14:45, Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2010-05-15 11:04 +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote:
>
> >> [readelf output]
> >>
> >> ELF Header:
> >> [...]
> >
> >>  INTERP 0x000114 0x08048114 0x08048114 0x00011 0x00011 R   0x1
> >>  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3]
> >
> > That dynamic linker doesn't look right. A little googling shows that
> > Redhat and Suse seem to be using that one now. A missing linker is,
> > by the way, the only other reason for execve() to return ENOENT ("file
> > not found") I know of - missing dependencies produce a different error.
> >
> > Anyway, Debian still has /lib/ld-linux.so.2 - you could try symlinking
> > them, but I doubt it will work.
>
> Why not?  Do you think that Redhat and Suse do something else?  Anyway,
> this symlink should be in the lsb-core package; it was added in 3.0.6
> (see #326609š) but seems to have gone AWOL since then.
>
> Sven
>
>
> š http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326609
>
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This is a binary only executable, correct?  What is the system requirement
as of the software provider?  If they dont explicitly say about debian but
some other system like redhat, suse etc.  you could always create a chroot
of that, try to execute your binary inside the chroot.

Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III

On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:55 +0200, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
> > After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install
> > some package from sid..
> 
> That is probbaly the worst way to deal with your "need" for newer
> software, as it is quite hard to keep a mixed stable/sid system that
> could be considered "stable" as defined by Debian.
> 
> Given that you claim to be inexperienced with Debian and/or .deb based
> distributions in general I would suggest one of the following ways to
> cure your "shiny new shit syndrome" ;)
> 
> 1. Stable + backports
> 
> This is probably the easiest way to get newer versions for packages
> given that they have been backported. You can find instructions on how
> to use backports on:
> 
> http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
> 
> 2. Stable + backports + simple sid backports
> 
> If you "need" packages from sid that have not yet been backported, you
> can try to backport them yourself given that their dependencies can be
> satisfied in stable. The basic way to deal with this is:
> 
> a. Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  
> b. apt-get update / aptitude update 
> c. aptitude install build-essential 
>apt-get build-dep packagename
>apt-get -b source packagename 
> d. Install the resultant debs.
> 
> This last two approaches work well if you just need the newer version
> for a couple of packages, for example if the version of apache2 shipped
> with lenny does not support a feature you need. 
> 
> I am not sure if that is enough for you, but you might want to ask
> yourself first what you are trying to achieve eventually. *Why* do you
> need newer versions? What are you doing with your computer? What are
> your usage patterns? What features are missing from lenny that you
> *really* need?
> 
> If you need them, just because you *always* want the newest upstream
> release, you can consider one of the following approaches:
> 
> 3. Run testing or sid
> 
> I think that running testing or sid is what you *might* actually want,
> but you have to prepare yourself for the occasional problem you have to
> fix yourself and you might need a sound understanding of Linux and
> Debian packaging in order to fix *some* of the  problems that you might
> run into.
> 
> That being said, I want to point out that I have been tracking testing
> for some time now and rarely faced an issue I could not fix. Moreover
> testing (and sid?) is actually quite stable (in the sense of "not
> breaking your system") and might be the best choice for your.
> 
> In particular I have made good experiences with the following scheme:
> 
> 1. Track stable for 6-12 months after the release
> 2. Track testing until it is released as stable
> 3. Goto 1
> 
> 4. Use a different distribution
> 
> Why don't you use one of the Debian-based distribution until you are
> more comfortable with Linux and Debian administration and therefore able
> to fix the occasional problem you might run into yourself?
> 
> Don't get me wrong here - I don't want to argue against Debian, but
> there might actually be distributions that are developed with users like
> you in mind and you might actually be happier using one of those.
> 
> Having said all that, I would suggest the following:
> 
> Run stable and familiarise yourself with Debian and Linux, by reading
> the following manuals: (excerpts from the dpkg bot on #debian)
> 
> 1. Debian Reference
> 
> The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  The
> latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ 
> .
> Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the
> closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package
> name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
> 
> 2. Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition.
> 
> A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/, can be
> purchased at Borders, or install the rutebook package from non-free.  It 
> covers
> Linux in a very non-distribution specific method.  The start of the book is
> "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing".
> 
> 3. Newbiedoc
> 
> http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation
> 
> Once you are familiar with Linux and Debian upgrade to testing and enjoy
> the pleasures of a rolling release.
Thank you for such an excellent response.  I was going to comment that
Squeeze and Sid are more stable than many distributions but they still
have their issues.  We had very much wanted to use Squeeze for a
potentially large but enterprise class deployment.  After considerable
testing, we opted for Lenny + backports + the occasional adaptation from
Squeeze where absolutely necessary.

Most of our postponement of Squeeze was due to KDE 4.x which seemed an
excellent idea but not yet ready for enterprise use and we even tested
using Gnome but found there were other issues.

Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread RyanJB

Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up a new 
documentation for this problem ;)

I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is actually only a 
stable home system. I do favor current apps though; I often use betas (but not 
alphas), but I can live with old apps.

Thanks again,
RJB
-Original Message-
From: Wolodja Wentland 
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:55:55 
To: 
Subject: Re: How to keep debian current??

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
> After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install
> some package from sid..

That is probbaly the worst way to deal with your "need" for newer
software, as it is quite hard to keep a mixed stable/sid system that
could be considered "stable" as defined by Debian.

Given that you claim to be inexperienced with Debian and/or .deb based
distributions in general I would suggest one of the following ways to
cure your "shiny new shit syndrome" ;)

1. Stable + backports

This is probably the easiest way to get newer versions for packages
given that they have been backported. You can find instructions on how
to use backports on:

http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

2. Stable + backports + simple sid backports

If you "need" packages from sid that have not yet been backported, you
can try to backport them yourself given that their dependencies can be
satisfied in stable. The basic way to deal with this is:

a. Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  
b. apt-get update / aptitude update 
c. aptitude install build-essential 
   apt-get build-dep packagename
   apt-get -b source packagename 
d. Install the resultant debs.

This last two approaches work well if you just need the newer version
for a couple of packages, for example if the version of apache2 shipped
with lenny does not support a feature you need. 

I am not sure if that is enough for you, but you might want to ask
yourself first what you are trying to achieve eventually. *Why* do you
need newer versions? What are you doing with your computer? What are
your usage patterns? What features are missing from lenny that you
*really* need?

If you need them, just because you *always* want the newest upstream
release, you can consider one of the following approaches:

3. Run testing or sid

I think that running testing or sid is what you *might* actually want,
but you have to prepare yourself for the occasional problem you have to
fix yourself and you might need a sound understanding of Linux and
Debian packaging in order to fix *some* of the  problems that you might
run into.

That being said, I want to point out that I have been tracking testing
for some time now and rarely faced an issue I could not fix. Moreover
testing (and sid?) is actually quite stable (in the sense of "not
breaking your system") and might be the best choice for your.

In particular I have made good experiences with the following scheme:

1. Track stable for 6-12 months after the release
2. Track testing until it is released as stable
3. Goto 1

4. Use a different distribution

Why don't you use one of the Debian-based distribution until you are
more comfortable with Linux and Debian administration and therefore able
to fix the occasional problem you might run into yourself?

Don't get me wrong here - I don't want to argue against Debian, but
there might actually be distributions that are developed with users like
you in mind and you might actually be happier using one of those.

Having said all that, I would suggest the following:

Run stable and familiarise yourself with Debian and Linux, by reading
the following manuals: (excerpts from the dpkg bot on #debian)

1. Debian Reference

The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  The
latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ .
Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the
closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package
name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'

2. Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition.

A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/, can be
purchased at Borders, or install the rutebook package from non-free.  It covers
Linux in a very non-distribution specific method.  The start of the book is
"Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing".

3. Newbiedoc

http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Debian_newbie_help_documentation

Once you are familiar with Linux and Debian upgrade to testing and enjoy
the pleasures of a rolling release.

Have fun

Wolodja
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Re: executable won't execute

2010-05-15 Thread Kent West

On 5/14/10 6:17 PM, Andrew Reid wrote:
> On Thursday 13 May 2010 20:36:41 Kent West wrote:
>   
>> I'm trying to start a daemon for Maple v 14, but when I try to run it,
>> the system complains that the file doesn't exist. What's up?
>>
>> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/usr/local/Maple_Network_Tools/FLEXlm/11.7:> ls -lh
>> total 2.8M
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmcksum -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmdiag -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmdown -> lmutil
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 854K 2010-05-13 16:04 lmgrd
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmhostid -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lminstall -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmremove -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmreread -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmstat -> lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmswitchr -> lmutil
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 979K 2010-05-13 16:04 lmutil
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff6 2010-05-13 16:04 lmver -> lmutil
>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 962K 2010-05-13 16:04 maplelmg
>>
>> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/usr/local/Maple_Network_Tools/FLEXlm/11.7:>
>> sudo ./lmgrd
>> sudo: unable to execute ./lmgrd: No such file or directory
>>
>> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/usr/local/Maple_Network_Tools/FLEXlm/11.7:> ldd
>> lmgrd
>> /usr/bin/ldd: line 117: ./lmgrd: No such file or directory
>> 
>   That ldd can't see it is just weird.
>
>   Is the directory NFS-mounted?
>   

No, it's a local drive. I even tried downloading to and running it on a
completely separate Debian box, with the same results. I'm convinced now
it's not in the OS, but in the file somehow. I've sent an email to
Maplesoft to see if they can provide an answer.

Thanks!

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Ron Johnson


On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:

Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
a new documentation for this problem ;)

I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is
actually only a stable home system. I do favor current apps
though; I often use betas (but not alphas), but I can live with
old apps.



Then use Sid.  Lots of non-geeks do.

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Re: Updrading or reinstalling?

2010-05-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:48:31AM +0200, godo wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 04:25 AM, ryanjonath...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Hi there,
> >
> >Just one question,
> >
> >Is it better to upgrade debian using dist-upgrade or just download the new 
> >iso and reinstalling it?? I'm waiting for the squeeze final release.. 
> >Currently still using lenny.
> >
> >Thanks
> >RJB
> >Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
> Hi,
> I'm beginner and desktop user but never had any problem with
> upgrade, well have one minor but it's my fault not Debian.
> One box upgraded Lenny to Squeeze, other Squeeze to Sid.
> 
> -- 
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Just upgraded Lenny to Squeeze with aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade

Repeated runs through eventually got it there though it did look scary to see 
quite as many broken packages at intermediate
steps.

Vim-common and vim-tiny wouldn't update - there's a conflict with a file in 
llvm-dev

One of the splash screen programs had a similar conflict and also stopped the 
process dead at one point. A manual deinstall of llvm-dev
solved that one as did deinstalling ksplash from KDE 3.

Hope this helps someone,

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Re: executable won't execute

2010-05-15 Thread Kent West

On 5/15/10 7:56 AM, Anand Sivaram wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 14:45, Sven Joachim  > wrote:
>
> On 2010-05-15 11:04 +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote:
>
> >> [readelf output]
> >>
> >> ELF Header:
> >> [...]
> >
> >>  INTERP 0x000114 0x08048114 0x08048114 0x00011 0x00011
> R   0x1
> >>  [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-lsb.so.3]
> >
> > That dynamic linker doesn't look right. A little googling shows that
> > Redhat and Suse seem to be using that one now. A missing linker is,
> > by the way, the only other reason for execve() to return ENOENT
> ("file
> > not found") I know of - missing dependencies produce a different
> error.
> >
> > Anyway, Debian still has /lib/ld-linux.so.2 - you could try
> symlinking
> > them, but I doubt it will work.
>
> Why not?  Do you think that Redhat and Suse do something else?
>  Anyway,
> this symlink should be in the lsb-core package; it was added in 3.0.6
> (see #326609š) but seems to have gone AWOL since then.
>
> Sven
>
>
> š http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326609
>

You guys are brilliant! Awesome!

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/lib:> sudo ln -s ld-linux.so.2 ld-lsb.so.3

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/usr/local/Maple_Network_Tools/FLEXlm/11.7:>
./lmgrd  8:26:41 (lmgrd) ---
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   Please Note:
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   This log is intended for debug purposes only.
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   In order to capture accurate license
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   usage data into an organized repository,
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   please enable report logging. Use Acresso Software Inc.'s
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   software license administration  solution,
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   FLEXnet Manager, to  readily gain visibility
 8:26:41 (lmgrd)   into license usage data and to create

Thanks!

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:21 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:

> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote:

>> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even
>> have Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems.

> I thought this, too, until recently when working with companies which
> use PDF heavily.  I had always used KPDF as it seemed so much lighter
> and faster than acroread.  However, it has only a very small portion of
> the full functionality of acroread.  I had never noticed but our clients
> did.

Acrobat Reader for linux has some nice features, I agree. One of them is 
the ability to print brochures and booklets in a easy way.

But is so "bloat" that I have discarded from any of my linux systems and  
use Evince almost exclusively (before Evince I was very happy with KPDF). 
On windows I try to install Foxit Reader or something similar.

> It's everything from small things (like mousing into to lower left
> corner and seeing the document size -very handy for non-standard sizes
> such as construction drawings) to the massive printing problem that
> afflicts all other Linux pdf readers - at least in Lenny, no pdf reader
> could print non-default print sizes.  No matter what we did, every
> single PDF reader we tried insisted on printing to the default paper
> size.  Apparently this is a well known bug from the hours of searching
> we did.  Only acroread would let our client print their construction
> drawings without shrinking them down letter or A4 size - John

Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-?

I have a PDF file sized "prc5 Envelope, Landscape (220 x 110 mm)" which I 
open with Evince (2.22.2). Then I send the document for printing with any 
of our HP laserjet printers using the envelope feeder. I put the envelope 
in the tray, from Evince I go under "File / Printer settings" and from 
"Paper size" dropdown menu I choose "DL Envelope". The output is printed 
correctly, obeying the size of the printed media (DL envelope) and fiting 
the text correctly into it.

Is that what are you referring about or are you (or your clients)  
experiencig another problem?

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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:
> >Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
> >a new documentation for this problem ;)
> >
> >I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is
> >actually only a stable home system. I do favor current apps
> >though; I often use betas (but not alphas), but I can live with
> >old apps.
> >
> 
> Then use Sid.  Lots of non-geeks do.

Why??? I think he made a correct judgement. 

He said "I can live with old apps".

He can always run sid in chroot or virtual machine.  But the fact that
he is asking this question is the proof, he should get to lern Debian
system now.

Once he will get to used to Debian system, he can do sid as I do or Ron
does.  But I think it is premature.  Give him few months, he will

Osamu

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Onur Aslan wrote:
> You're connecting internet via a gateway. You can set a gateway per host
> with route(8). When you set a gateway to a host, system will use this
> gateway to connect this host.
>   
Sure, but how can I then download different files with different devices
(i.e. eth0 and eth1, for example)? How can I switch?

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Onur Aslan

You're connecting internet via a gateway. You can set a gateway per host
with route(8). When you set a gateway to a host, system will use this
gateway to connect this host.

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:22:24PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Let's say that you have two internet connections at home, and
> consequently two devices which link your computer to the Internet. How
> can you manage, e.g. in Iceweasel/FF, to use one or the other? If you
> have multiple downloads all the time, it might be an interesting thing
> to split them among the diferent connections.
> 
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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread ceduardo

2010/5/15 Merciadri Luca 
>
> Hi,
>
> Let's say that you have two internet connections at home, and
> consequently two devices which link your computer to the Internet. How
> can you manage, e.g. in Iceweasel/FF, to use one or the other? If you
> have multiple downloads all the time, it might be an interesting thing
> to split them among the diferent connections.
>
Hi have tow suggestions,
The first one.
trickle http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle it is bandwidth shaper.

The second one
bonding http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding
whit this one you can plus the bandwidth.



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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

ceduardo wrote:
> 2010/5/15 Merciadri Luca 
>   
> Hi have tow suggestions,
> The first one.
> trickle http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle it is bandwidth shaper.
>
> The second one
> bonding 
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding
> whit this one you can plus the bandwidth.
>   
`Bonding' seems to achieve what I wanted to do. Thanks.


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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,15.May.10, 16:32:05, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> >
> > The second one
> > bonding 
> > http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding
> > whit this one you can plus the bandwidth.
> >   
> `Bonding' seems to achieve what I wanted to do. Thanks.

But will probably not work in you case, as it was meant to combine two 
(or more?) network ports from the same computer connected to the same 
switch.

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Allums


On 5/14/2010 6:13 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Hello Mark Allums,

Am 2010-05-14 07:39:47, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:

Flash may not be a priority, sense it performs two functions.  One,
it acts as the standard web video player.  Two, it tries to be a
standard web programming interface and SDK.

The former is becoming mooted by the advent of HTML5.  The latter is
boring, since there are 1000s of other ways to write programs that
run in web browsers, e.g., Javascript.  No one really wants Flash to
be the go-to standard for programming, even if it offers a few shiny
gewgaws. Don't you hate Flash-based sites?  I know I do.


...and I hate websites using a 200 kByte JavaScript,  sucking  500 MByte
of memory and  consuming  100%  CPU  resources  to  implement  the  same
functionality as the Adobe Flash-Pluging.

Yes, I know a bunch of Websites claiming there are  Flash-Free...  Using
JavaScript for this purpose is the same crap as using Flash.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
 Michelle Konzack




I am not so much pro Javascript as I am anti-Flash.  And I concede that 
there is room for improvement.


In fact, that is what I advocate:  Improving Javascript.

Also, note:  Do not confuse Javascript with Java.  Two entirely 
different animals.


MAA


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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat,15.May.10, 16:32:05, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>>> The second one
>>> bonding 
>>> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding
>>> whit this one you can plus the bandwidth.
>>>   
>>>   
>> `Bonding' seems to achieve what I wanted to do. Thanks.
>> 
>
> But will probably not work in you case, as it was meant to combine two 
> (or more?) network ports from the same computer connected to the same 
> switch.
>   
The description says

==
The Linux bonding driver provides a method for aggregating
multiple network interfaces into a single logical
bonded  interface.
==

Strictly speaking, this is what I want. Now, your interpretation seems
to be based on the definition of a link aggregation, which I am not
really familiar with. Basically, I want to merge connections into one,
or at least divide and use them separately, in an easy way. This is not
a so-rare situation, is it? E.g. you might be wandering in some zone
where you can use the WiFi, but where it is sometimes unavailable, say
at specific regions. If you manage to use another connection, for
example the one that is given by your mobile phone/smartphone /via/
Bluetooth (which is then connected to the internet through other
protocols), it should be possible to switch between these two
connections, or to use them simultaneously, if, say, WiFi 's range is
too small or WiFi's bandwidth too small compared to the smartphone's
one. (Okay, this is not a really realistic example.)

You might also share an internet connection with your neighbour,
legally, and use it a lot when he does not need it. Then, if you already
use ethernet, you can use both connections. But how?

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Re: MD subsystem is not loaded

2010-05-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

When I install a kernel I get "MD subsystem is not loaded" as a warning:

...

See that is exactly the trouble with rolling ur own kernel. I never set 
RAID options. Which? Good question. So I made an "educated guess" 
(what?) and set:

h...@debian:/hda10/backup.files$ diff .config.2.6.33.4-nodebian 
.config.2.6.33.4-RAID-nodebian

3,4c3,4
< # Linux kernel version: 2.6.33.4-hvw
< # Thu May 13 13:24:07 2010
---
 > # Linux kernel version: 2.6.33.4
 > # Fri May 14 13:32:21 2010
920c920
< # CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS is not set
---
 > CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS=m
1095c1095,1117
< # CONFIG_MD is not set
---
 > CONFIG_MD=y
 > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=m
 > CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m
 > CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m
 > CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m
 > CONFIG_MD_RAID10=m
 > CONFIG_MD_RAID456=m
 > CONFIG_MD_RAID6_PQ=m
 > # CONFIG_ASYNC_RAID6_TEST is not set
 > CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m
 > CONFIG_MD_FAULTY=m
 > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m
 > # CONFIG_DM_DEBUG is not set
 > CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=m
 > CONFIG_DM_SNAPSHOT=m
 > CONFIG_DM_MIRROR=m
 > CONFIG_DM_LOG_USERSPACE=m
 > CONFIG_DM_ZERO=m
 > CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH=m
 > CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_QL=m
 > CONFIG_DM_MULTIPATH_ST=m
 > CONFIG_DM_DELAY=m
 > CONFIG_DM_UEVENT=y
2413a2436,2441
 > CONFIG_XOR_BLOCKS=m
 > CONFIG_ASYNC_CORE=m
 > CONFIG_ASYNC_MEMCPY=m
 > CONFIG_ASYNC_XOR=m
 > CONFIG_ASYNC_PQ=m
 > CONFIG_ASYNC_RAID6_RECOV=m
h...@debian:/hda10/backup.files$

We'll see if the "MD subsystem" gets loaded.
And why are there no google hits for this? Who knows.

After changing my kernel with the above, the "MD subsystem" loads 
because now I get:

Assembling MD arrays...done (no arrays found in config file or 
automatically).

So it depends on one or more of those kernel configs, at least in 2.6.33.4.

Trouble is that years ago when I started compiling my own kernel, I did 
not start a file with 3 columns: date - function - reason for adding, so 
now I have a kernel that keeps getting bigger and I don't know 
specifically why the entries are there, other than in general, like the 
ones above.

Hugo

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Anand Sivaram

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 20:09, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Sat,15.May.10, 16:32:05, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> > >
> > > The second one
> > > bonding
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding
> > > whit this one you can plus the bandwidth.
> > >
> > `Bonding' seems to achieve what I wanted to do. Thanks.
>
> But will probably not work in you case, as it was meant to combine two
> (or more?) network ports from the same computer connected to the same
> switch.
>
> Regards,
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Bonding will not work.  It is exclusing for mac layer of ethernet.
You could use "ip route2" and there are multiple ways to get load balancing
of two internet connections.
Look at "www.lartc.org" for more details.

Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:32:05 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> `Bonding' seems to achieve what I wanted to do. Thanks.

Sure? I don't think so :-)

"Bonding" is for ethernet devices, nothing to do with using your 
"router's bandwith". Ethernet bonding is like hard disk raid: it will 
prevent for a "link" going down and you can use it to increasing 
throughput but what you want to achieve is not done with that, as you 
will be still facing the problem on how/where to route packages.

Also, bonding requires at least 2 ethernet adapters. 

A very good bonding tutorial:

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding

But you may need something like this:

How To: Load Balancing & Failover With Dual/ Multi WAN / ADSL / Cable 
Connections on Linux
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/how-to-load-balancing-failover-with-dual-multi-wan-adsl-cable-connections-on-linux/

And I advance you is not an easy task :-P

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,15.May.10, 16:47:07, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> >
> > But will probably not work in you case, as it was meant to combine two 
> > (or more?) network ports from the same computer connected to the same 
> > switch.
> >   
> The description says
> 
> ==
> The Linux bonding driver provides a method for aggregating
> multiple network interfaces into a single logical
> bonded  interface.
> ==
> 
> Strictly speaking, this is what I want. Now, your interpretation seems
> to be based on the definition of a link aggregation, which I am not
> really familiar with. Basically, I want to merge connections into one,
> or at least divide and use them separately, in an easy way. This is not
> a so-rare situation, is it? E.g. you might be wandering in some zone
> where you can use the WiFi, but where it is sometimes unavailable, say
> at specific regions. If you manage to use another connection, for
> example the one that is given by your mobile phone/smartphone /via/
> Bluetooth (which is then connected to the internet through other
> protocols), it should be possible to switch between these two
> connections, or to use them simultaneously, if, say, WiFi 's range is
> too small or WiFi's bandwidth too small compared to the smartphone's
> one. (Okay, this is not a really realistic example.)
> 
> You might also share an internet connection with your neighbour,
> legally, and use it a lot when he does not need it. Then, if you already
> use ethernet, you can use both connections. But how?

Bonding is not suitable for you because it works too low-level (it is 
layer 2), unless you have two links from the same provider, using some 
technology that can be bonded (like ADSL).

AFAIU what you need is BGP[1], but I can't give you any tips as this is 
way out of my league ;)

Probably a good start (whatever technology you end up using) is a 
GNU/Linux (preferably Debian) machine connected to both internet links 
and your internal network since consumer gateways don't even have more 
than one WAN port[2].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol
[2] some of them could be used for this with custom firmware, but this 
is off-topic

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Updrading or reinstalling?

2010-05-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


ryanjonath...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi there,

Just one question,

Is it better to upgrade debian using dist-upgrade or just download the new iso 
and reinstalling it?? I'm waiting for the squeeze final release.. Currently 
still using lenny.



I do dist-upgrades from Sid, but I also have kept up a script that 
installs from scratch.


The reason for the latter is that I like to know what packages I asked 
to be installed and for what reason.


The vast majority of packages are dependencies and it is never clear why 
they were pulled in and by whom.


I now do a dist-upgrade and see:

858 upgraded, 289 newly installed, 15 to remove and 1 not upgraded.

Yet as I install from scratch I only ask for 220 packages in total.

Hugo


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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Alan Ianson wrote:

On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote:

On 05/15/2010 01:14 AM, Alan Ianson wrote:

On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:

Hi,

With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
the "cutting edge"? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say,
ubuntu or even sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice, gnome,
etc. Maybe using unstable or experimental repo? I'm sure there's many
ways to do this, but I just don't know.. I'm new to debian :(

If you want the latest I'd run either testing or unstable. I have both
stable and unstable installed. Most of the time I run unstable.

+1 Sid/Unstable


Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)




Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. "Unstable" it may be called but I 
find it very stable, as long as you don't burn your bridges behind you.


Hugo


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Re: Updrading or reinstalling?

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Allums


On 5/14/2010 9:25 PM, ryanjonath...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it better to upgrade debian using dist-upgrade or just download the new iso 
and reinstalling it?? I'm waiting for the squeeze final release.. Currently 
still using lenny.


I used the testing installer recently, and was amazed at how terrible 
and buggy it was, so, if I had a working system, I would certainly 
upgrade in preference to using that dreadful installer.  However, I 
would rather upgrade piecemeal with safe-upgrade rather than use 
dist-upgrade.  Too dangerous and drastic.  Be sure you research some of 
the stumbling blocks, like the udev thing.  (Upgrade udev *before* you 
upgrade the kernel.)


MAA


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pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

2010-05-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Hi,

(on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.

Then when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I see:

The following packages have been kept back:
  grub

and

The following packages will be upgraded:
... grub-legacy ...

but when I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' I see:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
... grub-legacy{a} ...

and

The following NEW packages will be installed:
... grub-pc{a} ...

So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?

Hugo


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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

2010-05-15 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,15.May.10, 10:32:36, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> (on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.
 
[...]
 
> So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?

Please post the output of 'apt-cache policy grub'.

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New 3-button serial mouse not detected by Lenny

2010-05-15 Thread Chris Austin

Hi,

I have just bought a new 3-button mouse since 3-button emulation does not seem 
to work well in Lenny - I had a lot of trouble with unpredictable behaviour 
apparently due to contact bounce and getting unwanted context menus, some of 
whose entries were sometimes unintentionally activated, with bad effects - but 
unfortunately the new mouse is serial rather than PS/2.

I have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root in a terminal before starting 
kdm, but there was no mention of a mouse, only keyboard options were mentioned. 
 And the new mouse is completely non-functional after doing kdm.

I have also tried Xorg -configure, and the following message was given:

Xorg detected your mouse at device /dev/input/mice.  Please check your config 
if the mouse is still not operational, as by default Xorg tries to autodetect 
the protocol.  Your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new.

The only mentions of the mouse in /root/xorg.conf.new are in the first section:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

and in a later section:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

I ran X -config /root/xorg.conf.new to test the new xorg.conf, but the new 
mouse was still nonfunctional.  It was plugged into Serial port 1, and I also 
tried going into the BIOS and altering Onboard Serial Port A from 3f8h/COM1 to 
Auto, but this didn't help either.

Are serial mice supported in Lenny?

Best regards,
Chris Austin.


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Re: pinning + apt-get vs aptitude

2010-05-15 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2010-05-15 17:32 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> (on Sid) I pinned grub-legacy, to avoid going to grub2.
>
> Then when I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I see:
>
> The following packages have been kept back:
>   grub
>
> and
>
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> ... grub-legacy ...
>
> but when I do 'aptitude full-upgrade' I see:
>
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> ... grub-legacy{a} ...

You should run "aptitude unmarkauto grub-legacy" and remove the
transitional grub package.  Unfortunately the case where a transitional
package A pulls in another package B is not handled well by the package
managers, I always end up "aptitude unmarkauto B; aptitude markauto A"
to tell apt that I want to keep the new package and that it can remove
the transitional one as soon as nothing depends on it anymore.

> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> ... grub-pc{a} ...
>
> So why does aptitude pay no attention to my pin?

Because it decides that the grub-legacy package is unused and can be
removed despite the pin.  Whether this is the right thing is debatable;
I'm sure you find some bug reports about that if you dig into the long
list of aptitude bugs.

Sven

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman

Op 15-05-10 14:43, Steve Fishpaste schreef:
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered:
>> Hello Steve Fishpaste,
>>
>> Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
>>> There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be
>>> careful being so inclusive. There are many uses for PDFs other than
>>> for archival purposes. Printers for example take PDFs and often need to 
>>> 'edit'
>>> them. That's where the original idea to have a PDF editor originated.
>>
>> For WHAT reason a printer need to EDIT a PDF?
> 
> To edit it of course! That's why many printers have prepress departments.
> PDFs were originally used in the publishing world exclusively
I think there confusion between printers (the machines) and the people
that operate printers. The machines do not need pdf-editing
capabilities, the people operating the printers for you might.

Sjoerd




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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Jay Zach


On 05/15/2010 12:48 AM, RyanJB wrote:

Hi,

With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in the 
"cutting edge"? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say, ubuntu or even 
sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice, gnome, etc. Maybe using unstable or 
experimental repo? I'm sure there's many ways to do this, but I just don't know.. I'm new 
to debian :(

Thanks a lot,
RJB


   
Run sidux.  It is Debian unstable with some people doing some extra work 
to keep it a bit more stable for you.  Use the smxi script which helps 
keep things stable also (and simplifies installation of some software to 
boot).  I love sidux on the desktop (and vanilla Debian on my servers).


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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:17:36AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >>+1 Sid/Unstable
> >
> >Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)
> 
> Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. "Unstable" it may be called
> but I find it very stable, as long as you don't burn your bridges
> behind you.

Yes but please note we are almost in a soft-freeze situation now where
no major distruptive uploads are done by DD.  It was not like this just
after lebby release if you had some hardware impacted by xorg package
transition.  (Being cautious is a good idea.)

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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Allums


On 5/15/2010 11:16 AM, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

Op 15-05-10 14:43, Steve Fishpaste schreef:

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered:

Hello Steve Fishpaste,

Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:

There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be
careful being so inclusive. There are many uses for PDFs other than
for archival purposes. Printers for example take PDFs and often need to 'edit'
them. That's where the original idea to have a PDF editor originated.


For WHAT reason a printer need to EDIT a PDF?


To edit it of course! That's why many printers have prepress departments.
PDFs were originally used in the publishing world exclusively

I think there confusion between printers (the machines) and the people
that operate printers. The machines do not need pdf-editing
capabilities, the people operating the printers for you might.

Sjoerd




Yes, printers are jobbers who take a document and reproduce it. 
Printers are people.  They operate printing presses.  This newfangled 
term "printer", referring to a machine, is a recent innovation.


MAA



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Re: How to keep debian current??

2010-05-15 Thread Jimmy Johnson


Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Sat,15.May.10, 00:33:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Yes, start with a testing netinst
www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install the base and then
add the sid repos and do an aptitude full-upgrade to the base, after
that you can start to build your testing/unstable system the way you
want it.



Or use the business-card image with boot option 'priority=medium' and 
install unstable directly ;)


Regards,
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LVM spanning multiple encrypted drives

2010-05-15 Thread B. Alexander

I use LUKS drive encryption on several machines on my network. The problem I
have is that every time I attempt to set up LVM which spans multiple drives,
it decrypts the first one, then panics because it can't see the rest of the
PVs, because they are still encrypted. For instance, the my backup machine
has a 250GB and 500GB partition. If I could combine the two drives in one
LVM, I would have nearly 700GB available for backups. Unfortunately, I have
to put the second drive on a separate volume group, which limits me to
500gb.

The fix is probably simple, but I haven't found the right combination of
secret sauce to get all drives decrypted before the system issues vgchange
-a y, which results in a panic or other Bad Things.

Does anyone know the right way to get the drives decrypted first?

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat,15.May.10, 16:47:07, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>
> Bonding is not suitable for you because it works too low-level (it is 
> layer 2), unless you have two links from the same provider, using some 
> technology that can be bonded (like ADSL).
>
> AFAIU what you need is BGP[1], but I can't give you any tips as this is 
> way out of my league ;)
>
> Probably a good start (whatever technology you end up using) is a 
> GNU/Linux (preferably Debian) machine connected to both internet links 
> and your internal network since consumer gateways don't even have more 
> than one WAN port[2].
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Gateway_Protocol
> [2] some of them could be used for this with custom firmware, but this 
> is off-topic
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
> P.S. There is no need to CC me as I am subscribed to the list ;)
>   
Thanks for both messages. I'll study this.

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Re: VLC will lag when reading local videos, whatever the codec

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

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Camaleón  writes:

> Does this happen if you play the videos with another media player (Totem, 
> Xine, MPlayer, etc...)?
Yes. Both take some time to go further in the video. I sometimes have
to wait ~5 secs. to get the video start at the asked time, whatever
the player: Totem, MPlayer.

>> It does not only happen with Матрёшка files (.mkv). (I here test if Gnus
>> supports cyrillic out-of-the-box.)
>
> Test for cyrilic characters has been passed successfully :-)
>
>> Is it normal? 
>
> No.

>
>> Does it happen often with videos? 
>
> No, but I guess it would depend on many factors, i.e., good hardware 
> (graphic card chipset) is required to avoid video jumps, lags or
> pauses.
It should not be the hardware, as my graphic card works perfectly
under other circumstances. The CPU is also ~0% when testing, so not
this too. Same for HDDs.

> Also, the transmission method is important. Playing HD video files over 
> the network (remotely by Internet or locally by means of samba or NFS) it 
> could also affect. Moreover, playing the video files "wirelessly", can 
> harden the situation.
Unfortunately, these are ~50 M videos, sometimes even without any
sound, and their quality is not HD, sure. They are read _locally_ so
from my local hdd to my screen: no network.

>> What would it be due to?
>
> Many causes. But if the file plays fine with another player, you can 
> blame VLC :-)
I suspect the codecs are problematic. But why would they be so?
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Re: VLC will lag when reading local videos, whatever the codec

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 20:18:03 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón writes:
> 
>> Does this happen if you play the videos with another media player
>> (Totem, Xine, MPlayer, etc...)?

> Yes. Both take some time to go further in the video. I sometimes have to
> wait ~5 secs. to get the video start at the asked time, whatever the
> player: Totem, MPlayer.

Strange. If you haved tested with several video file containers (video 
formats), different audio/video codecs and also using different video 
players and all of them behaves in the same manner... I would suspect 
about the performance of video card.

>> No, but I guess it would depend on many factors, i.e., good hardware
>> (graphic card chipset) is required to avoid video jumps, lags or
>> pauses.

> It should not be the hardware, as my graphic card works perfectly under
> other circumstances. The CPU is also ~0% when testing, so not this too.
> Same for HDDs.

Yes, but not all video cards perform good when playing HD (or HD ready) 
videos. For instance, Intel cards (the ones you can find embedded into 
the majority of netbooks) are not the most suitable for high quality 
video streaming/playing :-)

>> Also, the transmission method is important. Playing HD video files over
>> the network (remotely by Internet or locally by means of samba or NFS)
>> it could also affect. Moreover, playing the video files "wirelessly",
>> can harden the situation.

> Unfortunately, these are ~50 M videos, sometimes even without any sound,
> and their quality is not HD, sure. They are read _locally_ so from my
> local hdd to my screen: no network.

O.k.

>>> What would it be due to?
>>
>> Many causes. But if the file plays fine with another player, you can
>> blame VLC :-)

> I suspect the codecs are problematic. But why would they be so? 

Which codecs do you find to be problematic? :-? 

Try with several video files using different video codecs and make some 
performance tests.

Note that every video player uses its own set of codecs (VLC and MPlayer 
at least, Totem maybe uses system-wide a/v installed codecs) so 
performance may vary between them. 

One more question, though... how about a DVD video? It renders the 
same? :-?

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PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III

On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:21 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> >> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even
> >> have Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems.
> 
> > I thought this, too, until recently when working with companies which
> > use PDF heavily.  I had always used KPDF as it seemed so much lighter
> > and faster than acroread.  However, it has only a very small portion of
> > the full functionality of acroread.  I had never noticed but our clients
> > did.
> 
> Acrobat Reader for linux has some nice features, I agree. One of them is 
> the ability to print brochures and booklets in a easy way.
> 
> But is so "bloat" that I have discarded from any of my linux systems and  
> use Evince almost exclusively (before Evince I was very happy with KPDF). 
> On windows I try to install Foxit Reader or something similar.
>  
> > It's everything from small things (like mousing into to lower left
> > corner and seeing the document size -very handy for non-standard sizes
> > such as construction drawings) to the massive printing problem that
> > afflicts all other Linux pdf readers - at least in Lenny, no pdf reader
> > could print non-default print sizes.  No matter what we did, every
> > single PDF reader we tried insisted on printing to the default paper
> > size.  Apparently this is a well known bug from the hours of searching
> > we did.  Only acroread would let our client print their construction
> > drawings without shrinking them down letter or A4 size - John
> 
> Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-?
> 
> I have a PDF file sized "prc5 Envelope, Landscape (220 x 110 mm)" which I 
> open with Evince (2.22.2). Then I send the document for printing with any 
> of our HP laserjet printers using the envelope feeder. I put the envelope 
> in the tray, from Evince I go under "File / Printer settings" and from 
> "Paper size" dropdown menu I choose "DL Envelope". The output is printed 
> correctly, obeying the size of the printed media (DL envelope) and fiting 
> the text correctly into it.
> 
> Is that what are you referring about or are you (or your clients)  
> experiencig another problem?

In this case, the client had a Ricoh MP W3600 plotter although, if I
recall correctly, we had the same problem with all the printers - it was
just more obvious with the plotter.  Let's say they wanted to send a
24x36 drawing to the plotter.  If they send it through any of the FOSS
PDF viewers, it prints a 24x36 job but the image is always the default
paper size, i.e., the drawing would be reduced to 8.5x11 and printed in
the middle of a 24x36 piece of paper.  In some cases, we sent two pages
per side - reducing and rotating the drawings to fit two per page.  In
this case, two 8.5x11 images appeared on the large sheet!

Acroread is not without flaws either.  Versions previous to 9.3.2 could
not see our CUPS print server's printers.  9.3.2 can see them but,
whenever it prints, it sends the default page region.  Thus, if I
directly choose, say this 3600 plotter, and send a 36x48 drawing, I see
acroread has created a print job with -o PageSize=36x48 but also with -o
PageRegion=A4 (or whatever either the ppd default is or the first
PageRegion listed in the ppd if no default is defined).  We've seen the
same thing when trying to send 11x17 jobs to other printers - it prints
Letter size (or whatever the default PageRegion is).  We've escalated to
Ricoh but this really smells like an acroread bug.

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Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón

On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:46:36 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:

> On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote:

>> Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-?

(...)

>> Is that what are you referring about or are you (or your clients)
>> experiencig another problem?

> In this case, the client had a Ricoh MP W3600 plotter although, if I
> recall correctly, we had the same problem with all the printers - it was
> just more obvious with the plotter.  Let's say they wanted to send a
> 24x36 drawing to the plotter.  If they send it through any of the FOSS
> PDF viewers, it prints a 24x36 job but the image is always the default
> paper size, i.e., the drawing would be reduced to 8.5x11 and printed in
> the middle of a 24x36 piece of paper.  In some cases, we sent two pages
> per side - reducing and rotating the drawings to fit two per page.  In
> this case, two 8.5x11 images appeared on the large sheet!

I see... just two things:

1/ Printer driver is vital for a correct paper size detection, but I've 
seen that Ricoh provides a PostScript driver for that device (MP W3600 
plotter) so this shouldn't be a problem at all in your case.

2/ Printer settings (in CUPS) and PDF viewer settings paper size for 
printing. These values are also important, I mean, if you are sending a 
PDF file with a custom size you have to previously (an manually) adjust 
the paper size settings accordingly before sending the job for printing. 
This can be done in Evince very easily.

If you do not tweak this, the default CUPS settings for that printer will 
prevail for the job.

> Acroread is not without flaws either.  Versions previous to 9.3.2 could
> not see our CUPS print server's printers.  9.3.2 can see them but,
> whenever it prints, it sends the default page region.  Thus, if I
> directly choose, say this 3600 plotter, and send a 36x48 drawing, I see
> acroread has created a print job with -o PageSize=36x48 but also with -o
> PageRegion=A4 (or whatever either the ppd default is or the first
> PageRegion listed in the ppd if no default is defined).  We've seen the
> same thing when trying to send 11x17 jobs to other printers - it prints
> Letter size (or whatever the default PageRegion is).  We've escalated to
> Ricoh but this really smells like an acroread bug.

Yep. Acrobat Reader has its own glitches. Last time I tested in a linux 
box (that was 2 years ago) was not very "friendly" when choosing the 
printer and/or printer options and required manual user intervention :-/

OTOH, it made "auto-scalation" and "auto-rotation" of the output document 
quite well :-)

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Re: DVD/CD Read Issues

2010-05-15 Thread James Stuckey

I'm also experiencing this issue with data-DVDs now.

Dmesg:
[11643.787758] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[11643.787834] attempt to access beyond end of device
[11643.787835] sr0: rw=0, want=2052, limit=4
[11643.788596] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11643.788599] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11643.788603] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11643.788606] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01
00
[11643.788613] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[11643.789543] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11643.789546] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11643.789550] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11643.789553] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01
00
[11643.789560] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[11643.789631] UDF-fs: No anchor found
[11643.789632] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[11643.809340] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11643.809343] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11643.809345] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11643.809348] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 01
00
[11643.809353] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 64
[11643.809417] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16,
block=16
[11644.889055] cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!
[11650.939127] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11650.939131] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11650.939136] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11650.939140] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 01
00
[11650.939148] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 64
[11650.945825] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11650.945829] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11650.945832] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11650.945836] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01
00
[11650.945843] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1024
[11650.946676] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11650.946680] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11650.946683] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11650.946687] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 01
00
[11650.946694] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 2048
[11650.946760] UDF-fs: No anchor found
[11650.946762] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[11650.966982] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK
driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[11650.966986] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[11650.966989] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of
range
[11650.966993] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 01
00
[11650.967000] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 64
[11650.967074] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16,
block=16

r...@debian:/mnt/western# mount /dev/scd0
mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
   missing codepage or helper program, or other error
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail  or so

Re: New 3-button serial mouse not detected by Lenny

2010-05-15 Thread Kent West

On 5/15/10 10:34 AM, Chris Austin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just bought a new 3-button mouse since 3-button emulation does not 
> seem to work well in Lenny - I had a lot of trouble with unpredictable 
> behaviour apparently due to contact bounce and getting unwanted context 
> menus, some of whose entries were sometimes unintentionally activated, with 
> bad effects - but unfortunately the new mouse is serial rather than PS/2.
>
> I have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root in a terminal before 
> starting kdm, but there was no mention of a mouse, only keyboard options were 
> mentioned.  And the new mouse is completely non-functional after doing kdm.
>
> I have also tried Xorg -configure, and the following message was given:
>
> Xorg detected your mouse at device /dev/input/mice.  Please check your config 
> if the mouse is still not operational, as by default Xorg tries to autodetect 
> the protocol.  Your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new.
>
> The only mentions of the mouse in /root/xorg.conf.new are in the first 
> section:
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
> Identifier "X.org Configured"
> Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
> InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> EndSection
>
> and in a later section:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Mouse0"
> Driver  "mouse"
> Option  "Protocol" "auto"
> Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> EndSection
>
> I ran X -config /root/xorg.conf.new to test the new xorg.conf, but the new 
> mouse was still nonfunctional.  It was plugged into Serial port 1, and I also 
> tried going into the BIOS and altering Onboard Serial Port A from 3f8h/COM1 
> to Auto, but this didn't help either.
>
> Are serial mice supported in Lenny?
>
> Best regards,
> Chris Austin.
>
>
>   
I would take X out of the equation, and see if you can get it working in
the console with gpm.

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Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III

On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 20:31 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:46:36 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> >> Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-?
> 
> (...)
> 
> >> Is that what are you referring about or are you (or your clients)
> >> experiencig another problem?
> 
> > In this case, the client had a Ricoh MP W3600 plotter although, if I
> > recall correctly, we had the same problem with all the printers - it was
> > just more obvious with the plotter.  Let's say they wanted to send a
> > 24x36 drawing to the plotter.  If they send it through any of the FOSS
> > PDF viewers, it prints a 24x36 job but the image is always the default
> > paper size, i.e., the drawing would be reduced to 8.5x11 and printed in
> > the middle of a 24x36 piece of paper.  In some cases, we sent two pages
> > per side - reducing and rotating the drawings to fit two per page.  In
> > this case, two 8.5x11 images appeared on the large sheet!
> 
> I see... just two things:
> 
> 1/ Printer driver is vital for a correct paper size detection, but I've 
> seen that Ricoh provides a PostScript driver for that device (MP W3600 
> plotter) so this shouldn't be a problem at all in your case.
Yup - we are using the Ricoh supplied PPD
> 
> 2/ Printer settings (in CUPS) and PDF viewer settings paper size for 
> printing. These values are also important, I mean, if you are sending a 
> PDF file with a custom size you have to previously (an manually) adjust 
> the paper size settings accordingly before sending the job for printing. 
> This can be done in Evince very easily.
The PPD had most of the needed paper sizes for the plotter.  We did add
a custom size or two.

The current workaround is to use a custom printer and send it to
kprinter :-(
> 
> If you do not tweak this, the default CUPS settings for that printer will 
> prevail for the job.
> 
> > Acroread is not without flaws either.  Versions previous to 9.3.2 could
> > not see our CUPS print server's printers.  9.3.2 can see them but,
> > whenever it prints, it sends the default page region.  Thus, if I
> > directly choose, say this 3600 plotter, and send a 36x48 drawing, I see
> > acroread has created a print job with -o PageSize=36x48 but also with -o
> > PageRegion=A4 (or whatever either the ppd default is or the first
> > PageRegion listed in the ppd if no default is defined).  We've seen the
> > same thing when trying to send 11x17 jobs to other printers - it prints
> > Letter size (or whatever the default PageRegion is).  We've escalated to
> > Ricoh but this really smells like an acroread bug.
> 
> Yep. Acrobat Reader has its own glitches. Last time I tested in a linux 
> box (that was 2 years ago) was not very "friendly" when choosing the 
> printer and/or printer options and required manual user intervention :-/
> 
> OTOH, it made "auto-scalation" and "auto-rotation" of the output document 
> quite well :-)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
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> 
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Rebuild of kdepim-3.5.9 fails - no libkode.so.1.0.0

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III

Hello, all. We are attempting to rebuild kdepim on Lenny using patches
supplied by the Trinity project (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/)
to fix some of the critical Kontact issues. When we try to do so, we
fail with:

g++ -DHAVE_BOOST -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2
-DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT
-DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -o .libs/kode kodemain.o
-L/usr/share/qt3/lib ./.libs/libkode.so /usr/lib/libkabc.so
g++: ./.libs/libkode.so: No such file or directory
make[4]: *** [kode] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory
`/data/download/kdepim/kdepim-3.5.9/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/kode'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

Sure enough, if I look in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/kode/.libs, I see:

jas...@jasiii:/data/download/kdepim/kdepim-3.5.9/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/kode/.libs$
 ls -l
total 2468
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 252856 2010-05-15 14:42 automakefile.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 486968 2010-05-15 14:42 class.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 132432 2010-05-15 14:42 code.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 96256 2010-05-15 14:42 enum.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 406624 2010-05-15 14:42 file.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 137808 2010-05-15 14:42 function.o
lrwxrwxrwx 1 jasiii jasiii 13 2010-05-15 14:42 libkode.la
-> ../libkode.la
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 1123 2010-05-15 14:42 libkode.lai
lrwxrwxrwx 1 jasiii jasiii 16 2010-05-15 14:42 libkode.so ->
libkode.so.1.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 jasiii jasiii 16 2010-05-15 14:42 libkode.so.1 ->
libkode.so.1.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 48720 2010-05-15 14:42 license.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 68104 2010-05-15 14:42 membervariable.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 517368 2010-05-15 14:42 printer.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 162320 2010-05-15 14:42 statemachine.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 68808 2010-05-15 14:42 style.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 59560 2010-05-15 14:42 typedef.o
-rw-r--r-- 1 jasiii jasiii 64696 2010-05-15 14:42 variable.o

What would cause this and how do we fix it? Thanks - John


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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Stefan Monnier

>> I'm not judging whether that attitude is right or not, I'm just giving
>> it as an explanation why you don't see good support for PDF
>> editing here.  It's a problem that most people don't even bump into
>> (except when they receive forms from the Windows world).
> 
> I would disagree.

You don't seem to disagree, actually.  I only said "most people" not
"everyone".


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Re: MD subsystem is not loaded

2010-05-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner

Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 5/15/2010 9:50 AM:

> Trouble is that years ago when I started compiling my own kernel, I did
> not start a file with 3 columns: date - function - reason for adding, so
> now I have a kernel that keeps getting bigger and I don't know
> specifically why the entries are there, other than in general, like the
> ones above.

This is one of the reasons I still use menuconfig.  Most options have a help
description available that can remind you why you are or aren't using a
given kernel option.

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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Zoran Kolic

> Let's say that you have two internet connections at home, and
> consequently two devices which link your computer to the Internet. How
> can you manage, e.g. in Iceweasel/FF, to use one or the other? If you
> have multiple downloads all the time, it might be an interesting thing
> to split them among the diferent connections.

Using routing tables, of course.
The goal you'd like to get may be tricky the way you post it.
Sounds like the application splits the sources and use both.
The level of it is different.
At least one device should have 2 income ethernet adapters.
Choose would it be your desktop or router in front. Anyway,
prepare to experiment a bit and try/miss/try.
Best regards

  Zoran


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Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread godo




In fact, that is what I advocate: Improving Javascript.

Also, note: Do not confuse Javascript with Java. Two entirely different
animals.

MAA



Is it really possible in real life?
I mean you can have 100% nice working javascript but probably will not 
working how it should in IE because M$ have allways their own standards.
And result will be just as it is with html and css, web designers will 
do it M$ way because *% people use IE.


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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Anand Sivaram

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 09:53, Zoran Kolic  wrote:

> > Let's say that you have two internet connections at home, and
> > consequently two devices which link your computer to the Internet. How
> > can you manage, e.g. in Iceweasel/FF, to use one or the other? If you
> > have multiple downloads all the time, it might be an interesting thing
> > to split them among the diferent connections.
>
> Using routing tables, of course.
> The goal you'd like to get may be tricky the way you post it.
> Sounds like the application splits the sources and use both.
> The level of it is different.
> At least one device should have 2 income ethernet adapters.
> Choose would it be your desktop or router in front. Anyway,
> prepare to experiment a bit and try/miss/try.
> Best regards
>
>  Zoran
>
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This is what I was mentioning before.  Support you have two cable/dsl modems
connected to a debian machine.  Use load balancing using "netxhop" option of
iproute2 as shown by the following link..
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
But note that suppose you have two connetion of 1mbps each, You will not be
able to do one single 2mbps download per session.  But you could have 2
sessions of 1mbps each.
Otherwise you could use custom download accelerators, torrent etc. which
could split a logical download to multiple sessions.

Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Thanks. I'll try it.

Anand Sivaram wrote:
> This is what I was mentioning before.  Support you have two cable/dsl
> modems connected to a debian machine.  Use load balancing using
> "netxhop" option of iproute2 as shown by the following link..
> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
> But note that suppose you have two connetion of 1mbps each, You will
> not be able to do one single 2mbps download per session.  But you
> could have 2 sessions of 1mbps each.
> Otherwise you could use custom download accelerators, torrent etc.
> which could split a logical download to multiple sessions.


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Re: How to manage multiple Internet connections?

2010-05-15 Thread Merciadri Luca

Thanks. Anand detailed the way it should be done.

Zoran Kolic wrote:
> Using routing tables, of course.
> The goal you'd like to get may be tricky the way you post it.
> Sounds like the application splits the sources and use both.
> The level of it is different.
> At least one device should have 2 income ethernet adapters.
> Choose would it be your desktop or router in front. Anyway,
> prepare to experiment a bit and try/miss/try.
>   


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Re: DVD/CD Read Issues

2010-05-15 Thread Charlie

On Sat, 15 May 2010 23:56:34 +0200 James Stuckey 
shared this with us all:

>I'm also experiencing this issue with data-DVDs now.

Just read this so don't know if you're writing about squeeze?

Had some problems, so changed my /etc/fstab file dvd to /dev/sr0
because blkid wouldn't pick it up.

/dev/sr0   /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0

Then things started to work again.

Just in case this may help you.

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