Re: USB key accepts data only as root

[Merciadri Luca]

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Lisi  writes:

> On Sunday 25 April 2010 21:06:14 Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Ron Johnson  writes:
>> > On 04/25/2010 02:47 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> >>> Not enough information.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry.
>> >>
>> >>> Automounted from a DE, or manually from the CLI?
>> >>
>> >> Automounted, but the related folder is still there (in /media/) even
>> >> when the USB key is disconnected.
>> >>
>> >>> What are the ownership and privs on the mount point?  And the raw
>> >>> device?
>> >>
>> >> ==
>> >> /media# ls -al
>> >> total 28
>> >> drwxrwxrwx  6 root root 4096 2010-04-25 13:26 .
>> >> drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2010-01-27 11:13 ..
>> >> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2009-09-04 19:30 disk
>> >> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2010-04-25 13:30 disk-1
>> >> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root7 2009-07-17 17:01 floppy ->  floppy0
>> >> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2009-07-17 17:01 floppy0
>> >> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  299 2010-04-25 13:26 .hal-mtab
>> >> -rw---  1 root root0 2010-04-25 09:31 .hal-mtab-lock
>> >> drwx--  2 root root 4096 2009-08-29 22:20 KUBUNTU_LAPTOP22
>> >> ==
>> >>
>> >> It happens for every removable disk, actually. The raw device is
>> >> /dev/sde1:
>> >>
>> >> ==
>> >> # ls -al | grep sde
>> >> brw-rw  1 root floppy8,  64 2010-04-25 21:45 sde
>> >> brw-rw  1 root floppy8,  65 2010-04-25 21:45 sde1
>> >> ==
>> >
>> > $ echo $USER
>> > me
>>
>> $ echo $USER
>> merciadriluca
>>
>> > $ dir /media | grep CENTON
>> > drwxr-xr-x  2 me   root 4096 1969-12-31 18:00:00 CENTON USB/
>> >
>> > ~$ dir /dev/sdh
>> > brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 112 2010-04-22 16:19:48 /dev/sdh
>> >
>> > You wouldn't happen to be logged in as root, would you?
>
>  /media# ls -al   (from previous email from Merciadri)
>
> At this point you obviously are root, even tho' you will not have been able 
> to 
> log-in as root.  ?
I did not start _a root session_ but I did `su', okay. But I need to
do this. If I do not do this, I do not have access to the removable
devices which are connected through USB.

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Re: Replies to the list

[Merciadri Luca]

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Camaleón  writes:

> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:04:16 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> Camaleón writes:
>> 
>>> Does anyone here have to reply to my posts in the same manner? >:-?
>
>> Actually, I have two choices to read your answers. Either I use my Gnus,
>> through emacs, which shows me all the posts in the group. There, your
>> contributions appear.
>> My second choice is to use Google Groups, which also gives your messages
>> in the group.
>> 
>> But what is really weird is that, as I receive every message which is
>> posted in the group by e-mail (because I have subscribed to the list), I
>> should receive _all_ your contributions, but, sometimes, your
>> contributions do not appear. I do not understand why. I cannot explain
>> it.
>
> Mmm, yes, sounds weird. 
>
> And you only experience this with some of my replies, right?
Yes. No, because even the `junk'-classified e-mails are not directly
moved to the trash.
> Are you 
> using any kind of spamfilter at your end? :-?
No.
>
> I use Gmane (e-mail to news gateway) to send posts and read the list via 
> Pan newsreader. 
>
>>From time to time Gmane have had some "glitches" (messages can be delayed 
> or in the worst cases, they are lost) but if the post reached the list 
> archive, you (everyone subscribed) also should get it:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
But the matter is that I can see _all_ your answers everywhere, but by
e-mail, where some answers (only from you) are completely unreceived.

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Re: Replies to the list

[Merciadri Luca]

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Nick Douma  writes:

> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:04:16PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Camaleón  writes:
>> 
>> > On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:56:07 +0200, Nick Douma wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:47:50AM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:26:33 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> > P.S.: I never receive your answers by e-mail, despite my subscription
>> >>> > to the list.
>> >>> 
>> >>> And how do you receive my answers? I only post to the list :-?
>> >> 
>> >> Most likely on-line indexers of lists, like Google.
>> >
>> > Wow... that involves a lot of work and is awkward.
>> >
>> > Does anyone here have to reply to my posts in the same manner? >:-?
>> Actually, I have two choices to read your answers. Either I use my
>> Gnus, through emacs, which shows me all the posts in the group. There,
>> your contributions appear. 
>> My second choice is to use Google Groups, which also gives your
>> messages in the group.
>> 
>> But what is really weird is that, as I receive every message which is
>> posted in the group by e-mail (because I have subscribed to the list),
>> I should receive _all_ your contributions, but, sometimes, your
>> contributions do not appear. I do not understand why. I cannot explain it.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with clear-signed PGP messages? Maybe
> they are filtered out or something.
Unfortunately not, for the reasons I mentioned before (I receive other
messages, even if they are not all PGP-signed).

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:

> (Why? ext3 and 4 are exceptionally well supported by Linux and GNU.  XFS
> will be, too, probably.)

Are you kidding?  XFS already is all of the things you mention.  You
apparently need a history lesson.

XFS went into production systems starting in 1993 on SGI's Indy
workstations.  XFS was GPL'd by SGI in 2000, and was in Linux mainline just
before EXT3, since mid 2001 in kernel 2.4.  It was used almost exclusively
on the IA64 Altix machines.  It took a while before non SGI customers
starting trying out XFS on i386 hardware.

EXT3 arrived in mainline in Nov 2001, a few months _after_ XFS.  Both have
been in the mainline kernel for almost 9 years.  You talk as if XFS is
somehow "new" to Linux lol.  I'd guess that XFS has been in mainline longer
than many subscribers to this list have been using Linux.

I'd also guess that XFS seems "new" to a lot of people because it's never
been the default filesystem for any major Linux distro on i386/AMD64.  Lack
of "exposure" to something doesn't mean it's "new".

XFS has had just as much development support in Linux as EXT3/4 have,
possibly more in some areas.  It predates all Linux filesystems with the
exception of the original EXT.  XFS has been in production systems since
1993, less than a year after Linus announced his very first Linux code was
available for download via ftp, when he was still in college.  That's 17
years ago!  EXT3 is young, and EXT4 is an infant compared to XFS.  XFS is
older than EXT2 and older than many Linux users.

Did I forget to mention that XFS is pretty old?  17 years old.  And that
it's fully supported by the kernel community?  I'm not sure what you mean by
"supported by GNU".  XFS is compiled by the GNU tool chain just like
everything else in Linux is.  It's released under the GNU GPL.  It's
available and fully supported under Debian/GNU Linux.  I should know,
because that's what I run on my servers, with XFS.

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Re: USB key accepts data only as root

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/26/2010 02:14 AM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

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Lisi  writes:


On Sunday 25 April 2010 21:06:14 Merciadri Luca wrote:

Ron Johnson  writes:

On 04/25/2010 02:47 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

Not enough information.


Sorry.


Automounted from a DE, or manually from the CLI?


Automounted, but the related folder is still there (in /media/) even
when the USB key is disconnected.


What are the ownership and privs on the mount point?  And the raw
device?


==
/media# ls -al
total 28
drwxrwxrwx  6 root root 4096 2010-04-25 13:26 .
drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2010-01-27 11:13 ..
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2009-09-04 19:30 disk
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2010-04-25 13:30 disk-1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root7 2009-07-17 17:01 floppy ->   floppy0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2009-07-17 17:01 floppy0
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  299 2010-04-25 13:26 .hal-mtab
-rw---  1 root root0 2010-04-25 09:31 .hal-mtab-lock
drwx--  2 root root 4096 2009-08-29 22:20 KUBUNTU_LAPTOP22
==

It happens for every removable disk, actually. The raw device is
/dev/sde1:

==
# ls -al | grep sde
brw-rw  1 root floppy8,  64 2010-04-25 21:45 sde
brw-rw  1 root floppy8,  65 2010-04-25 21:45 sde1
==


$ echo $USER
me


$ echo $USER
merciadriluca


$ dir /media | grep CENTON
drwxr-xr-x  2 me   root 4096 1969-12-31 18:00:00 CENTON USB/

~$ dir /dev/sdh
brw-rw 1 root floppy 8, 112 2010-04-22 16:19:48 /dev/sdh

You wouldn't happen to be logged in as root, would you?


  /media# ls -al   (from previous email from Merciadri)

At this point you obviously are root, even tho' you will not have been able to
log-in as root.  ?

I did not start _a root session_ but I did `su', okay. But I need to
do this. If I do not do this, I do not have access to the removable
devices which are connected through USB.



We need to see what it looks like when you are bog standard 
merciadriluca.


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Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक]]

Hello List,

I am trying to install Debian Testing on IBM eServer System p5.

I get a boot prompt where I enter
"expert install video=ofonly"

It loads kernel then ELF and then I get a b/w screen saying,


done
instantiating rtas at 0x07716000  done
WARNING: maximum cups (1) exceeded: ignoring extras
copying OF device tree...
Building dt strings...
Building dt structure
Device tree strings 0x01e01000 -> 0x01d023b3
Device tree struct 0x01e03000 -> 0x01e12000
Calling quiesce
returning from prom_init
_


and then system freezes.


What can be the solution for this problem?

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/26/2010 02:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:


(Why? ext3 and 4 are exceptionally well supported by Linux and GNU.  XFS
will be, too, probably.)


Are you kidding?  XFS already is all of the things you mention.  You
apparently need a history lesson.

XFS went into production systems starting in 1993 on SGI's Indy
workstations.  XFS was GPL'd by SGI in 2000, and was in Linux mainline just
before EXT3, since mid 2001 in kernel 2.4.  It was used almost exclusively
on the IA64 Altix machines.  It took a while before non SGI customers
starting trying out XFS on i386 hardware.

[snip]

They couldn't have directly take the Irix code and brought it 
directly to Linux.  It just wouldn't work, and Linus wouldn't allow 
such shimmed code into the mainline.


So, while there's an XFS which is 17 years old, the Linux xfs code 
is "only" 9-10 years old.


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Castle put forth on 4/25/2010 10:29 AM:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, B. Alexander  wrote:
>> Does anyone have suggestions and practical experience with the pros and cons
>> of the various filesystems?
> 
> Google is switching (has switched by now?) all of it's servers over to
> ext4.  A web search will turn up more details on the subject.  But
> they are mostly lots of big files.

If it weren't for the live migration requirement, I read this to say that
Google would be using XFS due to its superior performance:

"In a mailing list post, Google engineer Michael Rubin provided more insight
into the decision-making process that led the company to adopt Ext4. The
filesystem offered significant performance advantages over Ext2 _and nearly
rivaled the high-performance XFS filesystem_ during the company's tests.
Ext4 was ultimately chosen over XFS because it would allow Google to do a
live in-place upgrade of its existing Ext2 filesystems."

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Re: VM software for personal use?

[Mark Allums]

On 4/25/2010 8:34 PM, ghe wrote:

On 4/25/10 7:10 PM, Richard Lawrence wrote:


http://losak.sourceforge.net/


A Lisp OS!!???

Could be, I guess. I once worked at a place where they claimed to have
written an accounting package in BASIC. I think I'd stick with
VirtualBox...



Am I detecting sarcasm?  A flashback to the late seventies?  Seriously, 
all accounting packages were written in BASIC until the early nineties, 
at least.


Still are, if you count MS Visual Basic as BASIC.

MAA


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Re: Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Stan Hoeppner]

Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] put forth on 4/26/2010 2:34 AM:
> Hello List,
> 
> I am trying to install Debian Testing on IBM eServer System p5.
> 
> I get a boot prompt where I enter
> "expert install video=ofonly"
> 
> It loads kernel then ELF and then I get a b/w screen saying,
> 
> 
> done
> instantiating rtas at 0x07716000  done
> WARNING: maximum cups (1) exceeded: ignoring extras
> copying OF device tree...
> Building dt strings...
> Building dt structure
> Device tree strings 0x01e01000 -> 0x01d023b3
> Device tree struct 0x01e03000 -> 0x01e12000
> Calling quiesce
> returning from prom_init
> _
> 
> 
> and then system freezes.
> 
> 
> What can be the solution for this problem?

Are you installing Debian to an LPAR or Debian on the bare metal Power5?

What installation media type are you using?

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Re: Problem with me Modem Huawei on Debian Lenny

[Christian Simo]

Hi

Thank you for your response.
before try all this solution.
Please found attach all following command shell:

Script started on Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:25:36 SAST
gaelle:/media/TUX-FOR-KOM# lsusb
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1267:0103 Logic3 / SpectraVideo plc G-720 Keyboard
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 045e:001e Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Explorer
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E1552
(HSPA modem)
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Transcend JetFlash
Flash Drive
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
gaelle:/media/TUX-FOR-KOM# exit
exit

Script done on Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:25:49 SAST


Script started on Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:04:25 SAST
gaelle:/media/usb0# wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60
--> Cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory
--> Cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory
--> Cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory
gaelle:/media/usb0# exit
exit

Script done on Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:04:32 SAST

Script started on Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:02:58 SAST
gaelle:/media/usb0# wvdialconf
Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'.

Scanning your serial ports for a modem.

ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 2400 baud, next try: 9600 baud
ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- failed with 9600 baud, next try: 115200 baud
ttyS0<*1>: ATQ0 V1 E1 -- and failed too at 115200, giving up.
Modem Port Scan<*1>: S1   S2   S3


Sorry, no modem was detected!  Is it in use by another program?
Did you configure it properly with setserial?

Please read the FAQ at http://open.nit.ca/wiki/?WvDial

If you still have problems, send mail to .
gaelle:/media/usb0# exit
exit

Script done on Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:03:11 SAST





On 4/25/10, Dale  wrote:
> On 25 April 2010 04:41, Danny  wrote:
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> It looks like Vista and Windows 7 people are experiencing the same problem
>> as
>> you are. If you go to the www.huawei.com forum you will find a bunch of
>> non
>> linux people have more or less the same problem with communicating with
>> this
>> modem.
>>
>> Just a stupid question, can Debian see this modem?
>> Do the following for a start just to see if Debian can see it :
>> dmesg | more | grep --color -A1 'dev'
>>
>> It is a simple command but at least you will see if it is recognised
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> On Apr 23 10, Umarzuki Mochlis :
>>> To: Christian Simo 
>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:11:41 +0800
>>> From: Umarzuki Mochlis 
>>> Subject: Re: Problem with me Modem Huawei on Debian Lenny
>>> X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>>
>>> i had done that once and documented it
>>> at http://umarzuki.org/blogku/?p=174
>>>
>>> P/S: use google translate to translate from Malay to English
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Christian Simo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Dear Team
>>>
>>>     Please, I am new on Debian, so I try to connect my Modem Huawei E1752
>>> on
>>>     Debian Lenny.
>>>     On Suse, I do it easy
>>>
>>>     Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>>     Christian
>>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have the Huawei E1762 usb dongle running under Lenny and Squeeze
> using pppd as were I live I have no access to dsl or cable.
>
> With Lenny you need to install the the kernel 2.6.30 from Debian
> backports[1] first, as the 2.6.28 kernels onwards will flip flop the
> device for you. At the moment it maybe just being picked up as a mass
> storage device and not a modem if you still using the 2.6.26 kernel.
> And if you want to stay with the 2.6.26 kernel you will have to
> install usb-modeswitch[3].
>
> Setting up wvdial this might help you[2].
>
>
> Regards
> Dale
>
> [1] http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
> [2] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/136
> [3] http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
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Re: Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक]]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
> Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] put forth on 4/26/2010 2:34 AM:
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I am trying to install Debian Testing on IBM eServer System p5.
>>
>> I get a boot prompt where I enter
>> "expert install video=ofonly"
>>
>> It loads kernel then ELF and then I get a b/w screen saying,
>>
>>
>> done
>> instantiating rtas at 0x07716000  done
>> WARNING: maximum cups (1) exceeded: ignoring extras
>> copying OF device tree...
>> Building dt strings...
>> Building dt structure
>> Device tree strings 0x01e01000 -> 0x01d023b3
>> Device tree struct 0x01e03000 -> 0x01e12000
>> Calling quiesce
>> returning from prom_init
>> _
>>
>>
>> and then system freezes.
>>
>>
>> What can be the solution for this problem?
>
> Are you installing Debian to an LPAR or Debian on the bare metal Power5?
>

No LPAR.

> What installation media type are you using?
>

CD


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:


(Why? ext3 and 4 are exceptionally well supported by Linux and GNU.  XFS
will be, too, probably.)


Are you kidding?  XFS already is all of the things you mention.  You
apparently need a history lesson.



No, XFS is not well-supported.   Sorry, it's not.

If you need rescuing. you are up that famous creek without any means of 
propulsion.  A 40-year veteran would recover.  A Freshman would say 
"screw it", and reformat.   To ext3.


MAA



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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:


I'd also guess that XFS seems "new" to a lot of people because it's never
been the default filesystem for any major Linux distro on i386/AMD64.


I wonder why.

_

Older is not better.

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:


XFS has had just as much development support in Linux as EXT3/4 have,
possibly more in some areas.


What does this prove?  Development does not equal support.

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:



Did I forget to mention that XFS is pretty old?  17 years old.


So what's your point?

MAA


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:


Sorry Stan,  Your defense of XFS has put me into troll mode.  It's a 
reflex.  I don't buy it, but I shouldn't troll.


I think you are confusing what is with what should be.

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Re: Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 13:04 +0530, Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I am trying to install Debian Testing on IBM eServer System p5.

I can't really help you with your problem, but would like to point out
that there is a mailing list for PowerPC [1], which might be worth a
try. And there are a couple of hits on Google for the error (prom-init
freeze) you get ... ;)

Are you using the squeeze installer? If so, I would try the stable
installer for the installation. Is there a special reason why you need
the squeeze installer? You can easily upgrade to squeeze later on or
oven install squeeze directly.

Good luck!

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Ron Johnson put forth on 4/26/2010 2:37 AM:
> On 04/26/2010 02:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:
>>
>>> (Why? ext3 and 4 are exceptionally well supported by Linux and GNU.  XFS
>>> will be, too, probably.)
>>
>> Are you kidding?  XFS already is all of the things you mention.  You
>> apparently need a history lesson.
>>
>> XFS went into production systems starting in 1993 on SGI's Indy
>> workstations.  XFS was GPL'd by SGI in 2000, and was in Linux mainline
>> just
>> before EXT3, since mid 2001 in kernel 2.4.  It was used almost
>> exclusively
>> on the IA64 Altix machines.  It took a while before non SGI customers
>> starting trying out XFS on i386 hardware.
> [snip]
> 
> They couldn't have directly take the Irix code and brought it directly
> to Linux.  It just wouldn't work, and Linus wouldn't allow such shimmed
> code into the mainline.
> 
> So, while there's an XFS which is 17 years old, the Linux xfs code is
> "only" 9-10 years old.

Absolutely correct.  I wasn't trying to imply the same exact code has been
around for 17 years.  Hell if that was the case I wouldn't be using it.
Whilst the initial Linux porting effort was more than a simple recompile, I
don't believe it was a herculanean effort.  Far more changes to the XFS code
have been made since inclusion in mainline than the changes required to get
from IRIX to Linux.

I actually saw a brief video interview of one of the SGI IRIX devs quite
some time ago in which he described the initial Linux port effort to get it
running on SGI's big Origin 3000 MIPS machines.  They had to do this to
start validating how everything would run under Linux because they didn't
have the first Itanium Altix systems manufactured yet.

IIRC their testbed was a 32 processor Origin 3000 running MIPS R14K
processors.  This was back before the Linux MIPS port project existed so
they were in essence creating the first Linux MIPS port as part of their
effort.  He clearly stated that developing/maintaining a Linux MIPS port was
not in the cards for SGI, that this effort was strictly a validation effort.
 He said it took about a week to get Linux booting on the Origin system, and
another week to get it stable.  The first XFS port to Linux was part of this
effort.  If it took only 2 weeks for the bulk of this effort, I can't
imagine they had to modify a ton of XFS code.  IRIX was written in C as is
Linux, so the changes in XFS were probably fairly minor.

I'd venture to guess that the most significant Linux XFS changes were those
for the 32bit X86 code base.  IRIX and thus XFS were born on 64bit MIPS RISC
CPUs.  Moving that to a Linux 64bit Itanium environment was probably
relatively straight forward.  Moving down to a 32bit platform probably
required a lot of code changes, as did the initial Linux 64bit ports up to
Alpha, HPPA, Itanium, and eventually MIPS64.

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Re: Different ways of creating a USB-install stick

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

James Stuckey wrote:

Hello,

I'm curious as to the different ways one can create a USB install 
stick, for the purpose of installing Debian.


It is possible to do it by
a) acquiring (where?) a boot.img.gz file, and then doing "zcat 
boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc". Then load a netboot iso to the disc.
b) making a FAT/FAT32 partition on the stick, and then doing "syslinux 
/dev/sdXX", copying vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the stick

c) using Unetbootin with an .iso file

I like the way Unetbootin allows one to use a larger .iso (dvd, or 
full cd iso). The downside of a) and b) is that you can only use the 
smaller netboot .isos, and if I wanted to load a few more files onto 
the disc for use I wouldn't have the room to do so.


Does anyone know another method? I'm particularly interested in 
knowing the way to do what Unetbootin does manually, so that I could 
load a cd/dvd iso onto the stick after making it boot-able.


Regards,
James


About c), I know that ubuntu can work that way, but has failed in the 
past with debian, because the debian installer believes it runs from a 
cd and tries to find the packages to be installed from the host's cdrom. 
I dont know if something has changed recently.


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reporting bugs in a helpful way [was Re: Want it? Give]

[Arthur Marsh]

Brent Clark wrote, on 11/04/10 12:26:

Hiya

I came across this blog

http://ryanbigg.com/2010/04/want-it-give/

and I couldn't agree more with this person.


Please mention the gist of what someone is saying rather than expect 
people to bring up the link in their $BROWSER. The subject you provided 
looked too much like spam (even though it reflected the linked article).




But I would like to bring this a little more home, and make it in the
Debian sense.
I would like to encourage more people to run Debian Testing, get more
debugging, but more importantly, please try and get involved. Submit
your findings. Take the time to learn reportbug.


reportbug doesn't help you re-open a bug (bug #157283 from 2002 [1]) or 
mark a bug as forwarded upstream (bug #579201 just reported by me [2]). 
It is very good on providing version information of the package and its 
dependencies but is let down by those omissions.


For anyone's information, the guide at
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
provides information on marking a bug as reported upstream, re-opening a 
bug report, and many more developer-oriented options.



You be surprised in the little contributions that help the greater and I
think its a satisfying feeling.


Dan Pickett also has similar advice on contributing back to Rails 3. He
makes a good point that if you are able to demonstrate that you have
contributed to Rails that it looks awesome on your CV / Resume.

I could not agree more on this. I know this, because it has worked in my
favour.

Everyones mileage may vary, but I believe whole heartily that the really
winner is Debian and the community.

Kind Regards
Brent Clark


There is more to it than that. Be constructive in bug reporting and 
don't be afraid to ask for help in how to isolate the problem. If you're 
prepared to ask how to perform a git-bisect of the kernel (for a kernel 
problem that causes a reproducible error) or run the program under gdb
or its debug options to catch error behaviour, you can help solve a 
problem with the kernel/program.


Even if you only report a difficult to reproduce problem with report, 
the fact that the problem exists is made available to the package 
maintainer and other users with at least the version of the package and 
its dependencies included.


Arthur.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=157283
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579201


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Re: Problem with me Modem Huawei on Debian Lenny

[Alexander Samad]

Hi
I have a different 3g usb modem, and I have found after .31 there is a
problem loading the firmware into the device. maybe you are running
into the same problem.

There was a change to the qcserial - there is a regression bug again
32+ which make the firmware fail.

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Re: Replies to the list

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:11:57 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón writes:

>> I use Gmane (e-mail to news gateway) to send posts and read the list
>> via Pan newsreader.
>>
>>>From time to time Gmane have had some "glitches" (messages can be
>>>delayed
>> or in the worst cases, they are lost) but if the post reached the list
>> archive, you (everyone subscribed) also should get it:
>>
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

> But the matter is that I can see _all_ your answers everywhere, but by
> e-mail, where some answers (only from you) are completely unreceived.

One thing you could do is contact the mail list admin and ask for a 
concrete "Message-ID:" (of one of the e-mails you didn't receive) to 
check if it was correctly sent out to all the list members.

True is that I'm not sure how to manage this. I'm reluctant to think your 
e-mail provider is dropping *just* my e-mais... that makes no sense :-/

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 3:10 AM:
> On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> 
>> XFS has had just as much development support in Linux as EXT3/4 have,
>> possibly more in some areas.
> 
> What does this prove?  Development does not equal support.

I thought you were talking about developer support, as in XFS devs getting
support from other kernel devs and/or support directly from Linus and/or
Alan.  I've seen posts on the xfs mailing list from both Linus and Alan.
XFS is very much a mainline supported filessytem.  Don't forget there are a
few companies who _require_ XFS to work well on Linux.

If you're talking about end user support, the XFS mailing list members,
whilst mostly engaged in dev stuff, are very gracious with helping XFS end
users who are having problems.

As far as getting help with an XFS problem here on debian-user, of course
you're possibly SOL.  From what I've seen, most of the OPs on debian-user
are desktop or mobile users, not server OPs.  Of the server OPs on here,
most aren't dealing with multi-hundred terabyte filesystems on big FC SAN
storage that need the massive throughput and the backup, restore, freeze to
snapshot, and other features of XFS.

I'd venture to guess that most of the systems using XFS around the world are
running SLES just because of the vendor support deals.  SLES ships on SGI's
machines which use XFS by default.  IBM bundles SLES on many of its X86 and
Power machines, as well as on zSeries as a VM.  There's plenty of hardware
vendor and OS vendor support for XFS if you buy one of these machines and
use SLES.

I freely admit that XFS penetration in the Debian world, or any other
non-big-vendor backed Linux, is going to be sparse.  The need that would
drive XFS adoption just doesn't exist for the hobbyist or average Debian
server OP.  The other available filesystems mostly meet their needs.  XFS
does have many features/advantages that could benefit many Debian systems.
But, yes, the OP wouldn't likely get help for it here.  That said, I can't
recall too many emergency cries here for help with any filesystem problem.

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ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

When upgrading with apt-get, I sometimes encounter

==
ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
magic bytes at the start
==

How can I solve this problem?

Thanks.

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Re: GNOME crashes when .xsession file is present.

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-04-25, Disc Magnet  wrote:
---SNIP---
> I was just experimenting to see if I can
> put any startup commands which will run everytime I log into GNOME. In
> both trials, GNOME crashed.

Put the commands in .gnomerc (for GNOME only) or .xsessionrc (for all X
sessions). If you want to start graphical applications, put the
appropriate .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart, or use the GNOME
session manager for the purpose. As others have pointed out, the file
.xsession should be reserved for starting an X session.

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Re: USB key accepts data only as root

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:16:31 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> To put data on my USB key, I need to be root. This does not sound
> normal. How can I tweak this?

Not normal.

When I attach a flash drive I get:

s...@stt008:~$ mount | grep media
/dev/sdc1 on /media/disk type vfat 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000)

Look that "uid=1000".

s...@stt008:~$ ls -l /media/ | grep disk
drwxr-xr-x 3 sm01 root 16384 ene  1  1970 disk

Open GConf Editor and navigate to "/system/storage/default_options/vfat" 
key. It should say:

mount_options [shortname=lower,uid=]

Also, check your "/etc/fstab" file, there should be nothing about the usb 
flash drive. This is auto-handle by HAL and "gnome-mount".

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Re: USB key accepts data only as root

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-04-25, Merciadri Luca  wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> To put data on my USB key, I need to be root. This does not sound
> normal. How can I tweak this?

Is the user a member of the plugdev group?

>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 3:22 AM:
> On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:
> 
> Sorry Stan,  Your defense of XFS has put me into troll mode.  It's a
> reflex.  I don't buy it, but I shouldn't troll.
> 
> I think you are confusing what is with what should be.

A'ight, you forced me to pull out the big gun.  Choke on it.  The master
penguin himself, kernel.org, has run on XFS since 2008.  Sorry for the body
slam.  Is your back ok Mark? ;)  Pretty sure I just "won" this discussion.
Err, actually, XFS wins. ;)  BTW, the main Debian mirror in the U.S. is
actually housed in kernel.org last I checked.  Thus, the files on your
system were very likely originally served from XFS.

 The Linux Kernel Archives

"A bit more than a year ago (as of October 2008) kernel.org, in an ever
increasing need to squeeze more performance out of it's machines, made the
leap of migrating the primary mirror machines (mirrors.kernel.org) to XFS.
We site a number of reasons including fscking 5.5T of disk is long and
painful, we were hitting various cache issues, and we were seeking better
performance out of our file system."

"After initial tests looked positive we made the jump, and have been quite
happy with the results. With an instant increase in performance and
throughput, as well as the worst xfs_check we've ever seen taking 10
minutes, we were quite happy. Subsequently we've moved all primary mirroring
file-systems to XFS, including www.kernel.org , and mirrors.kernel.org. With
an average constant movement of about 400mbps around the world, and with
peaks into the 3.1gbps range serving thousands of users simultaneously it's
been a file system that has taken the brunt we can throw at it and held up
spectacularly."

http://www.xfs.org/index.php/XFS_Companies#The_Linux_Kernel_Archives

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Re: Upgrading xorg Lenny->Testing

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2010-04-25, Felix Natter  wrote:
> hello,
>
> I am currently running on VESA driver with Lenny's xorg (7.3),
> because my Geforce 310M is only supported in xserver-xorg-video-nv
>>= 2.1.17 (Squeeze).
>
> Now I can try to build the xorg, xorg-server and xserver-xorg-video-nv
> source packages and install them, but I must rely on this system
> so my question is whether there is a chance that this will break
> anything?
>
> Thanks,

It sounds like you are thinking of backporting xorg to lenny. It might
be worth asking on the debian.backports.general list. Maybe someone has
already tried it?

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 4:53 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 3:22 AM:

On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:


Sorry Stan,  Your defense of XFS has put me into troll mode.  It's a
reflex.  I don't buy it, but I shouldn't troll.

I think you are confusing what is with what should be.


A'ight, you forced me to pull out the big gun.  Choke on it.



I was trying to apologize.

This is the user list.  Of Debian.  Not the SA list of IRIX.

I am holding my opinion as a *user*.  Other people come here, ask 
questions, I assume they are asking from the POV of a desktop user, 
unless they say otherwise.  Sometimes I miss the introductions, or 
otherwise miss the point.  Then I give bad advice.  Hold silly opinions.


From the POV of Joe Hobbyist, XFS is not suitable.  From the POV of a 
Server Administrator, it might well be very suitable.  YMMV.


MAA


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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Merciadri Luca]

Anand Sivaram wrote:
> Just see which package it belongs to.  From root,
> dpkg --search /usr/lib/libwins.so
>
> If it belongs to some packet, try to reinstall it.
> apt-get install --reinstall 
> Then see the problem is repeating.
Unfortunately, it gives
`dpkg: /usr/lib/libwins.so not found.' :-(

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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:06:23 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> When upgrading with apt-get, I sometimes encounter
> 
> ==
> ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
> magic bytes at the start
> ==
> 
> How can I solve this problem?

Not sure... maybe the file has been corrupted somehow or is not present 
anymore.

Anyway, is that file name correct? I cannot find any reference to that 
"libwins.so" in the whle Ggle :-)

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mkfifo question

[Mag Gam]

Hello,

Currently I download a file (which is about 700MB) from wget and place
it in my /tmp and do my task on the file. If I have to work with 10 of
these fies at a single time I have to have 10 files in /tmp;

I was wondering if anyone has a clever idea how I can avoid having all
10 in /tmp and have a pipe or a "virtual file" so the program things
there is actually a file there.  Is it possible to fake out the OS
like that?


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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Javier Barroso]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
> Mark Allums put forth on 4/26/2010 3:22 AM:
>> On 4/26/2010 2:14 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>> Mark Allums put forth on 4/25/2010 1:19 AM:
>>
>> Sorry Stan,  Your defense of XFS has put me into troll mode.  It's a
>> reflex.  I don't buy it, but I shouldn't troll.
>>
>> I think you are confusing what is with what should be.
>
> A'ight, you forced me to pull out the big gun.  Choke on it.  The master
> penguin himself, kernel.org, has run on XFS since 2008.  Sorry for the body
> slam.  Is your back ok Mark? ;)  Pretty sure I just "won" this discussion.
> Err, actually, XFS wins. ;)  BTW, the main Debian mirror in the U.S. is
> actually housed in kernel.org last I checked.  Thus, the files on your
> system were very likely originally served from XFS.
>
>  The Linux Kernel Archives
>
> "A bit more than a year ago (as of October 2008) kernel.org, in an ever
> increasing need to squeeze more performance out of it's machines, made the
> leap of migrating the primary mirror machines (mirrors.kernel.org) to XFS.
> We site a number of reasons including fscking 5.5T of disk is long and
> painful, we were hitting various cache issues, and we were seeking better
> performance out of our file system."
>
> "After initial tests looked positive we made the jump, and have been quite
> happy with the results. With an instant increase in performance and
> throughput, as well as the worst xfs_check we've ever seen taking 10
> minutes, we were quite happy. Subsequently we've moved all primary mirroring
> file-systems to XFS, including www.kernel.org , and mirrors.kernel.org. With
> an average constant movement of about 400mbps around the world, and with
> peaks into the 3.1gbps range serving thousands of users simultaneously it's
> been a file system that has taken the brunt we can throw at it and held up
> spectacularly."
>
> http://www.xfs.org/index.php/XFS_Companies#The_Linux_Kernel_Archives
Hello Stan,

Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if
it is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to
defaults if it is possible

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Re: Replies to the list

[Merciadri Luca]

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Camaleón  writes:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:11:57 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> Camaleón writes:
>
>>> I use Gmane (e-mail to news gateway) to send posts and read the list
>>> via Pan newsreader.
>>>
From time to time Gmane have had some "glitches" (messages can be
delayed
>>> or in the worst cases, they are lost) but if the post reached the list
>>> archive, you (everyone subscribed) also should get it:
>>>
>>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>
>> But the matter is that I can see _all_ your answers everywhere, but by
>> e-mail, where some answers (only from you) are completely unreceived.
>
> One thing you could do is contact the mail list admin and ask for a 
> concrete "Message-ID:" (of one of the e-mails you didn't receive) to 
> check if it was correctly sent out to all the list members.
Before doing this, you could try to send me an e-mail to my e-mail
adress (at ulg). It is quite possible that my university blocks your
e-mail for a reason which is still unknown to me.

> True is that I'm not sure how to manage this. I'm reluctant to think your 
> e-mail provider is dropping *just* my e-mais... that makes no sense
> :-/
You may try to send me a test e-mail, for example your answer to a
message. We will discuss after. But that's weird.

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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Camaleón]

El 2010-04-26 a las 17:14 +0530, Anand Sivaram escribió:

(resending to the list)

> Did you try "file /usr/lib/libwins.so" to see the file type?

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Re: Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

[James P. Wallen]

On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400
"James P. Wallen"  wrote:

...


Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless
work in a couple of these notebooks.


Firmware runs on the external hardware, not the system, so system
stability shouldn't be an issue.  I assume that here it's just the
principle of the thing.

Celejar


I'd characterize it as a combination of principle and curiosity. I 
really want to see how well I can accomplish what I want to do and what 
I need to do using only FOSS. I'm relatively new to GNU/Linux, but I've 
had very few problems that were at all difficult to resolve. Come to 
think of it, the only problems that were absolutely indomitable were 
caused by the use of non-free software / drivers in my earlier forays 
into the various distributions. I guess those experiences have 
strengthened my resolve to stick with FOSS.


I have to admit that GoogleEarth would be a nice thing to have.

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Re: 32000 directories (somewhat OT)

[John Hasler]

Paul E Condon writes:
> I worked on a personal project last year in which I ran into the 32k
> limit and solved the problem by imposing a simple structure on my
> directory names.

It's easy if you are planning ahead.  This guy is stuck with an
application (presumably closed-source) that already requires a flat file
structure.

> I think because Apple didn't want to trouble their users with
> difficult concepts, like telephones and dialing a telephone number.

The on-screen rebus for a directory was a little dohicky that Apple's
designers imagined looked like a picture of a manila folder.  The idea
was to sooth computerphobic office workers by making their screens look
just like their desktops.  That's the origin of the "desktop metaphor".
Fortunately, they did not decide to label disk drives "drawers".

> Who remembers dialing?

I do, of course.  I even have several working 500Ds somewhere in the
junk box.

> Where did that word come from? ;-)

Wikipedia says "The word dialling originally referred to the creation of
the mathematics required to create a sundial face to tell time based on
the position of the sun. Those skilled in the art were referred to as
dialists or gnomonists; taken from the word gnomon (a device using a
shadow as an indicator)."
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Re: mkfifo question

[Anand Sivaram]

fifo is just like pipe, but there is a name/filesystem entry for that.  you
could assume that fifo is splitting the standard
program1 | programs into two parts using the named fifo.

In this case it depends how your program is doing the processing, whether it
processes one file each after downloading or at once after downloading them
all.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 17:06, Mag Gam  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Currently I download a file (which is about 700MB) from wget and place
> it in my /tmp and do my task on the file. If I have to work with 10 of
> these fies at a single time I have to have 10 files in /tmp;
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a clever idea how I can avoid having all
> 10 in /tmp and have a pipe or a "virtual file" so the program things
> there is actually a file there.  Is it possible to fake out the OS
> like that?
>
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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
>> Did you try "file /usr/lib/libwins.so" to see the file type?
>> 
It gives `/usr/lib/libwins.so: data'.


P.S.: This time, your message was correctly received in my e-mail inbox.

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Re: overcoming the 32k objects limit is ext3 - which file system to use?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 07:17:22AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:

> In English the slash is understood to mean "or".  There is no limit of
> 32000 files or folders under a folder in ext3.
> 
> There is a limit of 31998 directories under a directory.  This is caused by
> the ext3 hard link count limit being 32000.  Two links are needed for the
> parent directory entry and the current directory's ".", leaving only
> 31998 links available for ".." links from subdirectories.
> 
> This limit is rarely encountered in practice because it is so much more
> efficient to use multiple directory levels, e.g.:
> 
> parent-
>   a-
> able
> alf
>   b-
> beta
> bravo

Hmm... what happens if you have a program that behaves that way, but
suddenly needs to start also using Chinese characters? :-)

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Re: overcoming the 32k objects limit is ext3 - which file system to use?

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Seg, 26 Abr 2010, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 07:17:22AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:

This limit is rarely encountered in practice because it is so much more
efficient to use multiple directory levels, e.g.:

parent-
  a-
able
alf
  b-
beta
bravo


Hmm... what happens if you have a program that behaves that way, but
suddenly needs to start also using Chinese characters? :-)


parent-
  1-

  2-

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Re: overcoming the 32k objects limit is ext3 - which file system to use?

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/26/2010 07:58 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 07:17:22AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> 
>> In English the slash is understood to mean "or".  There is no limit of
>> 32000 files or folders under a folder in ext3.
>>
>> There is a limit of 31998 directories under a directory.  This is caused by
>> the ext3 hard link count limit being 32000.  Two links are needed for the
>> parent directory entry and the current directory's ".", leaving only
>> 31998 links available for ".." links from subdirectories.
>>
>> This limit is rarely encountered in practice because it is so much more
>> efficient to use multiple directory levels, e.g.:
>>
>> parent-
>>a-
>>  able
>>  alf
>>b-
>>  beta
>>  bravo
> 
> Hmm... what happens if you have a program that behaves that way, but
> suddenly needs to start also using Chinese characters? :-)
> 

Um, well, use the first Chinese character as a sub-directory name.

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Re: Suspend to Disk + blacklisted module = still trouble

[Felix Natter]

Camaleón  writes:

> On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:06:13 +0200, Felix Natter wrote:
>
>> Felix Natter writes:
>> 
>>> so verbosity 1 should output something, but I will try 4.
>> 
>> Changing verbosity didn't help, I still have no hibernate.log anywhere
>> in /var.

hello Camaleon,

> So you changed "Verbosity 4" and "LogVerbosity 4" but still nothing in "/
> var/log/hibernate.log"? Strange... as soon as the system is called to 
> hibernate, it should start filling that file.
>
> BTW, how do you call the hibernation state? You should type "hibernation" 
> in a text console (gnome-terminal, xterm, konsole...).

That was it: I used the GNOME shutdown dialog: I thought it would call
hibernate?

When I use hibernate, I get this log:

Starting suspend at Mo 26. Apr 09:00:05 CEST 2010
hibernate: [01] Executing CheckLastResume ... 
hibernate: [01] Executing CheckRunlevel ... 
hibernate: [01] Executing LockFileGet ... 
hibernate: [01] Executing NewKernelFileCheck ... 
hibernate: [10] Executing EnsureSysfsPowerStateCapable ... 
hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksSuspendHook1 ... 
hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRO ... 
hibernate: [89] Executing SaveKernelModprobe ... 
hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... 
Unloading blacklisted modules listed /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules
Unloading blacklisted module uvcvideo (and dependencies)
hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... 
Unloading blacklisted modules listed /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules
hibernate: [95] Executing XHacksSuspendHook2 ... 
hibernate: [98] Executing CheckRunlevel ... 
hibernate: [99] Executing DoSysfsPowerStateSuspend ... 
hibernate: Activating sysfs power state disk ...
hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesLoad ... 
Loading module uvcvideo (from auto)...
Loading module uvcvideo (from auto)...
hibernate: [89] Executing RestoreKernelModprobe ... 
hibernate: [85] Executing XHacksResumeHook2 ... 
hibernate: [70] Executing ClockRestore ... 
hibernate: [70] Executing ClockRestore ... 
hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRW ... 
hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksResumeHook1 ... 
hibernate: [01] Executing NoteLastResume ... 
hibernate: [01] Executing LockFilePut ... 
Resumed at Mo 26. Apr 14:54:00 CEST 2010

=> so it seems to work. Still I got an error message and hangup
concerning uvcvideo on resume a few days ago, but unfortunately I don't
have the error message around.

Thank you for your help! Maybe the problem is fixed by using
/usr/sbin/hibernate.
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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:56:21 +0200, Javier Barroso wrote:

> Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if it
> is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to defaults
> if it is possible

XFS (and ReiserFS) were having (still have?) problems with GRUB legacy 
bootloader so defaulting the filsesystem to any of them could be a bit 
"risky".

I mean, not only "performance" is a key factor to determine a default 
filesystem :-)

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Re: Just testing...

[Merciadri Luca]

Camaleón wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This a simple e-mail just for testing purposes (regarding to Debian 
> mailing list problems with my replies).
>
> Hope you can receive this O.K. :-)
>   
No problem. Even weirder! I assure you that I sometimes did not receive
your answers. I simply cannot understand this.

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Stan Hoeppner]

Javier Barroso put forth on 4/26/2010 6:56 AM:

> Hello Stan,
> 
> Why Debian Installer doesn't change its default filesystem to xfs if
> it is better than ext3 / ext4? I think always is better stick to
> defaults if it is possible
> 
> Thanks for your explications !

If one disk filesystem was better than all the others in all ways, then
Linus would only allow one FS in the kernel tree.  As of 2.6.33 there are no
less than 7 stable primary disk filesystems offered in the kernel.  Your
question is a bit simplistic, and not really valid.  There is no single
"perfect" filesystem.  IMO, for servers anyway, XFS is pretty close.

Newbies _should_ always stick to defaults.  Experts install with expert
mode, and choose exactly what they want/need.

I didn't write the Debian installer so I can't tell you why EXT is the
default.  I can only speculate.  Thankfully the installer offers us expert
mode so we can do whatever we want.  In this regard, I guess the Debian team
considers EXT the best choice for non-experts.

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Re: 32000 directories (somewhat OT)

[Stan Hoeppner]

John Hasler put forth on 4/26/2010 7:07 AM:

> Fortunately, they did not decide to label disk drives "drawers".

Heh, IBM calls their server drive trays "drawers", and calls their CPU cards
"books".

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Re: Linux compatible mainboards -- tortuous paths

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It is amazing how asking what I thought was a simple question can lead
down a variety of long, tortuous paths.  Perhaps that possibility is one
of the virtues (or curses?) of the Debian system.

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Re: Suspend to Disk + blacklisted module = still trouble

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:09:36 +0200, Felix Natter wrote:

> Camaleón writes:

>> BTW, how do you call the hibernation state? You should type
>> "hibernation" in a text console (gnome-terminal, xterm, konsole...).
> 
> That was it: I used the GNOME shutdown dialog: I thought it would call
> hibernate?

I thought that was the problem :-)

GNOME seems to use another suspend/hibernate method and this package 
(hibernate) is a separate one. Indeed, I can hibernate the machine using 
GNOME shutdown menu but I have not installed that "hibernate" package at 
all.

> When I use hibernate, I get this log:
> 
> Starting suspend at Mo 26. Apr 09:00:05 CEST 2010 

(...)

> Unloading blacklisted modules listed /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules
> Unloading blacklisted module uvcvideo (and dependencies)

(...)

> hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesLoad ... 
> Loading module uvcvideo (from auto)... 
> Loading module uvcvideo (from auto)...

> => so it seems to work. 

Yes, and module is being unloaded/loaded as it should.

> Still I got an error message and hangup
> concerning uvcvideo on resume a few days ago, but unfortunately I don't
> have the error message around.

IIRC, you are using a non-default kernel (I mean, your kernel is not the 
one coming with Lenny) and maybe the error could be that :-?
 
> Thank you for your help! Maybe the problem is fixed by using
> /usr/sbin/hibernate.

Now that you already know how to use both methods (GNOME and 
"hibernate"), just try both from time to time. At least "hibernate" 
writes down a log file that can help you to debug any problem :-)

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Re: Just testing...

[Nick Douma]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Camaleón wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This a simple e-mail just for testing purposes (regarding to Debian 
> > mailing list problems with my replies).
> >
> > Hope you can receive this O.K. :-)
> >   
> No problem. Even weirder! I assure you that I sometimes did not receive
> your answers. I simply cannot understand this.

I did not receive your initial mail, only the reply from Merciadri.


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Re: Why are there no latest books written for Debian systems?

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:24:52 -0400 (EDT), martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> This is hardly a new book.  In fact, it was written in the days of Woody.
>> (Woody -> Sarge -> Etch -> Lenny -> Squeeze)
> 
> It was written in the days of the sarge freeze and is entirely
> focused on sarge.
>>
>> And parts of it are obsolete.  But the author focuses on the core
>> stuff of Unix/Linux, and so most of it is still current. It's an
>> excellent guide for how to accomplish common computing tasks in
>> Linux,
> 
> Interesting analysis. ;)
>
> 
> I /wanted/ to focus on Debian and leave out the "core stuff of
> Unix/Linux" and "common computing tasks", because that's documented
> elsewhere.
> 
> It is true that in the last 5 years, some parts have been obsoleted,
> but I'd say most of it still applies.
> 
> Regardless, there's a need for a new edition. I am working on it.

I think there may be some confusion here, Mr. Krafft.  The comments
I made above were not in reference to anything _you_ wrote.  They were
in reference to the original edition of "The Linux Cookbook", by
Michael Stutz, which was copyrighted in 2001.

   http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html

I suggest that you go back and look more closely at my original post.

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Re: Icedove/Thunderbird 3.0 (was Re: The future of "nv" ...)

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 04/25/2010 10:17 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 04/25/2010 09:56 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

[snip]


You might want to try Help -> Migration Assistant -> Use Original 
Toolbar

That might be more familiar to you.



I'd already done that, but decided to take another look at MA, and thus
disabled "Smart folders mode".



BTW, thanks for reminding me of that...



Must be the reason I am still on version 2.0.0.19 (20081209)

Hugo


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Re: Just testing...

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:17:29 +0200, Nick Douma wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Camaleón wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > This a simple e-mail just for testing purposes (regarding to Debian
>> > mailing list problems with my replies).
>> >
>> > Hope you can receive this O.K. :-)
>> >   
>> No problem. Even weirder! I assure you that I sometimes did not receive
>> your answers. I simply cannot understand this.
> 
> I did not receive your initial mail, only the reply from Merciadri.

Yes, that is because I sent the test message to Merciadri "directly" (to 
his e-mail address) but then he replied to the list :-)

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Questions about RAID 6

[Tim Clewlow]

Hi there,

I'm getting ready to build a RAID 6 with 4 x 2TB drives to start,
but the intention is to add more drives as storage requirements
increase.

My research/googling suggests ext3 supports 16TB volumes if block
size is 4096 bytes, but some sites suggest the 32 bit arch means it
is restricted to 4TB no matter what block size I use. So, does ext3
(and relevent utilities, particularly resize2fs and e2fsck) on 32
bit i386 arch support 16TB volumes?

I intend to use mdadm to build / run the array. If an unrecoverable
read error (bad block that on disk circuitry cant resolve) is
discovered on a disk then how does mdadm handle this? It appears the
possibilities are:
1) the disk gets marked as failed in the array - ext3 does not get
notified of a bad block
2) mdadm uses free space to construct a new stripe (from remaining
raid data) to replace the bad one - ext3 does not get notified of a
bad block
3) mdadm passes the requested data (again reconstructed from
remaining good blocks) up to ext3 and then tells ext3 that all those
blocks (from the single stripe) are now bad, and you deal with it
(ext3 can mark and reallocate storage location if it is told of bad
blocks too).

I would really like to hear it is either 2 or 3 as I would prefer
not to have an entire disk immediately marked bad due to one
unrecoverable read error - I would prefer to be notified instead so
I can still have RAID 6 protecting "most" of the data until the disk
gets replaced.

Regards, Tim.


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Re: Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक]]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Wolodja Wentland
 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 13:04 +0530, Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] wrote:
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I am trying to install Debian Testing on IBM eServer System p5.
>
> I can't really help you with your problem, but would like to point out
> that there is a mailing list for PowerPC [1], which might be worth a
> try. And there are a couple of hits on Google for the error (prom-init
> freeze) you get ... ;)
>
> Are you using the squeeze installer? If so, I would try the stable
> installer for the installation. Is there a special reason why you need
> the squeeze installer? You can easily upgrade to squeeze later on or
> oven install squeeze directly.
>

The only reason I used squeeze installer because I thought, since it's
latest.. it will have proper support for powerpc. I did google for
"prom_init" thing... but couldn't find a solution. :(

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Re: VM software for personal use?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 04/25/2010 09:39 PM, John Hasler wrote:

Glenn English writes:

A Lisp OS!!???


Pikers.


I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an
accounting package in BASIC.


I used a commercial accounting package written in BASIC.  Worked fine.


Snot-nosed kids never heard of Business BASIC or MAI Basic-4, or know 
the sublime beauty of COBOL written by masters of the craft.




Used LISP for years at IBM Research

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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:40:30 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:
>>> Did you try "file /usr/lib/libwins.so" to see the file type?
>>> 
> It gives `/usr/lib/libwins.so: data'.

Review your "/var/log/apt/term.*" files to find any hint about where that 
file comes from. I cannot find any reference to it in any place :-?

> P.S.: This time, your message was correctly received in my e-mail inbox.

Good :-)

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Re: VM software for personal use?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

B. Alexander wrote:
Amen to that! IMHO, vmware merely pays lip service to Linux. 12 years 
ago, when we were using Linux on the job, we (and many, many others) 
were asking for a Linux client. We are now at VSphere 4, and still only 
windows clients.


VMware server is even worse. It runs on Linux, and it worked okay, but 
you are frozen in time -- no updates -- lest you break your install. I 
did that on my vmware server installation, and then I upgraded. I could 
not get the vmware modules to compile on a reasonably modern kernel. So 
I went back to an earlier kernel (2.6.30, iirc), and once I got the 
modules compiled, the web interface only worked about one time in 3. So 
I am pretty much done with vmware.


Now, since I only have 32 bit machines, I guess I'll be doing Xen, since 
as good as it is, VBox is good for desktop-type virtualization, rather 
than machine consolidation. Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, 
its still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up.


--b

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom > wrote:


Mark Allums wrote:

On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote:

Hi all,


P.S.  Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for
debian-user.  If there's a better place to ask this
question, I'd like
to know that, too.


Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything
else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB.  I
would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were
prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what
Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun.

Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you
definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a
speed demon.

I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view,
but the best ones are not free in any sense.  Microsoft's
Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too
much baggage.  Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and
though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than
previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time.


And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to
VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their
Linux attention leaves something to be desired.



Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only 
network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru 
samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the 
others do it that easy?


Hugo

















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aptitude and held packages

[Rick Pasotto]

I just upgraded apt and aptitude to the latest testing version. Although
'aptitude -s safe-upgrade' tells me that '172 not upgraded' it no longer
lists them. Is this a bug or an intentional change?

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Re: VM software for personal use?

[ghe]

On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Used LISP for years at IBM Research


No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others 
more suited for systems work.


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Re: Just testing...

[Merciadri Luca]

Nick Douma wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>
> I did not receive your initial mail, only the reply from Merciadri.
>   
Normal, he did not send it to the mailing list, and I sent inadvertently
my answer to the mailing list. Sorry.

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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Sjoerd Hardeman]

Camaleón schreef:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:40:30 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:


Camaleón wrote:

Did you try "file /usr/lib/libwins.so" to see the file type?


It gives `/usr/lib/libwins.so: data'.


Review your "/var/log/apt/term.*" files to find any hint about where that 
file comes from. I cannot find any reference to it in any place :-?
Or post your /etc/apt/sources.list. Maybe you are using a source that 
we're all not using that provides this file.


Sjoerd



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Re: VM software for personal use?

[Miles Fidelman]

ghe wrote:

On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Used LISP for years at IBM Research


No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others 
more suited for systems work.

As someone else pointed out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine


There have been more than one machines built - both academic and 
commercial - that ran LISP environments on bare metal.  Great environments.



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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Merciadri Luca]

Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> Camaleón schreef:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:40:30 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>
>>> Camaleón wrote:
> Did you try "file /usr/lib/libwins.so" to see the file type?
> 
>>> It gives `/usr/lib/libwins.so: data'.
>>
>> Review your "/var/log/apt/term.*" files to find any hint about where
>> that file comes from. I cannot find any reference to it in any place :-?
Amongst other stuff, it gives

==
Setting up libkrb53 (1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny3) ...
ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
magic bytes at the start.
Setting up libjasper1 (1.900.1-5.1+lenny1) ...
ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
magic bytes at the start.

Setting up libpng12-0 (1.2.27-2+lenny3) ...
ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
magic bytes at the start.

Setting up pidgin-data (2.4.3-4lenny6) ...
Setting up libpurple0 (2.4.3-4lenny6) ...
ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong
magic bytes at the start.
==

Any idea why all these packages could be broken?
> Or post your /etc/apt/sources.list. Maybe you are using a source that
> we're all not using that provides this file.
If necessary, I can do it.

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Re: USB key accept data only as root

[Zoran Kolic]

> To put data on my USB key, I need to be root. This does not sound
> normal. How can I tweak this?

This sounds perfectly sane. Even better, it protects you from
yourself and from people around.
I suppose you are the only user of the node. Little tweaking
with permissions would let you go further, but I stay firm
against. Systems like openbsd or freebsd would not allow any
change or module load with security levels set high enough. It
is more restrictive and more secure, but less fancy for dude
behind the keyboard.
Best regards

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Re: Why are there no latest books written for Debian systems?

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Stephen Powell  [2010.04.26.1617 +0200]:
> I think there may be some confusion here, Mr. Krafft.  The comments
> I made above were not in reference to anything _you_ wrote.  They were
> in reference to the original edition of "The Linux Cookbook", by
> Michael Stutz, which was copyrighted in 2001.

Ha! But you did quote a sentence on my book and then started with
"This". I didn't actually read much further. ;)

No harm done.

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Tim Clewlow]

Ok, I found the answer to my second question - it fails the entire
disk. So the first question remains.

Does ext3 (and relevent utilities, particularly resize2fs and
e2fsck) on 32 bit i386 arch support 16TB volumes?

Regards, Tim.


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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 9:29 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:

Hi there,

I'm getting ready to build a RAID 6 with 4 x 2TB drives to start,
but the intention is to add more drives as storage requirements
increase.

My research/googling suggests ext3 supports 16TB volumes if block
size is 4096 bytes, but some sites suggest the 32 bit arch means it
is restricted to 4TB no matter what block size I use. So, does ext3
(and relevent utilities, particularly resize2fs and e2fsck) on 32
bit i386 arch support 16TB volumes?

I intend to use mdadm to build / run the array. If an unrecoverable
read error (bad block that on disk circuitry cant resolve) is
discovered on a disk then how does mdadm handle this? It appears the
possibilities are:
1) the disk gets marked as failed in the array - ext3 does not get
notified of a bad block
2) mdadm uses free space to construct a new stripe (from remaining
raid data) to replace the bad one - ext3 does not get notified of a
bad block
3) mdadm passes the requested data (again reconstructed from
remaining good blocks) up to ext3 and then tells ext3 that all those
blocks (from the single stripe) are now bad, and you deal with it
(ext3 can mark and reallocate storage location if it is told of bad
blocks too).

I would really like to hear it is either 2 or 3 as I would prefer
not to have an entire disk immediately marked bad due to one
unrecoverable read error - I would prefer to be notified instead so
I can still have RAID 6 protecting "most" of the data until the disk
gets replaced.

Regards, Tim.




I'm afraid that opinions of RAID vary widely on this list (no surprise) 
but you may be interested to note that we agree (a consensus) that 
software-RAID 6 is an unfortunate choice.


I believe that the answer to your question is none of the above.  The 
closest is (2.).  As I'm sure you know, RAID 6 uses block-level 
striping.  So, what happens is a matter of policy, but I believe that 
data that is believed lost is recovered from parity, and rewritten to 
the array.[0]  The error is logged, and the status of the drive is 
changed.  If the drive doesn't fail outright, depending on policy[1], 
the drive may be re-verified or dropped out.  However, mdadm handles the 
error, because it is a lower level failure than ext3.


The problem is when the drive is completely 100% in use (no spare 
capacity).  In that case, no new stripe is created, because there is no 
room to put one.  The data is moved to unused area[1], and the status of 
the drive is changed. (your scenario 1.)  ext3 is still unaware.


The file system is a logical layer on top of RAID, and will only become 
aware of changes to the disk structure when it is unavoidable.  RAID 
guarantees a certain capacity.  If you create a volume with 1 TB 
capacity, the volume will always have that capacity.


If you set this up, be sure to also combine it with LVM2.  Then you have 
much greater flexibility about what to do when recovering from failures.



[0]  This depends on the implementation, and I don't know what mdadm 
does.  Some implementations might do this automatically, but I think 
most would require a rebuild.


[1] Again, I forget what mdadm does in this case.  Anybody?



I'm sorry, I seem to have avoided answering a crucial part of your 
question.  I think that the md device documentation is what you want.



MAA






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using umlaut works in console, not in Citrix client

[Benedict Verheyen]

Hi,

i'm using Debian stable on a Toshiba  Satellite Pro laptop with an azerty
keyboard layout (Belgian period) and when i use the Citrix client (v11),
it doesn't translate all the key combinations correctly.
I cannot use an umlaut with a small caps letter, it automatically makes
the small letter a capital letter with an umlaut. It however works in the
console and in an xterm, but not when i'm in citrix.

If i change the keyboard layout to Dutch in the Citrix settings, then i'm able
to use the umlaut key correctly. When dealing with Citrix i usually specify
that the keyboard layout is specified in the User Profile, that's a Citrix 
option.
I tried specifying it as Belgian Dutch but that doesn't work.
The locale is "nl_BE.UTF-8"

It's a rather annoying problem as i want to install Debian on all the old
laptops we have and this is holding the conversion back.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 10:28 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:


Ok, I found the answer to my second question - it fails the entire
disk. So the first question remains.



I just figured that out---and I see you have too.

The difference between what we would like it to do, and what it actually 
does can be frustrating sometimes.  I think you can tell mdadm to 
(re-)verify the disk if you think it is okay, just has one bad block. 
But I never trust failing hard disks.  It's a losing game.


MAA





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Re: Why are there no latest books written for Debian systems?

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:26:40 -0400 (EDT), martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> also sprach Stephen Powell  [2010.04.26.1617 +0200]:
>> I think there may be some confusion here, Mr. Krafft.  The comments
>> I made above were not in reference to anything _you_ wrote.  They were
>> in reference to the original edition of "The Linux Cookbook", by
>> Michael Stutz, which was copyrighted in 2001.
> 
> Ha! But you did quote a sentence on my book and then started with
> "This". I didn't actually read much further. ;)
> 
> No harm done.

I'll try to make my segue more clear next time.  Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Why are there no latest books written for Debian systems?

[Lisi]

On Monday 26 April 2010 16:48:01 Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:26:40 -0400 (EDT), martin f krafft wrote:
> > also sprach Stephen Powell  [2010.04.26.1617 +0200]:
> >> I think there may be some confusion here, Mr. Krafft.  The comments
> >> I made above were not in reference to anything _you_ wrote.  They were
> >> in reference to the original edition of "The Linux Cookbook", by
> >> Michael Stutz, which was copyrighted in 2001.
> >
> > Ha! But you did quote a sentence on my book and then started with
> > "This". I didn't actually read much further. ;)
> >
> > No harm done.
>
> I'll try to make my segue more clear next time.  Sorry for the confusion.

I misunderstood it too. :-(  You said "this" which I took to refer to the book 
that was under discussion, rather than to refer forwards to the book you were 
about to recommend.

Lisi


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Re: USB key accept data only as root

[Merciadri Luca]

Zoran Kolic wrote:
>
> This sounds perfectly sane. Even better, it protects you from
> yourself and from people around.
> I suppose you are the only user of the node. Little tweaking
> with permissions would let you go further, but I stay firm
> against. Systems like openbsd or freebsd would not allow any
> change or module load with security levels set high enough. It
> is more restrictive and more secure, but less fancy for dude
> behind the keyboard.
>   
Thanks, Zoran. But is it the default setting under Debian?

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Re: Debian on IBM eServer System p5 - POWER Arch

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 20:03 +0530, Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Wolodja Wentland
>  wrote:

> > Are you using the squeeze installer? If so, I would try the stable
> > installer for the installation. Is there a special reason why you need
> > the squeeze installer? You can easily upgrade to squeeze later on or
> > oven install squeeze directly.
> >
> 
> The only reason I used squeeze installer because I thought, since it's
> latest.. it will have proper support for powerpc. I did google for
> "prom_init" thing... but couldn't find a solution. :(

Did the stable installer work for you? The installer that will be
shipped with squeeze is still in development and should not be
considered stable or ready for production systems (squeeze as well). I
recommend to run lenny on anything that is even remotely critical or
could be considered a production system.

If you need specific software or newer versions let us know and we will
help you to install it. If you have to upgrade to testing we can also
provide support with that, but please mention your reasons for the
upgrade and the use of the machine you are running.
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[OT] Proof pudding (was: overcoming the 32k objects limit is ext3 - which file system to use?)

[Eric Gerlach]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 02:15:21PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> and the proof is in the pudding ;-)

Actually, the etymology of that phrase is really interesting, because if you
think about it, unless it's an alcoholised pudding, there's no proof.  The full
saying is: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating," which actually makes
sense.

The More You Know.

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Tim Clewlow]

> I'm afraid that opinions of RAID vary widely on this list (no
> surprise)
> but you may be interested to note that we agree (a consensus) that
> software-RAID 6 is an unfortunate choice.
>
.
Is this for performance reasons or potential data loss. I can live
with slow writes, reads should not be all that affected, but data
loss is something I'd really like to avoid.

Regards, Tim.


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Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[rudu]

Hi,
Running squeeze on AMD64 arch, my system recently stopped to let me get 
my consoles after I hit the ctrl+alt+Fn keys (n = 1 to 6).
Instead, my monitor first blackens then presents me the exact replica of 
my graphic session's screen except that it reacts to nothing, there is 
no mouse cursor anyway, until I hit ctrl+alt+F7 to get my fully 
functional graphic session back again.
I tried to replace gdm by kdm, to test from within KDE4 or gnome, and 
got the exact same behavior.
I don't know where to look now, nor which words would make a valuable 
google search ...


Thanks for any help.
Jean-Marc


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Resources for learning Linux

[James Stuckey]

Hello,

I've been using linux (debian) for about a year now, and although I'm no
longer scared of the command line I would like to do a little
reading/studying of linux to get a better understanding of some of the more
advanced topics, or to see if I have learned a lot of the things that might
be taught in a university-linux/UNIX course. I'm sure that there is a lot of
stuff that I've missed by just going at it with trial and error. Perhaps
there are some online courses posted to youtube, or a few books that someone
might like to recommend? I would be interested to know what types of things
one must learn to get "linux-certification" (I presume there is such a
thing).

Regards,
James

Re: Resources for learning Linux

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT), James Stuckey wrote:
> 
> I've been using linux (debian) for about a year now, and although I'm no
> longer scared of the command line I would like to do a little
> reading/studying of linux to get a better understanding of some of the more
> advanced topics, or to see if I have learned a lot of the things that might
> be taught in a university-linux/UNIX course. I'm sure that there is a lot of
> stuff that I've missed by just going at it with trial and error. Perhaps
> there are some online courses posted to youtube, or a few books that someone
> might like to recommend? I would be interested to know what types of things
> one must learn to get "linux-certification" (I presume there is such a
> thing).

My favorite free on-line reference for general Linux knowledge is currently
the original edition of "The Linux Cookbook", by Michael Stutz.  Here is the
link:

   http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html

There is a greatly expanded second edition of the book, which is more
comprehensive, but it is not free.  You have to pay for it.
Others, I'm sure, will have other ideas.

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Re: where is what kontrol did?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

I don't have KDE installed (fvwm instead) but use Konsole.

That has a warning funcion that shows up with a message 'KDE system 
notifications'.


It used to have a sound associated with it and I used to use kontrol to 
set that up. But kontrol is gone.


How do I get sound back for that notification?

I thought I had asked this question before but I can't find it.



I did:
http://nixforums.org/about98179-speaker-bell-in-konsole.html

Hugo


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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

rudu wrote:

Hi,
Running squeeze on AMD64 arch, my system recently stopped to let me get 
my consoles after I hit the ctrl+alt+Fn keys (n = 1 to 6).



When did it stop?


Instead, my monitor first blackens then presents me the exact replica of 
my graphic session's screen except that it reacts to nothing, there is 
no mouse cursor anyway, until I hit ctrl+alt+F7 to get my fully 
functional graphic session back again.
I tried to replace gdm by kdm, to test from within KDE4 or gnome, and 
got the exact same behavior.
I don't know where to look now, nor which words would make a valuable 
google search ...





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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[Matthew Moore]

On Monday April 26 2010 11:28:36 am rudu wrote:
> Running squeeze on AMD64 arch, my system recently stopped to let me get
> my consoles after I hit the ctrl+alt+Fn keys (n = 1 to 6).
> Instead, my monitor first blackens then presents me the exact replica of
> my graphic session's screen except that it reacts to nothing, there is
> no mouse cursor anyway, until I hit ctrl+alt+F7 to get my fully
> functional graphic session back again.
> I tried to replace gdm by kdm, to test from within KDE4 or gnome, and
> got the exact same behavior.
> I don't know where to look now, nor which words would make a valuable
> google search ...

Are you using an intel graphics chip? If so, there was a bug report about this 
awhile ago. IIRC you need to enable kernel mode setting: append video=i915 to 
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub.

MM


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Re: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:21:06 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
>> Camaleón schreef:

>>> Review your "/var/log/apt/term.*" files to find any hint about where
>>> that file comes from. I cannot find any reference to it in any place
>>> :-?

> Amongst other stuff, it gives
> 
> ==
(...)

> Setting up pidgin-data (2.4.3-4lenny6) ... Setting up libpurple0
> (2.4.3-4lenny6) ... ldconfig: /usr/lib/libwins.so is not an ELF file -
> it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
> ==
>
> Any idea why all these packages could be broken?

I can be wrong, but seems like "ldconfig" is just ran after each package 
installation and when tries to setup that "link" it just report the file 
is "broken", and logs the error.

But I still fail to see the origin of it :-?

Can you run "ldconfig -p | grep libwins" and put here the output?

>> Or post your /etc/apt/sources.list. Maybe you are using a source that
>> we're all not using that provides this file.
> If necessary, I can do it.

Yes, please, that could give us more ideas :-)

Greetings,

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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mark Allums]

On 4/26/2010 11:57 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:



I'm afraid that opinions of RAID vary widely on this list (no
surprise)
but you may be interested to note that we agree (a consensus) that
software-RAID 6 is an unfortunate choice.


.
Is this for performance reasons or potential data loss. I can live
with slow writes, reads should not be all that affected, but data
loss is something I'd really like to avoid.

Regards, Tim.





Performance.

RAID 6 (and 5) perform well when less than approximately 1/3 full. 
After that, even reads suffer.  True hardware RAID can compensate 
somewhat, but you are contemplating mdraid.  Data loss should not be an 
issue if your array can rebuild fast enough.  RAID 6 can usually 
withstand the loss of two drives.


I like RAID 10, but I'm considered peculiar.  RAID 10 can often 
withstand the loss of two drives (but not always) and performs a bit 
better, with much more graceful degradation of performance as the volume 
fills up.  It performs reasonably well 2/3 full.


If data loss is crucial, RAIDed arrays can always lose one drive and 
recover, but for very important data, mirrors (RAID 1) are better.  Put 
four drives in a RAID 1, you can suffer a loss of three drives.


MAA



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Re: Resources for learning Linux

[Miles Fidelman]

James Stuckey wrote:

Hello,

I've been using linux (debian) for about a year now, and although I'm 
no longer scared of the command line I would like to do a little 
reading/studying of linux to get a better understanding of some of the 
more advanced topics, or to see if I have learned a lot of the things 
that might be taught in a university-linux/UNIX course. I'm sure that 
there is a lot of stuff that I've missed by just going at it with 
trial and error. Perhaps there are some online courses posted to 
youtube, or a few books that someone might like to recommend? I would 
be interested to know what types of things one must learn to get 
"linux-certification" (I presume there is such a thing).
Not Debian-specific, but I learned a lot by building "linux from 
scratch" - http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ - it takes you step-by-step 
in building a Linux system from source code.  You learn a LOT in the 
process.  The basic version takes you through a fairly minimal system.  
There's also a "Beyond Linux from Scratch" linked to from the site, that 
takes you further.


Miles Fidelman

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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Saturday 24 April 2010 12:53:25 B. Alexander wrote:
> I have a question on filesystems. Back in the day, I started using reiser3.
> It was faster than ext3, and it could be extended without umounting the
> filesystem (which has since been fixed in ext3), plus, unlike any
>  filesystem I have encountered, it could be reduced in size.

I'm also a current reiser3 user.  I find the ability to shrink the filesystem 
to be something I am not willing to do without.

I have not read the rest of the thread, but my off-the-cuff recommendation 
would be to start migration to btrfs.  Now that the on-disk format has 
stabilized, I am going to start testing it for filesystems other than 
/usr/local, /var, and /home.  Assuming I can keep those running well for 6-12 
months, I will migrate /usr/local, /var, and then /home, in that order, with a 
1-3 month gap in between migrations.

It's an aggressive migration plan, but reiser3 is just barely maintained in 
the kernel, and btrfs is the only filesystem I have heard of that even 
advertises all the features I need.

I've already encountered an issue related to btrfs in my very isolated 
deployments.  The initramfs created by update-initramfs does not appear to 
mount it properly.  Instead I am given an '(initramfs)' prompt and I have to 
mount the filesystem manually (a simple two-argument mount command suffices) 
and continue the boot process.  This is fine for my laptop, but servers (and 
even my desktop) need to be able to boot unattended; I am still investigating 
the issue, which may just be due to my configuration.
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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 26 April 2010 13:22:19 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Saturday 24 April 2010 12:53:25 B. Alexander wrote:
> > I have a question on filesystems.
> 
> [M]y off-the-cuff recommendation
> would be to start migration to btrfs.

Btrfs may not be right for you.  The on-disk format has stabilized, but it is 
still very much in development.

If it isn't, I recommend moving to ext3 (NOT ext4) as a temporary measure.  
Once btrfs matures to your comfort level, you can use btrfs_convert to change 
from ext3 to btrfs in place.  The conversion process even creates a snapshot 
which can use used to roll back to the original ext3 filesystem.
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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[rudu]

Le 26/04/2010 19:43, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit :


rudu wrote:

Hi,
Running squeeze on AMD64 arch, my system recently stopped to let me
get my consoles after I hit the ctrl+alt+Fn keys (n = 1 to 6).



When did it stop?


I can't be sure but that may coincide with that kernel*-trunk thing, 
when I had to go back to the nv driver as I couldn't get the proprietary 
Nvidia driver to compile with my new kernel.

FWIW, a few more details :
$ uname -a
Linux birdynam 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 18:07:42 UTC 2010 x86_64 
GNU/Linux

$ lspci | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 
GT] (rev a1)







Instead, my monitor first blackens then presents me the exact replica
of my graphic session's screen except that it reacts to nothing,
there is no mouse cursor anyway, until I hit ctrl+alt+F7 to get my
fully functional graphic session back again.
I tried to replace gdm by kdm, to test from within KDE4 or gnome, and
got the exact same behavior.
I don't know where to look now, nor which words would make a valuable
google search ...








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Re: VM software for personal use?

[thib]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only 
network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru 
samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the 
others do it that easy?


Yes [1].  VBox even has kernel additions which implement shared directories 
over a specialized interface with a virtual filesystem (vboxfs) [2].



Hugo


QEMU and Xen might not be as straightforward for a desktop end-user, but 
their users certainly won't find it difficult.


-thib

[1] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
[2] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders


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Re: Resources for learning Linux

[Oliver Verlinden]

Perhaps
there are some online courses posted to youtube, or a few books that someone
might like to recommend? I would be interested to know what types of things
one must learn to get "linux-certification" (I presume there is such a
thing).


I have learned much about the Linux kernel be reading this book:
"Understanding the Linux Kernel" by Daniel P. Bovet and Marco Cesati
It's very big, but there is everything in it what you would like to  
know about Linux.


Greetings,
Oliver Verlinden





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Re: Questions about RAID 6

[Mike Bird]

On Mon April 26 2010 10:51:38 Mark Allums wrote:
> RAID 6 (and 5) perform well when less than approximately 1/3 full.
> After that, even reads suffer.

Mark,

I've been using various kinds of RAID for many many years and
was not aware of that.  Do you have a link to an explanation?

Thanks,

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Re: belocs-locales-bin broken

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 25 April 2010 07:45:28 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> I put through a pile of updates on many Lenny systems this morning and
> they all errored with:
> 
>   az_AZ.UTF-8... up-to-date
>   be_BY.UTF-8... up-to-date
>   be_by.ut...@latin... up-to-date
>   ber_DZ.UTF-8... cannot open locale definition file `ber_DZ': No such
> file or directory

This locale may not be supported by belocs-locales-bin; check 
/usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED.

> dpkg: error processing belocs-locales-bin (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  belocs-locales-bin
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> Is something broken in the belocs-locales-bin package? Thanks - John

I think it is not needed anymore.  ISTR upstream for it being quite dead 
because the main reason it was created is now a feature of the normal locales 
package.  I migrated away from it when I moved from Etch to Lenny.
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Re: Ctrl+alt+Fn not showing consoles

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

rudu wrote:

Le 26/04/2010 19:43, Hugo Vanwoerkom a écrit :


rudu wrote:

Hi,
Running squeeze on AMD64 arch, my system recently stopped to let me
get my consoles after I hit the ctrl+alt+Fn keys (n = 1 to 6).



When did it stop?


I can't be sure but that may coincide with that kernel*-trunk thing, 
when I had to go back to the nv driver as I couldn't get the proprietary 
Nvidia driver to compile with my new kernel.

FWIW, a few more details :
$ uname -a
Linux birdynam 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 18:07:42 UTC 2010 x86_64 
GNU/Linux

$ lspci | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 
GT] (rev a1)




So are you still running nv? and what was the driver that wouldn't compile?
I run x86-195.36.15 on the latest Sid kernel and it compiles just fine, 
but I don't (yet) have a AMD64 system.
With nv I run into a lot of trouble on my system, the reason I use the 
proprietary driver. Works good.


Hugo


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Re: Resources for learning Linux

[thib]

Can't miss the Debian Reference by Osamu Aoki (青木 修):

  http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference

It covers a lot of topics and provides up-to-date pointers to other resources.

-thib


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Re: Cyrus 2.2 imapd in AMD64

[Carlos Bergero]

El 22/04/10 20:50, Carlos Bergero escribió:
Hi there list, got some trouble running a cyrus server, actually I 
have an old setup running in Etch i386 without any trouble, virtual 
mail server and all pgsql setup for backend and postfix for MTA, all 
sweat. I installed a new server, better hardware, using AMD64 dist, as 
Etch is going to be out of security, I copy everithing but the cyrus 
is not properly working. I cant conect to the imap port or use imtest, 
to check users, when i start server first cyr_expire and then 
tls_prune consume lots of time doing not shure what, and i get the 
following syslog and kern.log error:


Apr 22 18:48:08 darwin kernel: [6121490.275489] ctl_cyrusdb[18309] 
general protection ip:7fecdaef0f30 sp:7fffc46d9380 error:0 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7fecdae4e000+ea000]
Apr 22 19:12:49 darwin kernel: [6122984.242061] ctl_cyrusdb[18505]: 
segfault at 7f584401cefc ip 7f0a429acf30 sp 7fffb28b3cf0 error 4 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7f0a4290a000+ea000]
Apr 22 19:13:48 darwin kernel: [6123046.804454] ctl_cyrusdb[18594]: 
segfault at 7f7805960efc ip 7f2a042f0f30 sp 7fff32ae8440 error 4 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7f2a0424e000+ea000]
Apr 22 19:28:52 darwin kernel: [6124020.255192] ctl_cyrusdb[18881]: 
segfault at 7f8302309efc ip 7f3500c99f30 sp 7fff8d1ed6e0 error 4 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7f3500bf7000+ea000]
Apr 22 19:57:43 darwin kernel: [6125775.477974] ctl_cyrusdb[19100] 
general protection ip:7fdb78441f30 sp:75879430 error:0 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7fdb7839f000+ea000]
Apr 22 20:17:05 darwin kernel: [6127022.816744] ctl_cyrusdb[19571] 
general protection ip:7fe3cd7aaf30 sp:7fff03057fe0 error:0 in 
libdb-4.2.so[7fe3cd708000+ea000]


which is wierd!

After a while or if I kill this process cyrmaster starts but the re is 
no way to conect to the imap server. Configuration files are the same 
in both servers, etch and lenny its just not working in lenny though 
packages looks to be the same.

This is the cyrus.conf file:



Any clues about what could be wrong?

Cheers,
 Carlos


Apparently for what i read in list and in web pages/lists/readme it 
might be a compatibility problem in Berkeley DB use by Cyrus. For the 
record I inherit this system in a Unstable Testing server, in 
production, and had to do an emergency migration to Etch Old Stable, 
about a year ago(stable by then). Now I'm moving it to a newer server in 
Lenny Stable and find my self unable to start the cyrus process 
properly, apparently the server runs a series of checks in this DB, 
tls_sessions.db an deliver.db, at start time and in different crons, 
which get stall while running. So far I haven't been able to fix the 
problem but at least it seams the issue came that way, which is 
something. The mentioned DB has the following file format:

./tls_sessions.db: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 8, native byte-order)
./deliver.db: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 8, native byte-order)
and there a a couple of cyrus DB files which readme upgrade ask to 
migrate with a cyrus tool which is not working atm,
./mailboxes.db: Cyrus skiplist DB  (which it has a different name simply 
mailboxes, without the .db extension)
./annotations.db: Cyrus skiplist DB  (which is not mentioned in the 
tutorial)
So far im focused in trying to get this DB to the proper format version 
9 in the standard Lenny install, and see what happens, without much success.

If I manage to work it out ill post the process int list.
If anyone has a better clue ill appreciate it :)

Sincerely,
   Carlos



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Re: Filesystem recommendations

[thib]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

[snip] I recommend moving to ext3 (NOT ext4) [snip]


Here we go again?  :-)

-thib


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Re: Lite SMTP server/daemon

[Celejar]

[Please reply to the list, and not to me, as per the CoC.]
[Please don't top post.]

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:48:06 +0200
exp...@hope.cz wrote:

>  Celejar,
> Thank you for your reply.
> Not full MTA
> Best regards,
> lad.

Hm, I had thought that at least some of the small, relaying MTAs
accepted connections on port 25.  On closer perusal, it looks like they
don't.

One option would be to build your own version of one of the big ones,
with all unnecessary functionality excluded.  I don't know what the
resulting binary size would be.

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