Re: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Adrian Levi]

On 14 February 2010 14:27, Timothy Legg  wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Chris Jones  wrote:
>>>...and might be able to
>>> comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?
>>>
>>> CJ


> Please don't use the readily available R-134a bottles.  I am not yet
> convinced of the environmental safety of this coolant.
>
> Timothy Legg

I can vouch for this, R134A is not an ozone depeting refrigeratnt but
it is still a greenhouse gas and at approximatley 1300 times worse,
weight for weight with CO2.

Adrian

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Re: Installation problem on HP DL360 G6 server

[Emmanuel Chantry]

Le 14/02/2010 07:26, Alex Samad a écrit :

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:42:42PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
   

Emmanuel Chantry put forth on 2/13/2010 6:39 AM:

 

I've already tried this one. That works on virtual machine in amd64 but
not on the HP Server. It's the first thing I've done ;)
   

smart arrays don't turn up as /dev/sda from memory /dev/cciss/c0d0 -
controller zero and disk zero

as for the other problem, lvm writes information onto the hard drives,
which is why you are seeing the error message, I believe there is a way
to tell the partition manager to clear all partitions on the disk to be
installed onto.

I would also stick to lvm on smartarrays, much easier to managing moving
lv's etc


   

Have you tried contacting HP support?  IIRC, they support Debian.

 
I'm not surprised that is a difference beetween VMs and real hardware. 
HP servers runs with CCISS driver not with standard sda I know that.
I've tried to join HP support. First time, they said they don't support 
Debian lol. I have to send us their website URL to prove them they're 
supporting Debian...

I'm waiting for an answer from the support if they know that problem.

It seems that in amd64 and HP servers, install steps are not in the same 
order. In fact The cciss is loaded just before partman starts 
(installing scsci-modules and scsi-extra-modules) not at kernel boot.


In preseed file, the line:  d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean 
true tells that old LVM configuration have to be erased without 
prompting. But it doesn't work on my HP server.


Emmanuel


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Re: not working my DVDROM

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:03:41 -0430, Germana Oliveira wrote:

> i just realize that my DVDROM does not work..

(...) 

> /dev/scd0   /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
> /dev/hdb/media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0

That seems to be two DVD/CD drives. Which one does not work?

> the DVDROM seems to be: /dev/hdb
> 
> and no matter what DVD or CD i put in, it can read it.

Insert a disk in the faulty unit and type "dsmeg" to see what's going on. 

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Re: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Russell L. Harris]

* Chris Jones  [100214 02:35]:
> Has anyone with real world experience in the area of computer cleaning
> tried such solutions as the MetroVac duster line and might be able to
> comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?

The telephone company uses dry nitrogen to purge telephone cables
(sealed conduits which contain hundreds of twisted pairs).

The short answer: There is no practical way for a small user to
produce compressed air which is free from oil vapour and moisture; the
proper solution is dry nitrogen.

More detail: In petrochemical plants, from time to time there is an
air line fire in which combustion takes place within the line; the
steel pipe of the line (which may run hundreds of feet) grows red-hot
and sags in the pipe rack as the combustion progresses from one end of
the line to the other.  This can happen when the oil vapour is not
removed after the air exits the compressor, and when a large
compressor is in continuous service.  The oil comes from the
compressor lubrication system.  The amount of oil coming out of a
small home compressor generally is too small to be hazardous.  The oil
problem does not exist with small diaphragm-type compressors.

Water is another matter.  Almost every mechanic has experienced a slug
of water which makes its way down the line and out a nozzle or into a
pneumatic wrench.  This is because condensate traps are not perfect,
and they don't always get emptied routinely.  Water is bad enough, but
hardly anything makes a worse mess than a spray of oily water.  

I doubt that it is possible to get a computer board or power supply
cleaned properly up after being sprayed with oily water; the only hope
would be immersion in a capacitor-safe, plastic-safe solvent such as
freon, and even that would ruin the fan bearings.

How-to: Any welding supply house can sell you a tank (2000 psi) and
regulator with gages for dry nitrogen, just like the telephone company
uses.  And they can fix you up with a hose and nozzle with a
pushbutton valve.  When you finally empty the tank, you haul it back
to be refilled.

Just make sure that the tank which you purchase is one which is
intended to be privately-owned and make sure that you hang onto the
receipt.  Many tanks have a welding supply company name forged or
deeply stamped into the neck of the tank.  So, for example, if you
have a tank stamped "FOO Welding Supply" and you take it to BAR
Welding Supply to be refilled, BAR may refuse to fill the tank; this
is because theft of tanks is a major problem; that's why the expensive
markings are manufactured into tanks.  So ask about third-party
refilling before you purchase a tank.

Rental of a tank is too expensive for the individual user; this is because
a daily "demurrage" charge accrues after the first 30 days.  


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Configurint order of fallback fonts

[Dotan Cohen]

How does one configure the order of fallback fonts? For instance, I
have fonts A and B which both contain Greek glyphs. When writing in
Open Office in font C which does not have the glyphs, the OS shows the
glyphs from font A. I would prefer it to show the glyphs from font B
without my explicitly having to tell it to use font B in each place
that Greek is shown.

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Re: OT: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 14/02/10 10:53, Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Chris Jones  [100214 02:35]:

Has anyone with real world experience in the area of computer cleaning
tried such solutions as the MetroVac duster line and might be able to
comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?


The telephone company uses dry nitrogen to purge telephone cables
(sealed conduits which contain hundreds of twisted pairs).



In all the years (now in excess of 40!) I have worked with computers, 
and electronic equipment in general, I have never felt the need to blow 
away anything.


An annual gentle suck around the fans, and any area which has 
accumulated dust, using a domestic vacuum cleaner with a plastic nozzle 
has always been adequate, as well as cheap and safe.


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Re: Debian installation on laptop with damaged screen

[Stephen Powell]

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:54:42 -0500 (EST), Odd wrote:
> The installation isn't the problem anymore, I did that earlier today.
> Now I need to convince X to show up on the external display. I'm
> going to take a look at it from the shell, as that is the only thing I
> can get to show up on the external display so far.

If you will provide the following information, I may be able to help:

1. The contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2. The make and model of your laptop
3. The make and model of your external monitor
4. The type of monitor (CRT, LCD, etc.)
5. What release of Debian you are running (Lenny, Squeeze, etc.)
6. The contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, if any

I can't guarantee anything, but without that information, I really can't
help you much.


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RE: OT: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Mike Viau]

> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:48:06 +
> From: t...@vanderhoff.org
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: OT: Air compressors vs. canned air
> 
> On 14/02/10 10:53, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > * Chris Jones  [100214 02:35]:
> >> Has anyone with real world experience in the area of computer cleaning
> >> tried such solutions as the MetroVac duster line and might be able to
> >> comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?
> >
> > The telephone company uses dry nitrogen to purge telephone cables
> > (sealed conduits which contain hundreds of twisted pairs).
> >
> 
> In all the years (now in excess of 40!) I have worked with computers, 
> and electronic equipment in general, I have never felt the need to blow 
> away anything.
> 
> An annual gentle suck around the fans, and any area which has 
> accumulated dust, using a domestic vacuum cleaner with a plastic nozzle 
> has always been adequate, as well as cheap and safe.


This
is true assuming one's case was designed and built for proper air flow. A
computer case with many fans sucking air in, with pushing air out will 
accumulate
dust on the computer components quicker. Believe it or not dust will also tend
to collect quicker on the components when the is reverse pressure like a
vacuum, such as when many fans push air out of the case rapidly.

Additionally, the use of a household vacuum (with plastic nozzle) has been 
useful and safe for my computers too.

-M

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Re: Configurint order of fallback fonts

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:25 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> How does one configure the order of fallback fonts? For instance, I have
> fonts A and B which both contain Greek glyphs. When writing in Open
> Office in font C which does not have the glyphs, the OS shows the glyphs
> from font A. I would prefer it to show the glyphs from font B without my
> explicitly having to tell it to use font B in each place that Greek is
> shown.

You're lucky. It seems a well documented feature :-)

How does Font Fallback work 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Font-FAQ#How_does_Font_Fallback_work

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Re: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2010 14 Feb 01:49 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

> Apartment?  Compressors are too loud, and you probably have no place to store 
> a
> compressor.  In that case, buy a ~$20 air bubble from Walmart or Orschelens or
> similar, a hose, a trigger nozzle, etc and fill it up at the gas station's 
> free
> air pump.  Probably would be a good idea to get a tank gauge too so you don't
> overfill it and kill yourself in the ensuing explosion. ;)  I'm just kidding.
> It wouldn't kill you.  It would just crack a weld and scare the crap outta ya,
> maybe make your ears ring for a few hours.  Of course it would be ruined at 
> that
> point and you'd have to buy another one.  I've used em before and they work
> great.  Very portable.

And also quite handy when you discover you have a slow leak and need to
limp to a tire repair place or discover the spare is flat.  Don't ask
how I know...

I've cleaned PCs and other stuff for years with an air compressor and
have yet to have a problem.  Most compressors come with a regulator
that allows control of the pressure going to the hose.  40 PSI or so is
adequate for an air nozzle, in fact a higher pressure is not
recommended by most air nozzle manufacturers.  I just see to it that I
keep the nozzle several inches from the board and components.

If you don't want to spend the money on an air compressor, a small
vacuum cleaner that you can connect the hose to the output makes a nice
unit for cleaning PCs and such.  Put the crevice attachment on the end
of the hose and you get a very nice directed stream of air that is as
effective as a compressor and air nozzle.  Small Shop-Vacs can be found
for the cost of a few cans of air.

- Nate >>

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Re: Configurint order of fallback fonts

[Dotan Cohen]

On 14 February 2010 15:12, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:21:25 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> How does one configure the order of fallback fonts? For instance, I have
>> fonts A and B which both contain Greek glyphs. When writing in Open
>> Office in font C which does not have the glyphs, the OS shows the glyphs
>> from font A. I would prefer it to show the glyphs from font B without my
>> explicitly having to tell it to use font B in each place that Greek is
>> shown.
>
> You're lucky. It seems a well documented feature :-)
>
> How does Font Fallback work
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Font-FAQ#How_does_Font_Fallback_work
>

Thanks, Camaleón. I really thought that the font fallback was handled
by the OS, not by OOo itself. Therefore, while this solves my current
issue, it still leaves the general case unsolved. Is this always
handled at the application level, or is there OS font substitution as
well?

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Re: openvz

[Andrew Malcolmson]

While it's good to hear that OpenVZ will probably be in Squeeze after
all, you could also check out a similar project Linux Containers (lxc)
with support in kernels > 2.6.29.

http://delicious.com/andmalc/lxc


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Re: Trouble upgrading in a chroot -- no /dev

[Andrew Malcolmson]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Hendrik Boom  wrote:
[snip]
> Now I presume this is because /dev is absent from the chroot and it's
> trying to use /dev/fd/0 -- the device that acts like stdin.  What do I do
> to set things up so that I have a valid /dev?  The /dev outside the
> chroot is set up by udev.  Is there some way of mounting it from inside
> the chroot?

I've read somewhere that udev is able to work from within a chroot,
which is why you need to bind or rbind mount it as suggested above.

>Is there some way of duplicate-mounting it from outside so
> it's visible inside?  And there are probably similar problems with /proc,
> though I haven't hit them yet.

Since you're doing this regularly, take a look at schroot which helps
manage chroots including mounting and unmounting /dev, /home/ etc.

http://delicious.com/tag/schroot


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Re: Configurint order of fallback fonts

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:08:14 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> Thanks, Camaleón. I really thought that the font fallback was handled by
> the OS, not by OOo itself. 

I'd say "fifty-fifty" :-)

> Therefore, while this solves my current
> issue, it still leaves the general case unsolved. Is this always handled
> at the application level, or is there OS font substitution as well?

It is explained a bit in the above link (copy/paste):

***
OOo uses several ways to find a suitable replacement:

* font alias information provided by the system (e.g. from a fonts.dir 
file)
* hard-coded list of fallback-fonts, from VCL.xcu (tried first)
* alternative font name spellings
* font-attributes (e.g. does it have CJK-characters, is it a Symbol-font) 
or style (serif/non-serif, proportional/non-proportional) 

if all that fails as well:

* use a default font 
***

The first point ("font alias provided by the system") is what I am 
currently using for Iceweasel: I do not have installed Helvetica font 
face in my system so the default fontconfig setup "auto-replaces" 
Helvetica with Nimbus Sans, with looks horrible in my system (I don't 
have anti-aliasing enabled).

In order to get another font rendered, I had to create a "~/.fonts.conf" 
file to give the highest preference to Arial instead Nimbus Sans. This 
way, whenever Helvetica is found, it just renders Arial, because of the 
aforementioned setting.

This works very well with Iceweasel but I guess it will depend on each 
application. As long as apps honor this setting (it seems OOo and 
Iceweasel do), it should be possible to perform a more /fine-grained/ 
font susbtitution.

I found this Debian FAQ very useful when i was looking for information 
about fonts:

http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Defoma

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Re: Configurint order of fallback fonts

[Dotan Cohen]

Thanks, I _think_ that answers the rest of my questions.

It actually seems that my favourite Hebrew font actually does contain
English glyphs but they are terrible. Unfortunately, my favourite
English font also has Hebrew glyphs, so putting one before the other
simply won't give me the best of both world. It looks like I either
need to remove the English glyphs from my favourite Hebrew font, or
somehow replace them. I thought that fontforge would do this, but I
cannot figure it out. Alright, I'm rambling...

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Re: not working my DVDROM

[Germana Oliveira]

 
> This is probably as silly question but I've got to ask, are you using 
> mount to mount the disk after it's inserted?
> 
> mtp5150

do you mean:  mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom1 ?

it says: mount: No se ha encontrado el medio ( Media not found )




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Re: openvz

[Florian Ernst]

Hello all,


See  as
well as the thread preceeding it.


On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:08:16AM -0500, Andrew Malcolmson wrote:
> While it's good to hear that OpenVZ will probably be in Squeeze after
> all, you could also check out a similar project Linux Containers (lxc)
> with support in kernels > 2.6.29.
> 
> http://delicious.com/andmalc/lxc

Well, actually that's what the thread pointed to above was originally
about, and a conclusion was that while it's really fancy to have lxc
in kernel proper, it is no viable alternative for many business use
cases as of now. Hopefully that will change soon. :-)

Anyway, that being said, of the resources you have bookmarked I can
heartily recommend Nigel McNie's notes as well as his lxc-debian script
git repository; just in case anyone wants to experiment a bit ...

Cheers,
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Read command field seperators in Bash

[John Salmon]

Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
(Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.

John Salmon
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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-14 17:04 +0100, John Salmon wrote:

> Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
> (Debian Lenny)?

Yes, see the IFS variable (look it up in the bash manpage).

> I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
> installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.

Huh?  The FS variable works in any AWK implementation, not just gawk.

Sven


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Wayne]

John Salmon wrote:

Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
(Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.

John Salmon
salmo...@comcast.net



Sure is.  It's in the bash man page.  Look for IFS.

When in doubt, always try the man page.


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looking for "old" squeeze packages

[Willi Tonsern]

since last squeeze (AMD64) upgrade ( xserver 1:7.4+4 to xserver 1:7.5+3) my 
nvidia driver doesn't work (see Bug#569138); all efforts (other kernel 
versions other nvidia versions...) to get rid of this problem ended up in 
other problems.
the last combination working well before the fatal upgrade was:
linux 2.6.31.5 
nvidia 185.18.36-2 
xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4
unfortunately before the upgrade I clered my local package cache; so its 
impossible for me to downgrade from xserver 1:7.5+3 to 1:7.4+4;

now I'm looking for a public debian mirror where I could get "older" / former 
squeeze package versions from (packages needed shown in list below)

thank you for any advice

xscreensaver-data   5.10-6
xscreensaver-data-extra 5.10-6
xscreensaver-gl 5.10-6
xscreensaver-gl-extra   5.10-6
xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod   5.10-6
xserver-common  2:1.6.5-1
xserver-xorg1:7.4+4
xserver-xorg-core   2:1.6.5-1
xserver-xorg-input-all  1:7.4+4
xserver-xorg-input-evdev1:2.2.5-1
xserver-xorg-input-kbd  1:1.3.2-4
xserver-xorg-input-mouse1:1.4.0-4
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics1.2.0-2
xserver-xorg-input-wacom0.8.3.2-1
xserver-xorg-video-all  1:7.4+4
xserver-xorg-video-apm  1:1.2.1-2
xserver-xorg-video-ark  1:0.7.1-2
xserver-xorg-video-ati  1:6.12.3-1
xserver-xorg-video-chips1:1.2.1-3
xserver-xorg-video-cirrus   1:1.3.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-dummy1:0.3.1-2
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev1:0.4.0-4
xserver-xorg-video-glint1:1.2.3-1
xserver-xorg-video-i128 1:1.3.2-1
xserver-xorg-video-intel2:2.9.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-mach64   6.8.2-1
xserver-xorg-video-mga  1:1.4.11.dfsg-1
xserver-xorg-video-neomagic 1:1.2.3-1
xserver-xorg-video-nv   1:2.1.14-2
xserver-xorg-video-openchrome   1:0.2.904+svn812-1
xserver-xorg-video-r128 6.8.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-radeon   1:6.12.3-1
xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd 1.2.5-1
xserver-xorg-video-rendition1:4.2.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-s3   1:0.6.2-1
xserver-xorg-video-s3virge  1:1.10.2-2
xserver-xorg-video-savage   1:2.3.0-1
xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion1:1.7.2-1
xserver-xorg-video-sis  1:0.10.1-2
xserver-xorg-video-sisusb   1:0.9.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-tdfx 1:1.4.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-tga  1:1.2.0-1
xserver-xorg-video-trident  1:1.3.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-tseng1:1.2.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-v4l  0.2.0-3
xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:2.2.1-1
xserver-xorg-video-vmware   1:10.16.7-1
xserver-xorg-video-voodoo   1:1.2.2-1
xsltproc1.1.26-1

Re: looking for "old" squeeze packages

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Willi Tonsern  :
> the last combination working well before the fatal upgrade was:
> linux 2.6.31.5 
> nvidia 185.18.36-2 
> xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4
> unfortunately before the upgrade I clered my local package cache; so
> its impossible for me to downgrade from xserver 1:7.5+3 to 1:7.4+4;
> 
> now I'm looking for a public debian mirror where I could get
> "older" / former squeeze package versions from (packages needed shown
> in list below)

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.5+3/changelog
On the right side, you get what you need. I think.


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Newer kernel then 2.6.26-2 fails to restart Intel i7 860 with P55 chipset.

[Mike Viau]

Hi there,



I have been trying to figure out why my Debian Lenny system is unable to reboot
after updating my Linux kernel.



This question was asked on my behalf on the Linux Kernel Mailing List @ 



http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/11/276



I was wondering if anyone here was running a similar hardware setup? And what
experiences you have with compiling more recent kernels then Debian's 2.6.26-2.



I am using the amd64 variant.



Thank you!

-M


  
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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100214_100441, John Salmon wrote:
> Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
> (Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
> installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.
> 
> John Salmon
> salmo...@comcast.net

gawk may not be the default awk workalike in lenny, but it is
certainly available in lenny, at least it was a couple of months ago,
just before I switched to squeeze.

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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Lisi]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 17:38:48 Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20100214_100441, John Salmon wrote:
> > Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
> > (Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
> > installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.
> >
> > John Salmon
> > salmo...@comcast.net
>
> gawk may not be the default awk workalike in lenny, but it is
> certainly available in lenny, at least it was a couple of months ago,
> just before I switched to squeeze.

It is the Lenny default on my system.  I.e. it is installed, but I hadn't 
asked for it.

l...@tux:~$ aptitude search awk
v   awk -
p   cl-awk  - Common Lisp package with the 
features of AWK and
p   dpkg-awk- Gawk script to 
parse /var/lib/dpkg/{status,availa
i A gawk- GNU awk, a pattern scanning and 
processing langua
p   gawk-doc- Documentation for GNU awk
i   mawk- a pattern scanning and text 
processing language
p   nighthawk   - An improved version of 
Paradroid - a strategic sh
p   original-awk- The original awk described 
in "The AWK Programmin
l...@tux:~$

Lisi


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Re: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Rob Owens]

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:30:50PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote:
> Just paid c. $10.00 for a DYNEX Compressed Gas Duster, IOW a 10 oz. can
> of compressed air from my local Best Buy. 
> 
> Not so much the money per se, but each time I buy one of those, I get
> this nagging feeling that I've had been had.
> 
> Has anyone with real world experience in the area of computer cleaning
> tried such solutions as the MetroVac duster line and might be able to
> comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?
> 

I've used a shop air compressor several times.  I keep the nozzle about
12 inches away from the computer boards in order to reduce the force
exerted on them.

Here are some links

Small compressor:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00915215000P?vName=Tools&cName=Air+Compressors+%26+Air+Tools&sName=Air+Compressors

Slightly larger compressor:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00916642000P?vName=Tools&cName=Air+Compressors+%26+Air+Tools&sName=Air+Compressors

Filter / water separator:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00916009000P?keyword=compressor+filter

-Rob


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:51:16 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 14 February 2010 17:38:48 Paul E Condon wrote:
>> On 20100214_100441, John Salmon wrote:
>>> Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
>>> (Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
>>> installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.
>>>
>>> John Salmon
>>> salmo...@comcast.net
>>
>> gawk may not be the default awk workalike in lenny, but it is
>> certainly available in lenny, at least it was a couple of months ago,
>> just before I switched to squeeze.
> 
> It is the Lenny default on my system.  I.e. it is installed, but I hadn't 
> asked for it.

awk is a virtual package provided by both the real package mawk and the
real package gawk.  On my Lenny system, mawk is installed, but gawk is not.
Most awk scripts will work fine with mawk.  But occasionally an awk script will
use features that don't work with the mawk implementation of awk but will work
with the gawk implementation of awk.

   aptitude install mawk_ gawk

will replace mawk with gawk.  It is possible to have both installed,
in which case gawk seems to override mawk.

(My, what a tongue twister!)


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Lisi]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 18:11:25 Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:51:16 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:
> > On Sunday 14 February 2010 17:38:48 Paul E Condon wrote:
> >> On 20100214_100441, John Salmon wrote:
> >>> Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
> >>> (Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk
> >>> isn't installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something
> >>> that is.
> >>>
> >>> John Salmon
> >>> salmo...@comcast.net
> >>
> >> gawk may not be the default awk workalike in lenny, but it is
> >> certainly available in lenny, at least it was a couple of months ago,
> >> just before I switched to squeeze.
> >
> > It is the Lenny default on my system.  I.e. it is installed, but I hadn't
> > asked for it.
>
> awk is a virtual package provided by both the real package mawk and the
> real package gawk.  On my Lenny system, mawk is installed, but gawk is not.
> Most awk scripts will work fine with mawk.  But occasionally an awk script
> will use features that don't work with the mawk implementation of awk but
> will work with the gawk implementation of awk.
>
>aptitude install mawk_ gawk
>
> will replace mawk with gawk.  It is possible to have both installed,
> in which case gawk seems to override mawk.

Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.  It 
probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.

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Re: looking for "old" squeeze packages

[Willi Tonsern]

On Sunday 14 February 2010, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> > Willi Tonsern  :
> > the last combination working well before the fatal upgrade was:
> > linux 2.6.31.5
> > nvidia 185.18.36-2
> > xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4
> > unfortunately before the upgrade I clered my local package cache; so
> > its impossible for me to downgrade from xserver 1:7.5+3 to 1:7.4+4;
> >
> > now I'm looking for a public debian mirror where I could get
> > "older" / former squeeze package versions from (packages needed shown
> > in list below)
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.5+3/changelog
> On the right side, you get what you need. I think.
> 
thank you for answer - no, there I don't get was I'm looking for (at least I 
don't get it)
this seems to be a link to all Changelogs; but clicking e.g. on "xorg 1:7.4-2"  
- the version I would need - I end up at package search results for "xorg" 
(the versions I already have for squeeze)


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-14 19:23 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Sunday 14 February 2010 18:11:25 Stephen Powell wrote:
>>
>> awk is a virtual package provided by both the real package mawk and the
>> real package gawk.  On my Lenny system, mawk is installed, but gawk is not.
>> Most awk scripts will work fine with mawk.  But occasionally an awk script
>> will use features that don't work with the mawk implementation of awk but
>> will work with the gawk implementation of awk.
>>
>>aptitude install mawk_ gawk
>>
>> will replace mawk with gawk.  It is possible to have both installed,
>> in which case gawk seems to override mawk.

This is handled by the alternatives system, gawk has a higher priority
than mawk so if you don't take any measures it will provide /usr/bin/awk.
See update-alternatives(8).

> Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.  It 
> probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.

Well, mawk has been of priority 'required' for a very long time, so I
guess you removed it manually at some point.  Any method to install
Debian will install all required packages, AFAIK.

Sven


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2010-02-14 10:04 (-0600), John Salmon wrote:

> Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
> (Debian Lenny)?

The answer has been given but here's an example script which uses
"read":

#!/bin/bash
IFS=, read -a numbers < <(echo one,t w o,three)
printf '<%s>\n' "${numbe...@]}"

It will print:





In this case "read" is not necessary. This would do the same:

#!/bin/bash
IFS=, numbers=( $(echo one,t w o,three) )
printf '<%s>\n' "${numbe...@]}"


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:42:53 -0500 (EST), Sven Joachim wrote:
> This is handled by the alternatives system, gawk has a higher priority
> than mawk so if you don't take any measures it will provide /usr/bin/awk.
> See update-alternatives(8).

Thanks for the explanation.

Lisi wrote:
> Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.  It 
> probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.

If I understand the output of your "aptitude search awk" command correctly,
you have both installed.  mawk would have been installed as part of any
installation.  If you have gawk too, you must have installed a package
that has a dependency on gawk, directly or indirectly.

Sven wrote:
> 
> Well, mawk has been of priority 'required' for a very long time, so I
> guess you removed it manually at some point.  Any method to install
> Debian will install all required packages, AFAIK.

You're right, Sven, I forgot to check the priority.

   aptitude install mawk_ gawk

would probably not work without some kind of override switches.  It
wouldn't like the request to purge a required package.

The bottom line ...

Most awk scripts will run fine on a standard Debian system, since mawk
is a required package.  If you can get by with mawk you probably should,
since mawk is reported to be more efficient than gawk.  In a few cases,
an awk script may use features that are only supported in gawk, in which
case the package which contains it, if it is packaged properly, will
contain a dependency on gawk.  If you are writing your own awk script
and you don't want to install gawk, make sure you don't use any features
that only work with gawk.


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Wayne]

John Salmon wrote:

On Sun, 2010-02-14 at 11:23 -0500, Wayne wrote:

John Salmon wrote:

Is there a way to change the field seperators in Bash's read command
(Debian Lenny)? I could use gawk to do what I need but, since gawk isn't
installed in the Lenny distribution, I'de rather use something that is.

John Salmon
salmo...@comcast.net



Sure is.  It's in the bash man page.  Look for IFS.

When in doubt, always try the man page.


Wayne


Putting back on the list where it belongs.  Please "always" reply to the 
list so others can learn as well as yourself.





On my system, if I try 'man read' I get "No manual entry for read.' Am I
missing something?



Yes you are.  Most programs come with a Manual (man ) page.  so ,bash, 
being a program comes with a manual page.  To read the bash manual page 
you enter the following command.


man bash

that brings up the bash man page and you can search through it for 
whatever you need to.  As read is a bash command, it should be mentioned 
in the bash man page.


To learn how to use the man progran see the man manual(man) page.

Might be a good idea to install the debian-reference package to get even 
more information how to do things in Debian.


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-14 20:03 +0100, Stephen Powell wrote:

>aptitude install mawk_ gawk
>
> would probably not work without some kind of override switches.  It
> wouldn't like the request to purge a required package.

It would not complain, I have just tested it successfully in a chroot.
The safer way, however, would be

aptitude install gawk && aptitude purge mawk

This avoids a time window where awk is not available.  Note that you can
freely remove required packages that are not essential as long as the
dependencies are fulfilled.  Apt will never automatically remove a
required package, though.

> Most awk scripts will run fine on a standard Debian system, since mawk
> is a required package.  If you can get by with mawk you probably should,
> since mawk is reported to be more efficient than gawk.  In a few cases,
> an awk script may use features that are only supported in gawk, in which
> case the package which contains it, if it is packaged properly, will
> contain a dependency on gawk.  If you are writing your own awk script
> and you don't want to install gawk, make sure you don't use any features
> that only work with gawk.

This is very similar to the "dash vs bash as /bin/sh" topic.

Sven


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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Anthony Baldwin]

--- El dom 14-feb-10, Wayne   escribió:

> >>> 
> >> Sure is.  It's in the bash man page. 
> Look for IFS.
> >> 
> >> When in doubt, always try the man page.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Wayne
> 
> Putting back on the list where it belongs.  Please
> "always" reply to the list so others can learn as well as
> yourself.
> 
> >> 
> > On my system, if I try 'man read' I get "No manual
> entry for read.' Am I
> > missing something?

read man page:
http://tinyurl.com/y8nfmam

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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2010-02-14 14:08 (-0500), Wayne wrote:

> man bash
>
> that brings up the bash man page and you can search through it for
> whatever you need to. As read is a bash command, it should be
> mentioned in the bash man page.

Yes, "read" is a Bash built-in command:

$ type read
read is a shell builtin

As you said, help for such commans are in the Bash man page but there is
also "help" command for built-ins:

$ help read

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Acer Aspire AS5532 laptop?

[I Rattan]

Any one using it under Linux? I want to know if
the wifi card works before I buy it..

-ishwar


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Re: Eth0 disconnects from router?

[David Baron]

>>>Approximately every hour, I get log entries like:

>>>an 28 13:47:59 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device 
eth0
>>>Jan 28 13:48:29 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device 
eth0
>>>Jan 28 13:50:00 dovidhalevi pumpd[1819]: failed to renew lease for device 
eth0

> > As for your new problem, it looks like your DHCP server is set up to
> > hand out 1 hour leases.  If the DHCP server is built in to the router,
> > as is often the case, that comes down to reconfiguring your router.
> > You want a fairly long lease time.  You also want a fair amount of
> > time between when a lease is released (or when connectivity is lost)
> > and when that IP address is made available for reuse.
> 
> This one probably hits it. The question is how to reconfigure? I have found
>  no   configure http or anything else. This router is a WAN to ethernet and
>  two VOIP phone channels made by "Audiocodes." No information. The provider
>  is Linux- illiterate. (A separate box xlates ADSL to the WAN cable.)
> 

I was told by the supplier that the address involved is not to IP to the 
internet but the router IP. This is fixed. They advised me to simply make it a 
static IP and not exercise the DHCP.

I edited /etc/network/interfaces accordingly.

Seemed to work, but after the ADSL provider changed things around, the thing 
no longer honors this choice. DHCP is being called despite and the lease 
problem recurs. What, if at all, this should have to do with the new optical 
cables laid under the street, I cannot guess. Maybe there is another place I 
needed to edit?

Doing this using netcardconfig gives my hand edited entries as default choices 
but the data is then blanked out in the interfaces file and ifup/ifdown do not 
work correctly.


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Re: Acer Aspire AS5532 laptop?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 21:21:08 I Rattan wrote:
> Any one using it under Linux? I want to know if
> the wifi card works before I buy it..
> 
> -ishwar
> 
Since same laptop don't necessarily have the same chip set for wifi, it's 
difficult to answer, other than say now most of them works with linux.
Thierry 


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Debian way to compile your own version of a package

[Matteo Riva]

I would like to recompile Vim with a specific patch, and I'd like to
know what's the recommended way to do so in a Debian system. Should it
be kept separate - like in /usr/local - or should I create a .deb
package with a special version name and replace the official one?

Thanks.


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HW Raid

[Alex Samad]

Hi

I am looking at buying a hardware raid controller, I have been an
advocate of software raid for quite a while, but having run into some
problems running a 10 disk home server, I figure its time to bit the
bullet and buy a good/nice card.

What I am looking at is the ability to monitor the array from within
linux, sort of like mdadm does, so that if/when a drive goes faulty I
will be notified. I would also like to be able to use smartctl on the
individual drives so I can gather information from them whilst linux is
running.

I have been looking at the Highpoint Rocket Raid 3530, this seems to
fit the build for me, but thats from reading the doco.

I was wondering has any one on the list been using these cards ? what is
the management software like and the monitoring 


Thanks

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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Lisi]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 18:42:53 Sven Joachim wrote:
> > Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.
> >  It probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.
>
> Well, mawk has been of priority 'required' for a very long time, so I
> guess you removed it manually at some point.  Any method to install
> Debian will install all required packages, AFAIK.

No, I didn't.  I did a normal install, have so far removed nothing and have 
gawk. 

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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Lisi]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 19:03:00 Stephen Powell wrote:
> Lisi wrote:
> > Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.
> >  It probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.
>
> If I understand the output of your "aptitude search awk" command correctly,
> you have both installed.  mawk would have been installed as part of any
> installation.  If you have gawk too, you must have installed a package
> that has a dependency on gawk, directly or indirectly.

You are right, and I stand corrected.  For reasons that I cannot expleain, 
even to myself, I had read the i in front of mawk as a p.

Lisi


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Re: Debian way to compile your own version of a package

[Frank McCormick]

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Matteo Riva  wrote:

> I would like to recompile Vim with a specific patch, and I'd like to
> know what's the recommended way to do so in a Debian system. Should
> it be kept separate - like in /usr/local - or should I create a .deb
> package with a special version name and replace the official one?


  What I have done when I needed something that wasn't available is to
compile and do the install with checkinstall. It builds a deb, and installs it 
in
/usr/local/bin .  It's NOT a Debian-approved deb, but does fine for strictly
local installations and can be removed with dpkg if needed. Checkinstall is
available in the repository for your flavour of Debian.



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Re: Read command field seperators in Bash

[Lisi]

On Sunday 14 February 2010 18:42:53 Sven Joachim wrote:
> > Mmm.  But I have only gawk, and installed neither.  Nor any other awk.
> >  It probably depends which set-up one asks for during installation.
>
> Well, mawk has been of priority 'required' for a very long time, so I
> guess you removed it manually at some point.  Any method to install
> Debian will install all required packages, AFAIK.

I owe you an apology.  I had misread my own aptitude result.  As Stephen 
pointed out, since I have certainly not knowingly or deliberately installed 
gawk, it must have got brought in as a dependancy of another package that I 
_did_ install.

So - I apologise for the mail I have jus fired off to you. :-(

Lisi


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Re: Debian way to compile your own version of a package

[T o n g]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:35:06 -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:

>> I would like to recompile Vim with a specific patch, and I'd like to
>> know what's the recommended way to do so in a Debian system. Should it
>> be kept separate - like in /usr/local - or should I create a .deb
>> package with a special version name and replace the official one?
> 
> 
>   What I have done when I needed something that wasn't available is to
> compile and do the install with checkinstall. . . 

Check out 

The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ 
Chapter 7 - Basics of the Debian package management system
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html

especially, 

7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package?

The 

 dch -l local 'Blah blah blah'

will help you create a .deb package with a special version name and 
replace the official one.

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kernel update

[Jim Pazarena]

is there a CLI command (or commands) which can update
the kernel, similar to apt-get ?


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Re: Installation problem on HP DL360 G6 server

[Alex Samad]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:56:41AM +0100, Emmanuel Chantry wrote:
> Le 14/02/2010 07:26, Alex Samad a écrit :
> >On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:42:42PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >>Emmanuel Chantry put forth on 2/13/2010 6:39 AM:

[snip]

> >>
> I'm not surprised that is a difference beetween VMs and real
> hardware. HP servers runs with CCISS driver not with standard sda I
> know that.
> I've tried to join HP support. First time, they said they don't
> support Debian lol. I have to send us their website URL to prove
> them they're supporting Debian...
> I'm waiting for an answer from the support if they know that problem.
> 
> It seems that in amd64 and HP servers, install steps are not in the
> same order. In fact The cciss is loaded just before partman starts
> (installing scsci-modules and scsi-extra-modules) not at kernel
> boot.
> 
> In preseed file, the line:  d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm
> boolean true tells that old LVM configuration have to be erased
> without prompting. But it doesn't work on my HP server.

Hi

I have done quite a few installs on DL360, Dl785's, but all manual not
with pre seed. So I can tell you it works okay - the problem is with the
installer.


> 
> Emmanuel
> 
> 

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Re: kernel update

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:11 -0500 (EST), Jim Pazarena wrote:
> 
> is there a CLI command (or commands) which can update
> the kernel, similar to apt-get ?

I'm not sure what you're asking.  The kernel is just another package, as far
as the package management system is concerned.  It is updated the same way
all packages are:

   aptitude update
   aptitude full-ugrade

This of course assumes that you have internet and security sources defined
in /etc/apt/sources.list.  (And, for the stable release, the volatile
source as well.)


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Re: Newer kernel then 2.6.26-2 fails to restart Intel i7 860 with P55 chipset.

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Viau put forth on 2/14/2010 11:14 AM:

> I was wondering if anyone here was running a similar hardware setup? And what
> experiences you have with compiling more recent kernels then Debian's 
> 2.6.26-2.

I'm running a much different hardware setup, but just in case some of the info
might be useful...

I'm running vanilla kernel.org 2.6.31.1 arch 686/i386 small mem smp with no
problems.  I use LILO, no initrd, all my drivers built into the kernel,
netfilter, etc.  It's a server, old 1994'ish Trident PCI VGA card text console
only, 1999 era 2 socket Abit BP6 i440BX SMP mobo, Sil3512PCI sata card, Intel
PIIX IDE for CD-ROM, PCI Intel Pro 100.  Kernel installed the Debian way with 
dpkg.

Pretty plain setup, except for the mobo.  Although the 440BX is well known for
its universal compatibility and stability, the Abit BP6 is a Frankenstein board.
 It's the only board ever to run dual Celerons--a hack never supported by Intel.
 The kernel reads the mp table just fine and it works great.

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RE: Newer kernel then 2.6.26-2 fails to restart Intel i7 860 with P55 chipset.

[Mike Viau]

> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:27 -0600
> From: s...@hardwarefreak.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Newer kernel then 2.6.26-2 fails to restart Intel i7 860 with 
> P55 chipset.
> 
> Mike Viau put forth on 2/14/2010 11:14 AM:
> 
> > I was wondering if anyone here was running a similar hardware setup? And 
> > what
> > experiences you have with compiling more recent kernels then Debian's 
> > 2.6.26-2.
> 
> I'm running a much different hardware setup, but just in case some of the info
> might be useful...

Perhaps not useful, but very much appreciated, thanks.

> 
> I'm running vanilla kernel.org 2.6.31.1 arch 686/i386 small mem smp with no
> problems.  I use LILO, no initrd, all my drivers built into the kernel,
> netfilter, etc.  It's a server, old 1994'ish Trident PCI VGA card text console
> only, 1999 era 2 socket Abit BP6 i440BX SMP mobo, Sil3512PCI sata card, Intel
> PIIX IDE for CD-ROM, PCI Intel Pro 100.  Kernel installed the Debian way with 
> dpkg.

Do you have any tips for creating custom (lean and mean) kernel .configs ? 
(Just out of curiosity)

Also did you mean you used the make-kpkg command to build the kernel deb?

I am aware that in more recent vanilla kernels there is a deb-pkg option in the 
Makefile to make linux-image debs.


> 
> Pretty plain setup, except for the mobo.  Although the 440BX is well known for
> its universal compatibility and stability, the Abit BP6 is a Frankenstein 
> board.
>  It's the only board ever to run dual Celerons--a hack never supported by 
> Intel.
>  The kernel reads the mp table just fine and it works great.
> 
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Cannot compile testing vanilla kernel under Debian

[James Brown]

I tried several times to compile the testing vanilia Linux kernel 
2.6.33-rc8  under Debian, but every time I had an error (see attached file).
But it was possible for me to do that with the stable kernel 2.6.32.
What was the mistake I did?
$ make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/igor/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
test ! -e scripts/package/builddeb || mv -f scripts/package/builddeb 
scripts/package/builddeb.kpkg-dist
test ! -e scripts/package/Makefile || test -f 
scripts/package/Makefile.kpkg-dist || (mv -f scripts/package/Makefile 
scripts/package/Makefile.kpkg-dist && (echo "# Dummy file "; echo "help:") >  
scripts/package/Makefile)
COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l 'gcc*' perl dpkg 'libc6*' binutils make dpkg-dev |\
 awk '$1 ~ /[hi]i/ { printf("%s-%s\n", $2, $3) }'> debian/buildinfo
uname -a >> debian/buildinfo
echo using the compiler: >> debian/buildinfo
grep LINUX_COMPILER include/linux/compile.h | \
   sed -e 's/.*LINUX_COMPILER "//' -e 's/"$//' >> debian/buildinfo
grep: include/linux/compile.h: Нет такого файла или 
каталога
echo applied kernel patches: >> debian/buildinfo
echo done > debian/stamp/build/kernel
/usr/bin/make -f ./debian/rules 
debian/stamp/binary/pre-linux-image-2.6.33-rc8
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/igor/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
== making target debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8 [new prereqs: 
]==
This is kernel package version 11.015.
echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo "  \"\" 
"; echo "does not match current version:"; echo "  \"2.6.33-rc8\" "; 
echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
   "" 
does not match current version:
   "2.6.33-rc8" 
Please correct this.
make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8] Ошибка 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/igor/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
make: *** [kernel-image] Ошибка 2

-$ fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=og.100215.00 kernel_image

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
test ! -e scripts/package/builddeb || mv -f scripts/package/builddeb 
scripts/package/builddeb.kpkg-dist
test ! -e scripts/package/Makefile || test -f 
scripts/package/Makefile.kpkg-dist || (mv -f scripts/package/Makefile 
scripts/package/Makefile.kpkg-dist && (echo "# Dummy file "; echo "help:") >  
scripts/package/Makefile)
COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l 'gcc*' perl dpkg 'libc6*' binutils make dpkg-dev |\
 awk '$1 ~ /[hi]i/ { printf("%s-%s\n", $2, $3) }'> debian/buildinfo
uname -a >> debian/buildinfo
echo using the compiler: >> debian/buildinfo
grep LINUX_COMPILER include/linux/compile.h | \
   sed -e 's/.*LINUX_COMPILER "//' -e 's/"$//' >> debian/buildinfo
grep: include/linux/compile.h: Нет такого файла или 
каталога
echo applied kernel patches: >> debian/buildinfo
echo done > debian/stamp/build/kernel
/usr/bin/make -f ./debian/rules 
debian/stamp/binary/pre-linux-image-2.6.33-rc8
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/user/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
== making target debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8 [new prereqs: 
]==
This is kernel package version 11.015.
echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo "  \"\" 
"; echo "does not match current version:"; echo "  \"2.6.33-rc8\" "; 
echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
   "" 
does not match current version:
   "2.6.33-rc8" 
Please correct this.
make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8] Ошибка 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/user/local_src/linux-2.6.33-rc8'
make: *** [kernel_image] Ошибка 2

RE: Cannot compile testing vanilla kernel under Debian

[Mike Viau]

> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:23:23 +
> From: jbrownfi...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Cannot compile testing vanilla kernel under Debian
> 
> I tried several times to compile the testing vanilia Linux kernel 
> 2.6.33-rc8  under Debian, but every time I had an error (see attached file).



I've gotten this error to in my endeavours too. I would be
interested in knowing if there is a solution. I have previously noticed there
were hacks to work around the problem by modifying the .mk files. But for the
meantime try using make deb-pkg since you are compiling such a recent kernel,
the option should be there in the Makefile.



> But it was possible for me to do that with the stable kernel 2.6.32.
> What was the mistake I did?
  
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Re: kernel update

[Stan Hoeppner]

Stephen Powell put forth on 2/14/2010 8:50 PM:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:11 -0500 (EST), Jim Pazarena wrote:
>>
>> is there a CLI command (or commands) which can update
>> the kernel, similar to apt-get ?
> 
> I'm not sure what you're asking.  The kernel is just another package, as far
> as the package management system is concerned.  It is updated the same way
> all packages are:
> 
>aptitude update
>aptitude full-ugrade
> 
> This of course assumes that you have internet and security sources defined
> in /etc/apt/sources.list.  (And, for the stable release, the volatile
> source as well.)

It also assumes, I believe, that you're running a stock kernel.  If you're
running a custom kernel compiled from source, I don't believe aptitude upgrades
will replace your kernel.  They've never replaced my kernels anyway, including
distribution upgrades.

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Re: Newer kernel then 2.6.26-2 fails to restart Intel i7 860 with P55 chipset.

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Viau put forth on 2/14/2010 9:06 PM:

> Do you have any tips for creating custom (lean and mean) kernel .configs ? 
> (Just out of curiosity)

I just go through menuconfig and strip out all the junk I know I don't need.
I've not had to do that for a while as my .config seems to automatically when I
download, unzip, and build from a new source.  I.e. all the junk I'd already
stripped out stays stripped out.

> Also did you mean you used the make-kpkg command to build the kernel deb?

Yes, using these instructions:
http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html

> I am aware that in more recent vanilla kernels there is a deb-pkg option in 
> the Makefile to make linux-image debs.

I still do it the old way listed above.  Works great for me.

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Re: looking for "old" squeeze packages

[Klaus Wolf]

Hi,

turn your apt sources.list to stable. Then remove xserver-xorg and then
install xserver-xorg. Then sources.list back to squeeze and all should
be well.

Godd bye and a nice day

klaus

Am Sonntag, den 14.02.2010, 19:29 +0100 schrieb Willi Tonsern:
> On Sunday 14 February 2010, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> > > Willi Tonsern  :
> > > the last combination working well before the fatal upgrade was:
> > > linux 2.6.31.5
> > > nvidia 185.18.36-2
> > > xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4
> > > unfortunately before the upgrade I clered my local package cache; so
> > > its impossible for me to downgrade from xserver 1:7.5+3 to 1:7.4+4;
> > >
> > > now I'm looking for a public debian mirror where I could get
> > > "older" / former squeeze package versions from (packages needed shown
> > > in list below)
> > 
> > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.5+3/changelog
> > On the right side, you get what you need. I think.
> > 
> thank you for answer - no, there I don't get was I'm looking for (at least I 
> don't get it)
> this seems to be a link to all Changelogs; but clicking e.g. on "xorg 
> 1:7.4-2"  
> - the version I would need - I end up at package search results for "xorg" 
> (the versions I already have for squeeze)
> 
> 



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Re: Cannot compile testing vanilla kernel under Debian

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-02-15 04:23 +0100, James Brown wrote:

> I tried several times to compile the testing vanilia Linux kernel 
> 2.6.33-rc8  under Debian, but every time I had an error (see attached file).
> But it was possible for me to do that with the stable kernel 2.6.32.
> What was the mistake I did?

None, except using a buggy kernel-package.

> This is kernel package version 11.015.

You need to upgrade kernel-package to version 12.032, or use
"make deb-pkg" instead.

> echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo "\"\" 
> "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo "  \"2.6.33-rc8\" "; 
> echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
> The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
>  "" 
> does not match current version:
>  "2.6.33-rc8" 
> Please correct this.
> make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8] Ошибка 2

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561569

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Re: Air compressors vs. canned air

[Freeman]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:51:06PM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote:
> On 14 February 2010 14:27, Timothy Legg  wrote:
> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> >>>...and might be able to
> >>> comment on the respective merits of air compressors vs. air cans..?
> >>>
> >>> CJ
> 
> 
> > Please don't use the readily available R-134a bottles.  I am not yet
> > convinced of the environmental safety of this coolant.
> >
> > Timothy Legg
> 
> I can vouch for this, R134A is not an ozone depeting refrigeratnt but
> it is still a greenhouse gas and at approximatley 1300 times worse,
> weight for weight with CO2.
> 

I use 16 gram CO2 cartridges for emergency filling of bicycle tires.  Saw a
gun designed to incorporate them into use on computers and bought it.  It is
kind of week, short lived and expensive @ $2.5 each.  Hadn't considered the
environmental aspect.  But it is rare-use.

Also have a vacuum cleaner attachment for keyboards. It has 23 tubes, 3/16 x
4 inches, with tiny brushes on the ends.  Looks like a strange sex toy. 
Can't remember where I got it.  Surprisingly, the silicon rubber tubes are
still very bendy.

Works really well but I don't know about components with the brushes.

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Re: Building kernel image packages with make-kpkg, custom dependency

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 02:36:37PM -0500, Cliff Flood wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having some problems with building kernel image packages using `make-kpkg`
> 
> I'm trying to build a package with a custom dependency and have tried
> editing the control files generated by make-kpkg but find that these
> changes don't make it into the produced package.
> 
> So let me back up and explain what's going on.
> 
> I need to distribute a custom kernel-img.conf to my systems (to ensure
> they have "silent_modules" set to "yes" which will allow unattended
> upgrades of kernels that match the one that is currently installed)
> and I'm doing this by including kernel-img.conf in one of my parent
> packages. This first version of this package that included this file I
> wish to include as a dependency for my distributed kernel image
> packages.

What file(s) have you tried to edit? When?

> 
> While I'm on the topic I had another problem I have solved but if
> there's a better way of doing this I'd like to hear it; On my systems
> /boot is mounted RO so it must be remounted RW before a kernel can be
> installed. I've achieved this by patching the "preinst" generated by
> make-kpkg, is there a better way?

Is it just /boot ? Or some other parts of the file system? What happens
when you need to insall / upgrade grub?

> 
> It seems I have the solution to my problem but I'm frustrated by
> implementation issues.

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Re: HW Raid

[Victor Padro]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Alex Samad  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am looking at buying a hardware raid controller, I have been an
> advocate of software raid for quite a while, but having run into some
> problems running a 10 disk home server, I figure its time to bit the
> bullet and buy a good/nice card.
>
> What I am looking at is the ability to monitor the array from within
> linux, sort of like mdadm does, so that if/when a drive goes faulty I
> will be notified. I would also like to be able to use smartctl on the
> individual drives so I can gather information from them whilst linux is
> running.
>
> I have been looking at the Highpoint Rocket Raid 3530, this seems to
> fit the build for me, but thats from reading the doco.
>
> I was wondering has any one on the list been using these cards ? what is
> the management software like and the monitoring
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> --
> "I'd rather have them sacrificing on behalf of our nation than, you know, 
> endless hours of testimony on congressional hill."
>
>        - George W. Bush
> 06/04/2002
> Fort Meade, Maryland
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PERC 6/i and 3Ware(LSI) are known to be good under Debian:
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1311&_nkw=perc+6i&_sacat=See-All-Categories
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150410%2050001642%201193547230&name=PCI-Express%20x8

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Re: Cannot compile testing vanilla kernel under Debian

[James Brown]

Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2010-02-15 04:23 +0100, James Brown wrote:
>
>   
>> I tried several times to compile the testing vanilia Linux kernel 
>> 2.6.33-rc8  under Debian, but every time I had an error (see attached file).
>> But it was possible for me to do that with the stable kernel 2.6.32.
>> What was the mistake I did?
>> 
>
> None, except using a buggy kernel-package.
>
>   
>> This is kernel package version 11.015.
>> 
>
> You need to upgrade kernel-package to version 12.032, or use
> "make deb-pkg" instead.
>
>   
>> echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo "   \"\" 
>> "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo "  \"2.6.33-rc8\" "; 
>> echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
>> The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h
>> "" 
>> does not match current version:
>> "2.6.33-rc8" 
>> Please correct this.
>> make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33-rc8] Ошибка 2
>> 
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561569
>
> Sven
>
>
>   
Very thanks


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