Java plugins in 64bit Debian
I installed a Debian Lenny (amd64), and sun-jdk in addition to the default gcj based default Java. When I access Java content with Firefox (or is IceWeasel) the browsed prompts me to install JDK... Clicking the prompt shows Sun's website with download button. I installed that, but nothing changes. Using update-java-alternatives talks about missing firefox.plugin.so or something similar, no matter which of the alternatives I pick. Where can those plugin shared libraries can be get? Downloading JRE from Sun does not install them. -- http://www.iki.fi/jarif/ You will step on the night soil of many countries. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:00:14 +0200, Jari Fredriksson wrote: > I installed a Debian Lenny (amd64), and sun-jdk in addition to the > default gcj based default Java. > > When I access Java content with Firefox (or is IceWeasel) the browsed > prompts me to install JDK... Clicking the prompt shows Sun's website > with download button. > > I installed that, but nothing changes. > > Using update-java-alternatives talks about missing firefox.plugin.so or > something similar, no matter which of the alternatives I pick. > > Where can those plugin shared libraries can be get? Downloading JRE from > Sun does not install them. I've got installed the following packages: s...@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep sun ii sun-java6-bin6-12-1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (ar ii sun-java6-jre6-12-1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (ar ii sun-java6-plugin 6-12-1 The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6 So maybe you are missing the "sun-java6-plugin" package. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Man Page Bug?
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:28:02 -0800, Freeman wrote: > Regarding the sinntp package. > >>From man page, nntp-pull: > > ---begin quoted text--- > > EXAMPLES >nntp-pull --server=news.example.org --limit=50 >?comp.os.linux>os-linux? > >Fetches at most the 50 newest articles from the newsgroup >comp.os.linux located on news.example.org server and appends them >to the os-linux mailbox file. > > ---end quoted text--- > > Should that not read "?comp.os.linux>>os-linux?" (two >'s) to append to > rather than overwrite a news file? >From a bash point of view, I'd say yes. Just test it and see how it behaves. If the command replaces the file, you better open a bug report. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: what happened to my desktop?
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:57:13 -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: > I update to testing daily. Recently my desktop icons changed images > (they're all clipboards(?) now) but more importantly *none* of them work > anymore. I now get a requester with several options and when I select > 'Run' it simply open gedit on the program's .desktop file. > > What's going on? Dunno :-? But you create a new user and test there if the icons on the desktop are working as they should. Maybe something was messed up with your user's profile. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
> > So maybe you are missing the "sun-java6-plugin" package. > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > Thanks, works now! That was it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On 11.1.2010 11:12, Camale�n wrote: > > So maybe you are missing the "sun-java6-plugin" package. > Thanks, Java works now in the browser! -- http://www.iki.fi/jarif/ Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My warning about Lenny
* Joey Hess [2010-01-10 23:23]: > This is not the case in Debian 5.0. Nor was it the case with Debian 4.0. > Debian 3.1 (2005) was the last one to do that. Interesting. Tasksel on my Squeeze box still does that. Yours, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: My warning about Lenny
(Moving this to the d-boot list. Please reply to that list only.) Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Joey Hess [2010-01-10 23:23]: > >> This is not the case in Debian 5.0. Nor was it the case with Debian 4.0. >> Debian 3.1 (2005) was the last one to do that. > > Interesting. Tasksel on my Squeeze box still does that. It really shouldn't, and it doesn't for me in sid. We've also had no other reports of that happening. How exactly did you determine that it does? The best way to check is to select both "Graphical desktop environment" and "manual package selection" and then check the list shown in aptitude of "Packages to be installed" (not the ones to be installed automatically as dependencies). There is only way it can do that: if at some point you preseeded a the debconf template 'tasksel/desktop' to install both. But that's unlikely. What's the output of 'debconf-show tasksel | grep "/desktop"'? Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: chroot a few apps
Hi, On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:26:47AM +0100, Vadkan Jozsef wrote: > What kind of chroot should I use, if I want to make a more secured > desktop, running e.g.: ... > or e.g.: I have to open a .doc file, that I don't trust, or a PDF can > contain malicious code :( Chroot only provides limited security and it is not practical for purpose you described. (I mean wrong tool for desktop apps.) Debian is fairly safe as default. If you wish to have security with reasonable efforts with minimal knowledge, I suggest followings: 1. Use stable system with latest security updates and not to do funny configuration such as chroot. You will make system more insecure if it is not done very well. 2. Use alternate user account for somewhat insecure actions for now to limit damages. 3. Do not execute program from insecure source intentionally. 4. Read "Securing Debian Manual" and follow. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html 5. Run desktop applications under a virtual system such as kvm, virtualbox-ose, ... with freshly copied clean system if you are really paranoid and have to access such insecure documents. I know these are not the best thing for the security but quite practical. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
nsswitch.conf/LDAP
Hello list, I have a problem with my NSS/LDAP setup. When I set passwd: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap group: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap shadow: files in /etc/nsswitch.conf and then enter 'id root' in the shell the NSS tries to contact the LDAP server *although* root is contained in /etc/passwd, /etc/group (and /etc/shadow) and can thus be authenticated without inquiring the LDAP server. So what I want is, to have users be authenticated via LDAP only when they are *not* in the passwd/group files. How do I archieve this? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
TONIGHT Join 5-6P Mon 11th - 1st Evening Meeting test IRC & VOIP online Debian at BerkeleyTIP-Global - for forwarding
You're invited to the first test of the Global Debian bimonthly evening meetings at BerkeleyTIP-Global. :) Join in tonight, Monday Jan 11, 5-6P Pacific, 8-9P Eastern, = Tues Jan 12 1A-2A UTC. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule On #berkeleytip on irc.freenode.net, & on voip - whatever is working - try btip server first. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance This will be an online only meeting - no in person meeting at UCB. Hot topics: Community Leadership Summit review of interesting sessions, Spring 2010 efforts for UCB & all UC's & all college activities, Upcoming KDE conference end of next week, for 1 week, in Los Angeles. What do _you_ want to discuss? == Some people have asked for an evening meeting, because: a) they can't make weekend meetings, b) they want more BTIP-Global. ;) So, this will be a test, everyone invited, to see if we can make this work. == BerkeleyTIP-Global is the Global All Free SW HW & Culture meeting online via VOIP. http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/ Join the global mailing list, say "hi", & what you're interested in. :) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal For Forwarding: You are invited to forward this announcement wherever it might be appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: nsswitch.conf/LDAP
Hi, (I never configured NSS/LDAP myself) On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 01:22:26PM +0100, Michael Mühlbauer wrote: > I have a problem with my NSS/LDAP setup. When I set > > passwd: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > group: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > shadow: files > > in /etc/nsswitch.conf and then enter 'id root' in the shell the NSS > tries to contact the LDAP server *although* root is contained in > /etc/passwd, /etc/group (and /etc/shadow) and can thus be > authenticated without inquiring the LDAP server. > > So what I want is, to have users be authenticated via LDAP only when > they are *not* in the passwd/group files. How do I archieve this? In most installations, /etc/shadow contain local password setting. Why not > shadow: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap (passwd only contain account public info.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Theming GTK tooltips
Due to a piece of software not packaged for Debian, I've been forced to
use the Raleigh theme in GTK apps due to a conflict between a component
called Lazaraus and the QTCurve theme preferred for GTK apps in KDE4.
I can generally live with the look except for the tooltips with appear
as black on grey and tend to blend into the rest of the widgets.
At one time I had solved this but something seems to have changed and
I'm not sure what. I have the following in my ~.gtkrc-2.0:
$ cat .gtkrc-2.0
style "tooltip" {
bg[NORMAL] = "#FBF7B0"
fg[NORMAL] = "#00"
}
widget "gtk-tooltip" style "tooltip"
But there is no change from the default. It seems some subtle changes
have been made to later GTK versions but I've yet to find how many
chickens to kill during the new moon to get this to work.
- Nate >>
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Re: iceweasel window raised with remote open
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:50:34 -0500, I wrote: > Wget calls were not sufficient to keep me logged in. This was no surprise. > The web site creates a cookie, and if I delete it I have to log in again. On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:38:39 -0500, Celejar replied: > wget is perfectly capable of sending cookies along with its HTTP > requests - see the man page. So I see. At the moment, the ReloadEvery addon is doing what I need. If I ever need another solution, though, I'll try "wget --load-cookies". Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to install Eclipse 3.5 on Debian 5 (lenny) stable release ?
Hi Angus Hedger, Zhan and All, Thanks for all the suggestions. As upgrading to "un-stable" may not be reversible, I think I would be happy to stay in the "stable" release with eclipse 3.2 and eclipse 3.5 installed. That's enough. Regards Lawrence On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Zhan wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Angus Hedger wrote: > >> Hey there, >> >> Yes, as far as I know that would work, but if you are not careful you will >> end up upgrading you'er whole system to sid (as someone who added unstable >> sources to his Lenny install once by accident and ended up >> in dependency hell with half the system upgraded and half not). >> >> Also sid is not recommended unless you are experienced with debian and >> willing to fix it if everything breaks ;) >> >> So, I would recommended not changing your sources.list like that myself. >> >> Regards, >> >> Angus. >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Tsang Kim Wai wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Thanks for all your information. The eclipse 3.5 works OK. >>> >>> But if I want to try one of Mathias suggestion to upgrade my old >>> eclipse 3.2 to eclipse 3.4 in the unstable release, then, in my >>> understanding, I would need to edit the "/etc/apt/sources.list" file to >>> change any "lenny" keywork to "sid". >>> >>> My sources.list file contains the following lines : >>> >>> deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free >>> deb-src http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free >>> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free >>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free >>> >>> deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main >>> contrib non-free >>> deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main >>> contrib non-free >>> >>> Then I think replacing all "lenny" to "sid" should change my Debian >>> system from stable to un-stable release so that I could upgrade eclipse 3.2 >>> to eclipse 3.4 by running just "apt-get install eclipse". Is that the case ? >>> >>> >>> Alternatively, if I don't change my Debian system to un-stable >>> release through editing "sources.list", could I still upgrade my old eclipse >>> 3.2 to eclipse 3.4 in other way ? >>> >>> Any comment / suggestion. >>> >>> Regards >>> Lawrence >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Mathias wrote: >>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Tsang Kim Wai wrote: Hi Nick Douma, Liam O'Toole and Mathias, > > It works by simply extracting the downloaded Eclipse 3.5 binary > file > into /usr/local/eclipse-3.5/ directory and then run the eclipse script > under > that directory. But I think, the eclipse 3.5 simple installation may > depend > on some configurations of my old eclipse 3.2 installation. That is, I > may > not un-install eclipse 3.2 while expecting eclipse 3.5 would work > properly. > Is that the case ? > > Anyway, thank you for all your suggestions. > > Yeah, seeing how the apt system on debian mostly works to maintain and upgrade the packages to newer version, the 3.4 that is in unstable would replace the 3.2 one, unless some changes were made to the newer package. As mentioned earlier, creating a symlink in /usr/bin seems like a good idea too. Mat >>> >>> >>> >> > Hi there, > > yes, change your source list to Sid/unstable will help you to install 3.4 > in Debian way. > > A few suggestions though: > 1: backup you current source list; > 2: comment out security and volatile lines for Sid; > 3: just upgrade eclipse and switch back to Lenny if you prefer staying in > the stable/boring land and do a source list update immediately. > > -- > Thanks and regards, > > Zhan >
Re: Theming GTK tooltips
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:05:02 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
(...)
> At one time I had solved this but something seems to have changed and
> I'm not sure what. I have the following in my ~.gtkrc-2.0:
>
> $ cat .gtkrc-2.0
> style "tooltip" {
> bg[NORMAL] = "#FBF7B0"
> fg[NORMAL] = "#00"
> }
>
> widget "gtk-tooltip" style "tooltip"
>
>
> But there is no change from the default. It seems some subtle changes
> have been made to later GTK versions but I've yet to find how many
> chickens to kill during the new moon to get this to work.
Hum... test with:
***
style "tooltip" {
bg[NORMAL] = "#FBF7B0"
fg[NORMAL] = "#00"
}
widget "*gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip"
***
Note the "asterisks" (*). And relogin.
Greetings,
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Failed to open /dev/ndas
Hi, I've got following error while I was registering the ndas: Failed to open /dev/ndas Check NDAS device file exists, driver module is loaded and started by administration tool I can see /dev/ndas: $ ls -al /dev/ndas brw-r--r-- 1 root root 60, 256 2010-01-12 00:01 /dev/ndas Appreciate any advice. Thank you. Kind Regards, Jupiter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Roman Gelfand has invited you to open a Google mail account
> > On 01/10/2010 12:15 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Tue,05.Jan.10, 13:41:18, Mark Allums wrote: >> >> >> >>> I guess your sarcasm meter is broken today. Better get it service. >>> (The hotmail post is satire, guys.) >>> >>> >> Quote from RFC 1855, section 2.1.1 (emphasis mine): >> >> "Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, >> and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember >> that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. *Be* >> *especially* *careful* *with* *sarcasm*." >> >> Regards, >> Andrei >> >> > Thanks, Andrei. By the way, I don't think that was satire, but when things > turned south , he changed the 'from' mail address from gmail to another and > tried to get away with the old "oh guys, I was just joking." Common... > > No, it was definitely satire. To explain: I felt the amount of time and effort trying to determine if spam was some nefarious plot by google to increase market share highly amusing and deserving of mockery/ridicule. I also felt almost quoting the slap-chop commercial verbatim would be obvious enough for anyone with access to the internet. I'll be sure to post in debian-humor.list from now on. Best, Arthur PS. Yes, I know Debian Humor doesn't exist. It's another joke.
current debian/lenny (stable) support for various RAID chipsets
Folks, I'm wondering where best to find out if Debian Lenny has support for the SATA/RAID chipsets on my Asus A8V Deluxe mobo, specifically the Promise PDC20378 and VIA VT8237 controllers? I'd date to buy a new SATA disk and find I can't use it! Please let me know if I've missed out any vital info Thanks, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Slow after Xorg upgrade
After today Xorg upgrade video is too slow: window movement, scroll (specially Iceweasel). Upgrade: xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4 -> 1:7.5+1 xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd 1.2.5-1 -> 1.3.0-2 My video card is a "VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT]" and use radeonhd driver. Anyone with this problem? Thanks :) Regards, -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Back to Debian after 10 years
Avi Greenbury wrote: > Ali Milis wrote: >> Ubuntu is great only if you have spare time. > Or if the defaults are acceptable to you. ROFL, for years I tried to fantasize that Ubuntu is defaults are acceptable. > Personally, I find that Debian on laptops requires more time to set > up than Ubuntu does generally, but that's probably because Ubuntu's > actually pretty close to where my Debian desktop installs end up. Or > maybe I have a higher than average use of hardware that's not supported > by dfsg software? Yes, but once we set Debian properly, it will be stable. With Ubuntu, we always have to guess randomly, what the &^%&^(@@ happen to the setting. -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
the Flock browser
Hi there. Does anyone know if the Flock browser is available in Debian? According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335459 it seems that the software was planned to enter the Debian repositories long ago but I cannot find it. If it is available via APT, please let me know the name of its package. Thanks. Nima -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: current debian/lenny (stable) support for various RAID chipsets
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:53:05 +, michael wrote: > Folks, I'm wondering where best to find out if Debian Lenny has support > for the SATA/RAID chipsets on my Asus A8V Deluxe mobo, specifically the > Promise PDC20378 and VIA VT8237 controllers? I'd date to buy a new SATA > disk and find I can't use it! Please let me know if I've missed out any > vital info Not specific for Debian, but you have a list of sata raid chipsets and their status in this page: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html Side note: if you are considering mounting a RAID system, I would avoid using the so-called "fakeraid" chipsets (BIOS/RAID and driver -or dm- dependendant) and better go with a pure linux software raid (md). Another good option should be acquiring a real hardware raid card but they are a bit expensive. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: the Flock browser
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 07:49:53PM +0330, Nima Azarbayjany wrote: > Hi there. > > Does anyone know if the Flock browser is available in Debian? > > According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335459 > it seems that the software was planned to enter the Debian > repositories long ago but I cannot find it. If it is available via > It is a simple matter of downloading the GNU/Linux version from their page and unzipping it to a .flock subdirectory in your path or home directory. -- Kind Regards, Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: the Flock browser
--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Nima Azarbayjany wrote: > From: Nima Azarbayjany > Subject: the Flock browser > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:19 PM > Hi there. > > Does anyone know if the Flock browser is available in > Debian? > According to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335459 > it seems that the software was planned to enter the Debian > repositories long ago but I cannot find it. If it is > available via APT, please let me know the name of its > package. > t...@deathstar:~$ apt-cache search Flock libio-lockedfile-perl - IO::LockedFile Class - supply object methods for locking files rss-glx - Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port xfce4-utils - Various tools for Xfce t...@deathstar:~$ apt-cache search Flock browser xfce4-utils - Various tools for Xfce t...@deathstar:~$ looks like you're S.O.L. sorry tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com translations & interpreting http://www.baldwinsoftware.com tcl yer os with a feather -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't
Sorry for reposting but my home system is effectively unusable. Late on Dec. 25 I rebooted my sid system and my home directory is no longer visible to my system even to Grub. It contains my home directory. An Ubuntu 8.10 live CD sees it just fine. I normally keep everything updated unless apt-listbugs shows. FWIW it's /dev/hda10 on a 40GB drive. The / directory which is /dev/hda9 is completely visible and boots just fine. Is anyone aware of any changes at that time that would cause this? Any diagnostic ideas? TIA, Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: current debian/lenny (stable) support for various RAID chipsets
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:53 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:53:05 +, michael wrote: > > > Folks, I'm wondering where best to find out if Debian Lenny has support > > for the SATA/RAID chipsets on my Asus A8V Deluxe mobo, specifically the > > Promise PDC20378 and VIA VT8237 controllers? I'd date to buy a new SATA > > disk and find I can't use it! Please let me know if I've missed out any > > vital info > > Not specific for Debian, but you have a list of sata raid chipsets and > their status in this page: > > http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html > > Side note: if you are considering mounting a RAID system, I would avoid > using the so-called "fakeraid" chipsets (BIOS/RAID and driver -or dm- > dependendant) and better go with a pure linux software raid (md). > > Another good option should be acquiring a real hardware raid card but > they are a bit expensive. > > Greetings, Camaleon, many thanks for the reply. Looks like the PROMISE one may be problematic but the VIA one okay (is that correct reading?). Note that at the moment I'm thinking of just using a single SATA (ie no RAID) but these seem to be the controllers so I'm presuming I need them to work okay! Thanks, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Man Page Bug?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:26:58AM +, Camaleón wrote: > > From a bash point of view, I'd say yes. > > Just test it and see how it behaves. If the command replaces the file, > you better open a bug report. > Filed. -- Kind Regards, Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: current debian/lenny (stable) support for various RAID chipsets
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:10:20 +, michael wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:53 +, Camaleón wrote: >> Side note: if you are considering mounting a RAID system, I would avoid >> using the so-called "fakeraid" chipsets (BIOS/RAID and driver -or dm- >> dependendant) and better go with a pure linux software raid (md). >> >> Another good option should be acquiring a real hardware raid card but >> they are a bit expensive. >> >> Greetings, > Camaleon, many thanks for the reply. Looks like the PROMISE one may be > problematic but the VIA one okay (is that correct reading?). I'd say both chipsets are supported by any of "libata" or "ahci" drivers, depending on the BIOS settings for SATA modes. > Note that at the moment I'm thinking of just using a single SATA (ie no > RAID) but these seem to be the controllers so I'm presuming I need them > to work okay! Please note that the above page lists the status for the "RAID" feature. Standard use of sata disks (non-raid setup) should be o.k. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ASUS/A8V+Deluxe Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: current debian/lenny (stable) support for various RAID chipsets
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 17:30 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:10:20 +, michael wrote: > > > On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 16:53 +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> Side note: if you are considering mounting a RAID system, I would avoid > >> using the so-called "fakeraid" chipsets (BIOS/RAID and driver -or dm- > >> dependendant) and better go with a pure linux software raid (md). > >> > >> Another good option should be acquiring a real hardware raid card but > >> they are a bit expensive. > >> > >> Greetings, > > Camaleon, many thanks for the reply. Looks like the PROMISE one may be > > problematic but the VIA one okay (is that correct reading?). > > I'd say both chipsets are supported by any of "libata" or "ahci" drivers, > depending on the BIOS settings for SATA modes. > > > Note that at the moment I'm thinking of just using a single SATA (ie no > > RAID) but these seem to be the controllers so I'm presuming I need them > > to work okay! > > Please note that the above page lists the status for the "RAID" feature. > Standard use of sata disks (non-raid setup) should be o.k. > > http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ASUS/A8V+Deluxe > Camaleon, brill! That's a most useful link. I'll get myself a SATA and give it a whirl :) M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?
On Friday 08 January 2010 13:43:19 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/8/2010 1:35 PM: > > Yet again, you make no points about OpenGL that have not been make about > > X in the past. Yet, X (and I'm pretty sure OpenGL) still *work* over the > > network. > > Cite an example of a current working Linux remote OpenGL implementation. > I'd love to read about it. Standard Xorg. Your statement had me confused, and I read it as an implication that it wouldn't work with what I had running. However, I've just confirmed that the GLX extension is reported as available, and functions (albeit slowly) when using remote X. I used two computers to test, though I suppose there may be other ways to do it. The steps were simple. 1. Start an X server on my laptop. This X server must accept network connections. I used a second X server, since I use a login manager that starts X with the -nolisten option. I also turned off access control for this second X server. Note the IP address of this system. 2. Ssh to my desktop. OpenSSH's X forwarding feature is neither used nor desired. 3. Using a command like (DISPLAY=$IP:1 glxgears) or (DISPLAY=$IP:1 glxinfo) run a program that uses the GLX extension. Note that even if direct rendering works locally, it will not be advertised over network connections. As such, any actual drawing will be slower than when direct rendering is available. 4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL commands for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am using requires exclusive access to the hardware to process some GLX requests. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: 100mbit router
> I have a 30/20 Mbit internet connection. > I want to buy a new router, because the old one: DL-604 is no longer > supported. > What router should I buy, that can handle a 30/20 connection? > No wifi, only ethernet. > Are there cheap routers that supports VLANs and can handle this speed > [uploading and downloading at the same time]? I have recently started using an old wrtsl54gs (using OpenWRT), configured as a typical "home router" (e.g. it uses NAT) except the upstream is a 100Mb/s link. When connected directly, I used to see up to 9MB/s effective download bandwidths, and now I see them only go as far up as 5MB/s. So, 50Mb/s is probably the limit for such a small machine, but it seems sufficient for your needs. Those little boxes have a 266MHz MIPS CPU and 32M of RAM (http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/hardware/linksys/wrtsl54gs). They support VLANs as well. I'd expect newer home routers to handle that kind of traffic as well, tho there's been a tendency to reduce the specs (to cut costs, presumably), especially on the RAM and flash fronts, less so on the CPU side. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:12:19AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Sorry for reposting but my home system is effectively unusable. > > Late on Dec. 25 I rebooted my sid system and my home directory is no > longer visible to my system even to Grub. It contains my home > directory. An Ubuntu 8.10 live CD sees it just fine. I normally keep > everything updated unless apt-listbugs shows. > > FWIW it's /dev/hda10 on a 40GB drive. The / directory which is > /dev/hda9 is completely visible and boots just fine. > > Is anyone aware of any changes at that time that would cause this? > > Any diagnostic ideas? What do you mean by "doesn't see"? no device or no filesystem? What does fdisk say? ~# fdisk -l Which filesystem does on it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Autostart service when debian boot up
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Re: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:12:19AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Sorry for reposting but my home system is effectively unusable. > > Late on Dec. 25 I rebooted my sid system and my home directory is no > longer visible to my system even to Grub. It contains my home > directory. An Ubuntu 8.10 live CD sees it just fine. I normally keep > everything updated unless apt-listbugs shows. > > FWIW it's /dev/hda10 on a 40GB drive. The / directory which is > /dev/hda9 is completely visible and boots just fine. > > Is anyone aware of any changes at that time that would cause this? > > Any diagnostic ideas? I had a similar problem not too long ago and used cfdisk to rebuild the partition table; somehow it got messed up and cfdisk fixed it, via using an Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD. Might be worth looking into for you. I think it worked because Ubuntu recognized the partitions, so it was able to rebuild the partition table based on sector locations of partitions it recognized. Just a guess though, that's getting beyond my realm of knowledge. Mark
Re: Autostart service when debian boot up
On Monday 11 January 2010 13:23:57 pch0317 wrote: > I want to start service "service1" when debian boot up, but with "user1" > rights (not root rights). > Is this possible? Yes, some services do it automatically. Some services have a setting under /etc/defaults for what user to run as. Some services use their own configuration under /etc to control this. It is rather service specific, assuming you want the service to actually work. Since it may need some permissions during start-up that it can drop later, or it may need to leave a stub process behind to handle a few actions that require extra permissions. > If yes, how I can do that. It depends on the service. In general, init scripts are run as a privledges process and they can either use su (with the -c option) or sudo (the first is generally preferred in this case) to switch to another use and execute commands as that user. If su or sudo are not ideal for some reason (needing early permissions), the daemon/service/binary itself would be started with privileges that it can drop with setuid/setgid calls. If you have a particular service in mind, please reply with that information. It's possible someone else on the list has experience with that service and can give more specific information. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Gnome buggers: please reopen bug 358731
2010/1/11 Stephen Powell : > On 2010-01-09 at 16:40:22 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Does someone here have the proper permissions to reopen a Gnome bug >> that was incorrectly marked as dupe? Thanks: >> >> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358731 > > This looks like an "upstream" bug report, as opposed to a Debian > bug report. You'll need to contact the upstream maintainer, explain > the circumstances, and request a reopen. > > It is upstream for Debian, but I am not part of any Gnome communities so I asked here if there are any Gnome community members with the proper permissions. Maybe I could have found a better term than "Gnome buggers", but it was late :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Theming GTK tooltips
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:14:06 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> But there is no change from the default. It seems some subtle changes
>> have been made to later GTK versions but I've yet to find how many
>> chickens to kill during the new moon to get this to work.
>
> Hum... test with:
>
> ***
> style "tooltip" {
> bg[NORMAL] = "#FBF7B0"
> fg[NORMAL] = "#00"
> }
>
> widget "*gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip"
> ***
>
> Note the "asterisks" (*). And relogin.
That seems not working :-P
O.k. it seems the right code should be:
***
style "tooltip" {
bg[NORMAL] = "#FBF7B0"
fg[NORMAL] = "#00"
}
widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip"
***
(note the last "asterisk", there must be only one)
And run "killall nautilus gnome-panel" in gnome-terminal (no need to
restart your session). The changes should automatically apply.
Greetings,
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dependency hell + I want to keep deb installation files local ...
... in order to update them from a local drive in the future if I need to ~ I recently went: ~ apt-get update Ign http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./ Release.gpg Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release.gpg Get:1 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release.gpg [835B] ... Get:43 http://ftp.de.debian.org experimental/non-free Packages [1120B] Fetched 19.3MB in 1min 51s (174kB/s) Reading package lists... Done ~ and ~ apt-get -d -o Dir::Cache::Archives= upgrade r...@microknoppix:~# apt-get -d -o Dir::Cache::Archives="/media/sda2/inst/sw/deb/arc" upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: ... The following packages will be upgraded: ... 282 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 85 not upgraded. Need to get 355MB of archives. After this operation, 13.0MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libexpat1 2.0.1-4+lenny3 [132kB] ... Get:282 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main tftpd-hpa 5.0-10 [43.6kB] Fetched 355MB in 34min 4s (174kB/s) Download complete and in download only mode r...@microknoppix:~# ~ then I editted /etc/apt/sorce.list leaving as the only uncommented line: ~ deb file:// stable main contrib non-free ~ so that all files are grabbed from there ~ I did install the flashplayer plugin for firefox by going ~ # dpkg --install libnspr4-dev_4.7.1-5_i386.deb Selecting previously deselected package libnspr4-dev. (Reading database ... 88316 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libnspr4-dev (from libnspr4-dev_4.7.1-5_i386.deb) ... Setting up libnspr4-dev (4.7.1-5) ... ~ # dpkg --install install_flash_player_10_linux.deb (Reading database ... 88419 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace adobe-flashplugin 10.0.42.34-1 (using install_flash_player_10_linux.deb) ... Unpacking replacement adobe-flashplugin ... Setting up adobe-flashplugin (10.0.42.34-1) ... ~ because it only depended on a single dev package no depth or conflicting dependency ramifications ~ Of course I knew I wasn't going to be that lucky with Kdevelop, Kate, Openoffice, ... ;-) ~ I need to: ~ 1) use apt-get and let it handle all dependencies and ~ 2) somehow make apt-get leave all downloaded deb archives in the I have ~ How can you do that? ~ Thank you lbrtchx ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Jari Fredriksson wrote: > > I installed a Debian Lenny (amd64), and sun-jdk in addition to the > default gcj based default Java. > > When I access Java content with Firefox (or is IceWeasel) the browsed > prompts me to install JDK... Clicking the prompt shows Sun's website > with download button. for some reason we (the user of debian) are being pushed to use icedtea and its java plugin, I don't have a problem with this except for the fact that the plugin isn't a drop in replacement for the sun plugin, but its turning into a grin and bear it. as has been answered in other emails, you need the sun*plugin package and you need to set the java alternative to sun > > I installed that, but nothing changes. > > Using update-java-alternatives talks about missing firefox.plugin.so or > something similar, no matter which of the alternatives I pick. > > Where can those plugin shared libraries can be get? Downloading JRE from > Sun does not install them. > -- "We do know that Saddam Hussein had the intent and the capabilities to cause great harm. We know he was a great danger... What we don't know yet is what we thought and what the Iraqi Survey Group has found, and we want to look at that." - George W. Bush 02/02/2004 Washington, DC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re[2]: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't
> -Original Message- > From: lego_12...@rambler.ru > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: 01/11/10 19:24 > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:12:19AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > Sorry for reposting but my home system is effectively unusable. > > > > Late on Dec. 25 I rebooted my sid system and my home directory is no > > longer visible to my system even to Grub. It contains my home > > directory. An Ubuntu 8.10 live CD sees it just fine. I normally keep > > everything updated unless apt-listbugs shows. > > > > FWIW it's /dev/hda10 on a 40GB drive. The / directory which is > > /dev/hda9 is completely visible and boots just fine. > > > > Is anyone aware of any changes at that time that would cause this? > > > > Any diagnostic ideas? > > What do you mean by "doesn't see"? no device or no filesystem? Good point! - No device. > > What does fdisk say? I'm replying right now from the Ubuntu system. I'll reboot soon and answer that. A problem with this broken system is my current setup is blasting my virtual terminals with iptables messages. Thanks, Paul > > ~# fdisk -l > > Which filesystem does on it? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: dependency hell + I want to keep deb installation files local ...
On 2010-01-11 at 14:59:19 -0500, Albretch Mueller wrote: > I need to: > ~ > 1) use apt-get and let it handle all dependencies and > ~ > 2) somehow make apt-get leave all downloaded deb archives in the > I have > ~ > How can you do that? I feel inadequate to respond to this post, but perhaps I can at least give a partial answer. I hope someone else who is more knowledgeable than I am in this area (which doesn't take much) can give a better answer. But here goes. I usually use a combination of "dselect update" and "aptitude -R full-upgrade" to perform an upgrade. I prefer "dselect update" over "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" because it downloads package descriptions for all available packages, not just installed packages. I can then use, for example, dpkg-query -p xxx|less where xxx is the name of any package, installed or not, and view its description. I use aptitude rather than apt-get to perform the upgrade because it seems to be much better at resolving complex package dependency relationships than apt-get. The -R option prevents recommended packages from being treated as prerequisites. As for keeping the downloaded package files, (.deb files), downloaded packages are kept by default in /var/cache/apt/archives. If you run aptitude clean before you start, then all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives will be from your most recent run and you can copy them wherever you want afterwards. There are two caveats, however. (1) package files read from CD or DVD are not downloaded to the package cache directory first: they are installed directly from the CD or DVD. Therefore, make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list file does not contain any CD or DVD entries, and (2) You must make sure that the partition which contains the package cache directory does not get low on disk space during the upgrade. Otherwise aptitude might attempt a partial cleanup of the package cache during the upgrade. In other words, it might erase package files that have already been installed to prevent a "disk full" condition. I hope this helps. Maybe someone else can provide you with a better answer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Autostart service when debian boot up
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Monday 11 January 2010 13:23:57 pch0317 wrote: I want to start service "service1" when debian boot up, but with "user1" rights (not root rights). Is this possible? Yes, some services do it automatically. Some services have a setting under /etc/defaults for what user to run as. Some services use their own configuration under /etc to control this. It is rather service specific, assuming you want the service to actually work. Since it may need some permissions during start-up that it can drop later, or it may need to leave a stub process behind to handle a few actions that require extra permissions. If yes, how I can do that. It depends on the service. In general, init scripts are run as a privledges process and they can either use su (with the -c option) or sudo (the first is generally preferred in this case) to switch to another use and execute commands as that user. If su or sudo are not ideal for some reason (needing early permissions), the daemon/service/binary itself would be started with privileges that it can drop with setuid/setgid calls. If you have a particular service in mind, please reply with that information. It's possible someone else on the list has experience with that service and can give more specific information. I think about jboss and jboss user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On 2010-01-11 at 15:32:54 -0500, Alex Samad wrote: > for some reason we (the user of debian) are being pushed to use icedtea > and its java plugin, I don't have a problem with this except for the > fact that the plugin isn't a drop in replacement for the sun plugin, but > its turning into a grin and bear it. Sun Java is not "free" in the sense of "freedom". In other words, it does not meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG). That is also why Sun Java is relegated to the "non-free" portion of the Debian archive. Unless and until Sun decides to release their software under a license that meets the standards of the DFSG, it will never be the default java code on a Debian system. That is pretty much guaranteed by the Debian Social Contract. If you want Sun Java, you'll have to install it yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 03:56:13PM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote: > On 2010-01-11 at 15:32:54 -0500, Alex Samad wrote: > > for some reason we (the user of debian) are being pushed to use icedtea > > and its java plugin, I don't have a problem with this except for the > > fact that the plugin isn't a drop in replacement for the sun plugin, but > > its turning into a grin and bear it. > > Sun Java is not "free" in the sense of "freedom". In other words, it does > not meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG). That is also why > Sun Java is relegated to the "non-free" portion of the Debian archive. > Unless and until Sun decides to release their software under a license > that meets the standards of the DFSG, it will never be the default java > code on a Debian system. That is pretty much guaranteed by the Debian > Social Contract. I am not arguing that, and I agree with what you have said about them making it free. The issue is the icedtea plugin is touted as a replacement for the sun plugin, and it clearly doesn't work properly > > If you want Sun Java, you'll have to install it yourself. > > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
USB audio adapter
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Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On 2010-01-11 at 16:04:26 -0500, Alex Samad wrote: > I am not arguing that, and I agree with what you have said about them > making it free. > > The issue is the icedtea plugin is touted as a replacement for the sun > plugin, and it clearly doesn't work properly I hear you. Of course, there is a Sun plugin too, and you have to install that yourself as well, which may mean de-installing other software to avoid conflicts. At the risk of "hijacking" a thread, I had a similar problem with Flash player plugins. The "free" and default flash player for Etch was constantly crashing my browser. With Lenny it was much more reliable, and it would play a higher percentage of flash plugins correctly, but it still didn't play some of them correctly. At present, there are two pieces of non-free software that I typically install. One is Sun Java. The other is Adobe Flash Player. Philosophically, I much prefer free software. But I'm enough of a pragmatist that I install those two pieces of software because the "it works" feature is the most important thing to me. Writers of free software are often at a distinct disadvantage. The format of the data files is often proprietary and undocumented. They literally have to guess at the format. Sometimes they guess right and sometimes they don't. If web page creators would use free and open formats for their web content, it would help. But when they use proprietary tools to create the web pages in the first place, it should come as no surprise that the generated web pages use proprietary data file formats. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 04:26:35PM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote: > On 2010-01-11 at 16:04:26 -0500, Alex Samad wrote: > > I am not arguing that, and I agree with what you have said about them > > making it free. > > > > The issue is the icedtea plugin is touted as a replacement for the sun > > plugin, and it clearly doesn't work properly > > I hear you. Of course, there is a Sun plugin too, and you have to install > that yourself as well, which may mean de-installing other software to > avoid conflicts. > > At the risk of "hijacking" a thread, I had a similar > problem with Flash player plugins. The "free" and default flash player > for Etch was constantly crashing my browser. With Lenny it was much > more reliable, and it would play a higher percentage of flash plugins > correctly, but it still didn't play some of them correctly. At present, > there are two pieces of non-free software that I typically install. > One is Sun Java. The other is Adobe Flash Player. Philosophically, > I much prefer free software. But I'm enough of a pragmatist that I > install those two pieces of software because the "it works" feature > is the most important thing to me. > > Writers of free software are often at a distinct disadvantage. > The format of the data files is often proprietary and undocumented. > They literally have to guess at the format. Sometimes they guess right > and sometimes they don't. If web page creators would use free and open > formats for their web content, it would help. But when they use > proprietary tools to create the web pages in the first place, it > should come as no surprise that the generated web pages use proprietary > data file formats. I think we are coming from the same place > > -- Alden's Laws: (1) Giving away baby clothes and furniture is the major cause of pregnancy. (2) Always be backlit. (3) Sit down whenever possible. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't
Waterhorse wrote: -Original Message- From: lego_12...@rambler.ru To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: 01/11/10 19:24 Subject: Re: Ubuntu 8.10 sees my home partition, sid of Dec. 25 doesn't On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:12:19AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Sorry for reposting but my home system is effectively unusable. Late on Dec. 25 I rebooted my sid system and my home directory is no longer visible to my system even to Grub. It contains my home directory. An Ubuntu 8.10 live CD sees it just fine. I normally keep everything updated unless apt-listbugs shows. FWIW it's /dev/hda10 on a 40GB drive. The / directory which is /dev/hda9 is completely visible and boots just fine. Is anyone aware of any changes at that time that would cause this? Any diagnostic ideas? What do you mean by "doesn't see"? no device or no filesystem? Good point! - No device. What does fdisk say? I'm replying right now from the Ubuntu system. I'll reboot soon and answer that. A problem with this broken system is my current setup is blasting my virtual terminals with iptables messages. Oops! fdisk -l does see /dev/hda10 as Linux fsck /dev/hda10 says: The superblock could not be read ... e2fsck -b 8193 says the same. Thanks, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
filezilla alternative
Are there any good FTP programs that support SFTP, FTPS, FTP, SCP plus doesn't store the password in plaintext like filezilla does? Thank you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Theming GTK tooltips
* Camaleón [2010 Jan 11 13:54 -0600]: > widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip" > *** > > (note the last "asterisk", there must be only one) Thanks, Camaleó, that works just as I wanted it to! - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Lenny installation from hdd partition
I have a couple old machines (i386) that I would like to be able to install Debian on from an hdd partition on the same physical hdd that the Lenny installation will reside on (on a different partition), so I can avoid purchasing new CD or DVD drives (the ones in the machines don't work anymore, and USB booting is not an option). Reading the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd I'm wondering if it's possible to get the boot process going without an existing operating system; here's my idea so far: - Shred hdd to erase all partitions - Create 5GB ext3 partition at end of hdd via GParted - Copy hd-media/initrd.gz into new ext3 partition - Copy dvd installation .iso to new ext3 partition Based on this process, with the hdd set as the first boot device in the BIOS, will the installer boot okay to begin installation or is another file(s) needed? Since there is no LILO or GRUB on a blank hdd I'm curious if this is even possible. Apologies if this is a dumb question... Thanks! Mark
Mythtv 0.22 segfault
With recent mythtv upgrade 0.22 I get a kernel message "mythfrontend[8527]: segfault at 0 ip b4f0af13 sp a9168b48 error 4 in libmpeg2.so.0.0.0[b4f05000+17000]" when I try to play back any recording, on my mostly stock Lenny system. (The main differences are upgraded radeonhd drivers, 1.2.5-1 and kernel 2.6.31.5). Everything else in mythtv works, and since mpeg2 crashes I don't think it's the QT4 upgrade issue. Anyone else have problems with 0.22+fixes20100105? I don't see an update in the pipeline but I'm not sure how or whether to escalate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Theming GTK tooltips
* Nate Bargmann [2010 Jan 11 17:27 -0600]: > * Camaleón [2010 Jan 11 13:54 -0600]: > > widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip" > > *** > > > > (note the last "asterisk", there must be only one) > > Thanks, Camaleó, that works just as I wanted it to I guess I wrote too soon. After restarting X I note that the original packge picks up the custom tooltip colors just fine while any and all Debian packaged GTK apps that I've tried still have the default black on grey which is quite mystifying. It's almost as though they ignore ~.gtkrc-2.0 Strange as this persists even after logging out and restarting X. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny installation from hdd partition
>On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Mark wrote: >I have a couple old machines (i386) that I would like to be able to install Debian on from an hdd partition on the same physical hdd that the Lenny installation will reside on (on a different partition), so I can >avoid purchasing new CD or DVD drives (the ones in the machines don't work anymore, and USB booting is not an option). Reading the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd I'm wondering if it's possible to get the boot process going without an existing operating system; here's my idea so far: > >- Shred hdd to erase all partitions >- Create 5GB ext3 partition at end of hdd via GParted >- Copy hd-media/initrd.gz into new ext3 partition >- Copy dvd installation .iso to new ext3 partition Thinking more about it, I bet there needs to be a small FAT16 partition just before the 5 GB ext3 partition with initrd.gz, vmlinuz and syslinux.cfg on it. That's how I set up the usb devices per the manual and it worked. In this case I will used the hd-media version of these files instead of the usb versions though. Mark
Gammu|Wammu with Motorola RZR V3
Greetings; I'm attempting to get Gammu to read my Razor via USB data cable. The phone is mounted; I can see this by issuing 'lsusb | grep Motorola' which returns; Bus 001 Device 003: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS Triplet GSM Phone (AT) My question is how do I get Wammu to see it. I used the manual config wizard as well as the guided one to no avail. It seems it expects a device listing in the form of; '/dev/ttyS0' which isn't applicable it seems anymore. Hopefully there are some folks around that have some experience with this software and can help me. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gammu|Wammu with Motorola RZR V3
On Monday 11 January 2010 4:42:50 pm S. Fishpaste wrote: > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS Triplet GSM Phone (AT) I think that this device is listed under /dev/bus/usb/... MM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: filezilla alternative
On 2010-01-11 at 18:24:19 -0500, Vadkan Jozsef wrote: > Are there any good FTP programs that support SFTP, FTPS, FTP, SCP plus > doesn't store the password in plaintext like filezilla does? > > Thank you! It depends on what your requirements are. Are you specifically looking for a client with a GUI interface? I went looking for the best line-mode FTP client a couple of years ago, and the best one I could find was lftp. It is packaged for Debian, and is very good. It supports advanced features like simultaneous multi-tasking file transfers, many protocols, including FTPS, FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, and FISH. I'm not sure about SCP though. Of course, I was specifically *not* looking for a GUI client, since I was installing it on a serer without X support. If you specifically require a GUI "point and click, drop and drag" type interface, this will not meet your requirements. I don't know how it stores the password, either. For SCP you might want to look at putty-tools. But I've never used it. gftp-gtk looks like a possibility. It's GUI. But I've never used it either and I don't know its capabilities. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: filezilla alternative
How about secpanel or gftp? Stephen Powell wrote: On 2010-01-11 at 18:24:19 -0500, Vadkan Jozsef wrote: Are there any good FTP programs that support SFTP, FTPS, FTP, SCP plus doesn't store the password in plaintext like filezilla does? Thank you! It depends on what your requirements are. Are you specifically looking for a client with a GUI interface? I went looking for the best line-mode FTP client a couple of years ago, and the best one I could find was lftp. It is packaged for Debian, and is very good. It supports advanced features like simultaneous multi-tasking file transfers, many protocols, including FTPS, FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, and FISH. I'm not sure about SCP though. Of course, I was specifically *not* looking for a GUI client, since I was installing it on a serer without X support. If you specifically require a GUI "point and click, drop and drag" type interface, this will not meet your requirements. I don't know how it stores the password, either. For SCP you might want to look at putty-tools. But I've never used it. gftp-gtk looks like a possibility. It's GUI. But I've never used it either and I don't know its capabilities. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New testing install; no /boot/grub/menu.lst exists.
Tom H : > >> What is your 40... entry? > > > Generic chainloader +1 stuff: > > (1a) There is no (hd0,0) in grub2. sda = (hd0,1), etc Ah! This is a most informative/educational reply, thanks. I really am out of the loop I see. I'm beginning to understand what all the bleeding-edge noobs complain about. grub2 may be beta, but it's been there some time now, yes? I've a few leads to track down now: sed '%s/hda/sda/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst # or something update-grub # less /boot/grub/grub.cfg Fun. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gnome [Nautilus] debuggers: please reopen bug 358731
Frank McCormick : > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:57:26 -0500 (EST) > Stephen Powell wrote: > > > On 2010-01-09 at 16:40:22 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Does someone here have the proper permissions to reopen a Gnome > > > bug that was incorrectly marked as dupe? Thanks: > > > > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358731 > > > > This looks like an "upstream" bug report, as opposed to a Debian > > bug report. You'll need to contact the upstream maintainer, explain > > the circumstances, and request a reopen. > >How many developers does it take to fix a bug? Apparently > too many. Read through Bug 121113. > (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121113) > It was filed in 2003...7 years ago. The last comment is from November 2009!!! > I'm sure many of us noticed this inconsistency in the file selector a long > time > ago,,but it's still there. I've been running Linux for a long time. I'm pretty sure Linus would answer, "Show us your code!" If you've enough energy to complain, you've enough to help with the fix. Research, document, debug, lobby, ... I will go read the bug report now, honest, and thanks. I just had to mention this first. Ah, geez, I sooo despise Nautilus. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: nsswitch.conf/LDAP
> I have a problem with my NSS/LDAP setup. When I set > passwd: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > group: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > shadow: files > in /etc/nsswitch.conf and then enter 'id root' in the shell the NSS > tries to contact the LDAP server *although* root is contained in > /etc/passwd, /etc/group (and /etc/shadow) and can thus be > authenticated without inquiring the LDAP server. > So what I want is, to have users be authenticated via LDAP only when > they are *not* in the passwd/group files. How do I archieve this? How about getent passwd root and getent group root (by the way, "return" is the default for "success") -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New testing install; no /boot/grub/menu.lst exists.
What is your 40... entry? >>> Generic chainloader +1 stuff: >> (1a) There is no (hd0,0) in grub2. sda = (hd0,1), etc > Ah! This is a most informative/educational reply, thanks. You're welcome. > I've a few leads to track down now: > sed '%s/hda/sda/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst # or something > update-grub # less /boot/grub/grub.cfg I hope that you are sed-ing /etc/grub.d/40_custom to correct your OBSD entry :) Found out after some googling that update-grub does not (yet) recognize the BSDs hence your need for a 40_custom entry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mythtv 0.22 segfault
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 06:37:01PM -0500, Marty wrote: > With recent mythtv upgrade 0.22 I get a kernel message > "mythfrontend[8527]: segfault at 0 ip b4f0af13 sp a9168b48 > error 4 in libmpeg2.so.0.0.0[b4f05000+17000]" when I try to > play back any recording, on my mostly stock Lenny system. > (The main differences are upgraded radeonhd drivers, 1.2.5-1 > and kernel 2.6.31.5). > > Everything else in mythtv works, and since mpeg2 crashes I don't > think it's the QT4 upgrade issue. Anyone else have problems > with 0.22+fixes20100105? I don't see an update in the pipeline > but I'm not sure how or whether to escalate. Is that from http://www.debian-multimedia.org? If so, an email to the maintainer may help? -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: nsswitch.conf/LDAP
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:40:23AM +0100, Tom H wrote: > > I have a problem with my NSS/LDAP setup. When I set > > > passwd: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > > group: files [SUCCESS=return] ldap > > shadow: files my 2c, mine is setup the same way and seems to work > [snip] > -- "It's my honor to speak to you as the leader of your country. And the great thing about America is you don't have to listen unless you want to." - George W. Bush 07/10/2001 New York, NY speaking to recently sworn in immigrants on Ellis Island signature.asc Description: Digital signature
fglrx
Can someone recommend good reading on ATI drivers in testing. I don't think my card is supported any longer. ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) But I've not been finding the docs that will do anything other than confuse me if they exist. TIA! -- Kind Regards, Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM: > 4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL commands > for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am using requires > exclusive access to the hardware to process some GLX requests. This is my point. The Linux OpenGL architecture has been optimized for local hardware rendering. It's impossible to get "usable" remote OpenGL today, mainly because textures are such an integral component of 3D rendering today. Trying to push texture data over ethernet (even GigE) for real time rendering is not really doable. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Why aren't there time stamps in Xorg.log?
Good morning! This is a question which nags at me whenever I try to figure out why something doesn't work in X. dmesg timestamps entries so when I'm going through trying to figure out why something crashed or didn't work like I naively expected it to, I can focus on the log entries around the time the event occurred. Ideally, I'd prefer these entries to be stamped with Gregorian dates and times instead of seconds since boot but that's another topic. Xorg.log (~/.xsession-errors, too, for that matter) doesn't timestamp entries. Therefore, when X crashes because I tried to use RandR or my video doesn't work properly, I get all of this fascinating information about how cleverly X figured out my screen resolution and refresh rates, but I don't know when they were added to Xorg.log so I don't know whether they are relevant to my investigation. Since, according to Google, I'm the first to ask this question, I'm guessing I'm misunderstanding the purpose of Xorg.log and that time stamps are counterproductive. Could someone please explain why this is the way that it is? With thanks, Borden -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?
~ Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ... ~ Multiseat environments have been a great unexploited idea for a long time (what happened with cars in the 70's has been happening with computers since the 90's, but no paradigm shift has really happened since then) The only issues that I see with it are security and truly functional independent seats. Sure nowadays you can possibly hook up 24 seats to a commercial box with enough (like 6 or 8?) free pci slots and RAM, but say you have an Internet cafe at some airport/hotel; would the SSL protocol (based on the plain mac address) take into consideration that each person has an individual session going on? How safe would it be? How would you restrict your users environments regarding security? OK, for kiosks it would be great, but is this what we truly want? ~ Also say you have a home setup or a lab in which security illusions are less of an issue and using one of these 50 a 100 ft long VGA cables you have a "seat" in another room. How would she from her room use a USB external mini device with her data, if USB cables can not be that long (this is why the picture of the Linux mag article looks unbearably crowded ;-)) Extra large keyboard, sound and monitor cables are not that expensive (and if companies start mass marketting them they would surely become even less expensive) but USB cables/protocol have some physical impairments. That is why people using cameras and hidden places need all these "repeaters" and stuff ~ A possible solution to this problem (as I see it and I have tried a number of things (including those Roxio KM-13 keyboards with USB connectors in them) and read about/thought about such issues at length) would be to use one of those high-end monitors, which cables double with sound and USB connections, work as a truly functional USB hub (form which you could connect mouse, keyboard, pen, mini drives ...). A pen drive you may use, but they would not power up a mini drive which would be a drag to some semi-serious work, say students at college or designers editing their large images ~ If those and a number of other issues are addressed pertaining to the OS (virtualization, network and fs security ...), hardware, ACPI, SSL, user related issues like "presence" (users should be able "to sit any seat" and select the environment they prefer including OS and just carry their data in a pocket-size mini drive with them) ... as well as software related ones. Multiseat environments would be the next great thing, not only regarding the savings on hardware, but also on the utility bill ;-) … as well as it would naturally create new posibilities such as more efficient squid installations in schools seamless backups, ... ~ lbrtchx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Theming GTK tooltips
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:40:22 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Nate Bargmann [2010 Jan 11 17:27 -0600]: >> * Camaleón [2010 Jan 11 13:54 -0600]: >> > widget "gtk-tooltip*" style "tooltip" *** >> > >> > (note the last "asterisk", there must be only one) >> >> Thanks, Camaleó, that works just as I wanted it to > > I guess I wrote too soon. After restarting X I note that the original > packge picks up the custom tooltip colors just fine while any and all > Debian packaged GTK apps that I've tried still have the default black on > grey which is quite mystifying. It's almost as though they ignore > ~.gtkrc-2.0 > > Strange as this persists even after logging out and restarting X. Hum... maybe the package is not looking into "~/.gtkrc-2.0" and only reads the global file of the current GTK style :-? Tip: you can try to tweak "Raleigh" theme and change only the tooltip style and see if that also works in the program. I think it is located under "/usr/share/themes/Raleigh/gtk-2.0/gtkrc". Make a backup copy of the original GTK theme before tweaking anything. Tip 2: if that also does not work, try by using another theme. It seems Raleigh is a bit simple and does not make use of an "engine" so you can't tweak so much here. In fact, the "gtkrc" file of that theme just says: # # This theme is the default theme if no other theme is selected. # No more, no less :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Gammu|Wammu with Motorola RZR V3
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:42:50 -0500, S. Fishpaste wrote: > I'm attempting to get Gammu to read my Razor via USB data cable. The > phone is mounted; I can see this by issuing 'lsusb | grep Motorola' > which returns; > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 22b8:4902 Motorola PCS Triplet GSM Phone (AT) > > My question is how do I get Wammu to see it. I used the manual config > wizard as well as the guided one to no avail. It seems it expects a > device listing in the form of; '/dev/ttyS0' which isn't applicable it > seems anymore. > > Hopefully there are some folks around that have some experience with > this software and can help me. I tested it once with my Motorola K1 and that time was detected under "/ dev/ttyACM0". The phone can be configured to act (to be detected) as "usb flash drive" or "data connection" (modem). To use it with wammu it has to be configured as the latter. Just plug the phone into usb port and type "dmesg" in a terminal (gnom- terminal, xterm...) to see what is going on. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?
On 1/12/2010 1:14 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: ~ Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ... ~ Also say you have a home setup or a lab in which security illusions are less of an issue and using one of these 50 a 100 ft long VGA cables you have a "seat" in another room. How would she from her room use a USB external mini device with her data, if USB cables can not be that long (this is why the picture of the Linux mag article looks unbearably crowded ;-)) Extra large keyboard, sound and monitor cables are not that expensive (and if companies start mass marketting them they would surely become even less expensive) but USB cables/protocol have some physical impairments. That is why people using cameras and hidden places need all these "repeaters" and stuff There is such a thing as a repeater cable. Nine bucks from Newegg gets you sixteen more feet. Multiple cables can be chained. (However your point is well taken, at least by me. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
