install package from source
Dear All, I would like to know what are packages requires to be able compile and install package from source in Debian5 (Lenny) ? If in CentOS5 I would only need to install these tools #yum groupinstall "Development Tolls" " "Development Libraries". Thank you for your kindly help and advices. -- Best Regards, YOUK Sokvantha Tell: (855) 89896589 email: sokvan...@gmail.com
Re: install package from source
Sokvantha YOUK wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to know what are packages requires to be able compile and > install package from source in Debian5 (Lenny) ? If in CentOS5 I would only > need to install these tools #yum groupinstall "Development Tolls" " > "Development Libraries". > > Thank you for your kindly help and advices. > > apt-get install build-essential have fun -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
What does the auto parameter ?
Hello What is exactly the purpose of the "auto" statement in /etc/network/interfaces file ? Eg : auto lo eth0 thank you -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto recover deleted files/folders without comercial apps?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Israel Garcia wrote: > Which is the easiest way to recover deleted files/folders using ONLY > commands from Debian OS? The best and easiest way is to use your backup tool to recover the data from the last backup. There are various backup methods available in debian with different commands. It depends on your needs which will suit you best. In case you don't have good, reliable and working backups, I'd strongly recommend you to put simple and reliable backup procedures in place in order to avoid or at least limit such problems for the future. Best wishes, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrYJEgACgkQC1NzPRl9qEX/GwCeMg44p4q4BsMI4z41r3GdFzvp CX4AmwQbTHTlSYEk79crMgjwrtmmk3Km =skyW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
On Friday 16 October 2009 01:33:17 Tim Clewlow wrote: > It sounds like your system is not using the xsession method of > managing an X session, which means it is using the native xinit > method. That's ok, and just as easy to work with. First check if you > have a file called .xinitrc in your home directory, if it exists, > rename it to .xinitrc.sav to move it out the way for a bit (so you > can always rename it back later if you want) with: > > mv ~/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc.sav > > Now create a brand new .xinitrc file in your home directory, it will > be exactly the same as the .xsession file you made earlier, so if > you still have the .xsession file just do: > > cp ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc > > Or if you need to create, or want to check, the new .xinitrc file > then it should contain: > > #!/bin/sh > xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & > icewm & > idesk & > while [ 1 ] ; do > sleep 1000d > done > > As long as no-one has modified the X startup scripts (which is very > unlikely for most systems), this should work, well, hopefully :-) I did this almost immediately on getting up. (We obviously live in different time zones!) I copied as you advised, then kept my xsession but renamed it. Then restarted. Everything appeared to be exactly the same. I have (mea culpa) failed to report an error message that I get when I start a terminal. This has happened throughout the saga so consistently that I no longer register it. Here - belatedly :-( - it is: l...@dunhurst:~$ Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. It does not go back to the $ sign, but is immediately usable normally. And here are excerpts from the global X files: xinit in its entirety: #!/bin/bash # $Xorg: xinitrc.cpp,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:30 cpqbld Exp $ # /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc # # global xinitrc file, used by all X sessions started by xinit (startx) # invoke global X session script . /etc/X11/Xsession an excerpt from Xsession (what I hope is the relevant bit - the whole file is very long): # initialize variables for use by all session scripts OPTIONFILE=/etc/X11/Xsession.options SYSRESOURCES=/etc/X11/Xresources USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources SYSSESSIONDIR=/etc/X11/Xsession.d USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession ERRFILE=$HOME/.xsession-errors xsession was not in fact there - I had to create it. > Also, I think there is a better way to start X than using a bashrc > file I am convinced of that! But Googling automatic startup found me that. > - but we'll get to that later, first we need to get X starting > up the way you want it. It is extremely kind of you to stick with me, and I am very grateful. I know I am labouring this. This is my first attempt to move away from DEs, and I am really keen to do it, but as you can see am pretty hopeless at it. At the moment I am still basically working on my test rig. And this started as a fresh installation of Debian Lenny. I am wondering whether it might be an idea to reinstall in case my previous frantic efforts messed something up. Cheers Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does the auto parameter ?
On 2009-10-16 09:32 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > What is exactly the purpose of the "auto" statement in > /etc/network/interfaces file ? Read interfaces(5) to find out. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-xen-686: No such file or directory
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM, vitaminx wrote: > > Hi, > > > could you please give the output of these commands: > > ls -l /lib/modules > ls -l /boot > > Thanks for the response vitaminix :-) ls -l /lib/modules total 12 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-10-15 14:46 2.6.26-1-xen-686 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-10-14 16:09 2.6.26-2-686 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2009-10-15 14:38 2.6.26-2-xen-686 # ls -l /boot total 18352 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86119 2009-03-14 04:17 config-2.6.26-1-xen-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 91690 2009-08-19 15:19 config-2.6.26-2-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86169 2009-08-19 15:28 config-2.6.26-2-xen-686 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root4096 2009-10-15 13:42 grub -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6186990 2009-10-14 16:10 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6143330 2009-10-15 12:14 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 906284 2009-03-14 04:17 System.map-2.6.26-1-xen-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 928010 2009-08-19 15:19 System.map-2.6.26-2-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 906178 2009-08-19 15:28 System.map-2.6.26-2-xen-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1506032 2009-08-19 15:18 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1485332 2009-08-19 15:28 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-686 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 376094 2008-06-28 20:58 xen-3.2-1-i386.gz --Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
Michael Biebl wrote: Mitchell Laks wrote: Hi, I recently did a sid dist-upgrade, and could no longer boot using linux-image-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem kernel and had to boot off an old 2.6.26 kernel. .. This is a problem. I guess the real problem is, that you should be more careful when doing dist-upgrades about which packages are removed. Or better use a simple upgrade which does not remove packages automatically. So could I ask what the correct answer actually is? What combination of packages do we need to maintain an unbroken operating system which depends on both lvm2 and gnome? As it happens, I thought that aptitude's recent recommendations looked like a can of worms, so every day I just hit 'q' and it sneers at me. But that was just a guess. Like most sid users, I'm not a Debian Developer or any other kind of systems programmer. I don't know enough to follow the arguments in the bug listings. I use sid largely to try to contribute a little to Debian by way of bug reports, rather than because of a need for the latest software versions. You need a much larger group of testers than just the Developers, but there's a limit to what the rest of us can handle. I do use this system, and I wouldn't consider using experimental. Having used sid for about five years, and fixed all the breakages up till now, I've needed to reinstall lenny and work back up to nearly-sid twice in the last month because I don't have the necessary knowledge to fix the kind of things that are breaking now. It seems to me that sid has churned enormously in the last few months, tens of megabytes every day, and we are seeing problems that should have been fixed in experimental before pushing them out to sid. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does the auto parameter ?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 09:32:17AM +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > What is exactly the purpose of the "auto" statement in > /etc/network/interfaces file ? Interfaces in auto stanzas are automatically brought up at boot time. See "man interfaces" for more info. -- "Oh, look: rocks!" -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto recover deleted files/folders without comercial apps?
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Israel Garcia wrote: > > Which is the easiest way to recover deleted files/folders using ONLY > > commands from Debian OS? > > The best and easiest way is to use your backup tool to recover the data > from the last backup. There are various backup methods available in > debian with different commands. It depends on your needs which will suit > you best. > > In case you don't have good, reliable and working backups, I'd strongly > recommend you to put simple and reliable backup procedures in place in > order to avoid or at least limit such problems for the future. > > Best wishes, > Johannes If I were you , I would write a simple wrapper for rm. Here is what I would do. if rm or rm -r is encountered, create a local dir somewhere call it 'Mytrash' then mv the files over there.. instead of from the machine... Then run a cron perhaps every month to actually remove it . PS: Im assuming that your talking about accidentally removed files... If not then I sorry . -- Regards, Shampavman c.g http://shampavman.wordpress.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Computer overheating
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 06:47:56AM +, marc wrote: > Probably the Nvida; at least, its driver. I have a similar problem on > my laptop. I have to be careful with flash and playing some videos You might try the latest nvidia driver, and see if that helps. For example: sudo m-a update; sudo m-a prepare; sudo m-a auto-install nvidia You might also consider adding: Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "True" to the "Device" section of your xorg.conf, which I understand is supposed to lower CPU usage. Also, running: nvidia-settings -a synctovblank=1 may reduce CPU usage at the cost of dropping the frame-rate to your monitor's refresh rate. -- "Oh, look: rocks!" -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: php cgi
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:42:41AM +0530, Didar Hossain wrote: > *There is something called `webmin' though I would not recommend it to > most people. It is a Perl application. I don't really like webmin, and a lot of the modules (especially the ssh module) seem out of date, but it seems like the closest match the what the OP seems to be after. -- "Oh, look: rocks!" -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto recover deleted files/folders without comercial apps?
shampavman skrev: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Israel Garcia wrote: Which is the easiest way to recover deleted files/folders using ONLY commands from Debian OS? The best and easiest way is to use your backup tool to recover the data from the last backup. There are various backup methods available in debian with different commands. It depends on your needs which will suit you best. In case you don't have good, reliable and working backups, I'd strongly recommend you to put simple and reliable backup procedures in place in order to avoid or at least limit such problems for the future. Best wishes, Johannes If I were you , I would write a simple wrapper for rm. Here is what I would do. if rm or rm -r is encountered, create a local dir somewhere call it 'Mytrash' then mv the files over there.. instead of from the machine... Then run a cron perhaps every month to actually remove it . PS: Im assuming that your talking about accidentally removed files... If not then I sorry . I've seen lots of places using an alias for rm called 'del', with a corresponding 'undel'. Check your system default .bashrc, it might already be available on your system by just removing a '#' character. Also check your standard package-search-mechanism for stuff to do with bash. Most likely these aliases already exist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: php cgi
2009/10/11 Tzafrir Cohen > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 01:36:43PM +0800, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > > I want to know how to set up a debian server capable of running php cgi > > script and how to create and run cgi script. Where can I find articles on > > that? > > I had search for a few hours but still could not find a good one. > > Any package that provides httpd-cgi will do the trick. Install the > package php5-cgi, and you're basically done. Just use CGI scripts with > the headers: > > #!/usr/bin/php > > (Not sure what extra switch is needed, if at all. Too lazy to search > right now). > > However, why do you want to use PHP as CGI and not as a more efficient > option? > Any suggestion would be fine. If there is a better one, please share it with me since I'm a bit clueless on this matter. What I'm trying to achieve is like this: I browse on iceweasel to server 192.168.56.10. There I will be brought to a web interface showing informations of that server such as kernel version, network interface and such. Not only that, I could change its interface setting such as IP address, netmask and gateway. I hope that will clear things up a bit. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is > http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's > tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best > ICQ# 16849754 || friend > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > > -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://gameornot.net
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
> On Friday 16 October 2009 01:33:17 Tim Clewlow wrote: >> It sounds like your system is not using the xsession method of >> managing an X session, which means it is using the native xinit method. That's ok, and just as easy to work with. First check if you >> have a file called .xinitrc in your home directory, if it exists, rename it to .xinitrc.sav to move it out the way for a bit (so you >> can always rename it back later if you want) with: >> mv ~/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc.sav >> Now create a brand new .xinitrc file in your home directory, it will >> be exactly the same as the .xsession file you made earlier, so if you still have the .xsession file just do: >> cp ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc >> Or if you need to create, or want to check, the new .xinitrc file then it should contain: >> #!/bin/sh >> xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & >> icewm & >> idesk & >> while [ 1 ] ; do >> sleep 1000d >> done >> As long as no-one has modified the X startup scripts (which is >> very >> unlikely for most systems), this should work, well, hopefully :-) > I did this almost immediately on getting up. (We obviously live in > different > time zones!) > I copied as you advised, then kept my xsession but renamed it. > Then restarted. Everything appeared to be exactly the same. > I have (mea culpa) failed to report an error message that I get when > I start a > terminal. This has happened throughout the saga so consistently that I no > longer register it. > Here - belatedly :-( - it is: > l...@dunhurst:~$ > Fatal server error: > Server is already active for display 0 > If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. > It does not go back to the $ sign, but is immediately usable > normally. lol - that error makes quite a difference. It means pretty much what it says, ie X is already running, or, the combination of config files means the system ends up trying to start X twice. I think the first thing to do is to comment out the 'startx' line in the ~/.bash_profile file and then restart the computer. Hopefully this will mean X does not start, ie it is not being started by a command in some other config file. If this is the case, then log in and manually start it by typing 'startx'. It should then read the xsession/xinitrc files and start up with icewm and idesk. If after commenting out 'startx' from the .bash_profile file and rebooting, X still startx, then we need to look at a whole bunch of possible files to see where it is being started from. Try the first option and we'll see if that works. Oh, and in case your wondering, I'm more than happy to do through this with you, I've only moved to Debian recently from another *nix so I'm happy to have this as a learning exercise for myself too. :-) Cheers, Tim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Setting Default Group Permissions In Folders
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 05:47:40PM -0500, Austin Brkich wrote: > group www-user however I am unable to automatically set the > permissions to 664 and there defaulting to 644. I know this is do to If you don't want to adjust the default umask or change the file modes directly, you'll have to set file ACLs giving everyone user rights to the file(s) A simpler way to deal with this is just to write a cron job that changes the mode for you, like so: find /path/to/files -type f | xargs chmod 664 Have fun! -- "Oh, look: rocks!" -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto recover deleted files/folders without comercial apps?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > shampavman skrev: >> If I were you , I would write a simple wrapper for rm. >> Here is what I would do. >> if rm or rm -r is encountered, create a local dir somewhere call it >> 'Mytrash' then mv the files over there.. instead of from the machine... >> Then run a cron perhaps every month to actually remove it . >> >> PS: Im assuming that your talking about accidentally removed files... If >> not then I sorry . >> > I've seen lots of places using an alias for rm called 'del', with a > corresponding 'undel'. Check your system default .bashrc, it might > already be available on your system by just removing a '#' character. > Also check your standard package-search-mechanism for stuff to do with > bash. Most likely these aliases already exist. Just my humble opinion: I don't like the concept of having some 'layer' between the user and the rm command. It just adds complexity: remember to empty the wastebin, remember where to copy the files from the wastebin in case it is lost. Either adjust the backup script to ignore all wastebin files or have files multiply backed up... And it prevents the learning curve of thinking before issuing dangerous commands... Everyone makes mistakes now and then, but people should learn what 'rm' means (and options like -rf and shell expansions like *). For disasters there are backups. They should work simple and often and will help with other mishaps as well [1], not just erroneous typing... Just my 2ct, everyone is free to adapt a concept that suits her/him best, of course! Johannes [1] like hardware failure, software bugs, security incidents, plus many more kinds of accidents... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrYOaQACgkQC1NzPRl9qEUbkACeImSt3iuexfWHvRPvGFDMjQ6U GmMAn3OGNj79Q7ZTTZg04WN2nj+Nms/g =iaxu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
My hardware is Presario CQ40-115AU It have AMD Turion X2 processor, 4 GiB RAM (2 X 2 GiB) Since 32 bit Debian have more packages I'm thinking of going back to 32-bit with bigmem kernel. The questions are: Does running 64-bit debian will boost the performance compared to 32-bit on my machine? Will it hinder (using bigmem kernel) my work which mostly related to virtualization using virtualbox? Any other pros and cons? -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://gameornot.net
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
>From what i've heard you'll only notice a significant difference if you're performing lots of calculations (i'll leave the definition of that to you). I've been using amd64 without any major issues (sid) for quite a while now, if you have an x64 processor, go for it. Btw there's an amd64 list too. HTH Nuno Magalhães -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OpenSSHD Server
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:29:29PM -0400, Roman Gelfand wrote: > Everytime I am connecting to my server via ssh, memory utilizaiton > appears to be increasing. Is there memory leak issues with sshd or, > perhaps, there is a maintenance that needs to be performed? or just Concurrent connections will fork processes, thereby increasing system memory usage. If your connections aren't concurrent, make sure you're reaping stale sessions. Make sure you have something like: TCPKeepAlive yes ClientAliveInterval 15 ClientAliveCountMax 3 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or sshd may not notice that sessions have died, and keep them around indefinitely. Also, "memory usage" in general isn't always what you think it is. A lot of times, the Linux kernel is simply adjusting free memory to cache files or buffer data, so looking at those statistics isn't useful. Check the RSS size of the process with: ps -FC sshd Lots of things may affect the SZ and RSS of the sshd children. On some of my boxes, I've seen SZ as high as 16MB per process, while on other boxes it's as low as 1.3MB, but I rarely see RSS higher than about 3MB. Unless you are actually running out of memory, or can provide some process statistics to show what the problem is, I wouldn't worry about it. -- "Oh, look: rocks!" -- Doctor Who, "Destiny of the Daleks" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
How to replicate the behaviour of /usr/local
Howdie, fellow Debianites! I have a shared directory on my system; what I'd like to achieve is making every newly created (or copied from elsewhere) file belong to the group owner "users". In short, I have been trying to replicate the behaviour of the /usr/local directory. Let me explain: if I copy a file (any file from anywhere) with Nautilus or Gnome-Commander to /usr/local, the original file owner group gets changed to "staff" automagically. I'm trying to make my /home/shared dir behave the same way. I've tried playing with chmod and chown, I've even cloned the directory permissions (with 'chmod --reference=/usr/local') to my / home/shared directory, but that didn't help. Is this behaviour implemented via file permissions at all, or via some system-wide setting or what? TIA -- Certifiable Loonix User #481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
On Friday 16 October 2009 11:10:04 Tim Clewlow wrote: > lol - that error makes quite a difference. It means pretty much what > it says, ie X is already running, or, the combination of config > files means the system ends up trying to start X twice. Yes, I am very sorry. I know that it is essential to say everything that remotely might be relevant. I am very contrite. > I think the first thing to do is to comment out the 'startx' line in > the ~/.bash_profile file and then restart the computer. Hopefully > this will mean X does not start, ie it is not being started by a > command in some other config file. If this is the case, then log in > and manually start it by typing 'startx'. It should then read the > xsession/xinitrc files and start up with icewm and idesk. > > If after commenting out 'startx' from the .bash_profile file and > rebooting, X still startx, then we need to look at a whole bunch of > possible files to see where it is being started from. Try the first > option and we'll see if that works. As you predicted, startx at the command line prompt started IceWM. But iDesk was not running properly and there was no visible desktop background. Also the mouse did not work as it should. (E.g. right click on the desktop, which ought to have brought up a menu did nothing.) The panel was there and functioning, so I clicked on menu and started from there. I opened a terminal, and no ominous error message, but also no Idesk and no icons - they had disappeared. So I started idesk from the command line and it is now running, apparently correctly, and continued to run after I closed the terminal even tho' I had forgotten the & at the end. But there is still this grey greying out grid over everything instead of a desktop with icons that are not covered by a grid of any kind! And if I use .bash_profile to start X and then start idesk from a terminal I get a fully functional system with a proper desktop. It is the trying to start idesk automatically that seems to cause the problem. :-( Thanks again, Cheers Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to replicate the behaviour of /usr/local
Klistvud writes: >I have a shared directory on my system; what I'd like to achieve is >making every newly created (or copied from elsewhere) file belong to >the group owner "users". # chgrp users /path/to/shared/directory # chmod g+s /path/to/shared/directory The set-group-id bit on a directory causes all files created in that directory to take the group id of the directory. Any directories created in that directory also take the group id of the parent directory and automatically have the set-group-id bit set on that directory. This causes the group id to propogate down the hierarchy as new directories are created. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to replicate the behaviour of /usr/local
Dne, 16. 10. 2009 12:19:03 je Cameron Hutchison napisal(a): > Klistvud writes: > > >I have a shared directory on my system; what I'd like to achieve is > >making every newly created (or copied from elsewhere) file belong to > >the group owner "users". > > # chgrp users /path/to/shared/directory > # chmod g+s /path/to/shared/directory > > The set-group-id bit on a directory causes all files created in that > directory to take the group id of the directory. Any directories > created > in that directory also take the group id of the parent directory and > automatically have the set-group-id bit set on that directory. This > causes the group id to propogate down the hierarchy as new > directories > are created. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > > > Thanx. Your solution, though, only works for newly created files. Files *copied to* my shared dir from elsewhere still retain their original group ownership(s)... That never happens in usr/local. -- Certifiable Loonix User #481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
> On Friday 16 October 2009 11:10:04 Tim Clewlow wrote: >> lol - that error makes quite a difference. It means pretty much what >> it says, ie X is already running, or, the combination of config files means the system ends up trying to start X twice. > Yes, I am very sorry. I know that it is essential to say everything > that > remotely might be relevant. I am very contrite. >> I think the first thing to do is to comment out the 'startx' line in >> the ~/.bash_profile file and then restart the computer. Hopefully this will mean X does not start, ie it is not being started by a command in some other config file. If this is the case, then log in >> and manually start it by typing 'startx'. It should then read the xsession/xinitrc files and start up with icewm and idesk. >> If after commenting out 'startx' from the .bash_profile file and rebooting, X still startx, then we need to look at a whole bunch of >> possible files to see where it is being started from. Try the >> first >> option and we'll see if that works. > As you predicted, startx at the command line prompt started IceWM. > But iDesk > was not running properly and there was no visible desktop > background. Also > the mouse did not work as it should. (E.g. right click on the > desktop, which > ought to have brought up a menu did nothing.) The panel was there and > functioning, so I clicked on menu and started from there. I opened > a > terminal, and no ominous error message, but also no Idesk and no icons - they > had disappeared. So I started idesk from the command line and it is > now > running, apparently correctly, and continued to run after I closed the > terminal even tho' I had forgotten the & at the end. > But there is still this grey greying out grid over everything > instead of a > desktop with icons that are not covered by a grid of any kind! And > if I > use .bash_profile to start X and then start idesk from a terminal I > get a > fully functional system with a proper desktop. It is the trying to > start > idesk automatically that seems to cause the problem. :-( > Thanks again, > Cheers > Lisi Ok, make sure you have a directory called .idesktop, ie create it with: mkdir ~/.idesktop and then kill X and then start is again 'startx' - I'm hoping this means you now have an idesk icon. Will fix the background and mouse after this. Cheers, Tim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: > My hardware is Presario CQ40-115AU > It have AMD Turion X2 processor, 4 GiB RAM (2 X 2 GiB) > > Since 32 bit Debian have more packages I'm thinking of going back to 32-bit > with bigmem kernel. The questions are: > > Does running 64-bit debian will boost the performance compared to 32-bit on > my machine? > > Will it hinder (using bigmem kernel) my work which mostly related to > virtualization using virtualbox? > > Any other pros and cons? I would go for a 32 bit Debian system with a 64-bit kernel. (I have sometimes problems with certain `flashy' web sites or digitally restricted pdfs on my amd64 system). This way you are running a 64-bit system with a 32-bit userland. Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrYW/EACgkQC1NzPRl9qEXOhQCcCC/zg+SmLhHBmwfDEEFplB6J MiYAn1ogAhsn1vekGhP218M8bo6zlG81 =yaQm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
Ok, I found out that there is an error in the .xsession file, the correct version is below, note the line 'icewm &' has now become 'icewm-session &' - this should bring back the correct background and hopefully the mouse will behave noremally again :-) #!/bin/sh xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & icewm-session & idesk & while [ 1 ] ; do sleep 1000d done -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
On Friday 16 October 2009 13:06:42 Tim Clewlow wrote: > > But there is still this grey greying out grid over everything > > instead of a > > desktop with icons that are not covered by a grid of any kind! > And > > if I > > use .bash_profile to start X and then start idesk from a terminal > I > > get a > > fully functional system with a proper desktop. It is the trying > to > > start > > idesk automatically that seems to cause the problem. :-( > > Thanks again, > Ok, make sure you have a directory called .idesktop, ie create it > with: > > mkdir ~/.idesktop I already have this directory - the instructions I followed initially said to create the directory and copy the config files there, which I have done. I have also tried to solve the desktop problem by altering the background, but to no avail. > and then kill X and then start is again > 'startx' - I'm hoping this means you now have an idesk icon. Will > fix the background and mouse after this. So I just restarted X again, and although I have literally not touched the computer since that last time when it failed, it started up with a functional desktop but covered with this grid. So I restarted X a few more times and it seems to have reached that situation fairly stably. I also tried a reboot - it booted to the command line, I entered startx, and the system started fine - just with this grey grid over everything. As I say, it is starting idesk automatically that seems to cause the problem. Cheers Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
On 2009-10-16 13:41 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: >> My hardware is Presario CQ40-115AU >> It have AMD Turion X2 processor, 4 GiB RAM (2 X 2 GiB) >> >> Since 32 bit Debian have more packages I'm thinking of going back to 32-bit >> with bigmem kernel. The questions are: >> >> Does running 64-bit debian will boost the performance compared to 32-bit on >> my machine? >> >> Will it hinder (using bigmem kernel) my work which mostly related to >> virtualization using virtualbox? >> >> Any other pros and cons? > > I would go for a 32 bit Debian system with a 64-bit kernel. (I have > sometimes problems with certain `flashy' web sites or digitally > restricted pdfs on my amd64 system). > > This way you are running a 64-bit system with a 32-bit userland. Note that this combination will not work with virtualbox (#456391¹), so that it becomes necessary to set up an amd64 chroot for virtualbox. Sven ¹ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=456391 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
On Friday 16 October 2009 13:42:25 Tim Clewlow wrote: > Ok, I found out that there is an error in the .xsession file, the > correct version is below, note the line 'icewm &' has now become > 'icewm-session &' - this should bring back the correct background > and hopefully the mouse will behave noremally again :-) > > #!/bin/sh > xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & > icewm-session & > idesk & > while [ 1 ] ; do > sleep 1000d > done Our emails crossed! I have both IceWM _and_ idesk running correctly. \0/ Just out of interest, and because it would obviously be easy to reverse, I uncommented startx in .bash_profile. I then rebooted. And I have a fully operational system, but for that error message, so something is still not right - but hey, the presenting problem has been solved. So if you want to breathe a sigh of relief and bring the shutters down, I shall still be greatly indebted to you. But if you have the stamina, and enough of the will to live, I would love to sort it out properly. Many thanks, cheers, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What does the auto parameter ?
* Todd A. Jacobs [2009 Oct 16 03:25 -0500]: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 09:32:17AM +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > > What is exactly the purpose of the "auto" statement in > > /etc/network/interfaces file ? > > Interfaces in auto stanzas are automatically brought up at boot time. OTOH, if using WiCD or NetworkManager to manage wireless and wired connections, then the only interface that should be specified is 'lo' as the manager will take care of the others as needed. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > So far the responses that I have gotten comfirm without a doubt that > what I was told by the sales person in Best Buy is not at all the > whole story. There is *a lot* more to the solution than just buying an > adapter cable. Mention of Burr Brown 24bit ladder DACs brought back memories > of technical problems that simply have no solution via software alone. > It's definitely not the whole story, but it's a good starting point. The cables are pretty cheap (less than $20 in the US) and it'll get you started. It would probably be beneficial for you to put together a cheap test system to see how you like it, before you spend big bucks on better hardware. It'll also give you time to experiment with different music players on your computer to see which you like best. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
This thread *has* to stop! =( Every time someone replys to this thread, God kills a kitty. It's true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: syslog entries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:23:01 +0200 Tom H wrote: > > I noticed this today - my syslog is filling up with repeated > > calls to my internet provider...even though I am obviously connected. > > Is this caused by some mis-configuration ? > > > > This is the sort of thing I mean: > > Oct 14 19:02:21 squeeze dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 > > port 67 Oct 14 19:02:34 squeeze dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to > > I have had a similar problem in the past when running "dhclient eth0" > but I did not get a lease so I am not sure that it was the same > problem since you do not report that. I disabled avahi-daemon and the > problem disappeared. Apparently I do get a lease, which mystifies me as dhclient doesn't seem to recognize it. The system operates normally, so the problem is really strange. It also doesn't seem to happen regularly. - -- Frank -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJK2GtMAAoJEMEDyLTvrVhjrc4H/0MbRG13FbFtmDh59t/ugP+I LFzcfo7BZfK46xgprabtCUkiUcUQwwYxOI+DVM1GsSnOhCSHZ5dBHxztWdbOVNlY CFQ8G0tepaxt1GKPP+8INdEE5GdZRZqEr0Benuyu6jlNxoXA08LO+hH7/gW9p1Ys jUBbv1TWCaYTQwhCDCtjqrL6M+XWEW6sR38umS1L0LzjAGRjdrjKulwkeXkj8FT4 JFQJ7wHAlQZZgp8PjRZa2QHgP32zdSBgSabTr0k8JErgcMqTigubajqs/RPDZBWn A9CthE3Jg3Y1GG/n0NLb9qF3+nnAeEwB28dUV7NFKZixzYkZK8K/XMV30648VcQ= =51W9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:33:17AM +1100, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 October 2009 00:34:57 Tim Clewlow wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 13 October 2009 10:43:21 Tim Clewlow wrote: > >> >> You can rearrange the order in which things are started in > your > >> >> .xsession file, ie you dont have to start the window manager > >> last. > >> > [snip] > >> >> Basically, when the script finishes, X will close - so dont > let > >> >> the > >> >> script finish - thats what the long sleeping loop at the end > is > >> >> for. > >> >> I'm guessing your .xsession should look something like: > >> >> #!/bin/sh > >> >> xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & > >> >> icewm & > >> >> sleep 1 > >> >> & > >> >> idesk & > >> >> while [ 1 ] ; do > >> >> sleep 1000d > >> >> done > >> >> The line 'sleep 1' is intended to be a little delay to give > >> icewm > >> >> time to start up before attempting to run idesk. It may not > >> >> actually > >> >> be necessary, or it may be too small a delay, it all depends > on > >> >> how > >> >> idesk determines if icewm is running, ie it may look for a > lock > >> >> file > >> >> created really quickly by icewm, or it may look for a process > >> that > >> >> may take some time to appear. > > [snip] > >> > I am beginning to think that either it is simply not doable, or > >> it > >> > is doable - > >> > but not by me. :-( > >> I installed icewm and idesk, created a directory ~/.idesktop and > then started X with .xsession containing the following: > >> #!/bin/sh > >> xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & > >> icewm & > >> idesk & > >> while [ 1 ] ; do > >> sleep 1000d > >> done > >> Idesk seems to start up fine, ie I had icewm running and an icon at > >> the top left that looks kind of like a house with the text > 'Idesk' > >> written underneath. > > Thank you very much for trying this out. > > Yes - if you have not created any other icons, that is what you > > should see. > > I, however, still don't. :-( There is obviously something else > > either running > > or not running as it ought to do. > > Before trying this one, I did "rm .bash_profile" so that that > would > > not be > > muddying the waters. I then did exactly as you had done. X > failed > > to start. > > So I added startx to your script. Not surprisingly, that made no > difference. > > So I recreated .bash_profile and put startx in it. > > That gave me a functional system - but no desktop. Just a nasty > hashed > > greying out grid. Etc. I have spent quite some time googling, > and > > trying > > things out on my test system, including via the configuration > files. > > We know > > that this works for you, and that it works for me if I start idesk > manually. > > About the only thing I can think of to try is starting X > > differently. But > > how? > > You have done so much already, but I would be very grateful if you > could tell > > me how you start X on your system. > > Lisi > > It sounds like your system is not using the xsession method of > managing an X session, which means it is using the native xinit > method. Is it? Let's look at /etc/X11/Xsession $ grep HOME /etc/X11/Xsession USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession ERRFILE=$HOME/.xsession-errors $ grep USERXSESSION /etc/X11/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* /etc/X11/Xsession:USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession /etc/X11/Xsession:USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc /etc/X11/Xsession:ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40x11-common_xsessionrc:if [ -r "$USERXSESSIONRC" ]; then /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40x11-common_xsessionrc: . "$USERXSESSIONRC" /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup:for STARTUPFILE in "$USERXSESSION" "$ALTUSERXSESSION"; do /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup:ERRMSG="$ERRMSG no \"$USERXSESSION\" file, no \"$ALTUSERXSESSION\" file," > That's ok, and just as easy to work with. First check if you > have a file called .xinitrc in your home directory, if it exists, > rename it to .xinitrc.sav to move it out the way for a bit (so you > can always rename it back later if you want) with: > > mv ~/.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc.sav > > Now create a brand new .xinitrc file in your home directory, it will > be exactly the same as the .xsession file you made earlier, so if > you still have the .xsession file just do: > > cp ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc > > Or if you need to create, or want to check, the new .xinitrc file > then it should contain: > > #!/bin/sh > xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & > icewm & > idesk & > while [ 1 ] ; do > sleep 1000d > done And if the session lasts longer? Seriously, though, why not use the standard: idesk & icewm ? > > As long as no-one has modified the X startup scripts (which is very > unlikely for most systems), this should work, well, hopefully :-) > > Also, I think there is a better way to start X than using a bashrc > file - but we'll get to that later, Right. Start a new X session for each new console login. For eac
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
> On Friday 16 October 2009 13:42:25 Tim Clewlow wrote: >> Ok, I found out that there is an error in the .xsession file, the >> correct version is below, note the line 'icewm &' has now become >> 'icewm-session &' - this should bring back the correct background >> and hopefully the mouse will behave noremally again :-) >> >> #!/bin/sh >> xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & >> icewm-session & >> idesk & >> while [ 1 ] ; do >> sleep 1000d >> done > > Our emails crossed! > > I have both IceWM _and_ idesk running correctly. \0/ > > Just out of interest, and because it would obviously be easy to > reverse, I > uncommented startx in .bash_profile. I then rebooted. > > And I have a fully operational system, but for that error message, > so > something is still not right - but hey, the presenting problem has > been > solved. So if you want to breathe a sigh of relief and bring the > shutters > down, I shall still be greatly indebted to you. > > But if you have the stamina, and enough of the will to live, I would > love to > sort it out properly. > > Many thanks, > cheers, > Lisi > > Might as well make it perfect :-) If you want X to start up automatically at boot, comment out the startx command in the bash.profile file, and install xdm. As root do: apt-get install xdm Now reboot - you should have a nice graphical user / pass thing to play with. If you want to get rid of the graphical login, then in a shell terminal also as root do: update-rc.d -f xdm remove If you change your mind and want to get it back again later do (as root): update-rc.d -f xdm defaults Hopefully this will get the system to behave how you want. Cheers, Tim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: starting Idesk automatically in IceWM on Lenny
> Is it? > Let's look at /etc/X11/Xsession > $ grep HOME /etc/X11/Xsession > USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources > USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession > USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc > ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession > ERRFILE=$HOME/.xsession-errors > $ grep USERXSESSION /etc/X11/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* > /etc/X11/Xsession:USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession > /etc/X11/Xsession:USERXSESSIONRC=$HOME/.xsessionrc > /etc/X11/Xsession:ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40x11-common_xsessionrc:if [ -r > "$USERXSESSIONRC" ]; then > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40x11-common_xsessionrc: . "$USERXSESSIONRC" /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup:for > STARTUPFILE in "$USERXSESSION" "$ALTUSERXSESSION"; do > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup: > ERRMSG="$ERRMSG no \"$USERXSESSION\" file, no \"$ALTUSERXSESSION\" file," It is. The real problem appears to be multiple instances of X attempting to start due to having 'startx' in a shell rc. >> Or if you need to create, or want to check, the new .xinitrc file then it should contain: >> #!/bin/sh >> xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults & >> icewm & >> idesk & >> while [ 1 ] ; do >> sleep 1000d >> done > And if the session lasts longer? > Seriously, though, why not use the standard: > idesk & > icewm > ? Because this way I can start terminals with commands ending with & **after** the wm has started, and not have to worry about accidentally killing X because I just exited the controlling terminal - which happens rarely, but enough to be annoying. Cheers, Tim. -- The code that never executes at all is the fastest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
I have an IBM Thinkpad R61 running Debian Testing with kernel 2.6.30. After a recent system update the touchpad no longer works. The red button thing, whatever they call it, embedded in the keyboard and its associated buttons all work but the touchpad and its associated buttons don't. I have tried various xorg.conf configurations and no xorg.conf at all but it makes no difference. I've tried booting from a Knoppix DVD v5.1 with a 2.6.19 kernel and it works with that. Can anyone suggest a reason for this? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Howto recover deleted files/folders without comercial apps?
> Which is the easiest way to recover deleted files/folders using ONLY > commands from Debian OS? I'll just agree with Johannes here: if you value your data enough to try and recover deleted files, then you *should* *really* be doing regular backups. Hardware failures do happen. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2009-10-16 13:41 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> This way you are running a 64-bit system with a 32-bit userland. > > Note that this combination will not work with virtualbox (#456391¹), so > that it becomes necessary to set up an amd64 chroot for virtualbox. Yup, thanks! I had already forgotten about that, although I have this problem with virtualbox as well. Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrYeLkACgkQC1NzPRl9qEXUUgCfW7u6hl+ljT5nXmfq65ojvsze hpIAnjA8Jv2q6sKzQ08kyCC421veoZgw =l8Yi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
Hi, On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:08:45PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > I have an IBM Thinkpad R61 running Debian Testing with kernel 2.6.30. > After a recent system update the touchpad no longer works. The red button > thing, whatever they call it, embedded in the keyboard and its associated > buttons all work but the touchpad and its associated buttons don't. > > I have tried various xorg.conf configurations and no xorg.conf at all but > it makes no difference. But I can not tell what you tried. > I've tried booting from a Knoppix DVD v5.1 with a 2.6.19 kernel and it > works with that. Did you copy xorg.conf from Knoppix? > Can anyone suggest a reason for this? Did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics ? Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
>> My hardware is Presario CQ40-115AU >> It have AMD Turion X2 processor, 4 GiB RAM (2 X 2 GiB) I have 2 similar boxes, one running 686-bigmem and one running amd64. >> Since 32 bit Debian have more packages I'm thinking of going back to 32-bit >> with bigmem kernel. The questions are: I don't use any of the packages that exist on one but not on the other, so I can't help you there. I'd generally recommend to stay away from such packages, tho. >> Does running 64-bit debian will boost the performance compared to 32-bit on >> my machine? I doubt you'll notice any difference. But if you do, it could go either way, depending on what you do. >> Will it hinder (using bigmem kernel) my work which mostly related to >> virtualization using virtualbox? No idea. >> Any other pros and cons? I use the 686-bigmem at home mostly so that it uses the exact same packages as my other machines (makes a difference because I use a caching proxy). > I would go for a 32 bit Debian system with a 64-bit kernel. (I have > sometimes problems with certain `flashy' web sites or digitally > restricted pdfs on my amd64 system). I've tried that several times, but always end up coming back to 686-bigmem because there are still incompatibilities between a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland (e.g. last time I tried, uswsusp didn't work). Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: how to tell webalizer where webalizer.conf is?
if i might summarize what i was droning on about below: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > if i might impose on the list one more time, this has to do with > still tweaking the migration i did once upon a time, and is > webalizer-specific, but i'm betting someone here is going to see > what i missed doing in about five seconds. > > it came to my attention that the web site stats generated by > webalizer for this system simply *stop* at sept 20. all these stats > were being generated in the directory /var/www//logs and, > sure enough, if i pop into that directory, i can see all the usage > files, and they clearly stop at that date. so, obviously, as i was > doing the migration, i failed to re-tweak the output directory for > webalizer. > > i checked the default(?) /etc/webalizer/webalizer.conf file and, > sure enough, rather than pointing to that long-time output > directory, it was pointing at /var/www/webalizer, and when i ran the > cron webalizer script manually, it dumped its current output in that > latter directory. ok, easy enough, i just have to correct the > entries in /etc/webalizer/webalizer.conf. > > but i looked closer in that logs directory and i can see a > webalizer.conf file *there* as well. with the *correct* values for > those variables. so it looks like the person who set this up chose > to keep the .conf file with the log files, and not in what i thought > was the standard location. > > is that a reasonable thing to do? because it would certainly > break the webalizer cron script, which looks in the /etc location by > default. is there a webalizer-approved way to have it start off > with a different location for its .conf file with manually hacking > the script itself? i'd like to avoid that if i could. as i read it, setting up webalizer involves first configuring /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and, in my case, defining a bunch of virtual hosts, some of which define: TransferLog /var/www//logs/access.log so that's obviously where my transfer stats will be logged. and that's the same "logs" directory that is used as webalizer's output directory. but here's the part i don't get. if i examine /etc/cron.daily/webalizer, i read: # This script just run webalizer agains all .conf files in /etc/webalizer directory WEBALIZER=/usr/bin/webalizer WEBALIZER_CONFDIR=/etc/webalizer ... that seems pretty clear that /etc/webalizer will be used for the location of the processed config file, even though the output "logs" directory contains another webalizer.conf file that appears to be correct for this setup. and the top part of it reads: # As of version 0.98, The Webalizer will look for a 'default' configuration # file named "webalizer.conf" in the current directory, and if not found # there, will look for "/etc/webalizer.conf". ignore that that last location isn't actually correct, but what defines the "current" directory for webalizer? maybe that's what's happening here -- that the logs directory is defined as webalizer's home dir somehow so that alternate .conf file is the one being consulted. or am i making this way too hard, and i should just stick with the default /etc-based conf file like a normal person would? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
Joe wrote: > Michael Biebl wrote: >> Mitchell Laks wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently did a sid dist-upgrade, and could no longer boot using >>> linux-image-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem kernel >>> and had to boot off an old 2.6.26 kernel. >> .. >> >>> This is a problem. >>> >> I guess the real problem is, that you should be more careful when doing >> dist-upgrades about which packages are removed. >> >> Or better use a simple upgrade which does not remove packages automatically. >> >> > So could I ask what the correct answer actually is? Just wait a couple of days until this issue is sorted out properly. Until then, just put the lvm/dmsetup package on hold and be careful when you uprade. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
custom Installer
Hello guys, I am working on developing a system that will be a custom distro that I will need to compile as a Installable DVD / Iso Image.. I was thinking of installing on a system and using mondo system backup to make the iso images, but I don't like it since it will remember my partitions backup, so it will require a full HDD, so I need to make a custom installer and I don't intend on typing the code for it.. any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
Tanco . wrote: > Hello guys, > I am working on developing a system that will be a custom distro that I > will need to > compile as a Installable DVD / Iso Image.. > I was thinking of installing on a system and using mondo system backup > to make the iso images, but I don't like it since it will remember my > partitions backup, so it will require a full HDD, > so I need to make a custom installer and I don't intend on typing the > code for it.. > > any ideas? > > ehmm,, debian already has an installer, why not use that one? all you need to do is to change the defaults into what you need it to be, i did it a while ago with Ubuntu but the same principle applies. sure you can find more info on this but i have some old notes here that you could use as a start. http://www.songshu.org/index.php/customise-the-ubuntu-installer#hacking-the-installer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Leandro Quibem Magnabosco wrote: > This thread *has* to stop! And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? > > =( > > Every time someone replys to this thread, God kills a kitty. Who told you that? > It's true. How would you know? -- Lee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Mitchell Laks wrote: > Hi, > > I recently did a sid dist-upgrade, and could no longer boot using > linux-image-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem kernel > and had to boot off an old 2.6.26 kernel. > > The reason is that gnome-control-center and other gnome stuff bring in > devicekit-disks > and > > 1. lvm2 requires dmsetup > 2. devicekit-disks conflicts with dmsetup > 3. gnome-control-center and other gnome crap need devicekit-disks > 4. so lvm2 and dmsetup get kicked out to rc status > 5. then you can't boot with your kernel if / is on lvm2 This is a known issue [1] (I don't known why this link didn't appear here in previous replies) Sure Michael and Bastian will solve it in short [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545032 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On 16/10/09 14:31:33, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:08:45PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > > > I have an IBM Thinkpad R61 running Debian Testing with kernel > > > 2.6.30. After a recent system update the touchpad no longer works. > > > The red button thing, whatever they call it, embedded in the > > > keyboard and its associated buttons all work but the touchpad and > > > its associated buttons don't. > > > > > > I have tried various xorg.conf configurations and no xorg.conf at > all but it makes no difference. > > But I can not tell what you tried. > > > I've tried booting from a Knoppix DVD v5.1 with a 2.6.19 kernel and it > > works with that. > > Did you copy xorg.conf from Knoppix? Yes - no difference. > > Can anyone suggest a reason for this? > > Did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics ? No but I do have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. Let me stress that it was working perfectly before the update. I haven't changed anything directly myself. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: sid dist-upgrade: lvm2 conflicts with devicekit-disks so systems with / on lvm2 killed
On Friday 16 October 2009 03:08:36 Joe wrote: > So could I ask what the correct answer actually is? What combination of > packages do we need to maintain an unbroken operating system which > depends on both lvm2 and gnome? AFAIK, there isn't one in sid alone. You may be able to pull some packages from Squeeze to get a mixed system that works. Alternatively, if you haven't upgraded yet, you might just hold off. > It seems to me that sid has churned enormously in the last few months, > tens of megabytes every day, and we are seeing problems that should have > been fixed in experimental before pushing them out to sid. Experimental is not a required step for maintainers to take. In fact, it is really only for packages that the maintainer knows should not make it into a stable Debian release or for *experimenting* with the packaging. Normally, packages do not pass through experimental on their way to sid. Disclaimer: I don't run Sid. I use a mixed stable/volatile/backports/testing/unstable/experimental apt set-up, but get most of my packages from Lenny. KDE 4 and it's dependencies being the major exception, I get those from Squeeze. Sid breaks. It won't stop breaking. The DDs and DMs will try and fix it quickly, but some things take time. When running Sid you have to be more careful with upgrades and be willing to file, read, and act on (by implementing work-arounds) bug reports. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On 20091016_083137, Rob Owens wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:51:52PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > So far the responses that I have gotten comfirm without a doubt that > > what I was told by the sales person in Best Buy is not at all the > > whole story. There is *a lot* more to the solution than just buying an > > adapter cable. Mention of Burr Brown 24bit ladder DACs brought back memories > > of technical problems that simply have no solution via software alone. > > > It's definitely not the whole story, but it's a good starting point. > The cables are pretty cheap (less than $20 in the US) and it'll get > you started. It would probably be beneficial for you to put together a > cheap test system to see how you like it, before you spend big bucks on > better hardware. It'll also give you time to experiment with different > music players on your computer to see which you like best. > IMHO, I already have better hardware, but its a fair distance away from where I have my computers. To do the test, I would have to buy a rather long adapter cable (>~100ft). The cable would be carrying analog signal. Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. I think the test would only show me something that I already know. Thanks. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
This is actually a good Idea, but I need to add custom software inside, and configurations, I don't need package selectors, and such, just partition selector/editor, timezone, language, and boot selector.. can I do this with the ubuntu installer? can i add custom software and configs? randall wrote: Tanco . wrote: Hello guys, I am working on developing a system that will be a custom distro that I will need to compile as a Installable DVD / Iso Image.. I was thinking of installing on a system and using mondo system backup to make the iso images, but I don't like it since it will remember my partitions backup, so it will require a full HDD, so I need to make a custom installer and I don't intend on typing the code for it.. any ideas? ehmm,, debian already has an installer, why not use that one? all you need to do is to change the defaults into what you need it to be, i did it a while ago with Ubuntu but the same principle applies. sure you can find more info on this but i have some old notes here that you could use as a start. http://www.songshu.org/index.php/customise-the-ubuntu-installer#hacking-the-installer
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:25:52PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > On 16/10/09 14:31:33, Osamu Aoki wrote: [...] > > > > Did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics ? > > No but I do have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. > > Let me stress that it was working perfectly before the update. I haven't > changed anything directly myself. can you get synclient to connect to the synaptics driver? Does Xorg.0.log show any reference to synaptics? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: > wrote: > > This thread *has* to stop! > > And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of elements to it does not change it's size. > > Every time someone replys to this thread, God kills a kitty. > > Who told you that? > > > It's true. > > How would you know? 2 observations: (1) I kill a kitty every time this thread is posted to. (2) you cannot prove that I am not god. MM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
On Friday 16 October 2009 16:32:21 Tanco . wrote: > Hello guys, > I am working on developing a system that will be a custom distro that I > will need to > compile as a Installable DVD / Iso Image.. > I was thinking of installing on a system and using mondo system backup > to make the iso images, but I don't like it since it will remember my > partitions backup, so it will require a full HDD, > so I need to make a custom installer and I don't intend on typing the > code for it.. > > any ideas? > http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
Tanco wrote: > This is actually a good Idea, but I need to add custom software inside, > and configurations, > I don't need package selectors, and such, just partition > selector/editor, timezone, language, > and boot selector.. > can I do this with the ubuntu installer? > can i add custom software and configs? well, first of all, ubuntu uses the debian installer. but yes, partitioning can be done via the preseed file, in my example i used d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select All files in one partition (recommended for new users) its basically the answer to one of the questions you might recognize when installing debian and can be set to anything you want. same with timezone d-i time/zone string Europe/Amsterdam etc... its all in the preseed file don't know what kind of custom software you need included but you can also have any script you want to be run in the beginning or at the end of the installation. i'm sure there are more ways then the one suggested by me that you can choose from like for example FAI or even puppet to also control the machines after installation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
Matthew Moore wrote: > On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: >> wrote: >>> This thread *has* to stop! >> And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? > > This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of elements > to > it does not change it's size. > >>> Every time someone replys to this thread, God kills a kitty. >> Who told you that? >> >>> It's true. >> How would you know? > > 2 observations: > > (1) I kill a kitty every time this thread is posted to. > (2) you cannot prove that I am not god. > > MM > > i'm not a god and can even prove that. nevertheless i do kill kitties -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
Also a great idea, but the problem is that the base system is a slackware (i am not allowed to change the base distro) also I need to make a installer of a already running system , so the idea basically is I need to somehow make an installer of the system in questions.. because i.e. it needs specific software : it uses postgres 7.4 apache 1.3 etc.. and the DB needs to have some preinstalled tables with data, the htdocs on the apache need to be on a specific location and need to have a web app running directly after install it will be a huge problem to make everything in the install process that is why I came up with the idea for using mondo backup, because it tars everything,.. best regards Tanco Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Friday 16 October 2009 16:32:21 Tanco . wrote: Hello guys, I am working on developing a system that will be a custom distro that I will need to compile as a Installable DVD / Iso Image.. I was thinking of installing on a system and using mondo system backup to make the iso images, but I don't like it since it will remember my partitions backup, so it will require a full HDD, so I need to make a custom installer and I don't intend on typing the code for it.. any ideas? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD Thierry
site to which iceweasel cannot connect
>From iceweasel, I can never connect to this site: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ When I try, I get a screen that says, "Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at cincinnati.com." Then it says to check my network connection, firewalls, etc. When I try sensible-browser (i.e. /usr/bin/x-www-browser), it says "cincinnati.com refused the connection". In both cases, I have allowed pop-ups, Java, and JavaScript. This fails on both my Etch and Lenny machines. On the same machines, I also have virtual WinXP clients (VMware) running Explorer. From those, I can connect fine. So I do have a way of getting to the site. But I'm curious to know why iceweasel fails. Any ideas? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
MM writes: > (1) I kill a kitty every time this thread is posted to. There are too damn many cats anyway. > (2) you cannot prove that I am not god. Yes I can. I am god. I can prove anything. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: site to which iceweasel cannot connect
Steve Kleene wrote: > >From iceweasel, I can never connect to this site: > > http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ > > When I try, I get a screen that says, "Iceweasel can't establish a connection > to the server at cincinnati.com." Then it says to check my network > connection, firewalls, etc. When I try sensible-browser > (i.e. /usr/bin/x-www-browser), it says "cincinnati.com refused the > connection". In both cases, I have allowed pop-ups, Java, and JavaScript. > This fails on both my Etch and Lenny machines. > > On the same machines, I also have virtual WinXP clients (VMware) running > Explorer. From those, I can connect fine. So I do have a way of getting to > the site. But I'm curious to know why iceweasel fails. Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > Works for me; try starting Iceweasel in safe mode. -- Kent West <*)))>< http://kentwest.blogspot.com Praise Yah! \o/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Matthew Moore wrote: > On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: >> wrote: >> > This thread *has* to stop! >> >> And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? > > This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of elements > to > it does not change it's size. Good point. But I think there's a reasonable quibble about the difference between unbounded and infinite (in the cantorian sense). > >> > Every time someone replys to this thread, God kills a kitty. >> >> Who told you that? >> >> > It's true. >> >> How would you know? > > 2 observations: > > (1) I kill a kitty every time this thread is posted to. > (2) you cannot prove that I am not god. (1) is a on't care. (2) is obviously false by inspection because I am. I think this is related to the proof of existence of actions god cannot perform like creating a stone so heavy he cannot reflect it. Being your probably belongs in that class. -- Lee P.S. for the purposes of this thread we should assume that there is no such thing otherwise we would have to submit to his/her/its dicta re list message length and the suitablity of Reply-To headers. Thus the topic is OT for this thread (as opposed to OT for this list). -- L. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Friday 16 October 2009 11:03:13 Matthew Moore wrote: > On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: > > And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? > > This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of > elements to it does not change it's size. By size do you mean cardinality or ordinality? You can take a set of (infinite) ordinality aleph-naught and add single new element that is greater than all the others (generally denoted "1*") and get a new set of the same cardinality but an ordinality of aleph-naught + 1. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Friday October 16 2009 10:39:23 am you wrote: > > This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of > > elements to it does not change it's size. > > Good point. But I think there's a reasonable quibble about the > difference between unbounded and infinite (in the cantorian sense). In order to define boundedness, you require some kind of ambient space in which to embed your set. If your ambient space is a nonmetrizable infinite topological space, you may be right, depending on the topology. Cantor, however, worked with densely ordered metrizable spaces. These spaces have a measure, called the generalized Lebesgue measure. With regard to this measure, the size of a finite number of elements is 0. Hence adding a finite number of elements to ANY subset of a "cantorian" space does not change its "size" (i.e. it's measure). MM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Friday October 16 2009 10:56:29 am Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Friday 16 October 2009 11:03:13 Matthew Moore wrote: > > On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: > > > And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? > > > > This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of > > elements to it does not change it's size. > > By size do you mean cardinality or ordinality? The size of a set is a cardinal number. Generally, when you talk about the "size" of a set, you are referring to it's cardinality. > You can take a set of (infinite) ordinality aleph-naught and add single new > element that is greater than all the others (generally denoted "1*") and > get a new set of the same cardinality but an ordinality of aleph-naught + > 1. I suppose that you are thinking of the "length of the thread" as the length of the maximal ascending (or descending) ordered chain (here a
Re: site to which iceweasel cannot connect
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:32:43 -0400, I wrote: > From iceweasel, I can never connect to this site: > > http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:36:58 -0500, Kent West replied: > Works for me; try starting Iceweasel in safe mode. I killed the existing browser and then called /usr/bin/iceweasel --safe-mode This still failed to connect as usual. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: custom Installer
Tanco wrote: > Also a great idea, > but the problem is that the base system is a slackware (i am not allowed > to change the base distro) > also I need to make a installer of a already running system , > > so the idea basically is I need to somehow make an installer of the > system in questions.. > because i.e. it needs specific software : it > uses postgres 7.4 > apache 1.3 > etc.. > and the DB needs to have some preinstalled tables with data, > the htdocs on the apache need to be on a specific location > and need to have a web app running directly after install > it will be a huge problem to make everything in the install process > that is why I came up with the idea for using mondo backup, > because it tars everything,.. > > best regards > Tanco > if i remember correctly good old slack uses tag files so you can preset the software selection, for the rest it might give you better results to ask this question on a Slackware specific mailing list, i know there are some pretty knowledgeable slackers there who probably can get you better advise on the distro specifics. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On 16/10/09 16:59:55, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:25:52PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > > On 16/10/09 14:31:33, Osamu Aoki wrote: > [...] > > > > > > Did you install xfree86-driver-synaptics ? > > > > No but I do have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. > > > > Let me stress that it was working perfectly before the update. I > > haven't changed anything directly myself. > > can you get synclient to connect to the synaptics driver? Does > Xorg.0.log show any reference to synaptics? I hadn't thought of looking in there but, yes, there is a line which says: SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem to be missing What would that mean? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. Use the hardware Deutsche Grammophone, etc. use -- your recordings aren't going to sound any better than that... -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100 Barry Samuels wrote: ... > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem to > be missing > > What would that mean? Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event interface). From its help: "Say Y here if you want your input device events be accessible under char device 13:64+ - /dev/input/eventX in a generic way. To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the module will be called evdev." Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled? Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
Glenn writes: > Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly > the high freq. part of the signal. > Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not any impedance if it is terminated. > Not at 100' anyway. Right. You can't hear 1Mhz. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Matthew Moore wrote: > On Friday October 16 2009 10:56:29 am Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> On Friday 16 October 2009 11:03:13 Matthew Moore wrote: >> >>> On Friday October 16 2009 9:11:05 am Lee Winter wrote: >>> And you are adding to it in order to shorten it? >>> This thread is much like any infinite set. Adding a finite number of >>> elements to it does not change it's size. >>> >> By size do you mean cardinality or ordinality? >> > > The size of a set is a cardinal number. Generally, when you talk about the > "size" of a set, you are referring to it's cardinality. > > >> You can take a set of (infinite) ordinality aleph-naught and add single new >> element that is greater than all the others (generally denoted "1*") and >> get a new set of the same cardinality but an ordinality of aleph-naught + >> 1. >> > > I suppose that you are thinking of the "length of the thread" as the length > of > the maximal ascending (or descending) ordered chain (here a b > is a reply to a). I admit that I interpreted "this thread has to stop!" as > "this thread must stop having additional members added to it!" and not "this > thread must have a finite maximal chain!". > > MM > > stop the damn thread! --a kitty smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100 > Barry Samuels wrote: > > ... > > > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem to > > be missing > > > > What would that mean? > > Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called > CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event > interface). From its help: > > "Say Y here if you want your input device events be accessible > under char device 13:64+ - /dev/input/eventX in a generic way. > > To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the > module will be called evdev." > > Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled? from the tone of the prior thread, I assume it's a stock kernel, so, OP, let us know if it's not. Apropos the xorg log, if the synaptics module can't find the device then it won't work, I would assume :) Can you provide the logs of what packages you upgraded that brought about this failure? I'm thinking maybe this points to a hal problem, perhaps (but know nothing about hal...). A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end musicsystems
Paul E Condon wrote: > long adapter cable (>~100ft). The cable would be carrying analog signal. Unbalanced signals, such as might be found on computer sound card 1/8" TRS jacks and audio equipment RCA jacks, are susceptible to common-mode noise and ground loops. If your computer sound card line out jack and your pre-amplifier/ receiver line input jacks are grounded to your electrical power distribution system, directly or indirectly (e.g. 3-prong power cable to anything connected to either), connecting your computer to your audio gear will create a large single-turn transformer with your equipment and house as the core. Induced currents would result in common-mode noise; you might hear your electrical appliances through your audio system. (I was able to hear my refrigerator switching on and off in one apartment; I can see my garbage disposal operating in my current house.) Electrical system ground faults, arc welding, etc., could damage your audio gear and/or computer. Balanced signals are designed to reject common-mode noise. I've sent line-level public address signals from a mixer to a series of amplified loudspeakers using ~800 ft. of XLR cables with no perceived loss in quality. Isolation transformers can connect balanced and/or unbalanced systems, and break ground loops. (Good direct boxes incorporate a transformer and include a "ground lift" switch.) The fast, cheap answer is to buy 100+ ft. of twisted, shielded pair (TSP) cable, run it, make up the ends, and take a listen. Adding load resistors at the audio end might reduce common-mode noise (observe sound card line out load impedance specifications). If it sounds okay, tape/ staple down the cable and you're done. Two 100+ ft. cables would give you less cross talk. Two isolation transformers/ direct boxes and two cables would be a reasonable best effort. That said, I still think you'd be better off with an HTPC (with wireless networking). HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: 32-bit with bigmem or 64-bit debian, which is better?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 04:41, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: >> My hardware is Presario CQ40-115AU >> It have AMD Turion X2 processor, 4 GiB RAM (2 X 2 GiB) >> >> Since 32 bit Debian have more packages I'm thinking of going back to 32-bit >> with bigmem kernel. The questions are: >> >> Does running 64-bit debian will boost the performance compared to 32-bit on >> my machine? >> >> Will it hinder (using bigmem kernel) my work which mostly related to >> virtualization using virtualbox? >> >> Any other pros and cons? > > I would go for a 32 bit Debian system with a 64-bit kernel. (I have > sometimes problems with certain `flashy' web sites or digitally > restricted pdfs on my amd64 system). Really? I admit I haven't used any signed PDFs, but Flash and websites in general haven't given me any trouble in the ~9 months I have been using AMD64 (and I visit a lot of sites). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: site to which iceweasel cannot connect
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 13:06:37 -0400, Steve Kleene wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:32:43 -0400, I wrote: > > > From iceweasel, I can never connect to this site: > > > > http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:36:58 -0500, Kent West replied: > > > Works for me; try starting Iceweasel in safe mode. > > I killed the existing browser and then called > > /usr/bin/iceweasel --safe-mode > > This still failed to connect as usual. Try if you can connect to the server using telnet on port 80: telnet cincinnati.com 80 (I use the indentation to distinguish commands and their output from my remarks; do not type any spaces at the beginning of the lines.) You should get this response: Trying 216.68.247.10... Connected to cincinnati.com. Escape character is '^]'. If that does not work then we know that you have a basic network problem, at least for connections to cincinnati.com. (I think this is unlikely, given that you can connect to all other sites normally.) If it does work then you can check whether you can access the /blogs/politics content. To request it, send these three lines to the server: HEAD /blogs/politics HTTP/1.1 Host: cincinnati.com Important: There really are three lines to send to the server; the last one is empty, so you have to press ENTER twice after you type "Host: cincinnati.com". This is the response that I get: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:40:51 GMT Server: Apache X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.6 Vary: Cookie X-Pingback: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/xmlrpc.php Location: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Let us know what you see when you try this. To end the telnet session, simply send an undefined command to the server, for example "x" + ENTER and you should be returned to your shell prompt with the message "Connection closed by foreign host". -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On 20091016_115141, ghe wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly >> the high freq. part of the signal. > > Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. > > Use the hardware Deutsche Grammophone, etc. use -- your recordings aren't > going to sound any better than that... > > -- > Glenn English > g...@slsware.com Impedance and balance are two different things. Impedance only becomes an issue when the wave length of the signal on the cable becomes comparable to the length of the cable run. Balance OTOH has only to do with rejection of common mode environmental noise, e.g. hum pickup, not with loss of signal amplitude. In addition to impedance and balance, there is also hi-freq. loss due to RC time constant of the cable. Cheap cables have small center conductor, and thin layer of insulation. Small conductor is higher resistance (R). Thin insulation is higher capacitance (C). Both make hi-freq loss greater. I have never seen wire size/ insultation thickness spec.s on the label of any audio cable in a consumer electronics store. I have never seen balanced output of stereo audio in a single jack on a computer. (An example of RC time constant effects, is the difficulties CPU chip makers have with on-chip signal timing. The wave length of the signal is vastly larger than the chip size, but still the signal at the receiving end of a via rises noticeable more slowly than at the sending end.) But this is theoretical knowledge. It precludes me from believing much of the marketing pitch of consumer grade electronics. I'm hoping to find some practical information that is in better conformance the established theory. I'm older now than when I bought the hifi. Hearing declines with age. But I can still tell the difference between the sound from my computer and from my hifi. It may be that the age of real hifi has passed, just as the age of the vacuum tube has passed, but I'm hoping not (for real hifi. I don't mind the new dominance of transistors.) Thanks for reading to the end of this rant. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:13:45 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100 > > Barry Samuels wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem to > > > be missing > > > > > > What would that mean? > > > > Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called > > CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event > > interface). [...] > > Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled? > > from the tone of the prior thread, I assume it's a stock kernel, so, > OP, let us know if it's not. > > Apropos the xorg log, if the synaptics module can't find the device > then it won't work, I would assume :) > > Can you provide the logs of what packages you upgraded that brought > about this failure? I'm thinking maybe this points to a hal problem, > perhaps (but know nothing about hal...). The output of the following command should tell us what HAL knows/thinks about the touchpad: lshal -u $(hal-find-by-capability --capability input.touchpad) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On 16/10/09 20:13:45, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100
> > Barry Samuels wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem
> > > to be missing
> > >
> > > What would that mean?
> >
> > Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called
> > CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event
> > interface). From its help:
> >
> > "Say Y here if you want your input device events be accessible
> > under char device 13:64+ - /dev/input/eventX in a generic way.
> >
> > To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the
> > module will be called evdev."
> >
> > Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled?
It is enabled.
> from the tone of the prior thread, I assume it's a stock kernel, so,
> OP, let us know if it's not.
No it's not. I compile my own kernels.
> Apropos the xorg log, if the synaptics module can't find the device
> then it won't work, I would assume :)
Seems fair.
> Can you provide the logs of what packages you upgraded that brought
> about this failure? I'm thinking maybe this points to a hal problem,
> perhaps (but know nothing about hal...).
Is there a log for that? The last upgrade was a little overdue and I think
about 150 packages were upgraded.
The output of lshal -u $(hal-find-by-capability --capability
input.touchpad) is:
udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_logicaldev_input'
info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.touchpad'} (string list)
info.category = 'input' (string)
info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port' (string)
info.product = 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' (string)
info.subsystem = 'input' (string)
info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_logicaldev_input' (string)
input.device = '/dev/event7' (string)
input.originating_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port' (string)
input.product = 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' (string)
input.x11_driver = 'synaptics' (string)
input.x11_options.SHMConfig = 'On' (string)
linux.device_file = '/dev/event7' (string)
linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
linux.subsystem = 'input' (string)
linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/input/input7/event7' (string)
I hope it means more to you than it does to me. :)
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Re: site to which iceweasel cannot connect - SOLVED
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:32:43 -0400, I wrote: > From iceweasel, I can never connect to this site: > > http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/ On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:15:45 +0200, Florian Kulzer replied: > Try if you can connect to the server using telnet on port 80: > > telnet cincinnati.com 80 This immediately revealed the problem, which is that I am occasionally an idiot. The output was: Trying 127.0.0.1... at which point I realized that I had this in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 cincinnati.com I do this when a site is responsible for annoying browser ads that I want to avoid. Now I actually want some content from that site. I deleted the line from /etc/hosts, and it's fixed. Thanks for providing the critical test, Florian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On 16/10/09 21:22:22, Barry Samuels wrote:
> On 16/10/09 20:13:45, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100
> > > Barry Samuels wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem
> > > > to be missing
> > > >
> > > > What would that mean?
> > >
> > > Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called
> > > CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event
> > > interface). From its help:
> > >
> > > "Say Y here if you want your input device events be accessible
> > > under char device 13:64+ - /dev/input/eventX in a generic way.
> > >
> > > To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the
> > > module will be called evdev."
> > >
> > > Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled?
>
> It is enabled.
>
> > from the tone of the prior thread, I assume it's a stock kernel, so,
> > OP, let us know if it's not.
>
> No it's not. I compile my own kernels.
>
> > Apropos the xorg log, if the synaptics module can't find the device
> > then it won't work, I would assume :)
>
> Seems fair.
>
> > Can you provide the logs of what packages you upgraded that brought
> > about this failure? I'm thinking maybe this points to a hal problem,
> > perhaps (but know nothing about hal...).
>
> Is there a log for that? The last upgrade was a little overdue and I
> think
> about 150 packages were upgraded.
>
> The output of lshal -u $(hal-find-by-capability --capability
> input.touchpad) is:
>
> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
> platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_logicaldev_input'
> info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.touchpad'} (string list)
> info.category = 'input' (string)
> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
> platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port' (string)
> info.product = 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' (string)
> info.subsystem = 'input' (string)
> info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
> platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_logicaldev_input' (string)
> input.device = '/dev/event7' (string)
> input.originating_device = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/
> platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port' (string)
> input.product = 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' (string)
> input.x11_driver = 'synaptics' (string)
> input.x11_options.SHMConfig = 'On' (string)
> linux.device_file = '/dev/event7' (string)
> linux.hotplug_type = 2 (0x2) (int)
> linux.subsystem = 'input' (string)
> linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/input/input7/event7' (string)
>
> I hope it means more to you than it does to me. :)
>
Just noticed something. On my desktop event0, event1, mice, mouse0 etc are
in /dev/input but on the laptop they are in /dev and /dev/input has only
by-id and by-path
Is that significant?
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Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. Impedance and balance are two different things. Impedance only becomes an issue when the wave length of the signal on the cable becomes comparable to the length of the cable run. That's interesting -- I never heard that. Maybe I just never dealt with cables long enough. I'd like to learn more about it (off list would be more appropriate, I suspect). Balance OTOH has only to do with rejection of common mode environmental noise, e.g. hum pickup, not with loss of signal amplitude. Yup. But hums and pops and buzzes and stuff definitely count as degradation. But this is theoretical knowledge. It precludes me from believing much of the marketing pitch of consumer grade electronics. I'm hoping to find some practical information that is in better conformance the established theory. To an old audio engineer, that's gratifying to hear: today's hifi marketing is astounding BS. And if you want some really practical info about bandwidth and noise, get an oscillator and a meter and measure it. I think you'll find that, coming from a modern solid state amp (vanishingly low output impedance), you'll be hard pressed to find significant high frequency loss on just about any 100' long piece of cable. Your definition of "significant" is allowed to differ from mine, however. I'm older now than when I bought the hifi. Hearing declines with age. But I can still tell the difference between the sound from my computer and from my hifi. I'd first suspect the DAC/ADCs and the analog circuitry in the computers -- in yours and the one that digitized in the first place. Or maybe the digital sound's sample rate. Or, of course, the file could be (badly done) mp3 or one of its buds... It may be that the age of real hifi has passed, just as the age of the vacuum tube has passed, but I'm hoping not (for real hifi. I don't mind the new dominance of transistors.) I was around at the transition. And the early solid state amps were, indeed, pretty nasty. Then somebody discovered how easy and cheap op- amps were :-( But they've learned how to work with silicon, and things are much better now. These days, a properly designed solid state amplifier is at least as good as could be done with vacuum tubes -- and a lot quieter and more reliable. Thanks for reading to the end of this rant. You're welcome :-) -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: site to which iceweasel cannot connect - SOLVED
Quoth Steve Kleene at 2009-10-17 06:57... > I do this when a site is responsible for annoying browser ads that I want to > avoid. Now I actually want some content from that site. I deleted the line > from /etc/hosts, and it's fixed. I find that a combination of the AdBlock Plus and NoScript plugins take care of that for me. All from within Firefox/Iceweasel. -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Blog/personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy Skype: msmiffy Twitter: @smiffy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Intel C++ Compiler, Debian Sid and libstdc++5/6
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:57:12 -0300 Ivan Marin wrote: > Hello all, > > I've just installed the Intel C++ compiler on a Debian Sid, amd64, icc > version 11.1.056. Even with the warnings (system not recognized, binutils > not found, etc), the compiler installs correctly. But when I try to use it, > it complains for libstdc++5. I've searched for the library, but it is not > avaliable anymore in sid repositories. I even did a soft link from > libstdc++6 to ++5, but then it complained with this message: > > libstdc++.so.5: version `CXXABI_1.2' not found > libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2' not found > > So I think that ++5 and ++6 are not compatible. I really would not like to > hunt down the libstdc++5 package and install it "by hand". > > Did anybody succesfully used the intel compilers on sid? Any pointers? > > Thanks! > > Ivan Marin First of all there is the libstdc++5 package, second, what version of icc are you using, I believe that they are using stdc++6 by now (at least the version I have installed) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Thinkpad Touchpad no longer works
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 21:49:34 +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > On 16/10/09 21:22:22, Barry Samuels wrote: > > On 16/10/09 20:13:45, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 02:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:42:05 +0100 Barry Samuels wrote: [...] > > > > > SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad The /dev/input/event* device nodes seem > > > > > to be missing [...] > > > > Not sure, but in the kernel config, there's something called > > > > CONFIG_INPUT_DEV (Device Drivers / Input device support / Event > > > > interface). [...] > > > > Perhaps your kernel doesn't have this enabled? > > > > It is enabled. > > > > > from the tone of the prior thread, I assume it's a stock kernel, so, > > > OP, let us know if it's not. > > > > No it's not. I compile my own kernels. [...] > > The output of lshal -u $(hal-find-by-capability --capability > > input.touchpad) is: > > > > udi = > > '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX_port_logicaldev_input' [...] > > input.device = '/dev/event7' (string) [...] > > linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/input/input7/event7' (string) > > > > I hope it means more to you than it does to me. :) > > Just noticed something. On my desktop event0, event1, mice, mouse0 etc are > in /dev/input but on the laptop they are in /dev and /dev/input has only > by-id and by-path > > Is that significant? Yes, it is; it probably means that something goes wrong when udev creates the device node for the touchpad. My first guess is that you upgraded to a newer version of udev, and that it now expects some novel piece of information that your custom kernel does not provide. (IOW, I side with Celejar and Andrew in suspecting your kernel configuration is the cause of your problems.) Please install the newest stock kernel and boot into it; this will immediately tell us if we are on the right track. Once we have established that, we can delve into the details to find the relevant setting. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to replicate the behaviour of /usr/local
Klistvud writes: >Dne, 16. 10. 2009 12:19:03 je Cameron Hutchison napisal(a): >> Klistvud writes: >> >> >I have a shared directory on my system; what I'd like to achieve is >> >making every newly created (or copied from elsewhere) file belong to >> >the group owner "users". >> >> # chgrp users /path/to/shared/directory >> # chmod g+s /path/to/shared/directory >Thanx. Your solution, though, only works for newly created files. Files >*copied to* my shared dir from elsewhere still retain their original >group ownership(s)... That never happens in usr/local. I think you need to look again and perhaps do some tests. What I described is exactly how /usr/local is set up. I don't know what you are doing wrong, but without you explaining exactly what you are doing, no-one can really help you. Let me demonstrate: $ touch /tmp/testfile $ ls -l /tmp/testfile -rw-rw-r-- 1 camh camh 0 2009-10-17 09:24 /tmp/testfile $ mkdir /tmp/shared $ chgrp staff /tmp/shared $ chmod g+s /tmp/shared $ ls -ld /tmp/shared drwxrwsr-x 2 camh staff 4096 2009-10-17 09:25 /tmp/shared $ cp /tmp/testfile /tmp/shared $ ls -l /tmp/shared/testfile -rw-rw-r-- 1 camh staff 0 2009-10-17 09:26 /tmp/shared/testfile Notice how the file /tmp/shared/testfile now has group "staff" where it originally had "camh"? Are you copying files into a directory nested underneath the top-level shared directory? You need all your directories under your top-level directory to be set up the same way. That is, the actual directory you are putting files into needs to be set-group-id - higher levels in the hierarchy do not matter. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
transfer an installed package
Hello all, Is there any way to transfer an installed package from one computer (ubuntu) to another one (debian)? Thanks.
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 09:12:12AM -0300, Leandro Quibem Magnabosco wrote: > This thread *has* to stop! > Or it could veer lightly back on topic... Since I have been having so much fun using and learing mutt lately, and since I've been trying to wean myself off of using GUI programs (GTK and KDE(k3b))) that need a boatload of dependencies, I thought I would give the debain package cdw a try. Cdw's homepage states that the current version is 0.3.93, with the last release being this August. Debian's package is 0.3.3. Seems a bit outdated and the feature set seems limited. The "Copy Audio CD" doesn't really copy a cd, it just "Copy audio tracks from audio CD to separate files on hard disc". I wasn't even able to get this to work. Anybody have any other recommendations for a a good ncurses cd writer tool? Ideally I would like to be able to do an instant copy (from hda to hdb) od an audio cd, burn debian and ubuntu iso's, and write data files to cd and dvd+ and -r. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
/etc/X11/xorg.conf in Squeeze
As a first step in resolving a video problem with a NetVista running Squeeze, I purged xserver-xorg and reinstalled it. Then ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". Still there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Documentation about deprecation of xorg.conf hasn't surfaced. Any ideas? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Google "pathology workshop" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Grub2 not setting the vga= on one of 3 partitions
I finally have grub 2 installed. Whew. It works for testing but, does not set the vga=31B on the stable entry. Generating grub.cfg ... Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 Warning: update-grub_lib is deprecated, use grub-mkconfig_lib instead Found memtest86 image: /boot/memtest86.bin Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin Found Debian GNU/Linux (sid) on /dev/sda8 Found Debian GNU/Linux (4.0) on /dev/sda9 done The grub2 docs are, to say the least, sparce, and do not seem to have a solution to this problem. I have looked for a file that I could edit to fix this but come up empty. Anyone know where I can find it? Anyone have a pointer it a fix? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Grub2 not setting the vga= on one of 3 partitions
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Wayne wrote: > I finally have grub 2 installed. Whew. It works for testing but, does not > set the vga=31B on the stable entry. > Generating grub.cfg ... > Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png > Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-amd64 > Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-amd64 > Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-amd64 > Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 > Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 > Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 > Warning: update-grub_lib is deprecated, use grub-mkconfig_lib instead > Found memtest86 image: /boot/memtest86.bin > Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin > Found Debian GNU/Linux (sid) on /dev/sda8 > Found Debian GNU/Linux (4.0) on /dev/sda9 > done > The grub2 docs are, to say the least, sparce, and do not seem to have a > solution to this problem. > I have looked for a file that I could edit to fix this but come up empty. > Anyone know where I can find it? > Anyone have a pointer it a fix? /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: OT question about sound cards/chip-sets and high-end music systems
On 20091016_151335, ghe wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > Analog signals degrade on long cable runs, particularly the high freq. part of the signal. >>> >>> Not if it's low impedance balanced, it doesn't. Not at 100' anyway. >> >> Impedance and balance are two different things. Impedance only becomes >> an issue when the wave length of the signal on the cable becomes >> comparable to the length of the cable run. > > That's interesting -- I never heard that. Maybe I just never dealt with > cables long enough. I'd like to learn more about it (off list would be > more appropriate, I suspect). Actually my experience was with cable about 100m long, but with signals that were ~10ns pulses. We wanted to measure time of arrival to somewhat better than 1ns. The speed of light is about 30cm/ns. Because of the dielectric constant of the insulator in coax cable, the speed of signals in cable is close to 20cm/ns. We used RG58U cable which is designed to have a characteristic impedance of 50 ohms. Without termination, pulses would reflect off the ends of the cable and 'echo' back and forth in the cable. Echos of earlier pulses would corrupt the wave form of following pulses, and really mess things up. If anyone claims that this sort of thing corrupts analog audio signals in a significant way, I would mark it as marketing obfuscation, not proper electrical engineering. But I'm really not sure. I don't believe proper double blind listening tests have ever been conducted. Such tests are expensive, and the question really doesn't have the social importance of drug safety and efficacy. I do know that I can tell the difference between hifi system sound and desktop PC sound and I prefer the former. And I have a lot of theoretical knowledge that inclines me to be skeptical of explanations offered by marketing people. OTOH, almost anything learned during the early days telephony should be taken into account when doing the analog part of a modern sound system. All sorts of unwanted sounds and distortions of wanted sounds can happen. Much of that has dropped form view in the mad dash to computerize the world. > >> Balance OTOH has only to do >> with rejection of common mode environmental noise, e.g. hum pickup, not >> with loss of signal amplitude. > > Yup. But hums and pops and buzzes and stuff definitely count as > degradation. Well yes, of course. It was being suggested that I just buy an adapter cable and try it. But I know already that an adapter cable alone will give performance that I find unsatisfactory. I gave one good reason, you give three more. Any one of them, alone, would invalidate the test. > >> But this is theoretical knowledge. It precludes me from believing much >> of the marketing pitch of consumer grade electronics. I'm hoping to >> find some practical information that is in better conformance the >> established theory. > > To an old audio engineer, that's gratifying to hear: today's hifi > marketing is astounding BS. And if you want some really practical info > about bandwidth and noise, get an oscillator and a meter and measure it. > > I think you'll find that, coming from a modern solid state amp > (vanishingly low output impedance), you'll be hard pressed to find > significant high frequency loss on just about any 100' long piece of > cable. Your definition of "significant" is allowed to differ from mine, > however. > >> I'm older now than when I bought the hifi. Hearing declines with >> age. But I can still tell the difference between the sound from my >> computer and from my hifi. > > I'd first suspect the DAC/ADCs and the analog circuitry in the computers > -- in yours and the one that digitized in the first place. Or maybe the > digital sound's sample rate. Or, of course, the file could be (badly done) > mp3 or one of its buds... > >> It may be that the age of real hifi has >> passed, just as the age of the vacuum tube has passed, but I'm hoping >> not (for real hifi. I don't mind the new dominance of transistors.) > > I was around at the transition. And the early solid state amps were, > indeed, pretty nasty. Then somebody discovered how easy and cheap op-amps > were :-( Op-amps were not easy until Nyquist published his famous criterion. So by the time transistors came on the scene that had been done, but most hifi firms didn't want to pay their engineers to read his papers. > > But they've learned how to work with silicon, and things are much better > now. These days, a properly designed solid state amplifier is at least as > good as could be done with vacuum tubes -- and a lot quieter and more > reliable. > >> Thanks for reading to the end of this rant. > > You're welcome :-) > > -- > Glenn English > g...@slsware.com > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.n
Re: Grub2 not setting the vga= on one of 3 partitions
Tom H wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Wayne wrote: I finally have grub 2 installed. Whew. It works for testing but, does not set the vga=31B on the stable entry. Generating grub.cfg ... Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 Warning: update-grub_lib is deprecated, use grub-mkconfig_lib instead Found memtest86 image: /boot/memtest86.bin Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin Found Debian GNU/Linux (sid) on /dev/sda8 Found Debian GNU/Linux (4.0) on /dev/sda9 done The grub2 docs are, to say the least, sparce, and do not seem to have a solution to this problem. I have looked for a file that I could edit to fix this but come up empty. Anyone know where I can find it? Anyone have a pointer it a fix? /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... Which I believe would make that partition, the stable dist, the default. Right? Which is not how I run. I am running testing 99.9% of the time. I only want stable, when I need it. Thanks for the reply! Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Grub2 not setting the vga= on one of 3 partitions
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:13:41AM +0200, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Wayne wrote: > > I finally have grub 2 installed. Whew. It works for testing but, does not > > set the vga=31B on the stable entry. > > /etc/default/grub > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... > With that entry, grub2 will put out a warning message that vga=xxx is deprecated. It is better to use what grub2 recommends. I have the following entry in /etc/grub.d/00_header set gfxpayload=1680x1050x32 You can use vbeinfo from the grub2 prompt to find out the exact modes your hardware supports. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 Nothing makes one so vain as being told that one is a sinner. Conscience makes egotists of us all. -- Oscar Wilde signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Grub2 not setting the vga= on one of 3 partitions SOLVED
Tom H wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Wayne wrote: I finally have grub 2 installed. Whew. It works for testing but, does not set the vga=31B on the stable entry. Generating grub.cfg ... Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 Warning: update-grub_lib is deprecated, use grub-mkconfig_lib instead Found memtest86 image: /boot/memtest86.bin Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin Found Debian GNU/Linux (sid) on /dev/sda8 Found Debian GNU/Linux (4.0) on /dev/sda9 done The grub2 docs are, to say the least, sparce, and do not seem to have a solution to this problem. I have looked for a file that I could edit to fix this but come up empty. Anyone know where I can find it? Anyone have a pointer it a fix? /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=... I run testing primarily. Fixed it. This may be of interest to others using the old grub and upgrading to grub2. As I was using grub-legacy (0.97) I did not require grub on the sid and stable partitions. The one one testing worked for all 3 dists. I had installed grub-legacy on sid and kept a backup menu.list in /boot/grub. I realized that and the fact that I had not done the same on the stable partition. I made a /boot/grub on stable and copied over the menu.list. Ran os-prober ; update-grub ; grub-install /dev/sda and the new/improved/better-then-grub grub2 finally got it right. Stable does not have grub installed because all that was needed was a menu.list file in /boot/grub for os-prober/grub2 to read from. Hope this helps someone. Wayne -- give a man a fish, feed him for a day teach a man to fish, feed him for life -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: usb-key files locked by unknown user
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:42:08 + (UTC) debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > From: green > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: usb-key files locked by unknown user > > Mark Grieveson wrote at 2009-10-15 09:32 -0500: > > Hello. Files on my usb-key (or flash drive, or whatever the correct > > terminology is for these things) are locked for editing by an > > unknown user (they're read only). I'm not sure what's causing > > this, [snipped] > The usb/flash drive probably has the FAT32 filesystem on it, which > does not > support permissions. Is it listed in /etc/fstab? The 'owner' option > there > might fix your problem. Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it, but I still get the locking, with the following message, "Document file 'yourfile.doc' is locked for editing by: Unknown User Open document read-only or open a copy of the document for editing." This is similar to messages I've gotten in the past when I've opened a file in one program and then, without closing that, opened the same file in another program (or simply reopened the file again with the same program) and had my computer tell me that it's being edited elsewhere, and, thus, if I wish to open it for editing, I'll have to open a copy. I don't get this issue on the Windows machines at school. Also, I do make sure that I follow the process for "safely removing storage media" (or whatever the Windows phrase is for unmounting). However, in spite of this, I'm starting to think that it's not unmounting properly from the Windows systems at school, and that this is affecting it here at home. Anyway, it's kind of annoying that I have to open copies of everything when I'm working with the usb-stick at home (on Debian), but have no problems when I work with it on any of the Windows machines at school. So, if there are any further thoughts, just send them my way. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: usb-key files locked by unknown user
Quoth Mark Grieveson at 2009-10-17 12:52... > Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it, but I still get the locking, > with the following message, > > "Document file 'yourfile.doc' is locked for editing by: > > Unknown User > > Open document read-only or open a copy of the document for editing." Have you tried a Google search on your error message? I just did as I've seen it before after someone had Word crash on them. First result is this - which will probably get me chucked off this list just for posting it ;-) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313472 Hope this helps. Cheers M * Retreats to underground bunker. * -- Matthew Smith Smiffytech - Technology Consulting & Web Application Development Business: http://www.smiffytech.com/ Blog/personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy Skype: msmiffy Twitter: @smiffy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Removing a linux-image.
Peter Crawford wrote: I get it. I get it. But 2.6.30 works well. No need to keep 2.6.24. The problem is simply that aptitude in Squeeze is unaware of 2.6.24 and I want to remove it without a hidden legacy. Thanks,... p. crawford Just do a search for the kernel you want to remove and delete all that you find and then run update-grub and you will be fine. Make sure you are awake and don't delete the wrong kernel. :-) -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Testing - EXT4 at sda11 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
K9copy error in Debian-Lenny
I have installed Lenny and attempted to use k9copy only to have my CPU overloaded and a crash finally. The libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1539 last number is different just keeps going on. It seems this has been a problem on Ubuntu - but I can't get any information for Debian, and no fix for this problem. I may be missing something - but what? *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1539 *** *** for info_length % sizeof(cell_adr_t) == 0 *** libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO). libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.IFO). libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP). KCrash: Application 'k9copy' crashing... Any ideas would be appreciated. Thank you, Charlie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Could you recommend CD/DVD writer program?
On 10/16/09, Nick Lidakis wrote: > Since I have been having so much fun using and learing mutt lately, > and since I've been trying to wean myself off of using GUI programs > (GTK and KDE(k3b))) that need a boatload of dependencies, I thought I would > give the debain package cdw a try. > You would probably get more luck by starting a new thread. > Cdw's homepage states that the current version is 0.3.93, with > the last release being this August. Debian's package is 0.3.3. Seems a > bit outdated and the feature set seems limited. > > The "Copy Audio CD" doesn't really copy a cd, it just "Copy audio tracks > from audio CD to separate files on hard disc". I wasn't even able to > get this to work. > > Anybody have any other recommendations for a a good ncurses cd writer > tool? Ideally I would like to be able to do an instant copy (from hda > to hdb) od an audio cd, burn debian and ubuntu iso's, and write data > files to cd and dvd+ and -r. > Not ncurses, but tcl/tk. Tkdvd should be light enough, although it seems missing from Debian's repos. Liviu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
