Re: Making an image of my HDD

[Johannes Wiedersich]

On 2008-07-31 21:55, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Hello gurus,
> 
> I'm considering doing some dangerous tinkering with my laptop.  I have
> regular backups of /root /boot /etc and /home, but would like to make a
> complete image of the drive as well.  Ideally, what I want to do is boot
> from a cd, dd the drive to a file on my workstation via ssh in such a
> way that I can dd it back later if anything goes wrong.  

IIUC, you 'just' need a backup of your system. I'd recommend to rsync
your data to your backup like

rsync -ax / [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/backup/dir/

Do this for all partitions of your hard disk.

(rsync runs over ssh)

In case you have to restore in worst case you'd have to
1) reformat and repartition your hard disk (keep a reference of your
   partition info!)
2) rsync the other way round

This is faster than dd, because only the actual data are transfered,
while dd transfers all the empty space as well. It also saves (a lot of)
disk space on your backup system.

In most cases it is *much* faster than dd, since it's rather unlikely
that you'll break your whole disk, ie. wipe all the data on disk. In
this case, the restore process will only have to replace those files
that are actually changed, ie. broken -- typically only a tiny fraction
of your disk.

YMMV, take care,

Johannes



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Re: Problems in Network printing of pdf

[andy]

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

On 2008-07-29 16:16, andy wrote:
  

Hi all

My wife's machine (Etch) is a client to the print server (on my Lenny
 machine). Using CUPS, the correct address for the printer from her 
machine is: ipp://valhalla.org:631/printers/EPSON


However, when I go to print a pdf document using acroread (the latest
 version for Etch), the settings default to: lpr -P [EMAIL PROTECTED] -o
 Resolution=360x361dpi -o PageSize=A4

Clearly, this is incorrect, but there seems to be no facility in 
which to change this address. Consequently, no pdf can print from her

 Etch machine. All other file types print just fine, and I can print
 pdf from my machine just fine too.



I use 'custom printer'. Within the box that opens I enter 'kprinter'
which will open my 'normal' print dialog for printing. You could
probably enter any command that would print your document from the
command line.

  

The error then is in the address that acroread has defaulted to reach
 the printer, which I am unable to change. The printer is set as the 
system default.


Any ideas on this?



I'd also recommend to use one of the free pdf readers, like kpdf, xpdf
or evince. They are less bloated, ie. faster and more printer friendly
as they also avoid some of the restrictions certain pdfs impose on acroread.

I only use acroread for the very few pdfs that use a pertinacious kind
of DRM, that only works with acroread.

YMMV, just MHO,

Johannes


  
Many thanks Johannes - the kprinter option in custom printer does the 
job just fine.


Cheers for that

Andy

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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Jochen Schulz]

Vwaju:
> 
> Couldn't I add  http://packages.debian.org/sarge to /etc/apt/
> sources.list and then say:
> 
> # apt-get install xlispstat

You could try that but then you'd have to make sure that you don't
install other things from sarge as well without you noticing it. And you
might get dependency problems when packages from etch with packages from
sarge.

My first try would be to fetch the deb and install it via dpkg.  If it
works all is well (except that you don't get security updates for this
package). If dpkg complains about missing dependencies you then have the
choice to either

- install them from sarge as well,
- try whether it works with the packages from etch or
- package it yourself against libraries from etch

Note that every option but the last one leaves you at risk to run into
dependency problems in the future. Problems like these don't break your
system, but it might cost you a few hours to get them resolved.

Another option worth trying is to contact the former Debian maintainer
of the package (Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>). He can probably
tell you whether it's worth trying to port the package to etch (er even
lenny).

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Installing Debian

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Hi,

I'd like to run Debian. So far, I have used mostly Suse, Ubuntu and
Fedora, and I'd like to give Debian a try. I've got a stock PC with a
64-bit capable Intel Celeron, a Via Mainboard, and a 80 GB SATA
harddisk. Opensuse is running fine on it.

OK, I boot with debian-40r4-amd64-netinst.iso, and the installer is not
recognizing my hard drive. The syslog is saying something like this:

Loading PCMCIA adapter bridge driver module: i82365
FATAL: module i82365 not found
Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE
probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE Detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE
Floppy)
end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0

By the way, this computer doesn't have a floppy.

What's going wrong with it?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Gordon


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Re: Installation from a usb drive

[Giuseppe Marinelli]

On Thursday 31 July 2008 19:15:37 Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:17:03 +0200, Giuseppe Marinelli wrote:
> > Hello everybody!
> >
> > Yesterday I tried to install Debian from a usb stick carefully following
> > the instructions reported in the official guide:
> > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
> > and using an Etch and LennyBeta2 iso's.
> >
> > The usb drive boots correctly and starts the installation but when the
> > installer has to locate the iso image it says that the kernel is of a
> > different version from the installer itself and hangs up. The exact
> > message is:
> >
> > No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between
> > the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel available
> > in the archive
>
> To prepare the USB stick for booting, you have to make sure that you
> download the version of boot.img.gz that matches the iso that you want
> to use for installing the system.
>
> For Debian 4.0r4 Etch:
> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/imag
>es/hd-media/boot.img.gz
>
> For Lenny beta 2:
> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/i
>mages/hd-media/boot.img.gz
>
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>   Florian   |

Florian,
thank you for the links. Evidently the boot.img.gz I had downloaded was not 
the correct one. The installation went smoothly.
Thanks again,

Giuseppe 


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Re: Installing Debian

[Pol Hallen]

> Loading PCMCIA adapter bridge driver module: i82365
> FATAL: module i82365 not found
> Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE
> probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE Detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE
> Floppy)
> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
> By the way, this computer doesn't have a floppy.
How time have you waited after these messages?
It's possible that is only timeout..

Also try with the last debian installer:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
 
Pol


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how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[abdelkader belahcene]

Hi everybody,
I want to install flashplugin, Ther is an error on md5sum,   I want  to skip
it, I mean not check it.
I used the --force-all, but it failed


debian225:/home/bela/Desktop# dpkg --force-all-i
flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1_i386.deb
Download done.

md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

The Flash plugin is NOT installed.


thanks for help
bela

Re: error messages from apt-get

[Jochen Schulz]

Jochen Schulz:
> 
> You could try that but then you'd have to make sure that you don't
> install other things from sarge as well without you noticing it. And you
> might get dependency problems when packages from etch with packages from
> sarge.

I meant to write: ...when packages from etch *conflict* with packages
from sarge.

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Re: Installing Debian

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 01 August 2008 11:06:21 Pol Hallen wrote:
> > Loading PCMCIA adapter bridge driver module: i82365
> > FATAL: module i82365 not found
> > Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE
> > probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE Detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE
> > Floppy)
> > end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
> > By the way, this computer doesn't have a floppy.
>
> How time have you waited after these messages?
> It's possible that is only timeout..
>
> Also try with the last debian installer:
> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
>
> Pol

Best will be to desable the floppy in bios settings. Otherwhise, debian 
installer will try 2 times to access the floppy before giing up and continu 
with the installation. This takes time, and it's done, first when detecting 
diks, then when partitionning disks.


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D-I bug? Can someone reproduce it?

[Thierry Chatelet]

Hi,
I did an install of Lenny beta2 on a laptop running Vista. (Had to for my 
boss).. On partitionning, I choose home, tmp, root, usr and var in separated 
partitions. So, the setup was:
sda1,2,3 for $M
sda5 to 10 for debian
The install went smoothly, but on reboot I got a message saying something 
like: No boot device found, please insert ,right at boot time. It never 
went to grub. Using a live CD with gparted, I could see that the installer 
had created a 'super' partition sda4 which was holding in it the 5 linux 
partition, with the booting flag on sda5. I moved the flag to sda4, and the 
ploblem was solved.
Since I had 2 machines to setup, I choose the daily build for the second 
machine. Got to the same problem.
If someone could confirm before filing a bug report agains D-I
Thanks
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Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Friday 01 August 2008 11:06:21 Pol Hallen wrote:
>   
>>> Loading PCMCIA adapter bridge driver module: i82365
>>> FATAL: module i82365 not found
>>> Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE
>>> probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE Detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE
>>> Floppy)
>>> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
>>> By the way, this computer doesn't have a floppy.
>>>   
>> How time have you waited after these messages?
>> It's possible that is only timeout..
>>
>> Also try with the last debian installer:
>> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
>> 
I'm using the following CD image to boot:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4-amd64-netinst.iso

>> Pol
>> 
>
> Best will be to desable the floppy in bios settings. Otherwhise, debian 
> installer will try 2 times to access the floppy before giing up and continu 
> with the installation. This takes time, and it's done, first when detecting 
> diks, then when partitionning disks.
>
>
>   
I disabled floppy in the bios, and it's now not timing out on floppy any
more.

It's still not detecting my disk, though. The installer says "No disk
drive detected".

When I boot Suse, I'm seeing the following kernel modules: via_rhine,
mii, sata_via. I can choose sata_via from the disk drivers list in the
Debian installer, but it does not detect a disk with it. :-(

Gordon


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Re: 2.6.26 + vga=791

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

David Witbrodt wrote:



And I tried vga=0x0317 and get "undefined videomode".


  Bummer.  Just for sanity's sake, did you try "vga=0x317"?



Yes. Same error.

But I did something interesting: I downloaded 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso


And *that* has linux-image-2.6.25-2-686_2.6.25-7_i386.deb which also 
gives me the error. So now I will use the installer and install whatever 
it wants to install and see what it brings me.


Stay tuned.

I got no response to my recent post to debian-kernel:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/07/msg00876.html

Hugo


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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

abdelkader belahcene wrote:
>  
> Hi everybody,
> I want to install flashplugin, Ther is an error on md5sum,   I want 
> to skip it, I mean not check it.
> I used the --force-all, but it failed
>
>
> debian225:/home/bela/Desktop# dpkg --force-all-i
> flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1_i386.deb
> Download done.
>
> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
>
> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.

If the md5sum does not match, it means that there is a problem in the
archive: the files are not what they are supposed to be. This could mean
the download went corrupt, or that someone is doing something nasty.
Even if it is just a problem in the download, a single byte changed, if
it is in a library or executable, can render the program useless and/or
crash your system. That means you definitively should not try installing
the program. Try downloading it again.

Also, I see you are trying to install a Ubuntu package. If your system
is Debian, mixing packages from Ubuntu is not a very good idea.

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Re: [OT] RE: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 - US - Debian mirror?

[kj]

Kumar Appaiah wrote:

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:19 AM, kj wrote:

Stackpole, Chris wrote:

How on earth do Windows Admins sleep at
night with these kind of constant attacks out there?

They disable the log.  At least, that's what the Exchange admins at my one
job did...


Out of curiosity, is it a case of over-confidence that the attacks
can't cause harm, or is it a case of not worrying because ignorance is
bliss? :-)


Probably the latter but the response I got when I enquired was "it takes 
too much space"


...

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RE:Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[abdelkader belahcene]

hi,
I ve just found  codeblocks, that your are looking for I think.
see
http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads

best regards
bela

RE:Re: display on remote machines?

[abdelkader belahcene]

hi,
but I am working on the server , and want to send the dsiplay to remote
machines.
Imagine you want to send  graphical result of a program to several MiniPC,
without keyboard  or mouse, with just a display, on different rooms on hotel
for example.
So you need to run your appl on seveur, and send when necessary the out to
appropriate display.

thanks for help
best regards
bela

Re: 2.6.26 + vga=791

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

David Witbrodt wrote:



And I tried vga=0x0317 and get "undefined videomode".


  Bummer.  Just for sanity's sake, did you try "vga=0x317"?



Yes. Same error.

But I did something interesting: I downloaded 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso 



And *that* has linux-image-2.6.25-2-686_2.6.25-7_i386.deb which also 
gives me the error. So now I will use the installer and install whatever 
it wants to install and see what it brings me.




You guessed it: "undefined videomode"!

Hugo


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Re: i want to make an image copy of my system

[darren naidoo]

Hi there i want to do the above but the partition is a boot partition  and when 
i boot from a disk it says i cannot because i am not root but i am root user.

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Re: 2.6.26 + vga=791

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:02:43AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I reported here on 5/18/2008 that I couldn't use vga=791 with the Debian  
> 2.6.25 kernel, but *could* with the 2.6.25 from kernel.org.

Works here - stock Debian kernel:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux box 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 17:46:56 UTC 2008 i686i GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.25-2-686
linux-image-2.6.25-2-686:
  Installed: 2.6.25-7
  Candidate: 2.6.25-7
  Version table:
 *** 2.6.25-7 0
990 http://debian.attica.net.nz lenny/main Packages
500 http://debian.attica.net.nz sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#

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Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:21:40PM +0800, Star Liu wrote:
> When I develop in windows, I use visual studio.net 2008 as my IDE, if
> I want to develop in Debian, what's the best the IDE for C
> programming?
> thanks!

Have a read of this:
http://linuxgazette.net/152/srinivasan.html

In the end its your decision of course, but it helps if you can make an
informed one.

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Re: i want to make an image copy of my system

[Jochen Schulz]

darren naidoo:
>
> Hi there i want to do the above but the partition is a boot partition
> and when i boot from a disk it says i cannot because i am not root but
> i am root user.

What a pity. I hope you'll get it fixed somehow. ;-)

Seriously, just in case you actually wanted to receive help here: we can
only help you if you state your problem explicitly. That includes what
exactly you are doing, what you expected to happen and what happened
instead.

What we don't know:

- how you want to take an image (program name, command line)
- which filesystem you want to copy
- where you want to put that copy
- how you boot into your system

As a general advice I can only say that you shouldn't try to create an
image from a mounted filesystem. That rules out /. If you want to that,
it's best to boot from a live CD.

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linebreaks and doesn't make it difficult to use a reasonable amount of
punctuation. We aren't texting in here, we try to write proper
sentences.

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Re: error messages from apt-get

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On Aug 1, 6:20 am, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jochen Schulz:
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>
>
> > You could try that but then you'd have to make sure that you don't
> > install other things from sarge as well without you noticing it. And you
> > might get dependency problems when packages from etch with packages from
> > sarge.
>
> I meant to write: ...when packages from etch *conflict* with packages
> from sarge.
>
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Jochen Thank you again for your help with this!

Here's a thought.

I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
only for training (to learn Debian and networking).

 Therefore, maybe I could install the version of Debian that was
current in 2007 (when the book was written).  Would that be "sarge"?

Then, I'm guessing I wouldn't have to deal with this problem of
obsolete packages.  Once I've learned how to build an internet server
without O'Reilly holding my hand, I could update to the current stable
version of Debian.

Assuming this makes sense, how would I get the sarge equivalent of
debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso?

Again, thanks for your very valuable help!

Best Regards,

Vwaju
New York City


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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Chris Davies]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, I see you are trying to install a Ubuntu package. If your system
> is Debian, mixing packages from Ubuntu is not a very good idea.

...because of all the (missing) dependencies, or some other reason?

Cheers,
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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Chris Davies escreveu:

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Also, I see you are trying to install a Ubuntu package. If your system
is Debian, mixing packages from Ubuntu is not a very good idea.



...because of all the (missing) dependencies, or some other reason?
  


Because of dependencies, sure. Not only missing, but there might be 
conflicting dependencies, and Ubuntu packages might make assumptions 
that are not necessarily valid on a Debian system.


But there might be other reasons, too.


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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Eugene V. Lyubimkin]

Chris Davies wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Also, I see you are trying to install a Ubuntu package. If your system
>> is Debian, mixing packages from Ubuntu is not a very good idea.
> 
> ...because of all the (missing) dependencies, or some other reason?
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> 
I think because some Ubuntu changes is not compatible with Debian and
had not been tested in Debian.

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Re: i want to only load certain programs on boot

[darren naidoo]

When my system boots it boots with alot of programs. I want to select what i 
want to load. Thanks

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Re: i want to only load certain programs on boot

[elijah r.]

Hi,

Try:

apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
sysv-rc-conf

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Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[Anton Liaukevich]

Star Liu wrote:

When I develop in windows, I use visual studio.net 2008 as my IDE, if
I want to develop in Debian, what's the best the IDE for C
programming?
thanks!


I'm novice at Debian but I also want to express my opinion. I haven't
still tried Visual Studion .NET 2008. When I began to study C++ (in 2003
year) I have seen that it is very flexible and powerful language but ...
most the majority of compilers don't correctly support these C++
possibilities. Moreover, the majority of C++ libraries are very "crooked".

I have fallen in love with templates and generic programming. Then I was
using MS Visual Studio 6.0 as my compiler and IDE (it was the most
popular in my university) but I have seen that it doesn't support fairly
simple C++ possibilities connected with templates. I was forced to use
Service Pack 5 for VS6.0 but even it couldn't solve the problem. Then I
had tried Borland C++ Builder and I hasn't also liked it.

Then I had downloaded GCC 3.4 and have seen that it (with its
implementation of STL) almost fully support ISO 14882 c++ standard.
Regrettably, I hadn't IDE for it under Windows. After I had heard about
Boost libraries I have being trying to build it under Windows (using
various compilers) but it was very ... very! difficult. Furthermore I 
would like to develop cross-platform libs and apps.


My friends advised me GNU/Linux to be more comfortable for C++ development.

After a very long pause in my developer's life I had even so dared to
install GNU/Linux. I have chosen Debian as a largest distribution with
APT & Debconf and installed it (testing: Lenny).

In Debian I have seen Boost libraries split into a great number of
packages with non-fully-templated libraries precompiled (for 12
architectures). I also in distribution I have found several good C++
libraries for unit-testing, gui, network, xml parsing, database, 
algorithmic, graph theory and other (which is updated constantly if you 
have an access to a Debian mirror).


Firstly, I tried Eclipse together with CDT plugin (included in Debian
distribution). I liked it for it large versatility and independence of
programming language, compiler. Eclipse is very plugingable and has very 
savvy editor (good code-compleption, symbol-browser, error solver). 
However, in practice, it's a very good IDE for Java but when I had being 
trying to develop in C++ (widely using templates) with Eclipse I have 
seen it's not very suitable for C++ development.


Earlier I tried to use Anjuta (a big GNOME C/C++ IDE) but it's has too 
complex build system (using automake, autoconf). Also I tried KDevelop 
(a big KDE universal IDE) (in 2006 year) but I had big troubles with 
debugging.


I want to say that I like to heavily structurize my project's directory 
tree. It looks like that:


bin
build

 [compiler-&-ide-specific project files]

 [compiler-&-ide-specific project files]
...
include
[.h files]
obj
Debug
src
[object files]
Release
src
[object files]
src
[.cpp files]
tests

[nested (complete) project]

[nested (complete) project]
...

Finally, I heared of Code::Blocks IDE. It hasn't included in Debian 
(WHY???) but you can download .deb-package (for i386 & amd64 
architectures) from http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/5.
It is free & open-source (GPL 3.0). It has been developed using 
wxWidgets 2.8 (linux-ports uses Gtk+ as backend) therefore it is fully 
cross-platform (there are releases under Windows including variants for 
use with MinGW).


Code::Blocks has given me pretty good code-completion (such 
code-completion as used for Java in Eclipse is impossible for C++ 
because of templates). It uses good compiler (g++, you can indicate gcc 
version yourself using symlink), frontend for GDB as debugger. 
Code::Blocks has its own build system (doesn't use 
configure/automake/autoconf and creates only one "intermediate" file 
"project.depend") which is very convenient for me. But you can indicate 
your own makefile if you like it. It is very convenient while using such 
distribution as Debian. Such IDE gives me a possibility to create 
project's directory structure I like. Code::Blocks also has plugin 
system but I haven't tried any 3rd party plugin yet.


P.S. Now I'm using C++ (and IDE for it, of course) for implementation 
algorithms (from matrix, graph theories) in "generic" way and 
Code::Blocks is very suitable for me. I think it will be also very 
suitable for rapid development using wxWidgets etc.



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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Hi,

Vwaju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
> O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
> only for training (to learn Debian and networking).
>
>  Therefore, maybe I could install the version of Debian that was
> current in 2007 (when the book was written).  Would that be "sarge"?
>
> Then, I'm guessing I wouldn't have to deal with this problem of
> obsolete packages.  Once I've learned how to build an internet server
> without O'Reilly holding my hand, I could update to the current stable
> version of Debian.
>
> Assuming this makes sense, how would I get the sarge equivalent of
> debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso?

Please note that there are no longer security updates for sarge as of end
of March 2008 [1].  I think it is okay to install sarge for training
purposes if the server is not accessible from a public network.
You can obtain CD images available from [2].

But in my experience it is often not too complicated to transfer the
documentation to newer releases of a software (obviously there are
exceptions to this).  If there are problems you can always ask on the
mailing lists or on IRC.  You would also save yourself from learning
already obsoleted stuff.

Regards,
Ansgar

[1] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/
[2] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/

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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Telemachus]

On Fri Aug 01 2008 @  1:35, Chris Davies wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Also, I see you are trying to install a Ubuntu package. If your system
> > is Debian, mixing packages from Ubuntu is not a very good idea.
> 
> ...because of all the (missing) dependencies, or some other reason?
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris

Because they're not binary compatible. http://tinyurl.com/652qwj

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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Jochen Schulz]

Vwaju:
> 
> I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
> O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
> only for training (to learn Debian and networking).

If it's not publicly available, you could do that. But since lenny is
already on its way, I really don't see a point in that. What exactly do
you need xlispstat for anyway? Couldn't you just go ahead without it?

>  Therefore, maybe I could install the version of Debian that was
> current in 2007 (when the book was written).  Would that be "sarge"?

Etch was released in April 2007, the book probably had an unfortunate
publishing date.

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Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[Eugene V. Lyubimkin]

Anton Liaukevich wrote:
> Finally, I heared of Code::Blocks IDE. It hasn't included in Debian
> (WHY???) but you can download .deb-package (for i386 & amd64
> architectures) from http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/5.
> It is free & open-source (GPL 3.0). It has been developed using
> wxWidgets 2.8 (linux-ports uses Gtk+ as backend) therefore it is fully
> cross-platform (there are releases under Windows including variants for
> use with MinGW).
Just some offtopic about "why" and packaging. When I was only Debian
user, I successfully used Code::Blocks some time - it's convenient IDE
for many purposes. Then I've switched to vim - Code::Blocks became
unneeded to me.

Now I am a new maintainer. I remember I wanted Code::Blocks to be
packaged when I was using it. If are there not only one or two men that
using Code::Blocks nowadays, I will consider packaging it.

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Re: i want to only load certain programs on boot

[elijah r.]

>> When my system boots it boots with alot of programs. I want to select what i 
>> want to load. Thanks

Also, I just remembered: when I was doing something similar a few
months ago, I used a program called bootchart to generate a nice PNG
image file that charted how much time each process took during boot.

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Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[Thomas Preud'homme]

Le vendredi 1 août 2008, Eugene V. Lyubimkin a écrit :
> Anton Liaukevich wrote:
> > Finally, I heared of Code::Blocks IDE. It hasn't included in Debian
> > (WHY???) but you can download .deb-package (for i386 & amd64
> > architectures) from http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/5.
> > It is free & open-source (GPL 3.0). It has been developed using
> > wxWidgets 2.8 (linux-ports uses Gtk+ as backend) therefore it is
> > fully cross-platform (there are releases under Windows including
> > variants for use with MinGW).
>
> Just some offtopic about "why" and packaging. When I was only Debian
> user, I successfully used Code::Blocks some time - it's convenient
> IDE for many purposes. Then I've switched to vim - Code::Blocks
> became unneeded to me.
>
> Now I am a new maintainer. I remember I wanted Code::Blocks to be
> packaged when I was using it. If are there not only one or two men
> that using Code::Blocks nowadays, I will consider packaging it.

I saw an ITP on code::blocks in package WNPP on BTS. Take a look at it, 
you could make a co-maintainance.

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Re: how to avoid cheking md5sum ?

[Chris Davies]

On Fri Aug 01 2008 @  1:35, Chris Davies wrote:
> [Ubuntu packages can't install on Debian] ...because of all the
> (missing) dependencies, or some other reason?

Telemachus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because they're not binary compatible. http://tinyurl.com/652qwj

Ah. Thanks,
Chris


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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[Wayne Topa]

H.S. wrote:


Hi,

On a Debian Testing I just compiled the new module from madwifi-source. 
How do I reload that module without rebooting? lsmod does not list 
madwifi as a module. My current modules are:


<-- SNIP -->

As already answer, your modules for madwifi devices start with ath_.

You will be able to fine 99.95% of your questions about madwifi 
answered. at 



You will find many, many useful tips there as well.

Enjoy

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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[Preston Boyington]

H.S. wrote:


On a Debian Testing I just compiled the new module from madwifi-source. 



I've got to where I am using Module Assistant for this stuff.  It is 
super easy and if you open a terminal and type "sudo m-a" you will be 
able to do everything you need in just a few minutes.


check it out.

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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Vwaju]

On Aug 1, 9:40 am, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vwaju:
>
>
> > I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
> > O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
> > only for training (to learn Debian and networking).

> If it's not publicly available, you could do that. But since lenny is
> already on its way, I really don't see a point in that. What exactly do
> you need xlispstat for anyway? Couldn't you just go ahead without it?

I tried leaving out xlispstat, but next I found that libdb3++-dev is
also missing.  (The search function is down on the Debian sight, so I
don't know what libdb3++-dev is.)

The reason  I'm using the O'Reilly book is my lack of knowledge about
networking.  The book is a "cookbook" -- very short on underlying
theory and explanations of "why".  The idea is that you build the
server using their instructions as a guide, and in the process you
learn what it is that you're actually doing.

If I start leaving things out that are prescribed by the book, in my
present state of ignorance I'll have a difficult time figuring out
what's going on when my results don't conform to the book, and my
progress will be *very slow*.

> >  Therefore, maybe I could install the version of Debian that was
> > current in 2007 (when the book was written).  Would that be "sarge"?

> Etch was released in April 2007, the book probably had an unfortunate
> publishing date.

Was sarge the one before Etch?  Is sarge still available?

Thanks again.

Lou


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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Bob Cox]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 07:37:33 -0700, Vwaju ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

> On Aug 1, 9:40 am, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Vwaju:
> >
> >
> > > I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
> > > O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
> > > only for training (to learn Debian and networking).
> 
> > If it's not publicly available, you could do that. But since lenny is
> > already on its way, I really don't see a point in that. What exactly do
> > you need xlispstat for anyway? Couldn't you just go ahead without it?
> 
> I tried leaving out xlispstat, but next I found that libdb3++-dev is
> also missing.  (The search function is down on the Debian sight, so I
> don't know what libdb3++-dev is.)

http://packages.debian.org/libdb3++-dev shows that this is also
available only in Sarge.

"..Package: libdb3++-dev

Berkeley v3 Database Libraries for C++ [development]

This is the development package which contains headers and static
libraries for the Berkeley v3 database library. This is only for
programs which will use the C++ interface.

Many programs use the Berkeley Database to store their data. Other
versions of the database can be found in the db2, db4.0, db4.1 and db4.2
packages.."

> The reason  I'm using the O'Reilly book is my lack of knowledge about
> networking.  The book is a "cookbook" -- very short on underlying
> theory and explanations of "why".  The idea is that you build the
> server using their instructions as a guide, and in the process you
> learn what it is that you're actually doing.
> 
> If I start leaving things out that are prescribed by the book, in my
> present state of ignorance I'll have a difficult time figuring out
> what's going on when my results don't conform to the book, and my
> progress will be *very slow*.
> 
> > >  Therefore, maybe I could install the version of Debian that was
> > > current in 2007 (when the book was written).  Would that be "sarge"?
> 
> > Etch was released in April 2007, the book probably had an unfortunate
> > publishing date.
> 
> Was sarge the one before Etch?  Is sarge still available?

Yes and yes

http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/

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Re: what's the best IDE for C programming in Debian?

[Star Liu]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Anton Liaukevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Star Liu wrote:
>>
>> When I develop in windows, I use visual studio.net 2008 as my IDE, if
>> I want to develop in Debian, what's the best the IDE for C
>> programming?
>> thanks!
>>
> I'm novice at Debian but I also want to express my opinion. I haven't
> still tried Visual Studion .NET 2008. When I began to study C++ (in 2003
> year) I have seen that it is very flexible and powerful language but ...
> most the majority of compilers don't correctly support these C++
> possibilities. Moreover, the majority of C++ libraries are very "crooked".
>
> I have fallen in love with templates and generic programming. Then I was
> using MS Visual Studio 6.0 as my compiler and IDE (it was the most
> popular in my university) but I have seen that it doesn't support fairly
> simple C++ possibilities connected with templates. I was forced to use
> Service Pack 5 for VS6.0 but even it couldn't solve the problem. Then I
> had tried Borland C++ Builder and I hasn't also liked it.
>
> Then I had downloaded GCC 3.4 and have seen that it (with its
> implementation of STL) almost fully support ISO 14882 c++ standard.
> Regrettably, I hadn't IDE for it under Windows. After I had heard about
> Boost libraries I have being trying to build it under Windows (using
> various compilers) but it was very ... very! difficult. Furthermore I would
> like to develop cross-platform libs and apps.
>
> My friends advised me GNU/Linux to be more comfortable for C++ development.
>
> After a very long pause in my developer's life I had even so dared to
> install GNU/Linux. I have chosen Debian as a largest distribution with
> APT & Debconf and installed it (testing: Lenny).
>
> In Debian I have seen Boost libraries split into a great number of
> packages with non-fully-templated libraries precompiled (for 12
> architectures). I also in distribution I have found several good C++
> libraries for unit-testing, gui, network, xml parsing, database,
> algorithmic, graph theory and other (which is updated constantly if you have
> an access to a Debian mirror).
>
> Firstly, I tried Eclipse together with CDT plugin (included in Debian
> distribution). I liked it for it large versatility and independence of
> programming language, compiler. Eclipse is very plugingable and has very
> savvy editor (good code-compleption, symbol-browser, error solver). However,
> in practice, it's a very good IDE for Java but when I had being trying to
> develop in C++ (widely using templates) with Eclipse I have seen it's not
> very suitable for C++ development.
>
> Earlier I tried to use Anjuta (a big GNOME C/C++ IDE) but it's has too
> complex build system (using automake, autoconf). Also I tried KDevelop (a
> big KDE universal IDE) (in 2006 year) but I had big troubles with debugging.
>
> I want to say that I like to heavily structurize my project's directory
> tree. It looks like that:
> 
>bin
>build
>
> [compiler-&-ide-specific project files]
>
> [compiler-&-ide-specific project files]
>...
>include
>[.h files]
>obj
>Debug
>src
>[object files]
>Release
>src
>[object files]
>src
>[.cpp files]
>tests
>
>[nested (complete) project]
>
>[nested (complete) project]
>...
>
> Finally, I heared of Code::Blocks IDE. It hasn't included in Debian (WHY???)
> but you can download .deb-package (for i386 & amd64 architectures) from
> http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/5.
> It is free & open-source (GPL 3.0). It has been developed using wxWidgets
> 2.8 (linux-ports uses Gtk+ as backend) therefore it is fully cross-platform
> (there are releases under Windows including variants for use with MinGW).
>
> Code::Blocks has given me pretty good code-completion (such code-completion
> as used for Java in Eclipse is impossible for C++ because of templates). It
> uses good compiler (g++, you can indicate gcc version yourself using
> symlink), frontend for GDB as debugger. Code::Blocks has its own build
> system (doesn't use configure/automake/autoconf and creates only one
> "intermediate" file "project.depend") which is very convenient for me. But
> you can indicate your own makefile if you like it. It is very convenient
> while using such distribution as Debian. Such IDE gives me a possibility to
> create project's directory structure I like. Code::Blocks also has plugin
> system but I haven't tried any 3rd party plugin yet.
>
> P.S. Now I'm using C++ (and IDE for it, of course) for implementation
> algorithms (from matrix, graph theories) in "generic" way and Code::Blocks
> is very suitable for me. I think it will be also very suitable for rapid
> development using wxWidgets etc.

I'm really happy to get so much good suggestions, I will try the
following tools one by one, and send my use reports to this mail
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Request for assistance with a bug

[myblog1980]

Apologies for this long message in advance :)

I'm an Ubuntu user who is having an ongoing problem with USB file 
transfers.  This issue also seems to be affecting a significant number 
of other Ubuntu users, and I have also been reading reports of it 
appearing in other distros.  I've reported it to the Ubuntu devs, 
however their investigations only went as far as testing for it on one 
or two computers, not finding it, and labeling it as low priority 
because it's a problem that "only some people get".  Despite repeated 
attempts, I haven't been able to get them interested in investigating 
any further.


This is the issue: USB file transfers start off at full speed, the 
rapidly slow down, to speeds as low as 2mb/s, irrespective of the USB 
device, whether it's flash drive or a HDD.  Many of the users that are 
being affected are experiencing it to different degrees, some get half 
the USB transfer speeds they are expecting, others get the full 
slowdown.  Additionally, it doesn't always happen.  In my experience, 
I've occasionally had a transfer speed at near the expected rate, but 
that's been rare.  This problem also seems to affect Samba and UFS file 
transfers as well.  I've got a DLink DNS-323 and I'm typically getting 
2mb/s transfers over the network when copying files to it, which makes 
backing up my 100GB home folder, somewhat of a pain :)


Furthermore, this problem affects the GUI's responsiveness if a slow 
file transfer is allowed to continue running for a long time.  What 
happens is that performance of the GUI slows to almost the point of 
being unusable, windows are being redrawn in slow motion and key presses 
take seconds to be detected.  At the same time, the CPU is barely 
registering any activity.  Cancelling the file transfer restores the 
system's performance immediately.


Most of the time this problem only shows up when copying a significant 
amount of data, somewhere over 100mb.  Because it requires a lot of data 
to appear, I believe it's actually affecting a lot more users than are 
reporting it since it goes unnoticed while just copying a few text files 
around.


I own two computers, a laptop and a desktop and both are affected, and 
I'm not the only one in the Ubuntu forums who is reporting seeing this 
on multiple computers.  It seems to be randomly affecting all types of 
hardware, Intel, AMD, ATI, nVidia, I've even seen one report of this on 
the eeePC.


This is the Ubuntu bug report:  
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/197762


I recently happened upon a partial solution, that has at least enabled 
me to stop booting a live CD to copy files.  I added "pci=routeirq" to 
my boot options and it restored about 80% of my USB file transfer speed 
on both my computers, though I'm still only getting 10mb/s via Samba to 
the DNS-323, at least it's sustained and it doesn't slow the GUI down, 
so I can live with it.   This solution has also worked to various 
degrees for some of the other people that are affected, but there seems 
to be a new thread starting every other day now relating to this 
problem, so we (the affected users) need to find a permanent solution 
because although this isn't a "critical" problem, the frustration factor 
is huge.


Can anyone help me narrow down what is causing this problem, or at least 
point me towards someone who is capable of investigating it?  At a 
guess, I'd say it's a kernel problem, but I really can't be sure.  I 
need to find a developer who can reproduce the issue, but I don't know 
where to go, since it doesn't affect everyone, and it can be quite 
subtle.  It would also be good to know if any Debian users have hit this 
problem.  I've checked the Debian bug reports but I can't find any 
mention of it, but I could just be using the wrong keywords or package name.


Thanks in advance for any assistance or advice!


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Re: no text in kde with intel vga and acceleration

[LÉVAI Dániel]

Florian Kulzer,
[...]
> > (==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration
>
> Try to set
>
>   Option  "NoAccel"   "false"
>   Option  "AccelMethod"   "XAA"
>
> in the "Device" section and restart Xorg.

Thanks! That did the trick!

Daniel

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64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Account for Debian group mail]

Hello,

I'm a bit of a Moron when it comes to the newer 64 bit Dual-Core
technology. Are there programs out there that can test this new machine
(amd64 dualcore) to see if it is running up to par. That both CPUs are
doing there thing under load before I put this server into service?

And are there some docs that I can look at to help enlighten me on this
subject?

Thanks,

Ken



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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[H.S.]

Wayne Topa wrote:


As already answer, your modules for madwifi devices start with ath_.

You will be able to fine 99.95% of your questions about madwifi 
answered. at 



You will find many, many useful tips there as well.



Thanks for the URL, it seems quite informative.

Regards,
->HS



Enjoy

WT





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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/01/08 11:05, Account for Debian group mail wrote:

Hello,

I'm a bit of a Moron when it comes to the newer 64 bit Dual-Core
technology. Are there programs out there that can test this new machine
(amd64 dualcore) to see if it is running up to par. That both CPUs are
doing there thing under load before I put this server into service?

And are there some docs that I can look at to help enlighten me on this
subject?


What do you mean by "up to par"?

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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[H.S.]

Jaime Tarrant wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:36:09 -0400
"H.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

On a Debian Testing I just compiled the new module from
madwifi-source. How do I reload that module without rebooting? lsmod
does not list madwifi as a module. My current modules are:
$> lsmod
Module  Size  Used by

[snip]

ath_hal   301696  3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
[snip] 

Thanks,
->HS


The Madwifi module is ath_pci - see ath_pci above in your lsmod output.

To reload it, something like the below command, as root, should do the
trick:

modprobe -rv ath_pci && modprobe -v ath_pci

HTH,
Jaime


Thanks for the tips. However, ran in to some problems. Here is what 
happened:

~# /etc/init.d/hostapd  stop
Stopping advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd.
~# lsmod | grep ath
ath_pci   206936  0
ath_rate_sample12384  1
wlan  200912  6 
wlan_tkip,wlan_xauth,ath_pci,wlan_scan_ap,ath_rate_sample

ath_hal   301696  3 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample
~# modprobe  -rv ath_pci
rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko
~# lsmod | grep ath
ath_rate_sample12384  0
wlan  200912  4 
wlan_tkip,wlan_xauth,wlan_scan_ap,ath_rate_sample

ath_hal   301696  1 ath_rate_sample
~# modprobe -v ath_pci
insmod /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko autocreate=ap
FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci 
(/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko): Unknown 
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)



So I just rebooted the machine.

Regards,
->HS


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Frank McCormick wrote:




well said, Frank. well said...


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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Account for Debian group mail]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:

> What do you mean by "up to par"?
>
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>


http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/up+to+par


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Re: [!] 2.6.26 + vga=791

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

I reported here on 5/18/2008 that I couldn't use vga=791 with the Debian 
2.6.25 kernel, but *could* with the 2.6.25 from kernel.org.


Same issue with 2.6.26: vga=791 gets "undefined video mode". Yet it 
works fine with 2.6.26 from kernel.org, so it is clearly a Debian issue.


In the 2 months that have expired noone has been able to shed light on 
this Bug#481063.


Too bad. For me 2.6.26-1-686 is unusable.


But I did something interesting: I recompiled 2.6.26-1-686 but changed 
to .config file to what I use with my homerolled kernel. And guess what: 
vga=791 works!


The problem lies in the .config file that Debian uses and apparently my 
hardware. Something that Maximilian Attems pointed out in 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481063:


...
please enlighten us on the .config changes.
we are *not* carrying any fb specific patches.
...

So now I have to go item by item and investigate the diff in .config 
files, which is vast because with my .config the kernel compiles in 12 
minutes and with the Debian .config it takes 1 hour + 20 minutes!


Hugo


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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Jeff Soules]

>> What do you mean by "up to par"?
> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/up+to+par

I would venture to guess that we understand the expression, but just
don't know what you're talking about.

What specifically about the chip did you want to test?  That it's
operating at the advertised clock speed, that it's computing
successfully, that it is in fact 64-bit...?


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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Jeff Soules wrote:

> >> What do you mean by "up to par"?
> > http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/up+to+par
>
> I would venture to guess that we understand the expression, but just
> don't know what you're talking about.
>
> What specifically about the chip did you want to test?  That it's
> operating at the advertised clock speed, that it's computing
> successfully, that it is in fact 64-bit...?


I'd like to put the computer as a whole under a stress test, performance
test. I can look at the /etc/dmesg and see that the CPS's are up and
running and what the BogoMIPS are (5630.82 on this machine) but this tells
me nothing about how it is going to be when its put into service under
heavy load.

So I'm hoping that there is a Debian program that I can grab, and put this
server into all kinds of test. To make sure both processors are doing what
they should be doing and are they doing it at the same time. To check out
disk reads and writes and what type of speed and transfer rates we have
... to check it out.

Thanks,

Ken


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Re: error messages from apt-get

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 01 August 2008 17:10, Bob Cox wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 07:37:33 -0700, Vwaju ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 9:40 am, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Vwaju:
> > > > I am setting up an internet server as a training exercise, using the
> > > > O'Reilly book referenced at the top of this thread.  The server is
> > > > only for training (to learn Debian and networking).
> > >
> > > If it's not publicly available, you could do that. But since lenny is
> > > already on its way, I really don't see a point in that. What exactly do
> > > you need xlispstat for anyway? Couldn't you just go ahead without it?
> >
> > I tried leaving out xlispstat, but next I found that libdb3++-dev is
> > also missing.  (The search function is down on the Debian sight, so I
> > don't know what libdb3++-dev is.)
>
> http://packages.debian.org/libdb3++-dev shows that this is also
> available only in Sarge.
>
> "..Package: libdb3++-dev
>
> Berkeley v3 Database Libraries for C++ [development]
>
> This is the development package which contains headers and static
> libraries for the Berkeley v3 database library. This is only for
> programs which will use the C++ interface.
>
> Many programs use the Berkeley Database to store their data. Other
> versions of the database can be found in the db2, db4.0, db4.1 and db4.2
> packages.."

> Bob Cox.  Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK.
> Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/

Booting up my Sarge install (also have Etch, and Lenny) synaptic also shows 
other deps when installing libdb3++-dev, which it relies on, mainly:
libdb3++c102, and libdb3-dev (I do already have libdb3 showing as installed, 
so that would no doubt be another dep if not installed, and if it was 
possible to install these packages on Etch).

I suppose it's always a problem having a book that's basing it's instructions 
on a specific version of an operating system (couldn't find any reference to 
xlispstat in Sarge's synaptic though).

OT, but I remember many years ago, when I was a lad, finding a circuit 
diagram, with list of components required for building an amplifier (this was 
in the days of valves (vacuum tubes (the big ones) 5z4g rectifiers, 6v6 
output, and so on), and pressed steel chasis's. The tubes wern't a problem, 
but could I find a transformer with the correct voltages. No way jose. The 
power transformer needed the correct voltages for both LT, and HT, also be 
able to provide enough current for both to satisfy the requirements for the 
amplifier. Needless to say the amp never got built.

I did start the wrong way around though. Rather than finding out if all the 
components were available, I had an old chasis lying around, so fitted the 
various bases for the tubes, wired everything up, all the caps, resistors, 
pots, and so on were in place, but no power transformer, or for that matter, 
an output transformer.

Sorry for the OT ramble off into the distant past, but I suppose it makes the 
point that in today's computer age, things move very fast, and books when 
released, are probably already out of date where the info is for use on 
specific distro versions. It would be nice if everything could just slow down 
a bit.

5¢ worth of rambling.

Nigel.


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installing a package from lenny on an etch machine...

[Rick Thomas]

I want to try running "dibbler" (a DHCPv6 service) on my little home  
network.  It has a couple of Lenny machines and an Etch machine.
The Etch machine will be the server and the Lenny machines will be  
clients.


Unfortunately, Dibbler is only available from the Lenny archives.

I tried copying the dibbler .deb onto the Etch machine and doing  
"dpkg -i" on it, but this is what I got.



# dpkg -i dibbler-doc_0.7.1-1_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package dibbler-doc.
(Reading database ... 97676 files and directories currently  
installed.)

Unpacking dibbler-doc (from dibbler-doc_0.7.1-1_all.deb) ...
Setting up dibbler-doc (0.7.1-1) ...




# dpkg -i dibbler-server_0.7.1-1_powerpc.deb
Selecting previously deselected package dibbler-server.
(Reading database ... 97684 files and directories currently  
installed.)

Unpacking dibbler-server (from dibbler-server_0.7.1-1_powerpc.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dibbler-server:
 dibbler-server depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however:
  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7.
 dibbler-server depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1); however:
  Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.1.1-21.
dpkg: error processing dibbler-server (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dibbler-server



As you can see, the "doc" package installed OK, but the "server"  
package needs a later version of some basic C libraries.


I'd rather not upgrade the Etch machine to Lenny right now.  And I  
really don't want to get into running an Etch Machine with Lenny  
libraries.


So I suspect that what I really need to do is download the "dibbler"  
source package and recompile it on Etch.


Can anybody tell me how to do that?  RTFM is easy if you know what  
parts to read, so if you can point me to the right parts of the FM,  
that will be great!



Thanks!


Rick


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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 09:54:14AM -0700, Account for Debian group mail wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Jeff Soules wrote:
> 
> > >> What do you mean by "up to par"?
> > > http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/up+to+par
> >
> > I would venture to guess that we understand the expression, but just
> > don't know what you're talking about.
> >
> > What specifically about the chip did you want to test?  That it's
> > operating at the advertised clock speed, that it's computing
> > successfully, that it is in fact 64-bit...?
> 
> 
> I'd like to put the computer as a whole under a stress test, performance
> test. I can look at the /etc/dmesg and see that the CPS's are up and
> running and what the BogoMIPS are (5630.82 on this machine) but this tells
> me nothing about how it is going to be when its put into service under
> heavy load.
> 
> So I'm hoping that there is a Debian program that I can grab, and put this
> server into all kinds of test. To make sure both processors are doing what
> they should be doing and are they doing it at the same time. To check out
> disk reads and writes and what type of speed and transfer rates we have
> ... to check it out.

there may be something specific for testing this stuff, but at a basic
level, you can just run top (or one of its variants) while running
some big jobs just to see how the cpus get used. If you hit '1' while
looking at top, it will split some of the cpu info out into two
lines. Maybe you could just run multiple kernel compiles
simultaneously, including one or two that are reading/writing to a
network share and see what happens that way? 

I"m sure someone will come along with a proper tool for this, but
that's my .02

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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[David Fox]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Account for Debian group mail
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to put the computer as a whole under a stress test, performance
> test. I can look at the /etc/dmesg and see that the CPS's are up and

Possibly mprime's torture test? That's at mersenne.org. I've used it
to check a variety of PC health issues.

It'll run for as long as you want. If you get errors, there could be
hardware issues with your RAM, cpu, bus, power supply and so forth.

You can also benchmark and compare your speed with other like machines.

Or maybe a few days of BOINC/setiathome (that's 64 bit, and you can
make it use both cores.)

Those, of course, are cpu tests and don't really test out all the
things in the machine, such as network, disk reads/writes etc.


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Re: installing a package from lenny on an etch machine...

[Luca Bruno]

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Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As you can see, the "doc" package installed OK, but the "server"  
> package needs a later version of some basic C libraries.
> 
> I'd rather not upgrade the Etch machine to Lenny right now.  And I  
> really don't want to get into running an Etch Machine with Lenny  
> libraries.
> 

I agree.

> So I suspect that what I really need to do is download the "dibbler"  
> source package and recompile it on Etch.
> 
> Can anybody tell me how to do that?  RTFM is easy if you know what  
> parts to read, so if you can point me to the right parts of the FM,  
> that will be great!
> 

You should install autotools-dev for first.
Get the source then:
./configure
make

If it compiles it's a good thing and we could work on debianizating it,
but I still won't do "make install" to install it into your system.
Though I don't think developers would put such blocker dependencies that don't 
exist.

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Re: --

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Frank McCormick wrote:




Frank, what an insight!

Hugo


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Re: Request for assistance with a bug

[Arthur A]

myblog1980 wrote:

Apologies for this long message in advance :)



Accepted.



Thanks in advance for any assistance or advice!



Advice

Use less history, and use more details. In your first paragraph you wrote that 
you can't seem to get any dev's interested in your issue. I would leave that out 
entirely. Instead, I would have mentioned what Desktop Environment I use, what 
version, kernel, etc.


If you are using gnome, I would suggest trying to open up a ticket on the gnome 
development bug tracking system.


This is just a guess, but Lenny just went into feature freeze and they decided 
not to use the new gnome files transfer sub-system in Lenny. Therefore, I would 
guess that since you're using Hardy (that's a guess too actually), which uses 
the new gnome file transfer system, Debian dev's are going to have their hands 
full with lenny stuff and won't be jumping all over your problem until they 
start looking at it themselves for lenny +1.


My advice is to create a separate partition, install Ibex and file bug reports 
against Ibex. That is your best bet (IMHO) to getting this issue resolved in the 
next 6 months.


Or, install Lenny, which won't be using the new gnome VFS transfer 
thing-a-ma-bobber, and so probably doesn't have this issue.


Good luck!




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Re: --

[Arthur A]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Frank McCormick wrote:




Frank, what an insight!

Hugo




I actually found it a bit pedantic at times.

Arthur


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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[David Fox]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those, of course, are cpu tests and don't really test out all the
> things in the machine, such as network, disk reads/writes etc.

Another possibility is to run a script that continously compiles a
recent linux kernel, using the -j parameter, upped sufficiently to
ensure that all the memory in the system is exercised. I personally
know an admin that has done that.

Here's one writeup, but references rather old hardware. It might be a
starting point.

http://pygmy.utoh.org/stress.txt

He's only doing one compile job repeatedly through a shell loop, and
obviously his test subjects wouldn't fare well on a make -j # because
there's not enough system ram to get the job done. I'm trying to find
the writeup, but if you ask nicely this gentleman
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) about how to go about this, he might be able to
help.

Also see the linuxmafia knowledge base www.linuxmafia.com/kb although
I can't quite see the writeup he shared sometime ago about it - but it
basically involved running something like make -j 256 on the linux
kernel, in a shell loop, for something like 24 hours. (And that system
was *heavily* loaded !!) ;)


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Apache+PHP-suPHP+Suhosin = chmod Problems

[Jan Zilatny]

Hi!

I'm running a local setup using Debian Etch 4.0, Apache 2.2, PHP 5.2.0 
(suPHP+Suhosin) - all are the default Debian Packages, as my development 
system. The problem I'm having is that all files created by PHP Skript are only 
"chmoded" to 600, so only the user who created them has read access and the 
Apache user can't access and deliver them. 

I think this might have something to do with Suhosin. The files created are 
fine on all the system where I host my files (webhosting accounts).

I've already tried to find out by searching around the web and looking at my 
config files, but can't come up with the cause.


Does anyone have an idea?

Thanks,
Jan







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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Jochen Schulz]

Andrew Sackville-West:
> 
> [...] Maybe you could just run multiple kernel compiles
> simultaneously, including one or two that are reading/writing to a
> network share and see what happens that way? 

To use all cores available when compiling a kernel, you don't need to
run several compilation jobs at the same time. Just set
CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to the number of cores you have.

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> Frank McCormick wrote:
> > 
> 
> well said, Frank. well said...
> 
> 


   Well at least one person here appreciates good writing.

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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Account for Debian group mail]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Jochen Schulz wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West:
> >
> > [...] Maybe you could just run multiple kernel compiles
> > simultaneously, including one or two that are reading/writing to a
> > network share and see what happens that way?
>
> To use all cores available when compiling a kernel, you don't need to
> run several compilation jobs at the same time. Just set
> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to the number of cores you have.

Where do you set this CONCURRENCY_LEVEL at?

Thanks,

Ken


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Regarding Sarge updates

[Nigel Henry]

This is just a comment, as some folks have said that Sarge is a thing of the 
past, no longer supported, etc.

I've just booted my Sarge install to check out deps for a certain package. As 
usual while booted into a distro, I run apt-get update, and Sarge is 
obviously still getting updates as an apt-get dist-upgrade shows 85 upgraded 
packages, and the need to get some 70.2MB of archives.

The last time I ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, according to my 
~/History-files was on 20080109. I can't seriously believe it was that long 
ago, but time passes rapidly these days.

Anyway the thing is that my Sarge still appears to be getting updates, 
although not the current stable (Etch) install.

Also running Etch, and Lenny, but Sid is a bit too near the edge for me.

Nigel.




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wireless LAN problems with recent kernels

[Ansgar Burchardt]

Hi,

I'm using a RaLink RT2500 (PCI) wireless NIC.  It works without problems
with a 2.6.20.1 kernel and the rt2500 drivers.

I did try to update to the Debian 2.6.25 kernel, but there the WLAN
connection makes problems: Sometimes the connection just drops.
dmesg shows this message:

wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c
- assume out of range

The connection is not reestablished automatically, only when I run e.g.
`iwconfig wlan0 essid MyESSID'.  This reconnection also fails sometimes
with the following message showing up in dmesg:

wlan0: authentication with AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c timed out

I admit having sometimes connection problems running the older kernel as
well, but the network works again after a few moments (and without any
manual intervention).  The link quality given by iwconfig is around
50/100, though it sometimes goes down to 30.  Anyway the situation is
much worse with the newer kernel version.

A forum post [1] suggested increasing IEEE80211_MONITORING_INTERVAL in the
kernel sources, but this didn't help much:  The messages do no longer
appear, but the connection is still flaky.

Regards,
Ansgar

[1] http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2081&p=29255

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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Account for Debian group mail]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Jochen Schulz wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West:
> >
> > [...] Maybe you could just run multiple kernel compiles
> > simultaneously, including one or two that are reading/writing to a
> > network share and see what happens that way?
>
> To use all cores available when compiling a kernel, you don't need to
> run several compilation jobs at the same time. Just set
> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to the number of cores you have.


I looks like both CPUs are doing their thing on the kernel compile. Here
is a quick look at the top info:

top - 11:56:30 up 4 days,  3:17,  3 users,  load average: 1.15, 1.19, 0.85
Tasks:  80 total,   2 running,  78 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu0  : 46.9%us,  3.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 46.6%id,  2.6%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  : 41.7%us,  5.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 52.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   3927348k total,  3706124k used,   221224k free,   263100k buffers
Swap:  5076532k total,0k used,  5076532k free,  2570492k cached


Thanks,

Ken


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Re: Request for assistance with a bug

[Jon Dowland]

What you haven't said here but have said on the launchpad bug is that
the issue is specific to nautilus / gvfs. Have you reported it
upstream as Sebastian suggested?


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Re: [Dibbler] installing a package from lenny on an etch machine...

[Tomasz Mrugalski]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 somebody known as Rick Thomas wrote:


As you can see, the "doc" package installed OK, but the "server"
package needs a later version of some basic C libraries.

I'd rather not upgrade the Etch machine to Lenny right now.  And I
really don't want to get into running an Etch Machine with Lenny
libraries.

So I suspect that what I really need to do is download the "dibbler"
source package and recompile it on Etch.

Can anybody tell me how to do that?  RTFM is easy if you know what
parts to read, so if you can point me to the right parts of the FM,
that will be great!
Sure. Download dibbler-0.7.1-src.tar.gz from Dibbler homepage, extract it 
and compile. Since dibbler is developed under Debian I really don't expect 
any troubles.


Or you can read Dibbler User's Guide. There's Linux installation section.
I'm sorry to inform all reading challenged users that latest Dibbler 
release does not yet provide comic user's guide.

(Sorry, I coudn't resist ;)

For totally lazy users, here are the commands:
wget -nd http://klub.com.pl/dhcpv6/dibbler/dibbler-0.7.1-src.tar.gz
tar zxvf dibbler-0.7.1-src.tar.gz
cd dibbler-0.7.1
make client server relay
(or make client if you need client only)

If you want to build DEB packages, download latest CVS snapshot (debian/ 
directory is not distributed with src.tar.gz) and follow 
doc/RELEASE-METHOD (short version is that you must type: 
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot)

Some extra tools for building deb packages will be required.

Hope that helps. Also, Lenny is to be released within a few months. 
Dibbler hopefully will be part of it.


Sorry about being sarcastic. I couldn't resist. User's Guide is really 
plain and simple. :)


Regards,
Tomek


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Re: Trying to understand iptables

[Jon Dowland]

>From the iptables man-page, zipping down to the section documenting
the  "recent" module:

   [!] --seconds seconds
  This  option must be used in conjunction with one of
--rcheck or --update. When
  used, this will narrow the match to only happen when the
address is in the list
  and was seen within the last given number of seconds.

and

   [!] --set
  This  will  add  the  source  address  of the packet to
the list. If the source
  address is already in the list, this will update the
existing entry. This  will
  always return success (or failure if '!' is passed in).

What is slightly confusing is using -I (rather than -A) for the
examples. -I used in this way inserts the rule at the *head* of the
list. So, in this example, the second line is executed first, then the
first one. I presume this was done so that packets arriving once you
have entered the first command are not dropped until you've entered
the second line.

So

iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent \
 --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 -j DROP

* if the packet is tcp and dest port 22 on iface eth0 and is a NEW connection
* if the source IP is in our recent table already
* if the entry was last seen 60 or less seconds ago, only (--seconds 60)
* if the entry has been seen at least 4 times already (--hitcount 4)
* update the recorded time of the last packet in the table to now
* drop this packet

iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent \
 --set

At this point, we can assume the packet was *not* in the table above
with an entry fresher than 60 seconds or 4 hits. This just adds it to
the table, but lets the packet pass through.

2008/7/31 Michael S. Peek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Or to put it another way, how does iptables know how long to remember a
> recent connection?  And can I change that?

That's what the '60' is after --seconds in the second command (first to execute)



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Re: Regarding Sarge updates

[Bob Cox]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 20:09:16 +0200, Nigel Henry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 

> This is just a comment, as some folks have said that Sarge is a thing of the 
> past, no longer supported, etc.
> 
> I've just booted my Sarge install to check out deps for a certain package. As 
> usual while booted into a distro, I run apt-get update, and Sarge is 
> obviously still getting updates as an apt-get dist-upgrade shows 85 upgraded 
> packages, and the need to get some 70.2MB of archives.
> 
> The last time I ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, according to my 
> ~/History-files was on 20080109. I can't seriously believe it was that long 
> ago, but time passes rapidly these days.
> 
> Anyway the thing is that my Sarge still appears to be getting updates, 
> although not the current stable (Etch) install.

Security support for Sarge stopped at the end of March.

http://www.uk.debian.org/News/2008/20080229

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Nikon L18 Support

[Dmitryi & Elf]

Hello,

Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's not  
clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there any  
support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?



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64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[David Fox]

Sorry, I meant to go to the list.



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Date: Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron
To: Account for Debian group mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Account for Debian group mail
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I looks like both CPUs are doing their thing on the kernel compile. Here
> is a quick look at the top info:

Are you doing a plain make or make -j 2 or something else?

The thing is, if you just do a 'make' then one core is mostly going to
be used by the compiler, and the other core might be used for all the
other processes. I just tried it myself. I was looking at top output
and there were plenty of times where one or the other of the cpus were
essentially idle.

Since (I assume) you have a dual core cpu, then each of those cpus may
be able to hyperthread, so you might do a make -j 4.

Here's what I see (just a snapshot of top). I have other cpu-intensive
things running, like setiathome.



Tasks: 170 total,   8 running, 161 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
Cpu0  : 89.4%us,  8.9%sy,  1.7%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  : 87.3%us, 11.3%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.7%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   1932840k total,  1468592k used,   464248k free,12336k buffers
Swap:  1951888k total,40244k used,  1911644k free,   740692k cached

I see you have twice the RAM as I do. If you just do a make (or make
-j 4) your compiler processes are only using up a small portion of the
RAM. How do you go about making sure all that ram is being exercised?
That was my point. (Oh, and the system crashed my X session when I did
a make -j 128 on kernel 2.6.25.9 - chosen roughly at random.)

I noticed while I was compiling with plain 'make' that the memory was
hardly used, most of it was in free (over a gigabyte, with no X server
running) and it slowly drew memory from free and put it into buffers,
so that the cc1 process could be reloaded from there rather than from
disk, I guess. But it (cc1) never really ever used up more than 64
megs (and that's probably a generous upper limit for kernel compiles)
and presumably it was working on that same 64 meg area, although with
VM there's no way to tell.


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Re: installing a package from lenny on an etch machine...

[Mumia W..]

On 08/01/2008 12:17 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:

[...]
As you can see, the "doc" package installed OK, but the "server" package 
needs a later version of some basic C libraries.


I'd rather not upgrade the Etch machine to Lenny right now.  And I 
really don't want to get into running an Etch Machine with Lenny libraries.


So I suspect that what I really need to do is download the "dibbler" 
source package and recompile it on Etch.


Can anybody tell me how to do that?  RTFM is easy if you know what parts 
to read, so if you can point me to the right parts of the FM, that will 
be great!




If you already have the appropriate "deb-src" lines in your 
/etc/apt/sources.list, you can do this:


mkdir ~/dibbler
cd ~/dibbler
apt-get install build-essential
apt-get source dibbler
fakeroot ./dibbler-*/debian/rules binary

That should create a dibbler binary in your home directory. If you need 
to place the deb-src lines in sources.list first, read "man 
sources.list" and "man apt-get"


Note, I have no experience with dibber; these are more or less generic 
instructions for compiling with Debian: 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-sourcepkgs




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Re: display on remote machines?

[Shachar Or]

On Friday 01 August 2008 14:25, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
> hi,
> but I am working on the server , and want to send the dsiplay to remote
> machines.
> Imagine you want to send  graphical result of a program to several MiniPC,
> without keyboard  or mouse, with just a display, on different rooms on
> hotel for example.
> So you need to run your appl on seveur, and send when necessary the out to
> appropriate display.

While this isn't entirely their territory, I would suggest that the LTSP folks 
would know to give you some hints.

http://ltsp.org
>
> thanks for help
> best regards
> bela

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Re: Installing Debian

[Shachar Or]

On Friday 01 August 2008 13:51, Public Mailing Lists wrote:
> Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> > On Friday 01 August 2008 11:06:21 Pol Hallen wrote:
> >>> Loading PCMCIA adapter bridge driver module: i82365
> >>> FATAL: module i82365 not found
> >>> Missing modules 'ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE
> >>> probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE Detection), ide-floppy (Linux IDE
> >>> Floppy)
> >>> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
> >>> By the way, this computer doesn't have a floppy.
> >>
> >> How time have you waited after these messages?
> >> It's possible that is only timeout..
> >>
> >> Also try with the last debian installer:
> >> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
>
> I'm using the following CD image to boot:
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4-amd64-n
>etinst.iso
>
> >> Pol
> >
> > Best will be to desable the floppy in bios settings. Otherwhise, debian
> > installer will try 2 times to access the floppy before giing up and
> > continu with the installation. This takes time, and it's done, first when
> > detecting diks, then when partitionning disks.
>
> I disabled floppy in the bios, and it's now not timing out on floppy any
> more.
>
> It's still not detecting my disk, though. The installer says "No disk
> drive detected".

Try the debian-boot mailing list, perhaps.
>
> When I boot Suse, I'm seeing the following kernel modules: via_rhine,
> mii, sata_via. I can choose sata_via from the disk drivers list in the
> Debian installer, but it does not detect a disk with it. :-(
>
> Gordon

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Re: Making an image of my HDD

[Shachar Or]

On Friday 01 August 2008 10:15, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> On 2008-07-31 21:55, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> > Hello gurus,
> >
> > I'm considering doing some dangerous tinkering with my laptop.  I have
> > regular backups of /root /boot /etc and /home, but would like to make a
> > complete image of the drive as well.  Ideally, what I want to do is boot
> > from a cd, dd the drive to a file on my workstation via ssh in such a
> > way that I can dd it back later if anything goes wrong.
>
> IIUC, you 'just' need a backup of your system. I'd recommend to rsync
> your data to your backup like
>
> rsync -ax / [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/backup/dir/

Does the -x option mean that it will not read mounts like /dev, /proc and 
such?
>
> Do this for all partitions of your hard disk.
>
> (rsync runs over ssh)
>
> In case you have to restore in worst case you'd have to
> 1) reformat and repartition your hard disk (keep a reference of your
>partition info!)
> 2) rsync the other way round
>
> This is faster than dd, because only the actual data are transfered,
> while dd transfers all the empty space as well. It also saves (a lot of)
> disk space on your backup system.
>
> In most cases it is *much* faster than dd, since it's rather unlikely
> that you'll break your whole disk, ie. wipe all the data on disk. In
> this case, the restore process will only have to replace those files
> that are actually changed, ie. broken -- typically only a tiny fraction
> of your disk.
>
> YMMV, take care,
>
> Johannes

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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/01/08 14:09, Dmitryi & Elf wrote:

Hello,

Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's not 
clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there any 
support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?


It almost certainly works either as a storage device or uses the PTP 
protocol.  SANE, though?  I doubt it.


What's the address of the manufacturer's L18 web page?

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respect, and influence, and they also fear for their jobs. Each
can be a healthy motivator, but each has the ability to turn a
good scientist into a bad one; and in some cases, they can turn
a good scientist into a charlatan."
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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Paul Cartwright]

On Fri August 1 2008, Dmitryi & Elf wrote:
> Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's not  
> clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there any  
> support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?

I have a Nikon D60, and I use Digikam to pull the pictures from the camera to 
Debian.. Once you have the camera connected to the USB port, and turned on, 
Debian should bring up a window asking what you want to do with this object..
choose digikam.

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Re: Request for assistance with a bug

[joseph lockhart]

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, myblog1980 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I'm an Ubuntu user who is having an ongoing problem
> with USB file 
> transfers.  This issue also seems to be affecting a
> significant number 
> of other Ubuntu users, and I have also been reading reports
> of it 
> appearing in other distros. 

I have had similar problems with usb transfers in the past, one on an external 
hdd (seagate - there are other problems there such as disk spindown and how the 
firmware responds afterwards that make it of little use for this test) also a 
1GB mp3player which after a few songs transfered the connection drops to a crawl

>  This is the issue: USB file transfers start off at full
> speed, the 
> rapidly slow down, to speeds as low as 2mb/s, irrespective
> of the USB 
> device, whether it's flash drive or a HDD.  Many of the
> users that are 
> being affected are experiencing it to different degrees,
> some get half 
> the USB transfer speeds they are expecting, others get the
> full 
> slowdown.  Additionally, it doesn't always happen.  In
> my experience, 
> I've occasionally had a transfer speed at near the
> expected rate, but 
> that's been rare.  

> Furthermore, this problem affects the GUI's
> responsiveness if a slow 
> file transfer is allowed to continue running for a long
> time.  What 
> happens is that performance of the GUI slows to almost the
> point of 
> being unusable, windows are being redrawn in slow motion
> and key presses 
> take seconds to be detected.  At the same time, the CPU is
> barely 
> registering any activity.  Cancelling the file transfer
> restores the 
> system's performance immediately.

on my system (looking at the output of top and atop suggests a high degree of 
swapping going on during transfers, especially if other actions are being 
preformed at the same time. if this is a part of the problem I cannot say, just 
that it seems to be in my case. (cpu usage is almost 0 but swapping is going on 
like crazy. I would wonder if it closer to a paging error if that is the case



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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/01/08 15:20, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Fri August 1 2008, Dmitryi & Elf wrote:
Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's not  
clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there any  
support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?


I have a Nikon D60, and I use Digikam to pull the pictures from the camera to 
Debian.. Once you have the camera connected to the USB port, and turned on, 
Debian should bring up a window asking what you want to do with this object..

choose digikam.


Since *everyone* knows that GNOME is superior, the *obvious* choice 
is gthumb...


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good scientist into a bad one; and in some cases, they can turn
a good scientist into a charlatan."
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Re: Request for assistance with a bug

[joseph lockhart]

also thought check out
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=105871
seems to be in the sync flag on the new kernels (if i am reading it correctly) 
and also suggests fixes, it may help

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Re: Regarding Sarge updates

[Nigel Henry]

On Friday 01 August 2008 21:22, Bob Cox wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 20:09:16 +0200, Nigel Henry 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > This is just a comment, as some folks have said that Sarge is a thing of
> > the past, no longer supported, etc.
> >
> > I've just booted my Sarge install to check out deps for a certain
> > package. As usual while booted into a distro, I run apt-get update, and
> > Sarge is obviously still getting updates as an apt-get dist-upgrade shows
> > 85 upgraded packages, and the need to get some 70.2MB of archives.
> >
> > The last time I ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, according to my
> > ~/History-files was on 20080109. I can't seriously believe it was that
> > long ago, but time passes rapidly these days.
> >
> > Anyway the thing is that my Sarge still appears to be getting updates,
> > although not the current stable (Etch) install.
>
> Security support for Sarge stopped at the end of March.
>
> http://www.uk.debian.org/News/2008/20080229
>
> --
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> Registered user #445000 with the Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org/

Hi Bob. Thanks for the reply. As I last updated in Jan, it looks like I'm just 
getting security updates until they ended at the end of March.

Not sure where to go now. I don't like ditching old, unsupported distros, as 
sometimes folks who are still using them ask questions, and it's nice to be 
able to boot up Sarge for example, and answer their questions, if possible.

I know that Lenny is going stable soon. What is the name for the new testing 
version??

Thanks for your reply.

Nigel.


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Xfce removable media handling

[David Berg]

I'm using Xfce4 in Lenny and would like to see icons pop up for
removable media when it is plugged in.  I've configured udev and
autofs so that the media is mounted when I plug it in, but I'm not
getting the desktop/file manager icons in Xfce.

The only info I can get from Xfce is a complaint that "Either the Xfce
File Manager was not build with support for D-BUS, or the D-BUS
service wasn't installed properly." when I try to open the file
manager preferences dialog.

D-BUS is installed and running, as is HAL.  Can anyone tell me if the
package has support for this, or what I could do to fix it?

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Re: Cannot switch to VT (console)

[Michal R. Hoffmann]

On 30/07/08 22:15, Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:17:35 +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:

On 27/07/08 20:40, Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 23:41:37 +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:

On 23/07/08 14:38, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

Recently I tried to switch to VT (console) and I couldn't -   
Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't work (and they used to couple of weeks ago). I 
 don't even know where to look for the problem; xev detects 
KeyRelease XF86_Switch_VT_1 event, /etc/inittab contain getty 
respawns.

Does is also report the KeyPress event for XF86_Switch_VT_1?

No, only KeyRelease.

Interesting, the KeyPress event seems to be intercepted, but X does not
act on it. You could try to run
tail -fn0 /var/log/Xorg.0.log

in an X terminal and check if anything is appended to the Xorg log when
you press CTRL+ALT+F1.


Nothing. It returns nothing.

[cut]


I agree with you that it should work like that. Maybe you have to try a
simpler configuration now, and then you can gradually add all the above
options to find out which one breaks the VT switching. As far as I can
tell, they should all be defined, but maybe they are not all compatible
(which could be a bug).


I have to do some tests tomorrow (too tired now). I found that it 
doesn't matter if I'm logged in or not (I use GDM / Gnome) - it's all 
the same. So probably it's something about Xorg. Maybe my keyboard 
settings (it's Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, UK version):


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "XkbRules""xorg"
Option  "XkbModel""pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout"   "uk"
EndSection

Or maybe it is a bug.

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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Jochen Schulz]

Please don't CC people unless requested. Thanks.

Account for Debian group mail:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> To use all cores available when compiling a kernel, you don't need to
>> run several compilation jobs at the same time. Just set
>> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to the number of cores you have.
> 
> Where do you set this CONCURRENCY_LEVEL at?

It's a regular environment variable, the best place is probably
~/.bashrc:

export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2

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Re: 64 bit Dual-Core Moron

[Jochen Schulz]

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>> Andrew Sackville-West:
>> 
>> To use all cores available when compiling a kernel, you don't need to
>> run several compilation jobs at the same time. Just set
>> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to the number of cores you have.
> 
> 
> I looks like both CPUs are doing their thing on the kernel compile. Here
> is a quick look at the top info:
> 
> top - 11:56:30 up 4 days,  3:17,  3 users,  load average: 1.15, 1.19, 0.85
> Tasks:  80 total,   2 running,  78 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu0  : 46.9%us,  3.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 46.6%id,  2.6%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
> Cpu1  : 41.7%us,  5.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 52.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st

No, it looks like both cores are idle about 50% of the time. This
happens because the kernel tries to distribute load evenly to all
available CPUs.

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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[Wayne Topa]

H.S. wrote:

Wayne Topa wrote:


As already answer, your modules for madwifi devices start with ath_.

You will be able to fine 99.95% of your questions about madwifi 
answered. at 



You will find many, many useful tips there as well.



Thanks for the URL, it seems quite informative.


Your Welcome.

  If you spend a lot of time reading all the info on that site you'll be
able to do some real wild things.  I had an old 770 Thinkpad running as
an access point for the whole house and yard.  Every linux box here (6) 
has madwifi cards running.  The docs for this are far better then the 
Manuf. supply.  Currently running an old 586 box as the AP because the 
pci card antenna has more coverage outside the house.


WT



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Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting

[H.S.]

Wayne Topa wrote:



  If you spend a lot of time reading all the info on that site you'll be
able to do some real wild things.  I had an old 770 Thinkpad running as
an access point for the whole house and yard.  Every linux box here (6) 
has madwifi cards running.  The docs for this are far better then the 
Manuf. supply.  Currently running an old 586 box as the AP because the 
pci card antenna has more coverage outside the house.


WT



I see what you have done. I am running a Dlink (DWL-G520) card as an 
excess point using this driver. This card is installed on an old Pentium 
III computer which connects to my ADSL modem and acts as a router to my 
home LAN. The wireless LAN and wired LANs live on separate networks.


The best part is that doing this and configuring an iptables firewall 
has given me wonderful knowledge and insights about computer networking.



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Phoenix-awardbios Setup AMD64 Dual Core

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Hello,

In the bios setup for this computer there is one item I don't know about:

Virtualization Technology {enabled / disabled] (I have set it to enabled).

On the side bar it states:

VT enables a CPU feature to run multiple simultaneous virtual machines
allowing specialized software to run in full isolation of each other.
HP recommends disabling this feature unless specialized applications are
being used.


As stated above I "enabled" this but does anyone know if this is the
correct setting? for a AMD64 Dual Core machine running kernel-image
vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and 4 Gigs of ram.

Thanks,

Ken



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Re: Phoenix-awardbios Setup AMD64 Dual Core

[David Fox]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Account for Debian group mail
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As stated above I "enabled" this but does anyone know if this is the
> correct setting? for a AMD64 Dual Core machine running kernel-image
> vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and 4 Gigs of ram.

I don't see how it would hurt things if it were left enabled. It
shouldn't affect anything and if you have it enabled you can use
virtualization which your cpu supports (real hardware virtualization)
and can explore things like xen, vmware, virtualbox and stuff like
that.

I'm thinking of trying it too now that I have a machine that's
powerful enough to do it.


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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Marc Shapiro]

Dmitryi & Elf wrote:

Hello,

Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's 
not clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there 
any support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?



My L11 can connect as a USB mass storage, or PTP.  I use gtkam with it.

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Re: Phoenix-awardbios Setup AMD64 Dual Core

[Ron Johnson]

On 08/01/08 17:00, Account for Debian group mail wrote:

Hello,

In the bios setup for this computer there is one item I don't know about:

Virtualization Technology {enabled / disabled] (I have set it to enabled).

On the side bar it states:

VT enables a CPU feature to run multiple simultaneous virtual machines
allowing specialized software to run in full isolation of each other.
HP recommends disabling this feature unless specialized applications are
being used.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifica_(virtual_machine)#AMD_virtualization_.28AMD-V.29



As stated above I "enabled" this but does anyone know if this is the
correct setting? for a AMD64 Dual Core machine running kernel-image
vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 and 4 Gigs of ram.


If it were my computer, I'd leave it on.  You can always disable it 
if you get weird install or boot issues.


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Re: wireless LAN problems with recent kernels

[Houou Rinne]

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Ansgar Burchardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ansgar Burchardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: wireless LAN problems with recent kernels
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:26 AM
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using a RaLink RT2500 (PCI) wireless NIC.  It works
> without problems
> with a 2.6.20.1 kernel and the rt2500 drivers.
> 
> I did try to update to the Debian 2.6.25 kernel, but there
> the WLAN
> connection makes problems: Sometimes the connection just
> drops.
> dmesg shows this message:
> 
> wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c
> - assume out of range
> 
> The connection is not reestablished automatically, only
> when I run e.g.
> `iwconfig wlan0 essid MyESSID'.  This reconnection also
> fails sometimes
> with the following message showing up in dmesg:
> 
> wlan0: authentication with AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c timed
> out
> 
> I admit having sometimes connection problems running the
> older kernel as
> well, but the network works again after a few moments (and
> without any
> manual intervention).  The link quality given by iwconfig
> is around
> 50/100, though it sometimes goes down to 30.  Anyway the
> situation is
> much worse with the newer kernel version.
> 
> A forum post [1] suggested increasing
> IEEE80211_MONITORING_INTERVAL in the
> kernel sources, but this didn't help much:  The
> messages do no longer
> appear, but the connection is still flaky.
> 
> Regards,
> Ansgar
> 
> [1]
> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2081&p=29255
> 
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I'm using the same wireless card and not having any problems with the 2.6.25 
kernel. Are you using the legacy drivers or the ones in the kernel? (kernels 
2.6.24 and newer have the beta drivers in that really aren't very good yet)


  


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Re: wireless LAN problems with recent kernels

[Robin]

2008/8/1 Ansgar Burchardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using a RaLink RT2500 (PCI) wireless NIC.  It works without problems
> with a 2.6.20.1 kernel and the rt2500 drivers.
>
> I did try to update to the Debian 2.6.25 kernel, but there the WLAN
> connection makes problems: Sometimes the connection just drops.
> dmesg shows this message:
>
>wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c
>- assume out of range
>
> The connection is not reestablished automatically, only when I run e.g.
> `iwconfig wlan0 essid MyESSID'.  This reconnection also fails sometimes
> with the following message showing up in dmesg:
>
>wlan0: authentication with AP 00:13:49:d7:ab:7c timed out
>
> I admit having sometimes connection problems running the older kernel as
> well, but the network works again after a few moments (and without any
> manual intervention).  The link quality given by iwconfig is around
> 50/100, though it sometimes goes down to 30.  Anyway the situation is
> much worse with the newer kernel version.
>
> A forum post [1] suggested increasing IEEE80211_MONITORING_INTERVAL in the
> kernel sources, but this didn't help much:  The messages do no longer
> appear, but the connection is still flaky.
>
> Regards,
> Ansgar
>
> [1] http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2081&p=29255
>
> --

I'm not sure if you mean the rt2500 drivers  as in the debian
packages. Also I have a rt73 so what follows may not apply.
I think the rt* series have been included in the kernel as of 2.6.24.
Prior to 2.6.24 I used the enhanced legacy drivers from serialmonkey
and have gone back to them in preference to the in-kernel package
modules as they performed much better, between 2 and 8 times the
throughput. You will need the linux-headers package to build them and
to rmmod the in-kernel modules before modprobe 'ing the legacy driver.
The legacy module name in my case is rt73, the kernel ones are rt73pci
or rt73usb.




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Re: --

[Robin]

2008/8/1 Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Preston Boyington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Frank McCormick wrote:
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>> well said, Frank. well said...
>>
>>
>
>
>   Well at least one person here appreciates good writing.
>
> Cheers
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[OT] ( Was Re: Nikon L18 Support)

[Robin]

2008/8/1 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Since *everyone* knows that GNOME is superior...-*


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-* that is superior as in the Gnome developers knowing what's best for
mere users? :)

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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Allan Wind]

On 2008-08-01T14:09:06, Dmitryi & Elf wrote:
> Nikon L18 looks like a decent and relatively cheap camera, but, it's not  
> clear whether it can connect in USB storage device mode. Is there any  
> support for this camera via SANE or any other interface?

I have not used that model, but had no problems accessing older ones and 
their DSLRs as USB storage devices.  It may take a configuration change.

 
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Re: Nikon L18 Support

[Allan Wind]

On 2008-08-01T15:31:17, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Since *everyone* knows that GNOME is superior, the *obvious* choice 
> is gthumb...

It is not clear to me if you are plugging or dishing gthumb.

gthumb is not very usable while building thumb index files for a large 
collection of images (1000s).  Once it gets past that I have not found
anything better to process a batch of images (slide show with manual 
navigation, preview image, loss-less jpeg rotate, delete).


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