Re: Sliding OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/02/08 23:28, Marc Shapiro wrote: [snip] > Wine is fermented from fruit. > Distilled wine is brandy. > Beer is fermented from grain. > Distilled beer is whiskey. Corn beer? > Sake is fermented from rice. Rice is a grain. Sake is a beer. > Mead is fermented from honey. > - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.", Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIROzwS9HxQb37XmcRArWAAKCSgYbJO3P7EWWhUD2oJ4WgsWtyCgCfQVbs aY5tEw+UzWVXFFXv8jHawSQ= =ZJG+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sliding OT
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/02/08 23:28, Marc Shapiro wrote: [snip] Wine is fermented from fruit. Distilled wine is brandy. Beer is fermented from grain. Distilled beer is whiskey. Corn beer? Technically, yes. Sake is fermented from rice. Rice is a grain. Sake is a beer. Mead is fermented from honey. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hallo Debian
Hallo Debian, ich habe eine Live CD von Debian, wenn ich von der CD boote, öffnet sich ein Fenster mit Login und Passwort, wie lauten die ? Gruß Sommer - Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang.
Re: Uninstall programs installed in wine.
On Monday 02 June 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 12:15:17AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > ... > > What can you expect from me. I grew up in the Village of West > Toronto Junction, which until sometime in the 1980's was the last > officially, by-law, dry community in Canada. > I believe that there are still a number of dry communities in Nunavut. There certainly were when I did some packpacking there in the 1980s (although it was still part of the Northwest Territories then). -Chris > ... | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox in 32-bit chroot
On 02/06/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 07:24:05PM -0500, Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote: > > On 29/05/2008, Todd A. Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm attempting to run firefox in a 32-bit chroot > > > > Why? Do you really need to do this? Or is this just one of those > > things you want to do for the geek points? > > If he's running Etch amd64, what other alternative is there? Last I > looked, the wrapper package (whatever the name is) can't be back-ported > from Lenny. I beg your pardon? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/nspluginwrapper HTH, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script for when system was last updated
On Monday 02 June 2008 22:57, Mumia W.. wrote: > On 06/02/2008 01:14 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > > [...] > > Could someone suggest a script I could put in ~/.kde/autostart that would > > put up an xmessage saying when the system was last updated, when I boot > > up Lenny? > > > > Much appreciation to all you scripting gurus out there. > > > > Nigel. > > I'm hardly a scripting guru, but this may help you a bit: > > #!/bin/bash > hist_files="$HOME/tmp/tmp/history-files" > lastupd=`ls $hist_files | sort -n | tail -1` > xmessage "The system was last updated on $lastupd" Hi. Thanks for the little script. I have a problem understanding the hist_files= line. The xmessage just says "The system was last updated on", and no date of the lastupdate is mentioned. I ran ls /home/djmons/History-files | sort -n | tail -1, and the date of the latest file is printed out in the shell, so that bit is working ok. I did change history-files to History-files on the hist_files= line, to reflect the correct name for the directory where the history files are kept, but no change. What does the /tmp/tmp signify on that line. It seems as if the path to where the history files are is not correct. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aptitude Install Error
James Richardson wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: Today I did a pretty bonehead move. I was trying to do a chown on a directory in /var and I ended up chowning the whole /var/ directory to www-data. Of course, right when I hit the enter key I knew I screwed up. I went and did a chown to root for /var assuming that was the best bet. Throughout the day reading the log messages and errors, I think I have fixed almost everything back to the way it should be or at least to what appears to be working. But, I just did an aptitude safe-upgrade (this is on a Lenny system) and got an fopen error. Does this have anything to do with my /var messup? I looked through the 6 packages that got upgraded and it does not appear they write anything to the /var directory. Here is what I got from running the aptitude command: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # aptitude safe-upgrade -DV Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done [snip] Processing triggers for man-db ... /var/man needs to be owned by man (# chown -R man:root /var/man fopen: Permission denied [snip] Any help would be appreciated. On a side note, is there anyway for me to see what all of the permissions on /var should be? Jeff I don't have a /var/man directory. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script for when system was last updated (Resolved)
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 14:12, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Monday 02 June 2008 22:57, Mumia W.. wrote: > > On 06/02/2008 01:14 PM, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > [...] > > > Could someone suggest a script I could put in ~/.kde/autostart that > > > would put up an xmessage saying when the system was last updated, when > > > I boot up Lenny? > > > > > > Much appreciation to all you scripting gurus out there. > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > I'm hardly a scripting guru, but this may help you a bit: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > hist_files="$HOME/tmp/tmp/history-files" > > lastupd=`ls $hist_files | sort -n | tail -1` > > xmessage "The system was last updated on $lastupd" > > Hi. Thanks for the little script. I have a problem understanding the > hist_files= line. The xmessage just says "The system was last updated on", > and no date of the lastupdate is mentioned. > > I ran ls /home/djmons/History-files | sort -n | tail -1, and the date of > the latest file is printed out in the shell, so that bit is working ok. > > I did change history-files to History-files on the hist_files= line, to > reflect the correct name for the directory where the history files are > kept, but no change. What does the /tmp/tmp signify on that line. It seems > as if the path to where the history files are is not correct. > > Nigel. Well, I appear to have resolved the problem by commenting out the hist_files= line, and changing the lastupd= line, as below. lastupd=`ls /home/djmons/History-files | sort -n | tail -1` xmessage "Last updated on $lastupd" Now the xmessage displays correctly with the date of last update. Thanks for the help with the script. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lenny, xterm,rxvt, ncurses programs do not act on terminal size change
Hi, I've noticed some time ago that when I change terminal size(both urxvt,xterm) ncurses programs running inside do not get this information or do not act on this information. Is anyone else having the same problem? Is it some problem with the terminals or is it a problem with ncurses? It used to work just fine. Now even when I run screen refresh(usually ^L) from inside a program, it still displays it's output using the old screen size. thanks for your help mk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(solved)Re: problem with Chinese file names
You are right! Thanks! --- Fan Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > You probably need the utf8 option added when mounting the FAT > partition. > > Here's an example from my /etc/fstab > > /dev/sda1 /media/disk vfat rw,utf8,auto 0 1 > > Cheers, > Fan > > On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 09:39:18PM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: > > I can use Chinese file names in sarge. > > And I can use Chinese file names in Chinese Windows 2000 > > The problem is inter-operate > > > > In sarge I can't use files with Chinese names in FAT partition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Fan Liu > Ph.D Student of Star Formation in Galaxies Group, > Purple Mountain Observatory, > 2# West Beijing Road, Nanjing, China > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Homepage: http://sfig.pmo.ac.cn/~fliu/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aptitude Install Error
Jeff Grossman wrote: > James Richardson wrote: >> Jeff Grossman wrote: >> >>> Today I did a pretty bonehead move. I was trying to do a >>> chown on a directory in /var and I ended up chowning the whole >>> /var/ directory to www-data. Of course, right when I hit the >>> enter key I knew I screwed up. I went and did a chown to root >>> for /var assuming that was the best bet. Throughout the day >>> reading the log messages and errors, I think I have fixed >>> almost everything back to the way it should be or at least to >>> what appears to be working. But, I just did an aptitude >>> safe-upgrade (this is on a Lenny system) and got an fopen >>> error. Does this have anything to do with my /var messup? I >>> looked through the 6 packages that got upgraded and it does >>> not appear they write anything to the /var directory. Here >>> is what I got from running the aptitude command: >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # aptitude safe-upgrade -DV >>> Reading package lists... Done >>> Building dependency tree >>> Reading state information... Done >>> Reading extended state information >>> Initializing package states... Done >>> Reading task descriptions... Done >>> >> [snip] >> >>> Processing triggers for man-db ... >>> >> /var/man needs to be owned by man (# chown -R man:root /var/man >> >> >>> fopen: Permission denied >>> >> [snip] >> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> On a side note, is there anyway for me to see what all of the >>> permissions on /var should be? >>> >>> Jeff >>> >> >> >> > I don't have a /var/man directory. > I don't either. I should have written /var/cache/man. I really should have been in bed. ;) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Problems with Gnome appearance.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After months of using IceWm, I installed gnome-core to get some of the functions only available with Gnome. Now eveytime I use the appearance item on the menu, when I am finished, gnome-appearance stays running, consuming 50% of cpu. I have to kill it. Does anyone have solutions ? Is it bug-filing time? It seems to me I had this problem way back when I was running Ubuntu. Frank - -- Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhFR0QACgkQnQV1aTcQlJugegCaA/1EH+3wjDq0GwHe4vnP0GA4 EwIAnRFFyU+hcRugLMbwM/l6Lr9AWIzF =tR3W -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lenny, xterm,rxvt, ncurses programs do not act on terminal size change
Hi, > I've noticed some time ago that when I change terminal size(both urxvt,xterm) > ncurses programs running inside do not get this information or do not act on > this information. Is anyone else having the same problem? Is it some problem > with the terminals or is it a problem with ncurses? It used to work just fine. > Now even when I run screen refresh(usually ^L) from inside a program, it still > displays it's output using the old screen size. it looks like the SIGWINCH signal does not reach the curses-based application. Maybe it's blocked? (check the SigBlk mask in /proc//status) This reminds me of #392870, but that one was fixed long ago... You could try 'kill -SIGWINCH ' to narrow it down. Regards, Jan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Can't turn off screen blanking
I'm using Sid on a Thinkpad Z61M. I can't turn off screen blanking, which happens after about 10 min. I don't have either KDE or Gnome; just icewm. I've used "xset s noblank" and "xset -dpms" and I've removed xscreensaver; no luck. I can't see anything in the BIOS that I can turn off. Any ideas? Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hallo Debian
Hi, Claudia, This is an English-speaking list; if you need help in German, you should contact debian-user-de. Dies ist eine Englishsprechende Liste; wenn Sie Deutsche Hilf brauchen, emailen Sie bitte die Liste debian-user-de. (I apologize to everyone in .de for my German) On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 01:14:31PM +0200, Claudia Sommer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Hallo Debian, > ich habe eine Live CD von Debian, wenn ich von der CD boote, öffnet sich ein > Fenster mit Login und Passwort, wie lauten die ? [ the user has a live CD of Debian that pops up a window asking for user-name and password on boot and wants to know what they are ] I don't know. Where did you get the live CD from? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aptitude Install Error
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:29:59 -0400 James Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Jeff Grossman wrote: > > James Richardson wrote: > >> Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> > >>> Today I did a pretty bonehead move. I was trying to do a > >>> chown on a directory in /var and I ended up chowning the whole > >>> /var/ directory to www-data. Of course, right when I hit the > >>> enter key I knew I screwed up. I went and did a chown to root > >>> for /var assuming that was the best bet. Throughout the day > >>> reading the log messages and errors, I think I have fixed > >>> almost everything back to the way it should be or at least to > >>> what appears to be working. But, I just did an aptitude > >>> safe-upgrade (this is on a Lenny system) and got an fopen > >>> error. Does this have anything to do with my /var messup? I > >>> looked through the 6 packages that got upgraded and it does > >>> not appear they write anything to the /var directory. Here > >>> is what I got from running the aptitude command: > >>> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # aptitude safe-upgrade -DV > >>> Reading package lists... Done > >>> Building dependency tree > >>> Reading state information... Done > >>> Reading extended state information > >>> Initializing package states... Done > >>> Reading task descriptions... Done > >>> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> Processing triggers for man-db ... > >>> > >> /var/man needs to be owned by man (# chown -R man:root /var/man > >> > >> > >>> fopen: Permission denied > >>> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> Any help would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> On a side note, is there anyway for me to see what all of the > >>> permissions on /var should be? > >>> > >>> Jeff > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > I don't have a /var/man directory. > > > I don't either. I should have written /var/cache/man. I really should have > been in bed. ;) /var/cache/man is owned by man:root. Maybe aptitude or the installation took care of it last night when I did the upgrade. I guess I can try doing an install on man-db again to see if I get the error again. Thanks for your help. Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script for when system was last updated (Resolved)
On 06/03/2008 08:06 AM, Nigel Henry wrote: [...] lastupd=`ls /home/djmons/History-files | sort -n | tail -1` xmessage "Last updated on $lastupd" Now the xmessage displays correctly with the date of last update. Thanks for the help with the script. Nigel. Sure, glad to be of help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hallo Debian
Hallo Claudia, Du hast an eine englischsprache liste gepostet, besser ist es wenn Du in deutsch an <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> postest Welche Live-CD hast Du? Ubuntu? Koppix? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't turn off screen blanking -SOLVED
On 03 Jun 2008, Anthony Campbell wrote: > I'm using Sid on a Thinkpad Z61M. I can't turn off screen blanking, > which happens after about 10 min. I don't have either KDE or Gnome; just > icewm. > > I've used "xset s noblank" and "xset -dpms" and I've removed > xscreensaver; no luck. I can't see anything in the BIOS that I can turn > off. Any ideas? > > Anthony > Following up to myself, I realized that I'd misinterpreted the man page. "xset s noblank" doesn't do what I supposed it did; I should have used "xset s off", which works. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hallo Debian
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 22:33:58 Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hallo Claudia, > > Du hast an eine englischsprache liste gepostet, besser ist es wenn Du in > deutsch an <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> postest > > Welche Live-CD hast Du? Ubuntu? Koppix? Could be Mepis or DSL Mihira. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Local Exim and reportbug
Hello list! I have a few Debian systems at home, and my own domain name with e-mail set up (that's the domain I'm posting this from). The SMTP server that sends mail outwards (I'm running Sendmail on Etch) uses SMTP authentication to avoid being an open relay. I use GSSAPI authentication with krb5. What would be the best way, then, to use programs such as reportbug on machines other than the SMTP host? The problems I'm running into are the following: * Normally, the exim4 installation has remote forwarding completely turned off. * To try and solve that problem, I have tried to turn on smarthost forwarding, using my normal SMTP server as the smarthost, but that does not work, since the internal Exims cannot authenticate to the server. How best to solve this? I have found the `--smtphost' option for reportbug, but I cannot find whether it can use GSSAPI authentication, and I don't want to report a dummy bug just to test. Does anyone know? Besides that, is there a way to get the local Exim to authenticate properly to the smarthost (using GSSAPI)? After all, there are lots of programs aside from reportbug that use the local MTA program to send mail. Thank you for your attention! Fredrik Tolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Local Exim and reportbug
Fredrik Tolf escreveu: Hello list! I have a few Debian systems at home, and my own domain name with e-mail set up (that's the domain I'm posting this from). The SMTP server that sends mail outwards (I'm running Sendmail on Etch) uses SMTP authentication to avoid being an open relay. I use GSSAPI authentication with krb5. What would be the best way, then, to use programs such as reportbug on machines other than the SMTP host? The problems I'm running into are the following: * Normally, the exim4 installation has remote forwarding completely turned off. * To try and solve that problem, I have tried to turn on smarthost forwarding, using my normal SMTP server as the smarthost, but that does not work, since the internal Exims cannot authenticate to the server. How best to solve this? I have found the `--smtphost' option for reportbug, but I cannot find whether it can use GSSAPI authentication, and I don't want to report a dummy bug just to test. Does anyone know? Besides that, is there a way to get the local Exim to authenticate properly to the smarthost (using GSSAPI)? After all, there are lots of programs aside from reportbug that use the local MTA program to send mail. exim has several ways to authenticate to other hosts it talk to, so I suppose it should be possible to do that. But are the hosts all in the same network? In this case you could set up the main exim server to allow relaying from those hosts in the internal network without the need for authentication. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with Gnome appearance.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/08 08:29, Frank McCormick wrote: > > After months of using IceWm, I installed gnome-core to get some of the > functions only available with Gnome. Now eveytime I use the appearance > item on the menu, when I am finished, gnome-appearance stays running, > consuming 50% of cpu. I have to kill it. Does anyone have solutions ? Is > it bug-filing time? It seems to me I had this problem way back when I was > running Ubuntu. What is gnome-appearance? (I've been using GNOME for 3+ years and never had that problem.) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.", Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIRZR4S9HxQb37XmcRApz8AJ9R8t6JT+okps5b3yjOOs5fyVga+QCePfpp oczQ2u1ob5xC3A4At1lOlH0= =FXUl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kolab/Cyrus question
Hi everybody, I'm thinking of setting up the Kolab groupware server on one of my computers to help keep everybody organized. It looks like it will fit my needs. The computer is running etch (stable). However, I already have cyrus-imap set up on this computer (version 2.1). If I install kolab and all of its components, my current installation of cyrus will get replaced by kolab-cyrus. My question is this: Will my mail setup be preserved in the upgrade? Will I keep all of my users and their mail? Or will I get HOSED. Mark ps I'm not subscribed to the list, so please CC me directly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange gs problem: unicode encoding problem with pdf (?)
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 23:01:18 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Am Montag, 2. Juni 2008 schrieb Florian Kulzer: > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 16:33:53 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 1. Juni 2008 schrieb Florian Kulzer: > > > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 16:31:26 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 23:47:06 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a pdf file here which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Displays perfectly with kpdf > > > > > > > > > > > - Does not print from kpdf. This is because gs fails with > > > > > > > > > > > this file: [...] > > > A cupsys upgrade apparently does not replace the ppds for installed > > > printers. > > > > The relevant PPD file is copied to /etc/cups/ppd (and renamed according > > to the CUPS designation for this printer) whenever a printer is > > installed. This copy is not changed when the original PPD file is > > subsequently updated during a package upgrade. > > Surprises me that CUPS is not using symbolic links. I think this might be intentional. The sysadmin can customize the file in /etc/ppd without interfering with the Debian package; likewise, upgrades of the Debian package will not overwrite possible modifications. > > > I "changed" the printer using the localhost:631 web interface and tried > > > two options (I also added a new test printer, but same result): > > > > > > *NickName: "HP LaserJet 6P Foomatic/hpijs, hpijs 2.8.4.2 - HPLIP 2.8.4" > > > *NickName: "HP LaserJet 6P/6MP - PostScript Postscript (recommended)" > > > > > > > > > And this brought a nice improvement: > > > > > > foomatic-rip -v --ppd /etc/cups/ppd/hplj6p.ppd ~/tmp.nobackup/KKA-DKB.pdf > > > >log 2>err > > > > > > generates now a ps or pcl file (depending on the selected driver) in the > > > "log" file. [...] > I found out that the postscript backend sends always garbage (=ps source > code) > to my printer. Maybe the printer does not understand postscript directly, does it have a built-in postscript interpreter? > The pcl backend works for other pdf files though, altough it > contains the same enscript command > > file converter command: enscript -G -M A4 -b "Page $%| > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" --margins=36:36:36:36 --mark-wrapped-lines=arrow > --word-wrap -p- > --> This document is DSC-conforming! [...] > I uploaded the pdf with all sensitive data changed to bogus data to > > http://alzental-castle.de/~rd/uncompressed.pdf > > I verified that it still does not print...and I am curious if you can > reproduce the problem (I managed it on two lenny systems now, both using a > HPLJ 6p printer). I cannot print this file from kpdf either, and I have similar problems with foomatic-rip using Sid's "HP LaserJet 6P Foomatic/hpijs, hpijs 2.8.5.23 - HPLIP 2.8.5" PPD (as well as with the PPD of my own printer). On my system, a2ps is used instead of enscript, but that does not seem to make any difference after all. I can fix the file by running it though ghostscript like this: gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -o fixed.pdf uncompressed.pdf Then I can print fixed.pdf normally. This command should also work when used directly on the original compressed file. It will produce a PDF version 1.4; if you prefer to keep fixed.pdf at version 1.3 then you can do so: gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -dCompatibilityLevel=1.3 -o fixed.pdf uncompressed.pdf I suspect that something is not quite kosher with the PDFs that your bank generates. The fact that they work with the Adobe reader does not necessarily mean that they conform 100% to the PDF specification. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X affecting console text color?? [solved]
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 21:09:34 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 14:27:54 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > > Op Sat, May 31, 2008 at 16:39:03 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 14:10:47 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > > > > My console text has the default light gray color - until X is > > > > started. > > > > > > > > When going from X to the console with Ctrl-Alt-F2, the console > > > > foreground color has turned to dark gray, hardly readable on the > > > > black background. > > > > Even after logging out of X, back into the console, the console > > > > text remains dark gray. > > > > Only after restarting the computer, the default light gray text > > > > color has returned. > > > > > > > > This phenomenon started 1 or 2 weeks ago, during a lenny upgrade > > > > involving a large number of files that had 'xorg' in their > > > > names. > > > > > > > > Anyone else having this? > > > > How could X affect the default console text color? > > > > > > Maybe a bug in the video driver screws up the video mode > > > switching. Which xorg video driver are you using? > > > > The R300 driver, videocard is ATI Radeon 9500. > > But now we're moving towards the limits of my knowledge. How do > > I find out if this driver is still used, after the xorg upgrade > > 2 weeks ago? > > Running > > grep '/drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > should tell you which driver is loaded. It will probably be > ati_drv.so, which is a "smart" wrapper for all ATI cards. It should > detect that your card needs radeon_drv.so and load that one. This appears to be the case: $ grep '/drivers/' /var/log/Xorg.0.log (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//ati_drv.so (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so > > > You could try to downgrade to the previous version or test if the > > > vesa driver leads to the same problem. Indeed, with the vesa driver, the problem disappears. > Both ati_drv.so and radeon_drv.so are in xserver-xorg-video-ati, so > you could try to downgrade to the previous version of that package > (found in your package cache or at snapshot.debian.net). After removing the vesa driver from /etc/X11/xorg.conf I downgraded xserver-xorg-video-ati from 1:6.8.0-1 to 1:6.7.197-1 : # dpkg --force-downgrade -i xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.7.197-1_i386.deb # aptitude hold xserver-xorg-video-ati and indeed, this appears to be a solution. Now when I notice that a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-ati has moved to testing (which, among other places, I can see at http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati.html - thanks to Kelly Clowers) then I will do an 'aptitude unhold xserver-xorg-video-ati' and the usual 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. Thanks to you and Kelly for the perfect replies. I found the rest of your suggestions, not mentioned here, to be clarifying as well. I'd like to make clear that I was not whining about having a big problem though. Waiting a few months would be acceptable. It would just be annoying if it would last forever. Regards, Sjoerd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script for when system was last updated
On Monday 02 June 2008 23:42, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 08:14:24PM +0200, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Not long ago I booted Lenny, and discovered there were more than 800MB of > > updates waiting to be installed, and not a bunch of fun on dialup. > > Looking at my saved history files, I hadn't updated for nearly 2 months. > > > > I save the history from the updates in /home/user_name/history-files, and > > label these according to the date when I updated. For example 20080528. > > > > Could someone suggest a script I could put in ~/.kde/autostart that would > > put up an xmessage saying when the system was last updated, when I boot > > up Lenny? > > > > Much appreciation to all you scripting gurus out there. > > No idea since I don't run kde. > > Why not decide how often you want to update/upgrade and write a > one-liner script to put in crontab to email root "Its time to update the > system". > > Doug. Hi Doug. Thanks for the suggestion. I have a whole bunch of distros that I use on this machine, which is why I often lose track of when I last updated them. I don't retrieve e-mail on any of them, and collect my mail on the other machine which is running the really ancient FC2. Mumia's suggestion put me on the right path, and as you may have seen, I've now resolved the problem. Thanks a bunch though for your reply. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with Gnome appearance.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:59:04 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/03/08 08:29, Frank McCormick wrote: > > > > After months of using IceWm, I installed gnome-core to get some of > > the functions only available with Gnome. Now everytime I use the > > appearance item on the menu, when I am finished, gnome-appearance > > stays running, consuming 50% of cpu. I have to kill it. Does anyone > > have solutions ? > > What is gnome-appearance? (I've been using GNOME for 3+ years and > never had that problem.) Beats me. That's what it is called in top and htop. Strange that Gnome would be setup to call only gnome-appearance ( the name of the module )..normally it's set up to call gnome-control-center. Still can't figure out why it stays running after being closed. If I run it twice it'll suck up 100% of my dual-core cpu and bring my box to its knees. - -- Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhFrZ8ACgkQnQV1aTcQlJtY7ACfaKLyedKOseSB4eeLvpYADO4z DcQAoIh0XL8w/Sv17wnWN+aUSVCnpElX =bh+Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Moonlight covenant
>From Groklaw Q: Why is Microsoft feeling it necessary to say this? A: They're being politicians, saying words that are supposed to make people feel better, but that actually contain no meaning or commitment. This covenant is worthless and, even worse, could be harmful to those who fall into the trap. If MS wanted something good for the community, they'd negotiate with those lawyers who represent the community's interests. Full article:http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454 -- rob http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=82BS4ZCMFR1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange gs problem: unicode encoding problem with pdf (?)
I have currently problems with my DNS entry, please replace alzental-castle.de by bokonew.homelinux.org in URLs given below. Thanks, Rainer Am Montag, 2. Juni 2008 schrieb Rainer Dorsch: > Am Montag, 2. Juni 2008 schrieb Florian Kulzer: > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 16:33:53 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 1. Juni 2008 schrieb Florian Kulzer: > > > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 16:31:26 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 23:47:06 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a pdf file here which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Displays perfectly with kpdf > > > > > > > > > > > - Does not print from kpdf. This is because gs fails > > > > > > > > > > > with this file: > > > > [...] > > > > > > The error messages in one of your earlier mails show that you are > > > > using the Lenny/Sid version of ghostscript (8.62), but your PPD file > > > > seems to be outdated (it is from HPLIP 2.7.10; the current version of > > > > hpijs-ppds is 2.8.4 in Lenny and 2.8.5 in Sid). Maybe upgrading > > > > and/or updating to the newest PPD in the CUPS setup will fix the > > > > problem. (Sometimes it can necessary to remove the printer and add it > > > > again with the newest driver.) > > > > > > Thanks for spotting this. This improved the situation but did not fix > > > it yet. > > > > > > A cupsys upgrade apparently does not replace the ppds for installed > > > printers. > > > > The relevant PPD file is copied to /etc/cups/ppd (and renamed according > > to the CUPS designation for this printer) whenever a printer is > > installed. This copy is not changed when the original PPD file is > > subsequently updated during a package upgrade. > > Surprises me that CUPS is not using symbolic links. > > > > I "changed" the printer using the localhost:631 web interface and tried > > > two options (I also added a new test printer, but same result): > > > > > > *NickName: "HP LaserJet 6P Foomatic/hpijs, hpijs 2.8.4.2 - HPLIP 2.8.4" > > > *NickName: "HP LaserJet 6P/6MP - PostScript Postscript (recommended)" > > > > > > > > > And this brought a nice improvement: > > > > > > foomatic-rip -v --ppd /etc/cups/ppd/hplj6p.ppd > > > ~/tmp.nobackup/KKA-DKB.pdf > > > > > > >log 2>err > > > > > > generates now a ps or pcl file (depending on the selected driver) in > > > the "log" file. > > > > > > But still it does not print and there are a lot of indications to these > > > 106 pages! > > > > > > The pcl version goes into error the ps version prints the ps source > > > code. > > > > > > Inspecting the err file, I still see the 106 pages and enscript as file > > > converter: > > > > > > file converter command: enscript -G -M A4 -b "Page $%| > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" --margins=36:36:36:36 --mark-wrapped-lines=arrow > > > --word-wrap -p- --> This document is DSC-conforming! > > > > I still don't like this invocation of enscript. I now ran enscript on a > > 1-page PDF and it tried to send 99 pages of garbage to my printer. > > AFAIK, enscript is meant for plain text input only. So there is either a > > problem with the filtering setup of CUPS (maybe caused by the PPD) or a > > quirk in the PDF itself. > > I found out that the postscript backend sends always garbage (=ps source > code) to my printer. The pcl backend works for other pdf files though, > altough it contains the same enscript command > > file converter command: enscript -G -M A4 -b "Page $%| > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" --margins=36:36:36:36 --mark-wrapped-lines=arrow > --word-wrap > -p- --> This document is DSC-conforming! > > Full output is at > > http://alzental-castle.de/~rd/err.working > > > > And for the postscript version this is in agreement with the "log" file > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ tail log > > > (32934) s > > > 5 94 M > > > (%%EOF) s > > > _R > > > S > > > %%Trailer > > > %%Pages: 106 > > > %%DocumentNeededResources: font Times-Roman Courier-Bold Courier > > > %%+ font Times-Bold > > > %%EOF > > > > > > The complete outputs (STDERR) of foomatic-rip are here > > > > > > http://alzental-castle.de/~rd/err.pclbackend > > > > > > and > > > > > > http://alzental-castle.de/~rd/err.psbackend > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > The file is not secret and I would be ok with sharing it to > > > > > individual developers (without any formal agreement), but I would > > > > > not want to post it unprotected on an web page. If you are > > > > > interested I would send it to you in a private mail or send you an > > > > > URL. > > > > > > > > I would rather not receive any sensitive information. Can you > > > > generate a new file from the same form with bogus data filled in? > > > > > > My bank is generating these PDFs for me. I cannot generate them with > > > bogus data. Not sure if there would be a save way to edit a pdf file to > > > remove my credit card data. > > > > You can try to uncompress it with pdftk: > > > > pdftk KKA-DKB.pdf output uncompressed.pdf unco
Re: wireless-tools not working.
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:41:01 +1000 Tony R Quilkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry Celejar, I'm just getting used to this mail list idea as well. > > Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:28:09 +1000 > > Tony R Quilkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ... > > > >> The following output is when I've started the machine without the script > >> in /etc/rc.local. [no wifi association] > > OK, apparently your wifi card isn't properly associating with the AP. > > > >> Note, If I restart the machine after placing my script in /etc/rc.local > >> this is the outcome. [correct wifi association] > > Now it is. > > > > We need to figure out why the association isn't happening without your > > custom commands. Try (without your custom stuff) 'ifup wlan0 --force' to > > force the system to retry the configuration, and then re-run iwconfig > > to see if the association works. > > Ok, were getting somewhere. > > ~ # sudo ifup wlan0 --force > SIOCADDRT: File exists [followed by correct wifi association] > This brings the card up and it is now working. The question now is why > won't this happen on boot? Just a shot in the dark, but some wlan drivers won't accept configuration instructions while the interface is administratively down. Perhaps try inserting a line like 'pre-up ifconfig $IFACE up' as the first line of the relevant /etc/network/interfaces stanza? > Thanks again, > Tony. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Etch won't load after eight attempts
On 26 March 2008 I purchased a computer with an Intel dual core CPU and a SATA hard drive. Since then I have off and on spent in the aggregate 77.94 hours trying to install and configure Etch on it using the third revision of net-install disk. I have so far made eight attempts to get a working system using the Debian installer. Each time something happened to make the installation unusable, and I could not find any way to fix each problem without starting the installation all over again. What happened earlier today is more or less typical of the what I have been up against. I was able to complete the eighth installation with the xfs file system and KDE. On the recommendation of the installer I used the LILO boot loader instead of GRUB. One of the first things I did by way of configuration today was to run aptitude update and then to run aptitude upgrade. On of the packages to be upgraded was the kernel (2.6.18-6-686). As part of the configuration of this package by aptitude, I was told that this was the same kernel already installed and that consequently I would have to reboot as soon as the upgrade was finished. I did so, but the reboot ended when the machine hung after returning the following the following message: "LILO 22.6.1 Loading EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" What does this message mean? What if anything can I do to get the machine working again? (Subsquent boots returned the same message after booting?) Or is my only option to attempt a ninth installation and hope for the best? Ken Heard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sliding OT
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:13:09AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >On 06/02/08 23:28, Marc Shapiro wrote: > >[snip] > > > >>Wine is fermented from fruit. > >>Distilled wine is brandy. > >>Beer is fermented from grain. > >>Distilled beer is whiskey. > >> > > > >Corn beer? > > > Technically, yes. Put it in your car and drive it. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch won't load after eight attempts
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 07:47:01PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > What happened earlier today is more or less typical of the what I have > been up against. I was able to complete the eighth installation with > the xfs file system and KDE. On the recommendation of the installer I > used the LILO boot loader instead of GRUB. I don't remember the installer making a recommendation for LILO. I'd go with GRUB. > > One of the first things I did by way of configuration today was to run > aptitude update and then to run aptitude upgrade. On of the packages to > be upgraded was the kernel (2.6.18-6-686). As part of the configuration > of this package by aptitude, I was told that this was the same kernel > already installed and that consequently I would have to reboot as soon > as the upgrade was finished. Well, at least you know the installer will work since you are able to run aptitude. I do wish that Debian didn't use the same kernel version number for updates since on very rare occasions one ends up with an unbootable system. > I did so, but the reboot ended when the machine hung after returning > the following the following message: > > "LILO 22.6.1 Loading EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO > second stage" > > What does this message mean? What if anything can I do to get the > machine working again? (Subsquent boots returned the same message after > booting?) > > Or is my only option to attempt a ninth installation and hope for the best? > I don't know what the problem is since I haven't used LILO since, I think, Potato (IOW, I think I was using Grub on Sarge). You could go ahead and reinstall and use Grub. If you want to try to fis things, here's what I'd suggest: 1. Boot the installer in rescue mode and get a shell chrooted to your system. It will then be like the system booted. 2. Use aptitude and install grub while removing LILO. 3. Since the kernel install itself went OK, you may now be fine. 4. If not, Grub may give you a better error message. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED] Re: Problems with Gnome appearance.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For future reference--- I had a GTK2.0-rc file sitting in my home dir. Drove Gnome absolutely nuts!! All's well that ends. On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:46:23 -0400 Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:59:04 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 06/03/08 08:29, Frank McCormick wrote: > > > > > > After months of using IceWm, I installed gnome-core to get some of > > > the functions only available with Gnome. Now everytime I use the > > > appearance item on the menu, when I am finished, gnome-appearance > > > stays running, consuming 50% of cpu. I have to kill it. Does anyone > > > have solutions ? > > > > What is gnome-appearance? (I've been using GNOME for 3+ years and > > never had that problem.) > > Beats me. That's what it is called in top and htop. Strange that Gnome > would be setup to call only gnome-appearance ( the name of the > module )..normally it's set up to call gnome-control-center. > > Still can't figure out why it stays running after being closed. If I run > it twice it'll suck up 100% of my dual-core cpu and bring my box to its > knees. > > > > - -- > > Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkhFrZ8ACgkQnQV1aTcQlJtY7ACfaKLyedKOseSB4eeLvpYADO4z > DcQAoIh0XL8w/Sv17wnWN+aUSVCnpElX > =bh+Z > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - -- Frank McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhF/a8ACgkQnQV1aTcQlJv2nQCglqMat6qha1vnjinwcG3ayQZU xToAn3SaH+fBAm5Tjo0Z4M7GnFlcRkxH =APhL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HotSwapping Disks
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 15:18 +0100, UDP 514 wrote: > I have a server with hot swap disks. > > I'd like to be able to swap out a non-system disk , eg /dev/sdd and > put in a new > disk, partition it in fdisk, then mount those partitions. This all > works fine, I can partition it, > but the linux kernel hangs on to the old disk partitions in memory, > so I can't mke2fs or > mount the newly created partitions, without doing a reboot. > > > Is there a way to force the kernel re-read the partition tables on a > non-system disk? hdparm -z /device/here Looks like it should do what you want. -davidc -- gpg-key: http://www.zettazebra.com/files/key.gpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Etch won't load after eight attempts
On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 21:12 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 07:47:01PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > > > What happened earlier today is more or less typical of the what I have > > been up against. I was able to complete the eighth installation with > > the xfs file system and KDE. On the recommendation of the installer I > > used the LILO boot loader instead of GRUB. > > I don't remember the installer making a recommendation for LILO. I'd go > with GRUB. The installer installs LILO in cases that GRUB can't handle. Since GRUB has to grok the block device and filesystem on which the /boot/grub folder resides, it's no good if you try to boot from an LVM partition, for example. LILO just points you at a particular part of the disk and says "Start reading here", roughly speaking. So LILO's dumbness has its advantages. How exactly are you installing? Are you doing any unusual (raid5, LVM, some uncommon filesystem) configuration of the root filesystem? If so, I would recommend creating a separate ext2 /boot filesystem so that you can use grub to boot. Once the kernel is loaded, it should be able to understand any exotic set up you were able to create at install time. > > > > One of the first things I did by way of configuration today was to run > > aptitude update and then to run aptitude upgrade. On of the packages to > > be upgraded was the kernel (2.6.18-6-686). As part of the configuration > > of this package by aptitude, I was told that this was the same kernel > > already installed and that consequently I would have to reboot as soon > > as the upgrade was finished. > > Well, at least you know the installer will work since you are able to > run aptitude. I do wish that Debian didn't use the same kernel version > number for updates since on very rare occasions one ends up with an > unbootable system. > > > I did so, but the reboot ended when the machine hung after returning > > the following the following message: > > > > "LILO 22.6.1 Loading EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO > > second stage" > > > > What does this message mean? What if anything can I do to get the > > machine working again? (Subsquent boots returned the same message after > > booting?) > > > > Or is my only option to attempt a ninth installation and hope for the best? > > Since I don't know how to fix the error you describe, I would go with the 9th install, trying the method I suggested. > > I don't know what the problem is since I haven't used LILO since, I > think, Potato (IOW, I think I was using Grub on Sarge). > > You could go ahead and reinstall and use Grub. If you want to try to > fis things, here's what I'd suggest: > > 1.Boot the installer in rescue mode and get a shell chrooted to > your system. It will then be like the system booted. > > 2.Use aptitude and install grub while removing LILO. > > 3.Since the kernel install itself went OK, you may now be fine. > > 4.If not, Grub may give you a better error message. > I somehow doubt this will work. The installer probably chose LILO for a good reason. -davidc -- gpg-key: http://www.zettazebra.com/files/key.gpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Etch won't load after eight attempts
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:11:33AM -0400, David Clymer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 21:12 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I don't know what the problem is since I haven't used LILO since, I > > think, Potato (IOW, I think I was using Grub on Sarge). > > > > You could go ahead and reinstall and use Grub. If you want to try to > > fis things, here's what I'd suggest: > > > > 1. Boot the installer in rescue mode and get a shell chrooted to > > your system. It will then be like the system booted. > > > > 2. Use aptitude and install grub while removing LILO. > > > > 3. Since the kernel install itself went OK, you may now be fine. > > > > 4. If not, Grub may give you a better error message. > > > > I somehow doubt this will work. The installer probably chose LILO for a > good reason. I agree with that. It might be worth trying to boot in rescue mode and running lilo manually, though. It sounds to me like maybe something went wrong with the lilo installation after the kernel upgrade. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there any todo manager tools?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I need a todo manager tools has such feature: 1. category support ( personal, business, etc ) 2. remind before due date ( by mail ,etc ) 3. relation between todo lists ( such as todo A dependence todo B ) 4. support priority ( it's better when I can give it a score by emergency and necessary ) 5. easy to update, if I mark it as done, it should disappear in list but still remain in history 6. searchable hmm, seems bugzilla satisfy almost all these feature.. Ding Honghui -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRjFuJo9Njjkvy34RAnKbAKCtYIfQ0Ww4zAzpsUoQwN/hl4ptNwCghQ/o /C4zWzRYauIzEvhLBMiIFgo= =4h4q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with Gnome appearance.
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 01:59:04PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/03/08 08:29, Frank McCormick wrote: > > > > After months of using IceWm, I installed gnome-core to get some of the > > functions only available with Gnome. Now eveytime I use the appearance > > item on the menu, when I am finished, gnome-appearance stays running, > > consuming 50% of cpu. I have to kill it. Does anyone have solutions ? Is > > it bug-filing time? It seems to me I had this problem way back when I was > > running Ubuntu. > > What is gnome-appearance? (I've been using GNOME for 3+ years and > never had that problem.) > Given a cursory look, I found nothing like Gnome-appearances in my Gnome v2.14, Debian packages directories, or the Gnome site. However, Google reveals complaints about a Gnome-appearances-properties--in the Gnome-Control-Center v2.20.3--hanging and eating up CPU. There are also bug reports. All or most is Ubuntu Gutsy. I am thinking it is Debian's Gnome-themes by another name? -- Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch won't load after eight attempts
On 06/03/2008 06:47 PM, Ken Heard wrote: On 26 March 2008 I purchased a computer with an Intel dual core CPU and a SATA hard drive. Since then I have off and on spent in the aggregate 77.94 hours trying to install and configure Etch on it using the third revision of net-install disk. Whoa! I have so far made eight attempts to get a working system using the Debian installer. Each time something happened to make the installation unusable, and I could not find any way to fix each problem without starting the installation all over again. What happened earlier today is more or less typical of the what I have been up against. I was able to complete the eighth installation with the xfs file system and KDE. On the recommendation of the installer I used the LILO boot loader instead of GRUB. It is absolutely necessary that you use XFS? AFAIK, XFS and Grub don't mix very well. That's probably the reason why the installer recommended LILO; however, I doubt that installation with LILO is as well debugged as installation using Grub. One of the first things I did by way of configuration today was to run aptitude update and then to run aptitude upgrade. On of the packages to be upgraded was the kernel (2.6.18-6-686). As part of the configuration of this package by aptitude, I was told that this was the same kernel already installed and that consequently I would have to reboot as soon as the upgrade was finished. I would suggest rebooting as soon as the base system is installed. You need to know that booting works as soon as possible, and the base system should be a bootable system. I did so, but the reboot ended when the machine hung after returning the following the following message: "LILO 22.6.1 Loading EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" A wild guess is that you only need to do "/sbin/lilo" after you've managed to boot the system. Use a rescue disk that will let you chroot into your partition. Etch CD#1 allows you to do this (it's saved me a couple of times). I also recommend getting a Knoppix disk for situations like these. What does this message mean? What if anything can I do to get the machine working again? (Subsquent boots returned the same message after booting?) Or is my only option to attempt a ninth installation and hope for the best? Ken Heard Re-read the LILO documentation--especially the part where it says "Always do /sbin/lilo." LILO is not like Grub. LILO can't read paritions--only disk sectors. When LILO is installed (/sbin/lilo), it creates list of sectors (a sector-map) to read upon bootup. Any changes to any of the files used by lilo require that the sector-map be recreated (/sbin/lilo). Whenever you change any aspect of LILO's configuration, or whenever you make any changes to the kernel, "always do /sbin/lilo." Good luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
