Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 16:47 -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > Thanks for taking to time to post all that information. I have installed > Gnome, just haven't figured out how to get it going yet! After reading your > post one of the things that I think I need to do first is read some good > articles/overviews of the WMs that are out there and how they work. I have a > backlog of reading to do but will do some googling to read up on this. As your Google search will probably indicate, [1] Matt Chapman's site is one of the most popular overviews of desktop environments and window managers around. It's a good place to start. Be warned that a lot of the links are outdated. In some cases, it's because the project is defunct; in others, it's just because the link hasn't been updated. You can search or browse Debian's repository to see how many WMs are available through apt. As far as WMs go, you'll find that many are variations on a theme and fit into broad categories. 1) The *boxes: These include Blackbox, Fluxbox, and Openbox. They all share a similar design philosophy. Blackbox, I believe, was the first. Fluxbox is the most popular. Openbox is my favorite, not least because of its pipe menus. You'll have to read up on that feature as I can't really explain it properly. 2) Tiling WMs: These include ion3, PekWM, PWM and others. They especially excel at managing terminals and can be really cool to use if you find yourself doing lots of work in the shell. That's not to say they can't run graphical apps too, though. I would recommend checking out at least one of these, just for the experience of seeing how they work. They are very different from anything I ever encountered in MS Windows. 3) Minimalist: Even more barebones than the tiling WMs, these include Ratpoison and EvilWM. They are for people who *really* don't like reaching for the mouse! 4) Maximalist/traditional: WMs that provide some familiarity to anyone who's been using computers for a while. They often seem like DEs, but they aren't. They vary pretty widely in their design, so there's a lot to look at. Among the most popular or useful are WindowMaker, IceWM, Enlightenment, AfterStep, and FVWM (which has been discussed quite a bit on this list recently). One thing you might want to keep in mind is standards compliance. Another reason Openbox is my favorite of all the stand-alone WMs is that it aims for (and achieves) 100% [2] ICCCM compliance. WM developers vary in their adherence to [3] xdg specs; some are downright contemptuous of them and they have their reasons for that attitude. Using a WM that is good on standards compliance means you'll be able to use a wide range of apps and tools out there that are designed to work with any standards-compliant DE or WM. See, for example, [4] Devil's Pie. Using a WM that isn't standards-compliant means that many of these types of apps won't work well (or at all) in that environment. Just something else to consider. [1] http://xwinman.org/ [2] http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/ [3] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications [4] http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream." --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing a HD
Frank McCormick wrote: > > I am planning to replace my 30 gig HD with a bigger drive. At the moment > this is the way hda is setup: > > ~ ---Starting--- EndingStart Number of > ~ # Flags Head Sect Cyl ID Head Sect Cyl SectorSectors > -- - --- --- > ~ 1 0x00110 0x82 14 63 416 63 394002 > ~ 2 0x0001 417 0x83 14 63 1023 39406531444875 > ~ 3 0x80 14 63 1023 0x83 14 63 10233183894025597215 > ~ 4 0x00 14 63 1023 0x05 14 63 102357436155 1163295 > ~ 5 0x00 14 63 1023 0x82 14 63 1023 63 1163232 > > > > > My system boots from hda3 using grub. hda1 and hda5 are swap partitions. > > Whats the best way to get an exact copy of my two Linux systems onto the > new drive? I am not so concerned with the two swap partitions, as I can > create merge them into one on the new HD later. > You can clone your HDD using Pcopy (or Ddrescue, although I have not tried this). First, copy the partition table using Cfdisk. Details at http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Cloning_a_hard_disc . -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network problem on a dell machine
William wrote the following on 08.04.2007 06:11:
> This looks fine too.
>
> ,
> | ~$ telnet google.com 80
> | Trying 64.233.167.99...
> | Connected to google.com.
> | Escape character is '^]'.
> | GET / HTTP/1.1\r
> | GET / HTTP/1.1\r
> | ^D
> |
> | ^Z
> |
> | Connection closed by foreign host.
> | ~$
> `
quote from first mail:
<---
The problem is that i'm unable to connect to the internet
directly (execpt for google, weird..)
--->
so it seems to be a more browser related problem.
I would try to disable ipv6 in the browser and then check again.
In case of firefox aka iceweasle try this:
user_pref("network.dns.disableIPv6", true);
In case of konqi add this to /etc/environment:
KDE_NO_IPV6=1
you have to restart FF afterwards
let us know what´s going on
bye Thilo
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Re: Replacing a HD
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:07:35AM +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote: > > My system boots from hda3 using grub. hda1 and hda5 are swap partitions. > > > > Whats the best way to get an exact copy of my two Linux systems onto the > > new drive? > > Put the new drive into your PC and use dd to copy the whole 30GB disk to the > new > one. You can resize partitions afterwards using fdisk or parted. Bah. This isn't windows. Just partition the new hd however you like. Mount the new root partition in a nice location (like /mnt) and then mount the rest on top of that and then rsync from one hd to the other excluding /mnt, /tmp, /sys, /dev/pts and /proc. udev may complicate things with /dev so you may need to temporarily umount that before rsyncing. It sounds complicate but it really isn't. It's the way I've done it (including across the network) and it's not failed me yet. -- "To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute." - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: undesirable icon on desktop
Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> I have recently update my etch box:
> two new icon appear now on my desktop:
> they both correspond to `unusual' partitions,
> and they named according to the partition label:
> why the other partitions ('/tmp','/usr',/'var',...)
> do not show up ? and why these one do show up ?
This is apparently regarded as a "fix" to broken behaviour:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415893
Personally I think it looks crap.
If you are lucky enough to be root on your system then there is a
workaround stated in the above link.
If not you will have to be content with disabling the display of volumes
on your desktop. This won't prevent their appearance in the Nautilus
side-panel, however.
--
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Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
Celejar wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:10:05 -0400 Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I'd like to get a Wireless PCI Card for my Linux system. I'd like it to support WPA2 and also be Wireless G. I am currently using Debian, but this is a new system, so I'm perfectly willing to switch to another distribution if necessary. I'm willing to try new things if it'll make it easy to get a working wireless card. =) Can anyone suggest a card to get? Thanks! I am suitably impressed with the bcm43xx driver--I've been using it with the Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4. http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ I'm an Atheros fan; Madwifi is great code, and in the spirit of free software, although not actually completely free. Celejar -- ssuds.sourceforge.net - Home of Ssuds and Ssudg A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how tell Konqueror to put cash in $TMP?
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 10:03:30PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > I have /tmp on tmpfs and use libpam-tmp so I have per-user $TMP, and > swap is encrypted. > > I would like Konquorer (and anything else with a cache) to put the cache > in $TMP. Is there a way to change where it puts it? > Not sure about konq, but programs that look in the environment, usually look for $TMPDIR. However, not all programs honor that. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > Use the keychain package. You edit your ~/.bash_profile (or something like that; I forget, but I can look it up later if you want) to add a few lines. Whenever you log in, it asks you to enter your ssh and/or gpg pass phrases. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: undesirable icon on desktop
Hello,
it works fine:
thanks for the hint.
Jerome
Stephen Chadfield wrote:
Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello List,
I have recently update my etch box:
two new icon appear now on my desktop:
they both correspond to `unusual' partitions,
and they named according to the partition label:
why the other partitions ('/tmp','/usr',/'var',...)
do not show up ? and why these one do show up ?
This is apparently regarded as a "fix" to broken behaviour:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415893
Personally I think it looks crap.
If you are lucky enough to be root on your system then there is a
workaround stated in the above link.
If not you will have to be content with disabling the display of volumes
on your desktop. This won't prevent their appearance in the Nautilus
side-panel, however.
--
Jerome BENOIT
jgmbenoit_at_mailsnare_dot_net
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Re: Icon Idiocy in Gnome
peek wrote: > > > > > > > Of the two flavors of Debian I have used (Debian proper and it's > spin-off Ubuntu), this symptom has popped up on both. Sometimes when > I insert removable media, either disk or USB, the icon that Gnome places > on the desktop winds up on top of an existing icon. > > width="109"> > > For me, it's nothing more than a minor annoyance -- click an icon and > drag it aside. But for my users, some of whom are not very > computer-savvy, this could be a confusing headache. And it would > seem to go against the mantra that the Gnome developers are always > chanting: "Do not confuse the user, do not confuse the user..." > > Why does this happen? And is it something I can fix myself or is it > a problem within Gnome? > > > Michael Peek > > > Dear Peek, Please don't post to the list in html format. Thanks, Jonathan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David E. Fox wrote: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:48 GMT > "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared to >> web forums. You can't point and click on anything in slrn or mutt. > > And they can't see those trite 'emoticons' either - the animated faces > that jump up and down, blow their 'nose' when they're sad, that sort of > thing. Cute maybe they are the first few times, but I wouldn't want my > HD full of those things. > > > Perhaps this is the reason that the guidelines specify text only mail. Personally, I don't mind a little HTML mail, but as you pointed out, the emoticons are fun the first time you see it, but they get old very fast. IMO, the same can be said for Compiz/Beryl. They are quite impressive when you first see them, and offer some productivity increases if you know how to use them, but for the most part they just suck resources from your machine and hurt the stability. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGPH7iXBCVWpc5J4RAtRWAKCYaTrVMUQDBLkU/J0Rk3SMDx0cFgCfTBO3 K6mBqJWDc2rGd6GeG0cWADQ= =nh+Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0400 "Andrew J. Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:10:05 -0400 > > Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >>I'd like to get a Wireless PCI Card for my Linux system. > >> I'd like it to support WPA2 and also be Wireless G. I am currently > >> using Debian, but this is a new system, so I'm perfectly willing > >> to switch to another distribution if necessary. I'm willing to > >> try new things if it'll make it easy to get a working wireless > >> card. =) > >> > >>Can anyone suggest a card to get? Thanks! > > I am suitably impressed with the bcm43xx driver--I've been using it with > the Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4. I've used it too, with the AirForce One 4318 in my Acer laptop, but I can't get it to do WEP, and it seems to cause some system instablity. In the archives of this list (and those of debian-laptop) you'll find that others (e.g Freddy Freeloader) have had even more difficulty with it, so at the very least YMMV with bcm43xx. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:45:31 +0200 Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > David E. Fox wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:48 GMT > > "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared to > >> web forums. You can't point and click on anything in slrn or mutt. > > > > And they can't see those trite 'emoticons' either - the animated faces > > that jump up and down, blow their 'nose' when they're sad, that sort of > > thing. Cute maybe they are the first few times, but I wouldn't want my > > HD full of those things. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is the reason that the guidelines specify text only mail. > Personally, I don't mind a little HTML mail, but as you pointed out, the > emoticons are fun the first time you see it, but they get old very fast. > > > IMO, the same can be said for Compiz/Beryl. They are quite impressive > when you first see them, and offer some productivity increases if you > know how to use them, but for the most part they just suck resources > from your machine and hurt the stability. > Just rememeber that some feel that way about DEs in general and KDE in particular. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released
Great job ! Thanks a lot to the Debian team. What is the name of the name of the next release ? Jerome Alexander Schmehl wrote: The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 8th, 2007 http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB. Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now been translated to 58 languages. Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from earlier versions. Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64). Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be installed through two new alternative CD images. Also newly available with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of multiple architectures from a single disc. Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see <http://www.debian.org/CD/> for further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors <http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/>, too. This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as the K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME desktop environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the GNUstep desktop 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13, Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3), Icedove (an unbranded version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.8), PostgreSQL 8.1.8, MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version 2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8, PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other ready to use software packages. Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in place, without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to read the release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the release notes <http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes>. Please note that the release notes will be further improved and translated to additional languages in the coming weeks. About Debian Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system, developed by more than a thousand volunteers from all over the world who collaborate via the Internet. Debian's dedication to Free Software, its non-profit nature, and its open development model make it unique among GNU/Linux distributions. The Debian project's key strengths are its volunteer base, its dedication to the Debian Social Contract, and its commitment to provide the best operating system possible. Debian 4.0 is another important step in that direction. Contact Information --- For further in
Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
Celejar wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 07:59:15 -0400 "Andrew J. Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Celejar wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:10:05 -0400 Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I'd like to get a Wireless PCI Card for my Linux system. I'd like it to support WPA2 and also be Wireless G. I am currently using Debian, but this is a new system, so I'm perfectly willing to switch to another distribution if necessary. I'm willing to try new things if it'll make it easy to get a working wireless card. =) Can anyone suggest a card to get? Thanks! I am suitably impressed with the bcm43xx driver--I've been using it with the Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4. I've used it too, with the AirForce One 4318 in my Acer laptop, but I can't get it to do WEP, and it seems to cause some system instablity. In the archives of this list (and those of debian-laptop) you'll find that others (e.g Freddy Freeloader) have had even more difficulty with it, so at the very least YMMV with bcm43xx. FWIW, I am using it just fine with WPA-Enteprise. It seems to like disconnecting every 90 minutes or so, but this kernel is a touch out of date (2.6.18-4-powerpc). It's not a huge deal however, because NetworkManager usually reconnects it right away. The driver is new and as such is actively developed. I would imagine there's a world of difference in the most recent versions. Andrew Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: checking if my system is compromised
Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does anyone have suggestions on tightening up the default sshd_config > file? I read about disabling password authentication mechanism > completely and using only the key authorization mechanism. But this is > too inconvenient to stick to. For example, if I go to a friend's > machine, I would like to be able to ssh from it, without bothering > about transferring keys back and forth. Any other suggestions are > welcome. I usually enable the recent module in iptables, which means that you can only login once every 1 minute or so. It usually give the attacker only one try before they get shut down. Example: # allow established and related connection /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # if a NEW or INVALID package comes in, and it is in our list within the # last 60 seconds, drop the package /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW,INVALID -m recent --update --seconds 60 -j DROP # allow new connections to ssh port, add the ip address to our recent # list /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p ssh --dport ssh -m state --state NEW,INVALID -m recent --set -j ACCEPT The ordering of the rules are important, otherwise you might lock yourself out. Basically, every time a ssh connection is made, the ip address gets added to a list. If a connection is made from the same IP within 60 seconds, then the connection is dropped. Usually, attackers will drop the connection and try again if the username/password does not match. This means that they only get one try. And since the 60 seconds timelimit is set every time someone makes a connection, they will never get the login unless they wait 60 seconds (which they never do). Also, in /etc/hosts.deny, set ALL: PARANOID -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:47:03 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > > > Use the keychain package. You edit your ~/.bash_profile (or something > like that; I forget, but I can look it up later if you want) to add a > few lines. Whenever you log in, it asks you to enter your ssh and/or > gpg pass phrases. IIUC, since he's using ssh-agent he doesn't need keychain, just a place to call ssh-add, which can be ~/.bash_profile or wherever. Celejar
Re: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 09:47:36PM +0800, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Great job ! > Thanks a lot to the Debian team. > > What is the name of the name of the next release ? > > Jerome > I just read the email too, and now I'm happy :) Hopefully now we can stop hearing the million articles questioning "Where is Etch?", if any of the reviewers wanted Etch they should have installed it while it was testing and helped report bugs, instead of complain. But that's just my two cents (Of course, most of them really don't care about Debian, they're just doing it because it's their job). Anyway, back on topic. The new Debian testing will be called "Lenny" and it's version number is 4.1. I'm just sitting tight waiting for all of the new packages to hit the testing repositories, I'm going to upgrade right into Lenny :D - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFGGPgW/o7Q/FCvPe0RAkjkAJ4hD2hioaoPuVi85NS7lmhgpkV7+wCUDeN9 Al/7gS+FdqeGC+LW2yoQ4Q== =OxM7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For those who are interested : > > > http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty > > It looks like next Saturday. Got an email from the Debian announcement list saying Etch got released today (Sunday), so congratulations to the Debian Developers. Well, done. Have a beer :-) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:11:34AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 09:47:36PM +0800, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > Great job ! > > Thanks a lot to the Debian team. > > > > What is the name of the name of the next release ? > > > > Jerome > > > > I just read the email too, and now I'm happy :) > > Hopefully now we can stop hearing the million articles questioning > "Where is Etch?", if any of the reviewers wanted Etch they should have > installed it while it was testing and helped report bugs, instead of > complain. But that's just my two cents (Of course, most of them really > don't care about Debian, they're just doing it because it's their job). > > Anyway, back on topic. The new Debian testing will be called "Lenny" and > it's version number is 4.1. > > I'm just sitting tight waiting for all of the new packages to hit the > testing repositories, I'm going to upgrade right into Lenny :D > > I'm resending this message because gmail told me I had a message send failure. Sorry if you guys already got this message already. - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGPkA/o7Q/FCvPe0RAhVHAJ9Bv3YfGJglz2e5sBZc6yxJBJXxdgCeNggu OgaG6LdYM12FoyF07erGXOI= =F0gd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:45:31 +0200 > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> David E. Fox wrote: >>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:48 GMT >>> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared to web forums. You can't point and click on anything in slrn or mutt. >>> And they can't see those trite 'emoticons' either - the animated faces >>> that jump up and down, blow their 'nose' when they're sad, that sort of >>> thing. Cute maybe they are the first few times, but I wouldn't want my >>> HD full of those things. >>> >>> >>> >> Perhaps this is the reason that the guidelines specify text only mail. >> Personally, I don't mind a little HTML mail, but as you pointed out, the >> emoticons are fun the first time you see it, but they get old very fast. >> >> >> IMO, the same can be said for Compiz/Beryl. They are quite impressive >> when you first see them, and offer some productivity increases if you >> know how to use them, but for the most part they just suck resources >> from your machine and hurt the stability. >> > > Just rememeber that some feel that way about DEs in general and KDE in > particular. > > Celejar > > Calejar, what kind of response it that. I wanted some real mean comments to come about how Beryl is the greatest thing ever to be invented or something like that. :) You are of course right. Like I have previously stated, I prefer KDE, but what is right for me is not right for everyone else. That is why there are so many things to choose from. I am not pushing KDE, or any other DE on anyone, I only state my opinions. I have to say, I spend more time with Konsole than I do anything else, and I could probably do with just about any WM just as well as I do with KDE, or perhaps I should just dump all WMs and use mutt and links. Whatever I decide, it is my choice. The freedom to take these decisions is the strong point of GNU/Linux. This of course is not appropriate to this thread, so I will stop preaching how pleased I am that I got out of the Windows world. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGPpLiXBCVWpc5J4RAgmnAJ9blnqitV5JDmscDrIIjbvLJeGMKQCgyD4j kfZ4zn8IXhjV2lM8IQjJYPw= =vwuK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 10:06 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > >> I am suitably impressed with the bcm43xx driver--I've been using it with > >> the Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4. > > > > I've used it too, with the AirForce One 4318 in my Acer laptop, but I > > can't get it to do WEP, and it seems to cause some system instablity. > > In the archives of this list (and those of debian-laptop) you'll find > > that others (e.g Freddy Freeloader) have had even more difficulty with > > it, so at the very least YMMV with bcm43xx. > > FWIW, I am using it just fine with WPA-Enteprise. It seems to like > disconnecting every 90 minutes or so, but this kernel is a touch out of > date (2.6.18-4-powerpc). It's not a huge deal however, because > NetworkManager usually reconnects it right away. Be careful, there are several revisions/sub-models of this chip, and they don't all work equally well with the bcm43xx driver. The one in my notebook, for example works, but performs poorly, struggles to connect to any access point, and has very poor range. Something with an Atheros chip is probably a safer bet. They require you to download and install the driver, but they're far more certain to work well. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aptitude cancel actions
Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", and then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. I've only been able to select this using a mouse. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
John L Fjellstad wrote: Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: For those who are interested : http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty It looks like next Saturday. Got an email from the Debian announcement list saying Etch got released today (Sunday), so congratulations to the Debian Developers. Well, done. Have a beer :-) Interestingly I can't find any differences in the packages. For example: postgresql is still 7.4 in stable and 8.1 in testing. I would have expected the testing branch to have cascaded down to stable with the 4.0 release. Are things not up to date? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Allison wrote: > John L Fjellstad wrote: >> Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> For those who are interested : >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty >>> >>> It looks like next Saturday. >> >> Got an email from the Debian announcement list saying Etch got released >> today (Sunday), so congratulations to the Debian Developers. Well, >> done. Have a beer :-) >> > > Interestingly I can't find any differences in the packages. > > For example: postgresql is still 7.4 in stable and 8.1 in testing. > > I would have expected the testing branch to have cascaded down to stable > with the 4.0 release. > > Are things not up to date? > > It could be that the mirrors haven't all synced yet. It should be there AFAIK. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGQf2iXBCVWpc5J4RAue9AJ9fR5qUMpIOwcr55yTiNCL+6xi89QCcCPiH W/2dIAcFqQ0chM3llSaMeuo= =I5lc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:57:02AM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: > John L Fjellstad wrote: > >Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >>For those who are interested : > >> > >> > >>http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty > >> > >>It looks like next Saturday. > > > >Got an email from the Debian announcement list saying Etch got released > >today (Sunday), so congratulations to the Debian Developers. Well, > >done. Have a beer :-) > > > > Interestingly I can't find any differences in the packages. > > For example: postgresql is still 7.4 in stable and 8.1 in testing. > > I would have expected the testing branch to have cascaded down to stable > with the 4.0 release. > > Are things not up to date? > > Well keep in mind there is a lot of stuff to migrate. The Debian developers are done, but that doesn't mean that they can't take today off (It IS Easter Sunday, after all). They've still got the upload everything into the directories, and if I was a DD I'd wait until late at night to do it (The least amount of people would be upgrading 3:00AM UK/9:00PM US), but we'll see how that works out. I've run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade too many times now, and cat /etc/debian_version still says 4.0. I was hoping to be able to come back from breakfast and see a Debian Lenny system, but oh well. I'm just glad that updating Xorg didn't break my system, and I hope it's a sign of things to come. - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGQl//o7Q/FCvPe0RAuU2AJ0T6an7MpwusEQWu6fbSery3sk3uQCfW7HD EF6lskt1smniZizTC3Mypt8= =S9za -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:01:45AM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", and > then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. I've only > been able to select this using a mouse. > > Mark > > I don't understand what you mean. You want to tell Aptitude to do a bunch of stuff, and then tell it to not do it? Well you could always use Aptitude at the console, it has a ncurses interface. Just mark the packages you want for installation and quit the program without doing anything (Or run it as non-root, you definitely won't break anything that way). Or you could use aptitude's dry-run option, as follows: $ aptitude --simulate install If neither of these are what you were asking maybe you should elaborate. I just assumed you meant you wanted Aptitude to act like Synaptic. - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGQqH/o7Q/FCvPe0RAoZmAJ0TselHt2gtbDQzQeuXTNb2qQ1XEQCgpNWF kzmgLD15NITIH5/BwipQrHw= =iW8F -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing a HD
On 07.04.07 17:40, Frank McCormick wrote: > I am planning to replace my 30 gig HD with a bigger drive. At the moment > this is the way hda is setup: > > ~ ---Starting--- EndingStart Number of > ~ # Flags Head Sect Cyl ID Head Sect Cyl SectorSectors > - -- - --- --- > ~ 1 0x00110 0x82 14 63 416 63 394002 > ~ 2 0x0001 417 0x83 14 63 1023 39406531444875 > ~ 3 0x80 14 63 1023 0x83 14 63 10233183894025597215 > ~ 4 0x00 14 63 1023 0x05 14 63 102357436155 1163295 > ~ 5 0x00 14 63 1023 0x82 14 63 1023 63 1163232 hda5 is only one partition in hda4, which is an extended partition. This is quite useless, I would set up hda4 directly and avoid using extended partition... > My system boots from hda3 using grub. hda1 and hda5 are swap partitions. but two swap partitions are useless, so 3 partitions will be enough for you > Whats the best way to get an exact copy of my two Linux systems onto the > new drive? I am not so concerned with the two swap partitions, as I can > create merge them into one on the new HD later. yes, do it. Simply create partitions, configure filresystems on them and copy data using dump or tar... the only problem might be setting up boot from new drive. I use hacks like setting up 'disk=' and 'bios=' in lilo.conf. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and into darkness bind them -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Settings Save Error
Debian-Users, Rather than run Xfce on the console, I can use it through the tightvnc server. In this case, a dialogue box entitled "Settings Save Error" appears with this content. "The settings file failed to save. This could be because the disk is full, or you don't have permission to write to the configuration directory. Any changes will be lost when you exit Xfmedia." This dialogue box will not close with the Close button or by clicking on the x. I must kill the supporting process. Someone please suggest which directory might have faulty permissions. Thanks,... Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On 07.04.07 20:26, Paul E Condon wrote: > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? I would use ~/.xsession -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Posli tento mail 100 svojim znamim - nech vidia aky si idiot Send this email to 100 your friends - let them see what an idiot you are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 11:25 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > I've run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade too many times now, and > cat /etc/debian_version still says 4.0. I was hoping to be able to come > back from breakfast and see a Debian Lenny system, but oh well. You will have to keep waiting, or upgrade to unstable, base-files 4.0 have not reached testing yet. http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files.html -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 760BDD22 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Replacing a HD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:45:11 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07.04.07 17:40, Frank McCormick wrote: > > I am planning to replace my 30 gig HD with a bigger drive. At the > > moment this is the way hda is setup: > > > > ~ ---Starting--- EndingStart Number of > > ~ # Flags Head Sect Cyl ID Head Sect Cyl SectorSectors > > - -- - --- > > --- ~ 1 0x00110 0x82 14 63 416 > > 63 394002 ~ 2 0x0001 417 0x83 14 63 1023 > > 39406531444875 ~ 3 0x80 14 63 1023 0x83 14 63 1023 > > 3183894025597215 ~ 4 0x00 14 63 1023 0x05 14 63 > > 102357436155 1163295 ~ 5 0x00 14 63 1023 0x82 14 > > 63 1023 63 1163232 > > hda5 is only one partition in hda4, which is an extended partition. > This is quite useless, I would set up hda4 directly and avoid using > extended partition... At the time I paritioned the drive it had one parition on it already and as I recall ( I may be wrong here ) using an extended partition was the only way to create the second. > > > My system boots from hda3 using grub. hda1 and hda5 are swap > > partitions. > > but two swap partitions are useless, so 3 partitions will be enough > for you I agree, the second swap came about as a way to use up extra hd space :) > > > Whats the best way to get an exact copy of my two Linux systems > > onto the new drive? I am not so concerned with the two swap > > partitions, as I can create merge them into one on the new HD later. > > yes, do it. Simply create partitions, configure filresystems on them > and copy data using dump or tar... the only problem might be setting > up boot from new drive. I use hacks like setting up 'disk=' and > 'bios=' in lilo.conf. I have had suggestions ranging from dd to pcopy and even rsync on mounted drives. Still not sure the way to go. But thanks to all for the suggestions. Cheers Frank - -- Change the world one loan at a time - visit Kiva.org to find out how -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGRIwzWG7ldLG6fIRAnYoAJ0dCYMEsi1ZA6fiCym4J3Nn1eQgZACdH82t lXLPdc3JxjC5jlW6zBomfa8= =U5Ae -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
Michael Pobega writes: > Well keep in mind there is a lot of stuff to migrate. The Debian > developers are done, but that doesn't mean that they can't take today off > (It IS Easter Sunday, after all). > They've still got the upload everything into the directories, There is nothing to upload or migrate. Releasing consists of changing some symlinks. However, it will take some time for the release to propagate to all the mirrors. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch release??
On Sunday 08 April 2007 11:55, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 11:25 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > I've run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade too many times now, > > and cat /etc/debian_version still says 4.0. I was hoping to be able > > to come back from breakfast and see a Debian Lenny system, but oh > > well. > > You will have to keep waiting, or upgrade to unstable, base-files 4.0 > have not reached testing yet. > http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files.html I've noticed some problems with mirrors for Sarge as well. "Aptitude update" gives me errors right now. I'm just going to hold off until I've heard of people dealing with the updated Sarge and the new Stable successfully. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Settings Save Error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 08:28:19AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Debian-Users, > > Rather than run Xfce on the console, I can use > it through the tightvnc server. In this case, > a dialogue box entitled "Settings Save Error" > appears with this content. > "The settings file failed to save. > > This could be because the disk is full, or you > don't have permission to write to the > configuration directory. Any changes will be lost > when you exit Xfmedia." > > This dialogue box will not close with the Close > button or by clicking on the x. I must kill the > supporting process. > > Someone please suggest which directory might have > faulty permissions. > > Thanks,... Peter E. > Well before blaming permissions have you checked your disk space? Although I am 95% sure that this isn't the problem, I'd double check just to be sure. Check each partition individually using the du command (du -sh /dir) If that isn't it, try another media player. See if you get the same error. Of course, I doubt this one too, but it's the first thing you should check when something stops working. If not, I'd check the ~/.xfmedia folder (or file, if there even is one). If there isn't I'd touch it and chmod it to ug+rw, and then see if the problem persists. I've never used Xfmedia before, and it didn't save a configuration file for me when I loaded it up. Is the problem only occurring with Xfmedia, or with Xfce in general? - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGROo/o7Q/FCvPe0RAptLAJ9owMGOX8TVO09e54djfic1D46M5QCgkRRO pP7UDVVB6b+hlPFTr1ZrGjM= =tJTT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:09:28AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:47:03 -0400 > Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > > > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > > > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > > > > > Use the keychain package. You edit your ~/.bash_profile (or something > > like that; I forget, but I can look it up later if you want) to add a > > few lines. Whenever you log in, it asks you to enter your ssh and/or > > gpg pass phrases. > > IIUC, since he's using ssh-agent he doesn't need keychain, just a place > to call ssh-add, which can be ~/.bash_profile or wherever. > > Celejar > You're right in understanding my question, but .bash_profile doesn't seem a right answer. .bash_profile begins with a comment that it is executed only by login shells, but it seems to be executed every time I open another gnome-terminal window. I'd like to be presented with a request to enter my pass-phrase only once when I actually log in. Suggestions for other places to try? -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Etch released.
>From the Debian Announce List. There you go. The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 8th, 2007 http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB. Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now been translated to 58 languages. Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from earlier versions. Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64). Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be installed through two new alternative CD images. Also newly available with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of multiple architectures from a single disc. Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see <http://www.debian.org/CD/> for further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors <http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/>, too. This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as the K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME desktop environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the GNUstep desktop 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13, Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3), Icedove (an unbranded version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.8), PostgreSQL 8.1.8, MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version 2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8, PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other ready to use software packages. Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in place, without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to read the release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the release notes <http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes>. Please note that the release notes will be further improved and translated to additional languages in the coming weeks. About Debian Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system, developed by more than a thousand volunteers from all over the world who collaborate via the Internet. Debian's dedication to Free Software, its non-profit nature, and its open development model make it unique among GNU/Linux distributions. The Debian project's key strengths are its volunteer base, its dedication to the Debian Social Contract, and its commitment to provide the best operating system possible. Debian 4.0 is another important step in that direction. Contact Information --- For further information, please visit the Debian web pages at <http://www.debian.org/> or send mail
Re: Etch released.
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 12:38 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > >From the Debian Announce List. Pardon my french, damn, I am blind. I couldn't see it anywhere in the messages. Once I sent it, six or so threads jumped out to humiliate me. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:01:45 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", and > then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. I've only > been able to select this using a mouse. You can access the menu by pressing CTRL + T (navigate with the cursor keys, select with ENTER). -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 05:50:36PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 07.04.07 20:26, Paul E Condon wrote: > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > > I would use ~/.xsession Interesting idea, but man Xsession contains: " $HOME/.Xsession is a sequence of commands invoking X clients (or a session man- ager such as xsm(1x)). See the manual page for xinit and/or /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession for tips on writing an .Xsession file. " and man xinit does not contain either the string 'xs' or 'Xs' so no info there, and /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/ does not exits, so no info there. This appears to me to be a bug in the documentation. Where should this page point for examples? -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DHCP lease and dhclient.eth0.leases.
/var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases has dates in it that do not seem to relate to anything. It has two entries. one stating that the DHCP lease expired two days ago, and another that states it will expire in 2038: renew 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; rebind 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; expire 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; renew 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; rebind 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; expire 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; If something's misconfigured, I haven't a clue. Where does this file get it's information? I'm not even sure I'm making sense, but any pointers appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch released.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 12:50:52PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 12:38 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > >From the Debian Announce List. > > Pardon my french, damn, I am blind. I couldn't see it anywhere in the > messages. > > Once I sent it, six or so threads jumped out to humiliate me. Don't worry, we're bound to have thousands of people coming here and screaming "ETCH IS RELEASED" and "Where is Lenny?" within the next week. Double posts of good news are the least of our problems. - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ - My Debian site and blog _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast, Mutt lover -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGSKR/o7Q/FCvPe0RApf8AKCY1ttlXU7s/kzYkn/qRNsCLLLnmACaA500 Ge3kbTaxao1pkV1zFo21ASk= =nyo0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DHCP lease and dhclient.eth0.leases.
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 13:06 -0400, Ed Jabbour wrote: > /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases has dates in it that do not seem to > relate to anything. It has two entries. one stating that the DHCP > lease expired two days ago, and another that states it will expire in > 2038: > > renew 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; > rebind 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; > expire 5 2007/4/6 17:38:58; > > > renew 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; > rebind 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; > expire 2 2038/1/19 03:14:07; > > If something's misconfigured, I haven't a clue. Where does this file > get it's information? I'm not even sure I'm making sense, but any > pointers appreciated. First off, are you having any problem? Second, where are you getting your DHCP ack and reply from (Comcast, a router or a real DHCP server on you LAN? Thirdly, is that your whole leases file? If you are getting your DHCP reply from Comcast's stuff... this doesn't surprise me one bit. They don't understand a proper client. They have catered to stupid Windows, stupid routers/firewalls that don't work properly and old equipment that doesn't really understand things. Plus the influx of uPNP requests has really made things hell for them as they've had to change to uPNP enabled things... hurting themselves in the process. This includes handing out many of the DOCSIS stuff to the modem to handle and propagate all that jive crap. Now, if you are getting you DHCP info from a router, well that is a different issue. Does that Router support uPNP? If it does and you have zeroconf and the avahi stuff installed, that might explain it. There are many numerous ways of misconfiguration for "privately controlled" DHCPDs. I really don't want to go into them at length until we know it is the problem... which I'll hope it isn't. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was as boring as a performance of "Richard the 3rd" with potatoes for actors. They're all eyes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
> > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", > > and then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. > > I've only been able to select this using a mouse. > > > >Mark > > > I don't understand what you mean. You want to tell Aptitude to do a > bunch of stuff, and then tell it to not do it? I change my mind occasionally, yes. > Well you could always use Aptitude at the console, Unless I'm having problems with X, and boot into my computer in single user mode as root for maintenance. > it has a ncurses > interface. Just mark the packages you want for installation and quit > the program without doing anything (Or run it as non-root, you > definitely won't break anything that way). > Or you could use aptitude's dry-run option, as follows: > $ aptitude --simulate install I suppose that's an option. Again, I'm just curious if what is possible with a mouse is also possible via the keyboard. I have found it useful to be able to change my mind and cancel pending actions. I've only been able to choose this command with the mouse. So, simply put, can this command be done with the keyboard? Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 01:12:12PM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > > I don't understand what you mean. You want to tell Aptitude to do a > > bunch of stuff, and then tell it to not do it? > > I change my mind occasionally, yes. > Then your best bet would be the Aptitude ncurses interface. > > Well you could always use Aptitude at the console, > > Unless I'm having problems with X, and boot into my computer in single > user mode as root for maintenance. > Does ncurses not work in single user mode? Passing just the command 'aptitude' at any console (TTY1, xterm, ssh) should give a curses interface. > > it has a ncurses interface. Just mark the packages you want for > > installation and quit the program without doing anything (Or run it > > as non-root, you definitely won't break anything that way). > > > Or you could use aptitude's dry-run option, as follows: > > > $ aptitude --simulate install > > I suppose that's an option. Again, I'm just curious if what is > possible with a mouse is also possible via the keyboard. I have found > it useful to be able to change my mind and cancel pending actions. > I've only been able to choose this command with the mouse. So, simply > put, can this command be done with the keyboard? > Again, your best bet would be the ncurses interface. You choose from a list what to install (Using the class vi hotkeys to search/parse), and you can toggle what's being installed/uninstalled before it happens. Of course, this is probably a bit more restrictive than Synaptic/any other graphical implementation of APT, as is any console program to their graphical counterpart. If you're stuck in a terminal on a broken system though, you should be able to fix the system up to a point where you can use Synaptic quite easily with minimal hassle, if that's what you're worried about. - -- http://digital-haze.net/~pobega/ - My Debian site and blog _\_V Window Maker user, Debian enthusiast, Mutt lover -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGSan/o7Q/FCvPe0RAtnKAJ9GtXRYav7DkvX88vWvm4zLDReq5gCeMUPZ dL45iCltgNSShlny6+FFrj4= =TGME -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:45:55 +0100 Hans du Plooy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 10:06 -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > > >> I am suitably impressed with the bcm43xx driver--I've been using it with > > >> the Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4. > > > > > > I've used it too, with the AirForce One 4318 in my Acer laptop, but I > > > can't get it to do WEP, and it seems to cause some system instablity. > > > In the archives of this list (and those of debian-laptop) you'll find > > > that others (e.g Freddy Freeloader) have had even more difficulty with > > > it, so at the very least YMMV with bcm43xx. > > > > FWIW, I am using it just fine with WPA-Enteprise. It seems to like > > disconnecting every 90 minutes or so, but this kernel is a touch out of > > date (2.6.18-4-powerpc). It's not a huge deal however, because > > NetworkManager usually reconnects it right away. > > Be careful, there are several revisions/sub-models of this chip, and > they don't all work equally well with the bcm43xx driver. The one in my > notebook, for example works, but performs poorly, struggles to connect > to any access point, and has very poor range. > > Something with an Atheros chip is probably a safer bet. They require > you to download and install the driver, but they're far more certain to > work well. Agreed, and note that installing the drivers (Madwifi) can be as simple as 'aptitude install madwifi-modules-xxx', or 'aptitude install madwifi-source' and 'm-a prepare', 'm-a a-i madwifi' if you have a custom kernel. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing a HD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank McCormick wrote: [snip] > I have had suggestions ranging from dd to pcopy and even rsync on > mounted drives. Still not sure the way to go. But thanks to all for the > suggestions. > > Cheers > > Frank > You can expect that. There are a multitude of ways to accomplish the same tasks, and people have preferences that are different than others. If you don't know what you're doing, and don't know the commands, then I can see how it would be difficult to know which path of advice to take. You have a choice, research the commands given and pick one, or blindly pick one and hope that it is good for you. I will add to your confusion and tell you another way. You can use partimage to take a snapshot of a whole partition and then restore that snapshot to a new drive. As for booting the new drive, you need to write a MBR on the new drive so that it knows which partition to boot. Lilo instructions were given earlier in this thread. You didn't say which you used so I will give you instructions for grub (the # and grub> are prompts): #grub grub>root (hd0,0) grug>setup (hd0) grub>quit # This is assuming that /dev/hda1 is what you want to boot. Increase the second number accordingly for other partitions, for example /dev/hda3 would be (hd0,2). Now if I were you, I'd keep the old drive and use it as a slave so that you have even more space. Good luck. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGS00iXBCVWpc5J4RArCuAJ97SqupJu3AedlRQb28azrgLrniiQCcDzGH ZDgaYzvepGzMfyx8aYa51ys= =HNon -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:51:25 +0200 Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:01:45 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", and > > then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. I've only > > been able to select this using a mouse. > > You can access the menu by pressing CTRL + T (navigate with the cursor > keys, select with ENTER). Or CTRL + T followed by 'e', the shortcut key for 'Cancel pending actions'. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:30:15 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:01:45AM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", and > > then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. I've only > > been able to select this using a mouse. > > > > Mark > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean. You want to tell Aptitude to do a > bunch of stuff, and then tell it to not do it? > > Well you could always use Aptitude at the console, it has a ncurses > interface. Just mark the packages you want for installation and quit the > program without doing anything (Or run it as non-root, you definitely > won't break anything that way). > > Or you could use aptitude's dry-run option, as follows: > > $ aptitude --simulate install > > > If neither of these are what you were asking maybe you should elaborate. > I just assumed you meant you wanted Aptitude to act like Synaptic. 'Cancel pending actions' is a legitimate aptitude option; it's often useful if you've marked some installs / upgrades / removals and then change your mind. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:14:26 -0600 Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:09:28AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:47:03 -0400 > > Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > > > > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > > > > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > > > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > > > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > > > > > > > Use the keychain package. You edit your ~/.bash_profile (or something > > > like that; I forget, but I can look it up later if you want) to add a > > > few lines. Whenever you log in, it asks you to enter your ssh and/or > > > gpg pass phrases. > > > > IIUC, since he's using ssh-agent he doesn't need keychain, just a place > > to call ssh-add, which can be ~/.bash_profile or wherever. > > > > Celejar > > > > You're right in understanding my question, but .bash_profile doesn't > seem a right answer. .bash_profile begins with a comment that it is > executed only by login shells, but it seems to be executed every time > I open another gnome-terminal window. I'd like to be presented with a > request to enter my pass-phrase only once when I actually log in. > > Suggestions for other places to try? .xsession? I'm not much of an X guru, but I've seen that that's where many docs suggest starting the agent in the first place. Celejar
Re: aptitude cancel actions
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 01:12:12PM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", > > > and then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. > > > I've only been able to select this using a mouse. > > > What happens if you hit 'q'? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing a HD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Hart wrote: > Frank McCormick wrote: > [snip] >>> I have had suggestions ranging from dd to pcopy and even rsync on >>> mounted drives. Still not sure the way to go. But thanks to all for the >>> suggestions. > > You can expect that. There are a multitude of ways to accomplish the > same tasks, and people have preferences that are different than others. > If you don't know what you're doing, and don't know the commands, then > I can see how it would be difficult to know which path of advice to > take. You have a choice, research the commands given and pick one, or > blindly pick one and hope that it is good for you. I've been running various flavors of Linux for a couple of years...but without some previous experience it's tough to know which way has the best chances of no-problem success. I am told dd is slow...and can be error prone..so I am leaning towards Pcopy. > > I will add to your confusion and tell you another way. You can use > partimage to take a snapshot of a whole partition and then restore that > snapshot to a new drive. I thought of this way but it **seemed** to simple :) > > Now if I were you, I'd keep the old drive and use it as a slave so that > you have even more space. Good luck. Good idea - you can never have too much HD space :) Thanks Cheers Frank -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGGTel8Rvr3Tn207ARAjYkAKCAY5hOsYsy5rbpG/ErknpsMxf3kgCfdiYV WuVZrwNLcldXDNINvdACMIU= =2tM+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Auditing free and non-free packages
Hello I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the Debian commitment to free software). I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for example). Is there a way of auditing this? Thanks /@ -- "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch released.
Hello, Is it necessary to download all 3 DVD-ISO-images just to install this version? I am wondered a little bit because other distributions have only one ISO-DVD. Are on DVD-2 and DVD-3 only sources? Best regards, Helmut "Greg Folkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >From the Debian Announce List. > > There you go. > > > > The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released [EMAIL PROTECTED] > April 8th, 2007 http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 > > > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released > > The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian > GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant > development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports > a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME > and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software > and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version > 3.1 of the LSB. > > Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 > comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This > release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the > installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and > complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now > been translated to 58 languages. > > Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system > has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows > the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. > Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but > instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from > earlier versions. > > Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld > systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total > of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP > Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and > IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM > S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 > and Intel EM64T (amd64). > > Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such > as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is > the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K > Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be installed through > two new alternative CD images. Also newly available with Debian > GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of > multiple architectures from a single disc. > > Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the > recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see <http://www.debian.org/CD/> for > further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from > numerous vendors <http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/>, too. > > This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as the > K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME desktop > environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the GNUstep desktop > 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13, Iceweasel (an > unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3), Icedove (an unbranded > version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an unbranded version of > Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.8), PostgreSQL 8.1.8, MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler > Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version 2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba > 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8, PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk > 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other ready to use software packages. > > Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian > GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the > aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a > certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As always, > Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in place, > without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to read the > release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions about > installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the release notes > <http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes>. Please note that > the release notes will be further improved and translated to additional > languages in the coming weeks. >
Re: Etch released.
Helmut Sennewald wrote: Hello, Is it necessary to download all 3 DVD-ISO-images just to install this version? I am wondered a little bit because other distributions have only one ISO-DVD. Are on DVD-2 and DVD-3 only sources? Best regards, Helmut "Greg Folkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >From the Debian Announce List. There you go. The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released [EMAIL PROTECTED] April 8th, 2007 http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB. Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now been translated to 58 languages. Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from earlier versions. Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64). Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be installed through two new alternative CD images. Also newly available with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting installation of multiple architectures from a single disc. Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see <http://www.debian.org/CD/> for further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from numerous vendors <http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/>, too. This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as the K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME desktop environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the GNUstep desktop 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13, Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.3), Icedove (an unbranded version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.8), PostgreSQL 8.1.8, MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version 2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8, PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other ready to use software packages. Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in place, without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to read the release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the release notes <http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes>. Please note that the release notes will be further improved and translated to additional languages in the coming weeks. About Debian Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system, developed by more than a thousand volunteers from all over the world who collaborate via the Internet. Debian's dedication to Free Software, its non-profit nature, and its open development model make it unique among GNU/Linux distributions. The Debian project's k
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0100, andy wrote: > Hello > > I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for > functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on > whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the > Debian commitment to free software). > > I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't > free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for > example). Is there a way of auditing this? > The vrms package (if it is still around) will check your installed packages (Debian packages only, not programs installed directly from source) and tell you how many of them are non-free and what percentage of your installed packages that constitutes and so on. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Etch released.
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 08:29:55PM +0200, Helmut Sennewald wrote: > Hello, > > Is it necessary to download all 3 DVD-ISO-images just to install this > version? > I am wondered a little bit because other distributions have only one > ISO-DVD. > Are on DVD-2 and DVD-3 only sources? No. The full DVD set includes absolutly everything in the debian system. Usefull if you need to make DVDs to take to install on computers on a desert island :) Normally, the best approach is to burn the one netinst.iso CD. It contains the installer and the base system so that even without an internet connection, you can get a minimal system installed. However, either during or after install, you can select additional packages or tasks (e.g. desktop) for installation; and these will be downloaded from the debian mirror as required. Since I'm on a slow dial-up link, I always burn CD1 of any new release. It contains everything the netinst has, plus the installation documentation, plus the most popular packages. Your choice. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Etch released.
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 08:29:55PM +0200, Helmut Sennewald wrote: > Hello, > > Is it necessary to download all 3 DVD-ISO-images just to install this > version? > I am wondered a little bit because other distributions have only one > ISO-DVD. > Are on DVD-2 and DVD-3 only sources? > If you have fast net access and are happy to do a net install - no. For i386 and AMD64, figures are very approximately as below. The business card size CD is approximately a 20 - 30 MB download and provides enough to bootstrap an installer and begin a Debian installation entirely from the network. The netinst CD is approximately 100 - 120 MB - it includes enough to install the base system completely. [For completeness: There is also a pxe boot version if you have a fast local network and your network card is net boot capable] These are almost exactly the same installer as is found on CD #1 or DVD #1 of the full set (or the KDE and XFCE variants of the CD #1 which install those desktop environments but are in other ways identical). Debian is a large distribution - three or four DVD's of binaries, three of source, depending on architecture. There are over 18000 packages. Most people won't install anything like that number - you don't necessarily need to install two mail transfer programs at the same time - but you have the choice of lots of alternatives if you wish to use them. The packages are arranged in approximate order of popularity and use on each CD / DVD. Less used packages (e.g. specialist genetics programs) might be on DVD #3, for example. If you have network access, it is possible that all you will need is some flavour of minimal network install CD / CD #1 or DVD #1 from the full set. If you don't have network access, then CD or DVD full sets may be necessary. 3 DVDs for binaries / 21 CDs and the same for source - for many, this will never be necessary. This ought to be an FAQ :) Hope this helps, Andy > Best regards, > Helmut > > "Greg Folkert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >From the Debian Announce List. > > > > There you go. > > > > > > > > The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ > > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > April 8th, 2007 http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 > > > > > > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released > > > > The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian > > GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of constant > > development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports > > a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME > > and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software > > and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version > > 3.1 of the LSB. > > > > Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 > > comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This > > release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the > > installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and > > complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now > > been translated to 58 languages. > > > > Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management system > > has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure APT allows > > the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded from a mirror. > > Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their entirety, but > > instead patched with smaller files containing only differences from > > earlier versions. > > > > Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld > > systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A total > > of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP > > Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and > > IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM > > S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 > > and Intel EM64T (amd64). > > > > Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media such > > as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network. GNOME is > > the default desktop environment and is contained on the first CD. The K > > Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be installed through &
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0100, andy wrote: > Hello > > I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for > functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on > whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the > Debian commitment to free software). > > I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't > free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for > example). Is there a way of auditing this? > You could try vrms - the Virtual RMS - a script which will warn you of packages considered non-free in DFSG terms (and will email you once a month or so by default). Obviously, apt-get/aptitude install vrms will install the package for you. Alternatively, try the following: Comment out the entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list for non-free and debian-multimedia or whatever, then do an apt-get update. The packages which aren't found will be tagged as Local/Obsolete since the source is unknown and you can recognise them that way. Once you're happy, re-edit your /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately to re-add the entries you commented out. HTH, Andy > Thanks > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0100, andy wrote: Hello I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the Debian commitment to free software). I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for example). Is there a way of auditing this? I would also point out that the Debian definition of free software isn't necessarily authoritative. You are welcome to disagree and use a package without any moral qualms (if you believe that using free software is moral). For example, I do not agree with the exclusion of things like fonts, firmware, and some other program data from main -- but the beauty of Debian is that these things are still available to us even though the project feels they aren't free. For example, the non-free Broadcom wireless firmware was a few clicks away for me by simply installing the bcm43xx-fwcutter package from contrib. Voila--instant wireless on my PowerBook. Not 30 seconds after installing that package, my home wireless network showed up in the NetworkManager icon. You don't even have to search Google for the Windows driver. Now if they could only figure out some way to do something similar for the Intel Centrino radios... Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:14:26 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:09:28AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:47:03 -0400 > > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of > > > > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I > > > > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of > > > > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be > > > > a Debianly correct answer. What is it? > > > > > > > Use the keychain package. You edit your ~/.bash_profile (or something > > > like that; I forget, but I can look it up later if you want) to add a > > > few lines. Whenever you log in, it asks you to enter your ssh and/or > > > gpg pass phrases. > > > > IIUC, since he's using ssh-agent he doesn't need keychain, just a place > > to call ssh-add, which can be ~/.bash_profile or wherever. > > > > Celejar > > > > You're right in understanding my question, but .bash_profile doesn't > seem a right answer. .bash_profile begins with a comment that it is > executed only by login shells, but it seems to be executed every time > I open another gnome-terminal window. I'd like to be presented with a > request to enter my pass-phrase only once when I actually log in. > > Suggestions for other places to try? I would start ssh-add at the beginning of each Gnome session like this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs#GNOME (I don't know really know Gnome; the information for KDE on the same page is correct, therefore I hope that the one for Gnome is accurate, too.) Also make sure that you have one of the following installed: gtk-led-askpass ssh-askpass ssh-askpass-fullscreen ssh-askpass-gnome (You can also install all of them and switch via the alternatives system to find the one that you like best.) ssh-add will then automatically use the ssh-askpass graphical frontend to let you type your passphrase. After that all applications can use the ssh keys until you log out again. (I hope I understood correctly what you want to achieve.) -- Regards, Florian
Etch Released
I just installed with the set of floppies. If you're on a broadband connection, do a net install. You dont have to wait to start having fun! And so far with Etch, all of my hardware worked from the start except the touchpad. Which a Search on this forum fixed in two seconds. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
Andrew J. Barr wrote: Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0100, andy wrote: Hello I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the Debian commitment to free software). I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for example). Is there a way of auditing this? I would also point out that the Debian definition of free software isn't necessarily authoritative. You are welcome to disagree and use a package without any moral qualms (if you believe that using free software is moral). For example, I do not agree with the exclusion of things like fonts, firmware, and some other program data from main -- but the beauty of Debian is that these things are still available to us even though the project feels they aren't free. For example, the non-free Broadcom wireless firmware was a few clicks away for me by simply installing the bcm43xx-fwcutter package from contrib. Voila--instant wireless on my PowerBook. Not 30 seconds after installing that package, my home wireless network showed up in the NetworkManager icon. You don't even have to search Google for the Windows driver. Now if they could only figure out some way to do something similar for the Intel Centrino radios... Andrew Andrew & Andrew I will try vrms - sounds like that should be quite interesting actually. Cheers :) I have really come to appreciate the design philosophy of Debian over the last months and having installed it on a couple of machines now (odd quirks were sorted thanks to the help of this list's members!). I actually do find myself coming out on Stallman's side of those flamewar debates about free and open source software, and also enjoy having access to software that may not be free, but still provides a function for me that I have come to want and expect. That the Debian developers and team facilitate users doing this is a very mature attitude! I relish the daily package updates and how all of these packages just slot right in and work right out of the box. Kudos to those guys who ruined their eyesight and their social lives developing the body of code that I now get to enjoy in all of its finesse! Cheers Andy -- "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba Oplocks & Latency Problems
I recently rebuilt my Debian file server, and went from a extremely old architecture to a slightly less (but not by much!) out of date architecture. Once all the dust settled, I noticed that I was having performance issues, and a bit of digging revealed strange kernel oplock error messages which I wasn't getting before the rebuild. "linux_set_kernel_oplock: Refused oplock on file , fd = 79, dev = 1607, inode = 702737. (Resource temporarily unavailable)". I found very little information on dealing with oplock problems, so I decided to go with what I did find, and turned off samba's kernel oplock support and to use level2 oplocks instead: oplocks = yes level2 oplocks = yes This improved things slightly (enough to make it bearable), but it's still far to slow in many cases. My Start Menu folders are on the server, and waiting for them to display can take upwards of 3 minutes sometimes. During this wait my client CPU is pretty much idle, as is network traffic, and the CPU on the file server seems pretty idle too. A level 10 Samba seems chatty, but nothing jumps out as being at fault. Any ideas for further avenues I can investigate? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: aptitude cancel actions
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 14:26:16 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 01:12:12PM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > > > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", > > > > and then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. > > > > I've only been able to select this using a mouse. > > > > > > What happens if you hit 'q'? Aptitude will remember the pending actions and it will try to carry them out when you run it the next time. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 03:40:31PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 07:44:13PM +0100, andy wrote: > >>Hello > >> > >>I have, since installing Etch, been downloading packages with regard for > >>functionality and because I wanted that program, rather than focusing on > >>whether or not that package was non-free or free (with respect to the > >>Debian commitment to free software). > >> > >>I am curious about the packages I currently have installed that aren't > >>free (I know about the w32codecs and the flashplayer-plugin, for > >>example). Is there a way of auditing this? > >> > > I would also point out that the Debian definition of free software isn't > necessarily authoritative. You are welcome to disagree and use a package > without any moral qualms (if you believe that using free software is > moral). For example, I do not agree with the exclusion of things like > fonts, firmware, and some other program data from main -- but the beauty > of Debian is that these things are still available to us even though the > project feels they aren't free. For example, the non-free Broadcom > wireless firmware was a few clicks away for me by simply installing the > bcm43xx-fwcutter package from contrib. Voila--instant wireless on my > PowerBook. Not 30 seconds after installing that package, my home > wireless network showed up in the NetworkManager icon. You don't even > have to search Google for the Windows driver. Now if they could only > figure out some way to do something similar for the Intel Centrino radios... > > Andrew > It's been done - but you have to go to the SourceForge site to get the firmware - which requires you to sign an Intel licence agreement - and then put this in /lib/firmware or some such: firmware version may be dependent on kernel/tools version. Then the equivalent Intel drivers also work - I've a Thinkpad next door using ipw2200 drivers very nicely thanks. The latest ipw3945 drivers are even more free, as I understand it, and firmware may be more freely distributable IIRC. Andy > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch released.
"Douglas Allan Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 08:29:55PM +0200, Helmut Sennewald wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is it necessary to download all 3 DVD-ISO-images just to install this >> version? >> I am wondered a little bit because other distributions have only one >> ISO-DVD. >> Are on DVD-2 and DVD-3 only sources? > > No. > > The full DVD set includes absolutly everything in the debian system. > Usefull if you need to make DVDs to take to install on computers on a > desert island :) > > Normally, the best approach is to burn the one netinst.iso CD. It > contains the installer and the base system so that even without an > internet connection, you can get a minimal system installed. However, > either during or after install, you can select additional packages or > tasks (e.g. desktop) for installation; and these will be downloaded from > the debian mirror as required. > > Since I'm on a slow dial-up link, I always burn CD1 of any new release. > It contains everything the netinst has, plus the installation > documentation, plus the most popular packages. > > Your choice. > > Doug. Hello Doug and all others who have answered, Thanks for the help. I will now download only the first DVD. I prefer an installation from a DVD and maybe it already contains all what I need as you said. If not, I can still install the missing packages via Internet. Best regards, Helmut -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch released.
Scribit steef dies 08/04/2007 hora 20:57: > consider a net-install if you have a fast internet-connection Please, respect the Netiquette *at least a bit*. You quoted 133 lines of an announcement just to write 1 line yourself. That's a pretty awful s/n ratio... Regards, Pierre -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP 0xD9D50D8A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Auditing free and non-free packages
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Andrew J. Barr wrote: Now if they could only figure out some way to do something similar for the Intel Centrino radios... Andrew It's been done - but you have to go to the SourceForge site to get the firmware - which requires you to sign an Intel licence agreement - and then put this in /lib/firmware or some such: firmware version may be dependent on kernel/tools version. Then the equivalent Intel drivers also work - I've a Thinkpad next door using ipw2200 drivers very nicely thanks. The latest ipw3945 drivers are even more free, as I understand it, and firmware may be more freely distributable IIRC. What I want to see is automated retrieval and installation of the PRO/Wireless radio firmware. Clickwrap license agreements aren't a (technical) problem for Debian packages, see sun-java6 for an example. As it stands now, you have to go to sourceforge.net (or more specifically, bughost.org) and download the firmware .tgz and extract it into /lib/firmware. The original reason for not packaging the 2x00 firmware was that the license terms did not clearly allow this. I believe Intel has clarified their license, and even if they haven't, there's no reason that the acceptance of the clickthrough agreement and the subsequent retrieval and installation of the firmware image cannot be integrated into APT and dpkg. The license terms for the bcm43xx firmware blob are probably even more ambiguous (as it's not distributed outside of being embedded in the Windows driver) but those intrepid Debian packagers have figured out a way to deliver it to users with minimal fuss. I was just struck by the difference in experience between my Thinkpad's wireless and the PowerBook's wireless, and while I realize there are legal hurdles to delivering the firmware to Debian users, that doesn't mean there aren't technical solutions to those hurdles. Andy PS: The driver installed on the user's laptop knows what firmware image it needs, so as long as it's there it doesn't much care what else is in /lib/firmware. So a safe bet is including all firmware images in the 'process' (whatever that ends up being), or at least all firmware images that have been used by the driver since it went into Linus' tree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
files in /var/tmp
Hi all Can someone throw some light on as to what does /var/tmp/fast-mech.tgz and /var/tmp/raw directories do? My system (Debian Etch) has been recently compromised and I deleted most of the suspicious files. However I am not sure about these. Is it safe to delete them or do you think some process expects them to be there? According to FHS 2.3, files in /var/tmp are preserved across reboots and applications might expect some temp files there. Other than that, I could not find any other info on fast-mech.tgz file and on /var/tmp/raw directory... $ls -al fast-mech.tgz raw -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 165248 2007-02-04 20:51 fast-mech.tgz raw: total 1348 drwxr-xr-x 2 rajulocal rajulocal 4096 2007-01-24 02:34 ./ drwxrwxrwt 6 root root4096 2007-04-08 18:26 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal273 2007-01-24 02:30 1 -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal316 2007-01-24 02:30 2 -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal316 2007-01-24 02:31 3 -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 39415 2007-02-28 19:03 Chio.seen -rwxr-xr-x 1 rajulocal rajulocal 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 httpd -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 35268 2007-02-28 19:03 New.seen -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1043 2007-02-28 19:03 raw.levels -rw--- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 6 2006-12-29 04:44 raw.pid -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1043 2007-02-28 19:03 raw.session -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1091 2007-01-24 02:34 raw.set -rwxr-xr-x 1 rajulocal rajulocal 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 sshd -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 35861 2007-02-28 19:03 VaLy.seen $tar tzvf fast-mech.tgz drwxr-xr-x piotr/piotr 0 2007-01-24 02:34 raw/ -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 273 2007-01-24 02:30 raw/1 -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 316 2007-01-24 02:30 raw/2 -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 316 2007-01-24 02:31 raw/3 -rw--- piotr/piotr 6 2006-12-29 04:44 raw/raw.pid -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr1091 2007-01-24 02:34 raw/raw.set -rwxr-xr-x piotr/piotr 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 raw/httpd Any help is greatly appreciated. raju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files in /var/tmp
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 03:44:33PM -0700, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Hi all > > Can someone throw some light on as to what does /var/tmp/fast-mech.tgz and > /var/tmp/raw directories do? > > My system (Debian Etch) has been recently compromised and I deleted most of > the suspicious files. However I am not sure about these. Is it safe to delete > them or do you think some process expects them to be there? > > According to FHS 2.3, files in /var/tmp are preserved across reboots and > applications might expect some temp files there. Other than that, I could not > find any other info on fast-mech.tgz file and on /var/tmp/raw directory... > > > $ls -al fast-mech.tgz raw > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 165248 2007-02-04 20:51 fast-mech.tgz > > raw: > total 1348 > drwxr-xr-x 2 rajulocal rajulocal 4096 2007-01-24 02:34 ./ > drwxrwxrwt 6 root root4096 2007-04-08 18:26 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal273 2007-01-24 02:30 1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal316 2007-01-24 02:30 2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal316 2007-01-24 02:31 3 > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 39415 2007-02-28 19:03 Chio.seen > -rwxr-xr-x 1 rajulocal rajulocal 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 httpd > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 35268 2007-02-28 19:03 New.seen > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1043 2007-02-28 19:03 raw.levels > -rw--- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 6 2006-12-29 04:44 raw.pid > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1043 2007-02-28 19:03 raw.session > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 1091 2007-01-24 02:34 raw.set > -rwxr-xr-x 1 rajulocal rajulocal 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 sshd > -rw-r--r-- 1 rajulocal rajulocal 35861 2007-02-28 19:03 VaLy.seen > > $tar tzvf fast-mech.tgz > drwxr-xr-x piotr/piotr 0 2007-01-24 02:34 raw/ > -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 273 2007-01-24 02:30 raw/1 > -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 316 2007-01-24 02:30 raw/2 > -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr 316 2007-01-24 02:31 raw/3 > -rw--- piotr/piotr 6 2006-12-29 04:44 raw/raw.pid > -rw-r--r-- piotr/piotr1091 2007-01-24 02:34 raw/raw.set > -rwxr-xr-x piotr/piotr 608374 2005-05-27 15:40 raw/httpd > > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > raju > Looks like someone has put in an extra web-server for you and an sshd to control it with. Isn't that kind :) If you wish to pass the machine on to law enforcement or your university sysadmins for forensic type investigation, do so now and don't touch anything else. You may also want to look at Helix and Auditor (two security-oriented Knoppix type releases for security and forensics on Live CD). Otherwise: nuke it from orbit. Boot from a copy of knoppix or the Ubuntu live CD. Use tar to archive anything you really need and scp to copy it off the infected machine. [Booting from a live CD means that you shouldn't be using possibly infected binaries on the machine hard disk itself.] Use Darik's Boot and Nuke to wipe the disk as thoroughly as you can. Then re-install with Etch and clean media. HTH, Andy > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files in /var/tmp
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 03:44:33PM -0700, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Hi all > > Can someone throw some light on as to what does /var/tmp/fast-mech.tgz > and /var/tmp/raw directories do? > > My system (Debian Etch) has been recently compromised and I deleted > most of the suspicious files. However I am not sure about these. Is it > safe to delete them or do you think some process expects them to be > there? > > According to FHS 2.3, files in /var/tmp are preserved across reboots > and applications might expect some temp files there. Other than that, > I could not find any other info on fast-mech.tgz file and on > /var/tmp/raw directory... > According to google, fast-mech is a game. If you don't have that game installed... If you do Yes, some apps may look for something in /var/tmp, but it is usually cleaned out periodically based on age. If one considers a box turned off for a week, on boot the cron script that cleans out /var/tmp will probably clean anything out. Personly, I'd copy /var/tmp to a USB stick or other removeable media. If your box really has been compromized, pull the plug and read harden-doc on a safe computer. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless G WPA2 PCI Card Suggestion Please
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 02:11 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:10:05 -0400 > Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to get a Wireless PCI Card for my Linux system. > > I'd like it to support WPA2 and also be Wireless G. I am currently > > using Debian, but this is a new system, so I'm perfectly willing > > to switch to another distribution if necessary. I'm willing to > > try new things if it'll make it easy to get a working wireless > > card. =) > > > > Can anyone suggest a card to get? Thanks! > > http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ > > I'm an Atheros fan; Madwifi is great code, and in the spirit of > free software, although not actually completely free. > > Celejar > > -- > ssuds.sourceforge.net - Home of Ssuds and Ssudg > A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator > > D-Link DWL-G510 with madwifi "new technology" driver works well here. Chuck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: files in /var/tmp
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > My system (Debian Etch) has been recently compromised and I deleted > most of the suspicious files. How do you know which files are suspicious? How do you know that the login binary has not been replaced with one with a backdoor? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude cancel actions
> On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 11:01:45 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > > > Hi. I'm wondering how, via the keyboard, I can select "Actions", > > >and then select "Cancel pending actions", when running aptitude. > > >I've only been able to select this using a mouse. > > > > You can access the menu by pressing CTRL + T (navigate with the > > cursor keys, select with ENTER). > Or CTRL + T followed by 'e', the shortcut key for 'Cancel pending > actions'. > Celejar Ah, ctrl+t. Thanks, that's good to know, just in case. I had been trying alt+e, and various other things, without success. It's good to know how to access the top menu with the keyboard. Thanks, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: youtube also crashes iceweasel
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:17:16 -0500, Wu-Kung Sun wrote: > On 3/17/07, Vasil Benov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My system is Debian Etch, Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 (if this is of any >> relevance), I use the Gnome desktop environment. >> >> I think this might be a bug either in the mozilla-vlc plugin or (not very >> likely) in the iceweasel. >> >> If there is no any other browser tab opened or another instance of the >> browser running everything is fine. >> But as long as any of the above cases are met. The browser always crashes if >> i try to open a vlc stream >> for the second time. > > I can confirm that I've been having the same problem with > mozilla-mplayer. I was going to question the mplayerplug-in devs but > your email makes me think the problem is elsewhere. > I find mozilla often -- apparently at random -- crashes when starting of finishing a youtube video. I notives this starting today -- of course, it might have been a problen a few days ago, but I didn't play any videos before today because sound wasn't working (speaker turned out to be plugged in wrong). -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox and iceweasel
Michael Pobega wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:12:34AM +0200, Eeltje wrote: >> >> Question of copyright. You lose nothing using Iceweasel. >> > > That's subject to disagreement. Lately on the Debian forums there have > been a lot of problems arising from using Iceweasel over Firefox, > although it's nothing very serious. It's important to know that so far, everything that's been pointed out as working in Firefox but not in Iceweasel boils down to exceptionally poor web design and not any sort of failing on Iceweasel's part. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: youtube also crashes iceweasel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hendrik Boom escribió: > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:17:16 -0500, Wu-Kung Sun wrote: > >> On 3/17/07, Vasil Benov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My system is Debian Etch, Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 (if this is of any >>> relevance), I use the Gnome desktop environment. >>> >>> I think this might be a bug either in the mozilla-vlc plugin or (not very >>> likely) in the iceweasel. >>> >>> If there is no any other browser tab opened or another instance of the >>> browser running everything is fine. >>> But as long as any of the above cases are met. The browser always crashes if >>> i try to open a vlc stream >>> for the second time. >> I can confirm that I've been having the same problem with >> mozilla-mplayer. I was going to question the mplayerplug-in devs but >> your email makes me think the problem is elsewhere. >> > I find mozilla often -- apparently at random -- crashes when starting of > finishing a youtube video. I notives this starting today -- of course, it > might have been a problen a few days ago, but I didn't play any videos > before today because sound wasn't working (speaker turned out to be > plugged in wrong). > > -- hendrik > > I used to have problems using older versions of Flash-player, I update my flash-player plugin to 9 and is everything ok. So I believe it's not a problem of iceweasel/firefox. Jose Luis, - -- ghostbar on Linux/Debian 'sid' i686 - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://talug.org.ve http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #debian-ve #debian-devel-es San Cristóbal, Venezuela. http://chaslug.org.ve Fingerprint = 3E7D 4267 AFD5 2407 2A37 20AC 38A0 AD5B CACA B118 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGGZfdOKCtW8rKsRgRAutxAKCkVFfuXs1NknpJWh+TsbxriBPLVwCfYi28 5QY+aOBYYItVfPimhjXg0Ds= =SlaB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MySQL touble going from sarge -> etch
Hi peeps, I just updated from sage to etch, and something's going pretty damn weird with mysql's upgrade ... mysql 5.0 is seeing that my old dbs are there, but not seeing the tables within them, so my old users aren't working, and I can't get at any of my data, all the files are still there in /var/lib/mysql, but just not being accessible, anyone got any hints? -- - - -- -- --- -- - - Barry Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://bazza.com/ How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi i done" in a GUI? (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces.) - - -- -- --- -- - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox and iceweasel
On 4/8/07, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's important to know that so far, everything that's been pointed out as working in Firefox but not in Iceweasel boils down to exceptionally poor web design and not any sort of failing on Iceweasel's part. This seems quite true. One of the sites I use (http://www.rhapsody.com/) won't work properly without setting my UA to "Firefox" through the User Agent Switcher. It claims that my browser is unsupported and recommends that I upgrade to Firefox. Funny, that. Dusty -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way? [not what I asked for, but OK ]
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I
> do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of
> ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> a Debianly correct answer. What is it?
>
So, I learned a lot about what doesn't work for me. I settled on
adding the following to my .bashrc:
if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh ] && [ -d ~/.ssh ]; then
function ssh {
if [ "The agent has no identities." = "$(ssh-add -L)" ]; then
ssh-add
fi
/usr/bin/ssh $@
unset -f ssh
}
fi
This defines a bash function that overlays ssh. When I forgetfully
start ssh without first running ssh-add, this runs ssh-add for me,
then drops me into the real ssh, then wipes itself out of bash
environment. IWFM. I'm still interested in a less kludgy solution, but
have other things to do. Thanks to all.
--
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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way? [addendum]
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 09:24:00PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I
> > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of
> > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> > a Debianly correct answer. What is it?
> >
>
> So, I learned a lot about what doesn't work for me. I settled on
> adding the following to my .bashrc:
>
> if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh ] && [ -d ~/.ssh ]; then
>function ssh {
> if [ "The agent has no identities." = "$(ssh-add -L)" ]; then
> ssh-add
> fi
> /usr/bin/ssh $@
> unset -f ssh
>}
> fi
>
> This defines a bash function that overlays ssh. When I forgetfully
> start ssh without first running ssh-add, this runs ssh-add for me,
> then drops me into the real ssh, then wipes itself out of bash
> environment. IWFM. I'm still interested in a less kludgy solution, but
> have other things to do. Thanks to all.
>
I tried Florian's suggestion one more time, and success! Don't know
what I did wrong before, but now when I log-in, I get a window in
which I am instructed to enter the pass-phrase for my 'identity'. The
stuff about editing config files was unnecessary. Apparently the edits
were done automagically (by the install scripts for *askpass*,
perhaps?). I would say that the Debianly correct way to enable
ssh-agent with a pass-phrase is to install one of the *askpass*
packages.
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Re: ssh setup: what is the Debian way? [not what I asked for, but OK ]
On 2007-04-08T21:24:00-0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 08:26:23PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > Debian automagically starts ssh-agent somewhere along the chain of
> > events that bring up X and Gnome. I don't reboot often, but when I
> > do, I forget to run ssh-add. Where can I place an invocation of
> > ssh-add so that it is run once just after login? I think there must be
> > a Debianly correct answer. What is it?
In case it was not already been suggested install and configure
libpam-ssh. I ended up setting the password for my personal account to
! in /etc/shadow and just authenticate against the passphrase of my
private key (while root continues to use std unix auth).
/etc/pam.d/common-auth:
auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok_secure
auth sufficient pam_ssh.so try_first_pass keyfiles=id_dsa
/etc/pam.d/common-session:
session optional pam_ssh.so
session required pam_unix.so
> So, I learned a lot about what doesn't work for me. I settled on
> adding the following to my .bashrc:
>
> if [ -x /usr/bin/ssh ] && [ -d ~/.ssh ]; then
>function ssh {
> if [ "The agent has no identities." = "$(ssh-add -L)" ]; then
> ssh-add
> fi
> /usr/bin/ssh $@
> unset -f ssh
>}
> fi
You may want to ensure you have an interactive session (i.e. PS1 set),
and check SHLVL so you do this less.
/Allan
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Re: network problem on a dell machine
Thilo Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > quote from first mail: > <--- > The problem is that i'm unable to connect to the internet > directly (execpt for google, weird..) > ---> > > so it seems to be a more browser related problem. It doesn't seem so. I also tried lynx/elinks on a console, which also has the problem, so does apt-get. I have to feed a http_proxy to apt-get to make it work. As for ipv6 thing, now i've disable ipv6 module and restart the system. I still have the problem.. > I would try to disable ipv6 in the browser and then check again. This doesn't work for me. -- William A certain old cat had made his home in the alley behind Gabe's bar for some time, subsisting on scraps and occasional handouts from the bartender. One evening, emboldened by hunger, the feline attempted to follow Gabe through the back door. Regrettably, only the his body had made it through when the door slammed shut, severing the cat's tail at its base. This proved too much for the old creature, who looked sadly at Gabe and expired on the spot. Gabe put the carcass back out in the alley and went back to business. The mandatory closing time arrived and Gabe was in the process of locking up after the last customers had gone. Approaching the back door he was startled to see an apparition of the old cat mournfully holding its severed tail out, silently pleading for Gabe to put the tail back on its corpse so that it could go on to the kitty afterworld complete. Gabe shook his head sadly and said to the ghost, "I can't. You know the law -- no retailing spirits after 2:00 AM." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
..manuals for Compaq 163357-001 mobo and Kontron CI6BM-B1 sbc?
Hi, ..sometimes when you see people poking around dumps, you can spot them miss weird WTF-_IS_-this kinda stuff at a distance, the first time I did this, I grabbed an Intergraph 6040 while the other guys ran off with 386'es, way back in 1993. ..this time I grabbed some (I guessed correctly) server gear, a Compaq 163357-001 system board and a Kontron CI6BM-B1 single board computer. ..identifying these was easy, just STFW. Now, find pdf manuals. ;o) ..at least 2 eBay people believe the Compaq 163357-001 system board, is a "ProLiant ML 350", Compaq's site disagrees, AFAICT, however my find does match these pictures: http://cgi.ebay.com/Compaq-163357-001-ML350-Dual-Slot-1-Motherboard- SCSI_W0QQitemZ120103973135QQihZ002QQcategoryZ71509QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Compaq-Proliant-ML350-Dual-Slot1- Motherboard-163357-001_W0QQitemZ120099735817QQihZ002QQcategoryZ71509QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting http://www.inticleanbidet.com/ebay29/Compaq%20ML350%20mobo%203.JPG http://www.inticleanbidet.com/ebay29/Compaq%20ML350%20mobo%202.JPG http://www.inticleanbidet.com/ebay29/Compaq%20ML350%20mobo%201.JPG ..similar problem here, http://www.kontron.com/ does have a video driver for my Trident 9525-equipped CI6BM-B1, but does not list it even as a legacy product, AFAICT: http://www.bonavio.com/sbc/sbc-ci6bm.htm http://www.cc.ntut.edu.tw/~s1370815/ci6bm.htm http://nordic.kontron.com/index.php?id=226&cat=203&productid=650 http://nordic.kontron.com/index.php?id=795 -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 01:45:13PM -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL] > > (out of this list) > > I said this once before and got shot down, but here it is again: > > If this list is supposed to be for idle chit-chat among the debian > community, then we really have no mailing list specifically for people to > talk about debian, or get help about debian. We should have at least another > list, probably "debian-help". Subscribing to debian-curiosa instead may be a better solution. -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG and Signing
On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 04:11:09PM +0800, Robert Roach wrote: > I was wondering about that too. Went to local book store and found a > good book on both PGP and GPG: > > http://www.amazon.com/PGP-GPG-Email-Practical-Paranoid/dp/1593270712/ref=sr_1_1/104-6276993-4918331?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175414807&sr=8-1 > > It's a quick and interesting read after which you will have a good > understanding of framework and mechanisms of both the tools and the > theory behind it. Does it mention Bob, Ted and Alice? -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
