Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Mirko Scurk]

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-03-20 10:32:06, schrieb H.S.:
>> I agree with this. In my experience, one can choose to configure every
>> detail in Ubuntu by editing configuration files, the same way as in
>> Debian. At the same time, Ubuntu also automates many things and provides
>> a nice simple GUI for others (source packages gui, update gui, package
>> installation gui).
>>
>> At our univ. we had our Linux image changed to Ubuntu recently. I kind
>> of manage my own machine, and still use text files for administration
>> whenever needed, even though I could use Ubuntu's GUI. Just shows that
>> the user has more than one option to customize her/her system.
>
> Sorry, but I have tried (K)Ubuntu several times, but whenever
> I have configured some things by hand and it WAS working, the
> GUI tools have every time destructed my configs and I had to
> reconfigure all by hand again.

Could you provide some example of this?

I never had such problems in ubuntu!

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Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?

[Wei Chen]

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Greg Folkert wrote:
>   * PV == Physical Volume or some kind of media usable by LVM, these
> have Physical Extents on them.
>   * VG == Volume Group which is measure in two ways, Extents and
> PVs. Logical Extents are the measure in which VGs use the PVs.
> PVs can be added or removed, therefore adding or removing
> Physical Extents. Logical Extents can be 1:1, or 1:X
>   * LV == Logical Volume, this is the piece typically used with
> filesystems on them. Depending on *Policy* or creation
> restrictions, you can have a simple "gobs of disk space", using
> a 1:1 ratio for LE to PE. Or you can simply create a policy to
> have LE == 2 or more PE. The in effect mirrors the Extents on
> separate PVs, eliminating the problems you are talking about. 
> 

So LVM has the power of RAID like redundancy, right?

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KImageMapEditor

[w laoye]

Is this for creating an image-mapped webpage?

After marking out an object in an image and specifying the url, I save up the 
map as a .html file. But when I open the file up with a browser, the object is 
not mouse-sensistive.





 
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Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude

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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
> 
>> It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can
> 
> What are the aptitude equivalents of 
> 
> sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs
> apt-get source grep
> 
> 

Good question.

>> , and in my experience, Synaptic's 
>> GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive
>> mode.
>>
> 
> I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I
> want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I
> do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude.
> For me, the default menu structure is too cumbersome to traverse. I am not
> trying to berate aptitude here, just highlighting some of my
> inconveniences.

I think the best solution is for someone to make a gui front end for
Aptitiude instead of apt-get.  I won't be trying something like that,
it's just an idea.

Just remember though, upgrading X packages while running X is just
asking for troubles.  That's probably why so many of the tools are text
based.  I am super paranoid about it since it bit me before.  I always
make sure X isn't running when I upgrade anything.

It makes me use the console more, which is only a good thing.  Typing:
vi file.txt

is faster than opening a file manager and navigating to it then right
clicking on it and saying edit.

Roberto is right, and with bash autocompletion, it is really a snap.

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Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 04 Apr 2007, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > all.
> 
> It's stable enough for people who care about computers.  OTOH, my
> wife wouldn't care if her box were still Woody.  Same for
> businesses.  If it does what they want, they won't change.
> 


My wife is still using MS-DOS and refuses to change. (And she is only
using a PC because her Amstrad finally gave up the ghost.)

Anthony

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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

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Mirko Scurk wrote:
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> Am 2007-03-20 10:32:06, schrieb H.S.:
>>> I agree with this. In my experience, one can choose to configure every
>>> detail in Ubuntu by editing configuration files, the same way as in
>>> Debian. At the same time, Ubuntu also automates many things and provides
>>> a nice simple GUI for others (source packages gui, update gui, package
>>> installation gui).
>>>
>>> At our univ. we had our Linux image changed to Ubuntu recently. I kind
>>> of manage my own machine, and still use text files for administration
>>> whenever needed, even though I could use Ubuntu's GUI. Just shows that
>>> the user has more than one option to customize her/her system.
>> Sorry, but I have tried (K)Ubuntu several times, but whenever
>> I have configured some things by hand and it WAS working, the
>> GUI tools have every time destructed my configs and I had to
>> reconfigure all by hand again.
> 
> Could you provide some example of this?
> 
> I never had such problems in ubuntu!
> 

Excuse me, please take this issue to the Ubuntu mailing list.

Asking Michelle to reply is going to keep this thread going for another
month.  :)

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Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude

[Celejar]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:28:26 +0200
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> Atis wrote:
> >> You can use both, but you will confuse aptitude in the process.
> >> Aptitude keeps a database so that it knows which packages it pulled in
> >> as dependencies so it can remove them when you remove a package (so long
> >> as no other package is using them).  If you pull things in with any
> >> other package manager, be it apt-get, synaptic, adept, gdebi or
> >> kpackage, aptitude will not know about the dependencies that those
> >> package managers installed and could present problems the next time you
> >> use aptitude because it may remove things that other programs need.
> >>
> >> To sum it up, the best advice is to use aptitude exclusively if you plan
> >> on using it at all.
> > 
> > Isn't it the way around? That aptitude keeps track of packages that
> > are installed automatically, as dependencies, and if you uninstall
> > something, it checks if those dependencies can be removed? Logically
> > thinking, it would be that.
> > 
> > I use synaptics together with aptitude and haven't had any problems with
> > that.
> 
> Then luck has been with you.

I believe Joe is correct; Synaptic and apt-get work fine together, but
they will both confuse aptitude, which maintains more sophisticated
dependency tracking than they do. Either use apt-get / Synaptic, or go
with aptitude. Aptitude, IMO, is the better choice. It's more powerful
and can do anything that apt-get can, and in my experience, Synaptic's
GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive
mode.

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Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?

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Joe Hart wrote:
> Wei Chen wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>> What I currently do to handle scratch installation is that: Before I do
>> the installation, I rename /home to something like /abc to make sure the
>> installation process won't touch it. During the installation, I choose
>> to use existing partition and not to re-partition or format. And after
>> the installation is finished, I remove the new /home that is generated
>> during the installation and rename /abc back.
> 
> Wouldn't it be easier to let the system install in one partition and not
> tell the installer to use your old /home at all.  Then when the install
> is complete, delete the /home that it created and add a line in
> /etc/fstab for your /home instead?
> 
> What an installer doesn't know about, it's less likely to mess up.
> 

Yes, I agree. It is just that it becomes difficult for an existing
system to change its file system without re-install.

If I install the system again or on a new machine, I will consider using
LVM from the very beginning. For the current system, I will think of
whether to change when I have free time. Thanks. :)

BTW, I see the power of LVM now. Just recall that we have a Etch file
server that have two big disks. We have to call them "data1" and "data2"
respectively. This gives the users inconvenience, too.

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Grub question: any risk in doing this?

[Anthony Campbell]

I want to use Sidux to install Debian on a Thinkpad Z61M which has
Ubuntu preinstalled (and I don't want to lose it). Question: is it safe
to let the Sidux installation rewrite grub?

More details if required: I have Ubuntu on a primary partition
/dev/sda3, with /home on a logical partition /dev/sda5.  I want to keep
Ubuntu because I am not sure if I can get wlan to work on Sidux; ditto
suspend to disk.

I am thinking of installing Sidux on /dev/sda1, previously a Windows
partition. If I allow Sidux to rewrite the boot partition to install
grub, will it still be possible to access Ubuntu, presumably by editing
/boot/grub/menu.lst?

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Re: Grub question: any risk in doing this?

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Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I want to use Sidux to install Debian on a Thinkpad Z61M which has
> Ubuntu preinstalled (and I don't want to lose it). Question: is it safe
> to let the Sidux installation rewrite grub?
> 
> More details if required: I have Ubuntu on a primary partition
> /dev/sda3, with /home on a logical partition /dev/sda5.  I want to keep
> Ubuntu because I am not sure if I can get wlan to work on Sidux; ditto
> suspend to disk.
> 
> I am thinking of installing Sidux on /dev/sda1, previously a Windows
> partition. If I allow Sidux to rewrite the boot partition to install
> grub, will it still be possible to access Ubuntu, presumably by editing
> /boot/grub/menu.lst?
> 

I don't think this list is the appropriate place to dicuss this issue,
but...

You have 2 choices.  You can let Sidux install, and tell it's
/boot/grub/menu.list where to find Ubuntu, or you can choose not to let
it install the mbr and tell ubuntu's /boot/grub/menu.list where to find
Sidux.  AFAIK, the Sidux installer will let you define the other OS
during the install so you don't have to modify files manually (but do
check anyway).

What I do?  I keep a private /boot partition and always use my boot
partition, so if one of my distro's update, I have to tell grub to
rewrite the mbr to use my partition.  This is done with:

#grub
grub> root (hd0,0)
grub> setup (hd0)
grub> quit

Keep in mind that if either system updates it's kernel, you will need to
modify the menu.lst that you normally use to boot so that it points to
the new kernel, whichever method you pick.

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Re: Emacs and accented characters

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 23:10:49 +, Marco De Vitis wrote:
> Hi,
> I've got a small annoyance in Etch, but I think it was there in Sarge, too.
> 
> I connect to the Debian machine via ssh (usually from OSX Terminal, but also 
> from PuTTy on Windows the same happens).
> 
> The machine has LANG="en_US.UTF-8". I need to type accented characters from 
> the ISO-8859-1 charset (such as "à" and "è"), and this setting should 
> allow me to do it, being UTF-8.
> Indeed, I can happily type them on the command line, and I can see them in 
> filenames, but I cannot use them in Emacs (21.4.1) or other text editors 
> (tried vi and pico): it looks like some other kind of non-printable code is 
> inserted when I press one of those keys.
> 
> Does anyone know how to fix it? Sounds like a FAQ to me, but I couldn't find 
> anything useful on Google today.

Maybe your emacs runs under an incorrect locale setting for some reason.
Do you still see the correct values if you run "locale" from within
emacs? (M-! lets you run a shell command if I remember correctly.)

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Portable Debian?

[Mirto Silvio Busico]

Hi all,
I need to create a portable Debian (or derivate) system.

My needs are:

* install the system on a bootable USB HD
* install a system that autoconfigure on different hardware (I don't
  know in advance which video card or lan card I'll find when I'll
  use the system)
* the system is mostly used for openoffice presentations and I
  prefer kde

I have to go around doing presentations and FOSS demonstrations.

Anyone have experience about this?
There is any Debian derivate that can be used? (Knoppix, Kanotix...)?
There is sonething like Mandriva Flash
(http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/2007/node_3481)  besd on debian?

Any help will be greately appreciated.

Mirto

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Re: Portable Debian?

[Joe Hart]

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Mirto Silvio Busico wrote:
> Hi all,
> I need to create a portable Debian (or derivate) system.
> 
> My needs are:
> 
> * install the system on a bootable USB HD
> * install a system that autoconfigure on different hardware (I don't
>   know in advance which video card or lan card I'll find when I'll
>   use the system)
> * the system is mostly used for openoffice presentations and I
>   prefer kde
> 
> I have to go around doing presentations and FOSS demonstrations.
> 
> Anyone have experience about this?
> There is any Debian derivate that can be used? (Knoppix, Kanotix...)?
> There is sonething like Mandriva Flash
> (http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/2007/node_3481)  besd on debian?
> 
> Any help will be greately appreciated.
> 
> Mirto
> 

Check out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179

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Re: Portable Debian?

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi!
Well, for xmas i do something like that as gift for my customers.
I prepare a usb with many tiny linux distro bootable via usb and with grub
(to choice the preferred distro).

There are a lot of minimal linux distro, and many are debian based
(DamnSmallLinux, Knoppix, for example).
I think that for your aim you must use a live distro.

It's quite easy to use a live distro in a usb device.
You can :
- format usb devices as fat:
# mkfs.vfat -n  -F 16 

- mount the live cd iso and usb device:
# mount -o loop  
# mount -t vfat  

- copy all content  to  usb device.
# cp -a /* 

-if it's a livecd, probably use syslinux/isolinux to boot, so  find
syslinux.bin and syslinux.cfg (in root directory) OR isolinux.bin and
isolinux.cfg  (in /boot directory);
if you find isolinux.* in /boot directory, copy those files in root
directory, renaming those in syslinux.*:
# cd 
# cp boot/isolinux.bin syslinux.bin
# cp boot/isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg

(you can modifiy syslinux.cfg to change default boot delay, background, font
or to add another distro)

- umount usb device:
# cd
# umount 

- and make it bootable with syslinux:
# syslinux 

Hope it helps you!

Re: Portable Debian?

[Joe Hart]

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Mirco Piccin wrote:
> Hi!
> Well, for xmas i do something like that as gift for my customers.
> I prepare a usb with many tiny linux distro bootable via usb and with
> grub (to choice the preferred distro).
> 
> There are a lot of minimal linux distro, and many are debian based
> (DamnSmallLinux, Knoppix, for example).
> I think that for your aim you must use a live distro.
> 
> It's quite easy to use a live distro in a usb device.
> You can :
> - format usb devices as fat:
> # mkfs.vfat -n  -F 16  example)>
> 
> - mount the live cd iso and usb device:
> # mount -o loop  
> # mount -t vfat  
> 
> - copy all content  to  usb device.
> # cp -a /* 
> 
> -if it's a livecd, probably use syslinux/isolinux to boot, so  find
> syslinux.bin and syslinux.cfg (in root directory) OR isolinux.bin and
> isolinux.cfg  (in /boot directory);
> if you find isolinux.* in /boot directory, copy those files in root
> directory, renaming those in syslinux.*:
> # cd 
> # cp boot/isolinux.bin syslinux.bin
> # cp boot/isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg
> 
> (you can modifiy syslinux.cfg to change default boot delay, background,
> font or to add another distro)
> 
> - umount usb device:
> # cd
> # umount 
> 
> - and make it bootable with syslinux:
> # syslinux 
> 
> Hope it helps you!

That is certainly simpler than the procedure I pointed out with the
link, but doing this will not allow the OP to customize the distro with
only the apps that he wants.  However, if he can find a LiveCD that has
everything he needs, and it fits on his USB stick, then I see no reason
why something like this wouldn't work.

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Re: Portable Debian?

[nicolas . flinois]

The help is located there: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive

"DebianLive: Official Debian effort to build a tool to make Live
Systems, including LiveCDs and installation tools from LiveCDs (i.e to
harddisks or USB keys)."


Set-up a DebianLive system onto you usb HD.

Gal'

2007/4/5, Mirto Silvio Busico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi all,
I need to create a portable Debian (or derivate) system.

My needs are:

* install the system on a bootable USB HD
* install a system that autoconfigure on different hardware (I don't
  know in advance which video card or lan card I'll find when I'll
  use the system)
* the system is mostly used for openoffice presentations and I
  prefer kde

I have to go around doing presentations and FOSS demonstrations.

Anyone have experience about this?
There is any Debian derivate that can be used? (Knoppix, Kanotix...)?
There is sonething like Mandriva Flash
(http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/2007/node_3481)  besd on debian?

Any help will be greately appreciated.

Mirto

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Re: SMTP and ports 25 and 1025.

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> Am 2007-03-20 12:14:26, schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
> > the submission - still more often, because outgoing SMTP connections from
> > dynamic addresses (and often even static) are being blocked by ISPs in an
> > attempt to stop spam spreading from them.

On 04.04.07 20:21, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Since I am more or less mobile in a Motorcaravan, I have the need to go
> to Internet Cafes to send my (postponed) messages.  Now, exactly since
> 7 weeks, the French ISP  is blocking port 25 and I
> can not more send ANY messages to my own ISP .
> 
> "Free.fr" told me I should use there SMTP-Relay  but
> it does not work, since 90% of receivers of my messages rejecting
> messages which come from SMTP-Relays which do not match the Domain-
> Part of the sender.

that's sick "antispam" feature since this is quite common in the world, just
a few mail domains have outgoing server with DNS name in them. No virtual
domains at ISPs I'd say. 

Did you check if your sender domain has SPF records? freenet.de does not
have any. However, courier MTA does have 'freemail' option (in bofh file)
that configures this behavior for configured domains.

> > Although it's of course possible to run unauthenticated submission for local
> > networks on port 587, I'd say that's very bad idea. Using authentication
> > gives benefits like better spam score to the senders, and easier
> > configuration to admins.
> 
> Now I have configured my "ssmtp" on my Laptop to use port 587!!!
> 
> Not realy recommended because now, TLS/SSL does not more work and
> the password is transfered in clear text.  On the other hand, it
> pass the proxy of  and I can send messages again.

You can try port 465, it may be used for smtp/ssl, but it is possible that
they do not allow SSL/TLS at all. You can still ask for encryption.

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Re: shutdown - md0 busy

[Magnus Pedersen]

Artem Zolochevskiy wrote:

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:


So what do you see on the screen after the
Stopping MD array md0... failed (busy)
line?


Will now halt
md: stopping all md devices
md: md0 still in use
Syncronizing SCSI cache for disk sda
Syncronizing SCSI cache for disk sdb
Syncronizing SCSI cache for disk sdc


And is the machine actually shutting down?

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dns cambia sempre

[Armando Sambäk]

ho installato debian etch (sono newbie) il browser parte solo, se cambia
(sempre- dopo cca 10 minuti) il dns,
il nummero mio non rimane, qualcuno mi puo aiutare ? il resto funziona, ma
lo devo impara ancora bene!
ciao a tutti

Re: Postfix-Sender and recipient restriction problem

[Semih Gokalp]

Thanks Mihira very thanks.It works like  below:

--
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access
hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_access reject_unlisted_recipient
check_relay_domains reject_anunth_destination reject_unverified_recipient
reject_unknown_recipient_domain reject_unauth_destination


smtpd_sender_login_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_login_maps
smtpd_reject_unlisted_sender = yes
smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient = yes

smtpd_sender_restrictions =  check_sender_access
hash:/etc/postfix/sender_login_maps reject_unknown_sender_domain
warn_if_reject reject_non_fqdn_sender
reject_unauthenticated_sender_login_mismatch reject_unlisted_sender
reject_unverified_sender reject_sender_login_mismatch
--

I configure mail server for  smtp authentication and I added some parametres
like below:

smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_sasl_local_domain = abc.def

and  smtpd.conf contains:

# *** sasldb ***

pwcheck_method: auxprop
mech_list:digest-md5 cram-md5

# *

and I added user  sasldb2  like  below:

# saslpasswd2 -c -u abc.def -a smtpauth 

and write

# sasldblistusers2

@abc.def: userPassword

and telnet to mail server

# telnet  25

ehlo 

250-server.abc.def
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 1024
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-AUTH DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
250-AUTH=DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
250 8BITMIME

and change sender_recipient_restriction like below:

smtpd_sender_restrictions = reject_sender_login_mismatch check_sender_access
hash:/etc/postfix/sender_login_maps reject_unknown_sender_domain
warn_if_reject reject_non_fqdn_sender
reject_unauthenticated_sender_login_mismatch reject_unlisted_sender
reject_unverified_sender

in short,I moved "reject_sender_login_mismatch" at the top of list.


and create mail account on client with thunderbird and evolution. on
thunderbird configure smtp server setting and I DIDNT click "security and
authentication" checkbox.

and I tried send mail other mail account.

mail server alert(1)  me
"Sender address reject:not logged in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

Its NORMALLY ok.

and I clicked "security and authentication" checkbox and wrote username and
password.I wrote username without @ abc.def  because of
smtpd_sasl_local_domain = abc.def !

and tried again send mail.

Alert(2) is
"Sender address reject:not own by user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> please verify
mail address.".

Open mail.log files and check it.

Sender address rejected: not owned by user [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from=<
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proto=ESMTP helo=<[x.y.z.k]>


I am using courier-imap and each users account username is   NOT <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Problem is: account username and sasldb username NOT same.

courier-imap use authmodulelist="authpam authcram".I cant use "@" unix
username and  sasldb want to @ abc.def  so  courier username ans sasldb
username never be same.


I think I have to user authmodulelist="authuserdb" so what do you think
about this ?

If you have different idea or solve without use authmodulelist="authuserdb"
.Please share with me.

Thanks all.

Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude

[Chris Lale]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Sometime before, I read on this list that it is unwise to mix apt-get and
> aptitude. By mix, I mean using apt-get one time and aptitude another time.
> The reason given was that both of them use different databases. Is this
> true for synaptic and aptitude as well? Can I use synaptic sometimes and
> aptitude some other times? Any ideas?
> 
> I am using Etch (testing) if it matters.
> 

There was a long discussion about this, as you recall. The results are
summarised on the NewbieDOC wiki [1]. Basically, you run

# aptitude install -sf

to see whether Aptitude is confused. If so, run a fix. The global fix is

# aptitude keep-all

[1]
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get

HTH,

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Re: Simplest way to reconstruct /etc/rc?.d

[Andrew Perrin]

While I understand it's not ideal, this does seem to have done the trick. 
I used:


for i in `ls`
do
update-rc.d $i defaults
done



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On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Andrei Popescu wrote:


Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I had a hard drive glitch that seems to have screwed up some of the
/etc/rc?.d links. The /etc/init.d area is fine, but lots of services
are no longer coming up automatically.  I can fix them one at a time
with:

dpkg-reconfigure xdm

replacing xdm with whatever package I've noticed needs to be redone.
But I'd rather just set them all to their defaults, which is what
this system uses anyway. Is there an easy way to do that, instead of
trying to figure out what's broken and fixing it one by one?


'update-rc.d foobar defaults' will set service foobar to default
runlevels. Now you just need a magic shell incantation to do this for
every file in /etc/init.d

HTH,
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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

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Michael M. wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> 
>> Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, 
>> RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
> 
> 
> Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)
> 
> 
Flamebait!  Oh now, now we're going to get a flamewar over which DE is
best.  Just what we need.

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Re: Some cleanup questions

[Jochen Schulz]

Hans du Plooy:
> 
> ii  apache-common 1.3.34-4 support files for all Apache webservers
> ii  apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.3 Next generation, scalable, extendable web se
> 
> Do I need both?

No, only one of them. Which one depends on whether you are running
Apache2 or the earlier version.

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Re: Disk logical backup tools

[Wackojacko]

- Tong - wrote:

Hi,

Is there any tools that can backup disk partitions logically, for both
Linux & Windoze partitions? 


By logical backup I meant, at least the backup tools don't do blind sector
to sector backup. Ideally it would be something like Norton Ghost. I hope
I can use it to backup Windoze partitions under Linux, and restore to
VmWare virtual drives. 


Last time I checked, about a year or two ago, such tools didn't exist
under Linux... 


thank


Is partimage what your looking for?

aptitude show partimage
Package: partimage
New: yes
State: not installed
Version: 0.6.4-17
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Maintainer: Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Uncompressed Size: 942k
Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), 
libnewt0.52, libpam0g (>= 0.76), libslang2 (>= 2.0.6-3), libssl0.9.8 (>=

 0.9.8c-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
Conflicts: partimage-server (< 0.6.0), partimage-doc (<= 20020126-6)
Description: backup partitions into a compressed image file
 Partition Image is a partition imaging utility. It has support for the 
following file systems:

 * Ext2/3, the linux standard
 * Reiser3, a journalised and powerful file system
 * FAT16/32, DOS and Windows file systems
 * HPFS, IBM OS/2 file system
 * JFS, journalised file system, from IBM, used on AIX
 * XFS, another journalised and efficient file system, from sgi, used 
on Irix

 * UFS (beta), Unix file system
 * HFS (beta), MacOS File system
 * NTFS (experimental), Windows NT, 2000 and XP
 Only used blocks are copied and stored into an image file. The image 
file can be compressed in the GZIP/BZIP2 formats to save disk space,
 and split into multiple files to be copied onto removable media (ZIP 
for example), burned on a CD-R, etc.


 This makes it possible to save a full Linux/Windows system with a 
single operation. In case of a problem (virus, crash, error, etc.), you
 just have to restore, and after several minutes, your entire system is 
restored (boot, files, etc.), and fully working.


 This is very useful when installing the same software on many 
machines: just install one of them, create an image, and restore the 
image on

 all other machines.

 Homepage: http://www.partimage.org

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scope::utility, special::not-yet-tagged, special::not-yet-tagged::p,

  works-with::archive

HTH

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Re: Some cleanup questions

[Joe Hart]

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Hans du Plooy wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I'm just cleaning out old packages on my Sarge_upgraded_to_Etch server.
> 
> Noticed these two:
> 
> ii  apache-common 1.3.34-4 support files for all Apache webservers
> ii  apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.3 Next generation, scalable, extendable web se
> 
> Do I need both?
> 
> Thanks
> Hans
> 
> 

Do you use apache? or apache2?  One is version 1.3 and the other 2.2.
The reason they have different names is because some apps work only
under 1.3, so when apache 2 came out, it came as a different package so
it wouldn't clobber everything.

If you're not running a web server, you don't need either of them.

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Re: dovecot does not work

[Jochen Schulz]

Nevruz Mesut Sahin:
>
> Deae friends in my system dovecot 1.0 is running I configured then I
> wrote below commands 

There is no Dovecot 1.0 yet, only a number of 1.0 release candidates
(latest version is RC29, I think). RC29 is in sid, RC15 is in etch.

> chkconfig --level 2345 dovecot on
> chkconfig --list dovecot
> dovecot  0:off 1:off  2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
> service dovecot restart
> Dovecot Imap stoping: [FAÄ°LED]
> Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]
>
> ardından
> service dovecot start
> Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]

...so? In the first try it probably doesn't stop because it hasn't been
started yet. If there are no errors in the syslog (or whereever you let
Dovecot log into), everything should be fine.

BTW, when posting Dovecot-related questions, it is always a good idea to
include the output of 'dovecot -n' to show the non-default configuration
settings that Dovecot is using.

> dear friends is there anyway to configure dovecot with mysql
> authentication without LDAP.

Sure. Did you already check the wiki? You'll need a password database
and a user database. Both of it is quite well documented at
.

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Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 14:37 +0800, Wei Chen wrote:
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> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >   * PV == Physical Volume or some kind of media usable by LVM, these
> > have Physical Extents on them.
> >   * VG == Volume Group which is measure in two ways, Extents and
> > PVs. Logical Extents are the measure in which VGs use the PVs.
> > PVs can be added or removed, therefore adding or removing
> > Physical Extents. Logical Extents can be 1:1, or 1:X
> >   * LV == Logical Volume, this is the piece typically used with
> > filesystems on them. Depending on *Policy* or creation
> > restrictions, you can have a simple "gobs of disk space", using
> > a 1:1 ratio for LE to PE. Or you can simply create a policy to
> > have LE == 2 or more PE. The in effect mirrors the Extents on
> > separate PVs, eliminating the problems you are talking about. 
> > 
> 
> So LVM has the power of RAID like redundancy, right?

Yes, but on a different level. You can also "migrate" data off an
existing PV if you discover it is failing, before it actually does.
Among other things.

LVM is not just about making big pools of disk into one storage area,
though it is usually that way for most people.

If you are interested, you really need to read up on LVM it is the only
way you will know the intricacies of it.
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dovecot does not work

[Nevruz Mesut Sahin]

Deae friends in my system dovecot 1.0 is running I configured then I wrote 
below commands 

chkconfig --level 2345 dovecot on
chkconfig --list dovecot
dovecot  0:off 1:off  2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
service dovecot restart
Dovecot Imap stoping: [FAÄ°LED]
Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]

ardından
service dovecot start
Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]

dear friends is there anyway to configure dovecot with mysql authentication 
without LDAP.
 
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Some cleanup questions

[Hans du Plooy]

Hi guys,

I'm just cleaning out old packages on my Sarge_upgraded_to_Etch server.

Noticed these two:

ii  apache-common 1.3.34-4 support files for all Apache webservers
ii  apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.3 Next generation, scalable, extendable web se

Do I need both?

Thanks
Hans


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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Michael M.]

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:

> Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, 
> RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?


Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)


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Re: dovecot does not work

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 03:54 -0700, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> Deae friends in my system dovecot 1.0 is running I configured then I
> wrote below commands 
> 
> chkconfig --level 2345 dovecot on
> chkconfig --list dovecot
> dovecot  0:off 1:off  2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off

Where do you get this "chkconfig"?

I've search the Debian world and cannot find it.

> service dovecot restart
> Dovecot Imap stoping: [FAÄ°LED]
> Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]
> 
> ardından
> service dovecot start
> Dovecot Imap starting:  [  OK  ]
> 
> dear friends is there anyway to configure dovecot with mysql
> authentication without LDAP.

Are you using Debian at all in this case?
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[OT] Graphics programming

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.

What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
Or something else?

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Relabel partition didn't work

[Manon Metten]

Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux



Hi,

I want to change the name and access point of a partition on my second hd.
It's labeled /xyz now (coz I could think of no better name when installing
etch).
I tried this:

e2label /dev/hdb4
xyz

e2label /dev/hdb4 store

e2label /dev/hdb4
store

So seemingly the label has changed.



I edited /etc/fstab accordingly:

changing  /dev/hdb4   /xyzext3defaults0   2
  to  /dev/hdb4   /store ext3defaults
0   2



Then I rebooted, only to find this message popping up during boot time:

  mount: mount point /store does not exist

There was no further error during boot time and kde was up and running.
Then I'd reset everything and could mount and access /xyz as before.

What did I do wrong and how do I change /xyz to /store?



Greetings, Manon Metten.

Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Joe Hart]

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Manon Metten wrote:
> Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I want to change the name and access point of a partition on my second hd.
> It's labeled /xyz now (coz I could think of no better name when
> installing etch).
> I tried this:
> 
> e2label /dev/hdb4
> xyz
> 
> e2label /dev/hdb4 store
> 
> e2label /dev/hdb4
> store
> 
> So seemingly the label has changed.
> 
> 
> 
> I edited /etc/fstab accordingly:
> 
> changing  /dev/hdb4   /xyzext3defaults0   2
>to  /dev/hdb4   /store ext3defaults   
> 0   2
> 
> 
> 
> Then I rebooted, only to find this message popping up during boot time:
> 
>mount: mount point /store does not exist
> 
> There was no further error during boot time and kde was up and running.
> Then I'd reset everything and could mount and access /xyz as before.
> 
> What did I do wrong and how do I change /xyz to /store?
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings, Manon Metten.
> 
What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
it today, national "People from other distros" day?

Changing the entry in fstab should be enough, but you do need to create
the mountpoint for it.

mkdir /store in your case, but I would strongly suggest that you stick
to POSIX names and mount it to /mnt/store instead, or perhaps /media/store

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Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Dennis G. Wicks]

I think my Firefox/Weasel browser has been hi-jacked.

Regardless the url it displays a page that says "* The Web site for the 
supplied URL is under construction. Please come back and visit soon." 
and an ad for making web sites for funeral homes!


If I use Galeon or lynx I get to the real site.

I tried shutting down all FF/IW sessions but it doesn't
do any good.

Any suggestions on how to stop this?

Many TIA!
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Re: Some cleanup questions [solved]

[Hans du Plooy]

On Thu, April 5, 2007 12:25, Joe Hart wrote:
> Hans du Plooy wrote:
>> ii  apache-common 1.3.34-4 support files for all Apache webservers
>> ii  apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.3 Next generation, scalable, extendable web
>> se
>>
>> Do I need both?
>
> Do you use apache? or apache2?  One is version 1.3 and the other 2.2.
> The reason they have different names is because some apps work only
> under 1.3, so when apache 2 came out, it came as a different package so
> it wouldn't clobber everything.

I'm running Apache2 - always have been.  I was going to remove the 1.3
stuff, but then the description caught my eye: "support files for *all*
Apache webservers" - wasn't sure how broadly I should interpret "all
Apache webservers".

To the bin it goes then!

Thanks!
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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Randy Patterson]

On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian,
> > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
>
> Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)

As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen 
enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really 
have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be 
interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is 
superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the 
functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze to 
Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless! 

One example of what I mean. One of my part time jobs is hosting and setting up 
websites and web apps (ASP/PHP). I cannot work without a password vault of 
some kind because I have way more login information than I could ever 
remember. While setting up a Kmail account I was blown away when it ask me if 
I wanted to store the password in Kwalet! I think in the back of my mind I 
thought I was going to have to give up some functionality for free software 
in moving to Linux. Was I ever so wrong! 

From my point of view the real speed of an OS/Windowing system is not just in 
how fast it will pop a window on the screen, although important, but also in 
how does it, with the functionality it contains, speed you along with the 
work that you have to do? So, do you think Gnome is functionally better and 
KDE and why?

Thanks,
Randy

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Randy Patterson]

On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian,
> > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
>
> Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)

As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen 
enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really 
have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be 
interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is 
superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the 
functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze to 
Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless! 

One example of what I mean. One of my part time jobs is hosting and setting up 
websites and web apps (ASP/PHP). I cannot work without a password vault of 
some kind because I have way more login information than I could ever 
remember. While setting up a Kmail account I was blown away when it ask me if 
I wanted to store the password in Kwalet! I think in the back of my mind I 
thought I was going to have to give up some functionality for free software 
in moving to Linux. Was I ever so wrong! 

From my point of view the real speed of an OS/Windowing system is not just in 
how fast it will pop a window on the screen, although important, but also in 
how does it, with the functionality it contains, speed you along with the 
work that you have to do? So, do you think Gnome is functionally better and 
KDE and why?

Thanks,
Randy

Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Owen Heisler]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:32 +0530, Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> On 4/5/07, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/4/07, Johannes Wiedersich
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you have enough disk space to accomodate your data *without*
> > > compression you could do the following:
> > >
> > > - boot a 'rescue system' (I recommend knoppix) from CD or usb
> > > - mount both your partition and the one with the free space
> > > - rsync -avx your data to the free space
> > > - reformat your partition to ext3 (all data will be lost, so make sure
> > >   you have good backups!)
> > > - rsync all your data back to the new ext3-partition
> > > - adjust your /etc/fstab (replace reiserfs by ext3)
> > > - cross your fingers and reboot
> >
> > OK, but  if copy the file to  fat32 partion,  any problem ?
> >
> 
> You'll lose the permission bits and owner/group, etc.  (Maybe even
> filename case, but I'm not sure).  Use tar if all you have is fat32.

Note too that FAT32 maximum file size is 4GB.


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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Randy Patterson]

Oops! Sorry about that! Kmail gave me an error on the first send so I didn't 
think it was sent out.

On Thursday 05 April 2007 07:33, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian,
> > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
> >
> > Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)
>
> As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen
> enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really
> have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be
> interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is
> superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the
> functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze
> to Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless!
>
> One example of what I mean. One of my part time jobs is hosting and setting
> up websites and web apps (ASP/PHP). I cannot work without a password vault
> of some kind because I have way more login information than I could ever
> remember. While setting up a Kmail account I was blown away when it ask me
> if I wanted to store the password in Kwalet! I think in the back of my mind
> I thought I was going to have to give up some functionality for free
> software in moving to Linux. Was I ever so wrong!
>
> From my point of view the real speed of an OS/Windowing system is not just
> in how fast it will pop a window on the screen, although important, but
> also in how does it, with the functionality it contains, speed you along
> with the work that you have to do? So, do you think Gnome is functionally
> better and KDE and why?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Kevin Mark]

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian,
> > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
> >
> > Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)
> 
> As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen 
> enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really 
> have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be 
> interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is 
> superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the 
> functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze to 
> Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless! 
One of the things about the free software world is that you dont have
the artifical issues about cost to consider. Most newbies try a few
distros, try a few windowmanager, a few text editors, etc. With the
issue of cost out of the way, it all about find out what works for you
and even pitching in to make something even better by making a tweak for
your own needs and sometimes giving that back for others to enjoy. 
I'm currently using xfce4 as my system has 256mb and xfce is gaining
some nice integration. Free software extends your investment in hardware
by maybe double.
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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> On 4/5/07, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You'll lose the permission bits and owner/group, etc.  (Maybe even
> filename case, but I'm not sure).  Use tar if all you have is fat32.

seconded.

If it's of importance also check the maximum file size of your fat32.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat32
the maximum file size on fat32 is 4GB.

HTH,

Johannes


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kino problem: No GLIBC_2.4

[Thomas H. George]

I installed kino with apt-get.  Capture from my video camera worked fine 
but export to dvd failed.  Help showed mjpegtools was required.  When 
apt-cache search couldn't find it I downloaded a copy from the 
internet.  With mjpegtools installed export still failed with a message 
"mjpeg2enc: /lib/libc.so.6 version GLIBC_2.4 required."


On my old slow box kino export worked without this problem.  The old box 
was Etch upgraded from Sarge with a home-rolled 2.6.18 kernel.  The new 
box is a netinst of Etch with a stock 2.6.18-4-amd64 kernel.


Is the problem with the version of mjpegtools I found?  If so, where can 
I find a version that will work with the Debian version of kino?


Tom George


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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Michael Pobega]

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:34:03AM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:32 +0530, Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> > On 4/5/07, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 4/4/07, Johannes Wiedersich
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If you have enough disk space to accomodate your data *without*
> > > > compression you could do the following:
> > > >
> > > > - boot a 'rescue system' (I recommend knoppix) from CD or usb
> > > > - mount both your partition and the one with the free space
> > > > - rsync -avx your data to the free space
> > > > - reformat your partition to ext3 (all data will be lost, so make sure
> > > >   you have good backups!)
> > > > - rsync all your data back to the new ext3-partition
> > > > - adjust your /etc/fstab (replace reiserfs by ext3)
> > > > - cross your fingers and reboot
> > >
> > > OK, but  if copy the file to  fat32 partion,  any problem ?
> > >
> > 
> > You'll lose the permission bits and owner/group, etc.  (Maybe even
> > filename case, but I'm not sure).  Use tar if all you have is fat32.
> 
> Note too that FAT32 maximum file size is 4GB.
>

Also might want to note that you WILL lose filename case, FAT32 only
allows for lowercase characters in filenames. 

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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Pierre THIERRY]

Scribit Dennis G. Wicks dies 05/04/2007 hora 08:28:
> I think my Firefox/Weasel browser has been hi-jacked.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Any suggestions on how to stop this?

Backup your FF private dir to be able to inspect it later and see what
happened, but get it out of the way, so that you start a clean browser
session.

$ mv ~/.firefox ~/.firefox.bak

If you didn't make the utterly stupid mistake to browse the Web while
being root and have not installed as root some malware, that should
resolve the problem entirely.

Quickly,
Pierre
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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Joe Hart]

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Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> I think my Firefox/Weasel browser has been hi-jacked.
> 
> Regardless the url it displays a page that says "* The Web site for the
> supplied URL is under construction. Please come back and visit soon."
> and an ad for making web sites for funeral homes!
> 
> If I use Galeon or lynx I get to the real site.
> 
> I tried shutting down all FF/IW sessions but it doesn't
> do any good.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to stop this?
> 
> Many TIA!
> Dennis
> *
> 
> 

Perhaps uninstalling (purging) the one you have and installing it again
will solve your problem.

Joe

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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Michael Pobega]

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote:
> > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian,
> > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
> >
> > Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)
> 
> As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen 
> enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really 
> have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be 
> interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is 
> superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the 
> functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze to 
> Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless! 
> 

It really depends on what you want. KDE is better if you want to fine
tune how your system runs (But KDE is sluggish in my opinion), GNOME
is a /bit/ lighter without much customization involved. Xfce is the
best of the three in my experience, giving the user both control and
speed.

Or, if you want to really save your CPU cycles, try a window manager.
Fluxbox/FVWM/WindowMaker are the best in my opinion, I personally use
Window Maker (As I've stated dozens of times on these mailing lists).

You really don't have to worry about desktop integration, because if
you love Kmail and Kwallet then you could run the Kwallet daemon when
you log in and have all of the functionality of Kwallet in say,
GNOME/Fluxbox.

# aptitude install fluxbox wmaker icewm gnome-core kde-core xfce4 xfwm4

And give them all a shot :)
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Re: Desktop user: Etch or the next testing?

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 02:25:47PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote:
 
> >> 5) Is there an easy and supported way to convert my current disks (and
> >> data on the disks) to LVM?
> > 
> > As Doug said, and because lv are just normal partitions that are
> > mounted normally, you are just asking to move your current partitions
> > to new ones. I think you can do it by booting on a live-cd, preparing
> > new partitions, moving the files chroot into moved env, rewriting
> > fstab ...
> > 
> 
> I thought it was possible to boot from live cd, copy all files to one
> disk, say B (remove some of them to save space) and then do a LVM on
> another disk (A), then copy files to the LVM disk A, then make B a new
> LV to add to the existing VG.
> 

Choices, choices.  You can do it any number of ways.  Here's another
one:

If you can move all your data to one disk, set the other disk up as a
(degraded) one-volume raid1.  Set up LVM on that md0.  Move your data
onto that.  Then add the second disk into the raid1 array and wait for
it to sync.

Doug.


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Re: kino problem: No GLIBC_2.4

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:01 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I installed kino with apt-get.  Capture from my video camera worked fine 
> but export to dvd failed.  Help showed mjpegtools was required.  When 
> apt-cache search couldn't find it I downloaded a copy from the 
> internet.  With mjpegtools installed export still failed with a message 
> "mjpeg2enc: /lib/libc.so.6 version GLIBC_2.4 required."

Here again, glibc2.4 drop non-pthread stuffs and many architectures
still depend on that.

Seen here: http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/debian/glibc_2.3

> On my old slow box kino export worked without this problem.  The old box 
> was Etch upgraded from Sarge with a home-rolled 2.6.18 kernel.  The new 
> box is a netinst of Etch with a stock 2.6.18-4-amd64 kernel.
> 
> Is the problem with the version of mjpegtools I found?  If so, where can 
> I find a version that will work with the Debian version of kino?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search mjpeg
avifile-mjpeg-plugin - MJPEG video plugin for libavifile
cortado - streaming applet for Ogg formats
motioneye - ppm/jpg snapshots or mjpeg compressed video on Vaio Laptops
3gpwiz - 3gp movie wizard
libmjpegtools-dev - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
libmjpegtools0 - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
libmpeg4ip-0 - end-to-end system to explore streaming multimedia
libmpeg4ip-dev - end-to-end system to explore streaming multimedia
libmpeg4ip-doc - end-to-end system to explore streaming multimedia - 
documentati on
mjpegtools - MJPEG video capture/editting/playback MPEG encoding
mpeg4ip-server - end-to-end system to explore streaming multimedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy mjpegtools
mjpegtools:
  Installed: 1:1.8.0-0.4
  Candidate: 1:1.8.0-0.4
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.8.0-0.4 0
500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Okay then, here is the deal, you need to add the Debian Multimedia stuff
to youe /etc/apt/sources.list

Since you are using Etch, add:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

do the obligatory updates and install the proper packages using aptitude
or synaptic... and voila, you are all good.
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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Joe Hart]

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Kevin Mark wrote:
[snip]
>> As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen 
>> enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really 
>> have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would be 
>> interested in knowing from your experience why you feel that Gnome is 
>> superior to KDE. I guess what I am looking for deals more with the 
>> functionality than anything else and not speed. So far going from Windoze to 
>> Linux/KDE is like going from dialup to wireless! 

> One of the things about the free software world is that you dont have
> the artifical issues about cost to consider. Most newbies try a few
> distros, try a few windowmanager, a few text editors, etc. With the
> issue of cost out of the way, it all about find out what works for you
> and even pitching in to make something even better by making a tweak for
> your own needs and sometimes giving that back for others to enjoy. 
> I'm currently using xfce4 as my system has 256mb and xfce is gaining
> some nice integration. Free software extends your investment in hardware
> by maybe double.

Well said Kevin.  Personally, I started out with Gnome but switched to
KDE because it has more options to configure it the way I like it.
Interoperability between the different KDE programs is very good, and it
has a consistant interface.  Gnome has the consistant interface, but
lacks some of the configurability of KDE and also has IMO, one of the
worst file managers produced.

It has been said that KDE also more resembles Windows, so you can get
used to using it much quicker.  I don't really agree with that because
KDE has a lot more functionality than Windows does.  If your machine is
older, and you don't have a lot of memory, then I would suggest you try
xfce.  Kevin uses it, and one of my old computers uses it.

Just because distributions default to something doesn't mean that other
things don't work on them.  The beauty of Debian is that almost
everything is available in the repositories.  You can use whatever you
feel most comfortable with.  The only way you will know what fits you
best is to try them.  Don't take anyone else's word, including mine.

Joe

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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:38:13PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, 
> >> RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?
> > 
> > Because Gnome is superior, of course.  :-)
> > 
> Flamebait!  Oh now, now we're going to get a flamewar over which DE is
> best.  Just what we need.

Desktop environment:  
A constant 22 C while I type at the command line.

Eye Candy: 
Typing on the command line:
setterm -background green -foreground red -store

Mouse:
Device whose job it is to pull your hand from the home keys.

Minimal command line interface:
no monitor, no graphics card, no terminal, just a 
dot matrix printer and a keyboard.
Yup, did that once when I _really_ needed to fix
something.  Yae Ed!

:)

Doug.


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Re: Portable Debian?

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:30:34AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Mirco Piccin wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Well, for xmas i do something like that as gift for my customers.
> > I prepare a usb with many tiny linux distro bootable via usb and with
> > grub (to choice the preferred distro).
> > 
> > There are a lot of minimal linux distro, and many are debian based
> > (DamnSmallLinux, Knoppix, for example).
> > I think that for your aim you must use a live distro.
> > 
> > It's quite easy to use a live distro in a usb device.
> > You can :
> > - format usb devices as fat:
> > # mkfs.vfat -n  -F 16  > example)>
> > 
> > - mount the live cd iso and usb device:
> > # mount -o loop  
> > # mount -t vfat  
> > 
> > - copy all content  to  usb device.
> > # cp -a /* 
> > 
> > -if it's a livecd, probably use syslinux/isolinux to boot, so  find
> > syslinux.bin and syslinux.cfg (in root directory) OR isolinux.bin and
> > isolinux.cfg  (in /boot directory);
> > if you find isolinux.* in /boot directory, copy those files in root
> > directory, renaming those in syslinux.*:
> > # cd 
> > # cp boot/isolinux.bin syslinux.bin
> > # cp boot/isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg
> > 
> > (you can modifiy syslinux.cfg to change default boot delay, background,
> > font or to add another distro)
> > 
> > - umount usb device:
> > # cd
> > # umount 
> > 
> > - and make it bootable with syslinux:
> > # syslinux 
> > 
> > Hope it helps you!
> 
> That is certainly simpler than the procedure I pointed out with the
> link, but doing this will not allow the OP to customize the distro with
> only the apps that he wants.  However, if he can find a LiveCD that has
> everything he needs, and it fits on his USB stick, then I see no reason
> why something like this wouldn't work.
> 
> Joe
>

I may be wrong, but I remember there was a LiveCD that if you put .deb
files in the /deb folder it would automatically install them at boot
time (And there was a certain way to handle dependencies, too).

Perhaps I'm thinking of DSL or Knoppix?
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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
> plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
> colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
> you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.
> 
> What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
> Or something else?

Personally, I only program in two languages: Fortran and Python.  So I
would suggest python.

Doug.


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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Mike Bird]

On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
> What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
> it today, national "People from other distros" day?

That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:

$ dpkg -S e2label
e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
$

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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:06:51AM -0500, Manon Metten wrote:
> Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> I want to change the name and access point of a partition on my second hd.
> It's labeled /xyz now (coz I could think of no better name when installing
> etch).
> I tried this:
> 
> e2label /dev/hdb4
> xyz
> e2label /dev/hdb4 store
> e2label /dev/hdb4
> store
> So seemingly the label has changed.
> I edited /etc/fstab accordingly:
> 
> changing  /dev/hdb4   /xyzext3defaults0   2
>   to  /dev/hdb4   /store ext3defaults
> 0   2
> 
> Then I rebooted, only to find this message popping up during boot time:
> 
>   mount: mount point /store does not exist
> 
> There was no further error during boot time and kde was up and running.
> Then I'd reset everything and could mount and access /xyz as before.
> 
> What did I do wrong and how do I change /xyz to /store?

You're confusing disk lables with mount points.  Your fstab doesn't have
disklables in it.  You told mount to mount /dev/hdb4 on /store, so it
looks for the directory /store, which doesn't exist.

So backup:

What are you trying to do?

Doug.


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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Pierre THIERRY]

Scribit Jan Willem Stumpel dies 05/04/2007 hora 13:51:
> What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?  Or
> something else?

The Cairo library should probably offer everything you could want, and
more. It has numerous bindings for languages, so pick one. It's written
in C, and integrated in GTK+.

There are C++ bindings, which by the way make using the object oriented
nature of GTK+ probably easier to use. Debian already contains bindings
for Perl, Python, Ruby, C++, Ada, Java, .NET and two Scheme
implementations, AFAICT. These are bindings for GTK, so I'm not sure
they all provide access to Cairo, though.

See also .

Quickly,
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Re: dns cambia sempre

[Michael Pobega]

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:27:14AM +0200, Armando Sambäk wrote:
> ho installato debian etch (sono newbie) il browser parte solo, se cambia
> (sempre- dopo cca 10 minuti) il dns,
> il nummero mio non rimane, qualcuno mi puo aiutare ? il resto funziona, ma
> lo devo impara ancora bene!
> ciao a tutti

I'm assuming that this is either Spanish or Italian (I'm not the
master of spoken language, I much prefer programming languages :D)

There are mailing lists for other languages:

debian-user-spanish

Although there doesn't seem to be one for Italians. Google around a
bit, I remember there being a forum for one (If that was Italian, I'm
not sure).
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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Pierre THIERRY]

Scribit Douglas Allan Tutty dies 05/04/2007 hora 09:32:
> Personally, I only program in two languages: Fortran and Python.  So I
> would suggest python.

Why not Fortran? ;-)

Curiously,
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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 19:09 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> . gconf spews all sorts of errors into log files.

Not true as of 2.18.0.1-2.

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Re: Emacs and accented characters

[Marco De Vitis]

On 05/04/2007 10:00, Florian Kulzer wrote:


Maybe your emacs runs under an incorrect locale setting for some reason.
Do you still see the correct values if you run "locale" from within
emacs? (M-! lets you run a shell command if I remember correctly.)


Yes, the output is the same:

LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
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Re: Emacs and accented characters

[Marco De Vitis]

On 05/04/2007 7:40, Kevin Mark wrote:


I recently started with the keymap with deadkeys and that seems to work.
Havent tried it with emacs.


Sorry, what do you mean?
You mean you selected a different keymap for the whole system?
My accented chars seem to work fine outside emacs (e.g. in bash), the 
problem is inside emacs...


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Re: KImageMapEditor

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 00:01:51 -0700, w laoye wrote:
> Is this for creating an image-mapped webpage?

Mostly it is just a tool to generate the image map itself, saving you
the trouble of measuring the pixel coordinates yourself. It wraps this
map into a very rudimentary HTML document but that seems to be broken.

> After marking out an object in an image and specifying the url, I save
> up the map as a .html file. But when I open the file up with a
> browser, the object is not mouse-sensistive.

Here is the relevant part of the HTML output:



  


You have to change the first line of this snippet to



and the map will be activated.

(My installed version of the kimagemapeditor package is 4:3.5.6-1.)

P.S. Please try to turn off HTML when you send messages to this list.

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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Michael Pobega wrote:
> 
> Also might want to note that you WILL lose filename case, FAT32 only
> allows for lowercase characters in filenames. 

That would only be the filename of the tar-file, so it doesn't really
mater.

Johannes


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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)]

On 4/5/07, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:34:03AM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:32 +0530, Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> > On 4/5/07, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 4/4/07, Johannes Wiedersich
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > If you have enough disk space to accomodate your data *without*
> > > > compression you could do the following:
> > > >
> > > > - boot a 'rescue system' (I recommend knoppix) from CD or usb
> > > > - mount both your partition and the one with the free space
> > > > - rsync -avx your data to the free space
> > > > - reformat your partition to ext3 (all data will be lost, so make
sure
> > > >   you have good backups!)
> > > > - rsync all your data back to the new ext3-partition
> > > > - adjust your /etc/fstab (replace reiserfs by ext3)
> > > > - cross your fingers and reboot
> > >
> > > OK, but  if copy the file to  fat32 partion,  any problem ?
> > >
> >
> > You'll lose the permission bits and owner/group, etc.  (Maybe even
> > filename case, but I'm not sure).  Use tar if all you have is fat32.
>
> Note too that FAT32 maximum file size is 4GB.
>

Also might want to note that you WILL lose filename case, FAT32 only
allows for lowercase characters in filenames.



Thanks, i am going to try now, i will inform you the result.

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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Sven Arvidsson wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 19:09 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
>> . gconf spews all sorts of errors into log files.
> 
> Not true as of 2.18.0.1-2.
> 

Too bad that this is not in Etch. But good to know.

thanks
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Re: GPL v3?

[John Hasler]

I wrote:
> Software patents are an unmitigated evil.  However, attempting to fix a
> patent problem with a copyright license is a serious error.

Joe writes:
> Agreed, but how else can one do it if congress is unwilling to make a new
> law or repeal an existing one?

"Something must be done.  This is something.  Therefor it must be done."

Would you fix a flat tire by putting water in the gas tank because you lack
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Re: dovecot does not work

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 08:02 -0700, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> I am using Fedora core 5

Then WHY oh WHY would you ask a Debian Linux mailing list? We have
neither the inclination not the reasoning to answer a completely
divorced from Debian goals Distro.

Go to on of the mailing lists, dedicated to Fedora Core.


> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 03:54 -0700, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> > Deae friends in my system dovecot 1.0 is running I
> configured then I
> > wrote below commands 
> > 
> > chkconfig --level 2345 dovecot on
> > chkconfig --list dovecot
> > dovecot 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
> 
> Where do you get this "chkconfig"?
> 
> I've search the Debian world and cannot find it.
> 
> > service dovecot restart
> > Dovecot Imap stoping: [FAÄ°LED]
> > Dovecot Imap starting: [ OK ]
> > 
> > ardından
> > service dovecot start
> > Dovecot Imap starting: [ OK ]
> > 
> > dear friends is there anyway to configure dovecot with mysql
> > authentication without LDAP.
> 
> Are you using Debian at all in this case?
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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[John Hasler]

Doug writes:
> Minimal command line interface:
>   no monitor, no graphics card, no terminal, just a 
>   dot matrix printer and a keyboard.
>   Yup, did that once when I _really_ needed to fix
>   something.

You really don't want to get into that competition here.
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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 03:41:20PM +0200, Pierre THIERRY wrote:
> Scribit Douglas Allan Tutty dies 05/04/2007 hora 09:32:
> > Personally, I only program in two languages: Fortran and Python.  So I
> > would suggest python.
> 
> Why not Fortran? ;-)

Python is easier to get stuff done in.  My usual routine is to write it
in python and see how it goes.  If something takes too long, I write
that section in fortran, keeping python as the front-end.  

I don't do anything fancy like multi-language calls, I just write a
black-box fortran program that takes stdin, processes it, then writes to
stdout.  Then use the standard os.popen3 to communicate.  

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Re: OT: Linux or Cisco

[Andy Smith]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:05:57AM +0530, CCNAStuff wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have started studying for CCNA using CBTNuggets.

They're pretty good.  I crammed my CCNA with that.  No substitute to
real world experience of course.

> Meanwhile I looked for options in the Linux world and there are
> exams from LPI and RedHat. I have some 2 years' Linux experience
> but am equally interested in CCNA/networking. I understand that I
> can not have both at the same time. So please advise what will be
> the right way to go.

You can be experienced in both, but you may find it difficult to be
certified in both since the certifications cost money and not many
employers would be willing to pay for sysadmins to do Cisco courses
and vice versa.

> I have a few months experience working on a router too, so router
> commands are easy for me to learn. I feel that in Linux I will
> need to learn vast amounts instead of for CCNA.
> 
> Will I be able to get a job as a CCNA fresher sooner than I will as 
> experienced Linux admin?

You would be junior in both areas so I don't think there is much in
it.  My overwhelming advice to you would be to work out what you
LIKE to do, and pursue that.  You will spend a significant portion
of your life doing your dayjob and if it's something you picked just
based on how easy it was to get the job then it's likely that it
won't be very fulfilling.

> In SysAdmin, the problem getting a job nowadays seems the "extra
> things" employers want us to know (things like SAN/NAS and more).
> Do I need to know similar things even after being a CCNA?

When going for a junior role the most important thing is being able
to learn new things and being able to demonstrate that.  If your job
needs you to know about SANs then getting a CCNA won't help because
it has nothing to do with SANs.  It might help convince people that
you're a sysadmin who can learn things quickly though.

CCNA itself is a rather low level networking qualification and a
senior network engineer would need to know a lot more, so then the
other certifications come into play.

> I already get about 4 - 5 mails everyday for
> sysadmin/Linux/Solaris jobs. But most of these want a Solaris
> admin or want me to know C/C++ or MySQL/PHP or Perl Scripting or
> Oracle which I do not know. Plain Linux Sysadmin jobs seem
> difficult to be found!

Sysadmins are expected to know everything :)

> I would try the LPI certification, not RHCE since LPI is
> vendor-independant.

RHCE is not that bad.  Not much of it is focused on red hat's
proprietary tools.  At least that was the case 18 months ago when I
did one.

Problem with LPI is very few employers have heard of it.  Can't hurt
though.  A good interviewer will disregard the fact that you HAVE
the certificate and focus on asking you to demonstrate the knowledge
instead.  The certificate is good for getting you the interview, not
the job IMHO.  Of course there are bad interviewers though.

> So, I see that I have equal amount of interest in CCNA concepts as
> in Linux. I listen to audiowhiz questions/answers when not in
> front of the computer and enjoy it. I see that once a new concept
> I hear, I don't forget it.
> 
> Given these things, will I be able to complete studying CCNA in about 15 days?

Sounds like it.  It's hard to say.  It's not complicated, it is
possible to cram, but I came to it with broad general knowledge of
networking already.

Good luck.

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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

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Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have only had Debian up and going for about two weeks. Had Sarge
> installed but had problems with my USB hardware so just did a clean
> install of Etch.  Works great!! Since I am a new user I don't have a
> favorite windowing system that I prefer and was wondering if someone
> to point me to a good link that would describe the strengths and
> weaknesses or pros and cons of each system.  KDE installed as default
> with Sarge and Etch so I assume they chose that for a reason and it is
> the only one I have used. I have looked but haven't been able to find
> a good comparison them.

You're better off just installing all three and test them out.  I think
they are pretty feature-equivalent these days.

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Re: GPG and Signing

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"Seth Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> S/MIME was intended to work with a certification authority (CA) model
> based on a small number of universally trusted root CA's, while PGP
> assumed a distributed web of trust model based on personal
> relationships between individual users.  There's no technical reason a
> CA can't sign a PGP key, but this was not the intended mode of use.  I
> suggest the problem wasn't MS's inability to implement PGP (it's no
> harder than S/MIME), but more likely they couldn't see a way to make
> money from it.  Instead, they built native S/MIME support into their
> MUA's, built a certificate store into their operating system and
> bought VeriSign.

Couple of points.  There are lots of stuff MS does that don't make them
money.  Also, I don't believe they own VeriSign. 

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Re: Disk logical backup tools

[Johannes Wiedersich]

On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:24, - Tong - wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any tools that can backup disk partitions logically, for both
> Linux & Windoze partitions?

from man ntfsclone:
NTFSCLONE(8)

NAME
   ntfsclone - Efficiently clone, image, restore or rescue an NTFS

It's part of the ntfsprogs package.

For win32 etc. and linux partitions, I just copy the files. Linux is
powerful enough to recover/recreate partitions as you need them.

Partimage has already been suggested; for ntfs I would prefer ntfsclone,
though.

> By logical backup I meant, at least the backup tools don't do blind sector
> to sector backup. Ideally it would be something like Norton Ghost. I hope
> I can use it to backup Windoze partitions under Linux, and restore to
> VmWare virtual drives.

Don't know, if this works to restore for VMware.  

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Re: Portable Debian?

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> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:30:34AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Mirco Piccin wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, for xmas i do something like that as gift for my customers.
>>> I prepare a usb with many tiny linux distro bootable via usb and with
>>> grub (to choice the preferred distro).
>>>
>>> There are a lot of minimal linux distro, and many are debian based
>>> (DamnSmallLinux, Knoppix, for example).
>>> I think that for your aim you must use a live distro.
>>>
>>> It's quite easy to use a live distro in a usb device.
>>> You can :
>>> - format usb devices as fat:
>>> # mkfs.vfat -n  -F 16 >> example)>
>>>
>>> - mount the live cd iso and usb device:
>>> # mount -o loop  
>>> # mount -t vfat  
>>>
>>> - copy all content  to  usb device.
>>> # cp -a /* 
>>>
>>> -if it's a livecd, probably use syslinux/isolinux to boot, so  find
>>> syslinux.bin and syslinux.cfg (in root directory) OR isolinux.bin and
>>> isolinux.cfg  (in /boot directory);
>>> if you find isolinux.* in /boot directory, copy those files in root
>>> directory, renaming those in syslinux.*:
>>> # cd 
>>> # cp boot/isolinux.bin syslinux.bin
>>> # cp boot/isolinux.cfg syslinux.cfg
>>>
>>> (you can modifiy syslinux.cfg to change default boot delay, background,
>>> font or to add another distro)
>>>
>>> - umount usb device:
>>> # cd
>>> # umount 
>>>
>>> - and make it bootable with syslinux:
>>> # syslinux 
>>>
>>> Hope it helps you!
>> That is certainly simpler than the procedure I pointed out with the
>> link, but doing this will not allow the OP to customize the distro with
>> only the apps that he wants.  However, if he can find a LiveCD that has
>> everything he needs, and it fits on his USB stick, then I see no reason
>> why something like this wouldn't work.
> 
> I may be wrong, but I remember there was a LiveCD that if you put .deb
> files in the /deb folder it would automatically install them at boot
> time (And there was a certain way to handle dependencies, too).
> 
> Perhaps I'm thinking of DSL or Knoppix?

Maybe, I never tried it.  I would suppose that would work if you make
your own liveCD, but not with an existing one AFAIK.  I only use grml as
a liveCD so I can do a partimage of my / drive.  I do that once in a
while to make sure I have a good backup.

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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

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> On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
>> What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
>> it today, national "People from other distros" day?
> 
> That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:
> 
> $ dpkg -S e2label
> e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
> e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
> $
> 
> --Mike Bird
> 
> 
Yeah, which repo is it in?  It doesn't show up in anything I have.

apt-cache shows zilch.

Can you show me you're apt-cache show e2label?

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Re: Some cleanup questions

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:23:46PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Hans du Plooy:
> > 
> > ii  apache-common 1.3.34-4 support files for all Apache webservers
> > ii  apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.3 Next generation, scalable, extendable web se
> > 
> > Do I need both?
> 
> No, only one of them. Which one depends on whether you are running
> Apache2 or the earlier version.
> 
IIRC, the apachetop package depends on apache-common, even if you are
running apache2.

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Re: Some cleanup questions [solved]

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:29:36PM +0100, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> 
> I'm running Apache2 - always have been.  I was going to remove the 1.3
> stuff, but then the description caught my eye: "support files for *all*
> Apache webservers" - wasn't sure how broadly I should interpret "all
> Apache webservers".
> 
That description was likely written before apache2 was packaged.
Remember, that there are different MPM packages for both apache.

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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
> plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
> colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
> you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.
> 
> What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
> Or something else?
> 
Personally, I would recommend wxWidgets.  However, it is C++ and not C.
The reason I say that is because it then makes your programs portable
and learning wxWidgets is no more difficult than Xlib or any other lower
level drawing library.

Regards,

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Re: GPL v3?

[Joe Hart]

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John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
>> Software patents are an unmitigated evil.  However, attempting to fix a
>> patent problem with a copyright license is a serious error.
> 
> Joe writes:
>> Agreed, but how else can one do it if congress is unwilling to make a new
>> law or repeal an existing one?
> 
> "Something must be done.  This is something.  Therefor it must be done."
> 
> Would you fix a flat tire by putting water in the gas tank because you lack
> an air pump?

Of course not.  I am not going to debate this issue, because there are
enough lawyers battling it out.

If you're so against the GPLv3, then by all means take it up with the
FSF.  Don't forget that I agree with you.  All I did was point out that
the FSF is doing what they think is right.

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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Cédric Lucantis]

Le jeudi 5 avril 2007 13:51, Jan Willem Stumpel a écrit :
> I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
> plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
> colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
> you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.
>
> What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
> Or something else?
>

I'd suggest Allegro : http://alleg.sourceforge.net (use the 4.2, as 4.3 is not 
really usable actually)

it's a game development library, so a little bit more general than what you 
want, but it's in C, well documented and very easy to use. And it has been 
ported on many platforms, inlcuding MSDOS :)

There's also SDL (http://www.libsdl.org) which is equivalent (maybe better) 
but I don't know much about it.

There are debian packages for both of these.

I think C (or C++) is a good choice for what you want to do if you want good 
performances. If you don't really care about it, some scripting language like 
python may be better (they all generally provide an image manipulation 
module).

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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 18:17:59 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
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> 
> Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
> >> it today, national "People from other distros" day?
> > 
> > That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:
> > 
> > $ dpkg -S e2label
> > e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
> > e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
> > $
> > 
> > --Mike Bird
> > 
> > 
> Yeah, which repo is it in?  It doesn't show up in anything I have.
> 
> apt-cache shows zilch.
> 
> Can you show me you're apt-cache show e2label?

That comes up empty for me. The package description of e2fsprogs does
not contain a list of all included commands, therefore apt-cache cannot
find them.

Apt-file is the tool of choice in such cases:

$ apt-file search e2label
e2fsprogs: sbin/e2label
e2fsprogs: usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz

[ rest of output snipped ]

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Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude

[Celejar]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:20:12 -0400
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Celejar wrote:
> 
> > 
> > It's more powerful and can do anything that apt-get can
> 
> What are the aptitude equivalents of 
> 
> sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs

Interesting point. Google found this:

http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep

> apt-get source grep

Anyway, apparently I was wrong; aptitude can't do quite everything that
apt-get can. Live and learn ...

> > , and in my experience, Synaptic's 
> > GUI doesn't add much value, and you can use aptitude in interactive
> > mode.
> > 
> 
> I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I
> want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I
> do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude.

What about '/' (opens the regex search bar) followed by '^vim' ?

> For me, the default menu structure is too cumbersome to traverse. I am not
> trying to berate aptitude here, just highlighting some of my
> inconveniences.

I know what you mean, but it doesn't take that long to get used to, and
once you do you may like it. YMMV, of course.

Celejar


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Re: Debian User List

[Andrew Malcolmson]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:10:56AM -0400, Daniel B. wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> >> If the list is getting RTFM questions, it also means that the manuals are
> >> just not good enough to be understood. So probably trying to improve the
> 
> Or people aren't finding the documentation.

One idea I heard recently is to use the Debian wiki package pages as a
central resource on the package.  Users could add tips and links to
external resources and the package maintainer could occasionally prune
out outdated info.

The page could include resources that newbies wouldn't think to check
like links to its QA pages/bug listings, and maybe an online version of
the docs in /usr/share/doc/

I've found the biggest challenge in settting up fast moving features
like Xen on Debian is finding *current* documentation.  A Debian Wiki
package page would I think get the attention needed to achieve this.


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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 18:17 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
> >> it today, national "People from other distros" day?
> > 
> > That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:
> > 
> > $ dpkg -S e2label
> > e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
> > e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
> > $
> > 
> > --Mike Bird
> > 
> > 
> Yeah, which repo is it in?  It doesn't show up in anything I have.
> 
> apt-cache shows zilch.
> 
> Can you show me you're apt-cache show e2label?

It is in Stable:
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=stable&arch=i386

It is in Testing:
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=testing&arch=i386

It is in Unstable:
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=unstable&arch=i386

Heck, even in Oldstable:
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=oldstable&arch=i386

The listing for the file is there in each of the packages.

Cheers. I like Debian. Neener, neener.
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Re: test message

[Celejar]

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:26:37 +0200
Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 03.04.07 07:20, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote:
> > From: "S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:33 +0600
> > Subject: test message
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > hi all,
> >I join this list more then 3 days ago, still now not getting any mail.
> > That's why testing.
> > Please response this mail (please use cc to me)
> 
> Did you receive subscribe confirmation? Did you follow instructions in it?
> Search in your spam folder if you haven't found any.
> 
> ... hotmail is known to drop unsubscribe requests... I hope gmail does not
> the same for subscribe requests, but I'm not sure...

Gmail generally behaves well with my subscribe / unsubscribe requests.

Celejar


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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Joe Hart]

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Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 18:17:59 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
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>> Mike Bird wrote:
>>> On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
 What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
 it today, national "People from other distros" day?
>>> That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:
>>>
>>> $ dpkg -S e2label
>>> e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
>>> e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
>>> $
>>>
>>> --Mike Bird
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, which repo is it in?  It doesn't show up in anything I have.
>>
>> apt-cache shows zilch.
>>
>> Can you show me you're apt-cache show e2label?
> 
> That comes up empty for me. The package description of e2fsprogs does
> not contain a list of all included commands, therefore apt-cache cannot
> find them.
> 
> Apt-file is the tool of choice in such cases:
> 
> $ apt-file search e2label
> e2fsprogs: sbin/e2label
> e2fsprogs: usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
> 
> [ rest of output snipped ]
> 

Thank you.  I learned something new.  I really appreciate it when people
are helpful like you and not snide like Mr. Bird.  If I am not mistaken
even though I mentioned I couldn't find the package, I did explain to
the OP what was wrong and what he needed to do.

Perhaps I baited him with the "what is it national..." statement, but it
comes because a Fedora user had entered the message that I previously
read, asking about chkconfig, which Greg so politely pointed out doesn't
belong to Debian.

Joe
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Bug#417953: apt's Packages.diff: 7 days, but Christmas has 12

[Dan Jacobson]

Package: apt
Version: 0.6.46.4
Severity: wishlist

Why go through all the effort to make a Packages.diff directory, and
then only keep one week of diffs in it?

Doesn't the song go "on the eighth day of Christmas, my true love gave
to me"...one tiny missing .diff, so I have to download the whole
*/Packages.gz again. (And how to configure apt to get the smaller .bz2?)

"Just use the rsync hack," you chuckle. Yes, long ago I did but let's
not complicate this further.

12 days instead of seven would still be nothing compared to the
whopping .gz or .bz2's that one must download if one does not return
home in time, which is often the case for rural users.

I'm not asking for a whole month of Ramadan of .diffs, just your basic
Christian values of 12 days.

(Wait, I see at least my run of apt-get update downloaded both the .gz
and the 6 MB .gz AND the 4.5 MB .bz2. OK, I will route this message
through the bug tracking system too.)


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dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Debianists,

I created a flow chart in Open Office 2.0.  It is a .odg file.  I created it 
in Open Office Draw.  I sent a copy of it to my pal who I think is a 100% 
MSWindows creature


He emailed me back saying the .odg file was not recognised when he tried to 
read it in.  I am not sure which MSOffice program he tried to read it in 
with.


There is some discussion on the internet about Microsoft putting a odf type 
reader/converter onto software like MSWord and Excel etc and I think some 
people in the sourceforge world were even trying to help with this a little.


I nosed around on the web and it seems to me that maybe the windows meta 
file or even enhanced meta file might be the right format to convert the odg 
file into to make it easier for my pal to read it into an MSoffice type 
document processing program.


There are websites and software packages that I think can convert an odg 
file to a WMF file.


What is the best way to proceed here?

My pal won't have time to install Open Office for windows on his PC.  He 
will just want to be able to read something into his Msoffice software (e.g. 
Microsoft Draw or whatever is similar to that nowadays in Windows land).


Is there a file converter that is preferred by Debian users?

Suggestions welcome.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:08 +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
> 
> I created a flow chart in Open Office 2.0.  It is a .odg file.  I created it 
> in Open Office Draw.  I sent a copy of it to my pal who I think is a 100% 
> MSWindows creature
> 
> He emailed me back saying the .odg file was not recognised when he tried to 
> read it in.  I am not sure which MSOffice program he tried to read it in 
> with.
> 
> There is some discussion on the internet about Microsoft putting a odf type 
> reader/converter onto software like MSWord and Excel etc and I think some 
> people in the sourceforge world were even trying to help with this a little.
> 
> I nosed around on the web and it seems to me that maybe the windows meta 
> file or even enhanced meta file might be the right format to convert the odg 
> file into to make it easier for my pal to read it into an MSoffice type 
> document processing program.
> 
> There are websites and software packages that I think can convert an odg 
> file to a WMF file.
> 
> What is the best way to proceed here?
> 
> My pal won't have time to install Open Office for windows on his PC.  He 
> will just want to be able to read something into his Msoffice software (e.g. 
> Microsoft Draw or whatever is similar to that nowadays in Windows land).
> 
> Is there a file converter that is preferred by Debian users?

I'd just "Save As" and make it an "MS" format. Currently it isn't worth
the "hassle" for ODF right now.

Then also ask him to pay for MSWindows and MSOffice for you, so you can
cater to his wishes.
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Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
> 
> I created a flow chart in Open Office 2.0.  It is a .odg file.  I

Uhhh. It's called OpenOffice.org I was told by one of the maintainers,
who was really annoyed of me calling it like that.

> What is the best way to proceed here?

Without knowing your detailed requirements, I would suggest trying to
export the graphic as .png from openoffice.org. With reasonable command
of his OS, he should be able to view a .png.

> My pal won't have time to install Open Office for windows on his PC.  He
> will just want to be able to read something into his Msoffice software
> (e.g. Microsoft Draw or whatever is similar to that nowadays in Windows
> land).
> 
> Is there a file converter that is preferred by Debian users?

convert from imagemagic is the one I use from the command line, but I
don't know if it converts .odg. It converts about any *graphics* format
I came along.

HTH,
Johannes


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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[dave]

on Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:49:05PM + Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 
> .."maim first" is "the lowly infanteryman" and upward's job.
> 

I was taught to aim for the heart.  Center of body mass. In other words,
kill.

Ciao,

Dave


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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:51:03PM +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.

What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
Or something else?


Personally, I only program in two languages: Fortran and Python.  So I
would suggest python.


Hey! I didn't know that! Did you see that the originator of Fortran John 
Backus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Backus
recently died? I used to see him around when I was at IBM Research.

Hugo




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Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Greg Folkert wrote:
> Then also ask him to pay for MSWindows and MSOffice for you, so you can
> cater to his wishes.

Uhh, , recently, for the first time in years I was forced to
use MSOffice to collaborate on a document. It was the most horrible
experience in years to try to cope with the inadequabilities of that
program...

I'd definitely try all of debian's export functions to the limit, before
I would have someone paying my M$ and forcing *me* to use it ;-)

Johannes


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Re: Relabel partition didn't work

[Joe Hart]

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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 18:17 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Mike Bird wrote:
>>> On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:23, Joe Hart wrote:
 What in the world is e2label?  It doesn't show up in my search.  What is
 it today, national "People from other distros" day?
>>> That would be a big negative ten four good buddy:
>>>
>>> $ dpkg -S e2label
>>> e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/e2label.8.gz
>>> e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2label
>>> $
>>>
>>> --Mike Bird
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, which repo is it in?  It doesn't show up in anything I have.
>>
>> apt-cache shows zilch.
>>
>> Can you show me you're apt-cache show e2label?
> 
> It is in Stable:
> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=stable&arch=i386
> 
> It is in Testing:
> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=testing&arch=i386
> 
> It is in Unstable:
> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=unstable&arch=i386
> 
> Heck, even in Oldstable:
> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=e2fsprogs&version=oldstable&arch=i386
> 
> The listing for the file is there in each of the packages.
> 
> Cheers. I like Debian. Neener, neener.

Now here I thought that Florian was being helpful and teaching me new
things and then you come along and show me that I can so searches like
that.  Boy, I am really learning now.  2 things in one day!  Can my poor
old brain keep up.

Thanks Greg.

Joe

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Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

[Randy Patterson]

On Thursday 05 April 2007 10:46, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I have only had Debian up and going for about two weeks. Had Sarge
> > installed but had problems with my USB hardware so just did a clean
> > install of Etch.  Works great!! Since I am a new user I don't have a
> > favorite windowing system that I prefer and was wondering if someone
> > to point me to a good link that would describe the strengths and
> > weaknesses or pros and cons of each system.  KDE installed as default
> > with Sarge and Etch so I assume they chose that for a reason and it is
> > the only one I have used. I have looked but haven't been able to find
> > a good comparison them.
>
> You're better off just installing all three and test them out.  I think
> they are pretty feature-equivalent these days.

As I had stated previously I installed from the 
debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso image. If I take your suggestion, which 
sounds like a good one, when I boot will I be given a choice of which system 
to start or will I have to manually close KDE and start one of the others? 
Although compared to Windoze XP I am thrilled with KDE I do think I would 
like to take a look at the others ones.

Thanks,
Randy


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Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:08 +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> There are websites and software packages that I think can convert an odg 
> file to a WMF file.
> 
> What is the best way to proceed here?
> 
> My pal won't have time to install Open Office for windows on his PC.  He 
> will just want to be able to read something into his Msoffice software (e.g. 
> Microsoft Draw or whatever is similar to that nowadays in Windows land).

OOo should support PDF export, it's probably the least sucky format to
distribute files in if they only need to be viewed, not edited.

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Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc....

[Michael Fothergill]

From: Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about odg files and wmf files etc
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:13:36 -0400

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 17:08 +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
>
> I created a flow chart in Open Office 2.0.  It is a .odg file.  I 
created it
> in Open Office Draw.  I sent a copy of it to my pal who I think is a 
100%

> MSWindows creature
>
> He emailed me back saying the .odg file was not recognised when he tried 
to

> read it in.  I am not sure which MSOffice program he tried to read it in
> with.
>
> There is some discussion on the internet about Microsoft putting a odf 
type
> reader/converter onto software like MSWord and Excel etc and I think 
some
> people in the sourceforge world were even trying to help with this a 
little.

>
> I nosed around on the web and it seems to me that maybe the windows meta
> file or even enhanced meta file might be the right format to convert the 
odg

> file into to make it easier for my pal to read it into an MSoffice type
> document processing program.
>
> There are websites and software packages that I think can convert an odg
> file to a WMF file.
>
> What is the best way to proceed here?
>
> My pal won't have time to install Open Office for windows on his PC.  He
> will just want to be able to read something into his Msoffice software 
(e.g.

> Microsoft Draw or whatever is similar to that nowadays in Windows land).
>
> Is there a file converter that is preferred by Debian users?

I'd just "Save As" and make it an "MS" format. Currently it isn't worth
the "hassle" for ODF right now.


I think there is a problem here.  The save as options are otg i.e., open 
drawing document template, .sxd i.e., OO 1.0 Drawing, .std i.e., OO 1.0 
Drawing template, Star Draw (.sda), Star Draw 5.0 template (.vor), Star Draw 
3.0 (.sdd) and Star Draw template (.vor).


That's it.

These formats don't look very compatible with Windows formats

Comments?




Then also ask him to pay for MSWindows and MSOffice for you, so you can
cater to his wishes.
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Re: [OT] Graphics programming

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

I would like to try some simple graphics programming on Linux --
plotting points, lines, and arcs to a window, filling areas with
colour, etc. Preferably with a C interface, something like what
you could do with Turbo C on DOS in the 1980's.

What would be the easiest system to do this? Should I learn Java?
Or something else?

Regards, Jan




Hi Jan Willem,

You are going to get plenty of different answers. I like them all, but I 
vote for Qt:

libqt3-mt
libqt3-mt-dev
qt3-dev-tools
qt3-doc
(You can also go for the version 4 set, of course)
It comes with a huge set of examples and a vast system of documentation.
You'll have to know C++. (No big deal. Start with the Qt examples first)
I have put together a system to do that sort of plotting with a C 
interface, based on Qt:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/gpc-qt

HTH

Hugo


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Re: mixing syanptic and aptitude

[Andrew Malcolmson]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:42:50PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:20:12 -0400
> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I like synaptic's GUI much better than aptitude's ncurses interface. If I
> > want to see all the packages whose names start with vim, In synaptic all I
> > do is type vim. I could not find a simple way of doing this in aptitude.
> 
> What about '/' (opens the regex search bar) followed by '^vim' ?
> 

You need to open a Flat Package List from the Views menu, then press 'l'
to enter a 'Limit' regep.

I usually do this from the shell, though:

aptitude search '^vim'



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