Re: Runaway BIND

2007-02-13 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 12.02.07 09:55, Rich Johnson wrote:
> I just recovered from bind (8.4.7-1)  flooding /var/log/syslog with  
> several hundred megabytes of messages along the lines of:
> 
> > grep "no addrs found for root" syslog | head
> Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root  
> NS (B.GTLD-SERVERS.net)
> Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root  
> NS (C.GTLD-SERVERS.net)
> Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root  
> NS (D.GTLD-SERVERS.net)
> 
> When bind goes nuts it repeated cycles through the entire set of root  
> servers at both ROOT-SERVERS.NET and GTLD-SERVERS.net at the rate of  
> ~550 logs/sec.  A typical burst runs for ~75 seconds or so and emits  
> ~42000 messages.  In my case the bursts started at 19:54:59 EST   
> (UTC-5) and affected both master and slave servers.  That and the  
> maturity of bind leads me to suspect some external trigger.

> The named.conf option set is rather daunting.  Can anyone suggest  
> some options to throttle back the verbosity?

well, i suggest you
- upgrade to bind9 (preferrably 9.3)
- check your named.root zone, if it exists and if you have it configured.

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Re: Вопрос

2007-02-13 Thread Timothy Musson
Gorev wrote:
> На форуме поддержки не смог подобрать кодировку для отображения
> кириллицы. Подскажите, пожалуйста прямую ссылку на iso образ.  Все
> пояснения на сайте не прояснили, что на каком образе находится.  Нужен
> вариант для офиса. Во-первых нигде не сказано, есть ли русская
> локализация.  Что нужно:
> Имею ПК i386, необходима поддержка ADSL, офисный пакет, программа для
> работы с растровой графикой, запись CD/DVD, возможность запуска
> windows приложений.

Привет, Горев. Здесь можно писать по-русски:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/

Всего хорошего,

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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> 
>> Also, Kamaraju, I believe I sent an e-mail to your gmail account. An
>> update to your howto.
> 
> For those who do not know, Greg is talking about
> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html

Nice page. One small comment: The plot 'mainenance problems' appears
twice on my iceweasel.

It looks like one would have about 5 times as much problems on sid
compared to stable, but IMHO this is _much_ understated. It also appears
that sid is only slightly less unstable than testing and on avarage
about the same (except after a freeze). While bugs in 'testing' take
longer to be fixed, I think it is still more stable to avoid those
packages from sid that fail to reach 'testing' due to RC bugs.

YMMV, but testing is more 'stable' than sid and 'stable' is _much_ more
stable than either of those. It's not just the number of problems that
is less, but also the severity of problems.

.02

Johannes


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Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20

2007-02-13 Thread Anton Piatek
Try www.thinkwiki.org
There are great instructions for all flavours of linux on almost all IBM
laptops...

Anton

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hpodder

2007-02-13 Thread Jude DaShiell
I've given up on hpodder because of repeated sqlite3 data base errors 
already described here.  These errors would sometimes be cleared if I 
rebooted the machine but now not even that works anymore.  When I used 
sqlite3 hpodder.db and did an integrity check of the data base, I was told 
everything was okso as far as sqlite3 knows all is fine with the data.  I 
may mess with hpodder later but for now don't know how to get sqlite3 to 
reindex hpodder.db and I don't even know if that would help in this case.




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Re: installation help urgent

2007-02-13 Thread Joe Hart
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/12/07 23:18, Galangster wrote:
>> How do i install
>> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
>> or 
>> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
>> i dont kno the first thing about this
> 
> Don't know the first thing about it?  Use Ubuntu.
> 
>> Zip In Zip on Out (c ya, peace out, sianara, bye bye)
> 
> sayonara
> 
That was mean.  Don't you know about gdebi?  All one needs to is make
sure that is installed and then they can just click on a .deb file to
install it.  Or perhaps you are against proprietary drivers?

I will say that chances are that .deb file is written for Ubuntu.

Joe
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Re: ..help my doorbell server recognize the doorbell ding-dongs...

2007-02-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:56:42 -0600, John wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Arnt Karlsen writes:
> > ...all I need is something _simple_...
> 
> How about a relay and a serial or parallel port?
 
..means gutting other peoples doorbells.  I have a microphone
and sound working ok on this box, and all the sound samples, 
all I need is recognize them, either as speech or as music or 
somesuch.  

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Re: d-u backlog (was Re: ..help my doorbell...)

2007-02-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:31:42 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> On 02/12/07 21:38, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> [snip]
> > ..pls cc me too, my d-u backlog is 4177 new messages plus the 44224
> > unread ones,
> 
> That's what aggressive use of "Mark as Read" is for.
> 
> 
> >   not too bad for a 143009 total, I try get a life. ;o)
> 
> I hope not all in the same folder!!!

..that's what aggressive use of "Mail Box Search" is for.  ;o)

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Re: Using GUI

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Lale

Kelly wrote:

Hello,

I am having trouble getting a new install of Debian 3.1 r4 and it boots
to the command line prompt.  I want it to have a graphical interface.
As is it is useless to me.  Could someone point me in a direction of a
tutorial on how to install with GUI or how to get a new install to boot
to GUI.



Section 5 in 
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_a_small_partition 
should help.



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Re: A very simple documentation framework.

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Lale

cga2000 wrote:

So far my personal doc system amounts to a patchwork of notes and
cheat sheets in ascii files that I grep when I need to find some piece
of information or other.

I would like to switch to something a little more ambitious where I
would be able to generate my docs in the usual popular formats, namely
pdf, html, ps, txt, and possibly dvi.

  

[...]

GUI: LyX is a WYSIWYM front end to Latex.

CLI: DocBook and Sgmltools-lite might meet some of your needs.

For something really simple try Zim - a desktop wiki that stores content 
as text files and can export to HTML.


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Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-13 Thread Michael M.
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 17:53 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 01:54:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > 
> >>John Hasler wrote:
> >>
> >>>There is no theft involved here.
> >>
> >>Are you aware of the details of the case? How do you know that no
> >>theft was involved?
> > 
> > 
> > I believe his point was that copyright violation is not theft.
> 
> I believe he is wrong, in the USA, at least. You might investigate the
> DMCA. AIUI, copyright violation has been moved from being a tort to
> being a crime.
> 

I believe you are thinking of the "NET (No Electronic Theft) Act," which
expanded the criteria for criminal copyright infringement, updating the
criteria to include illegal electronic transfer of copyrighted material
if that transfer rises to a certain level (1 or more copies with a total
retail value of at least $1,000 within a 180-day period).  See:
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm

Despite the name of the Act, nowhere in the statute is copyright
infringement actually called or equated with "theft."  The only
difference between "criminal copyright infringement" and regular
copyright infringement is that the former is punishable under criminal
statutes and the latter is not.  The name of the Act is just an attempt
to make it memorable, which Congressfolk do all the time these days.
It's no more meaningful than the name of the "Patriot Act," which has
nothing to do with patriotism. 


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Memory Question

2007-02-13 Thread Joe Hart
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Just for kicks I surfed to http://www.goodbye-windows.com and downloaded
the Debian installer for Windows.  I already had Etch on this computer,
but went ahead and ran the installer just to see what it would do.

When I had installed Etch the first time, I chose to install the 32-bit
version because I've had problems in the past not being able to obtain
64-bit versions of some packages.

Well, the Debian installer ran fine, and I used some empty space that I
had reserved to install it.  To my surprise it installed Etch 64-bit.
So now I have both 32 bit and 64 bit.

Here's my question.  Why do the two different versions report different
a different amount of memory?  The 32 bit version says I have a total of
886MB, where the 64-bit version says there is 1024MB.

I have 1024MB, so I am at a loss why this shows:

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 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:906792 797600 109192  0  37208 603928
- -/+ buffers/cache: 156464 750328
Swap:  1542168  01542168

Anyone have a clue?  It's not a real big deal because there's plenty of
free RAM, but it does pique my curiosity.

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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
care how ugly their printed documents look. 
I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and 
government who'd contest this.

Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.

Larger organizations typically have fairly detailed standards for what 
documents have to look like,

along with design departments, document templates, and so forth.

Smaller organizations - at least smart ones - spend a lot of time on 
making documents look good,

because image and presentation make a big difference.


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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-13 Thread Michael M.
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 18:03 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Mike McCarty wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW, where in the Constitution of these USA does it state that
>>> Copyright must be limited?
>> 
>> Well, this is getting WAY off topic, but...
>> 
>> Article I, Section 8.
>> 
>> The actual language in the constitution states that "The Congress
>> shall have the power to ...  promote the Progress of Science and
>> useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
>> the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
>> Note the word "limited."
> 
> Yes, that is an adjective modifying the noun "Times", not "exclusive
> Right". Are you saying that Bono argued for making copyright eternal?
> Do you have a cite?

>From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act :

"In addition to Disney (whose extensive lobbying efforts inspired the
nickname 'The Mickey Mouse Protection Act'), California congresswoman
Mary Bono (Sonny Bono's widow and Congressional successor) and the
estate of composer George Gershwin supported the act. Mary Bono,
speaking on the floor of the United States House of Representatives,
said:

"Actually, Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last
forever. I am informed by staff that such a change would violate
the Constitution. . . . As you know, there is also [Motion
Picture Association of America president] Jack Valenti's
proposal for the term to last forever less one day. Perhaps the
Committee may look at that next Congress. [1]"

That's not exactly Sonny Bono arguing that copyright should be eternal,
but it is a pretty clear indication of his belief that it should be.  At
least Ms. Bono acknowledged that it would violate the Constitution, but
it's a shame we elect Congresscritters who have to be "informed" by
their staff about what the Constitution says.  One would hope they would
have read it themselves.

(BTW, the cite is to the Congressional Record ... you can check the
Wikipedia entry and follow the link provided if you want to read her
testimony.)

(Sorry Mike, I didn't mean to send you an email off-list.)

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RE: ip forwarding

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Critchlow
Hi, thanks everyone, I had forgotten about the route back so I set the default 
gateway.
 
andrew.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-user@lists.debian.org> 
> Subject: RE: ip forwarding> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:52:59 -0800> > > Hi 
> everyone, I am having some problems either understanding ip forarding> or 
> configuring it?> > > > My set up is:> > > > XP1 - Debian/Server - XP2> > > > 
> XP1 IP = 10.251.134.20> > Debian/Server eth0 = 10.251.134.10> > Debian/Server 
> eth1 = 172.16.0.50> > XP2 IP = 172.16.0.10> > > > I want XP1 to be able to 
> ping XP2, so I enabled IP forwarding in> /etc/network/options> > 
> Unfortunately XP1 still can not ping XP2.> > (XP1 can ping Debian/Server, and 
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handling non-native language spam

2007-02-13 Thread michael
Hi.
I was wondering what is a suitable way to handle non-native language
spam? My native language is English and I'm using Evolution to get my
email off IMAP and then it uses SpamAssassin to filter for junk. Are
there S.A. plugins to test for non-native language spam? Would just
clicked on [this is] "junk" button work?

All pointers welcomed,
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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people
>> don't care how ugly their printed documents look.
> I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits,
> and government who'd contest this.

I said "most".  There are always exceptions.

> Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.

They are publishers.

> Larger organizations typically have fairly detailed standards for
> what documents have to look like, along with design departments,
> document templates, and so forth.

And Word and OOo have templates.

> Smaller organizations - at least smart ones - spend a lot of time
> on making documents look good, because image and presentation
> make a big difference.

DTP.  It's what made the Mac.

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NFS locking

2007-02-13 Thread Graham Smith

Hi,

I'm having problems with a couple of applications and reading about the 
problem indicates its probably caused by locking not working correctly 
on NFS. The problem seems to lie with the server end of the set up - my 
guess is that it's not accepting the locks from the client machine. Both 
the client and the server machines are running the latest nfs kernel 
server and have statd and lockd running (according to ps). The relevant 
info from the server is:


sprocket:/data# rpcinfo -p
   program vers proto   port
102   tcp111  portmapper
102   udp111  portmapper
1000241   udp  37306  status
1000241   tcp  35125  status
132   udp   2049  nfs
133   udp   2049  nfs
134   udp   2049  nfs
132   tcp   2049  nfs
133   tcp   2049  nfs
134   tcp   2049  nfs
151   udp866  mountd
151   tcp869  mountd
152   udp866  mountd
152   tcp869  mountd
153   udp866  mountd
153   tcp869  mountd

sprocket:/data# ps axf | grep lockd
 3816 ?S  0:26 [lockd]
 8361 pts/0S+ 0:00  \_ grep lockd

sprocket:/data# ps axf | grep statd
 8394 pts/0S+ 0:00  \_ grep statd
30319 ?Ss 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd

I have another machine that also acts as an NFS server with, as far as I 
can tell, exactly the same version of NFS running. When I run rpcinfo -p 
on that machine I see the report above and a number of lines like this:


1000211   udp   1039  nlockmgr

which I presume are the lock managers. One of the applications that I am 
struggling with is Open Office but I have side stepped the locking 
problem there but turning off locking as per the well known hack. The 
other application I am struggling with is digikam which flatly refuses 
to work without locking.


If I move the digkam database to the machine that reports nlockmgr 
everything is fine. On sprocket digikam doesn't work so I assume that 
the lack of nlockmgr is the problem.


Further reading seems to say that lockd starts nlockmgr when it is 
needed but the server has never started nlockmgr to the best of my 
knowledge.


I'm really stuck at this point as I have tried everything I can think of 
and Googled till my fingers hurt. Some help would be really appreciated.


Graham


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 02/13/07 01:35, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>>> Joe Hart wrote:
 Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one
>>> page of a document you will be better of with LaTeX. Word output
>>> might be ok for a quick fax, but the printed text from a half-way
>>> decent printer will always look better, if it's done in LaTeX.
>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, that amount of 
>> precision doesn't really matter.
> 
> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
> care how ugly their printed documents look. They accept what they are
> used to accept. When they are told about LaTeX, they fear the effort
> that might  be involved in getting used to create documents in a
> different way and don't take the time to have a closer look. They also
> don't take the time to even ponder about the possibility that LaTeX's
> concept of separating structure, content and layout would boost their
> productivity in the long run or not. And they know that within their
> ranks they stick with the majority and thus can't be wrong.
> 
> In this way, talking to M$ word users about LaTeX is just about the same
> as talking to M$ O$ users about linux or debian. They might struggle
> with some of the shortcomings, but their pain is not big enough to leave
> the mainstream and to dare the move to another way of working.

But you see, there's the issue.  There *is* *no* *pain* writing
short, relatively simple documents with word processors.

Even for mid-length documents, I've /read/ (but have no first-hand
knowledge) that OOo2 works very well if you understand how OOo
templates work.
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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
>> care how ugly their printed documents look. 
> I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and 
> government who'd contest this.
> Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.

Currently working in academia, I'd contest this too. A lot of
academics know only the WYSIWYG approach, and are not motivated to
learn anything different. Paradoxically, scientists are very much
'early-adopters' when it comes to the techniques used in their
mode-of-inquiry, but extremely conservative with everything else. Of
course, compsci and related math types are a big exception.

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Re: d-u backlog (was Re: ..help my doorbell...)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 02/13/07 04:53, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:31:42 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> On 02/12/07 21:38, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> ..pls cc me too, my d-u backlog is 4177 new messages plus the 44224
>>> unread ones,
>> That's what aggressive use of "Mark as Read" is for.
>>
>>
>>>   not too bad for a 143009 total, I try get a life. ;o)
>> I hope not all in the same folder!!!
> 
> ..that's what aggressive use of "Mail Box Search" is for.  ;o)

But that makes for a huge {mbox file|Maildir}.  Opening it must take
forever.  If it's all in an mbox file and gets corrupt, you've lost
a big chunk of it.

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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 02/13/07 01:44, Manu Hack wrote:
> On 2/12/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> The laptop used to work fine (no errors in the log files, no grinding
>> noises). One fine day when it was moved from one place to another and
>> then
>> it stopped booting. The BIOS does not even recognize the hard drive. The
>> hard drive does not spin. I believe that the problem could be a bad
>> controller or a bad motor. So it needs to be taken into a clean room
>> to get
>> the data out.
> 
> I have a Toshiba laptop and my HDD one day produced a big noise.  Then
> I no longer can boot it up.  So I bought a new HDD but the next day I
> tried the old one again, it just worked as usual (only slower) and the
> noise went away.  Maybe the HDD needs to take a day off. :)

Any kind of noise like that can't be good, though.  Definitely time
to get a new disk.


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Re: Memory Question

2007-02-13 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-02-13, Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's my question.  Why do the two different versions report different
> a different amount of memory?  The 32 bit version says I have a total of
> 886MB, where the 64-bit version says there is 1024MB.
>

I came across this recently when I upgraded my Ram from 0.5 to 1.5
gigs. In order to use 1GB or more RAM you have to have a kernel with
highmem support enabled. Perhaps your 32 bit installation doesn't have
this, while the 64-bit does. It's easily fixed, you need to figure out
which kernel image supports highmem on your architecture and install
that. For me, it meant switching from the 2.6.18-3-386 to the
2.6.18-3-686 kernel.

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Re: handling non-native language spam

2007-02-13 Thread Grok Mogger

michael wrote:

Hi.
I was wondering what is a suitable way to handle non-native language
spam? My native language is English and I'm using Evolution to get my
email off IMAP and then it uses SpamAssassin to filter for junk. Are
there S.A. plugins to test for non-native language spam? Would just
clicked on [this is] "junk" button work?

All pointers welcomed,
Thanks, Michael




I recently looked at a few spam filtering packages.  Two of them 
where SpamAware and SpamFighter.  As I recall, both of those had 
a cool screen where you had a list of languages you wanted to 
allow.  (It might have only been one of them, but I seem to 
recall both having it).  I've actually since noticed that my 
client, Thunderbird, (which I understand basically just uses 
SpamAssassin for spam filtering) doesn't seem to have a similar 
option.  Maybe SpamAssassin doesn't support this?


I know that's not overly helpful, but at any rate, that's what I 
know.  =)


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 02/13/07 07:30, Tyler Smith wrote:
> On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
>>> care how ugly their printed documents look. 
>> I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and 
>> government who'd contest this.
>> Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.
> 
> Currently working in academia, I'd contest this too. A lot of

Contest that those in The Academy care or do not care?

> academics know only the WYSIWYG approach, and are not motivated to
> learn anything different. Paradoxically, scientists are very much
> 'early-adopters' when it comes to the techniques used in their
> mode-of-inquiry, but extremely conservative with everything else. Of

The sane human brain can only be an early-adopter in a finite number
of areas.  Otherwise, you turn into a butterfly, always flitting
about from new fad to new fad.

> course, compsci and related math types are a big exception.
> 

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Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20: "no screens" in X

2007-02-13 Thread john gennard

Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:-

[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, john gennard wrote:


I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch
(Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI
is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in
/var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the
laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected.
/proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a
'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a
confusing picture which I don't understand.

However, as I have considerable arthritis in the hands and
fingers, I have been using an external PS/2 mouse, so I can
do without the 'fiddly' Trackpoint. I commented out references
to Synaptics Touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but Kde still
does not launch and the error messages )in Kdm.log) now say:-

(EE) No devices detected
Fatal Server error:
no screens found.


At the moment, to get into Etch, I have to boot into single
user mode, otherwise the Laptop locks solid.


I had a similar problem.  It turned out my system
was missing packages "hal" and "udev".
X.org wants to use keyboard and mouse via
hardware abstraction layer, but the dependency
was missing.


Cameron


Both 'hal' and 'udev' packages are fully installed.

John



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Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20

2007-02-13 Thread john gennard

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:24:54 +, john gennard wrote:


I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch
(Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI
is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in
/var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the
laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected.
/proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a
'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a
confusing picture which I don't understand.

However, as I have considerable arthritis in the hands and
fingers, I have been using an external PS/2 mouse, so I can
do without the 'fiddly' Trackpoint. I commented out references
to Synaptics Touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but Kde still
does not launch and the error messages )in Kdm.log) now say:-

(EE) No devices detected
Fatal Server error:
no screens found.


At the moment, to get into Etch, I have to boot into single
user mode, otherwise the Laptop locks solid.

I haven't yet tried to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' as
without a Manual I may not have enough info to answer some of
the questions posed.

Is what I am trying to do feasible?
Can the trackpoint be brought into play?

Any suggestions regarding a way forward would be apprciated
(a more modern laptop is out unless I win the lottery!)



There should be more info in the Xorg log. If you can switch to a
terminal after a failed KDM startup, you can run

egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

to get a list of all errors and warnings. Post this output here and we
(hopefully) will know what is wrong.



The output of the above command is:-

(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
(WW) The directory 
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.

(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" does not exist.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist.
(WW) The directory 
"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" 		does not exist.

(EE) No devices detected.

I had already looked at the xorg.log file, but I was looking only for 
errors and not warnings.


John.



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GREETING.

2007-02-13 Thread P.Camberwell
新しいメールアドレスをお知らせします新しいメールアドレス: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am in keen need of a Reliable and "Trustworthy" person like you who would 
receive, secure and protect these boxes containing the US Dollars for me up on 
till my assignment elapses here in Iraq. Further details shall be given as soon 
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Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20

2007-02-13 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:02:20 +, john gennard wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:24:54 +, john gennard wrote:
> >
> >>I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch
> >>(Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI
> >>is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in
> >>/var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the
> >>laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected.
> >>/proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a
> >>'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a
> >>confusing picture which I don't understand.

[...]

> >There should be more info in the Xorg log. If you can switch to a
> >terminal after a failed KDM startup, you can run
> >
> >egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> >
> >to get a list of all errors and warnings. Post this output here and we
> >(hopefully) will know what is wrong.
> >
> 
> The output of the above command is:-

[ snip: font directory warnings ]

> (EE) No devices detected.
> 
> I had already looked at the xorg.log file, but I was looking only for 
> errors and not warnings.

The font directory warnings should be harmless. The fact that there is
no other warning or error message before it fails with "No devices
detected" suggests to me that you have some very basic misconfiguration
or driver problem.

What is your graphics card? Please find the relevant lines in the output
of "lspci" and post them here (lines mentioning "VGA", "graphic(s)" or
"display").

We also need more information about your xorg.conf. The output of the
following command should be a good start:

awk '/Section "(Input)?Device"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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switching mysql server on debian etch

2007-02-13 Thread Brad Brock
I've installed mysql-server-4.1 on etch but
mysql-server-5.0 installed too. When I check using
`mysqladmin version` returns 
mysqladmin  Ver 8.41 Distrib 5.0.32, for pc-linux-gnu
on i486
Copyright (C) 2000 MySQL AB & MySQL Finland AB & TCX
DataKonsult AB
This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This
is free software,
and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it
under the GPL license

Server version  5.0.32-Debian_3-log
Protocol version10
Connection  Localhost via UNIX socket
UNIX socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
Uptime: 10 min 17 sec

Threads: 1  Questions: 306  Slow queries: 0  Opens:
137  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 18  Queries per
second avg: 0.496

I want to use mysql 4.1 instead of mysql 5.0. How can
I switch the server?


 

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Re: Very Basic Help Needed

2007-02-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:16:17 +0100
Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> > I can't find "Samba" under the "Application" button as a program to run or
> > under the "Action" button as a known command to run?
> 
> Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a
> user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs
> to configure it, but they are not part of samba and the don't do
> anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf.

Don't forget smbclient, the command line samba client, and smbfs, the
samba filesystem package, for mounting Windows shares onto your linux
filesystem.

Celejar


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

2007-02-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:03:17 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

> how about tcl? 
> 
> apt-cache search tcl
> 
> this produces 217 packages matching 'tcl', hmmm... lets narrow that
> down by searching just the names of packages and not their
> descriptions
> 
> apt-cache -n search tcl
> 
> gets us 74 packages, one of which is tcl8.3

Don't forget that 'aptitude search tcl' also searches only packages
names.

Celejar


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Re: handling non-native language spam

2007-02-13 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 13.02.07 13:43, michael wrote:
> I was wondering what is a suitable way to handle non-native language
> spam? My native language is English and I'm using Evolution to get my
> email off IMAP and then it uses SpamAssassin to filter for junk. Are
> there S.A. plugins to test for non-native language spam? Would just
> clicked on [this is] "junk" button work?

Yes. in newer versions of SA you'll need  TextCat turned on and ok_languages
set up in your config file.

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Watchdog Reset During Boot

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Miller
I posted this to -sparc, but no one responded.  Maybe someone on this list
 can give me a clue.

Trying to net boot a SPARCstation5 using the boot.img I downloaded today I
get the following startup messages:

Booting Linux...
PROMLIB: Sun Boot Prom Version 3 Revision 2
...
[snip boot messages that look okay to me...]
...
Freeing unused kernel memory: 140k freed

Watchdog Reset

At that point the boot process apparently stops, and I am dumped back into
Sun's BIOS console.  What is a "watchdog reset?"


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Re: ATI driver and kernel 2.6.19

2007-02-13 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
> Feb 13 06:54:40 kernel: [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR*
> firegl_stub_register failed
> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.19-mas/misc/fglrx.ko):
> Operation not permitted
...
Could it be that the radeon module is still loaded?
What is the output of /sbin/lsmod ?

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Re: Runaway BIND

2007-02-13 Thread Rich Johnson


On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:12 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:


On 12.02.07 09:55, Rich Johnson wrote:
well, i suggest you
- upgrade to bind9 (preferrably 9.3)
- check your named.root zone, if it exists and if you have it  
configured.


Done!  Let's hope it helps.  I run dist-upgrade (testing) regularly.   
Perhaps at some point it should specify bind9?


I think I've identified the triggering event.  It appears that it was  
my gateway router (a DSL modem) losing power.  Under such conditions  
the failure to reach the root servers is not surprising.


What is surprising is that such an event brought down _another_ machine.

Would it be fair to say that excessive loggers are ill-behaved? 
  



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Release of Stable Etch

2007-02-13 Thread michael bailey

 Does anyone have a good idea of when the release of
stable Etch is likely ? Is there any chance that it
will be released in February or is March a more
realistic date? 

 I notice from the Feb 9th Bug report that there are
still 104 release critical bugs to fix.





 

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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:54 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > Greg Folkert wrote:
> > 
> >> Also, Kamaraju, I believe I sent an e-mail to your gmail account. An
> >> update to your howto.
> > 
> > For those who do not know, Greg is talking about
> > http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html
> 
> Nice page. One small comment: The plot 'mainenance problems' appears
> twice on my iceweasel.

Look at the two images they are different.

> It looks like one would have about 5 times as much problems on sid
> compared to stable, but IMHO this is _much_ understated. It also appears
> that sid is only slightly less unstable than testing and on avarage
> about the same (except after a freeze).

Compared to Stable, lots more effort for either testing or unstable.

Sid and testing pretty much track each other until they don't.

>  While bugs in 'testing' take
> longer to be fixed, I think it is still more stable to avoid those
> packages from sid that fail to reach 'testing' due to RC bugs.

Did you read the document? This is exactly what he said. Byut there are
and have been circumstances that something goes into testing with a bad
bug and then the next versions in sid are release quickly and never make
it into testing. There was ... the whole XORG issue recently. What...
nearly 2 months to get everything fixed up (some had to be manually
hinted to get into testing)

> YMMV, but testing is more 'stable' than sid and 'stable' is _much_ more
> stable than either of those. It's not just the number of problems that
> is less, but also the severity of problems.

Do you understand "qualitative not quantitative"

Qualitative:
pertaining to or concerned with quality or qualities.

Quantitative:
that is or may be estimated by quantity

That what the two graphs showed is qualitative.
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Re: Release of Stable Etch

2007-02-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 07:18 -0800, michael bailey wrote:
>  Does anyone have a good idea of when the release of
> stable Etch is likely ? Is there any chance that it
> will be released in February or is March a more
> realistic date? 
> 
>  I notice from the Feb 9th Bug report that there are
> still 104 release critical bugs to fix.

I lost my super-dooper-tele-scooper-see-in-the-future scope.

Sorry, only $YOUR_DEITY knows.
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Re: Very Basic Help Needed

2007-02-13 Thread Jochen Schulz
Celejar:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:16:17 +0100
> Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>> I can't find "Samba" under the "Application" button as a program to run or
>>> under the "Action" button as a known command to run?
>> 
>> Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a
>> user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs
>> to configure it, but they are not part of samba and the don't do
>> anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf.
> 
> Don't forget smbclient, the command line samba client, and smbfs, the
> samba filesystem package, for mounting Windows shares onto your linux
> filesystem.

I didn't, but I had the impression the OP was about to set up a SMB
server for Windows clients. I might be wrong.

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Re: installation help urgent

2007-02-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:02:21 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 02/12/07 23:18, Galangster wrote:
> >> How do i install
> >> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
> >> or 
> >> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
> >> i dont kno the first thing about this
> > 
> > Don't know the first thing about it?  Use Ubuntu.
> > 
> >> Zip In Zip on Out (c ya, peace out, sianara, bye bye)
> > 
> > sayonara
> > 
> That was mean.  Don't you know about gdebi?  All one needs to is make
> sure that is installed and then they can just click on a .deb file to
> install it.  Or perhaps you are against proprietary drivers?

[snip]

Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.

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Re: installation help urgent

2007-02-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.

Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.

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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-13 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:40:07 -0800
"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> From Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act :
> 
> "In addition to Disney (whose extensive lobbying efforts inspired the
> nickname 'The Mickey Mouse Protection Act'), California congresswoman
> Mary Bono (Sonny Bono's widow and Congressional successor) and the
> estate of composer George Gershwin supported the act. Mary Bono,
> speaking on the floor of the United States House of Representatives,
> said:
> 
> "Actually, Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last
> forever. I am informed by staff that such a change would violate
> the Constitution. . . . As you know, there is also [Motion
> Picture Association of America president] Jack Valenti's
> proposal for the term to last forever less one day. Perhaps the
> Committee may look at that next Congress. [1]"

I'm trying to wrap my head around 'forever less one day'.
Here's a relevant discussion [0].

Celejar

[0] http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=539299&messageID=1635368


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
>> care how ugly their printed documents look. 
> I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and
> government who'd contest this.
> Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.

I slightly overstated that, playing on the reply of Ron. I should have
better written that most people will never question their accustomed way
of doing things in order to get a better result. Maybe some Word users
will look around for Word options to make their documents 'look better',
but they won't notice that there are basic options missing in Word that
are *required* to print truly beautiful documents.

To take this further, one would have to argue about what is ugly. There
is a continuous scale from very ugly to very beautiful. Products like M$
Word cover the range from very ugly to somewhere in between. The very
beautiful end is accessible to professional typesetting systems only,
ie. TeX based systems like LaTeX or Adobe's InDesign.

These remarks are not intended to start a flame, but from the very
outset (La)TeX was designed with the very best finished result in mind,
enabling the user to typeset anything that would be conceivable to have
on paper, and to get it print to the highest possible standards. As an
example, all lengths in TeX and derivatives are calculated to a
precision better than the wavelength of light. It is therefore
inconceivable that one would ever have a printer that would print a
character or anything with a better resolution than that used by the
program.

The handling of ligatures, line breaks, page breaks etc. by common word
processors is inherently of lesser quality [1]. If you print the same
.doc on two different computers with two different printers, the same
document will print differently.

This is *never* the case for LaTeX. If you tell TeX to draw a line of
10.000 mm and the printed line would turn out not to be exactly 10.000
mm, then you should complain to the manufacturer of the printer, not to
TeX. I have not investigated the achievable precision of Word, but
already the visible spacing between letters and words is clearly worse
than that of the same text typeset with LaTeX (using the same fonts).
Ie. Word's spacings deviate by more than 0.05 mm from what would be
optimal.

> Larger organizations typically have fairly detailed standards for what
> documents have to look like,
> along with design departments, document templates, and so forth.
>
> Smaller organizations - at least smart ones - spend a lot of time on
> making documents look good,
> because image and presentation make a big difference.

It is disappointing that even professionals spending a fair amount of
time and money on their corporate designs and templates fail to realize
that the finished product in Word or OOo will never look as good as the
same text set with proper ligatures, optimal hyphenation, etc.

Just my humble opinion,

Johannes


[1] http://nitens.org/taraborelli/latex


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mutt showing two INBOX folders

2007-02-13 Thread H.S.

Recently after a server upgrade in our department, my mutt is showing
two INBOX. folders when I try to change to a folder and list the choices
(using c?). The mail is being read from an Imap server. Any idea why the
two INBOXes in the folders list?


->HS


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printing jpeg images A4 size

2007-02-13 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hi,


I have scanned document images that are jpeg files.

But I want to print them so that they fill the whole printed page.

It doesn't seem to work :-(

The images are 1204x1644. With Imagemagick or feh they show up 
fullscreen, but when I print them they keep filling about a quarter of a 
printed page.


Resizing has no effect.

Anybody know how to make a jpeg image fill the entire printed page and 
print it as such?


Thanks.

Hugo


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Re: Release of Stable Etch

2007-02-13 Thread Victor Muchica
On 13 feb, 10:30, michael bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Does anyone have a good idea of when the release of
> stable Etch is likely ? Is there any chance that it
> will be released in February or is March a more
> realistic date?
>
>  I notice from the Feb 9th Bug report that there are
> still 104 release critical bugs to fix.
>
> 
> Cheap talk?
> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.http://voice.yahoo.com
>
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It will take its time, maybe march or april, DD are doing a great
work, trying to fix all the bugs.
Currently Im using testing on my Desktop PC.

In the past some month ago I try to made an apt-get dist-upgrade, form
sarge to etch, but too many error, so I decided to made a new
instalation from the debian testing net install (120 +/- MB).

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Re: KDE peculiarities and questions

2007-02-13 Thread Ken Heard
# update-alternatives --list x-cursor-theme only shows one cursor theme
installed: /usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme.  I think that this
theme is the default Gnome cursor theme, because when I tried to remove
it aptitude wanted to remove Gnome-desktop-environment as well.

Of course, what I wanted was NO cursor theme at all, only the default
system cursor themes.  So I removed both the "industrial" cursor theme
and Gnome-desktop environment and thereby got what I wanted.  Hooray!

Previously I had removed the desktop-base package, which did not make
any difference, at least to the login-manager and the cursor style.
Since desktop-base is used by both KDE and Gnome I reinstalled it.  In
doing so aptitude also insisted in installing three other packages:
kdebase-dbg, kdelibs-dbg and qt-x11-free-dbg.  I am not sure what all
these do, no harm, I hope.  One thing that did appear was a blue icon on
the panel which looks like a squashed half jelly bean.  It is something
called "SuperKarumba".  Useful?

Another discovery.  Days ago I wanted to change my login manager from
Gnome to KDE, but it did not work.  This morning when I booted my
desktop this morning to my amazement and surprise the KDE login manager
appeared!  I wonder what I had done in the meantime to deserve this prise.

Regards,

Ken Heard



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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Miles Fidelman wrote:
  

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:


Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people don't
care how ugly their printed documents look. 
  

I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and
government who'd contest this.
Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.



To take this further, one would have to argue about what is ugly. There
is a continuous scale from very ugly to very beautiful. Products like M$
Word cover the range from very ugly to somewhere in between. The very
beautiful end is accessible to professional typesetting systems only,
ie. TeX based systems like LaTeX or Adobe's InDesign.

Point taken.

I think what typically happens is that individuals who care about really 
beautiful design will migrate to
either a commercial product or  a Tex based system, depending on what 
they're more comfortable
with.  Corporate design departments (or university, or other large 
organization) are likely to
pick a tool for reasons having to do support, or what their vendors 
(printers, ad agencies, etc.)

use.

These remarks are not intended to start a flame
Likewise.  Just commenting on personal experience in various work 
environments.


I'm personally in the camp of time and data exchange being more 
important than beauty - Word is
good enough, it's what most of the people I exchange documents use, and 
we have internal
templates to start from.  (And I'm not sure my eye or taste are good 
enough to do much better).


When I need really fancy design work, I hand a Word document to someone 
else (like my wife, a former mechanical
artist from the old pre-computer days, who went on to work at Bitstream 
for a while) and let them use their prefered tools.


FYI: Just for perspective, I'm also old enough to remember designing 
control logic for film processors used for in preparing print the 
old-fashioned way (you know, half-tone separations, prepared with 
screens and cameras) - and, for that matter, laying out the PC boards 
with black tape on acetate.  Never used TeX or LaTeX, but used enough 
runoff and troff (remember those :-) to prefer WYSIWIG editors for short 
documents.


Cheers,

Miles


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Re: printing jpeg images A4 size

2007-02-13 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,


I have scanned document images that are jpeg files.

But I want to print them so that they fill the whole printed page.

It doesn't seem to work :-(

The images are 1204x1644. With Imagemagick or feh they show up 
fullscreen, but when I print them they keep filling about a quarter of a 
printed page.


Resizing has no effect.

Anybody know how to make a jpeg image fill the entire printed page and 
print it as such?




I manage it in a ridiculous way: I display them with:
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/wordpress

and adjust the size of the image to fit a printed page and when done so, 
print.


But there has to be a more elegant way.


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Re: Release of Stable Etch

2007-02-13 Thread Clive Menzies
On (13/02/07 07:52), Victor Muchica wrote:
> It will take its time, maybe march or april, DD are doing a great
> work, trying to fix all the bugs.
> Currently Im using testing on my Desktop PC.
> 
> In the past some month ago I try to made an apt-get dist-upgrade, form
> sarge to etch, but too many error, so I decided to made a new
> instalation from the debian testing net install (120 +/- MB).

I upgraded a sarge server running samba, dovecot, postgres, mysql etc.
and apart from some issues relating to a specific version of php5 I
needed to run SugarCRM, all went pretty smoothly.  It's an internal
server and so there are no great security issues.  On balance, I'd say
it's pretty close but I gather there are some issues relating to the
2.6.18 kernel.  The d-i release team are keen to release RC2 but it's
waiting on the final kernel.

Regards

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Re: Uncompressing gif Files that May or May Not be gif's

2007-02-13 Thread Martin McCormick
Andrew Sackville-West writes:
> 1) don't quote spam on this list.

I do apologize for doing that.  I was hoping someone
might recognize the style of the junk and know some really good
way to make it go away.  If I hadn't said it was spam, it looks
just like a malfunction which, I guess, it is in a way.  That's
what makes these particular ones so hard to filter out.  Other
than the fact that our brains quickly catch on to the fact that
this is garbage, it is all excerpted from legitimate text that
existed on the victim's computer so a language filter would have
to be very smart to reject it.

> 2) if you're worried about detecting viruses and dumping them (not a
>bad idea as they account for a reasonable portion of spam), then
>use an av setup like clamav. I run clamav on my local mailserver
>and if it hits a virus, blackholes it. I never see it and I've
>probably cut my spam by 15% or so without ever looking for "spam".

Excellent suggestion.

> 3) it is fairly trivial to flag all messages with a .gif attachment as
>spam and chuck it in the right box. bogofilter is not the way to do
>that though. Even something like a procmail rule may
>suffice. certainly, various configs in your MTA could handle
>attachments.

That's where it gets interesting.  Here where I work, we
have Microsoft Outlook, Exchange, etc.  About 2 to 3 of every 5
work-related messages contain .gif files, some of which are
pictures or maps with most being someone's signature or some
other little flourish that they want to attach to their message.
It's still a .gif, however, so probably 2/3 of my work messages
would end up in the spam folder were I to do that.

Right now, a mixture of bogofilter and .procmailrc rules
snags around 90% of the junk.  I have received 10,300+ spams of
all kinds since New Year's Eve when I started counting to see
just how many spams I receive.  It's about 250 messages per day.
if 10% get to one's inbox, that's still quite a waste of time.  I
wanted to make sure there wasn't something completely unknown
that I was missing out on.

Thanks for all constructive suggestions.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group


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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, Kamaraju, I believe I sent an e-mail to your gmail account. An
>>> update to your howto.
>> 
>> For those who do not know, Greg is talking about
>>
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html
> 
> Nice page. One small comment: The plot 'mainenance problems' appears
> twice on my iceweasel.

could you send the output of

dpkg -l iceweasel

I can check it up. There are actually two graphs. If they are appearing
twice, are you seeing four pictures? One of the graphs deals with explicit
names (sarge, etch, sid etc.,). The other deals with relative names
(stable, testing, unstable). There is a subtle difference between the
two...

raju

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Re: Beagle/Kerry

2007-02-13 Thread Wim De Smet

On 2/12/07, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello

I want to do fulltext searching in my archive of PDF files using beagle
with the kerry frontend (with Debian Sid). But it seems that my PDFs are
not indexed at all. All hits are for words contained in the PDF filenames.

I have disabled all but the "IndexingService" and "Files" backends using
the kerry frontend, because I think the others have nothing to do with
PDF indexing. However, I was not able to find out what "IndexingService"
and "Files" really mean.


Files crawls your files. So that's the one you need. It likely needs
help from the IndexingService to create indices though (I'm not sure
about this) so you best keep those two enabled. Strangely enough I
just tried it and it could only find my pdf's at first if I explicitly
told it to by saying ext:pdf on the input line. After that it found
them on any search. You might want to try that. Also, are you sure
your filesystem is mounted with user_xatrr options?

greets,
Wim



Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:54 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
>>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>>>
 Also, Kamaraju, I believe I sent an e-mail to your gmail account. An
 update to your howto.
>>> For those who do not know, Greg is talking about
>>> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html
>> Nice page. One small comment: The plot 'mainenance problems' appears
>> twice on my iceweasel.
> 
> Look at the two images they are different.

Agreed.

> That what the two graphs showed is qualitative.

I understand. But still with all measures the curves give the impression
that there is practically little difference between testing and unstable
and that stable has about 10 to 20% (qualitative!!!) of the problems of
those.

My personal experience with 15 boxes of stable and a few boxes of
testing/sid is:

- there are more problems with sid than with testing

- once debian is installed, there are next to zero problems with stable

- on a quantitative plot, the differences are even bigger. On average,
there is about one (security) update per week on my stable systems.
There are about 100 times as many bug fixes in testing and even more in
sid.

Just look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ to get an
impression of how many more release critical bugs there are in sid
(approximately the red curve) compared to testing (approximately the
green curve).

Unfortunately, I don't know how find out how many RC bugs there are in
stable. A quick scan shows that most of those are about non-free
documentation or other issues that don't directly affect the usability
of the system.

On a qualitative plot, I would simply put testing a bit below unstable
and stable much closer to the lower axis.

My .02

Johannes


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Re: Release of Stable Etch

2007-02-13 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
michael bailey wrote:

> 
>  Does anyone have a good idea of when the release of
> stable Etch is likely ? Is there any chance that it
> will be released in February or is March a more
> realistic date?
> 

I would say that is really optimistic. But dont hold me up on that.

>  I notice from the Feb 9th Bug report that there are
> still 104 release critical bugs to fix.
> 

If on the average one RC bug is fixed per day, it still takes 3 months for
Etch to be released. This is just an estimate. The standard answer is "Etch
will release when it is ready". If you want Etch to be released any faster,
please fix some bugs (or any other bugs for that matter).

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Print :: Number Of Copies

2007-02-13 Thread Michael S. Peek
Hey guys, I think I may have found a bug.  I wasn't able to find 
anything like it in the bug report list, and I wasn't sure how to file 
it as I don't know what package it would be associated with.


Here's my bug:

I have a remote printer connected to a remote machine that I am printing 
to via LPD with CUPS.


In any application:
Select: File --> Print...
In the print window that appears, select the Job tab.
In the Job tab, under Copies, set any number greater than 1.
Select Print.

Only one copy shoots out of the printer.  It is as though the number of 
copies setting is ignored.  I've noticed this on both Gnome under Etch 
and KDE under Sarge.  I've not done more thorough testing yet, but I 
thought I would throw this out there and find out whether or not this is 
a bug or my own stupidity before I invested more time on it.


Michael




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Re: Print :: Number Of Copies

2007-02-13 Thread Michael S. Peek

Michael S. Peek wrote:
Hey guys, I think I may have found a bug.  I wasn't able to find 
anything like it in the bug report list, and I wasn't sure how to file 
it as I don't know what package it would be associated with.


Here's my bug:

I have a remote printer connected to a remote machine that I am 
printing to via LPD with CUPS.


In any application:
Select: File --> Print...
In the print window that appears, select the Job tab.
In the Job tab, under Copies, set any number greater than 1.
Select Print.

Only one copy shoots out of the printer.  It is as though the number 
of copies setting is ignored.  I've noticed this on both Gnome under 
Etch and KDE under Sarge.  I've not done more thorough testing yet, 
but I thought I would throw this out there and find out whether or not 
this is a bug or my own stupidity before I invested more time on it.


Michael



Oh yeah, you know what, it occurred to me that it may have something to 
do with the remote machine being a solaris box not running CUPS.  Maybe 
that'll ring a few bells with a guru out there somewhere.


Michael


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

2007-02-13 Thread Carl Johnson
Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Don't forget that 'aptitude search tcl' also searches only packages
> names.

The ara and xara packages allow for keyword searching in the
description field.  I use xara-gtk in the simple mode, and it has an
easy form based interface for searching.
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Re: Print :: Number Of Copies

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Michael S. Peek wrote:
>>
>> Here's my bug:
>
> Oh yeah, you know what, it occurred to me that it may have something to
> do with the remote machine being a solaris box not running CUPS.  Maybe
> that'll ring a few bells with a guru out there somewhere.

So maybe it is just a solaris bug?

Printing several copies (more than 100) worked fine from my debian etch
to a remote debian sarge the last time I tried.

Johannes


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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 18:48 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:54 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> >> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> >>> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >>>
>  Also, Kamaraju, I believe I sent an e-mail to your gmail account. An
>  update to your howto.
> >>> For those who do not know, Greg is talking about
> >>> http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html
> >> Nice page. One small comment: The plot 'mainenance problems' appears
> >> twice on my iceweasel.
> > 
> > Look at the two images they are different.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > That what the two graphs showed is qualitative.
> 
> I understand. But still with all measures the curves give the impression
> that there is practically little difference between testing and unstable
> and that stable has about 10 to 20% (qualitative!!!) of the problems of
> those.
> 
> My personal experience with 15 boxes of stable and a few boxes of
> testing/sid is:
> 
> - there are more problems with sid than with testing
> 
> - once debian is installed, there are next to zero problems with stable
> 
> - on a quantitative plot, the differences are even bigger. On average,
> there is about one (security) update per week on my stable systems.
> There are about 100 times as many bug fixes in testing and even more in
> sid.
> 
> Just look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ to get an
> impression of how many more release critical bugs there are in sid
> (approximately the red curve) compared to testing (approximately the
> green curve).
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't know how find out how many RC bugs there are in
> stable.

RC bugs in stable right now is O (zero)

RC == Release Critical (or so I've been told)

Since Stable is already released... well you draw the conclusion.

>  A quick scan shows that most of those are about non-free
> documentation or other issues that don't directly affect the usability
> of the system.
> 
> On a qualitative plot, I would simply put testing a bit below unstable
> and stable much closer to the lower axis.

Well, you see, there are LOTS of bugs discovered in the first few months
after Stable release. Its a proved fact that testing doesn't get tested
enough, until it is migrated to stable. Many, many latent bugs are
discovered right after release. Things only tremendous amounts of
testing/using will bear out.

These graphs the Matt Exon made are really a "close approximation" not
definitive.
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Re: Print :: Number Of Copies

2007-02-13 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 13:09 -0500, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Michael S. Peek wrote:
> > Hey guys, I think I may have found a bug.  I wasn't able to find 
> > anything like it in the bug report list, and I wasn't sure how to file 
> > it as I don't know what package it would be associated with.
> >
> > Here's my bug:
> >
> > I have a remote printer connected to a remote machine that I am 
> > printing to via LPD with CUPS.
> >
> > In any application:
> > Select: File --> Print...
> > In the print window that appears, select the Job tab.
> > In the Job tab, under Copies, set any number greater than 1.
> > Select Print.
> >
> > Only one copy shoots out of the printer.  It is as though the number 
> > of copies setting is ignored.  I've noticed this on both Gnome under 
> > Etch and KDE under Sarge.  I've not done more thorough testing yet, 
> > but I thought I would throw this out there and find out whether or not 
> > this is a bug or my own stupidity before I invested more time on it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> Oh yeah, you know what, it occurred to me that it may have something to 
> do with the remote machine being a solaris box not running CUPS.  Maybe 
> that'll ring a few bells with a guru out there somewhere.

Make sure you have cupsys-bsd installed. Setup a local CUPS printer that
prints the BSD/LPRNG queue properly.

Also, the Solaris queue might be set to only print 1 copy, no matter the
requested number.

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Re: Memory Question

2007-02-13 Thread Joe Hart
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Tyler Smith wrote:
> On 2007-02-13, Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Here's my question.  Why do the two different versions report different
>> a different amount of memory?  The 32 bit version says I have a total of
>> 886MB, where the 64-bit version says there is 1024MB.
>>
> 
> I came across this recently when I upgraded my Ram from 0.5 to 1.5
> gigs. In order to use 1GB or more RAM you have to have a kernel with
> highmem support enabled. Perhaps your 32 bit installation doesn't have
> this, while the 64-bit does. It's easily fixed, you need to figure out
> which kernel image supports highmem on your architecture and install
> that. For me, it meant switching from the 2.6.18-3-386 to the
> 2.6.18-3-686 kernel.
> 
Thanks,  I upgraded to the 686 kernel and now it shows everything.  I of
course had to change my nvidia drivers as well.  I lost X for a little
while, but I've been there before and had it fixed in a few minutes.

One thing I did notice, Xorg was using 40% of the CPU with the "nv"
driver.  When I switched to "nvidia" (nvidia-glx) it dropped to 2%.
I don't like using proprietary stuff, but I can't live with only 60% of
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Re: installation help urgent

2007-02-13 Thread Joe Hart
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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> [snip]
>> Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.
>
> Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.
>

You're right about that.  It's one of the first things I did after
installation because I came from the Ubuntu world where sudo is the only
way to do things.  Funny though because I got sick of typing it all the
time and found myself just doing sudo -i so I would get a root prompt.

Actually there are some commands that you can't do through sudo that you
can from root, even though the sudoers file lists (ALL) ALL.

iptables and echoing to /proc are examples.


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no motd regeneration

2007-02-13 Thread Ricardo Yanez
How can one suppress regeneration of /etc/motd in etch?

The old EDITMOTD varible in /etc/default/rcS is no longer used for this
purpose.

Ricardo Yanez




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ATI Proprietary driver fglrx problem with Radeon 9200SE

2007-02-13 Thread ][
Hi, 

I've always use the fglrx-driver package for my ATI Radeon 9200SE card.
But it never occurs to me that the driver is not working properly.

According to "How do I know fglrx is installed correctly?"
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_know_fglrx_is_installed_correctly.3F


I failed 4 of the 4 tests, which means I'm not using the fglrx
driver at all, but everything seems to be working -- my console and X,
even my dual-head configuration.

I'm wondering what driver I'm using, How can I make the fglrx driver works
and how can I enable my DRI. 

Any helpful information would be appreciated.

thanks

Here are relevant part of my xorg.log file:

-
(II) ATI Radeon/FireGL: The following chipsets are supported:
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.28.8
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: LGDr8.28g1
   [...]   
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: Aug 17 2006 09:28:12
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Information: 
autobuild-rel-r6-8.28.1.1.2.3-driver-lnx-x86-x86_64-287161
(--) Chipset RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5964) found
(--) Chipset RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5964) found
  [...]   
(--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5964)" (Chipset = 
0x5964)  [...]   
(II) Loading sub module "drm"
(II) LoadModule: "drm"
(II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libdrm.so
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx"
(WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection

[...]

(II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI
(II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx"
(II) fglrx(0): [drm] drmOpen failed
(EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
(WW) fglrx(0): ***
(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!  *
(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available*
(WW) fglrx(0): * *
-

I'm using the ATI Proprietary Linux driver fglrx-driver v8.28.8-4 under
Debian Testing, xorg 7.1.0-8.

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Re: Uncompressing gif Files that May or May Not be gif's

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:34:57AM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West writes:
> 
> > 3) it is fairly trivial to flag all messages with a .gif attachment as
> >spam and chuck it in the right box. bogofilter is not the way to do
> >that though. Even something like a procmail rule may
> >suffice. certainly, various configs in your MTA could handle
> >attachments.
> 
>   That's where it gets interesting.  Here where I work, we
> have Microsoft Outlook, Exchange, etc.  About 2 to 3 of every 5
> work-related messages contain .gif files, some of which are
> pictures or maps with most being someone's signature or some
> other little flourish that they want to attach to their message.
> It's still a .gif, however, so probably 2/3 of my work messages
> would end up in the spam folder were I to do that.

well, that's a social problem. there are no real technological
solutions for social problems. ;-P

> 
>   Right now, a mixture of bogofilter and .procmailrc rules
> snags around 90% of the junk.  I have received 10,300+ spams of
> all kinds since New Year's Eve when I started counting to see
> just how many spams I receive.  It's about 250 messages per day.
> if 10% get to one's inbox, that's still quite a waste of time.  I
> wanted to make sure there wasn't something completely unknown
> that I was missing out on.
> 
>   Thanks for all constructive suggestions.

I only recently switched from bogofilter to spamassassin w/ clamav and
I have to say its impressive. It has tagged more spam more accurately
than bogofilter ever did. And it has not given me 1 false positive
which bogofilter definitely did on occaision. just last night I had
368 spam that scored over 10, about 22 that were scored between 5 and
10 (which i put in the "suspect-spam" folder just in case, never had
one *NOT* be spam yet). 16 that were blackholed by clamav, and then
maybe 12 that were missed and ended up in my regular folders. I feel
pretty good about that, considering I haven't really started training
the bayesian filters yet. So that's less than 3% of my total spam load
that got missed by SA/clamav. 

There are ocr plugins for spamassassin that will look at things like
the contents of images to determine if its spam. might work for you
though, with the amount of images you guys are passing around, the
performance hit could be pretty large. You'd need to set up some
pretty strict rules about what gets filtered through that  system. One
of them is called fuzzyocr I believe. 

Finally, you might think about using a whitelist setup for who is
allowed to send images and then everyone else gets the images stripped
off. You could whitelist all your local users and known others and
then dump any other images right in the blackhole and be done with
it. If someone sends you an unsolicited image, that's their problem.

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Re: Beagle/Kerry

2007-02-13 Thread Torquil Macdonald Sørensen

Wim De Smet wrote:

On 2/12/07, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello

I want to do fulltext searching in my archive of PDF files using beagle
with the kerry frontend (with Debian Sid). But it seems that my PDFs are
not indexed at all. All hits are for words contained in the PDF 
filenames.


I have disabled all but the "IndexingService" and "Files" backends using
the kerry frontend, because I think the others have nothing to do with
PDF indexing. However, I was not able to find out what "IndexingService"
and "Files" really mean.


Files crawls your files. So that's the one you need. It likely needs
help from the IndexingService to create indices though (I'm not sure
about this) so you best keep those two enabled. Strangely enough I
just tried it and it could only find my pdf's at first if I explicitly
told it to by saying ext:pdf on the input line. After that it found
them on any search. You might want to try that. Also, are you sure
your filesystem is mounted with user_xatrr options?

greets,
Wim




It's working for me now. I fiddled around a bit, but now I am back the 
the same settings as before. It took quite a while for beagle to build 
up its index, maybe that was the reason I didn't get any hits before. I 
have had user_xattr enabled all along. Btw, ext:pdf works as it should, 
by only showing pdf hits. Without it I get other file types aswell.


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Re: X doesn't start [Was: KDE peculiarities and questions]

2007-02-13 Thread Ken Heard
Kent West wrote:

> Log into an "ordinary terminal", and stop/kill any X-related processes.
> (Use "ps ax" and "kill" as necessary, or use other means such as
> "/etc/init.d/kdm stop").

Earlier I had purged xserver-xorg and all its dependencies and
reinstalled it.  No change.

Then I logged in as directed.  "ps ax" produced a long list of
processes, none of which seemed to me to be X-related.  In view of my
knowledge level, the fact that I could not recognize any of them as such
that does not mean they weren't.  "Jobs" returned no jobs; so there was
nothing for "kill" to kill.  I stopped kdm, with the effect that
terminal F7 was blank.

> Now as a normal (non-root) user, run "startx". What happens?

I logged in as my user and ran startx.  It returned three lines:

xauth: creating new authority file /home/ken/.serverauth.3110
/etc/X11/X is not executable
xinit: Server error

However, as root user I was able to run startx.  KDE opened in terminal
F7 logged in as root without my intervention.

> Also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log) for clues,
> especially lines containing "EE".

My user x-server-errors log file was empty.  I could find nothing
untoward in either dmesg or syslog, except the following line in the
latter, which really does not tell us anything we do not already know.

Feb 13 12:02:11 LAP kdm: :0[2736]: Session "/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession"
execution failed: Permission denied

  The only other specific error messages I
could find were in kdm.log.  There was one line: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is
not DRT capable.  There were three other (EE) lines saying that a
Synaptic touchpad could not be found and therefore was not activated;
but the Toshiba Tecra 8000 uses an Accupoint instead of a touchpad.

>> To make matters worse, an hour later I booted my desktop and met
>> with the same result: a fail-safe terminal emulator and a hung machine.
>> This failure happened to a P4 box on which I had installed Sarge and KDE
>>  in June 2005 when Sarge first came out.  Other than a few glitches
>> encountered on initial installation, it has worked perfectly ever since.

Made the same checks as before.  No error reports in dmesg or kdm.log.
 There were two lines near the end of syslog, as follows:

Feb 13 14:00:22 localhost kdm_greet[2792]: Can't open default user face
Feb 13 14:00:28 localhost kdm: :0[2797]: Session
"/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession" execution failed: Permission denied

> Run "ifconfig" and see if you have an expected IP address; my first
> suspicion is that zeroconf got installed; it tends to cause problems
> with networking.

Ifconfig only reports the loop back IP address.  The IP address
assigned by the gateway, 192.168.0.114, was not reported by ifconfig,
presumably because the operating system cannot connect to the network.

As I have managed to remove all my data from the Sarge box, fixing it
is not my priority.  Getting the laptop working is.  As I have not yet
any data on it, the only thing I can think of to do is to start the
installation all over again, this time using Etch RC2.  As for the P4
box with Sarge, I can think of nothing better to do and wait until Etch
becomes stable.

Regards,

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Re: X doesn't start [Was: KDE peculiarities and questions]

2007-02-13 Thread Kent West

Ken Heard wrote:

Kent West wrote:
  

Now as a normal (non-root) user, run "startx". What happens?



I logged in as my user and ran startx.  It returned three lines:

xauth: creating new authority file /home/ken/.serverauth.3110
/etc/X11/X is not executable
xinit: Server error

However, as root user I was able to run startx.  KDE opened in terminal
F7 logged in as root without my intervention.
  


I suspect your /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file is set to allow root only. 
Either edit that file manually to:


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# Xwrapper.config (Debian X Window System server wrapper configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by the post-installation script of the x11-common
# package using values from the debconf database.
#
# See the Xwrapper.config(5) manual page for more information.
#
# This file is automatically updated on upgrades of the x11-common package
# *only* if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of that package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command as root:
#   dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
allowed_users=console
nice_value=-10

or better yet, do as the file says and run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" 
and change the setting that way.



The following issue should really be broken out into a different thread:

Run "ifconfig" and see if you have an expected IP address; my first
suspicion is that zeroconf got installed; it tends to cause problems
with networking.



Ifconfig only reports the loop back IP address.  The IP address
assigned by the gateway, 192.168.0.114, was not reported by ifconfig,
presumably because the operating system cannot connect to the network.

  

What happens when you run "/etc/init.d/networking restart"?

What does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like?


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Re: removing sound-juicer

2007-02-13 Thread David Jardine
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 04:16:02PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:30:33PM +, John K Masters wrote:
> 
> [... typical panic about removing gnome-desktop-environment ...]
> > 
> > Just a thought. Being informed that gnome-desktop-environment is being
> > removed would tend to scare the pants off most people, me included.
> > Would it not be better to call these meta-packages something like
> > gnome-desktop-environment-meta or
> > important-sounding-package-safetoremove. Just my 0.03 euros worth.
> > 
> 
> well, that's not a bad idea except... if you installed it with a
> "removes-dependencies-automatically" package manager like aptitude,
> its not necessarily safe to remove...

If I understand the meta-package concept right, the meta-package 
depends on the real packages, but nothing depends on the 
meta-package.  Removing it would therefore have no side-effects.  
Or have I got it wrong?

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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Joey Hess
Greg Folkert wrote:
> Well, you see, there are LOTS of bugs discovered in the first few months
> after Stable release. Its a proved fact that testing doesn't get tested
> enough, until it is migrated to stable. Many, many latent bugs are
> discovered right after release. Things only tremendous amounts of
> testing/using will bear out.

The spike that you're referring to was largely due to many classes of
bugs becoming release critical for etch release that were not for the
sarge release. For example, many release critical bugs were filed about
packages that failed to build with the newer version of gcc we needed to
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Re: professional data recovery services for ex3 filesystem

2007-02-13 Thread Mike McCarty

Ron Johnson wrote:


Any kind of noise like that can't be good, though.  Definitely time
to get a new disk.


Not necessarily. Some discs have a grounding strap which can
develop an annoying squeal, but which is harmless to the disc.

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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-13 Thread Mike McCarty

Celejar wrote:


I'm trying to wrap my head around 'forever less one day'.
Here's a relevant discussion [0].


Reminds me of the joke we used to tell to illustrate the
difference between a one-pass algorithm and a two-pass
algorithm.

An elderly woman was riding a bus in an unfamiliar part of
town, and was unsure which stop to take. She saw a little
boy who seemed to know what he was doing, since he was
obviously acting very nonchalant. She asked him whether
he knew where her stop was, and he replied "Sure, lady.
Just watch me, and get off one stop before I do." Of course,
he gives a two-pass algorithm when she only has a one-pass
option.

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Etch AMD64 daily build netinstall hangs (nforce 430 MB).

2007-02-13 Thread Ramasubramanian Ramesh

All,

 I am trying to install etch amd64 daily build on to a geforce/nforce 
6150/430 based board (Abit NF-M2 socket am2 board) but it hangs. It 
hangs right after it prints info about detecting 1.44 floppy. I suspect 
it is the network card that makes it hang. Has any one gotten network 
working on a geforce/nforce 6150/430 with any versions of etch? If so 
could you please share any helpful info.


Thanks
Ramesh


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Re: printing jpeg images A4 size

2007-02-13 Thread csanyipal
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:12:47AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> >Anybody know how to make a jpeg image fill the entire printed page and 
> >print it as such?
> >
> 
> I manage it in a ridiculous way: I display them with:
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/wordpress
> 
> and adjust the size of the image to fit a printed page and when done so, 
> print.

I use gThumb to print images (jpg, etc.) on A4 paperformat.

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Re: removing sound-juicer

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 08:58:05PM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 04:16:02PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:30:33PM +, John K Masters wrote:
> > 
> > [... typical panic about removing gnome-desktop-environment ...]
> > > 
> > > Just a thought. Being informed that gnome-desktop-environment is being
> > > removed would tend to scare the pants off most people, me included.
> > > Would it not be better to call these meta-packages something like
> > > gnome-desktop-environment-meta or
> > > important-sounding-package-safetoremove. Just my 0.03 euros worth.
> > > 
> > 
> > well, that's not a bad idea except... if you installed it with a
> > "removes-dependencies-automatically" package manager like aptitude,
> > its not necessarily safe to remove...
> 
> If I understand the meta-package concept right, the meta-package 
> depends on the real packages, but nothing depends on the 
> meta-package.  Removing it would therefore have no side-effects.  
> Or have I got it wrong?
> 

On surface I think you're right unless you get into the auto/manual
package tagging in aptitude.

I'll admit that I don't fully understand it within the context of
aptitude, but AIUI...

install a package called dep3, it is marked as manually installed and
will be left alone by aptitude.

install meta1, that meta-package is marked as manually
installed so aptitude will not remove it without explicit
instructions. meta1 depends on dep1, dep2, dep3. dep1 and 2 get
installed  and aptitude marks them all as automatically
installed. dep3 is already installed, fine.

now install meta2 which depends on dep2 and dep4. Now dep2 is already
installed, but not dep4 which gets pulled in and also marked as
automatically installed. 

Now you have: 

meta 1  -manual
 dep1   -auto
 dep2   -auto   
 dep3   -manual

meta 2  -manual
 dep2   -auto
 dep4   -auto

So later when you remove meta1, aptitude goes
through all its dependencies and checks to see if anything *else*
depends on them too. It looks at dep1 and sees that nothing else is
depending on it and its marked as automatically installed so marks it
for removal. Next it looks at dep2 and sees that meta2 depends on it
and leaves it. Finally it looks at dep3 and sees nothing depending on
it, but it is marked as manually installed and leaves is alone.

Likewise, another scenario using the same packages as above: I'm done
with dep3, not realising meta1 depends on it, I remove it. This breaks
meta1, so meta1 gets marked for removal as well cascading to dep1 and
dep2 (which stays because meta2 uses it). 

I don't know how accurate that all is, but that's how I view it and it
seems to keep me out of trouble. 

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Re: Couldn't load XKB keymap... Can't switch to terminal mode

2007-02-13 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 21:11:54 -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 22:40 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 18:20:55 -0800, Kenward Vaughan wrote:

[...]

> > > (edited)
> > > 
> > > daddy:~# dpkg -l xlibs\*
> > > ...
> > > ||/ Name   Version  
> > > +++-==-==
> > > ii  xlibs  6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 
> > > ii  xlibs-data 7.1.0-11 
> > > 
> > > 06:16:25
> > > daddy:~# dpkg -l xkb-data\*
> > > ...
> > > ||/ Name   Version 
> > > +++-==-
> > > ii  xkb-data   0.9-4 
> > > un  xkb-data-legac   
> > 
> > I have the same versions and everything is OK for me. (AFAIK these
> > packages should have the XKB definitions.)
> > 
> > What is your xorg keyboard config? You can run
> > 
> > awk '/Section "InputDevice/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> 
> > to see the relevant part.
> 
> Seems same as usual to me:  
> 
> 09:03:46
> daddy:~# awk '/Section "InputDevice/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver  "kbd"
> Option  "CoreKeyboard"
> Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
> Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
> Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
> EndSection
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
> Driver  "mouse"
> Option  "CorePointer"
> Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
> Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "false"
> Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
> Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
> EndSection

That certainly looks OK to me, too.

> None of this has changed since before the problematic update. 
> 
> Perhaps I should do a --force purge/reinstall of the packages you
> mentioned?

[...]

> "xev" reports what I assume is a normal output for all those keys:
> ---
> KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x141,
> root 0x119, subw 0x0, time 3112150093, (604,209), root:(752,380),
> state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES,
> XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
> XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
> XFilterEvent returns: False

[...]

Again, the same as for me (also the output for the other keys which I
removed).

It might indeed be the time to try purging xlibs, xlibs-data and/or
xkb-data. The quickest way is probably to use "dpkg -P --force-depends"
and then to reinstall immediately. You could also try to downgrade to
the previous versions of these packages to see if the bug was really
caused by the upgrade. (You probably still have the necessary .deb files
in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ unless you clean that out since the
upgrade.)

Another thing to check is the output of xmodmap. Here is what I get:

$ xmodmap
xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lockCaps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_L (0x7d),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

$ xmodmap -pk | grep Switch_VT
 67 0xffbe (F1) 0x1008fe01 (XF86_Switch_VT_1)
 68 0xffbf (F2) 0x1008fe02 (XF86_Switch_VT_2)
 69 0xffc0 (F3) 0x1008fe03 (XF86_Switch_VT_3)
 70 0xffc1 (F4) 0x1008fe04 (XF86_Switch_VT_4)
 71 0xffc2 (F5) 0x1008fe05 (XF86_Switch_VT_5)
 72 0xffc3 (F6) 0x1008fe06 (XF86_Switch_VT_6)
 73 0xffc4 (F7) 0x1008fe07 (XF86_Switch_VT_7)
 74 0xffc5 (F8) 0x1008fe08 (XF86_Switch_VT_8)
 75 0xffc6 (F9) 0x1008fe09 (XF86_Switch_VT_9)
 76 0xffc7 (F10)0x1008fe0a (XF86_Switch_VT_10)
 95 0xffc8 (F11)0x1008fe0b (XF86_Switch_VT_11)
 96 0xffc9 (F12)0x1008fe0c (XF86_Switch_VT_12)

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Re: removing sound-juicer

2007-02-13 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:34:59 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 08:58:05PM +0100, David Jardine wrote:

[snip]

> > If I understand the meta-package concept right, the meta-package 
> > depends on the real packages, but nothing depends on the 
> > meta-package.  Removing it would therefore have no side-effects.  
> > Or have I got it wrong?
> > 
> 
> On surface I think you're right unless you get into the auto/manual
> package tagging in aptitude.
> 
> I'll admit that I don't fully understand it within the context of
> aptitude, but AIUI...
> 
> install a package called dep3, it is marked as manually installed and
> will be left alone by aptitude.
> 
> install meta1, that meta-package is marked as manually
> installed so aptitude will not remove it without explicit
> instructions. meta1 depends on dep1, dep2, dep3. dep1 and 2 get
> installed  and aptitude marks them all as automatically
> installed. dep3 is already installed, fine.
> 
> now install meta2 which depends on dep2 and dep4. Now dep2 is already
> installed, but not dep4 which gets pulled in and also marked as
> automatically installed. 
> 
> Now you have: 
> 
> meta 1-manual
>  dep1 -auto
>  dep2 -auto   
>  dep3 -manual
> 
> meta 2-manual
>  dep2 -auto
>  dep4 -auto
> 
> So later when you remove meta1, aptitude goes
> through all its dependencies and checks to see if anything *else*
> depends on them too. It looks at dep1 and sees that nothing else is
> depending on it and its marked as automatically installed so marks it
> for removal. Next it looks at dep2 and sees that meta2 depends on it
> and leaves it. Finally it looks at dep3 and sees nothing depending on
> it, but it is marked as manually installed and leaves is alone.
> 
> Likewise, another scenario using the same packages as above: I'm done
> with dep3, not realising meta1 depends on it, I remove it. This breaks
> meta1, so meta1 gets marked for removal as well cascading to dep1 and
> dep2 (which stays because meta2 uses it). 
> 
> I don't know how accurate that all is, but that's how I view it and it
> seems to keep me out of trouble. 
> 
> A

So would I be correct in saying that using aptitude is safe, using apt-get is 
safe, just don't mix the two?

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security updates download

2007-02-13 Thread onlineviewer
Hello All,

Is there a way to download and save all of the sarge security updates.
I need to burn them to cd. I have a few machines which have no
internet access, so i can not grab them with apt. Suggestions?

Thank you,


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Re: security updates download

2007-02-13 Thread Owen Heisler

On 13 Feb 2007 12:55:11 -0800, onlineviewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello All,

Is there a way to download and save all of the sarge security updates.
I need to burn them to cd. I have a few machines which have no
internet access, so i can not grab them with apt. Suggestions?


apt-zip can write a script for you to download the packages on a Linux
system with internet access, but I think you still need to get updated
package lists onto the systems without internet access.

I wish it were possible to just grab a package list (dpkg -l), then
feed this to some program that would get all the possible updates.
And perhaps the program would be available for Windows too...


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:05:26 -0500
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[... snip ...]

> On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:41, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500
> >
> > > If Office is the issue, and not Windows overall, then why should
> > > she buy office when she can use OpenOffice for free and it will
> > > read and write all MS Office files?
> >
> > You did read the line above that she says that openoffice isn't good
> > enough for here?
> 
> I thought I had read it clearly, but I must have missed that part.  I 
> don't know how.  Maybe I tune it out because I've dealt with too many 
> people that look at OOo, try it for 2 minutes, say, "It won't work," 
> and then I ask them to show me how to do a few things in Office and 
> realize they really don't even have much of a clue with Office.  With 
> OOo 2.x, there's really no reason to stick with Office any longer 
> unless the PHB orders it.
>

I am with you on that, but windows users tend to be hard headed about such
stuff or they wouldn't be using it in the first place (linux is software with
some bugs, microsoft is bugs with some software ;-)


> > Personally I am a bigger fan of openoffice but it does have problems
> > with properly formatting word documents.
> 
> I've never really had a problem with that.  Are you dealing with 
> specific or unusual formatting?
> 

by order of importance and tendency for problems:

mathematics, hebrew, tables, location of page breaks (probably font issue)

I use openoffice almost solely for opening word documents that I have to open
(with most of them I don't bother and my own work is with latex, lyx (latex 
again)
or text).

> Hal
> 
> 


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icedove and NNTP

2007-02-13 Thread Easthope
Debian Users,

Xfce4 and icedove are installed on a machine here.

In icedove, I added a news group account and subscribed 
it to debian-user.  Still no messages appear in the inbox.

The group is available from the server via another 
news reader.

Someone please mention what further steps are 
needed to read debian-user in icedove.

Thanks, Peter E.

Desktops.OpenDoc  http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/




Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:17:41 -0500
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans.
> 
> I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want
> html output option).  Is there anything that you _can't_ do with Lyx
> that you can do with LaTex?
> 

There is the occasional extreme fine tuning of the preamble issue for conference
papers (very rare) and it can be a bit difficult to collaborate with latex only
users (when I need to reincorporate changes into the document).

Note that anything that lyx doesn't know how to do directly can be done by
inserting a latex box. BTW these things get fewer and fewer by the
version.

> Doug.
> 
> 


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:14 -0500
cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17:41PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > > Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans.
> > 
> > I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want
> > html output option).  Is there anything that you _can't_ do with Lyx
> > that you can do with LaTex?
> 
> Don't take my word for it but the short answer is no since as far as I
> can remember for stuff that it doesn't do out of the box, LyX lets you
> imbed LaTeX native statements in your document.
> 
> But to answer your second question (should I choose LyX over LaTeX) 
> unless you absolutely want something that feels a bit like Microsoft
> Word I would not bother with LyX.  I did have some familiarity with
> markup languages but it only took me a few hours to figure out how to
> put together a basic native LaTeX document.  It took me much longer to
> customize LyX to my liking. 
> 

I find it's main power come in three places:

Mathematics (you see almost anything on screen making it much easier to get the
equations right, especially when they are long an complicated).

Tables (not as much as an issue as with mathematics).

Images, much less than the previous two.

I found that setting up shortcuts, esspecially for mathematics is very easy and
straight forward, of course once you figure out where to put them. On the other
hand I still haven't managed to get vim and emacs to behave as I like

> As always, YMMV.
> 
> A few good (?) reasons to choose LaTeX:
> 
> With native LaTex you will be using your editor of choice .. you won't
> have to teach your fingers new habits.  Worth a thought if you plan on
> using LaTeX extensively.
> 
> Overhead and portability.  Recent versions of LyX use the KDE/QT gui.
> With native LaTeX all you need is an editor and LaTex.
> 

There is a lyx version for linux windows and I believe mac osx IIRC, the
windows version even takes care of installing latex properly.

As for the overhand, I find the lyx doesn't take more memory than vim or emacs,
probably more than the lighter ones (it uses qt, not the full blown kde, so it
doesn't pull along the whole daemon party. There is also a xforms version btw)

Just for the record:

USER   PID   %CPU %MEM   VSZ RSS   TTY   STAT START   TIME COMMAND
micha  7344  0.2 3.526388  9044  ?S  21:16 0:23 
 lyx-qt

> If you are a vim user & insist on working in something gui you may want
> to take a peek at this:
> 
> http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net
> 

Or if you are an emacs user there is auctex, I prefer that to vim (and
vim-latex)

> Lastly, another thing to consider before you decide:  Despite the name
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is mostly a LaTeX support list and it is both very
> friendly to (serious) novices and very responsive.  
> 
> I'm not sure LyX has the equivalent.
> 

lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
very helpful for both lyx and latex

> HTH
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> cga
> 

There are occations for each and there are some edge cases where lyx can cause
some latex errors which can be a pain to understand, but pure latex can cause
more.

If you only need simple text with sections or like programing or fine twiking I
would go with pure latex. If you like some "what you see is almost what you
get", some math or making something more complicated without much more work
than the simple stuff I would go with lyx (it can also smooth the learning
curve a bit).

> 
> 


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Re: Using graphical environment

2007-02-13 Thread Kent West

Kelly D Kennedy wrote:

Kent you are the greatest.  Worked like a charm.  All updates are over
the net now.

I have another question I thought I would bounce off you if you do not
mind.  The server I am running this test environment on is an HP
Proliant DL140.  Dual Xeon 2.8 4 gig memory.  We have 7 of these in
total.  This is a test machine.  We currently use Solaris 9 and have
grown ever more frustrated with it.  What we did was swapped the
(old)boot drive to a slave position and put in a new hard drive for
this testing.  My question is can I access the old data on the old
drive with this system?  It would be much easier to copy directly.
  


(You might get more informed answers from the list rather than from me, 
thus I'm routing this back to the list. Having said that ...)


You can almost certainly do what you're wanting to do.

You don't mention if your drives are IDE, SCSI, SATA, or what, so the 
first thing to do is to see how your drive is being addressed. If you'll 
run the "mount" command (or do one of three or four other methods), 
you'll see where your current system is mounted; it'll look something 
like this:


/dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
/dev/hda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw)
/dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
/dev/hda7 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,noexec)
/dev/hda8 on /home type ext3 (rw)
/dev/hda9 on /usr/local type ext3 (rw)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)

According to this output, my IDE hard drive is being addressed as 
"/dev/hda" (with the partition numbers appended for each mounted partition).


A SCSI drive is more likely to be addressed as "/dev/sda". (I'm 
unfamiliar with SATA drives or other more esoteric configurations, so 
I'm not sure how they're addressed.)


Your slave drive will be addressed similarly. On a typical IDE system, 
there are a maximum of four drives available, listed as hda, hdb, hdc, 
and hdd. hda and hdb are master and slave on the primary IDE port, 
whereas hdc and hdd are master and slave on the secondary IDE port.


So all you need to do is mount the proper drive.

You can create a "mount point" (a directory name where the mounted slave 
drive will show up); something like:


 mkdir -p /mnt/Slowaris
or
 mkdir /home/kelly/rickety_old_Sun_OS

(You can see I don't much care for Solaris, either.)

Then mount the slave drive with a command like:

 mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/Slowaris

The "hdb3" portion will depend on how your drive is addressed by the 
system, and by which partition you want to mount. You can probably use 
"cfdisk /dev/hdb" to see the partitioning schemes on the hdb drive 
(there are other methods as well).


Now you can access the files on the drive simply by 
copying/moving/listing/etc the files in /mnt/Slowaris.


This is only a temporary mounting, which will remain mounted until the 
next reboot (or manual unmount, or perhaps init level change, etc). If 
you want it to be mounted at each boot, you'll have to add a line in 
/etc/fstab.


Feel free to ask for clarifications, etc.

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Re: Writer Processor (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian ...)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:44:08 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 02/11/07 14:03, Joe Hart wrote:
> >   
> >> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >> 
> > [snip]
> >   
> >> I am a writer, and I used Word to write my books.  Personally I 
> >> don't like OO Writer.  It, just like MS Word is overblown.  I 
> >> still haven't found the Perfect Word Processor, but now at least
> >> 
> >
> > What do you need in a WP?  Academic features (formal citations,
> > embedded graphics, TOC, index, etc), movie/theater formating,
> > something I haven't thought of?
> >
> > I guess what I'm asking is, "Why can't you use a full-featured
> > *text* editor?"  gvim or gedit, maybe, with a postprocessing tool to
> > reformat output to typewriter (double-spaced, with 1 inch margins &
> > headers) format?
> >
> > Such editors are definitely light-weight and ASCII files are small
> > and totally portable.
> >
> >   
> >> I can get the source code to one that I think is good, and if I 
> >> can understand the code, I might even be able to make it my 
> >> Perfect Word (Pun intended).
> >> 
> >
> > Only greybeards will understand that pun.
> >
> >   
> 
>  Actually, my work is plain fiction, and the only features I need are 
> basic editing, but the feature that I used the most was using headers to 
> mark places and using the outline view to quickly locate different 
> sections.  I am getting older (I remember having to learn WP 5.1 at 
> school) and my memory isn't what it used to be.  I find myself having to 
> look back to ensure that I keep names consistent.  Can't very well have 
> Kathy do something then have Karmen say later that she did it.  It would 
> probably help to keep index cards, but I am far to lazy.  My best 
> writing comes off the cuff.
> 

Folding is one thing that I'm missing in lyx but emacs can do that in latex
(including good searching), vim can probably do it also. There is a folding
mode for emacs that can do simple three level headers and text with folding
which might be enough for you.

> Honestly, Kword is good enough.  The biggest problem that I have is that 
> I am in the Netherlands and write in English.  I can't find a publisher 
> here that wants to print books in English and my Dutch isn't good enough 
> to translate.
> 
> I thought I could use the net and find a publisher in the U.S. but 
> that's not how it works.  Most publishers wont touch writers who don't 
> have an agent and agents wont touch writers that haven't published.
> 

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't help there. It's probably possible to publish at
least something online. There must be some way for publishers to find new
authors.

> Joe
> 
> 


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:48:40 -0500
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> > Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200
> > > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > >> Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office
> > >> fans.
> > >> 
> > >
> > > lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class to use.
> > > If you are doing something small (one or two pages) and atypical it
> > > might be faster to just use abiword.
> > >   
> > I've never heard of lyx.  Have to check it out.  Would you consider a 
> > 450 page book a big project?
> 
> It would be with Microsoft Word using Change Tracking. Infact I ahve
> seen a 100 page document being 2 years old with 1-2 changes a day being
> done to it... literally require a machine with the fastest processors
> and 4GB of memory (using WindowsXP) just to open it in under 10 minutes.
> 
> The document was the "production" scheduling system... and they wanted
> to keep track of what happened, without making it any different. So a
> genius MCP suggested Change-tracking.
> 
> One day it failed to open at all Word just crapped out on it. And Guess
> what, there were no backups as "long ago" it was too slow if opened from
> the S: network drive and was decided to put it on the C: network drive
> as everything was being backed-up on the network. Huh, C:\scheduling.doc
> wasn't on the backups.

Typical for windows (backing up/keeping track of changes/synchronizing is a
pain with windows)

it does sound like the job much better handled by a text document along with
cvs/svn.

BTW, lyx has change tracking in the 1.4 version.


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Re: icedove and NNTP

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
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> Debian Users,
> 
> Xfce4 and icedove are installed on a machine here.
> 
> In icedove, I added a news group account and subscribed 
> it to debian-user.  Still no messages appear in the inbox.
> 
> The group is available from the server via another 
> news reader.
> 
> Someone please mention what further steps are 
> needed to read debian-user in icedove.

Some newsreaders make you manually fetch new "headers".


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Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:45 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> >> Outside of high academia & the publishing industry, most people
> >> don't care how ugly their printed documents look.
> > I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits,
> > and government who'd contest this.
> 
> I said "most".  There are always exceptions.
> 
> > Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing arena.
> 
> They are publishers.
> 
> > Larger organizations typically have fairly detailed standards for
> > what documents have to look like, along with design departments,
> > document templates, and so forth.
> 
> And Word and OOo have templates.
> 

Which is where a person who know what s/he is doing makes word/OOo behave like
latex ;-)

And they still have a tendency to mess things up (you set up a style for
something that word decides to mess up the whole document).

> > Smaller organizations - at least smart ones - spend a lot of time
> > on making documents look good, because image and presentation
> > make a big difference.
> 
> DTP.  It's what made the Mac.
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Re: RCPT TO problem

2007-02-13 Thread Clive Menzies
On (13/02/07 20:46), Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> I am using sarge with Gnome and Evolution for emailing. I need to send
> an email to a bunch o people (more or less 40 addresses). I've defined a
> list in Evolution in order to accomplish this. But when I try to send
> the email I get the following message:
> 
> "Error while performing operation.
> 
> RCPT TO  failed: Requested action not taken:
> insufficient system storage."
> 
> The  correspond to one of the address in the list. It
> is not a problem with the address, but with the number of them in the
> "To:" field...
> 
> I will appreciate very much any help

What's the output of
$ df -h

It sounds as though there may be a space problem in /tmp or /var?

Regards

Clive

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Re: Very Basic Help Needed

2007-02-13 Thread Marty

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Jan Sneep:



I can't find "Samba" under the "Application" button as a program to run or
under the "Action" button as a known command to run?


Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a
user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs
to configure it, but they are not part of samba


I don't know if it's a "GUI program," but swat could be considered as a part of 
samba.


 and the don't do

anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf.


... and spending three days of reading the docs.


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RE: Using graphical environment

2007-02-13 Thread Kelly
It is not recognizing the data on the other drive.  It only sees the
swap space.  It is asking for the systemfile type.



Here is the output.

tester# mount
/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
tester# mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/temp4sol
/dev/hdb1 looks like swapspace - not mounted
mount: you must specify the filesystem type




tester:# cfdisk /dev/hdb <--- this gives me a fatal error --->  FATAL
ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial
cylinder.

Is it possible that Debian will not read the partitions?

Thanks for the help.  I am sending this back to the group also.

Kelly





>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Using graphical environment
> From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, February 13, 2007 4:11 pm
> To: Kelly D Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  debian users
> 
> 
> Kelly D Kennedy wrote:
> > Kent you are the greatest.  Worked like a charm.  All updates are over
> > the net now.
> >
> > I have another question I thought I would bounce off you if you do not
> > mind.  The server I am running this test environment on is an HP
> > Proliant DL140.  Dual Xeon 2.8 4 gig memory.  We have 7 of these in
> > total.  This is a test machine.  We currently use Solaris 9 and have
> > grown ever more frustrated with it.  What we did was swapped the
> > (old)boot drive to a slave position and put in a new hard drive for
> > this testing.  My question is can I access the old data on the old
> > drive with this system?  It would be much easier to copy directly.
> >   
> 
> (You might get more informed answers from the list rather than from me, 
> thus I'm routing this back to the list. Having said that ...)
> 
> You can almost certainly do what you're wanting to do.
> 
> You don't mention if your drives are IDE, SCSI, SATA, or what, so the 
> first thing to do is to see how your drive is being addressed. If you'll 
> run the "mount" command (or do one of three or four other methods), 
> you'll see where your current system is mounted; it'll look something 
> like this:
> 
> /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
> /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda7 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,noexec)
> /dev/hda8 on /home type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda9 on /usr/local type ext3 (rw)
> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
> 
> According to this output, my IDE hard drive is being addressed as 
> "/dev/hda" (with the partition numbers appended for each mounted partition).
> 
> A SCSI drive is more likely to be addressed as "/dev/sda". (I'm 
> unfamiliar with SATA drives or other more esoteric configurations, so 
> I'm not sure how they're addressed.)
> 
> Your slave drive will be addressed similarly. On a typical IDE system, 
> there are a maximum of four drives available, listed as hda, hdb, hdc, 
> and hdd. hda and hdb are master and slave on the primary IDE port, 
> whereas hdc and hdd are master and slave on the secondary IDE port.
> 
> So all you need to do is mount the proper drive.
> 
> You can create a "mount point" (a directory name where the mounted slave 
> drive will show up); something like:
> 
>   mkdir -p /mnt/Slowaris
> or
>   mkdir /home/kelly/rickety_old_Sun_OS
> 
> (You can see I don't much care for Solaris, either.)
> 
> Then mount the slave drive with a command like:
> 
>   mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/Slowaris
> 
> The "hdb3" portion will depend on how your drive is addressed by the 
> system, and by which partition you want to mount. You can probably use 
> "cfdisk /dev/hdb" to see the partitioning schemes on the hdb drive 
> (there are other methods as well).
> 
> Now you can access the files on the drive simply by 
> copying/moving/listing/etc the files in /mnt/Slowaris.
> 
> This is only a temporary mounting, which will remain mounted until the 
> next reboot (or manual unmount, or perhaps init level change, etc). If 
> you want it to be mounted at each boot, you'll have to add a line in 
> /etc/fstab.
> 
> Feel free to ask for clarifications, etc.
> 
> -- 
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> http://kentwest.blogspot.com 


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Re: X doesn't start [Was: KDE peculiarities and questions]

2007-02-13 Thread Ken Heard
Kent West wrote:

> I suspect your /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file is set to allow root only.
> or better yet, do as the file says and run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common"
> and change the setting that way.

I ran dpkg-reconfigure x11-common.  When the option to set allowed
users appeared, the option Console Users Only was highlighted; so I
assume that x11-common was already configured to that option.  In any
event I hit Ok.  Nice was set to 0; I changed it as you suggested, to -10.

I then shut the machine off and did a cold boot.  No change; problem
persists.

With respect to my other desktop's not being able to connect to the
network, I am starting another thread called "My Sarge box no longer
connects to the network".

You will recall however that the sudden inability to run
the xserver occurred on my Sarge desktop the same day (Feb 7) as it
occurred on my laptop.  So I will keep on this thread that particular
problem for both computers.  (For the time being I am using a third
desktop on which after that date I installed Etch RC1 as the only
operating system thereon.)

Sarge of course does not have X-common; so I ran dpkg-reconfigure
xfree86, which returned:

System startup links for /etc/init.d/xfree86-common already exist.
Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done.
Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done.

I am not sure whether that information is of any help.

Regards,

Ken Heard


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How to mount Solaris disk as slave? [Was: Using graphical environment]

2007-02-13 Thread Kent West

Kelly wrote:

It is not recognizing the data on the other drive.  It only sees the
swap space.  It is asking for the systemfile type.



Here is the output.

tester# mount
/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
tester# mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/temp4sol
/dev/hdb1 looks like swapspace - not mounted
mount: you must specify the filesystem type




tester:# cfdisk /dev/hdb <--- this gives me a fatal error --->  FATAL
ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial
cylinder.

Is it possible that Debian will not read the partitions?

  


It's probably of type "ufs". You might try "mount -t ufs /dev/hdb1 
/mnt/temp4sol" (although partition 1 probably is swap, in which case 
that won't work).


You'll need to find out which partition the data is on. I like cfdisk, 
but it's not as reliable as plain ol' fdisk. You might try "fdisk" instead.


You mentioned having seven machines. If the other six are still running 
Solaris 9, you can look in it's "/etc/vfstab" to see what partitions 
hold what.



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Re: X doesn't start [Was: KDE peculiarities and questions]

2007-02-13 Thread Kent West

Ken Heard wrote:

Kent West wrote:
  

I suspect your /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config file is set to allow root only.
or better yet, do as the file says and run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common"
and change the setting that way.



I ran dpkg-reconfigure x11-common.  When the option to set allowed
users appeared, the option Console Users Only was highlighted; so I
assume that x11-common was already configured to that option.  In any
event I hit Ok.  Nice was set to 0; I changed it as you suggested, to -10.

I then shut the machine off and did a cold boot.  No change; problem
persists.
  


I'd manually look in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to make sure it's right; 
sometimes the dpkg-reconfigure routine doesn't "take". The three legal 
options for that line, according to "man Xwrapper.config", are 
"rootonly", "console", and "anybody". For most situations, you'd want 
"console".



I logged in as my user and ran startx.  It returned three lines:

xauth: creating new authority file /home/ken/.serverauth.3110
/etc/X11/X is not executable
xinit: Server error 


What is the output of "ls -lh /etc/X11/X"?


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> ls -lh /etc/X11/X
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-04-28 12:11 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xorg


(Yours will likely be slightly different.)

Then, what is the output of "ls -lh /usr/bin/Xorg"?


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> ls -lh /usr/bin/Xorg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.6M 2007-02-03 17:30 /usr/bin/Xorg




You will recall however that the sudden inability to run
the xserver occurred on my Sarge desktop the same day (Feb 7) as it
occurred on my laptop.  So I will keep on this thread that particular
problem for both computers.

Sarge of course does not have X-common; so I ran dpkg-reconfigure
xfree86, which returned:

System startup links for /etc/init.d/xfree86-common already exist.
Setting up X server socket directory /tmp/.X11-unix...done.
Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...done.
  


This brings to recollection a vague memory; seems like a year or two ago 
there was a problem with permissions in one or more of the Debian 
branches. What do these files look like?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> ls -lha /tmp

drwxrwxrwt  2 root  root  1.0K 2007-02-08 10:22 .ICE-unix
drwxrwxrwt  2 root  root  1.0K 2007-02-08 10:21 .X11-unix


Also, what do the perms on your /tmp directory look like?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/westk:> ls -lhd /tmp
drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 4.0K 2007-02-13 17:18 /tmp


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Re: Very disturbing feature in icedove

2007-02-13 Thread Daniel D Jones
On Saturday 10 February 2007 10:10, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:30:33PM +, Virgo Pärna wrote:
> > To make Thunderbird/Icedove to really delete those messages you can
> > use File, Compact Folders and you can specify configuration option
> > "Compact folders when it will save over XXX kB" (you can also specify
> > specific amount of disk space).
>
> Oh, I see.  "Compact" means "really delete the messages that I said to
> delete, but are actually just marked as deleted, not physically deleted".
> How incredibly obvious.

Do a Google search of "compact database" and see how many hits you get.  (I 
get about 28 million.)  It's a perfectly common term.  Follow a few of those 
links and read what you find.  Marking records with a deleted tag and not 
actually deleting them until you compact the database is standard database 
behavior.  It's been around for some twenty five years or so.

The behavior you find so appalling is standard behavior among modern, 
database- type MUAs.  Yes, Outlook does it.  So does KMail.  So does 
Evolution.  They all have a "Trash" folder.  When you delete an email, it 
gets moved into the "Trash" folder.  They can all be configured to handle the 
trash in different ways.  It can sit there until you manually deleted.  It 
can sit until it's been there for a user specified length of time.  Trash can 
be emptied upon exit, with or without a prompt.  There are all sorts of 
options and they're all under your control.  All you have to do is learn to 
use the program that you have on your computer.

> I think I'll side with the people who think this obscure use of the word
> "compact" is a bug in IceDove

As I pointed out above, it's neither obscure nor a bug.  It's standard 
terminology and behavior.

> (and just continue using mutt). 

Mutt is a perfectly fine email program.  Once you invest the time to learn how 
to use it.  Hmm, guess that's true about  a lot of programs, huh?



Re: Couldn't load XKB keymap... Can't switch to terminal mode

2007-02-13 Thread cga2000
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:10:04PM EST, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 03:12 -0500, cga2000 wrote:



> Well, I switched over to the nv driver, but no luck.  Nice idea, though.

Would that be the OSS nvidia driver? 

If so, I wouldn't be surprised if it had the same problem as the
proprietory nvidia one .. or vice-versa ..  But then I have an old ATI
mach64 with 8M of memory on this old laptop so I wouldn't know .. :-)

So maybe if you still have a little faith in my theory that there is an
outside chance your problems might be due to the card/driver having
become a dysfunctional couple after the upgrade.. I would suggest you
try the generic VESA driver ..

Not as a solution or even workaround, naturally .. just to try and help
identify the cause of the problem. 

But it does sound at this point that Florian's suspicion that this has
something to do with keymap handling after the upgrade is more relevant
to you problem ..  At least it would help account for the fact that the
keyboard action doesn't work and yet the chvt workaround does.

Thanks,
cga


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Apache2 and PHP5

2007-02-13 Thread Daniel D Jones
Running Debian unstable.  I got up this morning any my server had crashed.  
Haven't figured out why yet but that's another issue.  Upon rebooting, 
Apache2 failed to start with the following error:

Syntax error on line 115 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 
of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: API module structure `php5_module' in 
file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an 
Apache module DSO?


I found a LOT of hits with a Google search.  Evidently, the issue has to do 
with the version of Apache that PHP is compiled for.  I found bug reports 
that have been filed and closed.  I found arguments and recommendations on 
what args to use when compiling PHP5.  I found all sorts of questions and 
lots of information but not a lot of hard answers other than "recompile for 
the correct version of PHP."

I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling PHP5, libapache2-mod-php5, etc.  I've 
tried reinstalling Apache2.  The only way I can get Apache to start is to 
take out the link to php5 in /mods-enabled.  Doing that, of course, breaks 
any PHP scripts but at least the rest of my website loads.

I installed Wordpress last week and had no issue restarting Apache, so it 
appears that the current issue has been (re?)introduced by a recent update.  
Is anyone else seeing this issue?  Is there a known combination of Apache2 
and PHP5 packages that work together?  Is there a way to fix this without 
downloading the PHP5 source and mucking about with compiler options?

Any help or pointers greatly appreciated.


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