Re: Device: /dev/hda, ATA error count increased from 0 to 2

[Jacques Normand]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:40:01AM -0600, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
...
> Jan  2 07:38:13 reidster kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady 
> SeekComplete Error }
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { 
> UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=8152823, high=0, low=8152823, sector=8152822
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 
> 8152822
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: EXT3-fs error (device hda5): 
> ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=228624, block=458828
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: Remounting filesystem read-only
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady 
> SeekComplete Error }
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { 
> UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=8152823, high=0, low=8152823, sector=8152822
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 
> 8152822
> Jan  2 07:38:17 reidster kernel: EXT3-fs error (device hda5): 
> ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=228626, block=458828

You have an error on the same sector there (8152822), this sector is
probably bad.

> And smartctl -a /dev/hda reports:
...
> SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
> Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  
> WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
>   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   054   049   006Pre-fail  Always  
>  -   157409182
>   3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   096   096   000Pre-fail  Always  
>  -   0
>   4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   020Old_age   Always  
>  -   2
>   5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail  Always  
>  -   15
>   7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   081   060   030Pre-fail  Always  
>  -   153797081
>   9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032   083   083   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   15442
>  10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   097Pre-fail  Always  
>  -   0
>  12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   020Old_age   Always  
>  -   21
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   030   056   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   30
> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   054   049   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   157409182
> 197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   0
> 198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000Old_age   Offline 
>  -   0
> 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e   200   200   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   0
> 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x   100   253   000Old_age   Offline 
>  -   0
> 202 TA_Increase_Count   0x0032   100   253   000Old_age   Always  
>  -   0
> 
> I'm currently running a long self-test, and I'll re-post if the report
> then shows anything.
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated.

My guess. You had a few bad sectors; you rebooted, fsck was not happy a
wrote on those sectors ; the controller detected them and relocated them
(you have a relocated count of 15); everything is fine. 

The surface test will tell you (the long test) if there are still some
sectors unreadable. But most likely everything has been fixed. If a
sector is bad and the test failed, you can try to play with dd and force
a reloc of that sector but the chances of screw-up are pretty high. 

Anyway, you drive is at least 1.5year old (uptime about that time), and
bad sectors do happen. I would not panic since you have backups (because
you _do_ have backups) :-)

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
> Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.

Please refrain from replying to spams on-list, and
especially quoting context from them. This only serves to
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Re: SSH doesn't work with RSA keys

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 10:27:36PM -0300, Alejandro wrote:
> 1) What are the lines I should setup in
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config from the server side  Just
> *AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys* or what else
> ???

You shouldn't need to put anything. The sshd server in
Debian will assume a default value of
"%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" for "AuthorizedKeysFile" if it is
not defined.


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Re: No file /usr/include/gtk/gtk.h

[Jon Dowland]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:51:13AM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
> gcc -Wall -o file  file.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0`
> 
> sovled my problem but I don't figure out `pkg-config --cflags --libs 
> gtk+-2.0`:
snip
> there are a lot of options ...

Yep: what's the problem? If you are having trouble remembering the
precise compile command, stick it in a Makefile.

> and I wonder if libgtk-1.2-dev is useful ?

It isn't useful unless you want to build GTK #1 programs, which you
shouldn't these days.

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Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 22:49 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
>Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the 
> one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading 
> files (it's probably used in other places as well).
> 
>The dialog has two parts - left part has shortcut to user home dir, 
> desktop and filesystem, right side has list of files/directories.
> 
>it is not possible to just write in the file (like it is common with 
> other file open/save dialogs) which is VERY annoying, e.g. if I want to 
> open a text file using gvim I have to figure out where gvim is and click 
> all the way there, instead of just typing gvim (and assume it's in path).
> 
>is there any way to configure these? are these standard gnome file 
> open dialogs?
> 
>TIA,
> 
>   erik

Have you tried what happens if you start typing the filename in?

Those dialogs are a bit confusing indeed, but once you are used to them,
they are not so bad.

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Re: TCP wrapper and sendmail

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:05:05AM -0600, Amal Phadke wrote:
> I would like to reject mails from IPs without reverse DNS
> with "sendmail: ALL EXCEPT UNKNOWN" line in
> /etc/hosts.allow. (Mail originating from such IPs is
> almost exclusively spam).

A rule like "ALL EXCEPT UNKNOWN" will not permit connections
from bad-rdns hosts, but there's nothing that will stop them
afterwards. You need either sendmail: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny
or sendmail: PARANOID.

Debian did have "ALL: PARANOID" in /etc/hosts.deny for a
while, maybe this is what has changed for you?


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Re: gtk-gnutella problems

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Gerard Robin wrote:

> I am afraid I can't help you but I use gtk-gnutella
> 0.96.1svn12109-1 too (with unstable) and it works fine for me.

Hmm.. maybe it has something to do with the fact that I have a
firewall on a separate machine?

Anyway I filed a bug about this, and quickly received an answer
(by Christian Biere) to the effect that gtk-gnutella is hardly
maintained in Debian (or not at all; it seems to be completely
missing from Etch). He pointed me to detailed (but simple)
instructions for making a .deb file from (recent) source. This
worked very well, because the source file is already prepared for
Debian. See

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405462

With this version, when the "listen port" in "preferences" matches
the forwarded port in the firewall, gtk-gnutella reports that I am
not firewalled, as it should.

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Manual java alternative

[Marko Randjelovic]

I installed jdk1.6.0 in /opt by running sun's package 
"jdk-6-linux-amd64.bin". Now I need to update alternatives, but there 
are 64 of them and that would be to complicated. I made a file 
.jdk.jinfo in /usr/lib/jvm and tried to run update-java-alternatives, 
but it looks like it doesn't work.


Is there some way to easily switch to new java that is not installed 
with .deb? Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8, 
since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?


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Re: SSH doesn't work with RSA keys

[Sebastian Helms]

Hi,

* on Jan 03, 2007, Alejandro wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:50:40PM -0300, Alejandro wrote:
> >  
> >>People, I have generated the key pair RSA from my root linux's user and
> >>then I copy my RSA public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys from the
> >>linux ssh server. After that I edit the sshd_config file and put permit
> >>rootlogin no and the correct path to the authorized_keys file. But when
> >>I execute from the client "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]" it doesn't enter and the
> >>password banner is showed. Here I put my debugs from ssh client and
> >>server and my sshd_config file from the serverI REALLY THANKS YOUR
> >>COMMENTS !!!

Am I missing something - ?

You put "permit_rootlogin no" and try "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]" - how should
that work?

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Re: SSH doesn't work with RSA keys

[Sebastian Helms]

Hi again,

* on Jan 04, 2007, I wrote:
> * on Jan 03, 2007, Alejandro wrote:
> > >On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 05:50:40PM -0300, Alejandro wrote:
> > >  
> > >>People, I have generated the key pair RSA from my root linux's user and
> > >>then I copy my RSA public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys from the
> > >>linux ssh server. After that I edit the sshd_config file and put permit
> > >>rootlogin no and the correct path to the authorized_keys file. But when
> > >>I execute from the client "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]" it doesn't enter and the
> > >>password banner is showed. Here I put my debugs from ssh client and
> > >>server and my sshd_config file from the serverI REALLY THANKS YOUR
> > >>COMMENTS !!!
> 
> Am I missing something - ?
> 
> You put "permit_rootlogin no" and try "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]" - how should
> that work?

Sorry, I might have been a bit abbreviated ;)

If you disable root logins by configuring your sshd, every
authentication method must fail.

So, ssh may even correctly supply the correct public key, which sshd
can find in authorized_keys(2?). But as root is not allowed to login
via ssh, it fails nonetheless.

ssh has no way of knowing why the key failed, so it falls back to
the next auth method - keyboard_interactive or password.

If you try, ssh should not accept your valid root password but fail
again.

Have you tried with "permit_rootlogin yes"?

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Re: Manual java alternative

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 11:34:
> Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8,
> since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?

Look at here:
http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=sun-java5&details=details


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fglrx drivers: screen flickers

[Inko IA]

Hello!

I have a problem with the Ati fglrx drivers.
I have 3d acceleration, but when I go to console mode typing
ctrl+alt+f1 and return to graphic mode ctrl+alt+f7, or also when I log
out from session to start with another user (so I think it is when is
changing resolution), the screen starts flickering. The problem seems
to be something related with the refresh, because the screenshot
appears well.

Somewhere (some forums and rage3d ones) I read something about mtrr
problems. Mine seems to be OK:

cat /proc/mtrr

reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0x3ff0 (1023MB), size=   1MB: uncachable, count=1
reg02: base=0xc800 (3200MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1

typing "dmesg | grep error" there is not output, so it's OK.

this is my xorg.conf file:

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "glx"
Load  "record"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
Option  "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option  "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option  "DPMS" "true"
HorizSync 54.7
VertRefresh 60
ModeLine "1440x900" 96.2 1440 1504 1536 1760 900 903 906 912
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver  "fglrx"
#   Option   "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,AUTO"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Monitor"aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes "1440x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection


Anyone knows something about this issue? or a good URL to follow this
kind of problems, I'm without clues right now.

Also, the curious thing is that I installed just for try Suse 10.2,
and with "radeon" and "ati" free drivers was working fine, 3d
acceleration included. I tried the same with latest Debian, and I was
not getting 3D acceleration (but the screen doesn't flick). Typing...

LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo

I get this error:
libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r300_dri.so failed
(/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r300_dri.so: undefined symbol:
_glapi_add_dispatch)

So I'm confused.

Thanks!


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|| ATI Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB
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Re: Annoying beep!

[Chris]

On Thursday 04 January 2007 03:26, John O'Hagan wrote:
> On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:50, Colin wrote:
> > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > That got covered a while ago here.
> > > I think it is as much as rmmod pcspkr
> >
> > It would be better to blacklist pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d
>
> Agreed, except that as of 2.6.18, this does not work anymore (for me at
> least).
>
> Regards,
>
> John

Thanks, I found the thread after I had already posted.

I'll try:   echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local

I am also running a 2.6.18 kernel.

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Re: Annoying beep!

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> Chris wrote:
> >I'm have a testing/unstable system and am using KDE.  The system beeps 
> >from the PC speaker fairly regularly, although I haven't figured out if it 
> >occurs at a regular interval.  I've turned off all sounds in 
> >system-notifications in the Control center, and I know it is the PC 
> >speaker because I have turned off the external ones.
> >
> >This beep is annoying but I can't figure out what is causing it, it is 
> >similar to the error beep in Konsole.
> >
> >Here is a list of the processes that are running, maybe that helps.  The 
> >beeping seems to have started a few weeks ago.  The system never did it 
> >before

On 03.01.07 13:45, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> That got covered a while ago here.
> I think it is as much as rmmod pcspkr

i think we should better find the reason than removing ability to beep
completely...

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etherconf package not found in testing

[Justin Hartman]

Hi all

I'm trying to install etherconf via apt-get in testing. The package
however can not be found so I checked the testing packages net section
[0] only to find this package is not there. It is in the stable
version [1] however.

Anyone know what the substitute is for this package in testing?
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Re: RE: Update Your Account Information [Qurb #668742]

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

> Paul Bransford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Is this spam or a legitimate message?

On 04.01.07 07:29, Henrik Enberg wrote:
> It's not spam in the sense that it is an unsolicitated commercial
> message, but it is ceartanly spam in every other sense.  One can only
> hope that the list-master kicks the offender off the list.
> 
> Here's a good read about why challenge-response anti-spam systems blow.
> 

I forwarded the message to listmasters already

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Re: Manual java alternative

[Marko Randjelovic]

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 11:34:
  

Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8,
since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?



Look at here:
http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=sun-java5&details=details


Regards, Mathias

  

Thanks Mathias. I entered

deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5
deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5

in /etc/apt/sources.list

and tried to install packages, however apt-get reports

E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found

and same for fonts,jre and source. If I remove them all:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08* 
sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.5.0-08*

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-jdk
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but 
1.5.0-08-1.1 is to be installed or
 ia32-sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but it is 
not going to be installed

E: Broken packages

So, they don't have all needed packages, right?


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Re: Manual java alternative

[Marko Randjelovic]

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 11:34:
  

Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8,
since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?



Look at here:
http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=sun-java5&details=details


Regards, Mathias

  

Thanks Mathias. I entered

deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5
deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5

in /etc/apt/sources.list

and tried to install packages, however apt-get reports

E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found

and same for fonts,jre and source. If I remove them all:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08* 
sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.5.0-08*

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-jdk
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but 
1.5.0-08-1.1 is to be installed or
 ia32-sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but it is 
not going to be installed

E: Broken packages

So, they don't have all needed packages, right?



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Re: Manual java alternative

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 12:37:
> Mathias Brodala wrote:
>> Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 11:34:
>>  
>>> Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8,
>>> since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?
>>> 
>>
>> Look at here:
>> http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=sun-java5&details=details
>>
> Thanks Mathias. I entered
> 
> deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5
> deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5
> 
> in /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> and tried to install packages, however apt-get reports
> 
> E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found
> 
> and same for fonts,jre and source. If I remove them all:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08*
> sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.5.0-08*
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
> Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
> Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-jdk
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 1.5.0-10-1.1
> is to be installed
>  sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but
> 1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
>  sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 1.5.0-10-1.1
> is to be installed
>  sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but 1.5.0-08-1.1
> is to be installed or
>  ia32-sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but it is
> not going to be installed
> E: Broken packages
> 
> So, they don't have all needed packages, right?

They do[0], but you have to explicitely tell APT that it should install all
packages in a specific version. At the moment you forgot to tell APT that it
should install sun-java5-jre in version 1.5.0-08*, too.


Regards, Mathias

[0]
http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/16/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5-jre_1.5.0-08-1.1_all.deb

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Re: Manual java alternative

[Marko Randjelovic]

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 12:37:
  

Mathias Brodala wrote:


Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 11:34:
 
  

Or is there some Debian package for jdk6 or jdk-1.5.0_8,
since this newest 1.5.0_10 made me problems?



Look at here:
http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=sun-java5&details=details

  

Thanks Mathias. I entered

deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5
deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool sun-java5

in /etc/apt/sources.list

and tried to install packages, however apt-get reports

E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found

and same for fonts,jre and source. If I remove them all:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08*
sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.5.0-08*
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-jdk
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 sun-java5-bin: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 1.5.0-10-1.1
is to be installed
 sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but
1.5.0-10-1.1 is to be installed
 sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-08-1.1) but 1.5.0-10-1.1
is to be installed
 sun-java5-jre: Depends: sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but 1.5.0-08-1.1
is to be installed or
 ia32-sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-10-1.1) but it is
not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

So, they don't have all needed packages, right?



They do[0], but you have to explicitely tell APT that it should install all
packages in a specific version. At the moment you forgot to tell APT that it
should install sun-java5-jre in version 1.5.0-08*, too.


Regards, Mathias

[0]
http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/16/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5-jre_1.5.0-08-1.1_all.deb

  


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08* 
sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-doc=1.5.0-08* 
sun-java5-fonts=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.* sun-java5-jre=1.5.0-08* 
sun-java5-source=1.5.0-08*

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found

But you can download

http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/16/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5-doc_1.5.0-08-1.1_all.deb

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Re: Manual java alternative

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marko.

Marko Randjelovic, 04.01.2007 12:54:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get install sun-java5-bin=1.5.0-08*
> sun-java5-demo=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-doc=1.5.0-08*
> sun-java5-fonts=1.5.0-08* sun-java5-jdk=1.* sun-java5-jre=1.5.0-08*
> sun-java5-source=1.5.0-08*
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-bin
> Selected version 1.5.0-08-1.1 (snapshot.debian.net) for sun-java5-demo
> E: Version '1.5.0-08*' for 'sun-java5-doc' was not found
> 
> But you can download
> 
> http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/16/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5-doc_1.5.0-08-1.1_all.deb

Now you can try two more things:

1) Give the exact version number instead of the wildcard *.
2) Just download the packages and install them manually via dpkg.


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Re: etherconf package not found in testing

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:16:38PM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm trying to install etherconf via apt-get in testing. The package
> however can not be found so I checked the testing packages net section
> [0] only to find this package is not there. It is in the stable
> version [1] however.
> 
Please see the first two bug reports here:

http://bugs.debian.org/etherconf

> Anyone know what the substitute is for this package in testing?
> 
Not sure.

Regards,

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Re: Is it possible to use an usb hub in debian?

[kawanokami]

Thank you for your kind replies... I cannot be too picky over which
model to choose since I have only a number of stores close to home and
mail orders are usually quite expensive (spending 10€ over a 40€
purchase would be absurd if I can avoid it)... But my laptop has only
two usb2.0 ports (that are currently working without problems), so I'll
have to trust my luck :-) since I've not managed to find informations
(pro or against) linux compatibility of the model in question.
Again, thank you for your support,

Kawa

PS
I'll post soon the results of my purchase...

On 3 Gen, 15:10, "kawanokami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I want to buy an 7 Port USB2 Powered Hub HU-5770 (I've a laptop and
> need the added usb ports). Currently, I'm using debian testing/unstable
> on a 2.6.18 kernel and found no info about drivers or linux support on
> the Trust site. Is it a safe purchase or am I going to face problems?
> Thank you for your support,
>
> Kawa
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Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 22:49 -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
>Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the 
> one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading 
> files (it's probably used in other places as well).
> 
>The dialog has two parts - left part has shortcut to user home dir, 
> desktop and filesystem, right side has list of files/directories.
> 
>it is not possible to just write in the file (like it is common with 
> other file open/save dialogs) which is VERY annoying, e.g. if I want to 
> open a text file using gvim I have to figure out where gvim is and click 
> all the way there, instead of just typing gvim (and assume it's in path).
> 
>is there any way to configure these? are these standard gnome file 
> open dialogs?

Pressing Ctrl+L should give you an input field. This is enabled by
default in GTK+ 2.10.

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Re: fglrx drivers: screen flickers

[António Jorge Mota Vasconcelos]

Hello!

Try to remove the "Modeline" from your xorg.conf.

Or you could see if your laptop has a "problem" with ATI drivers...

Mine has... It's a HP NX7010 with a ATI Mobility 9200 (M9) and it didn't
work with ATI drivers after 8.18.xxx giving a refresh rate problem too. :(

Check this link:
http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide

Hugs,
Anthon.


On 1/4/07, Inko IA <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


Hello!

I have a problem with the Ati fglrx drivers.
I have 3d acceleration, but when I go to console mode typing
ctrl+alt+f1 and return to graphic mode ctrl+alt+f7, or also when I log
out from session to start with another user (so I think it is when is
changing resolution), the screen starts flickering. The problem seems
to be something related with the refresh, because the screenshot
appears well.

Somewhere (some forums and rage3d ones) I read something about mtrr
problems. Mine seems to be OK:
> cat /proc/mtrr
reg00: base=0x (   0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0x3ff0 (1023MB), size=   1MB: uncachable, count=1
reg02: base=0xc800 (3200MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1

typing "dmesg | grep error" there is not output, so it's OK.

this is my xorg.conf file:


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier " X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "glx"
Load  "record"
Load  "xtrap"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "type1"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
Option  "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option  "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
Option  "DPMS" "true"
HorizSync 54.7
VertRefresh 60
ModeLine "1440x900" 96.2 1440 1504 1536 1760 900 903 906 912
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Driver  "fglrx"
#   Option   "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,AUTO"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
Device "aticonfig-Device[0]"
Monitor"aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes "1440x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection



Anyone knows something about this issue? or a good URL to follow this
kind of problems, I'm without clues right now.

Also, the curious thing is that I installed just for try Suse 10.2,
and with "radeon" and "ati" free drivers was working fine, 3d
acceleration included. I tried the same with latest Debian, and I was
not getting 3D acceleration (but the screen doesn't flick). Typing...
>LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
I get this error:
libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r300_dri.so failed
(/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r300_dri.so: undefined symbol:
_glapi_add_dispatch)

So I'm confused.

Thanks!


SPECS:
Laptop: Toshiba Satellite M60 || Intel centrino 1'8 GHz || 1024 MB RAM
|| ATI Mobility Radeon X700 128 MB
OS: Debian 4.0 || Xorg 7.1.0-9 || Ati fglrx drivers 8.32.5


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Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

[Carl Fink]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 10:49:52PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
>   Not sure if it's standard gtk/gnome file open dialog, but it's the 
> one used to pick application when opening an attachement and downloading 
> files (it's probably used in other places as well).
> 
>   The dialog has two parts - left part has shortcut to user home dir, 
> desktop and filesystem, right side has list of files/directories.
> 
>   it is not possible to just write in the file (like it is common with 
> other file open/save dialogs) which is VERY annoying, e.g. if I want to 
> open a text file using gvim I have to figure out where gvim is and click 
> all the way there, instead of just typing gvim (and assume it's in path).
> 
>   is there any way to configure these? are these standard gnome file 
> open dialogs?

They're the standard GNOME dialogs, and you're absolutely right.  They fall
into the Microsoft Error:  cool-looking, terrible usability.  But apparently
GNOME is immune to user comments.

They are inferior (and this is embarassing) to the standard open dialog in
the Microsoft Foundation Classes.
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conky and enlightenment on etch

[Jakub Narojczyk]

Hi I have few questions about conky usage.

1) Does conky has some sort of maximum length of .conkyrc that it can 
parse? I have as much as 10 - 15 partitions but I cant display file 
system usage of all of them. Currently i display only 5 of them. When I 
try to add more image of displayed by conky get scrambled.


2) I want to use the $diskiograph but $diskio but I cant get it to 
distinguish between my two hard drives. ${diskio /dev/hda} and ${diskio 
/dev/hdb} display the same value. The same goes to $diskiograph. Does 
these variables return only average disk IO?


3) I set max width of conky window to 300px. when I try to maximize any 
other window to full screen it only maximizes to 
full_screen_width-300px. Conky window is set this way:


# Create own window instead of using desktop (required in nautilus)
own_window yes
# If own_window is yes, you may use type normal, desktop or override
own_window_type desktop
# Use pseudo transparency with own_window?
own_window_transparent yes

when I draw conky to root window with "own_window no" I can't get it to 
display on all desktops


My window manager is enlightenment e16.7

Thanks for any suggestions
Jakub Narojczyk


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Re: gtk-gnutella problems

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

Gerard Robin wrote:


I am afraid I can't help you but I use gtk-gnutella
0.96.1svn12109-1 too (with unstable) and it works fine for me.


Hmm.. maybe it has something to do with the fact that I have a
firewall on a separate machine?

Anyway I filed a bug about this, and quickly received an answer
(by Christian Biere) to the effect that gtk-gnutella is hardly
maintained in Debian (or not at all; it seems to be completely
missing from Etch). He pointed me to detailed (but simple)
instructions for making a .deb file from (recent) source. This
worked very well, because the source file is already prepared for
Debian. See

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405462

With this version, when the "listen port" in "preferences" matches
the forwarded port in the firewall, gtk-gnutella reports that I am
not firewalled, as it should.



Anybody have a firehol config entry for this?
I get an:
Cannot accept an empty 'dport'

I'm getting tired of Firehol and its mystery statements.

I tried:

...
server_gtk-gnutella_ports="tcp/43432"
client_gtk-gnutella_ports="default"
...
   server gtk-gnutella accept
...

Hugo




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Re: gtk-gnutella problems

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

Gerard Robin wrote:


I am afraid I can't help you but I use gtk-gnutella
0.96.1svn12109-1 too (with unstable) and it works fine for me.


Hmm.. maybe it has something to do with the fact that I have a
firewall on a separate machine?

Anyway I filed a bug about this, and quickly received an answer
(by Christian Biere) to the effect that gtk-gnutella is hardly
maintained in Debian (or not at all; it seems to be completely
missing from Etch). He pointed me to detailed (but simple)
instructions for making a .deb file from (recent) source. This
worked very well, because the source file is already prepared for
Debian. See

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405462

With this version, when the "listen port" in "preferences" matches
the forwarded port in the firewall, gtk-gnutella reports that I am
not firewalled, as it should.



Anybody have a firehol config entry for this?
I get an:
Cannot accept an empty 'dport'

I'm getting tired of Firehol and its mystery statements.

I tried:

...
server_gtk-gnutella_ports="tcp/43432"
client_gtk-gnutella_ports="default"
...
   server gtk-gnutella accept
...



I figured it out: gtk-gnutella cannot have a '-'.
Figures.

Hugo













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Re: gtk-gnutella problems

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

Gerard Robin wrote:


I am afraid I can't help you but I use gtk-gnutella
0.96.1svn12109-1 too (with unstable) and it works fine for me.


Hmm.. maybe it has something to do with the fact that I have a
firewall on a separate machine?

Anyway I filed a bug about this, and quickly received an answer
(by Christian Biere) to the effect that gtk-gnutella is hardly
maintained in Debian (or not at all; it seems to be completely
missing from Etch). He pointed me to detailed (but simple)
instructions for making a .deb file from (recent) source. This
worked very well, because the source file is already prepared for
Debian. See

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405462

With this version, when the "listen port" in "preferences" matches
the forwarded port in the firewall, gtk-gnutella reports that I am
not firewalled, as it should.



Anybody have a firehol config entry for this?
I get an:
Cannot accept an empty 'dport'

I'm getting tired of Firehol and its mystery statements.

I tried:

...
server_gtk-gnutella_ports="tcp/43432"
client_gtk-gnutella_ports="default"
...
   server gtk-gnutella accept
...



I figured it out: gtk-gnutella cannot have a '-'.
Figures.



So if another poor Firehol soul is looking for gtk-gnutella parms, this 
works:


...
server_gtkgnutella_ports="tcp/43432 udp/43432"
client_gtkgnutella_ports="default"
...
server gtkgnutella accept
...

Note the absence of the '-' in 'gtkgnutella'. You put that back in and 
he complains of a missing dport.


And now gtk-gnutella shows a happy face where previously the firewalls 
were burning.


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Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Kumar Appaiah]

Dear Debian users,

A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could
be happening? I could not pin down anything in particular which could
cause this to happen.

Thanks.

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Re: Unable to Unmount Flash Drive

[Jon Dowland]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 08:56:25PM +, Volker Braun
wrote:
> This will show all programs that have files open under any
> directory:
> 
> /usr/sbin/lsof | grep 

Just a quick note, /usr/sbin/lsof +D  might be
quicker.

> PS: Please avoid excessive crossposting.

Agreed. I've paired it down to just debian-user, as I can't
see what this has to do with laptops.
 

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Re: Manual java alternative

[Marko Randjelovic]

Now you can try two more things:

1) Give the exact version number instead of the wildcard *.
2) Just download the packages and install them manually via dpkg.


Regards, Mathias
  

Thanks, now I can start Eclipse (solution 2).
Yet, I would like to use new Java 6. I was monitoring memory usage and 
found out it is much more conserving. Does someone have some idea about 
this?



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emacs, UTF-8, japanese -- how?

[hendrik]

I'm using emacs (GNU Emacs 21.4.1 (i386-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d 
scroll bars) of 2005-03-17 on trouble, modified by Debian)
on a sarge system.  The default locale is en.CA.UTF-8.  I've recently 
found out how to edit Japanese (meta-X set-input-methis and choose 
"japanese") but I am unable to get it to save the edited file as UTF-8.  
It offers to save in (IIRC) euc-jp coding,  which is *not* UTF-8 
(I've looked at the octal dump to make sure).

Does anyone know how to get it to use UTF-8?  Do I have to upgrade to a 
post-sarge version of emacs?

Hmmm.  my etch AMD-64 system also says it uses emacs 21.4.1 Has 
emacs become static?  Do I need a post-etch emacs?

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Re: Open (helper application chooser) for iceweasel/icedove is too simple

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 07:26 -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> They're the standard GNOME dialogs, and you're absolutely right.  They fall
> into the Microsoft Error:  cool-looking, terrible usability.  But apparently
> GNOME is immune to user comments.
> 
> They are inferior (and this is embarassing) to the standard open dialog in
> the Microsoft Foundation Classes.

I very much disagree.

There were tons of whining about adding the input field by default, but
no one stepped up and did the job until one of the GNOME developers did
it himself.

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Re: conky and enlightenment on etch

[Jochen Schulz]

Jakub Narojczyk:
> 
> 1) Does conky has some sort of maximum length of .conkyrc that it can 
> parse? I have as much as 10 - 15 partitions but I cant display file 
> system usage of all of them. Currently i display only 5 of them. When I 
> try to add more image of displayed by conky get scrambled.

Appears to be a bug. Did you already look into the BTS?

> 2) I want to use the $diskiograph but $diskio but I cant get it to 
> distinguish between my two hard drives. ${diskio /dev/hda} and ${diskio 
> /dev/hdb} display the same value. The same goes to $diskiograph. Does 
> these variables return only average disk IO?

See above.

> 3) I set max width of conky window to 300px. when I try to maximize any 
> other window to full screen it only maximizes to 
> full_screen_width-300px.

This is probably due to you setting "own_window_type" to "desktop". Try
"normal" instead.

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Re: emacs, UTF-8, japanese -- how?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 09:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hmmm.  my etch AMD-64 system also says it uses emacs 21.4.1 Has 
> emacs become static?  Do I need a post-etch emacs?

Try the emacs-snapshot packages. I'm not sure if they are in etch or
only in unstable.

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Re: fglrx drivers: screen flickers

[Hal]

Inko IA wrote:

[...]


Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection


I also had a problem with dri...
I solved typing this before "Section "DRI"

Section "Extensions"
Option"Composite" "Disable"
EndSection

bye,
Hal


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Re: webbased SSH server/client

[celejar]

On 1/2/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi List,

I'm looking for a ssh client that runs on a webserver. Something I can
connect to using a regular web browser and then connect to a ssh server
from that server (Instead of the connection originating from the client)

Trying to circumvent a firewall that only let's out port 80 and 443 AND
proxied.

I've browsed sourceforge and googled on it, but i'm only able to find
java based clients, but they all start the ssh connection straight from
the client instead of the server.

Do you guys perhaps have a suggestion?

Thanks,
Mark


Here's a great list [0].

Celejar

[0] http://anyterm.org/compared.html


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Re: webbased SSH server/client

[Michael Ott]

Hi!

> >I'm looking for a ssh client that runs on a webserver. Something I can
> >connect to using a regular web browser and then connect to a ssh server
> >from that server (Instead of the connection originating from the client)
> >
> >Trying to circumvent a firewall that only let's out port 80 and 443 AND
> >proxied.
> >
> >I've browsed sourceforge and googled on it, but i'm only able to find
> >java based clients, but they all start the ssh connection straight from
> >the client instead of the server.
> >
> >Do you guys perhaps have a suggestion?
In the last Linux Magazine (GB) there is an article about that. Works
with ajax

CU
 
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Re: TCP wrapper and sendmail

[Amal Phadke]

Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:05:05AM -0600, Amal Phadke wrote:
>> I would like to reject mails from IPs without reverse DNS
>> with "sendmail: ALL EXCEPT UNKNOWN" line in
>> /etc/hosts.allow. (Mail originating from such IPs is
>> almost exclusively spam).
> 
> A rule like "ALL EXCEPT UNKNOWN" will not permit connections
> from bad-rdns hosts, but there's nothing that will stop them
> afterwards. You need either sendmail: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny
> or sendmail: PARANOID.
> 
> Debian did have "ALL: PARANOID" in /etc/hosts.deny for a
> while, maybe this is what has changed for you?
> 
> 

Thanks for your reply. The problem seems to be deeper than that. Even if
I say "sendmail: ALL : DENY" in /etc/hosts.allow, sendmail still accepts
connection from any host. I know there is no problem with tcpwrappers
since it controls ssh connections properly as stated in the hosts.allow
file. But with sendmail, it is as if it completely ignores hosts.allow
directives even though "sendmail -d0.1" tells me that tcpwrapper support
is compiled in. I am at lost to figure out why.

Thanks,


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Re: Installation fails on Toshiba 410CDT

[celejar]

On 1/2/07, Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]


BTW I looked into DSL. Thanks for the URL, but if I can, I'd rather
stick to vanilla Debian.

Cheers.

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Also see grml [0], which is closer to vanilla Debian.

Celejar

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Re: emacs, UTF-8, japanese -- how?

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 09:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hmmm.  my etch AMD-64 system also says it uses emacs 21.4.1 Has 
> > emacs become static?  Do I need a post-etch emacs?
> 
> Try the emacs-snapshot packages. I'm not sure if they are in etch or
> only in unstable.

It's in unstable.  That's not a big problem on the etch machine, but 
not a lot of use on sarge (I've been unsuccessfully trying to upgrade 
that machine to etch for several months now.)

But I've found a sarge emacs-snapshot backport on 
http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060519.185655.e5e376b3.en.html.
I wouldn't have known to look for emacs-snapshot without your reply.  
Thanks.

-- hendrik

> 
> -- 
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IP Address networking - best way?

[Justin Hartman]

A very newbie question and one that I hope you guys can shed some light on.

I currently have a server with an IP range of 70.87.206.50/4 and I
need to configure the server to see all 5 IP addresses.

Currently my /etc/network/interfaces is configured as:

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
   address 70.87.206.50
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   gateway 70.87.206.49

I thought that adding the following would allow me to assign and use
the other IPs on the server:

auto eth0:0
iface eth0:0 inet static
   address 70.87.206.51
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   gateway 70.87.206.49

Turns out that after an "/etc/init.d/networking restart" all that
happened was I killed networking and can't access the server at all.

My hosting providers are removing my addition to the file but I now
have no idea how to allocate these other IPs to the server. Help!
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unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[hendrik]

While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?

Yesterday aptitude reported
  Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
previous-day netinstall daily build.

The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
hope that will help?  I'm reluctant to do this without some idea just 
what role this file plays in aptitude.  It doesn't seem to be the 
downloaded, consolidated list of available packages, since updating has 
no effect on it.

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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:45:29AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?

I doubt it. you may have to use apt-get to install a fix but you
shouldn't have to reinstall.

> 
> Yesterday aptitude reported
>   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> previous-day netinstall daily build.
> 
> The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> hope that will help?  I'm reluctant to do this without some idea just 
> what role this file plays in aptitude.  It doesn't seem to be the 
> downloaded, consolidated list of available packages, since updating has 
> no effect on it.


might as well try renaming the files, or hiding them all together and
see what happens. I can't see that it will hurt, and you can always
move them back. 

A


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:34:13PM +0530, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> Dear Debian users,
> 
> A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
> of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
> Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
> of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could
> be happening? I could not pin down anything in particular which could
> cause this to happen.

maybe its a memory issue? My understanding is that the etch kernel is
much bigger than the sarge kernel. that is entirely anecdotal as I
have no sarge box to compare to.

A


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Re: SSH doesn't work with RSA keys

[michael]

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:50:40 -0300, Alejandro wrote
> People, I have generated the key pair RSA from my root linux's user and
> then I copy my RSA public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys from the
> linux ssh server. After that I edit the sshd_config file and put permit
> rootlogin no and the correct path to the authorized_keys file. But when
> I execute from the client "ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]" it doesn't enter and the
> password banner is showed. Here I put my debugs from ssh client and
> server and my sshd_config file from the serverI REALLY THANKS 
> YOUR COMMENTS !!!

Try changing permitrootlogin to say "without-password".
This will block ssh root logins, but allow it only if your
using keys with it. (doesn't matter if keys have password or not)

Permissions and ownership of your .ssh folder matter too.
If it gets changed to something other than the default set when
its first created, then it will break the key based ssh login.
You can simply delete it, and attempt an ssh connection to somewhere
so it re-creates it with proper permissions.


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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 10:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> 
> Yesterday aptitude reported
>   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> previous-day netinstall daily build.
> 
> The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> hope that will help?  I'm reluctant to do this without some idea just 
> what role this file plays in aptitude.  It doesn't seem to be the 
> downloaded, consolidated list of available packages, since updating has 
> no effect on it.

AFAIK, that file keeps track of what packages were installed to satisfy
depends. Replacing the broken file with the backup copy should solve
your problem, but you might lose track of a few automatically installed
packages. No big deal really, and not something I think should warrant a
reinstall.

See also, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg01047.html

As for your bug, 405506, I wouldn't hope for a quick fix. I'm guessing
something went wrong with the filesystem when you had to reboot and the
file got corrupted. Not the first time this have happened, but hopefully
aptitude will be able to handle this gracefully in the future. See bug
400962 about that.

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Kumar Appaiah]

On 04/01/07, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

maybe its a memory issue? My understanding is that the etch kernel is
much bigger than the sarge kernel. that is entirely anecdotal as I
have no sarge box to compare to.


Do you think I should suggest compiling a new kernel, lean? Of course,
I thought the stock kernel Debian provides were modular anyway, but if
you think this'd help, I'll try it out.

Thanks.

Kumar
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Re: IP Address networking - best way?

[Larry Irwin]

On Thursday, January 04, 2007 Justin Hartman wrote:

Currently my /etc/network/interfaces is configured as:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
   address 70.87.206.50
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   gateway 70.87.206.49
I thought that adding the following would allow me to assign and use
the other IPs on the server:
auto eth0:0
iface eth0:0 inet static
   address 70.87.206.51
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   gateway 70.87.206.49
Turns out that after an "/etc/init.d/networking restart" all that
happened was I killed networking and can't access the server at all.


You defined the base address as 70.87.206.50.
Then re-defined the base adddress (that's what the ":0" means) to be 
70.87.206.51...

Which isn't a valid thing to do...
Remove the original entry and replace it with the following:
#Base address
auto eth0:0
iface eth0:0 inet static
  address 70.87.206.50
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #1
auto eth0:1
iface eth0:1 inet static
  address 70.87.206.51
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #2
auto eth0:2
iface eth0:2 inet static
  address 70.87.206.52
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #3
auto eth0:3
iface eth0:3 inet static
  address 70.87.206.53
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #4
auto eth0:4
iface eth0:4 inet static
  address 70.87.206.54
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49

Don;t know why you need to put all of them on a single interface...
But that should work.
Later,
Larry Irwin


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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Douglas Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
> > Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.
> 

It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
(presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
only?

Doug.


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Re: IP Address networking - best way?

[Larry Irwin]

Forget my last email... too quick on the keyboard...
The "auto" declaration is for physical interfaces only...
It should have looked like this when you were done:

#Physical interface
auto eth0
#Base address
iface eth0 inet static
  address 70.87.206.50
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #1
iface eth0:0 inet static
  address 70.87.206.51
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #2
iface eth0:1 inet static
  address 70.87.206.52
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #3
iface eth0:2 inet static
  address 70.87.206.53
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49
#Alias adress #4
iface eth0:3 inet static
  address 70.87.206.54
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 70.87.206.49


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:56:25PM +0530, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On 04/01/07, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >maybe its a memory issue? My understanding is that the etch kernel is
> >much bigger than the sarge kernel. that is entirely anecdotal as I
> >have no sarge box to compare to.
> 
> Do you think I should suggest compiling a new kernel, lean? Of course,
> I thought the stock kernel Debian provides were modular anyway, but if
> you think this'd help, I'll try it out.


maybe you should investigate the a bit first. maybe put up memory/swap
monitors on the desktop so you can see whether its swapping or
not. that might help. that was just a suggestion. There could be other
things causing the problem. I think etch uns more service by default,
do you need all of them? etc. etc. etc. 

but yes, if it comes down to a kernel size issue, then recompiling may
help. 

A

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kumar
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> Chennai - 600036
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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[Joey Hess]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> 
> Yesterday aptitude reported
>   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> previous-day netinstall daily build.
> 
> The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.

In the bug report, you say:

| tried startx, got the black screen of death -- completely unresponsive
| to mouse or keyboard.

Hard rebooting a wedged system can result in corrupted files in rare
cases, and it sounds like this is what you have. The pkgstates file is a
plain text file. The chances of this being an aptitude bug seem very
near to zero. Unless you or someone else can reproduce the bug (either
the hang starting X or the file system corruption), it's certianly not
grave severity.

> There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> hope that will help?

Depends, is it also full of binary garbage? Have you checked the rest of
your files BTW?

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jfs trouble? Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:20:55PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 10:45 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> > idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> > 
> > Yesterday aptitude reported
> >   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> > This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> > previous-day netinstall daily build.
> > 
> > The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> > There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> > directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> > hope that will help?  I'm reluctant to do this without some idea just 
> > what role this file plays in aptitude.  It doesn't seem to be the 
> > downloaded, consolidated list of available packages, since updating has 
> > no effect on it.
> 
> AFAIK, that file keeps track of what packages were installed to satisfy
> depends. Replacing the broken file with the backup copy should solve
> your problem, but you might lose track of a few automatically installed
> packages. No big deal really, and not something I think should warrant a
> reinstall.
> 
> See also, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg01047.html
> 
> As for your bug, 405506, I wouldn't hope for a quick fix. I'm guessing
> something went wrong with the filesystem when you had to reboot and the
> file got corrupted. Not the first time this have happened, but hopefully
> aptitude will be able to handle this gracefully in the future. See bug
> 400962 about that.

This is the first time I've tried jfs, after hearing wonderful stories 
about it on this mailing list.  This was one of the things it was 
speciically supposed *not* to do, although both ext3 and reiser both 
occasionally screwed up on file-system integrity.

Do you suppose using jfs was a mistake?  SHould I go back to ext3?

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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:04:43AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:45:29AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> > idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> 
> I doubt it. you may have to use apt-get to install a fix but you
> shouldn't have to reinstall.
> 
> > 
> > Yesterday aptitude reported
> >   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> > This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> > previous-day netinstall daily build.
> > 
> > The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> > There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> > directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> > hope that will help?  I'm reluctant to do this without some idea just 
> > what role this file plays in aptitude.  It doesn't seem to be the 
> > downloaded, consolidated list of available packages, since updating has 
> > no effect on it.
> 
> 
> might as well try renaming the files, or hiding them all together and
> see what happens. I can't see that it will hurt, and you can always
> move them back. 

I've been told it's the file that tells aptitude which packages were 
installed as dependencies.

Considering that *both* these files are binary gibberish, and that 
pkgstates is a text file in all my other Debian systems (both sarge and 
etch) I'm starting to think that both of them are badly damaged, 
and there's no point trying.

Removing them altogether and hoping aptitude can recreate them might be 
a possibility.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:30, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
> > > Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.
>
> It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
> (presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
> just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
> a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
> only?
>
> Doug.

That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
computer.

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Marko Randjelovic]

Kumar Appaiah wrote:

Dear Debian users,

A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could
be happening? I could not pin down anything in particular which could
cause this to happen.

Thanks.

Kumar
I think it is memory issue. Programs generally are using more memory 
with new releases. Use 'free' command to see your memory situation. 
'top' can tell you which processes are consuming most memory. You can 
use also System Monitor with gnome or KDE System Guard but they use more 
guess what: memory. :)



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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Douglas Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 12:09:19PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:30, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:32:01AM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:06:54PM +, Gary Roach wrote:
> > > > Check out a couple of not so on topic entries.
> >
> > It seems to me that much of this spam includes graphic images
> > (presumably that contain ads but I don't open them).  Could the list
> > just block any posts containing graphic images?  I suppose there may be
> > a need for a legitimate post of an image so why not specify .ps files
> > only?
> >
> > Doug.
> 
> That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
> Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
> might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
> computer.
> 

Except that I've never seen a spam with a ps file and one can turn a jpg
into ps before posting it.

Since the spam doesn't seem to be targeted specifically to *N*X system
users, it may be safe to think that their targeted audience mostly is
running *doze.  Sind *doze people can't handle .ps files easily there's
less incentive for the spammers to send .ps files.

So the list filter could drop any messages containing parts other than
text/html, .ps, and .gz files.  

The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
days?).

Doug.

 


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 18:11 +0100, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> I think it is memory issue. Programs generally are using more memory 
> with new releases. Use 'free' command to see your memory situation. 
> 'top' can tell you which processes are consuming most memory. You can 
> use also System Monitor with gnome or KDE System Guard but they use more 
> guess what: memory. :)

At least for GNOME, quite a lot of work has been done to lower memory
usage. 

I can't remember how much of this was in the 2.14 release Etch uses, but
it would be fun to know the difference in memory use between the Sarge
and Etch default desktop. 

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[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> 
> The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
> starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
> Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
> days?).

but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:49:39AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> > idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> > 
> > Yesterday aptitude reported
> >   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> > This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> > previous-day netinstall daily build.
> > 
> > The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> 
> In the bug report, you say:
> 
> | tried startx, got the black screen of death -- completely unresponsive
> | to mouse or keyboard.
> 
> Hard rebooting a wedged system can result in corrupted files in rare
> cases, and it sounds like this is what you have. The pkgstates file is a
> plain text file. The chances of this being an aptitude bug seem very
> near to zero. Unless you or someone else can reproduce the bug (either
> the hang starting X or the file system corruption), it's certianly not
> grave severity.

It is starting to look as if it was a problem with jfs, which, I was 
told, was specifically engineered to prevent this kind of trouble.
Certainly, if it was an aptitude bug, it would have been grave.  But 
since aptitude seems not to blame, I think we should consider it solved 
for aptitude.  Perhaps it should be referred to jfs?  I'll leave the 
decision up to you.  I don't think there are enough specifics that this 
bug would help the jfs maintainers to find the problem, so there may be 
no point.
 
> 
> > There's also a pkgstates.old file, about one minute older, in the same 
> > directory.  Should I try replacing pkgstates by pkgstates.old in the 
> > hope that will help?
> 
> Depends, is it also full of binary garbage? Have you checked the rest of
> your files BTW?

Both of them are binary garbage; it probably won't help.  No idea what's 
happened to the rest of the file system Since I only installed it 
yesterday morning, and nothing much had been done with it, perhaps 
reinstalling is the safe thing.

I had used jfs as file system because reports on this mailing list 
indicated that it was more resistant to this kind of thing than either 
ext3 or reiser.  But I've never had problems of this sort with either of 
them, and had problems with jfs the first day I used it, so maybe in 
the reinstall I should go back to reiser of ext3.

Thanks.

-- hendrik

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problem with dhcp and a special feedback...

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

hello,

with debian (i tried the latest net-install) - but also with a lot of 
other distros - i have a special problem: i can't get a dhcp-connection.

only with zenwalk there is (latest version 4) not the slightest problem.

i asked - very generally - them, what the differences could be that made 
the differences.

i got the following answers (copy of mail, my question is at the end):

begin citation:

Debian uses dhclient by default where Zenwalk (and Slack) use dhcpcd.
They seem to handle the dhcp protocol in a slightly different way (seems
there's yet another client - dhcdbd - out there needed for the Gnome
Network Manager that does it his way too).

B

Op donderdag 04-01-2007 om 00:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef
Jean-Philippe Guillemin:


> Hi,
> 
> I don't know Debian enough to tell you what's really different in 
> Zenwalk regarding DHCP.
> 
> The only thing I can tell you is a bit general : Zenwalk has a simple 
> design, inherited from Slackware, but more modern, and maybe even simpler.
> 
> The simplicity often make the difference between something that works, 
> and the rest ...
> 
> Cheers
> 
> JP
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

> > hello mr guillemin,
> >
> > its near a miracle: with your zenwalk-distro i have no problems with 
> > dhcp-connection.
> > only with opensuse (and there only with their second choice "ifup" and 
> > not with their networkmanager) i can get this experience too, but 
> > debian, several live-cds, belenix, bsd-distros... there is no 
> > connection at all.

> >
> > and zenwalk does it in a blinck of an eye.
> >
> > what do you do different to all the others? if it's no secret, please 
> > give me some information.
> > my laptop is a benq r55 joybook, i connect via ethernet to a 
> > cable-modem and through it to my provider (i live in austria).

> >
> > greetings
> > hans
> >
> >

> 
> 
> 
> ___

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end citation

could this information be of some help? i would like very much to have the next 
debian on my laptop!

greetings
hans

mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.

[Matt Miller]

Under etch I'm trying to use "dpkg -i" to install a .deb I built using
make-kpkg.  I'm passing "--initrd" to make-kpkg, since I'm booting
off a software RAID device.  I've done this before on this same
machine without a problem, but this one is giving me:

...
Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.
Failed to create initrd image.
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-xpc2-4-jan-2007 (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9

I'm trying to build a stripped-down kernel, without loadable module
support, so maybe I left something important out during
"make menuconfig."  The kernel seemed to compile fine, though.

How can I tell why mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image?


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Python2.4.4-1 examples usage?

[Ishwar Rattan]

I just updated to python2.4, it also installed a python-examples package.

How does one use this package? Import into python interpreter does not
work..

-ishwar


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Re: mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:35:02PM +0100, Matt Miller wrote:
> Under etch I'm trying to use "dpkg -i" to install a .deb I built using
> make-kpkg.  I'm passing "--initrd" to make-kpkg, since I'm booting
> off a software RAID device.  I've done this before on this same
> machine without a problem, but this one is giving me:
> 
> ...
> Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
> mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.
> Failed to create initrd image.
> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-xpc2-4-jan-2007 (--install):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
> 
> I'm trying to build a stripped-down kernel, without loadable module
> support, so maybe I left something important out during
> "make menuconfig."  The kernel seemed to compile fine, though.
> 
> How can I tell why mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image?

I've only just started to learn about this stuff my self, but two
things come to mind. there is an initrd support option in menuconfig
and what happens if you try to build the initrd manually with 

mkinitrd -o blah [version]

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[Stephen]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:14:33AM -0500 or thereabouts, celejar wrote:
> On 1/2/07, Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >BTW I looked into DSL. Thanks for the URL, but if I can, I'd rather
> >stick to vanilla Debian.

> Also see grml [0], which is closer to vanilla Debian.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> [0] http://grml.org/

Celejar, this looks excellent. Thanks !

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moving x fonts from old installation

[Paul Scott]

I have some X fonts on a partition from an old (sid) installation that I 
would like to move to this installation.  I have been Googling for a 
while without finding an answer.


TIA for any help.

Paul Scott


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[andy]

Marko Randjelovic wrote:

Kumar Appaiah wrote:

Dear Debian users,

A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could
be happening? I could not pin down anything in particular which could
cause this to happen.

Thanks.

Kumar
I think it is memory issue. Programs generally are using more memory 
with new releases. Use 'free' command to see your memory situation. 
'top' can tell you which processes are consuming most memory. You can 
use also System Monitor with gnome or KDE System Guard but they use 
more guess what: memory. :)



I am on a P4 machine with 1Gb of RAM and what surprises me, running Etch 
with a 2.6.18 kernel is that even with this setup, there are times when 
approx 10% of my swap space is being used. Memory seems to be cached 
readily, but released grudgingly, altho' to be fair, I am using a Gnome 
DE. This really only becomes a problem when playing a game like Oolite 
(basically because the game becomes so slow to respond on full screen) 
or when I am burning a recently converted video file to a DVD using 
growisofs (then the entire system freezes and I have to pull the mains 
on it and reboot).


I don't know if this is just my machine or a more general problem in 
Etch having only been using Etch for a few weeks now.



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Re: Unable to Unmount Flash Drive [Solved]

[Baz]

On 1/2/07, davide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Baz wrote:

> Hello -
>
> I'm getting the following error message every time I attempt to unmount
my
> USB flash drive.
>
> Error
>
> Cannot unmount volume
>
> The volume was probably mounted manually on the command line.
>
> Details
>
> Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL
>
> Contrary to the message, I didn't mount it manually on the command line.
>  It's been occurring now about a week.  Previously, there was no
problem.

try removing gnome-mount (if installed), it solved for me some weeks ago.


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Thanks.   I uninstalled gnome-mount last night.  So far, so good.

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gift-gnutella

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I have been using the gift package to connact to the gnutella and openft 
networks but I'm not connecting to the gnutella network on my current 
etch-amd64 box. Connecting to openft does work.

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Rick Thomas]

On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:34:13PM +0530, Kumar Appaiah wrote:

Dear Debian users,

A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from  
Sarge to

Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could
be happening? I could not pin down anything in particular which could
cause this to happen.


maybe its a memory issue? My understanding is that the etch kernel is
much bigger than the sarge kernel. that is entirely anecdotal as I
have no sarge box to compare to.

A


The standard etch kernel is already modularized as far as possible,  
so recompiling won't reduce its memory footprint by much if at all.


Also, the kernel is by far not the most egregious of the things that  
have increased memory footprint between sarge and etch.  Your time  
will be much better spent in figuring out how to eject many/most of  
the various "services" gnome gratuitously drags in.


Somebody else in this thread mentioned that the gnome folks are  
working on making it more small-memory friendly.  If that work hasn't  
made it into etch, it would be worth taking a look at for system  
tuning ideas.


On the other hand: RAM is cheap.  Unless your systems are limited by  
design constraints to their present small RAM, it might be worth a  
trip to the local computer store for a RAM upgrade.


Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[Douglas Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:09:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:49:39AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> > > idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> > > 
> > > Yesterday aptitude reported
> > >   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> > > This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> > > previous-day netinstall daily build.
> > > 
> > > The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> > 
> > In the bug report, you say:
> > 
> > | tried startx, got the black screen of death -- completely unresponsive
> > | to mouse or keyboard.
> > 
> > Hard rebooting a wedged system can result in corrupted files in rare
> > cases, and it sounds like this is what you have. The pkgstates file is a
> > plain text file. The chances of this being an aptitude bug seem very
> > near to zero. Unless you or someone else can reproduce the bug (either
> > the hang starting X or the file system corruption), it's certianly not
> > grave severity.
> 
> It is starting to look as if it was a problem with jfs, which, I was 
> told, was specifically engineered to prevent this kind of trouble.
> Certainly, if it was an aptitude bug, it would have been grave.  But 
> since aptitude seems not to blame, I think we should consider it solved 
> for aptitude.  Perhaps it should be referred to jfs?  I'll leave the 
> decision up to you.  I don't think there are enough specifics that this 
> bug would help the jfs maintainers to find the problem, so there may be 
> no point.
 
> I had used jfs as file system because reports on this mailing list 
> indicated that it was more resistant to this kind of thing than either 
> ext3 or reiser.  But I've never had problems of this sort with either of 
> them, and had problems with jfs the first day I used it, so maybe in 
> the reinstall I should go back to reiser of ext3.
> 
> 
Hi Hendrik,

I missed the start of this thread but I use JFS (and it may have been my
comments that prompted you to use it).

Was this file open or being used when the system crashed or lost power?
If so, I don't think there's any filesystem that can protect an
individual file in that case.  I wish there were.  The problem I had
with other filesystems is that after such a power loss, the filesystem
itself would be corrupted and I'd lose data during recovery.

Its also possible that whatever caused the system crash overwrote the
files' buffers which then got dutifully committed to disk.  This would
not be a problem with JFS itself.
 
I'm also a little leary of X.  Since by its nature it takes over one's
video hardware, if it crashes it can leave you with not console.  I tend
to leave a getty runing on a serial port for just such emergencies (grab
a computer or terminal, a serial null-modem cable and away you go).  

I'l be watching to see what other JFS issues appear from this.

Good luck,

Doug.


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:21:10PM +, andy wrote:
> Marko Randjelovic wrote:

> >I think it is memory issue. Programs generally are using more memory 
> >with new releases. Use 'free' command to see your memory situation. 
> >'top' can tell you which processes are consuming most memory. You can 
> >use also System Monitor with gnome or KDE System Guard but they use 
> >more guess what: memory. :)
> >
> >
> I am on a P4 machine with 1Gb of RAM and what surprises me, running Etch 
> with a 2.6.18 kernel is that even with this setup, there are times when 
> approx 10% of my swap space is being used. Memory seems to be cached 
> readily, but released grudgingly, altho' to be fair, I am using a Gnome 
> DE. This really only becomes a problem when playing a game like Oolite 
> (basically because the game becomes so slow to respond on full screen) 
> or when I am burning a recently converted video file to a DVD using 
> growisofs (then the entire system freezes and I have to pull the mains 
> on it and reboot).
> 
> I don't know if this is just my machine or a more general problem in 
> Etch having only been using Etch for a few weeks now.

I'm seeing some similar stuff in my one etch desktop -- always some of
the swap is being used. My specs are way lower than your's but I'm
using xfce. I don't see this behavior on my sid desktop, though it has
more memory and has a more stripped desktop which could be hiding
it. 

I've got a P4 with 256 megs and 256 megs of swap. I'm currently
showing 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers
 cached
Mem:248152 229800  18352  0   2324
 83880
-/+ buffers/cache: 143596 104556
Swap:   248996  91304 157692

with nothing on my desktop but two terminals -- 1 with mutt and one
with just the free command. 

I've got a couple things running -- mysqld and gdm -- that would add a
bit, but still it seems like a lot more swapping is going on than I'd
like. 

maybe I need to play with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Łukasz Andrzejak]

Hi,

On 1/4/07, Kumar Appaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could



I havent noticed any 'slow down' myself.
Sadly, you failed to say what window manager/de you are using on this box.
If its a DE, you could try something lighter, or as others have pointed out
- try to find the app thats hogging the memory.
Also - please note that slowing a machine down can mean lots of things, from
not enough ram, to more read/writes to disk and not enough cpu power.
Most of these things can be checked with the tools mentioned in this thread,
but im not exactly sure how to pinpoint a read/write culprit.
To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better top) and
xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint x-resource wise) to check
what takes the most resources.
Both are somewhere in the repo's (htops is a standalone package, not sure
about xrestop - its been ages since i installed it).
If your using a DE - maybe try using a simple windowmanager, and just
compare.
Ive found that most people acutally dont use half the features of KDE/GNOME
and something along the lines of fluxbox or fvwm is sufficient.

As a sidenote and personall preference - i always compile my own kernel with
make-kpkg and im rarely troubled by the kernel problems that my friends
mention.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Kent West]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
  

The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
days?).



but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

A
  

Ha HA-A-A-A!!! So true. :-)

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 07:21:10PM +, andy wrote:

Marko Randjelovic wrote:


I think it is memory issue. Programs generally are using more memory 
with new releases. Use 'free' command to see your memory situation. 
'top' can tell you which processes are consuming most memory. You can 
use also System Monitor with gnome or KDE System Guard but they use 
more guess what: memory. :)



I am on a P4 machine with 1Gb of RAM and what surprises me, running Etch 
with a 2.6.18 kernel is that even with this setup, there are times when 
approx 10% of my swap space is being used. Memory seems to be cached 
readily, but released grudgingly, altho' to be fair, I am using a Gnome 
DE. This really only becomes a problem when playing a game like Oolite 
(basically because the game becomes so slow to respond on full screen) 
or when I am burning a recently converted video file to a DVD using 
growisofs (then the entire system freezes and I have to pull the mains 
on it and reboot).


I don't know if this is just my machine or a more general problem in 
Etch having only been using Etch for a few weeks now.


I'm seeing some similar stuff in my one etch desktop -- always some of
the swap is being used. My specs are way lower than your's but I'm
using xfce. I don't see this behavior on my sid desktop, though it has
more memory and has a more stripped desktop which could be hiding
it. 


I've got a P4 with 256 megs and 256 megs of swap. I'm currently
showing 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers
 cached
Mem:248152 229800  18352  0   2324
 83880
-/+ buffers/cache: 143596 104556
Swap:   248996  91304 157692

with nothing on my desktop but two terminals -- 1 with mutt and one
with just the free command. 


I've got a couple things running -- mysqld and gdm -- that would add a
bit, but still it seems like a lot more swapping is going on than I'd
like. 


maybe I need to play with /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

A



I have an Athlon XP 2700+ with 1GB ram and 1GB swap:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   1036216 421728 614488  0   7820 204324
-/+ buffers/cache: 209584 826632
Swap:   976712  0 976712

I run the 2.6.17.14-ck1 kernel and no Gnome (fvwm2).
I *never* see swapping no matter what I do.

Hugo


















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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:16:11AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:05:39PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > 
> > The other thing I've noticed is that a new spam will have a subject
> > starting with Re: .  Could not the list filter verify that the subject
> > Re'd actually exists in the list archive within a set time frame (30
> > days?).
> 
> but then we'd miss all of Michele Konzack's mail! ;-)

That really would be a sad loss.

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> 
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[Ishwar Rattan]

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Mike McCarty]

Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:


That is not a solution. Spammers can always use .ps files to send their spam. 
Besides not every email containing a graphic image is spam. For example, one 
might be attaching a .jpg screenshot with a font problem he is having on his 
computer.


Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
such information separately off list.

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Re: etch: evolution + gmail

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 15:54 -0500, draeath wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 16:09 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > Are you running NetworkManager too?
> 
> I really don't know. I just installed using the business card ISO for
> etch (installer RC1) and I set up static networking using the
> curses-based installer. I didn't need to change anything once
> everything was installed, my network config stayed static.
> 
> If it helps, the network connection applet in Gnome doesn't detect any
> interfaces (but my user can run ifconfig)

Sounds like you're running NM. Try looking at the status for package
network-manager in Synaptic, or run dpkg -l network-manager from a
terminal and see if it's installed.

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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:25:34 -0600
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Mike,

> Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
> list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
> mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
> such information separately off list.

Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and post
a link to it in the relevant query message.

Obviously, the image should be pertinent to the query.   :-)

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[andy]

Łukasz Andrzejak wrote:

Hi,

On 1/4/07, *Kumar Appaiah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could 



I havent noticed any 'slow down' myself.
Sadly, you failed to say what window manager/de you are using on this box.
If its a DE, you could try something lighter, or as others have 
pointed out - try to find the app thats hogging the memory.
Also - please note that slowing a machine down can mean lots of 
things, from not enough ram, to more read/writes to disk and not 
enough cpu power.
Most of these things can be checked with the tools mentioned in this 
thread, but im not exactly sure how to pinpoint a read/write culprit.
To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better top) 
and xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint x-resource wise) 
to check what takes the most resources.
Both are somewhere in the repo's (htops is a standalone package, not 
sure about xrestop - its been ages since i installed it).
If your using a DE - maybe try using a simple windowmanager, and just 
compare.
Ive found that most people acutally dont use half the features of 
KDE/GNOME and something along the lines of fluxbox or fvwm is sufficient.


As a sidenote and personall preference - i always compile my own 
kernel with make-kpkg and im rarely troubled by the kernel problems 
that my friends mention.


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Thanks Lukasz - the reference to htop and xrestop was useful. I've 
installed them and will monitor them over time to discern a pattern.


I must put my hand up: I am running the vanilla Gnome DE and there are 
probably loads of services that I don't need and several I don't want. 
Ordinarily I would run XFce but wanted to play in Candy Land for a while 
with an all singing, all dancing, bells and whistles, bloated DE. Also, 
I got lazy and fed up with configuring the XFce menus on Etch in the way 
I used to use them on Slackware. Methinks I will need to beef up on 
Gnome and the services it runs by default, what they do, and how to turn 
them off or configure them. If anyone has any specific recommendations 
that would be useful, but in the meantime I'll rummage in the on-line 
Gnome help/info files.


As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be running 1GB 
of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is this typical rounding 
off and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is it typical for the full 
amount not to be shown? Seems like missing 250MB of RAM is a fair chunk 
to not show up. What gives?

Re: Clone root partition

[T]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:00:38 -0500, Marty wrote:

> For cloning root filesystem drives I use a small script that 
> performs an rsync backup followed up by fixups to the /dev directory, 
> /etc/fstab, and /etc/lilo.conf and then runs lilo -r to make the backup 
> bootable.  (A similar approach could be used for grub.)  The script runs in a 
> few minutes if I disable rsync checksumming.
> 
> Here is the entire script, which uses /dev/hda1 as my backup root drive:
> 
>   mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
>   time rsync -vxaHD --delete / /mnt/hda1/
>   rsync -xaHD --delete /dev/ /mnt/hda1/dev/
>   cp -a /etc/fstab.hda1 /mnt/hda1/etc/fstab
>   cp -a /etc/lilo.conf.hda1 /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf
>   rm -rf /mnt/hda1/dev/.udevdb
>   lilo -r /mnt/hda1
>   umount /dev/hda1
> 
> This script presumes that udev is installed.  For it to work, I have to 
> manually 
> maintain /etc/fstab.hda1 and /etc/lilo.conf.hda1.

Thanks Marty, your rsync switch is the most comprehensive one I've seen.

Just FYI, when cloning the root partition, there are directories that
don't need to copy over, like /tmp, /proc.  So you may want to add
--exclude switches to your script next time.

Further, with modern Linux that uses udev, like what you are using, the
/dev and /sys don't need to be copied either. You can --exclude them as
well.

Moreover, you may want to reconsider whether you want to clone
/var/cache/apt/archives next time.

The point is that I don't want to clone more than necessary. 
Does anyone know if there will be any side effects if I don't clone the
following directories?

/var/autofs
/var/backups
/var/cache
/var/chroot
/var/db
/var/games
/var/local
/var/lock
/var/log
/var/mail
/var/run
/var/spool
/var/state
/var/sys
/var/tmp

thanks

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Re: unable to parse package file; aptitude effectively dead.

[hendrik]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 02:52:53PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 01:09:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:49:39AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > While I'm waiting for someone to *fix* bug 405506, does anyone have an 
> > > > idea how to recover from it?  Is a reinstall in order?
> > > > 
> > > > Yesterday aptitude reported
> > > >   Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates
> > > > This happened on an etch that was just installed the same day from a 
> > > > previous-day netinstall daily build.
> > > > 
> > > > The file does exist, and appears to be binary gibberish.
> > > 
> > > In the bug report, you say:
> > > 
> > > | tried startx, got the black screen of death -- completely unresponsive
> > > | to mouse or keyboard.
> > > 
> > > Hard rebooting a wedged system can result in corrupted files in rare
> > > cases, and it sounds like this is what you have. The pkgstates file is a
> > > plain text file. The chances of this being an aptitude bug seem very
> > > near to zero. Unless you or someone else can reproduce the bug (either
> > > the hang starting X or the file system corruption), it's certianly not
> > > grave severity.
> > 
> > It is starting to look as if it was a problem with jfs, which, I was 
> > told, was specifically engineered to prevent this kind of trouble.
> > Certainly, if it was an aptitude bug, it would have been grave.  But 
> > since aptitude seems not to blame, I think we should consider it solved 
> > for aptitude.  Perhaps it should be referred to jfs?  I'll leave the 
> > decision up to you.  I don't think there are enough specifics that this 
> > bug would help the jfs maintainers to find the problem, so there may be 
> > no point.
>  
> > I had used jfs as file system because reports on this mailing list 
> > indicated that it was more resistant to this kind of thing than either 
> > ext3 or reiser.  But I've never had problems of this sort with either of 
> > them, and had problems with jfs the first day I used it, so maybe in 
> > the reinstall I should go back to reiser of ext3.
> > 
> > 
> Hi Hendrik,
> 
> I missed the start of this thread but I use JFS (and it may have been my
> comments that prompted you to use it).

It may indeed.

> 
> Was this file open or being used when the system crashed or lost power?

I suppose it's possible that I might have left the interactive aptitude 
running while I did the startx.  But it wasn't doing anything, and it 
would surprise me if aptitude left it open for writing.  Though I 
suppose jfs might haver delayed writing the buffers out after the close 
for reasons of its own.

> If so, I don't think there's any filesystem that can protect an
> individual file in that case.

Journalling is supposed to be able to protect data -- not that it 
necessarily protects everything that was written to the file, but that 
it can guarantee leaving the file in a consistent state.

>  I wish there were.  The problem I had
> with other filesystems is that after such a power loss, the filesystem
> itself would be corrupted and I'd lose data during recovery.
> 
> Its also possible that whatever caused the system crash overwrote the
> files' buffers which then got dutifully committed to disk.  This would
> not be a problem with JFS itself.

No.  But it could possibly be blamed on the monolithic design of the 
Linux kernel, which leaves it impractical to assign responsibility to a 
particular software package.   Not that that's likely to be fixed 
anytime soon.  Maybe I shoudl try hurd one of these years?  Is it 
different?

>  
> I'm also a little leary of X.  Since by its nature it takes over one's
leery
> video hardware, if it crashes it can leave you with not console.  I tend
> to leave a getty runing on a serial port for just such emergencies (grab
> a computer or terminal, a serial null-modem cable and away you go).  

One of the things they did right, though, was the client-server 
separation.  You can sometimes isolate bugs by running the client and 
the server on different machines.

> 
> I'l be watching to see what other JFS issues appear from this.

I suspect I'll be wiping the evidence soon, since I see no practical way 
of using it to identify the problem.  And reinstalling seems to be the 
easy solution.


> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Doug.
> 
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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:47:48 +
andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be running
> 1GB of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is this typical
> rounding off and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is it typical for
> the full amount not to be shown? Seems like missing 250MB of RAM is a
> fair chunk to not show up. What gives?

Does it show up at in the post messages? Shared video memory? What
about dmesg?

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Re: mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.

[Matt Miller]

> > Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
> > mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.
>
> there is an initrd support option in menuconfig

I think I selected the necessary options:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18$ grep -i ram .config
CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE=""
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_BLOCKSIZE=1024
# CONFIG_NVRAM is not set
CONFIG_RAMFS=y
# CONFIG_CRAMFS is not set

> what happens if you try to build the initrd manually with 
> 
> mkinitrd -o blah [version]

I don't have mkinitrd, but these all worked for various
kernel versions that are installed on the machine:

$ sudo mkinitramfs -o blah
$ sudo mkinitramfs -o blah 2.6.18-23-dec-2006
$ sudo mkinitramfs -o blah 2.6.18-3-amd6

I can't get this to work for the new kernel version I'm
trying to build, since make-kpkg blows before it creates
the /lib/modules/ directory.

I'm guessing that I'm missing something else in menuconfig.


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Łukasz Andrzejak]

On 1/4/07, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Łukasz Andrzejak wrote:

Hi,

On 1/4/07, Kumar Appaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
> of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
> Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
> of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could


I havent noticed any 'slow down' myself.
Sadly, you failed to say what window manager/de you are using on this box.
If its a DE, you could try something lighter, or as others have pointed
out - try to find the app thats hogging the memory.
Also - please note that slowing a machine down can mean lots of things,
from not enough ram, to more read/writes to disk and not enough cpu power.
Most of these things can be checked with the tools mentioned in this
thread, but im not exactly sure how to pinpoint a read/write culprit.
To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better top) and
xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint x-resource wise) to check
what takes the most resources.
Both are somewhere in the repo's (htops is a standalone package, not sure
about xrestop - its been ages since i installed it).
If your using a DE - maybe try using a simple windowmanager, and just
compare.
Ive found that most people acutally dont use half the features of
KDE/GNOME and something along the lines of fluxbox or fvwm is sufficient.

As a sidenote and personall preference - i always compile my own kernel
with make-kpkg and im rarely troubled by the kernel problems that my friends
mention.

 --
Pozdrawiam

Łukasz Andrzejak

Thanks Lukasz - the reference to htop and xrestop was useful. I've
installed them and will monitor them over time to discern a pattern.

I must put my hand up: I am running the vanilla Gnome DE and there are
probably loads of services that I don't need and several I don't want.
Ordinarily I would run XFce but wanted to play in Candy Land for a while
with an all singing, all dancing, bells and whistles, bloated DE. Also, I
got lazy and fed up with configuring the XFce menus on Etch in the way I
used to use them on Slackware. Methinks I will need to beef up on Gnome and
the services it runs by default, what they do, and how to turn them off or
configure them. If anyone has any specific recommendations that would be
useful, but in the meantime I'll rummage in the on-line Gnome help/info
files.

As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be running 1GB
of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is this typical rounding off
and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is it typical for the full amount not
to be shown? Seems like missing 250MB of RAM is a fair chunk to not show up.
What gives?



a fair chunk ? Thats exactly the amount i have. Total :D
Im running a amd XP2000 with 256 megs of ram with etch, along with a
2.6.19.1 kernel (i like to tinker) and im getting no slowdowns.
On the other hand - i often see swap, but thats what happens when you do
code that processess hundred-meg databases with php. I have a healthy 4 gigs
of it reserved (heck - with a 250gig drive, why not ?).

About the missing 250megs of ram...
Maybe you have an integrated card ?
Maybe you have ramdisks created on boot ? (its a debian kernel thing i think
- ive seen this before - compile your own kernel and it will go away, or
maybe add some boot params for the kernel).

The amount of physicall ram is inside proc/meminfo iirc, maybe youl get a
'true' read from there (and maybe thats where 'free' gets its info from and
its biased too, dunno).
Maybe check syslog/kern.log/dmesg ?

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Re: spambayes mail filter

[Stephen]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 03:24:59PM -0500 or thereabouts, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> 
> Is any one using spabayes under Linux? The web
> page only talks about Windoz+Outlook-Express?

Hi Ishwar:

I've been using it for a couple of years. Mind you with a simple
smarthost configuration, only. I'm happy with it.

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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

andy wrote:

Łukasz Andrzejak wrote:

Hi,

On 1/4/07, *Kumar Appaiah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could 



I havent noticed any 'slow down' myself.
Sadly, you failed to say what window manager/de you are using on this box.
If its a DE, you could try something lighter, or as others have 
pointed out - try to find the app thats hogging the memory.
Also - please note that slowing a machine down can mean lots of 
things, from not enough ram, to more read/writes to disk and not 
enough cpu power.
Most of these things can be checked with the tools mentioned in this 
thread, but im not exactly sure how to pinpoint a read/write culprit.
To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better top) 
and xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint x-resource wise) 
to check what takes the most resources.
Both are somewhere in the repo's (htops is a standalone package, not 
sure about xrestop - its been ages since i installed it).
If your using a DE - maybe try using a simple windowmanager, and just 
compare.
Ive found that most people acutally dont use half the features of 
KDE/GNOME and something along the lines of fluxbox or fvwm is sufficient.


As a sidenote and personall preference - i always compile my own 
kernel with make-kpkg and im rarely troubled by the kernel problems 
that my friends mention.


--
Pozdrawiam

Łukasz Andrzejak 
Thanks Lukasz - the reference to htop and xrestop was useful. I've 
installed them and will monitor them over time to discern a pattern.


I must put my hand up: I am running the vanilla Gnome DE and there are 
probably loads of services that I don't need and several I don't want. 
Ordinarily I would run XFce but wanted to play in Candy Land for a while 
with an all singing, all dancing, bells and whistles, bloated DE. Also, 
I got lazy and fed up with configuring the XFce menus on Etch in the way 
I used to use them on Slackware. Methinks I will need to beef up on 
Gnome and the services it runs by default, what they do, and how to turn 
them off or configure them. If anyone has any specific recommendations 
that would be useful, but in the meantime I'll rummage in the on-line 
Gnome help/info files.


As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be running 1GB 
of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is this typical rounding 
off and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is it typical for the full 
amount not to be shown? Seems like missing 250MB of RAM is a fair chunk 
to not show up. What gives?





Your kernel config is off: for 1GB:

...
CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_3G is not set
CONFIG_VMSPLIT_3G_OPT=y
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G is not set
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_1G is not set
...


Hugo







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Re: MODERATOR - NEWS GROUP

[Mike McCarty]

Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:25:34 -0600
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Mike,



Respectfully, I would very much prefer not to see images posted to the
list, under any circumstances. If there is a problem such as you
mentioned, then those who wish to respond to the issue should receive
such information separately off list.



Another option would be to put the image on the web somewhere, and post
a link to it in the relevant query message.


That's one way of "receiving such information separately off list".


Obviously, the image should be pertinent to the query.   :-)


If it's off-list, and not directed at me, I don't care what it is.

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Re: spambayes mail filter

[Nigel Henry]

On Thursday 04 January 2007 21:24, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> Is any one using spabayes under Linux? The web
> page only talks about Windoz+Outlook-Express?
>
> -ishwar

Hi Ishwar. I'm not using spambayes, but am finding that bogofilter works well. 
I'm using it directly with downloaded mail to Kmail.

http://www.bogofilter.org

Mailing list info is at.

 http://www.bogofilter.org/mailman/listinfo/bogofilter



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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[andy]

Łukasz Andrzejak wrote:



On 1/4/07, *andy* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Łukasz Andrzejak wrote:

Hi,

On 1/4/07, *Kumar Appaiah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with
128 MB
of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from
Sarge to
Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is
irrespective
of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why
this could 



I havent noticed any 'slow down' myself.
Sadly, you failed to say what window manager/de you are using on
this box.
If its a DE, you could try something lighter, or as others have
pointed out - try to find the app thats hogging the memory.
Also - please note that slowing a machine down can mean lots of
things, from not enough ram, to more read/writes to disk and not
enough cpu power.
Most of these things can be checked with the tools mentioned in
this thread, but im not exactly sure how to pinpoint a read/write
culprit.
To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better
top) and xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint
x-resource wise) to check what takes the most resources.
Both are somewhere in the repo's (htops is a standalone package,
not sure about xrestop - its been ages since i installed it).
If your using a DE - maybe try using a simple windowmanager, and
just compare.
Ive found that most people acutally dont use half the features of
KDE/GNOME and something along the lines of fluxbox or fvwm is
sufficient.

As a sidenote and personall preference - i always compile my own
kernel with make-kpkg and im rarely troubled by the kernel
problems that my friends mention.

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Łukasz Andrzejak 

Thanks Lukasz - the reference to htop and xrestop was useful. I've
installed them and will monitor them over time to discern a pattern.

I must put my hand up: I am running the vanilla Gnome DE and there
are probably loads of services that I don't need and several I
don't want. Ordinarily I would run XFce but wanted to play in
Candy Land for a while with an all singing, all dancing, bells and
whistles, bloated DE. Also, I got lazy and fed up with configuring
the XFce menus on Etch in the way I used to use them on Slackware.
Methinks I will need to beef up on Gnome and the services it runs
by default, what they do, and how to turn them off or configure
them. If anyone has any specific recommendations that would be
useful, but in the meantime I'll rummage in the on-line Gnome
help/info files.

As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be
running 1GB of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is
this typical rounding off and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is
it typical for the full amount not to be shown? Seems like missing
250MB of RAM is a fair chunk to not show up. What gives?


a fair chunk ? Thats exactly the amount i have. Total :D
Im running a amd XP2000 with 256 megs of ram with etch, along with a 
2.6.19.1  kernel (i like to tinker) and im getting no 
slowdowns.
On the other hand - i often see swap, but thats what happens when you 
do code that processess hundred-meg databases with php. I have a 
healthy 4 gigs of it reserved (heck - with a 250gig drive, why not ?).


About the missing 250megs of ram...
Maybe you have an integrated card ?
Maybe you have ramdisks created on boot ? (its a debian kernel thing i 
think - ive seen this before - compile your own kernel and it will go 
away, or maybe add some boot params for the kernel).


The amount of physicall ram is inside proc/meminfo iirc, maybe youl 
get a 'true' read from there (and maybe thats where 'free' gets its 
info from and its biased too, dunno).

Maybe check syslog/kern.log/dmesg ?

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Łukasz Andrzejak 

Hmmm ... relevant bits of dmesg:

0MB HIGHMEM available.
767MB LOWMEM available.

Memory: 771640k/786240k available (1543k kernel code, 14044k reserved, 
574k data, 196k init, 0k highmem)


Yep - looks like that RAM has been sliced off somewhere.

And now kernel.log

0MB HIGHMEM available.
895MB LOWMEM available.

Memory: 901688k/917312k available (1543k kernel code, 15068k reserved, 
574k data, 196k init, 0k highmem)


Seems inconsistent.

Hmmm the plot thickens. Any ideas anyone?

Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Łukasz Andrzejak]

On 1/4/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Your kernel config is off: for 1GB:

...
CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_3G is not set
CONFIG_VMSPLIT_3G_OPT=y
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G is not set
# CONFIG_VMSPLIT_1G is not set
...



i say go with this - it sound like a good start.


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Re: mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.

[Matt Miller]

> Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
> mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image.
> ...
> I'm guessing that I'm missing something else in
> menuconfig.

Loadable module support.  If I exclude it then
mkinitramfs-kpkg fails, and if I include it then
mkinitramfs-kpkg succeeds.  This is annoying, since 
one of my intentions here is to build a kernel without
loadable module support.


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Stephen]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:07:45PM +0100 or thereabouts, ?ukasz Andrzejak wrote:
> Hi,

[ ...]

> To add something actually usefull - i reccomend htop (a better top) and
> xrestop (checks running apps for memory footprint x-resource wise) to check
> what takes the most resources.

Hey, Thanks for the recommendation of htop -- Excellent tool, now added
to my toolbox !

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I use sarge's default kernel (386-2), 2.4 kernel
I am writing application that use UDP
So I want to my UDP fit in one IP packet
how to find out the size of IP packet of sarge?
IP packet size of Windows XP?


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Re: Etch becoming slower than Sarge?

[Douglas Tutty]

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:47:48PM +, andy wrote:
> ?ukasz Andrzejak wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >On 1/4/07, *Kumar Appaiah* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> wrote:
> >
> >A couple of my friends who were using Sarge, on machines with 128 MB
> >of RAM and 256 MB of RAM have complained that an upgrade from Sarge to
> >Etch has slowed their machine down considerably. This is irrespective
> >of the Window Manager. Is there any particular reason why this could 
> >
 
> I must put my hand up: I am running the vanilla Gnome DE and there are 
> probably loads of services that I don't need and several I don't want. 
> Ordinarily I would run XFce but wanted to play in Candy Land for a while 
> with an all singing, all dancing, bells and whistles, bloated DE. Also, 
> I got lazy and fed up with configuring the XFce menus on Etch in the way 
> I used to use them on Slackware. Methinks I will need to beef up on 
> Gnome and the services it runs by default, what they do, and how to turn 
> them off or configure them. If anyone has any specific recommendations 
> that would be useful, but in the meantime I'll rummage in the on-line 
> Gnome help/info files.
> 
> As an aside, having just double checked, I am supposed to be running 1GB 
> of RAM but it is only showing a total of 758MB. Is this typical rounding 
> off and 1GB is in reality only 758MB, or is it typical for the full 
> amount not to be shown? Seems like missing 250MB of RAM is a fair chunk 
> to not show up. What gives?
> 

I run amd64 Etch on an AMD Athlon 3800+, one GB stick DDR2-800 ECC
memory (I know, to really get the dual data rate I need two sticks,
that's next year's upgrade).  Since I use SATA drives I couldn't use
Sarge so don't know if Etch is slower on this box.  My other box runs
Sarge but its a 486.  I would hazzard a guess that my amd64 is faster
than my 486 :-)

My top shows Mem: 1027728k total and under normal load including
watching a DVD is 97% idle, under 1% waiting.  I __finally__ figured out
how to get it to use swap and spend some time waiting:

have aptitude upgrading (actual installation not downloading)
run long S.M.A.R.T. self-tests on sda and sdb
(dual SATA drives in raid1)
run a full backup (making tar.bz2 files)
run galeon
watch a dvd on VLC, deinterlace-blend, expand to full-screen
(1600 x 1200)


Then I use all of 84k swap, wait 25%, idle 94%.  Swap is encrypted.

I run icewm via startx when needed.  I don't use the gnome desktop but I
do use some gnome apps (galeon, evince, gnumeric).


I wonder if all your memory is working?  What does dmesg show?  

Doug.


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