Re: Laptop choice?

[Bob]

8< 8< snip 8< 8<
 threadjacks 

On a more general note, is there a laptop with good OS drivers for 
everything, that has a DVI port and SPDIF out (in would be nice but not 
essential) as well as all the normal USB, FireWire, WiFi, lan, etc... ?


Defiantly want OS graphics drivers so I think that restricts me to Intel 
Chipset.


Any suggestions?


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Terminal Server in Win environment..

[Mirco Piccin]

Hi all!
I'm going to build a Terminal Server environment.

There's a Win 2003 SE as Terminal Server.

And a lot of old machines as Client.

I've found 2 interesting projects (and some howtos):
1- LTSP (Linux terminal server project) [
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome]
2- ThinStation [
http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThHowto-win]

Have you some experience?
Could you suggest me the better way to do it?

I aim to not configure every single thin client (=old machine) locally, but
in a centralized way.
I.E.: i could have a cdrom / a compact flash (as hd) / a USB flash and
nothing other for the client.

Thanks!

Re: SATA PCI

[Bob]

Hans du Plooy wrote:

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 13:43 +0800, Bob wrote:

Sorry delay RL.
http://www.stardom.com.tw/others%20satacard.htm
4 port PCI-X


Nice! I lilke the e-SATA express card - solves a few minor storage
headaches for me!

Hans


I have no experience with the PCI-E card, it's a 2 port card so that 
would support a max of 10 drives, also it employs a different chipset 
the sil3132 for PCI-E vs the sil3124 for PCI-X however they use the same 
driver sata_sil24 so it should work. Update the list if it all works for 
you.


Good luck


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Re: Terminal Server in Win environment..

[Илья Струков]

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> Hi all!
> I'm going to build a Terminal Server environment.
>
> There's a Win 2003 SE as Terminal Server.
>
> And a lot of old machines as Client.
>
> I've found 2 interesting projects (and some howtos):
> 1- LTSP (Linux terminal server project) [
> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome]
> 2- ThinStation
> [http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThHowto-win ]
>
> Have you some experience?
> Could you suggest me the better way to do it?
>
> I aim to not configure every single thin client (=old machine)
> locally, but in a centralized way.
> I.E.: i could have a cdrom / a compact flash (as hd) / a USB flash
> and nothing other for the client.
>
> Thanks!
>
our choice - ThinStation installed on hdd
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Re: Setup a printer on debian linux

[Clive Menzies]

On (07/12/06 15:14), Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
>  I am looking for an up to date documentation on how to setup a
> printer under a debian/testing system .I am reading for example, that
> one should not anymore install foomatic-filters-ppds (which use to
> contain the ppd file for my printer), so I am guessing this is also a
> bad idea to download the ppd file from linuxprinting.org:
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/PrinterDriverPackagesSuggestedChanges
> 
>  According to this post:
> 
> http://lists.freestandards.org/pipermail/printing-user-general/2006/008550.html
> 
>  Those ppd files can be magically created for you...unfortunately I
> could not find any documentation for this new way of setting up a
> printer.
> 
Although this talks about windows/samba printing, I've found it a useful
reference for setting up printers generally:

http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html

Regards


Clive

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Re: 48000Hz bitrate Audio distorted

[Fab]

Not sure which part of the dmesg to copy so you can see it in full
here: http://fab621.googlepages.com/dmesg


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Import gmail contacts to Thunderbird

[Shrinivasan T]

Friends.

I wish to use Thunderbird mail client
so that it gives calendering,contact,birthday reminder etc.

I configured gmail on this.

I need to import the contacts into the thunderbird.

I exported gmail contacts into CSV file.

While importing this itnto thunderbird,
It is not importing properly.
The email address and other columns are misplacing.

How to make a neat transfer contacts grom gmail to thunderbird?

Thanks,
T.Shrinivasan.


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Re: aptitude --mind-your-own-business option?

[Chris Lale]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

[...]
Please feel free to edit it and put it on NewbieDOC or anywhere else
where it might be useful. I am a bit pressed for time right now since I
am switching jobs next February (which involves moving to another
country). I might find time during the winter solstice holidays to expand
the text a little and submit it as a suggested addition to the
documentation.

[...]


I have made a start on this, but I have run into a couple of problems 
when testing in Etch:


1. The "-o" option results in Aptitude running in interactive mode.

|# aptitude -o Aptitude::Keep-Unused-Pattern='~T'

|The file "/root/.aptitude/config" is not modified. I have tried other 
options  with the same result:


   # aptitude -o Aptitude::CmdLine::Always-Prompt=true
   # aptitude -o Aptitude::Log=/tmp/my-log

Any idea why this happens (Aptitude 4.1.1-13)?


2. I am not sure about the "-H" option for Sudo in Sarge. Should 
Aptitude be called with "sudo -H" like this?


   $ sudo -H aptitude ...

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Re: Using aspell-id package from Ubuntu? Was "Evolution multilingual spellchecking in Debian Etch (Newbie)."

[Brian Durant]

Hi Sven,

On 12/5/06, Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 19:03 +0100, Brian Durant wrote:
> Any idea how to get rid of my install from source?

Either carefully delete the files manually, or see if there is an "make
uninstall" or similar option. I don't think there's any harm in just
leaving the files on the system, some of them will simply be overwritten
by the package.


OK, I didn't get any response yet from the Indonesian language lists
that I wrote to, so I installed your package and over wrote the files
on the system. The choice to include Indonesian under "composer
preferences" was all of a sudden where it should be. I am not sure why
this didn't work before, but the important thing is that it does now.


> > Maybe you can
> > file a RFP (Request For Package) bug and hope somebody else will pick it
> > up? (Hint: use the reportbug package for this.)
>
> Do you mean the "Report Bug Tool"?

I think that's the tool in GNOME? I don't think it can do RFP bugs.

The reportbug tool (package and binary name) is debian specific and is
run from the terminal. (A GUI version is in development I believe).


Yeah, found it. As you state above, it's command line and invoked with
'reportbug' in the terminal.


> BTW, I have sent this question to
> debian-user-indonesian@lists.debian.org I got in contact with someone
> who will forward the question on to some other lists. I am just hoping
> someone will understand my somewhat questionable Bahasa Indonesia ;-)

Sounds like a good idea.

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Thanks again,

Brian


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Re: aptitude --mind-your-own-business option?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:54:36 +, Chris Lale wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >[...]
> >Please feel free to edit it and put it on NewbieDOC or anywhere else
> >where it might be useful. I am a bit pressed for time right now since I
> >am switching jobs next February (which involves moving to another
> >country). I might find time during the winter solstice holidays to expand
> >the text a little and submit it as a suggested addition to the
> >documentation.
> >
> >[...]
> 
> I have made a start on this, but I have run into a couple of problems 
> when testing in Etch:
> 
> 1. The "-o" option results in Aptitude running in interactive mode.
> 
> |# aptitude -o Aptitude::Keep-Unused-Pattern='~T'
> 
> |The file "/root/.aptitude/config" is not modified. I have tried other 
> options  with the same result:
> 
># aptitude -o Aptitude::CmdLine::Always-Prompt=true
># aptitude -o Aptitude::Log=/tmp/my-log
> 
> Any idea why this happens (Aptitude 4.1.1-13)?

I think this is what is supposed to happen. Using a "-o" switch on the
command line will change the setting for this one execution of the
aptitude (and override the settings in the configuration file), but it
will not change the configuration in any permanent way.

If you want a permanent change then you have to either edit the file
yourself or you can use the settings menu in interactive aptitude, e.g. 
CTRL - T > Options > Dependency handling > Don't automatically remove
unused packages matching this filter > put ~T into the input box. (There
may be some options which are available only by editing the file
directly.)

> 2. I am not sure about the "-H" option for Sudo in Sarge. Should 
> Aptitude be called with "sudo -H" like this?
> 
>$ sudo -H aptitude ...

Yes, that is correct. You can define an alias for it to safe typing,
e.g.

alias saptitude='sudo -H aptitude'

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Re: USB attached ATA drive: wrong size

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,


I bought an 80GB ATA drive and an external enclosure for it.

I connect it on Sid and I see:

...
SCSI device sdb: 66055248 512-byte hdwr sectors (33820 MB)
...

running cfdisk /dev/sdb indeed shows 33819.73 MB.

But the face of the disk (Seagate) says 80GB.

Can anybody shed light on this?
Thanks!

Hugo




See you guys aren't watching.
Where did you put the master/slave jumper?
This disk (Seagate: ST380211  Model: 0A) does not mark the pins.
And... I had it on the wrong set of pins!
Now it reads:

...
SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
...

Watch out! This'll be on the test!

Hugo



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Re: How to use network-manager in gnome by non root?

[Per Carlson]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:36:08AM +0800, gulfstream wrote:

> The nm-applet is not displayed in notification area at all when I login use
> a normal user. Is root password necessary to use network manager applet as a
> normal user? How to do it?

you must be a member of the netdev group to use the applet. this is
unfortunately not very well documented. at least, it wasn't at the time
of my first tries with n-m. 

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Re: large rendering

[Kent West]

Mark Grieveson wrote:
> When using KDE, sometimes the rendering of the desktop will become too
> large, making things unusable, and requiring a reboot to fix.  This
> occurs, usually, when I open a fullscreen game such as defendguin or
> supertux.  In particular, if I've accidentally doubleclicked the
> mouse, when only a single click is required to start it from the
> desktop launcher (thereby opening two instances of the game, instead
> of one.)
>
> Is there anyway to fix this?  I don't have the same issue when using
> other desktop environments/window managers.

I dunno, but I'd try Ctrl-Alt-KeypadPlus (the plus on the numeric
keypad) or Ctrl-Alt-KeypadMinus to see if you can cycle around to the
normal resolution.

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gtk 2.10 etc...

[Carl Fürstenberg]

any progress in getting gtk 2.10 etc. into sid?


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Re: links -g version 2.1pre26-4

[Gerard Robin]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 02:55:56PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

From: Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: links -g version 2.1pre26-4



On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 01:33:05PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:

Hello,
"links2 -g"  version 2.1pre23-1 works fine on my box, 
but version 2.1pre26-4 doesn't work ? 
(it's the package : links2_2.1pre26-3_i386.deb)


is it working fine for someone ?


I have 2.1pre26-2 and it is working fine.


I just have installed  the last version of links2 and it works fine for me too.
Thanks too the maintainer.

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Re: gtk 2.10 etc...

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Carl.

Carl Fürstenberg, 08.12.2006 15:56:
> any progress in getting gtk 2.10 etc. into sid?

It’s in Experimental and waiting for Etch to be released. After this, it
probably will go into Sid.


Regards, Mathias

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Debian install to init 3?

[Ishwar Rattan]

I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.

The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
level 3)?

-ishwar


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Where kde stores config files?

[Bruno Buys]

This is etch with kde 3.5.5. I'd like to find the config files responsible
for the right-click context menu in konqueror that display the 'eject'
function to open my dvd tray.
In sarge it used to be like ~/.kde/share/apps/something-like-servicemenu...
Anyone knows? thanks!

Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 04:39:53PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> 
> I wonder what NASA did for their deep-space probes like Voyager?  The
> recent stuff seems to be disposable (e.g. how long will this one last?),
> but Voyager was meant to keep on running.  They used some sort of gold
> pressed record for ETI to read but I wonder what they used for the
> computer's OS and data-storage in-between downloads?

A few years ago I hear that they had stored a lot of their early data on 
magnetic tapes, which were deteriorating and in need ot copying to new 
media, but that there was no funding available to do this.

-- hendrik


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Re: Setup a printer on debian linux

[Mathieu Malaterre]

On 12/8/06, Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On (07/12/06 15:14), Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> Hi there,
>
>  I am looking for an up to date documentation on how to setup a
> printer under a debian/testing system .I am reading for example, that
> one should not anymore install foomatic-filters-ppds (which use to
> contain the ppd file for my printer), so I am guessing this is also a
> bad idea to download the ppd file from linuxprinting.org:
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/PrinterDriverPackagesSuggestedChanges
>
>  According to this post:
>
> 
http://lists.freestandards.org/pipermail/printing-user-general/2006/008550.html
>
>  Those ppd files can be magically created for you...unfortunately I
> could not find any documentation for this new way of setting up a
> printer.
>
Although this talks about windows/samba printing, I've found it a useful
reference for setting up printers generally:

http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html


Cive,

 This is definitely a better document than those I have found, but it
starts with the very same statement that is not correct any more (or
at least is deprecated):

<...>
Printer Drivers

LinuxPrinting.org (http://www.linuxprinting.org) offers the largest
number of printer drivers and maintains a database of printers
supported under Linux. You must download a printer driver for each
model of printer you want to use in Linux. A printer driver consists
of a PPD file and a filter program, or only a PPD file for PostScript
printers.
<...>

 Anyway I will be keeping the reference for the windows sharing part.

Thanks !
-M
Ps: I installed kprinter (I am using gnome) and it seems to do the
jobs of generating whatever ppd file is needed. I was able to print to
a HP LaserJet 4350 with duplex.


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> 
> On 12/07/06 11:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Did you ever write any code in the 1970's that can't be run any more?
> > I did.
> 
> Shame on you for not writing in a portable language.  Go COBOL!!!

I actually did my non-surviving code in assembler for the IBM 1620, a 
decimal machine.  I believe I had a Fortran II compiler available -- 
that was in the days before Fortran had been standardized.

In the 70's I wrote most of an Algol 68 compiler in Algol W.  The intent 
was to rewrite it in Algol 68 when it was done.  Conversion would 
probably be done (mostly) mechanically, but funding ran out shortly 
before the first comnpiler was quite finished.

I looked at it again a few years ago -- some bit rot has occurred in 
the lexical analyser, but most of it is still readable.

-- hendrik


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 08:41:54PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> 
> On 12/07/06 19:25, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 06:18:43PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> On 12/07/06 17:39, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [snip]
> > You mean there's no emulator that lets me run Fortran for the 704?  I
> > SO loved conditional gotos :-)
> 
> Sheah, computed GOTOs are great!!  I use them all the time scripting
> batch jobs in OpenVMS.  They make code 10x easier to write and read.

Datamation once published an article describing the computed COME FROM 
statement.  :-)

-- hendrik


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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 04:50:34PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 02:49:57PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After failing to reconstitute my etch system (details abundantly 
> > available on this mailing list a few months ago), I wiped its partition 
> > and tried to install etch form scratch using installer release candidate 
> > one, only to find that lilo crashed when it was trying to make the 
> > system bootable (installation report has been submitted).
> > 
> > So my next attempt was to copy the still-running sarge system I have on 
> > another partition into my etch partition, and to try to upgrade the copy 
> > to etch by changing /etc/apt/sources to read 'etch' where the old one 
> > reads 'sarge', starting aptitude, and upgrading.
> 
> Hi Hendrik,
> 
> It would have been easier (and still may be) to fix the boot loader
> thing on etch than what you've tried.
> 
> When I installed Etch (pre RC1), grub didn't get installed.  I rebooted
> the installer in rescue mode and installed grub from there and it
> worked.  You could try that with lilo or switch to grub.
> 
> As far as upgrading, if you check the release notes you'll see that you
> have to upgrade aptitude before you do anything else.

I tried that, and got a *huge* raft of proposed deletions -- just from 
asking for aptitude to be upgraded.

>  Read the whole
> release notes and see if anything else is applicable to your situation.

I should have done that, too.

-- hendrik


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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:05:05PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 03:30:47PM -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > > 
> > Sound like what I have seen "as usual" while doing dist upgrades (Debian
> > and Ubuntu). Several apt-get {update|upgrade|dist-upgrade|-f install}
> > cycles often are needed. Some packages almost always get "stuck", i.e.
> > cannot be upgraded or prevent other packages to be upgraded. For those I
> > do apt-get remove and then install.
> 
> The hard part is to identify the key packages that are blocking all the 
> rest.

It seems to me that there must be a better way of organising all this.
Has anyone done any kind of mathematical analysis of package 
repository management?

-- hendrik


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Re: Preferred Mirrors for Apt

[Jochen Schulz]

David Baron:
> 
> However, with the scheme I propose, all Debian packages would be taken care 
> of. Other stuff like qmail, systemimage, stuff that one needs a repository 
> other than Debian's own mirrors, would need be explicitely listed.

This is the current situation. IIRC, the installer even presents a list
of mirrors from which you may choose one. Non-Debian archives are never
autmatically added to sources.list.

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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 06:23:35PM -0500, Jos? Alburquerque wrote:
> Yes, you're right about that.  GRUB can be installed in any BR (of any 
> partition) and in that way grub and lilo *are not* mutually exclusive.  
> But if you're planning on installing grub or lilo on the mbr then I 
> think that they indeed are mutually exclusive.  (Am I right on this?)

I was considering installing both grub and lilo to MBR -- but MBRs of 
different disk drives -- Lilo to /dev/fd0, and grub to /dev/hda.
Then I can determine which gets used by pushing the floppy disk in or 
out.  My question was really whether the two conflict anywhere *else* 
but the MBR.

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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 04:48:43PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061207 14:13]:
> > I have an emergency boot disk -- a floppy on which lilo wrote an MBR.
> > It works fine.  I use it to dual-boot a functional sarge and a severely 
> > broken etch (well, actually the etch doesn't boot).
> > 
> > The etch installer's lilo won't run.  
> 
> This is curious, because the Etch installer installs GRUB, not LILO.
> LILO is deprecated, if not obsolete.  Even the Sarge installer
> installed GRUB by default.  

Installing via lilo is in the list of steps the etch installer provides.
You have to manually skip the grub step, and you get the lilo step.

-- hendrik


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inode warning

[root]

 Can anyone tell me what this message means and what to do about it? 
'iput: inode 00:00/0 count wrapped' 
This is a Woody install from CD on an old Pentuim system.
TIA, Mike


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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[hendrik]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 04:50:34PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 02:49:57PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After failing to reconstitute my etch system (details abundantly 
> > available on this mailing list a few months ago), I wiped its partition 
> > and tried to install etch form scratch using installer release candidate 
> > one, only to find that lilo crashed when it was trying to make the 
> > system bootable (installation report has been submitted).
> > 
> > So my next attempt was to copy the still-running sarge system I have on 
> > another partition into my etch partition, and to try to upgrade the copy 
> > to etch by changing /etc/apt/sources to read 'etch' where the old one 
> > reads 'sarge', starting aptitude, and upgrading.
> 
> Hi Hendrik,
> 
> It would have been easier (and still may be) to fix the boot loader
> thing on etch than what you've tried.
> 
> When I installed Etch (pre RC1), grub didn't get installed.  I rebooted
> the installer in rescue mode and installed grub from there and it
> worked.  You could try that with lilo or switch to grub.
> 

What I did in that situation was to boot to the sarge system I also had 
on that system, and use *its* lilo to add the new etch to the boot menu.  
Worked like a charm, except that etch, now on the boot menu, still 
wouldn't actually boot.

-- hendrik


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Re: Bash script question

[Bob McGowan]

The '-print0' of 'find' and the '-0' of 'xargs' (those are the number 
zero, not a capital o) prevent problems processing file names that 
contain white space (such as you might get from other OS's, but can also 
get on UNIX/Linux systems when using GUI programs that create files).


It uses a 'null' character (ASCII 0x) to terminate the character 
sequence that is the file name.  Note, in the documentation, it 
specifically talks about embedded newlines in file names, then mentions 
other white space.


FYI, the documentation of 'find' explains this clearly.

Bob

H.S. wrote:

Stephen R Laniel wrote:


The easiest way wouldn't involve the filename at all. If you
know that a file created on date D is stamped with date D --
i.e., if your files all look like so:

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slaniel slaniel 0 2006-12-07 13:09 filename-20061207.tar.gz


-- then you can just use find(1). You could do something
like

find directoryName -mtime +X -print0 |xargs -0 rm '{}'


just a related questions, how is the above different from:
$> find directoryName -mtime +X -exec rm -f  '{}' \;

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Re: max loop devices problem

[Max Vozeler]

Hello sardu mohamadu,

On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 01:41:18PM +0100, sardu mohamadu wrote:
> Before all, I'm new, so excuse my possible mailinglisting errors.
> 
> I'm trying to mount more than 8 loop file systems, and I can't. I have
> followed a thread in this mailinglist telling how to do that, but It
> has not work to me.
> 
> First, information of my system:
> -
> # cat /etc/debian_version
> testing/unstable
> 
> # uname -a
> Linux x 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> # lsmod |grep loop
> loop   14472  16
> 
> # cat /proc/cmdline
> root=/dev/hda1 ro max_loop=64

I seem to remember that one has to write the name of the module
before the option, like "loop.max_loop=64", if loop is a module
and not compiled into the kernel. I'm not too sure, but this is
something you could try ;-) 

If it doesn't work, an alternative may be to create a file
/etc/modprobe.d/loop (for 2.6 kernels, it's different for 2.4 iand
earlier) and put into it "options loop max_loop=64".

cheers,
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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[Mike McCarty]

José Alburquerque wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have an emergency boot disk -- a floppy on which lilo wrote an MBR.


A slight correction: Floppies do not have MBRs on them. They are
a single volume, and have only a BR on them.

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Wayne Topa]

Ishwar Rattan([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> 
> I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
> 
> The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> level 3)?

Once in X, do Ctrl-Alt F(1-6).  Login and do the update-upgrade.  Go
back to X by hitting F7.

Wayne

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

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On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:


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Did you ever write any code in the 1970's that can't be run any more?
I did.


Shame on you for not writing in a portable language.  Go COBOL!!!



I actually did my non-surviving code in assembler for the IBM 1620, a 
decimal machine.  I believe I had a Fortran II compiler available -- 
that was in the days before Fortran had been standardized.


Well, *nominally* a decimal machine. IIRC, part of the bootstrap process
was to load in the math tables. It was actually possible to make
it into a sort-of octal machine by loading octal tables.

In the 70's I wrote most of an Algol 68 compiler in Algol W.  The intent 
was to rewrite it in Algol 68 when it was done.  Conversion would 
probably be done (mostly) mechanically, but funding ran out shortly 
before the first comnpiler was quite finished.


Yeah, I did a compiler for Modula II several years ago which died on
the vine like that. It's kinda a disappointment for the engineers
when the thing the are working on doesn't actually ever get built.

I looked at it again a few years ago -- some bit rot has occurred in 
the lexical analyser, but most of it is still readable.


Huh. Interesting. I've got floppies which are more than 10 yrs old
which read perfectly.

Mike
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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:50:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 06:23:35PM -0500, Jos? Alburquerque wrote:
> > Yes, you're right about that.  GRUB can be installed in any BR (of any 
> > partition) and in that way grub and lilo *are not* mutually exclusive.  
> > But if you're planning on installing grub or lilo on the mbr then I 
> > think that they indeed are mutually exclusive.  (Am I right on this?)
> 
> I was considering installing both grub and lilo to MBR -- but MBRs of 
> different disk drives -- Lilo to /dev/fd0, and grub to /dev/hda.
> Then I can determine which gets used by pushing the floppy disk in or 
> out.  My question was really whether the two conflict anywhere *else* 
> but the MBR.

I don't think so. as I understand it, lilo essentially hardcodes the
location of the kernel when you write it to the BR while grub actually
reads the file systems on booting. I know that I have booted a lilo
system using a grub floppy. I see no reason why the reverse wouldn't work.

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Ali Jawad]

I really did not get what you want just a short explanation of run levels
0 shutdown
1 single user maintenance mode
3 multi user CLI mode
5 multi user X mode "this one is 4 in SLACK"
6 reboot

If you want your system to start into one of the levels above..edit
/etc/inittab accordingly..a warning ..do not use  0 or 6 since this
will either shutdown or restart your system once it is loaded.

On 12/8/06, Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ishwar Rattan([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
>
> I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
>
> The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> level 3)?

Once in X, do Ctrl-Alt F(1-6).  Login and do the update-upgrade.  Go
back to X by hitting F7.

Wayne

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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[Ali Jawad]

Maybe using one loader as the primary loader and the other one as the
secondary loader..with one of them on the mbr and the other in the
/boot partition might work out

On 12/8/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:50:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 06:23:35PM -0500, Jos? Alburquerque wrote:
> > Yes, you're right about that.  GRUB can be installed in any BR (of any
> > partition) and in that way grub and lilo *are not* mutually exclusive.
> > But if you're planning on installing grub or lilo on the mbr then I
> > think that they indeed are mutually exclusive.  (Am I right on this?)
>
> I was considering installing both grub and lilo to MBR -- but MBRs of
> different disk drives -- Lilo to /dev/fd0, and grub to /dev/hda.
> Then I can determine which gets used by pushing the floppy disk in or
> out.  My question was really whether the two conflict anywhere *else*
> but the MBR.

I don't think so. as I understand it, lilo essentially hardcodes the
location of the kernel when you write it to the BR while grub actually
reads the file systems on booting. I know that I have booted a lilo
system using a grub floppy. I see no reason why the reverse wouldn't work.

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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:40:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I tried that, and got a *huge* raft of proposed deletions -- just from 
> asking for aptitude to be upgraded.

what did you use to upgrade aptitude? you might want to use something
that thinks its less intelligent to do this. If you used aptitude to
try and upgrade aptitude, maybe you could try apt-get or even manually
with dpkg. 

this all assumes you tried it with aptitude. Aptitude (not starting a
war here folks) will try to be too smart sometimes in working through
the dependencies resulting in a huge pile of deletions. so maybe
apt-get or dpkg would work to get that one out of the way and then you
could move on to upgrading the rest. or, if you
wnted to use aptitude, you could try and figure out which "groups" of
packages it was trying to remove and work up the dependency tree and
mark the major ones to keep or hold. For example, if for some reason
that aptitude upgrade tries to delete all of X, go in and manually
select xorg and give it a + (instlal) or : (hold) and that should
cascade down to the whole x system and keep it. 

I haven't read the whole thread in detail so I'm sorry if I'm
repeating stuff here. 

my apt-cache show's that aptitude only depends on a handful of other
packages (including, of course libc6, the big one). what is your

apt-cache policy for aptitude -- specifically the depends line. and
what versions of those packages do you currently have installed?

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:31:30PM +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> I really did not get what you want just a short explanation of run levels
> 0 shutdown
> 1 single user maintenance mode
> 3 multi user CLI mode
> 5 multi user X mode "this one is 4 in SLACK"
> 6 reboot

in debian, init 2 is the multi-user X mode. the others 3, 4, 5, are
not really used. 

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:07:29AM -0500, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> 
> I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
> 
> The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> level 3)?

it should be run level 2 in debian. 

if you are looking to do a big dist-upgrade and want to shut X down to
avoid the system load in the process, then ctrl-alt-f[123456], login
as root, execute "invoke-rc.d gdm stop" to gracefully bring down
X. then proceed with your upgrade and either reboot (if you've changed
kernels) or "invoke-rc.d gdm start" to restart X. 

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Ali Jawad]

How to boot into multiuser CLI mode then ?

On 12/8/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:31:30PM +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> I really did not get what you want just a short explanation of run levels
> 0 shutdown
> 1 single user maintenance mode
> 3 multi user CLI mode
> 5 multi user X mode "this one is 4 in SLACK"
> 6 reboot

in debian, init 2 is the multi-user X mode. the others 3, 4, 5, are
not really used.

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Re: USB attached ATA drive: wrong size

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 07:33:30AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >I bought an 80GB ATA drive and an external enclosure for it.
> >
> >I connect it on Sid and I see:
> >
> >...
> >SCSI device sdb: 66055248 512-byte hdwr sectors (33820 MB)
> >...
> >
> >running cfdisk /dev/sdb indeed shows 33819.73 MB.
> >
> >But the face of the disk (Seagate) says 80GB.
> >
> >Can anybody shed light on this?
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Hugo
> >
> >
> 
> See you guys aren't watching.
> Where did you put the master/slave jumper?
> This disk (Seagate: ST380211  Model: 0A) does not mark the pins.
> And... I had it on the wrong set of pins!
> Now it reads:
> 
> ...
> SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
> ...
> 
> Watch out! This'll be on the test!

crap. I knew that. how could I have missed it (bangs head on
desk). there goes my A. 

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 08:41:25PM +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> How to boot into multiuser CLI mode then ?

i think you have to modify the run-levels your self. man update-rc.d 

IIRC, debian puts links to *dm in run-levels 2-5. if you want it
differently you have to change it. and maybe re-change it after some
upgrades.

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Re: recommended Debian package for burning CDs...

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 09:20 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > I recommend keeping the old cdrecord and mkisofs around until k3b, nautilus 
> > or 
> > whatever you are using is updated to work with the new utilities. 'Twas not 
> > really nice of slip the new stuff in under the door like that.
> 
> Yes, I agree.  :-(  Guess there is, yet another, list to get on so we
> know stuff like this is on it's way in.

What problems are you having? Please file bugs...

AFAIK there are dummy packages for cdrecord and mkisofs providing the
correct symlinks.

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Re: How to uninstall X

[Chris Purves]

On 07/12/06, Douglas Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 10:28:43AM -0700, Chris Purves wrote:
> What is the best way to completely uninstall X from my system?
> Presently, I have xorg installed.  I think I should be able to remove
> one of the X libraries, but I'm not sure which one.
>

You should be able to remove (purge) xorg.  If you're using aptitude, use it
interactvely and work your way through all xorg's dependencies to make
sure everything you don't want is removed (purged).



I found removing xbase-clients got rid of all xserver packages (as
well as KDE, GNOME, etc) which is what I was looking for.

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Ron Johnson]

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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 12/07/06 11:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
>> I looked at it again a few years ago -- some bit rot has occurred in
>> the lexical analyser, but most of it is still readable.
> 
> Huh. Interesting. I've got floppies which are more than 10 yrs old
> which read perfectly.

By "lexical analyser", I *think* he meant, "I've forgotten some of
the trickier syntax".

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Re: gtk 2.10 etc...

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 15:56 +0100, Carl Fürstenberg wrote:
> any progress in getting gtk 2.10 etc. into sid?

A question better suited for debian-gtk-gnome I think, see for example
http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2006/11/msg00021.html

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Re: aptitude --mind-your-own-business option?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 03:08:54PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (05/12/06 14:43), Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > I cannot predict what the future will bring. I can say, however, after
> > using aptitude on two Sid systems for almost a year and doing
> > "dist-upgrade" nearly every single day, that aptitude seems to be a lot
> > less dangerous than what has been claimed by some people. (This is not
> > directed at you, Mike, I am just getting a bit fed up with the
> > aptitude-related fear mongering that I have seen on this list recently.)
> 
> I'll second that; moving from stable to sid some three years ago,
> aptitude and apt-listbugs have kept me out of trouble on my main
> production workstation and other systems on the same box.  Aptitude has
> also come a long way over that period with suggested fixes for broken
> dependencies etc.
> 
> I've used the graphical front ends such as Synaptic but they don't see
> to give the same level of control.
> 
> It just takes a little time to get used to it :)

I had no idea about all those options. All I did was mark a few key
packages as manually installed. I am running sid for almost a year
without any problems. Just make sure to review the changes before
actually doing them.

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Re: debian and graphics drivers [was google earth and graphics drivers]

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 04:06 +, Tyler wrote:
> Ok, it looks like I've sort of figured out my problem.
> 
> I was using the "vesa" driver instead of the "i810" driver. So I changed 
>   that field in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, gave and updated the identifier 
> appropriately(?). The modified lines in xorg.conf are:
> 
> 
> 
> Section "Device"
>  Identifier  "Intel 8xx"
>  Driver  "i810"
> EndSection
> 
> 
> 
> Section "Screen"
>  Identifier  "Default Screen"
>  Device  "Intel 8xx"
> 
> 
> 
> Then I got a few more errors, and an unusable Google Earth, until I ran:
> 
> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true
> 
> (google brought me this, I don't know what it means).
> 
> Now Google Earth is almost as peppy as it is when I run XP on the same 
> laptop, only without the excitement of crashing the entire system every 
> few minutes like XP does.

"LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT, if defined this will force libGL.so to always
use indirect rendering instead of hardware acceleration. This can be
useful to isolate rendering errors"

From http://xfree86.activeventure.org/dri/DRI8.html
(Possible better documentation available elsewhere)

This sounds like hardware acceleration is turned off for Google Earth,
but you don't experience it as slow?

> The question now is, have I fixed the problem, or just bumbled into 
> something that will cause me problems later on? There are lots of odd 
> messages in my Xorg.log that look like problems, but I don't know:

Sounds like things are set up the way they should be. According to the
man page for i810, 945GM is supported.

> (II) LoadModule: "int10"
> (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so
> (II) I810(0): initializing int10
> (WW) I810(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum
> (II) I810(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
> (II) I810(0): VESA BIOS detected
> 
> (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2e
> (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2f
> (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x30
> (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x31
> (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32

The AIGLX warnings are harmless and can be ignored. 

Anyway, first of all, make sure hardware acceleration is on and working
correctly for other applications. Do "glxinfo | grep direct" from a
terminal. 

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Re: OO.org dictionary tool upgrade install. Where?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 16:24 +0100, Brian Durant wrote:
> When I open OO.org and try to install extra dictionaries, I get
> prompted for installing a newer version of the OO.org dictionary tool
> and a file path prompt opens up, but I haven't got a clue where the
> app is supposed to be installed. Nothing in the dialog box that gives
> a clue. Any ideas from anyone?

I'm not a heavy OOo user so I could be wrong, but doesn't it simply pick
up the dictionaries provided by the debian packages? (myspell-*,
openoffice.org-hyphenation-*, openoffice.org-thesaurus-*)

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using kmail with procmail

[Micha Feigin]

I couldn't find anything about this in google.

I currently have a working setup I like that uses fetchmail and procmail. I
thought of moving to kmail since it can do a few things that annoy me with
sylpheed. Is it possible to use kmail with a local maildir folder that is
handled be procmail and fetchmail or do I need to move everything into kmail
(which pretty much rules it out in such a case)?

Thanks


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Xen smp

[Sturla Holm Hansen]

Hi list.
I'm running Xen under Etch and running an instance of Etch under Xen, the
host is showing two cpu's but the guest does not...
Is smp not supported in the xen-package in Etch or am I doing something
wrong?

Thanx

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:


On 12/07/06 11:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[snip]


I looked at it again a few years ago -- some bit rot has occurred in
the lexical analyser, but most of it is still readable.


Huh. Interesting. I've got floppies which are more than 10 yrs old
which read perfectly.



By "lexical analyser", I *think* he meant, "I've forgotten some of
the trickier syntax".


I'm sure he could answer that better than you or I. However,
"bit rot" normally means that some of the bits on the magnetic
medium have either flaked off, or have migrated (a real problem
on low coercion magnetic media) and consequently have become
unreadable by the drive.

A lexical analyzer is part of a compiler. They are typically
lexical analyzer (tokenizer), semantic analyzer, symbol manager,
code generator, machine independent optimizer, code assembler,
and machine dependent optimizer. Some compilers also have an
assembler in them (not what is meant by a code assembler; that
turns the machine independent intermediate code into machine
dependent code, and does instruction scheduling).

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 20:31 +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> I really did not get what you want just a short explanation of run levels
> 0 shutdown
> 1 single user maintenance mode
> 3 multi user CLI mode
> 5 multi user X mode "this one is 4 in SLACK"
> 6 reboot
> 
> If you want your system to start into one of the levels above..edit
> /etc/inittab accordingly..a warning ..do not use  0 or 6 since this
> will either shutdown or restart your system once it is loaded.

Debian is not setup to run like that.

update-rc.d -f gdm remove

That removes the Gnome Display Manager from running (and henceforth X)

If you want Multi-User CLI mode... just make sure SSH is installed. The
create accounts on the machine for the users.

I strenuously object to and strongly discourage the use of telnet, ftp
or rsh (the plain text versions)

In any case you can define 0 or 6 to be full multi-user or what ever you
want. It is just the "well practiced normal procedure" for 0 (shutdown)
and 6(reboot) to be that way. You could have init level "61" if you
defined it properly. There are about 2^64 (maybe more, maybe less) ways
to manage services and applications on startup in any *NIX machine OS...
but that is far more than you asked for.
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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Gustavo Franco]

On 12/8/06, Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.

The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
level 3)?



Are you using d-i etch RC1 ? If yes, i would recommend you log into
GNOME and use synaptic package manager or let the update-notifier tell
you that there are updates (you will see a notification icon on top
right).

If you really want a terminal you can change the 'session' before log
in or just open the gnome-terminal after log in. This is valid for
both Sarge and Etch (d-i RC1).

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Re: Are lilo and grub compatible?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 16:48 -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061207 14:13]:
> > I have an emergency boot disk -- a floppy on which lilo wrote an MBR.
> > It works fine.  I use it to dual-boot a functional sarge and a severely 
> > broken etch (well, actually the etch doesn't boot).
> > 
> > The etch installer's lilo won't run.  
> 
> This is curious, because the Etch installer installs GRUB, not LILO.
> LILO is deprecated, if not obsolete.  Even the Sarge installer
> installed GRUB by default.  

LILO is not deprecated, though I have used only GRUB for about 4 years
now (on most systems). Other platform versions of LILO boot other
machine architectures (SILO for Sparc comes to mind). In case you don't
know it, LILO is the default boot-loader if you use XFS for your booting
partition. XFS and grub still do not get along all that well.

> > I could try running the installer again and telling it to try grub,
> > but I'm afraid that that might change something that the
> > sarge-installed lilo uses when I boot from floppy.  
> 
> I don't think that is a possibility, but even if it were, there should
> be no problem, because GRUB is very comprehensive and should find all
> the operating systems on your machine and automatically configure
> itself for booting all of them.

It still fails to find many older OSes. Its all in the implmentaiton of
the distro. Heck, just recently the grub-installation routine for the
etch installer missed my 80GB ATA100 disk with Windows XP on it because
I replaced the splash image on it, which to be honest is a trivial thing
to do. (read as there are cheap and free programs to make it happen).

> > If the etch installer's grub fails like its lilo, I'm kind of afraid
> > that I will have no way of booting at all.
> 
> I advise you to trust GRUB and forget LILO.

I to advise GRUB, but to forget LILO and howto use it... is treading on
dangerously thin ice there.
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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Gustavo Franco]

On 12/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 03:30:47PM -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
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> > After failing to reconstitute my etch system (details abundantly
> > available on this mailing list a few months ago), I wiped its partition
> > and tried to install etch form scratch using installer release candidate
> > one, only to find that lilo crashed when it was trying to make the
> > system bootable (installation report has been submitted).
> >
> > So my next attempt was to copy the still-running sarge system I have on
> > another partition into my etch partition, and to try to upgrade the copy
> > to etch by changing /etc/apt/sources to read 'etch' where the old one
> > reads 'sarge', starting aptitude, and upgrading.
> >
> > My first attempt was to try to upgrade aptitude first.  No luck.
> > Trying to upgrading aptitude immediately led to hundreds of packages
> > that would be deleted.  My guess is they were caught in the libc
> > transition.
> >
> > My second attampt was to try 'U' so as to do a general upgrade.  Again,
> > huge numbers of deleted packages, and a huge number of packages to be
> > installed, too.  Went ahead with it anyway, after rescuing aptitude
> > itself -- it had decided it was appropriate to delete aptitude without
> > installing it again.  But just typing '+' on aptitude was enough to
> > restore it without problem, so I don't know why it decided it was to be
> > removed in the first place.
> >
> > After about three to four hours of downloading, it started the upgrades.
> > Several problems immediately.  It couldn't upgrade fontconfig or pysol,
> > and refused to try further.  pysol needed python2.4, don't know why it
> > decided to do that first.  fontconfig is now unusable, which causes
> > troubles elsewhere.
> >
> > After various attempts to solve the problems, I am left with a huge
> > number of packages to be deleted/upgraded/installed, and X that won't
> > work, and a list of 18 packages that have problems.
> >
> > Should I try again tomorrow in the hope that package dependencies will
> > sort themselves out?  Or should I just give up and try another way of
> > installing tomorrow?  Can't think of one now, but one will probably come
> > to me it I think hard enough.
> >
> > -- hendrik
> >
> Sound like what I have seen "as usual" while doing dist upgrades (Debian
> and Ubuntu). Several apt-get {update|upgrade|dist-upgrade|-f install}
> cycles often are needed. Some packages almost always get "stuck", i.e.
> cannot be upgraded or prevent other packages to be upgraded. For those I
> do apt-get remove and then install.

The hard part is to identify the key packages that are blocking all the
rest.


Hi Hendrik,

After all you've a updated (as in testing) aptitude, right? Please do:
aptitude install desktop gnome-desktop if you're using GNOME,
otherwise use 'desktop kde-desktop' (xfce-desktop will enter testing
soon).

Feedback is appreciated.

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Re: aptitude --mind-your-own-business option?

[Chris Lale]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:54:36 +, Chris Lale wrote:
  

Florian Kulzer wrote:


[...]
Please feel free to edit it and put it on NewbieDOC or anywhere else
where it might be useful. I am a bit pressed for time right now since I
am switching jobs next February (which involves moving to another
country). I might find time during the winter solstice holidays to expand
the text a little and submit it as a suggested addition to the
documentation.

[...]
  



[...]

  

Thanks Florian.

The NewbieDOC wiki now has a version of these Aptitude notes 
(http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get).


This is a start. Anyone can edit, amend or add to the wiki page. Please do.

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gnome-cd will not play, sound-juicer segfaults. vlc has no problems

[Leiv Hellebo]

Hi,

For a couple of weeks I have been unable to rip CDs, and play audio CDs. 
Mounting CD roms is not a problem (and I am not trying to mount audio 
CDs). I can play audio CDs with vlc just fine, but I am not interested 
in playing CDs, I want the darned audio in flacs on hard disk!


Sound-juicer starts up all fine, getting the CD information from 
MusicBrainz, but when I click "Extract", it displays

   "Sound Juicer could not extract this CD. Reason:
This CD has no audio tracks"
   Clicking ok gives:
   "SJ could not extract. Reason: Error starting ripping pipeline"

Called from the command line, the following extra is displayed:

GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed

And dmesg reports a segfault.

--

Gnome-cd displays "Drive Error"

Called from the command line, it keeps printing
"ERROR: This CD has no audio tracks"

--

The Disks Manager found under Desktop->Administration agrees that it's a 
_NEC  DVD_RW ND-3540A. Further it says "Audio Disc inserted", and that 
"Play Audio" is listed under "Supported Features". The Audio CD-rom tab 
correctly keeps track of how long the CD is and how many tracks it has 
(but of course, clicking play calls gnome-cd, which produces the errors 
mentioned above).



I just apt-get updated, and gnome-media is now at 2.14.2-4, but this did 
not help.


$ dmesg | grep hdc
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
hdc: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
$ uname -a
Linux lex 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux


I know a few things about computers and Debian, but when it comes to 
external media I am a total idiot, so any help here will be very, very 
much appreciated.




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Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[rs]

Hi,

Could anyone confirm if Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem ( 
http://www.dynexproducts.com/pc-31-5-56k-v92-usb-external-datafax-modem.aspx ) 
works OK with Debian?

Thanks





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Re: USB attached ATA drive: wrong size

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 07:33 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > I bought an 80GB ATA drive and an external enclosure for it.
> > 
> > I connect it on Sid and I see:
> > 
> > ...
> > SCSI device sdb: 66055248 512-byte hdwr sectors (33820 MB)
> > ...
> > 
> > running cfdisk /dev/sdb indeed shows 33819.73 MB.
> > 
> > But the face of the disk (Seagate) says 80GB.
> > 
> > Can anybody shed light on this?
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > 
> 
> See you guys aren't watching.
> Where did you put the master/slave jumper?
> This disk (Seagate: ST380211  Model: 0A) does not mark the pins.
> And... I had it on the wrong set of pins!
> Now it reads:
> 
> ...
> SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
> ...
> 
> Watch out! This'll be on the test!

Hardware limiting... oh yeah, this was for compatibility issues for
older machines that would only USE drive that were 32GB or smaller.

Neato. I thought that might be the problem, but I thought *NO* WAY would
Seagate still be selling drives with this capacity limiter.

I remember capacity limiters for 1GB drives to 528MB (when 540MB drives
were the largest readable), and 2GB limiters on 3.2GB-8.4GB drives when
a certain popular OS wouldn't read any drives larger than 2GB. Then was
fixed to read larger drives, but only in 2GB chunks... HAHA.
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Re: Xen smp

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:15:56PM +0100, Sturla Holm Hansen wrote:
> Hi list.
> I'm running Xen under Etch and running an instance of Etch under Xen, the
> host is showing two cpu's but the guest does not...
> Is smp not supported in the xen-package in Etch or am I doing something
> wrong?
> 

Did you assigne the guest to more than one CPU in your configuration?
Is the guest running an SMP kernel?

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Larry Irwin]

On 12/8/06, Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
level 3)?


I change all our Debian servers (~200 of 'em) to start up in character 
mode...

That way only those who know what they are doing can navigate...
Edit /etc/inittab, change "id:5:initdefault:" to "id:2:initdefault:", save 
the file and reboot.
If, at some point, you want to run the desktop you can do so by entering 
"init 5" at the command prompt.
Enjoy! - Larry 



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Re: Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 16:02 -0500, rs wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Could anyone confirm if Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem
> ( 
> http://www.dynexproducts.com/pc-31-5-56k-v92-usb-external-datafax-modem.aspx 
> ) works OK with Debian?
> 
> Thanks

Well, a quick look at the Quick-Install PDF says it is a:
"Soft56K Data Fax Voice CARP"

In part 3. of the DX-M300 Manual.

Plus, I just D/L'd the Drivers, it is a conexant chipset modem, highly
suspicious it won't work. So my gut answer is no. Anyone is free to
prove me wrong.

If you want a USB POTS Modem, get a USB Serial Port dongle, then get a
Fully Serial Modem. It is very tough to make an External modem with a
(real) Serial port a "Winmodem" and still be capable of v.92.
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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[John Hasler]

Andrew Sackville-West writes:
> in debian, init 2 is the multi-user X mode. the others 3, 4, 5, are not
> really used.

They're all the same, actually.  The admin is expected to customize them.
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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[John Hasler]

Andrew Sackville-West writes:
> IIRC, debian puts links to *dm in run-levels 2-5. if you want it
> differently you have to change it. and maybe re-change it after some
> upgrades.

Your changes will persist through upgrades.
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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[John Hasler]

Ishwar Rattan wrote:
>
> I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
>
> The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> level 3)?

You don't have to shut down X to dist-upgrade.
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Re: gnome-cd will not play, sound-juicer segfaults. vlc has no problems

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 21:44 +0100, Leiv Hellebo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For a couple of weeks I have been unable to rip CDs, and play audio CDs. 
> Mounting CD roms is not a problem (and I am not trying to mount audio 
> CDs). I can play audio CDs with vlc just fine, but I am not interested 
> in playing CDs, I want the darned audio in flacs on hard disk!
> 
> Sound-juicer starts up all fine, getting the CD information from 
> MusicBrainz, but when I click "Extract", it displays
> "Sound Juicer could not extract this CD. Reason:
>  This CD has no audio tracks"
> Clicking ok gives:
> "SJ could not extract. Reason: Error starting ripping pipeline"
> 
> Called from the command line, the following extra is displayed:
> 
> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed
> 
> And dmesg reports a segfault.
> 
> --
> 
> Gnome-cd displays "Drive Error"
> 
> Called from the command line, it keeps printing
>  "ERROR: This CD has no audio tracks"
> 
> --
> 
> The Disks Manager found under Desktop->Administration agrees that it's a 
> _NEC  DVD_RW ND-3540A. Further it says "Audio Disc inserted", and that 
> "Play Audio" is listed under "Supported Features". The Audio CD-rom tab 
> correctly keeps track of how long the CD is and how many tracks it has 
> (but of course, clicking play calls gnome-cd, which produces the errors 
> mentioned above).
> 
> 
> I just apt-get updated, and gnome-media is now at 2.14.2-4, but this did 
> not help.
> 
> $ dmesg | grep hdc
>  ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
> hdc: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
> $ uname -a
> Linux lex 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> 
> I know a few things about computers and Debian, but when it comes to 
> external media I am a total idiot, so any help here will be very, very 
> much appreciated.

Try "grip" I have used it successfully where other have failed.

apt-get install grip

If that fails, you might have to give us the failure modes from these
programs in a more verbose fashion.

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How to Play Two Audio streams to two different outputs?

[Kent West]

We're wanting to use one Debian box to play two different audio streams 
to two different systems: one playing music-on-hold for our general 
telephone system, and one playing tips-and-updates for our Helpdesk 
phone system (for simplification purposes, you can just think of the two 
streams going to two different sets of speakers located in two different 
rooms).


I figure we'll need two sound cards, each driving its own set of speakers.

But how do I get the system to play one audio stream on one sound card, 
and a different audio stream on a different card, at the same time?


Running two different apps (or even the same app) under two different 
users is not a problem; I just need the audio to not mix between the two 
outputs.


Thanks!

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Re: How to Play Two Audio streams to two different outputs?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:42:02PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> We're wanting to use one Debian box to play two different audio streams 
> to two different systems: one playing music-on-hold for our general 
> telephone system, and one playing tips-and-updates for our Helpdesk 
> phone system (for simplification purposes, you can just think of the two 
> streams going to two different sets of speakers located in two different 
> rooms).
> 
> I figure we'll need two sound cards, each driving its own set of 
> speakers.
> 
> But how do I get the system to play one audio stream on one sound card, 
> and a different audio stream on a different card, at the same time?
> 
> Running two different apps (or even the same app) under two different 
> users is not a problem; I just need the audio to not mix between the two 
> outputs.

I know there were a couple threads about this in recent history. one
that came through just a couple days ago about using skype referenced
the earlier thread as well. 

basically, as I understand it, you have to set some module parameters
for the sound cards control how they are indexed and then set the
outputs from the two sound programs to the different indexes. 

good luck

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Re: Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[rs]

 --- On Fri 12/08, Greg Folkert wrote:
> If you want a USB POTS Modem, get a USB Serial Port dongle, then get a
> Fully Serial Modem. It is very tough to make an External modem with a
> (real) Serial port a "Winmodem" and still be capable of v.92.

By "Fully Serial Modem" you mean a modem that connects ONLY through a serial 
port?

Thanks a lot for your help.






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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Ishwar Rattan]

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Larry Irwin wrote:


On 12/8/06, Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
level 3)?


I change all our Debian servers (~200 of 'em) to start up in character 
mode...

That way only those who know what they are doing can navigate...
Edit /etc/inittab, change "id:5:initdefault:" to "id:2:initdefault:",

   ^^^
that is what the /etc/inittab entry says now and prompted me to ask here..

-ishwar


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Re: SATA PCI

[Hans du Plooy]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 18:18 +0800, Bob wrote:
> I have no experience with the PCI-E card, it's a 2 port card so that 
> would support a max of 10 drives, also it employs a different chipset 
> the sil3132 for PCI-E vs the sil3124 for PCI-X however they use the same 
> driver sata_sil24 so it should work. Update the list if it all works for 
> you.

I will, but that might be a while - there are other things to do
first...

Hans


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Re: debian and graphics drivers [was google earth and graphics drivers]

[Tyler]

This sounds like hardware acceleration is turned off for Google Earth,
but you don't experience it as slow?

Not at all. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's faster than when I use XP 
with the latest intel drivers on the same machine. Plus it doesn't 
crash, so...



Anyway, first of all, make sure hardware acceleration is on and working
correctly for other applications. Do "glxinfo | grep direct" from a
terminal. 



direct rendering: YES

Thanks,

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Re: Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 17:07 -0500, rs wrote:
> 
>  --- On Fri 12/08, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > If you want a USB POTS Modem, get a USB Serial Port dongle, then get a
> > Fully Serial Modem. It is very tough to make an External modem with a
> > (real) Serial port a "Winmodem" and still be capable of v.92.
> 
> By "Fully Serial Modem" you mean a modem that connects ONLY through a serial 
> port?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help.

Yes. Only with a truly serial external modem, can you be assured a
non-Winmodem (Winmodem being controllerless).

Though the Dynex product page says:

Winmodem (Controllerless) No

I have very little faith in it, I have seen quite a few modems claim to
not be controllerless... only to find that they classify the Main
processor (The Pentium/Athlon... etc processor) to be the controller. So
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Re: OO.org dictionary tool upgrade install. Where?

[Brian Durant]

Hi Sven,

On 12/8/06, Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 16:24 +0100, Brian Durant wrote:
> When I open OO.org and try to install extra dictionaries, I get
> prompted for installing a newer version of the OO.org dictionary tool
> and a file path prompt opens up, but I haven't got a clue where the
> app is supposed to be installed. Nothing in the dialog box that gives
> a clue. Any ideas from anyone?

I'm not a heavy OOo user so I could be wrong, but doesn't it simply pick
up the dictionaries provided by the debian packages? (myspell-*,
openoffice.org-hyphenation-*, openoffice.org-thesaurus-*)

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I don't think so, because I can get dictionaries for more languages
through the OO.org dictionary tool. I also am not bothered by being
prompted to install a newer version of the dictionary tool, it just
irritates me that there is no prompt for a default folder. You just
get a dialog box and have to guess.

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Question

[JOSE CHOMBA]

Hello, I just download the 2 image of Debian Sarge 3.1 r3 on DVD and I'm trying 
to install it in my 2 laptops, and I can't the first Laptop is a Compaq 
Presario 2100 the problem is when I boot it from the dvd, it loads, but when 
the installer asks me about the language it freezes i mean i can't select 
anyting i have to power it off, the second laptop is a Hp pavilion zx5000 and 
it start to load and boot but the language doesn't even shows i mean the screen 
comes to compleatly dark, i have to press ctrl+alt+del to start again, i have 
another version of Debian 3.0 Woody (7 disks) and in my compaq presario 2100 
boots, and everything i mean i can select , i start the linux and linux swap 
partitions and everything but when it has to copy the files it tells me that 
there is a problem with the cd, and asks me for a manual configuration or a 
mount driver, or something like i mean i can't finish the installation, so is 
there any solution to my problems ?? because i have linux in my
 desktop but i really need it my laptopsm thanks for the time.

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Re: debian and graphics drivers [was google earth and graphics drivers]

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 22:01 +, Tyler wrote:
> > This sounds like hardware acceleration is turned off for Google Earth,
> > but you don't experience it as slow?
> > 
> Not at all. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's faster than when I use XP 
> with the latest intel drivers on the same machine. Plus it doesn't 
> crash, so...

I guess LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT is some kind of work around for a bug
specific to Google Earth then. 

When I activate LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT, I only seem to get software
rendering, and that's painfully slow.

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Re: Question

[Baz]

Jose -

If either of these laptops are new, I suggest "etch."  I tried installing
"sarge" on my Thinkpad - and it wasn't successful.  I have "etch" installed
and I'm quite pleased with it.

- Sebastian


On 12/8/06, JOSE CHOMBA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  Hello, I just download the 2 image of Debian Sarge 3.1 r3 on DVD and I'm
trying to install it in my 2 laptops, and I can't the first Laptop is a
Compaq Presario 2100 the problem is when I boot it from the dvd, it loads,
but when the installer asks me about the language it freezes i mean i can't
select anyting i have to power it off, the second laptop is a Hp pavilion
zx5000 and it start to load and boot but the language doesn't even shows i
mean the screen comes to compleatly dark, i have to press ctrl+alt+del to
start again, i have another version of Debian 3.0 Woody (7 disks) and in
my compaq presario 2100 boots, and everything i mean i can select , i start
the linux and linux swap partitions and everything but when it has to copy
the files it tells me that there is a problem with the cd, and asks me for a
manual configuration or a mount driver, or something like i mean i can't
finish the installation, so is there any solution to my problems ?? because
i have linux in my desktop but i really need it my laptopsm thanks for the
time.

Jose

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 04:20:47PM -0500, Larry Irwin wrote:
> 
> I change all our Debian servers (~200 of 'em) to start up in character 
> mode...
> That way only those who know what they are doing can navigate...
> Edit /etc/inittab, change "id:5:initdefault:" to "id:2:initdefault:", save 
> the file and reboot.
> If, at some point, you want to run the desktop you can do so by entering 
> "init 5" at the command prompt.
> Enjoy! - Larry 
> 
By default, run levels 2, 3, 4 and 5 are the same for Debian, so you
must be doing some additional customization.

Also, why even have a desktop environment installed on a server?

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: gnome-cd will not play, sound-juicer segfaults. vlc has no problems

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:44:26PM +0100, Leiv Hellebo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For a couple of weeks I have been unable to rip CDs, and play audio CDs. 
> Mounting CD roms is not a problem (and I am not trying to mount audio 
> CDs). I can play audio CDs with vlc just fine, but I am not interested 
> in playing CDs, I want the darned audio in flacs on hard disk!
> 
> Sound-juicer starts up all fine, getting the CD information from 
> MusicBrainz, but when I click "Extract", it displays
>"Sound Juicer could not extract this CD. Reason:
> This CD has no audio tracks"
>Clicking ok gives:
>"SJ could not extract. Reason: Error starting ripping pipeline"
> 
> Called from the command line, the following extra is displayed:
> 
> GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed
> 
> And dmesg reports a segfault.
> 
> --
> 
> Gnome-cd displays "Drive Error"
> 
> Called from the command line, it keeps printing
> "ERROR: This CD has no audio tracks"

gnome-cd and sound-juicer both depend on gstreamer stuff so maybe the
problem lies there. try a ripper that does not depend on
gstreamer. maybe ripperx or grip

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 04:58:35PM -0500, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Larry Irwin wrote:
> 
> >>On 12/8/06, Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
> >>The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> >>X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> >>level 3)?
> >
> >I change all our Debian servers (~200 of 'em) to start up in character 
> >mode...
> >That way only those who know what they are doing can navigate...
> >Edit /etc/inittab, change "id:5:initdefault:" to "id:2:initdefault:",
>^^^
> that is what the /etc/inittab entry says now and prompted me to ask here..


that's correct and is the default setup for debian. look at the
runlevel directories and you'll see that runlevel 2-5 are
identical. You must customise it yourself if you want different
behavior.

 
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Re: Xen smp

[Sturla Holm Hansen]

Roberto C. Sanchez skrev:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 09:15:56PM +0100, Sturla Holm Hansen wrote:
  

Hi list.
I'm running Xen under Etch and running an instance of Etch under Xen, the
host is showing two cpu's but the guest does not...
Is smp not supported in the xen-package in Etch or am I doing something
wrong?




Did you assigne the guest to more than one CPU in your configuration?
Is the guest running an SMP kernel?

Regards,

-Roberto
  
Hmmm, I just used the standard scripts with Etch, thanx a lot though, I 
had overlooked the fact that I had to specify the number of cpu's in the 
config.

Again, thanx for the tip :)

Sturla


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Re: Question

[Marko Randjelovic]

JOSE CHOMBA wrote:
Hello, I just download the 2 image of Debian Sarge 3.1 r3 on DVD 
and I'm trying to install it in my 2 laptops, and I can't the 
first Laptop is a Compaq Presario 2100 the problem is when I boot 
it from the dvd, it loads, but when the installer asks me about the 
language it freezes i mean i can't select anyting i have to power it 
off, the second laptop is a Hp pavilion zx5000 and it start to load 
and boot but the language doesn't even shows i mean the screen comes 
to compleatly dark, i have to press ctrl+alt+del to start again, i 
have another version of Debian 3.0 Woody (7 disks) and in my compaq 
presario 2100 boots, and everything i mean i can select , i start the 
linux and linux swap partitions and everything but when it has to copy 
the files it tells me that there is a problem with the cd, and asks me 
for a manual configuration or a mount driver, or something like i mean 
i can't finish the installation, so is there any solution to my 
problems ?? because i have linux in my desktop but i really need it my 
laptopsm thanks for the time.
 
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I would check if CD/DVD disks are correctly recorded by checking md5 
sums. There should be a file with md5 sums in the directory on the 
server where you downloaded images from. Then, if you have linux, run 
the command "md5sum /dev/cdrom". I don't know which program can be used 
on other systems.



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Wastebasket in Gnome - Where is it?

[Redefined Horizons]

I tried to delete about a gazillion files from my user's wastebasket
in Gnome. I didn't have permission to delete some of the files, and I
could only see a "skip" button on the error message dialog. There was
no "skip all" button. I wasn't about to sit there and click "skip" a
thousand times, so I thought I'd just empty the wastebasket for that
user as root.

However, I can't determine where in the file system each user's
wastebasket folder is kept. I looked in myuser/Desktop, but I didn't
see it.

Any idea where it is at?

Scott Huey


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Re: Wastebasket in Gnome - Where is it?

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Scott.

Redefined Horizons, 09.12.2006 01:27:
> However, I can't determine where in the file system each user's
> wastebasket folder is kept. I looked in myuser/Desktop, but I didn't
> see it.
> 
> Any idea where it is at?

It exists as ~/.Trash or as /mount/point/of/whatever/.Trash-$USER, respectively.


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Re: 48000Hz bitrate Audio distorted

[Fab]

Did an "lspci" but the C-media onboard sound card wasn't listed, I
found it with "lsusb"

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsusb
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:0047 Microsoft Corp. IntelliMouse Explorer
3.0
Bus 003 Device 001: ID :
Bus 002 Device 001: ID :
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0201 C-Media Electronics, Inc.
Bus 004 Device 001: ID :
Bus 001 Device 001: ID :

Is that normal? I would have expected to find it with "lspci"

How can I check which driver is used?


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Re: recommended Debian package for burning CDs...

[Wayne Topa]

Sven Arvidsson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 09:20 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:
> > > I recommend keeping the old cdrecord and mkisofs around until k3b, 
> > > nautilus or 
> > > whatever you are using is updated to work with the new utilities. 'Twas 
> > > not 
> > > really nice of slip the new stuff in under the door like that.
> > 
> > Yes, I agree.  :-(  Guess there is, yet another, list to get on so we
> > know stuff like this is on it's way in.
> 
> What problems are you having? Please file bugs...
> 
> AFAIK there are dummy packages for cdrecord and mkisofs providing the
> correct symlinks.

 I don't have any symlink for cdrecord on this etch/testing box.  I found
 out that it was gone when I tried to use an alias I have in .bashrc
 to write a CD.  It was news to me that cdrecord had been replaced.

VT1 root-3-ETCH:~# which cdrecord
VT1 root-3-ETCH:~#

I don't. currently, have a problem with wodim since I made the changes to
my routines to call wodim instead of cdrecord.

Filing a bug report from here doesn't seem to work.  I filed 5 in the past
month, using reportbug, and none have ever shown up on the bug list, AFAICT.
I forwarded 2 to the maintainers and have not heard a word from either.  :-(
No X on this box since the Xorg 7.1.0. :-(

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Re: 48000Hz bitrate Audio distorted

[Fab]

Ok look like I found my answer, need to wait for ALSA 1.0.14

http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3925


Details for: C-Media CM6501 Status partially supported
( Audio chip )  ( Category: Audio )
ID: 0x0d8c:0x0201
Driver: snd-usb-audio
Linux-USB link: http://www.alsa-project.org/
Vendor link
Comment:Fully supported in ALSA 1.0.14. In ALSA versions 1.0.13 or
earlier, stereo 48 kHz data will be played at 96 kHz, i.e., garbled.


Based on this could assume 48kHz mono is ok, would there be a way of
forcing the audio to be read in mono rather than stereo?


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Douglas Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:26:19AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 05:23:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > On 12/07/06 11:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Did you ever write any code in the 1970's that can't be run any more?
> > > I did.
> > 
> > Shame on you for not writing in a portable language.  Go COBOL!!!
> 
> I actually did my non-surviving code in assembler for the IBM 1620, a 
> decimal machine.  I believe I had a Fortran II compiler available -- 
> that was in the days before Fortran had been standardized.
> 
> In the 70's I wrote most of an Algol 68 compiler in Algol W.  The intent 
> was to rewrite it in Algol 68 when it was done.  Conversion would 
> probably be done (mostly) mechanically, but funding ran out shortly 
> before the first comnpiler was quite finished.

I wish there was an interactive museum where old-tech guys like me could
go play with the old stuff.  My sense is that programmers of your
generation wrote tighter code than is common today since you had such
limited (compared to now) memory, processing, etc, into which to
shoe-horn things.

I'm glad you guys are taking the time to share your wisdom and
experience here.  Thank you.

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Re: Debian install to init 3?

[Douglas Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 11:07:29AM -0500, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> 
> I just installed Debian form the binary-1 CD and Internet.
> 
> The system used Gdm/Genome by default. How do I make not to start
> X-windowes so that I can up dist-upgrade etc. (I think that it is
> level 3)?
> 
Hi Ishwar,

I'm always leary of having X running when updating anything that uses X.
Unless you want to get into editing your rc.d links (i.e. a one-time
thing), you could use single-user mode. 

If you get to a command prompt you can (as root) type:

shutdown now

Note, no -h, -b, or anything else.  This takes you to single-user, no X
or anything.

If you're booting the system, its always helpful to have your boot
loader have a line that does the same as your regular linux kernel line
but adds the parameter:

single

You can then use this to boot directly into single-user mode (great for
when X is acting up.

Also, I have an init=/bin/sash entry as well for when many things have
gone wrong.  (I also have a serial console setup for when all [EMAIL 
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breaking loose).

Good luck with the upgrade; read the release notes first.

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Re: 48000Hz bitrate Audio distorted

[Stefan Monnier]

> Not sure which part of the dmesg to copy so you can see it in full
> here: http://fab621.googlepages.com/dmesg

Hmm... looks like the ALSA driver doesn't output the relevant info.
Anyway

So the way you describe your problem (48kHz sampled audio is OK, but 44.1kHz
one sounds bad) is odd.

Usually audio hardware support 48kHz sampling for sure (among other things
because it's the mandated default in w32 IIRC), and if it's a bit fancier it
may support 44.1kHz and even other sampling rates as well.

Usually this leads to problems where listening to 44.1kHz sampled audio
leads to some distortion similar to what you describe (tho I'm surprised by
your wording: it seems your distortion is much more noticeable) unless the
software is careful to do resampling properly rather than naively.

In your case the situation is reversed and I really have no clue why that
would be.  Maybe your audio card only support 48kHz sampling (it's a common
limitation), but maybe ALSA is somehow misconfigured (or something along the
way interferes) such that the software is forced to use a 44.1kHz sampling
internally, so the top-level software ends up resampling 48->44.1 while ALSA
ends up resampling 44.1->48, so when you play 44.1kHz sampled audio there's
only one step of resampling and it's bareable, whereas when you play 48kHz
sampled audio, the double resampling ends up making the distortion
sufficiently noticeable.  Doesn't sound very likely, tho.


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Re: Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[Douglas Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 05:07:15PM -0500, rs wrote:
> 
> 
>  --- On Fri 12/08, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > If you want a USB POTS Modem, get a USB Serial Port dongle, then get a
> > Fully Serial Modem. It is very tough to make an External modem with a
> > (real) Serial port a "Winmodem" and still be capable of v.92.
> 
> By "Fully Serial Modem" you mean a modem that connects ONLY through a serial 
> port?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help.
 

The gold standard by which other lesser modems are compared is the USR
(or for a while 3Com) Courier V.Everything external serial.

I picked one up on eBay with a warranty and power cube for $49 USD.
You can get them with various warranties for less on eBay but since
shipping is shipping...  (also the one I bought was in Canada as am I so
I didn't have to worry about customs brokerage fees).  Manuals are
available on the USR web site (just google for Courier "Command
Reference" )

New, they go here for $350.

Lesser external modems may also work depending on the quality and smarts
you want.  It has to have on-board smarts and not mention anything about
'winmodem'.  Note: the courier docs also talk about installing drivers
but they are not true drivers but an install wizzard thingy that windows
needs that linux doesn't.

Your best bet when getting any hardware is to get, in writing if need
be, assurance that if it doesn't work with your linux you can return it
for a full __refund__, not just a store credit.

Good luck.

Doug.




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Re: using kmail with procmail

[John L Fjellstad]

Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I couldn't find anything about this in google.
>
> I currently have a working setup I like that uses fetchmail and procmail. I
> thought of moving to kmail since it can do a few things that annoy me with
> sylpheed. Is it possible to use kmail with a local maildir folder that is
> handled be procmail and fetchmail or do I need to move everything into kmail
> (which pretty much rules it out in such a case)?

You can kinda use procmail with kmail.  Kmail store all its mail in
~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail 
I think you can use procmail to put mail in those folders. Never tried,
and I probably wouldn't do it (kmail seems to create some index files,
and I don't know how they will work if the index files and the actual
mails in the folder don't match).


Unfortunately, kmail won't allow you to point your maildir directory
anywhere (it insist on moving all the mail into its directory structure).

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Re: Crontab Problem

[Grok Mogger]

Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Grok Mogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061207 21:39]:
I tried doing something like this in the system wide crontab 
(/etc/crontab) and I was disappointed to find that it didn't 
work.  It seems like the job just never ran at all.  Can anyone 
tell me what might have happened?


(This is of course supposed to be on one line)

00 22 * * * root nice /some/place/myscript.sh 1> 
/other/place/logs/`date +%F`.output 2> /other/place/logs/`date 
+%F`.errors


Did you have a blank line at the end of the crontab entry?  


From the crontab man page:


Although cron requires that each entry in a crontab end in a
newline character, neither the crontab command nor the cron daemon
will detect this error. Instead, the crontab will appear to load
normally. However, the command will never run. The best choice is
to ensure that your crontab has a blank line at the end.

RLH




Thanks, I haven't figured out what was wrong for certain, but I 
bet that was it.  I didn't realize that was an issue with cron.


Thanks,
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