Re: Error 21

[Andrei Popescu]

"Marion School, Joe Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm a total noob with linux. I"m trying to install Debian to use as a 
> fileserver in a Windows environment. Mepis works fine, but for some reason 
> everytime I put on Mepis the KDE desktop crashes.
>
>   Debian was recommended as Rock solid. However, after I get through 
> installing it, and remove the media I get a message "Grub loading please 
> wait.Error 21"
>
>   That's it, no other input is allowed. Error 21 just blinks on the screen.
>
>   Any suggestions? I googled for Error 21, most of the hits were in other 
> languages, but of the ones I could read, they referred to installing games. 

I tried "grub error 21" (without the quotes) and got a lot of links, the
second one was from mepis.org and was about a dual-boot setup. Is that
what you're looking for?

Andrei
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Debian install and swap

[Ishwar Rattan]

The system is a debian derivative. hdb2 is a primary
partition for Linux swap. /etc/fstab has the entry:

/dev/hdb2   noneswapsw  0   0

but top utility shows 0M swap, and attempt to make it active
with swapon (swapon -a) produces the error:

swapon: /dev/hdb2: Invalid argument

Any ideas?

-ishwar


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Applying Patch to Kernel Source

[David Baron]

I am using make-kpkg to build custom kernel. I want to apply the "openvz" 
patch. Placing the command line option --added_patches openvz shows this as a 
selected patch but with no indication of it having been "applied".

How does one do this correctly?


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Re: Email programs that work.

[Andreas Rippl]

On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:50:09PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
> On 08/26/2006 11:10 AM, s. keeling wrote:
> >Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>s. keeling wrote:
> >>>mutt "lacking"?!?  And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!?  You're
> >>>an idiot.  HTH.  Twit.
> >> Ah, yes, the rational response.  Sorry, Mutt does lack.
> >>
> >> It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being
> >> restricted to the command line to get the job done.
> >
> >It's an MUA.  Use SMTP.
> >
> 
> I am using SMTP; my MUA supports SMTP.
> 
> 
> >> It lacks filtering.
> >
> >Like a washing machine sucks as a dishwasher.
> >
> >> It lacks a decent IMAP implementation.  Hint, IMAP is not a glorified
> >>  POP.
> >
> >Don't care.
> >
> >> It lacks a decent multi-account implementation.  Having to configure
> >> every
> >> single item by hand without the concept of account inheritance is a night
> >> mare.
> >
> >You have a ridiculously complicated "system" for organizing your mail,
> >and it's mutt's fault for doing what it does well.  No.
> >
> 
> There's nothing ridiculous or ridiculously complicated about 
> supporting multiple e-mail accounts. All of the _advanced_ :-P 
> MUAs support them (Seamonkey, Thunderbird, Kmail, Balsa, 
> Evolution, Outlook and Outlook Express [shudder]).
> 
And that is exactly the beauty of mutt. While it doesn't support
multiple e-mail accounts out of the box, I can use fetchmail + masqmail
(or any other mta I see fit to use) to match my needs. This is the sheer
beauty of Unix philosophy.
> 
> >> You may not *agree* with Matej (or me) but that doesn't change
> >> the fact that people have the opinion, rightly so, that Mutt is
> >> lacking.
> >
> >They're misinformed.  Start with the wrong premises and you'll reach
> >the wrong conclusion.  Mutt's an MUA.  Do one thing, and do it well.
> >
> >
> 
> I think they're properly informed. It seems that Mutt is last 
> decade's e-mail technology. Those of you who want to do e-mail 
> 1996 style, use Mutt.
> 
> It's kinda like having a web-browser that doesn't do cookies 
> or embedded video or PNG or javascript or flash or CSS or SSL.
> 
Uh, is this name-calling really needed? I could call a GUI mail client
bloated and not configurable, you can't even use it from a console
(which I am doing at the moment), but what's the point? Live and let
live. But I digress. I have to get back to my nethack session (another
non-GUI leftover from the 90s).

All the best

Andreas
> Cheers
> :-P
> 
> 
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Re: Error 21

[Katipo]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

>"Marion School, Joe Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I'm a total noob with linux. I"m trying to install Debian to use as a 
>>fileserver in a Windows environment. Mepis works fine, but for some reason 
>>everytime I put on Mepis the KDE desktop crashes.
>>   
>>  Debian was recommended as Rock solid. However, after I get through 
>> installing it, and remove the media I get a message "Grub loading please 
>> wait.Error 21"
>>   
>>  That's it, no other input is allowed. Error 21 just blinks on the screen.
>>   
>>  Any suggestions? I googled for Error 21, most of the hits were in other 
>> languages, but of the ones I could read, they referred to installing games. 
>>
>>
>
>I tried "grub error 21" (without the quotes) and got a lot of links, the
>second one was from mepis.org and was about a dual-boot setup. Is that
>what you're looking for?
>
>  
>
No.
I've got it with an install before, but it's because I did something wrong.
I can't remember what exactly, but it was something minor like
attempting to remove the disc too quickly for reboot.
I just had to do the install again, be patient, and it worked.
It didn't happen on a complicated install, just a standard all-on-one
one hard disc, end-user box.
Grub just didn't seem to 'take' for some reason.
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Printing MATHML

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

I am trying out MATHML (e.g. using Firefox and Mozilla for viewing 
and printing the "MATHML Torture Test" at 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/demo/texvsmml.xhtml), and 
while by now I have good results displaying the formulas, printing 
them does not work at all well. There are problems with "big" 
symbols (extending over several lines), like summation and 
integral signs, roots, brackets, etc.; they are missing 
altogether, printed too small, and/or printed in the wrong location.


This is rather galling because MATHML displays and prints well 
under Windows XP, both with IE and with Firefox.


Did anyone succeed in making "web math" printing work in Debian? 
With which fonts? Any special tricks? xprint or PostScript/Default?


note 1: my system uses UTF-8 by default.
note 2: I start Firefox by means of MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 firefox,
otherwise Firefox makes a complete mess of MATHML display.
This is a known bug (361183).

Regards, Jan


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Re: Debian install and swap

[Roby]

Ishwar Rattan wrote:

> 
> The system is a debian derivative. hdb2 is a primary
> partition for Linux swap. /etc/fstab has the entry:
> 
> /dev/hdb2 noneswapsw  0   0
> 
> but top utility shows 0M swap, and attempt to make it active
> with swapon (swapon -a) produces the error:
> 
> swapon: /dev/hdb2: Invalid argument
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -ishwar

I can't find "sw" in the mount manpage.

Perhaps:  /dev/hdb2   none   swap   defaults  0  0

... at least, that's what works for me.


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NetHack meets the 21st century (was Re: Email programs that work.)

[Ron Johnson]

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Andreas Rippl wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:50:09PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
>> On 08/26/2006 11:10 AM, s. keeling wrote:
>>> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 s. keeling wrote:
[snip]
> live. But I digress. I have to get back to my nethack session
> (another non-GUI leftover from the 90s).

nethack-x11 is "pane-based", a perfect mixture of graphics and
keyboard controls.

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Re: Wrong font in OOo menu

[bdoedel]

Thanks Andrius and Florian,
I have deleted several times ~/.openoffice.org2 during my struggle. And it 
was indeed completely gone, I verified that before calling OO again. My 
carefully constructed personal settings also, much to my regret, because I 
didn't want to reinstall the archived (of course) configuration till now.
But this to no avail.
I now will take the suggestion to create a completely new user and look, 
what happens there. Will keep you posted.

With kind regards,
 Peter Holm


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Re: Debian install and swap

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 05:16:45AM -0400, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> 
> The system is a debian derivative. hdb2 is a primary
> partition for Linux swap. /etc/fstab has the entry:
> 
> /dev/hdb2 noneswapsw  0   0
> 
> but top utility shows 0M swap, and attempt to make it active
> with swapon (swapon -a) produces the error:
> 
Try mkswap /dev/sdb2 _then_ swapon just in case the installer didn't
actually make the swap file properly.

You could delete it and then explicitly remake it with fdisk.

> swapon: /dev/hdb2: Invalid argument
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -ishwar
> 
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Re: NetHack meets the 21st century (was Re: Email programs that work.)

[Steve Lamb]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> nethack-x11 is "pane-based", a perfect mixture of graphics and
> keyboard controls.

Nah, that's Angband.  :)

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Re: NetHack meets the 21st century (was Re: Email programs that work.)

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> nethack-x11 is "pane-based", a perfect mixture of graphics and
>> keyboard controls.
> 
> Nah, that's Angband.  :)

Maybe Angband does what nethack-x11 does, but nh-x11 is *definitely*
picture-based.

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Re: Applying Patch to Kernel Source

[Matej Cepl]

David Baron wrote:
> How does one do this correctly?

I don't know how to do it correctly, but in unpacked kernel tree doing

zcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1

would apply the patch. Then run make-kpkg without any --added-patches stuff
and it should work.

Matěj

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Matej Cepl]

Andreas Rippl wrote:
> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I

Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability
to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by
far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine).

Matěj

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Re: Applying Patch to Kernel Source

[David Baron]

On Sunday 27 August 2006 15:03, Matej Cepl wrote:
> David Baron wrote:
> > How does one do this correctly?
>
> I don't know how to do it correctly, but in unpacked kernel tree doing
>
> zcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1
>
> would apply the patch. Then run make-kpkg without any --added-patches stuff
> and it should work.
>
I can try that.

The make-kpkg with the added_patch showed a lot of "patch.o" compiles and at 
the END, said the patch was indeed applied. So all's well that ends well 
(that is, if the thing boots up and workd ok :-) )


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Configuring Prelink (repost)

[David Baron]

(Excuse me if you've seen this already. I have not seen it nor has anyone 
responded so I'll post it one more time.)

I am trying to use prelink. The cache file is a year old and incorrect.

I changed the /etc/default/prelink to prelinking "yes".

The cron.daily script (or any other wet-run) yeilds:

/etc/cron.daily/prelink:
/etc/cron.daily/prelink: line 53:  6925 
Aborted                 /usr/sbin/prelink -a $PRELINK_OPTS 
>>/var/log/prelink.log 2>&1
/usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary 
file

Since I cannot afford that wonderful 64-bit dual core processor, I should not 
be trying to run such a thing.

How do I fix this? Blacklist all "lib64" stuff? It is around for 
cross-compiling, I suppose.

[solved] Re: fstab entries for two different pendrives?

[Rodolfo Medina]

On Saturday 26 August 2006 11:56, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

>> I have the following problem:
>> yesterday I bought a new 256 MB pendrive, that wants to be mounted
>> as `/dev/sda' whereas the other one I have wants `/dev/sda1'.
>> Now, if in /etc/fstab I put the sda entry first, then can't mount sda1;
>> and vice versa, if I put sda1 first then I can't mount sda.


Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Use udev to recognise the pendrive from its manufactures name, and create a 
> symlink (or actual device) called /dev/flash.  Mount that in /etc/fstab
>
> [...]
>



Rodolfo:

>> I forgot to say that my kernel is the 2.4, so udev is not for me - is it?


Alan:

> Why not upgrade?


Rodolfo:

> Because, very likely I should re-learn and re-do all I can do with Debian,
> re-write many howtos and packages installations.
> Hard long work.
>
> [...]
>
>> fstab alone should be sufficient to mount any device.
>> I'd like to understand *why* it can't manage two sd* devices together,
>> or what's the proper way to make it do.



Alan:

> The problem is (and one of the reasons udev was invented) is that either you 
> dynamically allocate device ids as they are hotplugged, or you have to 
> pre-allocate a device for every possible device (not really realistic).
>
> Once you have dynamic allocation of devices, the order of plugging them in 
> matters, and that prevents you knowing which is going to be sda and which is 
> going to be sdb.


Rodolfo:

> Maybe the problem might be worked out if I could change the old pen's
> device into sda as well?
> I noticed that my old pendrive can only be mounted as /dev/sda1,
> whereas the new one indifferently with /dev/sda or /dev/sdb.
> If both pendrives had the same device then I could put just one entry
> in fstab and the plugging order would not be very important.
> I do want to use both, but one at a time.
> Is there a way one can change /dev/sda1 into /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
> for the first pendrive?


Alan:

> possibly,  but this is pure speculation on my part.  when your pen without 
> partiions is in /dev/sda, run fdisk /dev/sda and create one partition on it.
 
> Then use mkfs -t vfat to format /dev/sda1


It seems to be solved now.
I'm reoprting the whole procedure.

Thanks,
Rodolfo


-
I bought a new pen drive: the old one required `/dev/sda1'
and the new one /dev/sda.
This means that there was some unnecessary partition in the old pen drive.
This created problems when I wanted to mount both pen drives
(see below), so I wanted to delete that partition. I did:

 # apt-get install dosfstools

. I canceled the `sda1' entries from fstab, then rebooted.
I inserted the old pen drive, and:

 # fdisk /dev/sda

, and deleted the existing partition with `d'.
Then I created a new one with: `n', `p', `1', and first and last
cylinder the default ones. Then I did: `t' and `6' to select fat16
as partition type. I did `w' to save change and exit fdisk.
Then I did:

 # mkfs.msdos -I /dev/sda

. Now the old pen drive required /dev/sda just as the new one.
In fstab I replaced the line:

 /dev/sda1   /mnt/sda1  vfatsync,rw,user,noauto  0   0

with the two:

 /dev/sda/mnt/sda   vfatsync,rw,user,noauto  0   0
 /dev/sdb/mnt/sdb   vfatsync,rw,user,noauto  0   0

. Now, when I wanted to mount a pen drive, I did:

 $ mount /mnt/sda

. If I wanted to mount both pen drives, I did

 $ mount /mnt/sda

for the first one, and

 $ mount /mnt/sdb

 for the second one. This order is always valuable: after inserting a pen drive
in /dev/sda, the second one will be in /dev/sdb. This is true also when using
`parted' and `fdisk', even when the devices are not actually mounted:
if you use parted with the second pen drive, you have to start it with:

 # parted /dev/sdb

, and fdisk with

 # fdisk /dev/sdb

. The above problem arised because the old pen drive was /dev/sda1,
and this made it impossible to edit fstab in a proper way to mount both.


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Re: Email programs that work.

[Ron Johnson]

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Matej Cepl wrote:
> Andreas Rippl wrote:
>> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I
> 
> Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability
> to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by
> far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine).

And that which is good about all TUI MUAs: you can still[0] read
your email if X gets horked by apt.

[0] - that is, if your email is in an IMAP store.

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:26:11AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> cga2000:

[..] 

> > Well .. I'm not sure where anyone ever got the idea that fonts
> > should look blurred.  I mean if I buy a book from amazon and I get a
> > "blurred" copy.. I send it back right away.  For stuff that you
> > glance at it may be ok, but where reading is concerned .. I wouldn't
> > do it. Your eyes would desperately (and automatically) try to focus
> > thus causing eyestrain etc. 
> 
> Sure, but in my opinion fonts on my system don't look blurred. Ok, I
> admit it. They are blurred, but very, very little. Only text in
> italics doesn't look really good, but you don't want to read much of
> that anyway (thanks slashdot for not using italics anymore!) and IIRC
> this doesn't look good with non-AA fonts either.
> 
> And if your printouts looked as blocky as the fonts in your moz.png, I
> guess you would return it, too. 

I would be slightly annoyed at the publisher not showing more respect.

But that's hardly relevant.  Screen fonts are designed to make the most
of the particular medium's limitations.

> Comparing printed documents with screen fonts gets you nowhere, IMHO. 

Couldn't agree more..!

And this is precisely why I all but stopped using proportional fonts on
a computer screen.  

Not worth the trouble.

I only find them useful for print previews.  Aah .. but then, I am not
"reading" ..  just checking the formatting.

> You wouldn't to read cyan text on black paper either. :)

Hmm.. for reading code in bed, possibly..?  

:-)

Thanks

cga


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RE: Error 21

[Ottavio Caruso]

Marion School, Joe Fisher wrote:

> I'm a total noob with linux. I"m trying to install
>Debian to use as a fileserver in a Windows
environment.
> Mepis works fine, but for some reason everytime I
put
> on Mepis the KDE desktop crashes.

What has KDE got to do with a fileserver? A server
shouldn't have any windowing system at all...

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 05:45:57AM EDT, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> >> I wish there was a good font book available.  I've done quite a bit
> >> of reading on fonts (and tweaking) but everything I have run into
> >> does not really do much to clarify the issues.
> >> 
> >> Not sure there are many people who really understand them either. I
> >> have read a few docs and often got the feeling that their authors
> >> were just repeating stuff they had read elsewhere and that they
> >> didn't know what they were talking about. 

> Have you seen the font books of Donald Knuth, author of TeX?  They are
> (1) Computer Modern Typefaces, (2) The METAFONTbook, and (3) METAFONT:
> The Program.

Thanks for helping me put two and two together. 

I should have thought of that.

:-}

Thanks

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Paul Scott]

Matej Cepl wrote:

Andreas Rippl wrote:
  

Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I



Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability
to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by
far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine).
  

I do this routinely with Thunderbird.

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Re: NetHack meets the 21st century (was Re: Email programs that work.)

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> >>> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  s. keeling wrote:
> [snip]
> > live. But I digress. I have to get back to my nethack session
> > (another non-GUI leftover from the 90s).
> 
> nethack-x11 is "pane-based", a perfect mixture of graphics and
> keyboard controls.
> 
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somehow I only get the full enjoyment from the pure ASCII (with colour)
version. There is nothing like a red @ (werewolf) creeping up to you
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Re: MP3 resampling

[Lorenzo Bettini]

Marc Shapiro wrote:
What is the best way to resample MP#s so that reasonable quality is 
retained, while file size is noticeably reduced.?


Hi

I used lame to resample mp3 but all the ID3 tag information is lost...

how can ID3 tag be preserved?

thanks
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Re: MP3 resampling

[Rick Reynolds]

Lorenzo Bettini wrote:

Marc Shapiro wrote:
What is the best way to resample MP#s so that reasonable quality is 
retained, while file size is noticeably reduced.?


Hi

I used lame to resample mp3 but all the ID3 tag information is lost...

how can ID3 tag be preserved?


I've accomplished this via mp3info -- use it to query the tags on the 
original mp3, then assign them to the new one.


Thanks,
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Re: Email programs that work.

[hendrik]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 08:45:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> >> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I
> > 
> > Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability
> > to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by
> > far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine).
> 
> And that which is good about all TUI MUAs: you can still[0] read
> your email if X gets horked by apt.
> 
> [0] - that is, if your email is in an IMAP store.

My mail in *not* in an IMAP store, and I still use mutt over sh to read 
it.  I just ssh to the remote machine, and run mutt there.

This is *really* *useful* when X is borked and I have toe dicuss how to 
get it runnin again on this mailing list.

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OpenOffice crashing in Sarge

[Marc Shapiro]

I just did an 'apt-get upgrade' and openoffice.org was upgraded from 
2.0.1 to 2.0.3 and now I am unable to save my files.  When I do try to 
save I get an error message saying that OpenOffice has crashed due to an 
unknown error and that all of my files are saved.  They are saved 
without my changes, however.


I had this same problem previously, when I switched from the upstream 
version to the debian package on backports.org.  (I thought that I had 
commented bpo out of my sources.list, but apparently not -- hence, the 
upgrade.)  There had been some sort of configuration change, so the 
solution had been to remove (or rename) my .openoffice.org2 directory 
and let OOo rebuild a new one.  I just tried that, now, but the problem 
remains.


Does anyone have a fix for the problem this time?  Is this going to 
happen every time that OOo is upgraded?


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Re: Minimum to start NFS client

[Howard Eisenberger]

On 2006-08-21, Todd A. Jacobs wrote:

> I have a box that I want to run an NFS client on, but not the server. I
> installed nfs-common, but attempts to mount result in the following:
>
> mount: storage:/mnt/storage failed, reason given by server:
> Permission denied
>
> My /etc/exports on the server seems to contain the right stuff:
>
> /mnt/storage10.1.1.*(rw,sync,mp)

I'm a casual NFS user, but, FWIW, I also get the same error using
this format in /etc/exports. I don't get it with something like

/mnt/storage 10.1.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,mp)

and the same format for portmap: and mountd: in /etc/hosts.allow

I just recently got NFS working, basically by trial and error, so 
I'm not sure exactly what is required.
  
Regards,

Howard E.


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Making Firefox use certain fonts for printing (was: Re: Highlighting and annotating PDFs?)

[Rogério Brito]

Sorry for jumping latter in this discussion, but this is one of the
topics that interest me the most (preparing documents, including for
archival).

On Aug 14 2006, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach George Borisov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.14.1338 +0100]:
> > The resulting file is _not_ searchable (xpdf and evince,) and at 28K
> > is more than twice the size of the same text being printed through
> > Acrobat (12K)
> 
> This is really Firefox's fault (who would have thought???)

I usually generate Postscript with Firefox and, then, for the sake of
portability, I convert them to PDFs with ps2pdf1{2,3,4}.

But one thing has changed from Firefox 1.0.x to Firefox 1.5.x under
Debian is that Firefox 1.0.x used to use the Base14 fonts (Times,
Helvetica and Courier, among others, with their variations), while
Firefox 1.5.x creates Postscripts that use the exact font that I use
while viewing the page (which happen to be some variant of
ttf-bitstream-vera).

So, in light of this, would anybody know how to tell Firefox to
explicitly use some given fonts in what it prints?

This way, I could generate PDF files that don't have some fonts,
resulting in smaller files (yes, I know that this is not
recommended---even Adobe recommends embedding the fonts, or, at least, a
subset of them, into the document).


Thanks for any hint, Rogério Brito.

P.S.: Other programs that still use the older engine of Mozilla (like
nvu) generate Postscript files that use the Base14 fonts, despite what I
have told it to use for displaying the page.

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Re: Error 21

[Kelly Clowers]

On 8/27/06, Ottavio Caruso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What has KDE got to do with a fileserver? A server
shouldn't have any windowing system at all...


As someone who was once a total noob with linux,
I assure you a file server does need a windowing
system. I wouldn't use X on a file server now, but if
I hadn't used X on servers in the beginning, I would
have given up long before I got to the point where
I didn't need X.

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Re: Applying Patch to Kernel Source

[Matej Cepl]

Matej Cepl wrote:
> zcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1

sorry, this should be bzcat patch.bz2 ...

Matěj

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Matej Cepl]

Paul Scott wrote:
> I do this routinely with Thunderbird.

You mean ssh -X? How fast is your connection between the Internet and the
ssh server?

Matěj

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Re: OpenOffice crashing in Sarge

[Dean Allen Provins]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:28:36AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I just did an 'apt-get upgrade' and openoffice.org was upgraded from 
> 2.0.1 to 2.0.3 and now I am unable to save my files.  When I do try to 
> save I get an error message saying that OpenOffice has crashed due to an 
> unknown error and that all of my files are saved.  They are saved 
> without my changes, however.
> 
> I had this same problem previously, when I switched from the upstream 
> version to the debian package on backports.org.  (I thought that I had 
> commented bpo out of my sources.list, but apparently not -- hence, the 
> upgrade.)  There had been some sort of configuration change, so the 
> solution had been to remove (or rename) my .openoffice.org2 directory 
> and let OOo rebuild a new one.  I just tried that, now, but the problem 
> remains.
> 
> Does anyone have a fix for the problem this time?  Is this going to 
> happen every time that OOo is upgraded?
> 
> -- 
> Marc Shapiro

Marc:

You'll find the solution at
"http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372719";.  You need a
new copy of libfreetype which as the page above says, can be obtained
from "http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/libfreetype6_2.1.7-3_i386.deb";.
Get a copy, and then do "dpkg -i libfreetype6_2.1.7-3_i386.deb".

You may have to restart OO - can't remember..

Dean

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Re: Email programs that work.

[s. keeling]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  s. keeling wrote:
> > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>  It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being
> >>  restricted to the command line to get the job done.
> 
> > It's an MUA.  Use SMTP.
> 
>  Exactly.  I would love to but it can't.

Mine uses exim and fetchmail all the time.

> >>  It lacks filtering.
> 
> > Like a washing machine sucks as a dishwasher.
> 
>  Yet filtering belongs in the client, especially if that client has
>  multiple accounts since one wouldn't want the same filters to apply to al=
>  l accounts.

Filtering does not belong in the client.  mutt's an MUA.  It calls
filtering programs to do filtering, as it should.

> >>  It lacks a decent IMAP implementation.  Hint, IMAP is not a glorified
> >>   POP.
> 
> > Don't care.
> 
>  You don't.  I do.  I rather like being able to read mail on my Debian
>  laptop, my WinXP Game machine or any machine with a web-capable browser and
>  get all of my mail all of the time.

So?  I rather like not having my mail held hostage to others'
ineptitude.  Once it's on my box, it's safe from others' configuration
hiccups.

> >>  It lacks a decent multi-account implementation.  Having to configure
> >>  every single item by hand without the concept of account inheritance
> >>  is a nightmare.
> 
> > You have a ridiculously complicated "system" for organizing your mail,
> > and it's mutt's fault for doing what it does well.  No.
> 
>  A rediculously complicated system?  What's so complicated about it.
>  Let's see, I have home mail and I have work mail.  I configure my home 
> account
>  with 1 signature, 1 POP/IMAP server, 1 SMTP server.  All the mail
>  remains separate.
>   All my home filters only apply to my home mail.  I need a work account I
>  configure 1 signature, 1 POP/IMAP server, 1 SMTP server.  All mail remains
>  separate.  All my work filters only apply to my work mail.

I have three signature files, fetchmail pops from any number of
servers I tell it to, [shudder] procmail knows by reading Received:
lines where the mail came from.  Some recipes act on some IPs and some
act on other IPs.  [shudder] procmail sorts it all into the proper
incoming folders, possibly auto-forwards crap to spamcop (among other
options), mutt saves replies to the proper storage folders, ...


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Delete part of metapackage?

[Elmer E. Dow]

Greetings:

I'm loading Sarge onto a donated computer at a school for K through 
grade 2. The hard drive has only a 2.2 GB capacity, so once I load 
the KDE and Gnome metapackages I only have about 120 MB left.

The kids don't need all of this software, but it seems that I can't 
delete or install individual programs (knode, for example) without 
deleting or installing the entire KDE metapackage. Is that correct? 
Is there a way around this?

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snd using 2nd soundcard

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

The mailing list archives of snd say that to use a 2nd soundcard for snd 
you set:


SNDLIB_ALSA_DEVICE="hw:1,0"

But that does not work(TM).

Anybody done this?

I posted their mailing list:
http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/cmdist/2006-August/003432.html

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Re: suspend to disk not work in sid?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Jeff Zhang wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Jeff Zhang wrote:

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i add resume=/dev/hda6 (it's swap partition) to menu.list of grub and
"echo "disk" > /sys/power/state" looks working well when shutdown.
However, it can't work after reboot and swap partition need to mkswap to
swapon.


Using hibernate, it appears to work on Sid but checking the logs shows:

BUG: scheduling while atomic: echo/0×0001/4394

I am not sure it is Sid related but rather kernel related. I run:

2.6.17-ck1

H




Hibernate not work in my 2.16 kernel, recompiling kernel with Suspend2 
patches should be ok, however, I just don't like to recompile kernel, if 
so I better switch to other distros, like archlinux and so on,  ;-)





Well, like I said, I do not think this is distro related but kernel 
related. When you say hibernate does not work, what does it do?




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how to add csv file to Korgnizer

[Jabka Atu]

Hello...
i have downloaded some csv calenders.
how can i add them into Korgnizer?


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Re: Debian install and swap

[Seeker5528]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:16:45 -0400 (EDT)
Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The system is a debian derivative. hdb2 is a primary
> partition for Linux swap. /etc/fstab has the entry:
> 
> /dev/hdb2 noneswapsw  0   0

The entry looks fine to me. The entry my Debian unstable system looks
like this:

/dev/hda8   noneswapsw  0   0

If you issue the command in a terminal window:

cat /proc/swaps

: what does it tell you?

If it is not mounted I would use fdisk or cfdisk to check that the
partition type actually was set to linux swap, and change it if it
isn't. And then format it with the mkswap command.

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Re: Delete part of metapackage?

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:23:26PM +, Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I'm loading Sarge onto a donated computer at a school for K through 
> grade 2. The hard drive has only a 2.2 GB capacity, so once I load 
> the KDE and Gnome metapackages I only have about 120 MB left.
> 
> The kids don't need all of this software, but it seems that I can't 
> delete or install individual programs (knode, for example) without 
> deleting or installing the entire KDE metapackage. Is that correct? 

^^^No.
> Is there a way around this?

Yes. I'm guessing you are using aptitude to manage the package installs.
If so, read on. If not aptitude, you need help from someone else.

For aptitude: Use 
apt-get remove 

Then you can remove select packages in aptitude without questions about
the metapackage getting in your way.

Also, consider getting rid of either gnome or kde. In a situation in 
which you can't afford a larger hard disk, you hardly need both, IMHO.

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 26.08.06 03:55, Steve Lamb wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > mutt "lacking"?!?  And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!?  You're
> > an idiot.  HTH.  Twit.
> 
> Ah, yes, the rational response.  Sorry, Mutt does lack.
> 
> It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being
> restricted to the command line to get the job done.

pardon? you can easily use ssmtp or msmtp for outgoing mail.
(yes, direct smtp support in mutt would be nice, but with mtmsp it's not a
big problem)

> It lacks filtering.

it supports 'l' for mail filtering. What else do you want?

> It lacks a decent IMAP implementation.  Hint, IMAP is not a glorified POP.

I know, I use mutt with imap and I don't have problems wiht it. What IMAP
features do you miss?

> It lacks a decent multi-account implementation.  Having to configure every
> single item by hand without the concept of account inheritance is a
> nightmare.

tried 'muttprofile'?

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Sendmail kept back in deb stable (3.1)?

[Stephen Loeckle]

Hi Everyone,I am having trouble since the last release of sendmail in deb stable. Is there a broken package somewhere? I'm not sure what to do at this point. Here is the output of apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade (with not going further). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!Stephen[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get updateHit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main PackagesHit 
http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main ReleaseHit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main PackagesHit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Release
Hit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/non-free PackagesHit ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/non-free ReleaseReading Package Lists... Done[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:/etc/apt# apt-get upgradeReading Package Lists... DoneBuilding Dependency Tree... DoneThe following packages have been kept back:  rmail sendmail sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf sensible-mda0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/apt# apt-get dist-upgradeReading Package Lists... DoneBuilding Dependency Tree... DoneCalculating Upgrade... DoneThe following packages will be REMOVED:  sendmailThe following packages have been kept back:
  sendmail-binThe following packages will be upgraded:  rmail sendmail-base sendmail-cf sensible-mda4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.Need to get 1043kB of archives.After unpacking 360kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] nAbort.

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- Doğrudan Gmail'in içinden anlık mesajlaşma imkanı

Tüm bunlara ücretsiz olarak sahip olabilirsiniz. Ama bekleyin, dahası
var! Ayrıca Google Talk'u da edinebilirsiniz:

http://www.google.com/talk/

Bilgisayarınız aracılığıyla arkadaşlarınızla ücretsiz telefon
görüşmeleri yapmanıza olanak tanıyan indirilebilir küçük bir Windows*
uygulamasıdır. Basit ve kullanımı kolay bir programdır ve herhangi bir
bilgisayar hoparlörü ve mikrofonuyla çalışabilir.

Gmail ve Google Talk hala beta sürümü olarak mevcuttur. Yeni
özellikler eklemek ve ürünlerimizi geliştirmeler için çok sıkı
çalışıyoruz; zaman zaman yorumlarınızı ve önerilerinizi isteyebiliriz.
Tavsiye ve önerileriniz ürünlerimizi daha iyi bir hale getirmemizdeki
yardımlarınız, bizim için çok önemli!

Teşekkürler,
Google Ekibi

Gmail ve Google Talk hakkında daha fazla bilgi edinmek için şu adresi
ziyaret edin:
http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/tr/about.html
http://www.google.com/talk/about.html

(Bu ileti içerisindeki URL'ler tıkladığınızda açılmazsa, URL'leri
kopyalayıp tarayıcınızın adres çubuğuna yapıştırarak tekrar deneyin).

* Windows kullanmıyor musunuz? Sorun değil. Google Talk'a, üçüncü
taraf istemcilerini kullanarak herhangi bir platformdan
bağlanabilirsiniz (http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).

Re: Sendmail kept back in deb stable (3.1)?

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On 27.08.06 16:46, Stephen Loeckle wrote:
> I am having trouble since the last release of sendmail in deb stable. Is
> there a broken package somewhere? I'm not sure what to do at this point.
> Here is the output of apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade (with not
> going further). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Yes, see the last security advisory about sendmail.
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Re: Debain as gigabit router?

[Erik Persson]

Erik Persson wrote:
I have heard some people saying it is possible to run linux as a 
gb-router on pc-hardware and some have actually tested it, but it would 
be very nice to hear from some more people who have tried it!

Nothing beats the real world.


Is there anyone on the debian-user list who has tried debian as a 
gigabit router and have some input?


Regards,
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Re: Sendmail kept back in deb stable (3.1)?

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On 27.08.06 16:46, Stephen Loeckle wrote:> I am having trouble since the last release of sendmail in deb stable. Is> there a broken package somewhere? I'm not sure what to do at this point.> Here is the output of apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade (with not
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Re: Delete part of metapackage?

[Elmer E. Dow]

On Sunday 27 August 2006 08:58 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:23:26PM +, Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> > Greetings:
> >
> > I'm loading Sarge onto a donated computer at a school for K
> > through grade 2. The hard drive has only a 2.2 GB capacity, so
> > once I load the KDE and Gnome metapackages I only have about
> > 120 MB left.
> >
> > The kids don't need all of this software, but it seems that I
> > can't delete or install individual programs (knode, for
> > example) without deleting or installing the entire KDE
> > metapackage. Is that correct?
>
>   ^^^No.
>
> > Is there a way around this?
>
> Yes. I'm guessing you are using aptitude to manage the package
> installs. If so, read on. If not aptitude, you need help from
> someone else.

I'm using aptitude from the command line rather than using the 
menus.
>
> For aptitude: Use
> apt-get remove 
>
> Then you can remove select packages in aptitude without questions
> about the metapackage getting in your way.
>
So removing the metapackage actually removes no program but simply 
disconnects them so they can be handled separately? How then would 
you remove the entire metapackage?

I had tried 

aptitude purge kde

and it seemed that nothing disappeared. In fact, the result of

aptitude show kde

indicated that kde (I assume the metapackage) was still installed. 
Is this because the programs that were part of the package still 
exist? If this is true, how would one delete the entire 
metapackage?

> Also, consider getting rid of either gnome or kde. In a situation
> in which you can't afford a larger hard disk, you hardly need
> both, IMHO.
>
> --
> Paul E Condon
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My thoughts exactly. I want to save some of the Gnome metapackage's 
software, but delete gnome window manager and gdm. What's Gnome's 
window manager package called? Gnome-desktop-environment, 
gnome-core, etc. all have programs as a part of the package. Is it 
possible to delete the whole Gnome metapackage, then install just 
the individual programs that I need?

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:
> Mine uses exim and fetchmail all the time.

Which doesn't count if exim's on another box.

> Filtering does not belong in the client.  mutt's an MUA.  It calls
> filtering programs to do filtering, as it should.

Filtering belongs in the client if one is receiving mail via POP, which is
a part of the client.

>>  You don't.  I do.  I rather like being able to read mail on my Debian
>>  laptop, my WinXP Game machine or any machine with a web-capable browser and
>>  get all of my mail all of the time.

> So?  I rather like not having my mail held hostage to others'
> ineptitude.  Once it's on my box, it's safe from others' configuration
> hiccups.

Which is why I use IMAP...  ON MY BOX.  Gee, I don't lease a box out on
the net to host my mail/ftp/web for nothing.  I host it so I can control
everything which includes being able to use any of my machines or any web
machine to access my mail.


> I have three signature files, fetchmail pops from any number of
> servers I tell it to, [shudder] procmail knows by reading Received:
> lines where the mail came from.  Some recipes act on some IPs and some
> act on other IPs.  [shudder] procmail sorts it all into the proper
> incoming folders, possibly auto-forwards crap to spamcop (among other
> options), mutt saves replies to the proper storage folders, ...

Yup, and as I explained while it took you several dozen of configuration
lines and several programs to do basic tasks I have one program and 2-3
configuration options.

While everyone spooges over the fact that separating out every little task
is "the unix way" they forget the equal, if not greater, unix philosophy.
Make simple things easy, make hard things possible.  These are simple things,
mutt + procmail + exim + fetcmail does not equal "easy".  Flexible, maybe.
Powerful, not really.  But easy?  hardly.

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Ron Johnson]

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> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 08:45:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Matej Cepl wrote:
 Andreas Rippl wrote:
> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I
 Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its 
 ability
 to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by
 far the best alternative of that (don't start me to complain about pine).
> And that which is good about all TUI MUAs: you can still[0] read
> your email if X gets horked by apt.
> 
> [0] - that is, if your email is in an IMAP store.
> 
>> My mail in *not* in an IMAP store, and I still use mutt over sh to read 
>> it.  I just ssh to the remote machine, and run mutt there.

If, for example, Tbird is your standard MUA, using it's mbox files,
is there a way to tell Mutt to use .mozilla/firefox/$WHATEVER/ and
for it to know what messages are read/unread, etc?

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Re: NetHack meets the 21st century (was Re: Email programs that work.)

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> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 05:55:24AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: 
> Andreas Rippl wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:50:09PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
> On 08/26/2006 11:10 AM, s. keeling wrote:
>> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> s. keeling wrote:
> [snip]
 live. But I digress. I have to get back to my nethack
 session (another non-GUI leftover from the 90s).
> nethack-x11 is "pane-based", a perfect mixture of graphics and 
> keyboard controls.
> 
>> Oh, don't get me started. I tried some of the pane based
>> versions, but somehow I only get the full enjoyment from the
>> pure ASCII (with colour) version. There is nothing like a red @
>> (werewolf) creeping up to you

I tried nethack-gnome but did not like it.  Too GUI-fied.  The Win32
version is also like that.

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Re: Delete part of metapackage?

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 05:47:24PM +, Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> On Sunday 27 August 2006 08:58 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:23:26PM +, Elmer E. Dow wrote:
> > > Greetings:
> > >
> > > I'm loading Sarge onto a donated computer at a school for K
> > > through grade 2. The hard drive has only a 2.2 GB capacity, so
> > > once I load the KDE and Gnome metapackages I only have about
> > > 120 MB left.
> > >
> > > The kids don't need all of this software, but it seems that I
> > > can't delete or install individual programs (knode, for
> > > example) without deleting or installing the entire KDE
> > > metapackage. Is that correct?
> >
> > ^^^No.
> >
> > > Is there a way around this?
> >
> > Yes. I'm guessing you are using aptitude to manage the package
> > installs. If so, read on. If not aptitude, you need help from
> > someone else.
> 
> I'm using aptitude from the command line rather than using the 
> menus.
> >
> > For aptitude: Use
> > apt-get remove 
> >
> > Then you can remove select packages in aptitude without questions
> > about the metapackage getting in your way.
> >
> So removing the metapackage actually removes no program but simply 
> disconnects them so they can be handled separately? How then would 
> you remove the entire metapackage?

It only removes the metapackage *if* you do it in apt-get or dselect
or ... Just don't do it in aptitude, command line or gui. Aptitude 
has automatic deletion of required support packages when a dependent
package is deleted as a 'feature'. It is a nice feature most of the
time, but not always.

> 
> I had tried 
> 
> aptitude purge kde

This, of course, is not what I suggested that you do.

> 
> and it seemed that nothing disappeared. In fact, the result of
> 
> aptitude show kde
> 
> indicated that kde (I assume the metapackage) was still installed. 
> Is this because the programs that were part of the package still 
> exist? If this is true, how would one delete the entire 
> metapackage?
> 

The logic is tricky. Aptitude maintains a history of how packages 
came to be installed, and uses that to decide what extra packages
to delete when you ask for deletion of a package that cause other
packages to be installed when it was installed. (Is that clear? ;-)

I think that when you delete kde using apt-get, the next time you
start aptitude, it notices that kde is gone and clears the linkages
to all the packages that were required by kde. But I'm not sure.
What I know is that somehow the link between kde and the required
packages in broken by removing kde in apt-get.

To delete a metapackage and all the stuff it dragged in, is a mess
if you did the metapackage install in anything but aptitude. In
aptitude its easy. You just remove the metapackage and all the other
stuff is also removed. That is just the behavior that most people
want, but not you, at least not you just this once.

> > Also, consider getting rid of either gnome or kde. In a situation
> > in which you can't afford a larger hard disk, you hardly need
> > both, IMHO.
> >
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> My thoughts exactly. I want to save some of the Gnome metapackage's 
> software, but delete gnome window manager and gdm. What's Gnome's 
> window manager package called? Gnome-desktop-environment, 
> gnome-core, etc. all have programs as a part of the package. Is it 
> possible to delete the whole Gnome metapackage, then install just 
> the individual programs that I need?
> 

I don't know how you can find out what individual programs are needed
unless you have them all installed. I think both kde and gnome are OK,
but together they are gross overkill, and confusing, because the user
has to remember which he used to do something in addition to how he
managed to do it. (Not the same in the two systems.) 

I use gnome strictly because of gnome terminal. It is my preferred
terminal program for running mutt which is my preferred MUA. In gnome
terminal, control-click on a URL brings up my preferred web browser.
Control-click doesn't seem to do that in any other terminal program.


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Re: Delete part of metapackage?

[Mumia W.]

On 08/27/2006 08:23 AM, Elmer E. Dow wrote:

Greetings:

I'm loading Sarge onto a donated computer at a school for K through 
grade 2. The hard drive has only a 2.2 GB capacity, so once I load 
the KDE and Gnome metapackages I only have about 120 MB left.




Then don't install the KDE and Gnome metapackages.

The kids don't need all of this software, but it seems that I can't 
delete or install individual programs (knode, for example) without 
deleting or installing the entire KDE metapackage. Is that correct? 
Is there a way around this?


-- Elmer




There are ways around it.

If you were installing anew, I'd advise you to, using 
aptitude, install only those programs from KDE and Gnome that 
you need; however, at this point, you need to remove packages.


In aptitude, you can mark those packages you want to keep 
(such as knode) as NOT being automatically installed and then 
remove the metapackages, e.g.:


aptitude unmarkauto knode ksirtet
aptitude remove kde

aptitude unmarkauto nautilus gconf-editor
aptitude remove gnome

These commands would remove most of KDE and Gnome but leave 
knode, ksirtet, nautilus, and the gconf-editor.



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Re: NetHack meets the 21st century

[Miles Bader]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I tried nethack-gnome but did not like it.  Too GUI-fied.  The Win32
> version is also like that.

Yeah same here.

I think a "graphical" version of nethack _could_ be very cool, but it
would have to be carefully and tastefully designed.  The current
graphical ports feel like they were done in five minutes while the
author was learning toolkit xyz, and they're just not very playable
(nor attractive).

The tty interface on the other hand, has been honed and obsessed over
for _decades_ (in one form or another)...

-Miles
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Re: OT: Thunderbird-win and .wab

[Welly Hartanto]

Matej Cepl wrote:

  Welly Hartanto wrote:
  
  
Why thunderbird-nix* can't import windows addrees book (.wab) file
while thunderbird-win can do it ?

  
  
Its using Outlook Express (or some of its libraries) to get stuff out.

Matěj

  

Yeah, I just found it on the Win PSDK documentation and been
playing with 
it for a while 

Re: suspend to disk not work in sid?

[Jeff Zhang]

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 i add resume=/dev/hda6 (it's swap partition) to menu.list of grub and
 "echo "disk" > /sys/power/state" looks working well when shutdown.
 However, it can't work after reboot and swap partition need to
 mkswap to
 swapon.
>>>
>>> Using hibernate, it appears to work on Sid but checking the logs shows:
>>>
>>> BUG: scheduling while atomic: echo/0×0001/4394
>>>
>>> I am not sure it is Sid related but rather kernel related. I run:
>>>
>>> 2.6.17-ck1
>>>
>>> H
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hibernate not work in my 2.16 kernel, recompiling kernel with Suspend2
>> patches should be ok, however, I just don't like to recompile kernel,
>> if so I better switch to other distros, like archlinux and so on,  ;-)
>>
>>
> 
> Well, like I said, I do not think this is distro related but kernel
> related. When you say hibernate does not work, what does it do?
> 
> 

Mostly like resume using acpi as before, it complained "Unable to find
swap-space signature" during boot, and swap partition is well mouned
after /etc/init.d/hibernate started
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Re: Email programs that work.

[Paul Scott]

Matej Cepl wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
  

I do this routinely with Thunderbird.



You mean ssh -X? 

Yes.

How fast is your connection between the Internet and the ssh server?
  
256K bits/sec.  It's not great but it works.  I know I need to set up an 
IMAP server or at least have fetchmail bring the mail to the server.


The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail 
folders as I have.  I can tell at a glance which folders have unread 
mail in them.  How would I do that with mutt?


Paul


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Re: Email programs that work.

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Scott wrote:
> The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail
> folders as I have.  I can tell at a glance which folders have unread
> mail in them.  How would I do that with mutt?

You don't.  There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap
it constantly for it to update.  There is no auto-updating new mail list.
"Because that's what biff is for."  *bleh*


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Re: Email programs that work.

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Scott wrote:
> > The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail
> > folders as I have.  I can tell at a glance which folders have unread
> > mail in them.  How would I do that with mutt?
> 
> You don't.  There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap
> it constantly for it to update.  There is no auto-updating new mail list.
> "Because that's what biff is for."  *bleh*
> 
But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you see visually
which folders have new mail and how much.  If you set your poll interval
suitably low, like 60 seconds, then it works quite nicely, is "similar"
to the t-bird layout and performs better over ssh.

-Roberto

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Re: Delete part of metapackage?

[Mark Grieveson]

My thoughts exactly. I want to save some of the Gnome metapackage's 
software, but delete gnome window manager and gdm. What's Gnome's 
window manager package called? Gnome-desktop-environment, 
gnome-core, etc. all have programs as a part of the package. Is it 
possible to delete the whole Gnome metapackage, then install just 
the individual programs that I need?


-- Elmer
I actually have it the other way around, wherein I have a few kde 
applications, but a gnome desktop.  I don't have the main gnome 
metapackage or kde metapackages installed, though.  These being the 
packages  gnome-desktop-environment, gnome, and kde.  I have 
kdebase-bin, and gnome-core.  This way, I'm not stuck with epiphany, 
evolution, konqueror, and various games that I don't care about.  For 
you, I imagine reversing these two (ie, gnome-bin, and kde-core) would 
run a KDE based system  that was functional and light.


I would suggest, using aptitude, that you get rid of nautilus, which 
will rid you of the metapackages gnome, and gnome-desktop-environment.  
For more flexibility with KDE, you may wish to rid yourself of the kde 
metapackage (which is a huge collection of other metapackages) and stick 
with kdebase or kde-core (which is a smaller metapackage.  You can add 
other stuff  afterward using individual packages).  Likewise, you could 
change gdm to kdm (I prefer gdm though, and it will work on a kde based 
system).


Note, I use Etch; so, some of the above may not apply to Sarge.  I did 
check the package directories for Sarge, though; so, I believe I've got 
the names right.


Mark


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Is this spam? (was Re: change of name)

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Or does SBC subcontract it's email service out to Yahoo?

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Re: Is this spam? (was Re: change of name)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 09:59:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> PATRICK PATRICK wrote:
> > Please change the name on the WOMANS DAY Subscription
> > #POT8300E091  6#301812 FROM MR PATRICK PLOTNER TO MRS LYNN S
> > PLOTNER AT THE SAME ADDRESS:  8300  ESSEX   CT. BAKERSFSIELD, CA.
> > 93300-2664
> > 
> > THANK YOU
> > 
> > PATRICK PLOTNER
> 
> This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Instead of going from an sbcglobal.net address to murphy.d.o, it
> seems to be coming from yahoo.com.
> 
> Or does SBC subcontract it's email service out to Yahoo?
> 
SBC provides their "Internet" service through Yahoo.

-Roberto

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Ron Johnson]

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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>> The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail
>>> folders as I have.  I can tell at a glance which folders have unread
>>> mail in them.  How would I do that with mutt?
>> You don't.  There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap
>> it constantly for it to update.  There is no auto-updating new mail list.
>> "Because that's what biff is for."  *bleh*
>>
> But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you see visually
> which folders have new mail and how much.  If you set your poll interval
> suitably low, like 60 seconds, then it works quite nicely, is "similar"
> to the t-bird layout and performs better over ssh.

Does it use the standard .muttrc, or do you have to write a new one?

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Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Email programs that work.

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> Paul Scott wrote:
> >>> The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail
> >>> folders as I have.  I can tell at a glance which folders have unread
> >>> mail in them.  How would I do that with mutt?
> >> You don't.  There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to 
> >> tap
> >> it constantly for it to update.  There is no auto-updating new mail list.
> >> "Because that's what biff is for."  *bleh*
> >>
> > But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you see visually
> > which folders have new mail and how much.  If you set your poll interval
> > suitably low, like 60 seconds, then it works quite nicely, is "similar"
> > to the t-bird layout and performs better over ssh.
> 
> Does it use the standard .muttrc, or do you have to write a new one?
> 
It uses ~/.muttngrc.  However, what I have for mine is ~/.muttngrc start
out with "source ~/.muttrc" so that I can put just the mutt-ng specific
configuration into ~/.muttngrc and then all the common stuff into
~/.muttrc.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Email programs that work.

[Ron Johnson]

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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
 Paul Scott wrote:
[snip]
 
>>> But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you
>>> see visually which folders have new mail and how much.  If
>>> you set your poll interval suitably low, like 60 seconds,
>>> then it works quite nicely, is "similar" to the t-bird layout
>>> and performs better over ssh.
>> Does it use the standard .muttrc, or do you have to write a new
>> one?
>> 
> It uses ~/.muttngrc.  However, what I have for mine is
> ~/.muttngrc start out with "source ~/.muttrc" so that I can put
> just the mutt-ng specific configuration into ~/.muttngrc and then
> all the common stuff into ~/.muttrc.

And how different is it than Mutt?

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whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Email programs that work.

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:14:42PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>  Paul Scott wrote:
> [snip]
>  
> >>> But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you
> >>> see visually which folders have new mail and how much.  If
> >>> you set your poll interval suitably low, like 60 seconds,
> >>> then it works quite nicely, is "similar" to the t-bird layout
> >>> and performs better over ssh.
> >> Does it use the standard .muttrc, or do you have to write a new
> >> one?
> >> 
> > It uses ~/.muttngrc.  However, what I have for mine is
> > ~/.muttngrc start out with "source ~/.muttrc" so that I can put
> > just the mutt-ng specific configuration into ~/.muttngrc and then
> > all the common stuff into ~/.muttrc.
> 
> And how different is it than Mutt?
> 

Check out the "differences" section: http://mutt-ng.berlios.de/

Basically, it looks almost exactly like mutt, unless you also use the
sidebar.  Beyond that, it includes some nifty patches, like the trash
folder patch, some improvements in temporary file creation and some
other things.  Their wiki page listed everything, but it just returns a
404 now.  Not sure what the problem is.  Overall, it is very nice.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: [THANKS] Unattended decompression of multiple .tgz files to a single folder

[Hank The Tank]

On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 07:55 +0200, Lubos Vrbka wrote:
> hi,
> 
> > I have a dvd-data disk. Written at its top level are 300 .tgz archives.
> > Therefore each archive has been firstly tar'd and then gzip'd. Each of
> > the 300 archives contains 2 folders ("Objects" and "Terrain") and each
> > of these 2 folders contain a number of sub-folders.
> > 
> > The tgz archives on the disk are named in this fashion:
> > e000n00.tgz e000n10.tgz e000n20.tgz ---etc> e170s30.tgz--and so on.
> > 
> > I need to figure out the command line syntax to:
> > 
> > 1. Extract *all* tgz files on the disk to a single directory,
> > say /home/hankthetank/flightgear/ so that the ./flightgear directory
> > contains the Objects and Terrain directories with the *combined*
> > contents of the Objects and Terrain directories in all the tgz archives
> > on the disk.
> wouldnt' the following do the trick?
> 
> for P in *.tgz
> do
>tar xzvf $P ~/flightgear/
> done
> 
> i don't think there should be any problem with adding files to existing 
> directory.
> 
> > 2. The same as above except be able to define a range of tgz archives to
> > extract, for example, e130s20.tgz, e130s30.tgz, e130s40.tgz, and
> > e140s20.tgz.
> if you have some regular increment,
> for P in `seq 20 10 40`
> do
>tar xzvf e130${P}.tgz ~/flightgear
> done
> 
> if it isn't regular, just do
> for P in 130s20 130s30 130s40 140s20
> do
>tar xzvf e${P}.tgz ~/flightgear
> done
> 
> or anything similar.
> 
> > I don't care how complex the syntax is for this, as it would be a huge
> > time saver against a gui (obviously). 
> so as you can see it should be pretty simple. however, i'm not sure i 
> got your query right.
> 
> regards,
> 
> -- 
> Lubos [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> http://www.lubos.vrbka.net
> 
> 
A while back I posted a query about how to unpack multiple .tgz's to a
single directory. Lubos (above) was kind enough to reply and kinder
still to work with me off-list. He suggested a script, and when I
stuffed up the syntax, he explained that to me as well. In the end, I
went with putting all the map data for a particular continent into a
folder along with script (from Lubos) with a tar zxvfC argument,
pointing the output to a set directory, and then writing that directory
to optical disk. The C argument was what I needed to create new
subfolders on the fly. Now I just go
ksh /mnt/cdrom/europe/scenery-extractor.shell
Again, this was scenery data for the flightgear flight simulator.

Much thanks to Lubos and to the list.

Hank. 


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Starting Openvz

[David Baron]

Startup of Openvz, which I assume "populates" /dev/vzdev, fails with an error 
message "unregistered protocal family 17"

Doing a grep on dmesg for such yields:
NET: Registered protocol family 17
NET: Unregistered protocol family 17
NET: Registered protocol family 17

Yes? No? Any ideas?
Should I move the startup for openvz to the very end (I have an z_OddsandEnds 
in my /etc/init.d which is linked to S99z_OddsandEnds which takes care of 
stuff like that)?


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Re: Is this spam? (was Re: change of name)

[Katipo]

Ron Johnson wrote:

>PATRICK PATRICK wrote:
>  
>
>>Please change the name on the WOMANS DAY Subscription
>>#POT8300E091  6#301812 FROM MR PATRICK PLOTNER TO MRS LYNN S
>>PLOTNER AT THE SAME ADDRESS:  8300  ESSEX   CT. BAKERSFSIELD, CA.
>>93300-2664
>>
>>THANK YOU
>>
>>PATRICK PLOTNER
>>
>>
>
>This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Instead of going from an sbcglobal.net address to murphy.d.o, it
>seems to be coming from yahoo.com.
>
>Or does SBC subcontract it's email service out to Yahoo?
>  
>
Don't know, but the gentleman seems to be a little sensitive about his
image.
Regards,


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