Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"

2002-06-25 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On Monday 24 June 2002 20:19, Ian D. Stewart wrote:

I know, pretty bad, replying to my own mail... ;)

>
> I think I'm starting to see the problem.  As far as I can tell, dpkg does
> not record the datetime when any particular package is installed/upgraded,
> and I can't find anywhere else where this information is maintained either.
>  The trick then becomes accurately determining this information from some
> other set of heuristics.
>
> Apt obviously know's how to grab a .deb given a package name and set of
> sources.  Perhaps this could be leveraged, so as to avoid reinventing the
> wheel.

After further inventigation, it looks like apt-get -d can be used to download 
necessary packages without installing them.

Colin, 

If a .deb for a given package exists in /var/cache/apt/archives, will apt-get 
-d still download it, or will it use the local package?


Ian


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logging question

2002-06-25 Thread Geoff Ludwiczak
I'd like to know about what you people use for monitoring logs.  Like for
instance, I know in Debian, that all logs are put into /var/log.  So I have a
shell script that does sudo tail -f /var/log/*.log to keep track of changes.
I'm wondering, what progams or what kind of setup do you have for monitoring
logs?  I use the X window system a lot, so I guess what I'm also asking is,
what are the best programs for keeping these logs visible?  Do you have a
transparent term or xconsole or some other root window writing program open?
I'm curious how it should be setup.  Does anyone have links on this subject?

Thanks!


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Re: Unix 101: ls with file count

2002-06-25 Thread Kent West

Wienand Ian wrote:


Chain commands in an alias:
alias dols="ls; echo `ls -l | grep ^d | wc -l` directories; echo `ls -l |
   


grep ^- | wc -l` files"
 


customize as needed
   



If you're wondering why you copied and pasted this in it didn't work but
just constantly showed you the stats for the directory you were in when you
executed it, then make sure you replaced the " (double quotes) with '
(single quotes).  Otherwise your shell will expand the stuff in between the
` ` rather than taking it literally (in general, " means everything in here
is a string, but expand what you can whilst ' means everything in here is a
string, don't expand anything).
 

Actually, it worked just fine when I copied/pasted it. I'm using bash. 
As you suggested, I replaced the double-quotes with singles, and it 
works the same. Or it appears to at least.


However, when I added ";ls |  wc -l` Total Files'" to the end, I get a 
count of 16 directories, 8 files, and 25 Total Items. Something's not 
adding up.


Thanks for the alias Robert, and the tip Weinand (and the neat python 
script from Ron); it's great!


Kent

 






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Re: DHCP client stopped getting responses from ATTBI server

2002-06-25 Thread Geoff Ludwiczak
I'm not sure if this would help any, but I usually use pump instead of
dhcp-client.  My ISP has a whole bunch of different IP blocks, and it's
strange.  If I use dhcp-client (dhclient), I get IP blocks like 207.x.x.x, and
if I use pump instead of dhcp-client, I get 64.x.x.x.  When I get an IP in the
207.x.x.x range, I get horrible routing problems, my IP doesn't resolve to any
hostname, traceroutes almost always die on the sites I need to get to.  Maybe
try pump, apt-cache search dhcp as well.  After installing pump, just run pump
-i eth0, and see if it works and read the man page.  I'm not sure about
diagnosing it though, maybe someone else could help

Cya


On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:02:27PM -0500, Alex Roitman wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had my home system on a cable modem with AT&T Broadband 
> as a provider for about a year. Everything worked perfectly 
> well, until about a week ago they must have switched the 
> DHCP server. Now my dhclient gets no DHCPOFFERS at all!!!
> 
> I also happen to have a working WinNT installation on the 
> same box. Mysteriously, it has no troubles connecting to 
> DHCP server and obtaining a lease. Unfortunately, I don't 
> know how to get more DHCP details from NT.
> 
> If I get the IP number, the gateway, etc. as obtained 
> by NT and use it to statically configure the newtork 
> under Debian then everything works fine. 
> However, it is hardly a proper way to configure a 
> dynamic host :-( 
> 
> I have been using dhcp-client all this time and I 
> did not change anything when they switched the server.
> Since it stopped working, I also tried dhcp3-client with 
> no success either.
> 
> It seems to me that the server either gives out buggy 
> messages (with which NT client copes up), or that the server 
> requires some identification (which NT client possesses).
> 
> I would be most grateful if someone taught me how to diagnose 
> the problem. For example, how do I find out the exact strings 
> my NT client sends/receives?
> 
> Trying Debian dhcping produces no response from server, 
> so I favor the latter hypothesis (identification).
> 
> Please help! 
> Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Alex
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Re: Unix 101: ls with file count

2002-06-25 Thread Kent West
However, when I added ";ls |  wc -l` Total Files'" to the end, I get a 
count of 16 directories, 8 files, and 25 Total Items. Something's not 
adding up.


D'oh! I added "ls -l" instead of "ls". When I fixed that, the count 
dropped back down to 24.


Kent




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Re: How stable is dual head, twin view feature ?

2002-06-25 Thread ThanhVu Nguyen
Hi,



> but you can tell the Matrox driver that the LCD is there
> vs a monitor and see if that cleans it up. 
> 
I am not sure what the option to tell it's an LCD is.  


> What does your config file and your log looklike?

My kernel (2.4.18) is compiled and configured manually, I did enable 
dri and matrox (mga.o) support in the kernel as modules. But I notice
that they are never needed - lsmod claims that they aren'tunused.

mga   102480   0  (unused)
agpgart15776   1 


But anyway, I am using the mga drivers from Matrox. In my XF86Conf4.
I have these 3 lines that I am not really sure what they do

Section "Module"
#   Load"GLcore" # is this needed for matrox ? 
Load"dri" #
#   Load"glx"

I have problems with the glx, according to Matrox readme, 
it should be on. But when I enable it, I can't start X. 

Here's a portion of the X log

(==) MGA(0): Backing store disabled
(==) MGA(0): Silken mouse enabled
(**) MGA(0): DPMS enabled
(II) MGA(0): Using overlay video
(==) MGA(0): Direct rendering disabled
(II) [GLX]: Calling GlxExtensionInit

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting


- From this, I can tell that DRI is disabled - why?
and something with GLX that crashed the server.




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Re: Strange mail behaviour

2002-06-25 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, andrej hocevar wrote:

> sendmail -f "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -F foo root gives:

Hi, you are using sendmail with the -f option and root is allowed to
send mail with another sender name without any X-Authority warnings ...
the -F option specifies the full name ... and if you are wondering about
the  To: undisclosed-recipients (it is set because of "action to take if
there are no recipients in the message O NoRecipientAction=add-to-undisclosed"
in your sendmail.cf file) you should also wonder about a missing
Subject line, so try simply this:

sendmail -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] -F foo root
To: root
Subject: test

test
.

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VIA AC´97

2002-06-25 Thread Björn Viggeborn
Hi!

I´m searching for information to tell me if my Sound card supports
Soundfonts. If you have this information please let me know. My
soundcard is VIA AC´97 chipset.

/Björn


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RE: AWK: adds "^M" at the end of line?

2002-06-25 Thread Schoppitsch Dieter
Maybe a small utility called "flip" can help?
Dieter

> Von:  Ramesh Pathak [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet am:  Dienstag, 25. Juni 2002 06:27
> 
> One more thing can be tried if its a pb with DOS files.
> Use dos2unix  to convert the dos files to unix  and then try this awk !!
> 
> RCP
> 
> 
> Chris Kenrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/25/2002 07:47:54 AM
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:08:34PM +1000, Matthew Dalton wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:10:15AM -0400, Abdul Latip wrote:
> > > > > What file are you trying to read.  If it is mail coming from
> fetchmail,
> > > > > there were some change which causes ^M in mail file.
> > > >
> > > > It is ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc-index.txt
> > > > I believe that that file does not have ^Ms.
> > > > Basically, what I am doing (once in a while), to get
> > > > a recent rfc-index file, and merging each rfc description
> > > > (1-3 lines) into one line. The script is actually simple
> > > > and stupid.
> >
> > The original file is a dos format text file. Dos text files have CR-LF
> > at the end of every line, whereas unix files only have LF. The extra CR
> > is the ^M you're seeing. Obviously awk (mawk?) is not handling the text
> > format properly, instead assuming it is a unix format file. Your belief
> > that the original file does not have ^Ms is incorrect. It does have
> > them, but they just don't show up on most editors. If you edit it with
> > nvi, you'll see them there.
> >
> > I'd suggest one of two things:
> > 1. If your awk is mawk, try installing gawk (GNU awk) and see if that
> > handles dos text files better.
> > 2. Convert the files by removing the ^Ms before running awk on them.
> >
> > This is basically a compatibility problem, not a bug in awk.
> >
> > Matthew
> 
> I'd add a third option.  Assuming the FTP server is configured properly,
> transfer the file as ascii rather than binary, and it should do the
> conversion properly for you.  I tested with this particular file
> transferring as ASCII, and it worked transparently.
> 
> - Chris
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Re: Unix 101: ls with file count

2002-06-25 Thread Travis Crump

Kent West wrote:
However, when I added ";ls |  wc -l` Total Files'" to the end, I get a 
count of 16 directories, 8 files, and 25 Total Items. Something's not 
adding up.



D'oh! I added "ls -l" instead of "ls". When I fixed that, the count 
dropped back down to 24.


Kent




For me, echo `ls -l | wc -l` inflates the number by one because it
counts the total  line.  Are you sure the real source of the
discrepancy isn't that links aren't counted as either files or
directories with this method?


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Re: eepic.sty amssymb.sty?

2002-06-25 Thread Johann Spies
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 09:27:02PM -0300, Luiz Gadelha Jr. wrote:

> I'm also running woody.
> I've removed and reinstalled all tetex packages with:
> 
> dpkg --purge tetex-extra
> dpkg --purge tetex-bin
> dpkg --purge tetex-base
> apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra
> 
> It's still not installing the mentioned .sty files.
> The output of 'texconfig conf | grep TEXMF' is
> 
>
>TEXMF={/root/texmf,/usr/local/share/texmf,/usr/local/lib/texmf,!!/usr/share/texmf}
> 
> quaternion:/usr/share/texmf# dpkg -S amssymb.sty eepic.sty
> dpkg: *amssymb.sty* not found.
> dpkg: *eepic.sty* not found.

$ auto-apt search -f eepic.sty
usr/share/texmf/source/latex/eepic/eepic.stytex/tetex-src
usr/share/texmf/source/latex/eepic/eepic.sty-dist   tex/tetex-src
usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/eepic/eepic.sty   tex/tetex-extra

$ dpkg -S amssymb.sty eepic.sty
tetex-extra: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/amsfonts/amssymb.sty
tetex-extra: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/eepic/eepic.sty

Make sure that tetex-extra is actually installed and if it is, try
from another source.

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Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"

2002-06-25 Thread Ulf Rompe
Hi,

about three months ago I wrote some related thoughts in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Four weeks ago I got the first and
only reply to it - must be because of the quality and my good english.
:-)

But hey, I don't give up, so here is an extract of my thoughts
*again*, still untested, but it may be a point to start:


# Backing up config files:

cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles | xargs tar czf /backup/config.tgz

# Backing up all files *not* included in debian packages:

cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | sort >/tmp/tmplist.debian
find / -xdev -type f | sort >/tmp/tmplist.reallife
comm -13 /tmp/tmplist.debian /tmp/tmplist.reallife | \
 xargs tar czf /backup/additions.tgz

# Backing up all packaged but changed files:

cd /
cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums | \
LANG=en_US md5sum -c 2>&1 | cut -d\' -f2 | \
xargs tar czf /backup/changed.tgz


[x] ulf

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Trouble starting the installation

2002-06-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
I've never encountered anything like this before, if somebody has any
ideas (except "possible hardware problem" with no specifics, I've got
that advice already...) I'd be very happy to hear them.

System:
Soltek VIA P4X266 motherboard
Pentium 4 1.6GHz
512Mb 266MHz DIMM
Maxtor 40G hard disk
PowerMagic Radeon 8500LE
SoundBlaster Live! Player
Intel EtherExpress PRO100

Windows XPHome installs fine. When I try to start the latest Debian
installation CD-ROM the following happens. The root.bin starts to load
and after 13 dots the screen gets filled halfway with colorful ASCII
garbage. If I hit enter after the CD-ROM light has gone out the CD-ROM
is read again for a while and the following two lines appears at the
bottom of otherwise garbage filled screen:

Loading linux..Not enough memory to load specified kernel.
boot:

The system does not entirely lock up, CTRL-ALT-DEL works at all times.

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mutt and maildir(?)

2002-06-25 Thread Tom Cook
Hi all,

I'm trying something New and Different with my mail configuration.
Until fairly recently I have used mutt to access an IMAP server.  Now
I have decided I want procmail, so I am using fetchmail to get the
mail, which forwards it to exim, which pipes it through procmail,
which dumps each message in a separate file in a directory named like:

$HOME/Mail//msg.3F7

I gather that this is called a 'maildir' mailbox.  I can't get mutt to
look at it, though.  The closest I could find to a tip about this is
that MH mail directories need a .mh_sequences file.  Do I just need to
create this file (empty) and then everything will work?  Or is there
some other way to get mutt to read this mail directory?

Tom
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Re: How stable is dual head, twin view feature ?

2002-06-25 Thread tvn1981


> I have XFree86 4.1.0.1 running with a GeForce 2 400MX card with the driver 
> from nvidia.com.  I haven't tried xinerama, but I do know that the GeForce 2 
> does not support interlacing.  Perhaps this is related?

I am not sure, I have many good experiences with nvidia card on Linux 
except with the Xinerama stuffs.  I guess because it's still a quite
new feature with Nvidia cards.  Hope the next driver releases would
stablize it.


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Re: mutt and maildir(?)

2002-06-25 Thread Chris Kenrick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 04:48:30PM +0930, Tom Cook wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying something New and Different with my mail configuration.
> Until fairly recently I have used mutt to access an IMAP server.  Now
> I have decided I want procmail, so I am using fetchmail to get the
> mail, which forwards it to exim, which pipes it through procmail,
> which dumps each message in a separate file in a directory named like:
> 
> $HOME/Mail//msg.3F7
> 
> I gather that this is called a 'maildir' mailbox.  I can't get mutt to
> look at it, though.  The closest I could find to a tip about this is
> that MH mail directories need a .mh_sequences file.  Do I just need to
> create this file (empty) and then everything will work?  Or is there
> some other way to get mutt to read this mail directory?
> 
> Tom

According to the mutt manual:

Mutt supports reading and writing of four different mailbox formats:
  mbox, MMDF, MH and Maildir.  The mailbox type is autodetected, so
  there is no need to use a flag for different mailbox types.  When
  creating new mailboxes, Mutt uses the default specified with the
  ``$mbox_type'' variable.


So there shouldn't be any difference.  Have you defined the mailboxes in
the mailboxes variable?  Does the "folder" setting point to the right
place?  What happens when you do a mutt -f $HOME/Mail/ ?

- Chris


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Re: Unix 101: ls with file count

2002-06-25 Thread Gary Turner
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:24:23 -0500, Kent West wrote:

>Wienand Ian wrote:

>Actually, it worked just fine when I copied/pasted it. I'm using bash. 
>As you suggested, I replaced the double-quotes with singles, and it 
>works the same. Or it appears to at least.
>
>However, when I added ";ls |  wc -l` Total Files'" to the end, I get a 
>count of 16 directories, 8 files, and 25 Total Items. Something's not 
>adding up.

You might want to use "ls -a" and "ls -al" to be sure you get the dot
files and directories eg. .emacs or .openoffice/
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Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"

2002-06-25 Thread Romuald DELAVERGNE

Le 2002.06.25 02:43, Ian D. Stewart a écrit :

If a .deb for a given package exists in /var/cache/apt/archives, will
apt-get
-d still download it, or will it use the local package?



It use the local package.
-d means not install and not force download.


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combining POP mail and mail file with local "repeating" and combining POP server?

2002-06-25 Thread Daniel Barclay

Is there any POP server that can combine the mail from another POP server
with mail in a mail file?

I'd like to have a local POP server that, when queried, queries another
POP server and looks at a local mail file, and then serves the combined
set of messages to the POP client.



Here's why I ask:

1.
- mail is delived to a mail spool file on my ISP's machine
- my ISP has a POP server
- I retrieve regular mail on demand over POP using Netscape

2.
- I filter messages from high-volume mailing lists (such as this
  one) into a separate mail file using a .forward file in my shell 
  account on my ISP's machine

- I download that mail file every so often with a cron job, appending 
  it to a new-mail file

- when I read mailing-list mail, I use Emacs RMAIL to read the
  mail from that new-mail file into an RMAIL file


3.
- I want to switch to reading those mailing list messages in Netscape.

- I want to keep downloading the high-volume messages.  (I don't want
  them to accumulate on my ISP's machine, in case I don't read mail
  often enough and they exceed my disk-space quota.  I also don't want 
  them cluttering up my regular mail file in case I need to telnet in 
  from some remote location and do a "less" on my mail file.)

- I want regular messages to remain on my ISP's machine until I retrieve 
  them from Netscape.  (I check my mail in "keep-on-server" mode from 
  work (or using telnet from some remote location) if I haven't yet 
  retrieved it from home.)

- Netscape 4.x (yes, I know...) can only retrieve from one POP server.


4.
Here's what I think I'd like to happen:

- I keep separating high-volume mail using my .forward file on my ISP's
  machine.

- I keep downloading the high-volume mail separately.

- When I retrieve mail using Netscape at home, it connects to a special,
  local POP server.

- The local POP server queries my ISP's POP server, _and_ looks at
  the downloaded mail file, and presents the _combined_ set of
  messages to Netscape.

  (Netscape at home runs in don't-keep-messages-on-server mode, so the 
  local POP server would use that mode to talk to the ISP POP server, 
  and would delete messages from the downloaded mail file.)


Other approaches that work would be fine too.

Some related questions seem to be:

Is there any safe way to asynchronously append messages to a Netscape
mail file?  Or would I need to run a command when I know I'm not using
the mail that to which messages are appended externally?

Can fetchmail download only certain messages?  (Maybe I could retrieve
the mailing-list messages with cron, and leave the remainder there, if
there's a (reliable) way to get list messages back into Netscape.)




Thanks,
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Woody+ Ximian + Evolution

2002-06-25 Thread jfcarvajal
Hi All!


I know that Ximian is supported only for potato buy I have been trying to
install Ximian and Evolution on Woody with no success and a lot of effort
and time waste. I have read

I have tried the following:
1) Woody Gnome 1.4 + Evolution ->: Always  says cannot find the Database
Shell"
2) Woody + sources.list for ximian stable ( potato) ->: A mess
3) Woody + Ximian for woody downloaded  via ftp in a local dir and then
install makeing dpkg --unpack -R and dpkg -f install ->: This install Ximian
but not evolution. When i tried to install it with dselect a lot of packages
got deinstalled and and evolutions says the same error messages as in 1.
Basically sawfish doesn`t work so when  I start the desktop it complains
about not having a  proper window manager.
4) I have followed the FAQ at Ximian for the error in 1 but Ican realize
what the problem is, everything seems Ok to me.

does any one know how to install Ximan + evolution on woody in a stable or
less prune to errors way ? is it possible?
is there  any need  to point to unstable (sid) to make ximian /evolution
work?

TIA



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sounding system bell in a shell script run from toolbar icon

2002-06-25 Thread Shawn Lamson
hey all -

here's my question:

I use IceWm which i love.  You can write shell scripts and initiate
them via icons on the menu or toolbar... i wrote one to mount and
unmount my CD-Rom.  Part of this script is to echo a system bell when
the Drive is fully mounted/unmounted or a longer bell if the device is
busy etc...  It works great when executed from a terminal window or
xterm in X.  But when i execute it via the menu/toolbar icon it won't
sound the system bell ( i assume it has something to do with echo ) ...
so far the way i have found around this is to tell the icon to open an
xterm window 

#cut from $HOME/.icewm/menu
#the first word "prog" means program ; CD is the title displayed ;
#mounter is the name internal to Icewm and the rest is what is executed

prog CD mounter xterm +ls -geom 5x3-0+0 -T '' -bg red -fg red -e
/home/slamson/bin/mounter

#prog CD mounter mounter

#end of cut

the uncommented one opens the xterm and it functions fine - opening a
"small" xterm and echoing a bell... the commented one works great too,
but no system bell.

How can i get the system bell to sound - you'll note i also use xset b
to set duration etc at the bottom of the script - without opening a
window to run this simple script?


TIA - Shawn   (script "mounter" follows)



#!/bin/sh
#shell program to mount / unmount cdrom drive
#shawn lamson 06/24/2002

set -x  #uncomment for testing

DEVICE=/dev/scd0
MOUNT_PT=/cdrom
STATUS=ON
ERROR=' ERROR: mount or remount manually'

#
#   this program could grep the fields of /etc/fstab to find
devices but doesnt
#   it assumes /cdrom as mount point and my current device
/dev/scd0
#

if  ! grep "$MOUNT_PT" /etc/fstab
then
echo -e "Device $DEVICE is not set to mount in /etc/fstab\a"
echo $ERROR
exit 1
fi

if  grep "$DEVICE" /etc/mtab
then
STATUS=ON
else
STATUS=OFF
fi

if [ $STATUS = ON ]
then
umount "$DEVICE" && cdcd open && echo -e "\a" && exit 0
#
#   this will fail if device is busy
#   should drop down to echo bell
#

elif [ $STATUS = OFF ]
then
cdcd close
mount /cdrom
echo -e "\a"#indicate CD is ready
exit 0
else
echo $ERROR
echo "You may want to examine the output of #cat /etc/fstab"
echo "and #cat /etc/mtabfor clues"
exit 1
fi
#
#this bell will execute if all else fails - for example device $DEVICE
is busy
#
echo "is device:$DEVICE busy?"
xset b 100 700 1000 #set bell vol pitch duration
echo -e "\a"
xset b  #sets bell back to defaults
set +x  #uncomment for testing



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Re: exim, auth, pam, solutions

2002-06-25 Thread Mike Mimic
Hi!

> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 07:19:20AM -0700, Mike Mimic
> wrote:
> > But won't that broke the use of "shadow" group?
> > Than programs which use that won't be able to read
> > it.
> 
> I realised it, tried the group shadow attempt again
> and reset ownership. 
> For whatever odd reason, I had to reboot to get it
> to work right that
> way.

Really? Thanks. I will try it. So I set permissions
back
and add to user mail shadow as alternative group and
reset the computer?


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Re: mutt and maildir(?)

2002-06-25 Thread Bob Proulx
> I'm trying something New and Different with my mail configuration.

Oh boy!  Life on the edge.  :-)

> Until fairly recently I have used mutt to access an IMAP server.  Now
> I have decided I want procmail, so I am using fetchmail to get the
> mail, which forwards it to exim, which pipes it through procmail,
> which dumps each message in a separate file in a directory named like:
> 
> $HOME/Mail//msg.3F7

The directory is named msg.3F7 or the file in the directory?  That
looks like what procmail names things when it puts them in its own dir
format not Maildir format.  Please show us your .procmailrc rule.  But
I think you left off the trailing /.  Here is my rule for debian-user
for comparison.

:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user/

I can't remember if you need to create the subdirs or not.  To make
sure this works, make those directories first.

  mkdir -p debian-user/{cur,new,tmp}

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dhcpd.leases stays empty

2002-06-25 Thread Andreas Eichner

Hi list,

I've got some trouble with the dhcpd-2.2.x (package is dhcp)from Woody 
(on 2.4.18). It assigns IP addresses in a correct manner but 
/var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases stays empty. Does anyone know why this could 
be?
  I use fixed addresses, so I use entries like...

host Aurora {
option host-name "Aurora.villa-grunert.dyndns.org";
hardware ethernet 00:04:AC:E6:CA:B8;
fixed-address 192.168.0.2;
}

...and ps aux shows...

/usr/sbin/dhcpd-2.2.x -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases -q eth0

I couldn't find any option which explicitly enables the use of 
dhcpd.leases.

Any help and/or suggestions welcome.


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PAM not working reliably

2002-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
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So why is it if I have /etc/shadow owned by root:shadow, group has read
access, and mail in the shadow group, exim can't authenticate through
PAM.  If I chown /etc/shadow to root:mail, it works...WTF?

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Re: backup all the changes I made to the "virgin debian system"

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
[No need to cc me; I read the list.]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 08:43:38PM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote:
> After further inventigation, it looks like apt-get -d can be used to download 
> necessary packages without installing them.
> 
> Colin, 
> 
> If a .deb for a given package exists in /var/cache/apt/archives, will apt-get 
> -d still download it, or will it use the local package?

I believe it'll use the local package, assuming that it has the expected
size and md5sum. I don't often use -d, mind you.

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upgrading potato to woody by CD (fwd)

2002-06-25 Thread H C Pumphrey

Hi All, 

I asked this in Debian-CD and no-one seemed to know, so I thought I'd ask
the wider commmunity and see if anyone else had seen the same thing.

A month or so ago, Marcin Wolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've tried to upgrade a Potato system to Woody using the 3.0pre6
> version of Debian CDs, but it failed miserably.
[snip details]
> and after getting to some 50% it displayed:
>   E: Internal Error, Could not configure a pre-depend

Now, I have tried to upgrade a potato box using the "unofficial" CD images 
with much the same result. (Before anyone says I should upgrade over the
network, the box in quesiton has no network card and lives a long way from
the nearest ethernet socket. The CD burner is more happily located.)
Following the thread, I find that :

Michael Knoop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:

> I had exactly the same problem.  When I ran "apt-get --simulate install
> dpkg apt debconf" it showed problem packages in square brackets after
> packages it was "installing".  Using this information, and stumbling
> around for awhile, I finally found that running "apt-get remove libdb2"
> began a rather extensive upgrade process that fixed things so I could
> continue with the first step of "apt-get dpkg apt debconf" as before.
> By the way, the extensive upgrade process actually reinstalled libdb2
> after it removed it. Weird, huh?

I tried this, and in my case it didn't work -- I got the 
 E: Internal Error, Could not configure a pre-depend
message again. 

I considered removing libdb2 from the potato system before introducing the
CDs to it, but it issued awful warnings about the importance of libdb2, so
I didn't proceed. 

Now, the release notes mutter about installing statically-linked versions
of apt and dpkg, but only if you are upgrading from slink. Neither the
woody cds nor the woody archives seem to contain these, so I couldn't try
that. 

Any other suggestions? The CD contains reasonable-looking contents and
boots OK, so the burn wasn't a total failure. I have not tried a clean
install from the disc yet as I don't have a scratch machine. 

many TIA, 

Hugh


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Re: logging question

2002-06-25 Thread Christian Schoenebeck
> I'm wondering, what progams or what kind of setup do you have for
monitoring
> logs?  I use the X window system a lot, so I guess what I'm also asking
is,
> what are the best programs for keeping these logs visible?  Do you have a
> transparent term or xconsole or some other root window writing program
open?

what about

watch tail some.log

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Re: logging question

2002-06-25 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Geoff Ludwiczak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020624 22:11]:
> I'd like to know about what you people use for monitoring logs.  Like
> for instance, I know in Debian, that all logs are put into /var/log.
> So I have a shell script that does sudo tail -f /var/log/*.log to keep
> track of changes.  I'm wondering, what progams or what kind of setup
> do you have for monitoring logs?  I use the X window system a lot, so
> I guess what I'm also asking is, what are the best programs for
> keeping these logs visible?  Do you have a transparent term or
> xconsole or some other root window writing program open?  I'm curious
> how it should be setup.  Does anyone have links on this subject?

Logcheck is awesome. You specify regexes for things that are "normal",
and it emails you if anything else shows up.

Also, if you're in X a lot and want to keep an eye on things, look at
xconsole.

good times,
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Re: Centralized /etc/passwd ?

2002-06-25 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Paladin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020624 16:00]:
> On 24 Jun 2002 15:01:47 -0500
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  I've heard that NIS isn't very robust.  Might LDAP be a better
> >  choice?  Or is there an important integration between NIS & NFS?
> 
> Funny... I think I've heard something about NFS being kind of
> "old"... I may be wrong though! :/
> 
> NIS & LDAP... I'm on the good track now! Thanks everyone! =)
> 
> BTW, what's more secure? Putting everything in the firewall PC or on

The general answer to this is that it's more secure to keep your
firewall machine as minimal as possible. The less it has on it, the
fewer possible holes there are.

> any other one that's inside the firewall? Another thing (I haven't
> got the time to read the documentation, I'm sorry...), can the root
> account be centralized too?

I don't know about this, but I'd urge that your firewall machine have
nothing to do with it: it should have its own local root account and
(probably) one local user account, and that's all. This is, of course,
idealism, and assumes that you have servers (or at least a server) to
spare. In my home network, I only have one always-on machine, so its
duties are slightly more expanded than the paranoid firewall should be.
Even with just one extra machine, it's easy to make one a stripped-down
firewall-only box and the other your all-serving internal box (which can
also run dmz-type services, such as web, mail, etc. via DNAT).

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Re: combining POP mail and mail file with local "repeating" and combining POP server?

2002-06-25 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 11:31:06PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Is there any POP server that can combine the mail from another POP server
> with mail in a mail file?
> 
> I'd like to have a local POP server that, when queried, queries another
> POP server and looks at a local mail file, and then serves the combined
> set of messages to the POP client.

Mail administration is not my area of expertise, but here are some
thoughts/suggestions:

Why not ISP->fetchmail->exim->[procmail->~/mail->]local IMAP->netscape?

I thought netscape 4 had IMAP support, doesn't it?

> Here's why I ask:
> 
> 1.
> - mail is delived to a mail spool file on my ISP's machine
> - my ISP has a POP server
> - I retrieve regular mail on demand over POP using Netscape
>
>
> 2.
> - I filter messages from high-volume mailing lists (such as this
>   one) into a separate mail file using a .forward file in my shell 
>   account on my ISP's machine
> 
> - I download that mail file every so often with a cron job, appending 
>   it to a new-mail file
> 
> - when I read mailing-list mail, I use Emacs RMAIL to read the
>   mail from that new-mail file into an RMAIL file
> 
> 
> 3.
> - I want to switch to reading those mailing list messages in Netscape.
> 
> - I want to keep downloading the high-volume messages.  (I don't want
>   them to accumulate on my ISP's machine, in case I don't read mail
>   often enough and they exceed my disk-space quota.  I also don't want 
>   them cluttering up my regular mail file in case I need to telnet in 
>   from some remote location and do a "less" on my mail file.)

procmail will keep things apart, but if you are limited to one POP
account, then I don't think POP3 will be useful here. Only by using
IMAP (or several POP accounts) you can keep mail sorted on the server
side.

> - I want regular messages to remain on my ISP's machine until I
> retrieve them from Netscape. (I check my mail in "keep-on-server"
> mode from work (or using telnet from some remote location) if I
> haven't yet retrieved it from home.)
> 
> - Netscape 4.x (yes, I know...) can only retrieve from one POP server.
> 
> 
> 4.
> Here's what I think I'd like to happen:
> 
> - I keep separating high-volume mail using my .forward file on my ISP's
>   machine.
> 
> - I keep downloading the high-volume mail separately.
> 
> - When I retrieve mail using Netscape at home, it connects to a special,
>   local POP server.
> 
> - The local POP server queries my ISP's POP server, _and_ looks at
>   the downloaded mail file, and presents the _combined_ set of
>   messages to Netscape.

Let fetchmail regurlary fetch that mail from ISP to your local box,
perhaps via cron.

>   (Netscape at home runs in don't-keep-messages-on-server mode, so the 
>   local POP server would use that mode to talk to the ISP POP server, 
>   and would delete messages from the downloaded mail file.)
> 
> 
> Other approaches that work would be fine too.
> 
> Some related questions seem to be:
> 
> Is there any safe way to asynchronously append messages to a Netscape
> mail file?  Or would I need to run a command when I know I'm not using
> the mail that to which messages are appended externally?

When you use netscape to read your mail, it connects to local POP,
"downloads" the messages and then displays them. So netscape is always
operating on a copy of what the POP server actually got. There can be
no lock problems as far as netscape is concerned, as I understand
things.

> Can fetchmail download only certain messages?  (Maybe I could retrieve
> the mailing-list messages with cron, and leave the remainder there, if
> there's a (reliable) way to get list messages back into Netscape.)

What is the point in not having all mail transfered immediately (or by
cron/fetcmail) to your local POP?

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downgrading packages?

2002-06-25 Thread James Nord

Hi,

I use testing and I upgraded the apache-ssl server after the recent 
security alert.  But since this I have some PHP scripts that are doing 
wierd[1] things.  I may have also upgraded other things at the same time 
but I don't recall updating PHP.  Is there any way to install an older 
package version of apache-ssl to see if it was this package that broke 
things?  if so how would I do it?


Regards,

  /James

[1] I have a download script but downloaded files get corrupted.  If I 
take the same snippet of download code and put it in a minimilist script 
then everything works.  I also tried placing a 1MB file (containing 
"A"'s) to download but nothing is output by the server although the 
readfile() returns 1048576...



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Re: PAM not working reliably

2002-06-25 Thread Crispin Wellington
On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 16:39, Paul Johnson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> So why is it if I have /etc/shadow owned by root:shadow, group has read
> access, and mail in the shadow group, exim can't authenticate through
> PAM.  If I chown /etc/shadow to root:mail, it works...WTF?

PAM (running at the user level exim is running at) cannot read the
/etc/shadow file. Put the user exim is running at, as a member of group
shadow (edit /etc/group and add the username after the last : on the
shadow entry line).

Restart exim and PAM running at that userlevel should be able to read
shadow. 

Personally I don't use shadow auth and have PAM set to authenticate
against a remote server, so there's none of those permission problems.

If this is a bad idea, someone post to the list (fooling with
/etc/shadow's permissions is always a bad idea)

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Re: Centralized /etc/passwd ?

2002-06-25 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 02:05:38AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Paladin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020624 16:00]:
...
> > BTW, what's more secure? Putting everything in the firewall PC or on
> 
> The general answer to this is that it's more secure to keep your
> firewall machine as minimal as possible. The less it has on it, the
> fewer possible holes there are.

The more liberal stance would be to have no external services open on
the firewall (blocking them at the ip level), and run only a few local
only services that you really can't live without on the firewall.

 
...
> spare. In my home network, I only have one always-on machine, so its
> duties are slightly more expanded than the paranoid firewall should be.
> Even with just one extra machine, it's easy to make one a stripped-down
> firewall-only box and the other your all-serving internal box (which can
> also run dmz-type services, such as web, mail, etc. via DNAT).

IMHO it's stupid to mix dmz-type services with local only services as the
point of DMZ is to shield your own network and your firewall from the
hostile net. I really believe it's better to have the DMZ machine do
DMZ services only, and lacking an extra server to put the local only
services on the firewall. The change of breaking in into the firewall
seems less than the chance of breaking in into the DMZ with all it's
flacky services running.


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Enhanced Real Time Clock Support?

2002-06-25 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Hello,

In the kernel configuratioin, I found a description in the help page of
SMP support.

People using multiprocessor machines who say Y here should also say x
  x Y to "Enhanced Real Time Clock Support", below. The "Advanced Power x
  x Management" code will be disabled if you say Y here.   



My question is, where is the "Enhanced Real Time Clock Support"? How can
I enable it in the kernel configuration?


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Perl, Apache and Berkley db

2002-06-25 Thread Danie Roux
We use a commercial web based application written in Perl. They only
support RedHat. No problem says I, it should work fine on Debian.
Bummer:

The application comes bundled with Apache. There are httpd.bdb, httpd.db
and httpd.dbm. The one that gets installed gets decided by a perl script
that tests NDBM_File, GDBM_File and DB_File. Only NDBM succeeds. 

When I create a user in the app, users.dir and users.pag files gets created 
instead of users.db

So then in the error log I get:

No such file or directory: could not open dbm auth file: users.db

Any clues? I think I want to use the Berkley v2 libs?

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Re: sounding system bell in a shell script run from toolbar icon

2002-06-25 Thread Shawn Lamson

--- Shawn Lamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey all -
> 
> here's my question:
> 
---snip
> busy etc...  It works great when executed from a terminal window or
> xterm in X.  But when i execute it via the menu/toolbar icon it won't
> sound the system bell ( i assume it has something to do with echo )
> ...
> so far the way i have found around this is to tell the icon to open
> an
> xterm window 
---snip 
now i am echoing a CTRL-G to a /tmp/sound$$ file and then catting it -
it works!  But let me know if there is a better way that you know of.

PS.  Yes - i also found utilities like "eject" "eject -t" and "cdchk"
to help out!
Thanks

  
> #cut from $HOME/.icewm/menu
> #the first word "prog" means program ; CD is the title displayed ;
> #mounter is the name internal to Icewm and the rest is what is
> executed
> 
> prog CD mounter xterm +ls -geom 5x3-0+0 -T '' -bg red -fg red -e
> /home/slamson/bin/mounter
> 
> #prog CD mounter mounter
> 
> #end of cut
> 
> the uncommented one opens the xterm and it functions fine - opening a
> "small" xterm and echoing a bell... the commented one works great
> too,
> but no system bell.
> 
> How can i get the system bell to sound - you'll note i also use xset
> b
> to set duration etc at the bottom of the script - without opening a
> window to run this simple script?
> 
> 
> TIA - Shawn   (script "mounter" follows)
> 
> 
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> #shell program to mount / unmount cdrom drive
> #shawn lamson 06/24/2002
> 
> set -x  #uncomment for testing
> 
> DEVICE=/dev/scd0
> MOUNT_PT=/cdrom
> STATUS=ON
> ERROR=' ERROR: mount or remount manually'
> 
> #
> #   this program could grep the fields of /etc/fstab to find
> devices but doesnt
> #   it assumes /cdrom as mount point and my current device
> /dev/scd0
> #
> 
> if  ! grep "$MOUNT_PT" /etc/fstab
> then
> echo -e "Device $DEVICE is not set to mount in /etc/fstab\a"
> echo $ERROR
> exit 1
> fi
> 
> if  grep "$DEVICE" /etc/mtab
> then
> STATUS=ON
> else
> STATUS=OFF
> fi
> 
> if [ $STATUS = ON ]
> then
> umount "$DEVICE" && cdcd open && echo -e "\a" && exit 0
> #
> #   this will fail if device is busy
> #   should drop down to echo bell
> #
> 
> elif [ $STATUS = OFF ]
> then
> cdcd close
> mount /cdrom
> echo -e "\a"#indicate CD is ready
> exit 0
> else
> echo $ERROR
> echo "You may want to examine the output of #cat /etc/fstab"
> echo "and #cat /etc/mtabfor clues"
> exit 1
> fi
> #
> #this bell will execute if all else fails - for example device
> $DEVICE
> is busy
> #
> echo "is device:$DEVICE busy?"
> xset b 100 700 1000 #set bell vol pitch duration
> echo -e "\a"
> xset b  #sets bell back to defaults
> set +x  #uncomment for testing


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XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
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nbd and md

2002-06-25 Thread Martin Hermanowski
Moin,
I got a problem a software-raid 1 (mirror), where one device is a local
disk and the other a network block device. If i disconnect (nbd-client
-d) the nbd, everything works flawlessly, if the network between the two
machines is up. But if the connection is broken and I try to disconnect
the nbd-client, the command hangs for about 50s, and processes working on
the md-device (namely smbd) get i/o-errors.

I want the nbd to fail when the network is down, without any errors and
without such a long timeout. How could I achieve this? Is there a way to
tell the nbd-client that the tcp-connection has gone?

Regards,
Martin


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Re: Enhanced Real Time Clock Support?

2002-06-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patrick Hsieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.06.25.1159 +0200]:
> People using multiprocessor machines who say Y here should also say x
>   x Y to "Enhanced Real Time Clock Support", below. The "Advanced Power x
>   y Management" code will be disabled if you say Y here.   

"Console Drivers" in xconfig/menuconfig

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Devices conflict & modconf

2002-06-25 Thread Xavier de Labouret

Hi,

I recently had a conflict between my webcam (Logitech 3000 Pro), and my
SB 128 sound card. I wonder if i should file a bug report against modconf
(i am using Debian Woody) because of it.

The trouble was that i had no sound at all, even if i asked the right modules
to load.

After some investigations, it appeared that my webcam has a microphone in
it, handled by the 'usbaudio' module. And this module reclaimed
/dev/audio, because it was loaded before 'es1371'.

So 'cat file.au > /dev/audio' wad handled by my poor microphone! My SB
was associated to /dev/audio1.

Changing the modules order in /etc/modules worked fine.


The module loading order is handled by modconf for me. I know that
modconf includes options to manipulate the modules loading order.

But i think it would be much better, if, by default, it loaded OSS and
ALSA modules before usbaudio. 'By default' meaning, at least, if no
parameter is given to modconf to change the modules loading order.

Just because sound programs rarely expect your soundcard to be handled
by /dev/audio1.

Is this the cleanest solution to preventing problems like mine to happen?
If so, should i file a bug against modconf?

Thank you in advance,

Xavier de Labouret


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Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?

2002-06-25 Thread christophe barbé
You already got enough reply about sorting, so :

Could you avoid posting to a mailing list by doing a reply to a current
thread and changing the subject ? I don't know for pine but on MUA able
to display the threads, it's boring to see a thread in another simply
because you can type the ml address by yourself or save it in your
address book.

Christophe

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:30:27PM -0400, Thomas Good wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Why have we no subject prefix on postings, ala "[Debian Users]"
> to use for sorting... ???
> 
> Thanks!
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make-kpkg problem

2002-06-25 Thread Joel

i tried to compile package a custom built kernel and encountered this error.

- - - - - - - start

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux$ make-kpkg clean
dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table
rm -f modules/modversions.h modules/ksyms.ver debian/files stamp-build 
stamp-configure stamp-source stamp-image stamp-headers stamp-src stamp-diff 
stamp-doc stamp-buildpackage stamp-libc-kheaders stamp-debian
test ! -f .config || cp -pf .config config.precious
test -f Makefile && /usr/bin/make  ARCH=i386-none distclean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux'
Makefile:247: arch/i386-none/Makefile: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/i386-none/Makefile'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux'
make: [clean] Error 2 (ignored)
test ! -f config.precious || mv -f config.precious .config
rm -rf debian/tmp-source debian/tmp-headers debian/tmp-image
test -f stamp-building || test -f debian/official || rm -rf debian

- - - end
$ make-kpkg -version

Version: $Revision: 1.39.2.1 $
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

$ uname -a
Linux platinum 2.5.6 #1 Thu Mar 21 12:51:54 PHT 2002 i686 unknown




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send and receive mail through eth1

2002-06-25 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
I need to setup a machine to be on an internal lan on eth0, but connect
to another gateway on eth1 to collect mail. Both eth0 and eth1 are
running in trusted network environments.

I have looked at the exim and fetchmail man pages, but don't see any
obvioius options for setting them to use (say) interface eth1.

I'd be grateful to know what I need to do to get this going.

Thanks
Rory

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Thread stealing [was Re: [ Debian Users ] Subject Prefix ?]

2002-06-25 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 07:41:42AM -0400, christophe barbé wrote:
> Could you avoid posting to a mailing list by doing a reply to a current
> thread and changing the subject ? I don't know for pine but on MUA able
> to display the threads, it's boring to see a thread in another simply
> because you can type the ml address by yourself or save it in your
> address book.

Agreed. It makes it harder than it ought to be to manage this
high-volume list (Deleting a whole thread is very convenient, but
thread stealing undo the gain of an intelligent MUA).

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Re: PAM not working reliably

2002-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 05:19:59PM +0800, Crispin Wellington wrote:

> > So why is it if I have /etc/shadow owned by root:shadow, group has read
> > access, and mail in the shadow group, exim can't authenticate through
> > PAM.  

> PAM (running at the user level exim is running at) cannot read the
> /etc/shadow file. Put the user exim is running at, as a member of group
> shadow (edit /etc/group and add the username after the last : on the
> shadow entry line).

I tried that.  It doesn't work.  Read what I wrote...8:o)

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Re: make-kpkg problem

2002-06-25 Thread Ulf Rompe
Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> i tried to compile package a custom built kernel and encountered
> this error.
[...]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux$ make-kpkg clean
> dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table

Your architecture seems to be misrecognized. If you aren't able to
figure out why, you may want to force a correct name by setting it
yourself: 

make-kpkg --arch i386 clean

This is normally used for cross compiling. Of course it would be
better to find the real reason for your problem.

[x] ulf

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first installation,cannot find default font

2002-06-25 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello,

I try to install Debian on my machine. At the end I have to configure mouse,
keyboard, video,..  After that is a test witch failed with the following error:

Fatal server error:
Could not open default font 'fixed'

Does this means I have to download/install fonts separately ?  The only 'font'
thing that I remember in the questions was if I wanted 75 or 100 dpi fonts (I
selected both). Or did I do something teribely wrong ?

note that this is my first experiance with linux, so please be patience ;-)

rgds, Wilfried


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Re: send and receive mail through eth1

2002-06-25 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> I need to setup a machine to be on an internal lan on eth0, but connect
> to another gateway on eth1 to collect mail. Both eth0 and eth1 are
> running in trusted network environments.
> 
> I have looked at the exim and fetchmail man pages, but don't see any
> obvioius options for setting them to use (say) interface eth1.

Dealing with eth1 et al is the job of the kernel, for applications
like exim and fetchmail, just specify the network info they need (for
fetchmail what hosts to query, for exim what domains are local etc),
and it work automatically.

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hpoj package

2002-06-25 Thread Marc De Leenheer
Hello all,

I have a HP LaserJet 1220 printer for which I have installed the hpoj
package. The printer is connected to the parallel port. Everything seems to
work fine (e.g. ptal-hp mlc:par:0 device or display works perfectly), and
printing is no problem either. But when executing

ptal-hp mlc:par:0 scan (with or without extra options),

it gives me the following error(s):

Error 0x83 setting upload state!
Error 0x83 setting upload state!

One important thing to add is that I recently upgraded from potato to woody.
In potato I had installed the source package and then it worked flawlessly
(no hpoj-deb package in potato). I did however properly remove the package,
before installing it from .deb in woody.

Has anyone experienced the same behaviour?

Thanks in advance,

marc


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Re: SSH stopped working

2002-06-25 Thread Randolph S. Kahle

> is there a sshd (the server daemon) runing at the other side? Are you
> sure? 
> 
> 

Thank you for the reply.

Yes, I am sure sshd is running on the other side. Other computers can
use ssh to attach to the machine.

Randy


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apache + apache-ssl

2002-06-25 Thread Jan Johansson
Installing the .23 apache removed my apache-ssl, no worries since it was a lab 
system, but uhm.. how do i proceed if i _want_ apache and apache-ssl on the 
same rig?


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SSH stuff... (from slashdot)

2002-06-25 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
Is this true?

-Forward
The privilege separation code in OpenSSH 3.3 does not work with 2.2 Linux
kernels.

It relies on mmap() semantics that aren't supported before kernel 2.4 (maybe
2.3.x). OpenSSH will configure, compile, and install successfully. It will
start up, but it will NOT accept connections.

Your clients will get a "broken pipe" message, your syslog will get an
"mmap: invalid parameter" message.

The solutions are:
Upgrade to kernel 2.4 or higher.

Don't compile in Privilege Separation.

You might be able to compile privsep in and disable it, but I couldn't get
this to work. Maybe I had a typo in my config file. I dunno.



I didn't see this anywhere until I dug into my syslog and then the OpenSSH
mailing list. You have been warned.

If you do have kernel 2.4, you should read README.privsep in the openssh
source distro, since you need to create a special directory and user/group
for this (which also bit me in the butt...even if sshd had worked on 2.2,
when I restarted it remotely, it didn't come back up because it didn't have
that user...yeah, yeah, rtfm. :) )
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apache + apache-ssl

2002-06-25 Thread Jan Johansson

Installing the .26 apache removed my apache-ssl, no worries since it was a lab 
system, but uhm.. how do i proceed if i _want_ apache and apache-ssl on the 
same rig?


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Re: SSH stopped working

2002-06-25 Thread irado furioso com tudo
Em  25 Jun 2002 05:26:32 -0700
"Randolph S. Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, conhecido
dependente de drogas (Coke e BigMac's), wrote:

> Thank you for the reply.
> 
> Yes, I am sure sshd is running on the other side. Other computers
> can use ssh to attach to the machine.
> 
> Randy

well.. Maybe you have an  know_hosts key at that machine (or here). If
you can, ask people there to remove/erase/destroy your $HOME/.ssh
contents. Then, try again. Also, it is appropriate to have somebody
there looking at the /var/log/messages for occurencies when you try to
connect.

As I am not joined to the debian list, think that it is proper to cc
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Re: g++ 2.96 on debian?

2002-06-25 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 21:06:37 -0500, Arun Madhurmohan wrote:
> I use debian linux at home and redhat linux (unfortunately) at work.
> Redhat comes with g++ 2.96

That isn't a formal gcc release; see http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html .
(There are dissenting opinions as to its usefulness though, like
http://www.bero.org/gcc296.html)

> and that's what I use at work.

You have my sympathy.

> I can't find an equivalent version of g++ on debian.

That's because Debian tries to stick as closely as is reasonably possible to
official gcc releases. "2.96" (of which there appear to be many versions
which are difficult to distinguish) has a lot of issues; it has e.g. been
known to build gnumeric binaries which produced extremely inaccurate
results; gnumeric's CVS version (and some other software as well AFAIK) has
been changed to refuse compilation with "2.96".

Your best option is to go for 3.1.

HTH,
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Re: Unix 101: ls with file count

2002-06-25 Thread Kent West

Here's my alias, which I believe works like I want it to:


alias dolsa='ls -la --color | more ; echo ---; echo `ls 
-la | grep ^d | wc -l` Directories; echo `ls -la | grep ^- | wc -l` 
"File(s)" ; echo `ls -la | grep ^l | wc -l` "Symbolic Link(s)"; echo 1 
Byte Count ; echo `ls -la | wc -l` Total Items'


Thanks, everyone!

Kent



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Re: Help w/ attbi.com & linksys BEFSR41

2002-06-25 Thread Rob Ransbottom
On 24 Jun 2002, Reid Gilman wrote:

Reid, thanks for the response on the BEFSR41 & attbi.com.
I'll get back to you after I next have a chance to work
on the problem.

rob Live the dream.


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Re: make-kpkg problem

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 07:51:52PM +0800, Joel wrote:
> i tried to compile package a custom built kernel and encountered this error.
> 
> - - - - - - - start
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux$ make-kpkg clean
> dpkg: warning, architecture `i386-none' not in remapping table
> rm -f modules/modversions.h modules/ksyms.ver debian/files stamp-build 
> stamp-configure stamp-source stamp-image stamp-headers stamp-src stamp-diff 
> stamp-doc stamp-buildpackage stamp-libc-kheaders stamp-debian
> test ! -f .config || cp -pf .config config.precious
> test -f Makefile && /usr/bin/make  ARCH=i386-none distclean
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-dev/linux-2.5.6/linux'
> Makefile:247: arch/i386-none/Makefile: No such file or directory

That looks like gcc isn't installed.

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Re: SSH stuff... (from slashdot)

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 08:34:12AM -0400, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
> Is this true?
> 
> -Forward
> The privilege separation code in OpenSSH 3.3 does not work with 2.2 Linux
> kernels.

Yes, but only if you enable compression. Turn that off ('Compression no'
in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) and I'm told it works.

> If you do have kernel 2.4, you should read README.privsep in the openssh
> source distro, since you need to create a special directory and user/group
> for this (which also bit me in the butt...even if sshd had worked on 2.2,
> when I restarted it remotely, it didn't come back up because it didn't have
> that user...yeah, yeah, rtfm. :) )

You don't have to do this manually with the Debian security update.

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BIND9 Blues

2002-06-25 Thread David Fisher
Hi,

Upon restarting bind9 after a very long time on one of my woody boxes today I 
got:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/bind$ sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connection to remote host closed
This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of
the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect,
or the key is invalid.
.
Starting domain name service: named.

Any advice as to what bind9 config I missed?

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Re: upgrading potato to woody by CD (fwd)

2002-06-25 Thread H C Pumphrey
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, H C Pumphrey wrote:

   [Upgrading potato to Woody via CD does this:]
> > and after getting to some 50% it displayed:
> >   E: Internal Error, Could not configure a pre-depend

Typically, after deciding I was stumped and posting this message, I
decided to have another go. But this time I used the first _three_ CDs
instead of the first _two_. I didn't expect it to make any difference as
the machine has a very minimal install with few if any odd or unusual
things on it. 

However, debconf-tiny is on CD 3 and apt (presumably) fell over when it
couldn't find it. With 3 CDs apt-cdrom added, it looks as if I am getting
somewhere. 

So the message to you upgraders might be to use 3 CDs at least, and
perhaps to temporarily remove any packages that are on CDs that you havn't
bothered to burn yet. Or it might not. Right now, I am in the middle of an 

apt-get -f install

caused by an intermittent CD read failure -- dirt on the CD, I think.

Fingers crossed!

Hugh

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Re: eepic.sty amssymb.sty?

2002-06-25 Thread André Carezia
On Monday 24 June 2002 21:27, Luiz Gadelha Jr. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm also running woody.
> I've removed and reinstalled all tetex packages with:
>
> dpkg --purge tetex-extra
> dpkg --purge tetex-bin
> dpkg --purge tetex-base
> apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra
>
> It's still not installing the mentioned .sty files.
> The output of 'texconfig conf | grep TEXMF' is
>
> TEXMF={/root/texmf,/usr/local/share/texmf,/usr/local/lib/texmf,!!/usr
>/share/texmf}
>
> dpkg also gives me the following output:
>
> quaternion:/usr/share/texmf# dpkg -S amssymb.sty eepic.sty
> dpkg: *amssymb.sty* not found.
> dpkg: *eepic.sty* not found.

As another user suggested, make sure tetex-extra is indeed installed. 
What is the output of the command below?

  dpkg -l |grep tetex

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Re: Support for Big Commerical Applications

2002-06-25 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:21:04AM +1200, Tom Parker wrote:

> Has anyone had any experiance with Patrol and Oracle on Woody or another
> "unsupported" distribution? Have you been able to extract support from the
> vendors if things have gone wrong?
> 
> It would seem that RedHat may well get the nod over Debian Woody due to this
> support issue :-(
Sory no experice but you can use apt from apt4rpm.sf.net running RH so
you can use one of the greatest Debian tools on a supportet platform.

Sven 

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Is the server up?

2002-06-25 Thread Marc Shapiro
Hi,

The subject says it all.  Is the server operating?  I have not received
anything from the digest is several days.  I normally get twenty
digests, or more, each day.  If you receive this, please respond
off-list, as well as on, so I can be sure of receiving the response.

TIA

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Re: DHCP client stopped getting responses from ATTBI server

2002-06-25 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:02:27PM -0500, Alex Roitman wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had my home system on a cable modem with AT&T Broadband 
> as a provider for about a year. Everything worked perfectly 
> well, until about a week ago they must have switched the 
> DHCP server. Now my dhclient gets no DHCPOFFERS at all!!!

Your best bet is to switch to dhcp3-client.  This should work
marvellously.

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[he's got psm] Re: can't acces https with mozilla

2002-06-25 Thread DvB

And I quote:

> I've got mozilla-psm installed OK, thats why I can't figure it out.
> 
> I tried uninstalling mozilla-psm, and when I tried secure sites after that I 
> got the message from mozilla telling me to install psm. 
> So I reinstalled psm but it still doesen't work, the only difference is that 
> secure connections just freeze and then time out.
> 
> Does anyone know if anything else other than PSM could cause the
> problem?


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Re: ssh security update and libpam-tmpdir

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:18:32AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> If you have libpam-tmpdir installed, be careful when installing the
> recent security update for OpenSSH; libpam-tmpdir will stop working
> afterwards and cause ssh logins to be dropped (I've just filed a bug
> report).
> 
> Since you almost certainly want to install the security update if you're
> running an ssh server visible to the net, the workaround is to edit
> /etc/pam.d/ssh and comment out the line for pam_tmpdir.

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yes' doesn't appear in /etc/ssh/sshd_config after the upgrade.
UsePrivilegeSeparation is on by default in OpenSSH 3.3.

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postfix--unknown user "xxx" kept in the queue

2002-06-25 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Hello list,

I've delete some user accounts in my postfix mail server. However, when
someone sent to the deleted account, it will kept in the mail queue. So
I typed "mailq" command and it came out a big unknown user queue list.

Is there any why to fix that?


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Re: dhcpd.leases stays empty

2002-06-25 Thread Nick Traxler
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:37:01AM +0200, Andreas Eichner wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> I've got some trouble with the dhcpd-2.2.x (package is dhcp)from Woody 
> (on 2.4.18). It assigns IP addresses in a correct manner but 
> /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases stays empty. Does anyone know why this could 
> be?
>   I use fixed addresses, 

That's why. With fixed addresses, you know what address was assigned, so
there's no need to record it in the leases file.
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Re: g++ 2.96 on debian?

2002-06-25 Thread Marcelo Chiapparini
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:34:52 +0200
"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> That's because Debian tries to stick as closely as is reasonably
> possible to official gcc releases. "2.96" (of which there appear to be
> many versions which are difficult to distinguish) has a lot of issues;
> it has e.g. been known to build gnumeric binaries which produced
> extremely inaccurate results; gnumeric's CVS version (and some other
> software as well AFAIK) has been changed to refuse compilation with
> "2.96".
> 
> Your best option is to go for 3.1.

but 3.1 is only in unstable! In testing it only goes till 3.0. How does
compare 3.0 with 3.1?

TIA

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X, Window manager, and startup question

2002-06-25 Thread Dave Whiteley
Help please,

I am using xdm and icewm, (but I suspect that my problem relates to
other window managers as well). I start up several applications at
login, using .xsession but these all start up in the first virtual
screen. Is there any way in which I can start them in other screens.

My .xsession is something like:-

xterm &
application1 &
application2 &
exec icewm

I would like application1 to start in the second virtual screen. 

Dave

 
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Stable not same as potato in security archive?

2002-06-25 Thread Keith G. Murphy
I noticed the announcement of the patch to SSH (version 3.3) in 
security-announce.  I tried to upgrade to the patched Potato version. 
This was the pertinent line in my sources.list:


deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
   ^^

After apt-get update, I could only fetch 3.0.  But I noticed that on 
another system, I was able to get 3.3.  It had:


deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free
^^
in sources.list.

After changing my sources.list to that on the first system, and doing 
apt-get update, I was able to get ssh 3.3.


I thought potato and stable were the same thing right now!?  No?


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RE: first installation,cannot find default font

2002-06-25 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello,

Ok I just contunied with ctrl-c and it seemd it installed the fonts...  after a
while I got again to fill in all video stuff, and the test seems to work (except
Icould not move the mouse cursor).

But when I reboot I come again in the command interpreter. How do I start up
Gnome Desktop ?

thanks, Wilfried

> -Original Message-
> From: Wilfried Mestdagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: dinsdag 25 juni 2002 14:06
> To: debian mailing list
> Subject: first installation,cannot find default font
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I try to install Debian on my machine. At the end I have to configure mouse,
> keyboard, video,..  After that is a test witch failed with the following 
> error:
>
> Fatal server error:
> Could not open default font 'fixed'
>
> Does this means I have to download/install fonts separately ?  The only 'font'
> thing that I remember in the questions was if I wanted 75 or 100 dpi fonts (I
> selected both). Or did I do something teribely wrong ?
>
> note that this is my first experiance with linux, so please be patience ;-)
>
> rgds, Wilfried
>
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Re: Stable not same as potato in security archive?

2002-06-25 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:53:07AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> I noticed the announcement of the patch to SSH (version 3.3) in 
> security-announce.  I tried to upgrade to the patched Potato version. 
> This was the pertinent line in my sources.list:
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
>^^
> 
> After apt-get update, I could only fetch 3.0.  But I noticed that on 
> another system, I was able to get 3.3.  It had:
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free
> ^^
> in sources.list.
> 
> After changing my sources.list to that on the first system, and doing 
> apt-get update, I was able to get ssh 3.3.
> 
> I thought potato and stable were the same thing right now!?  No?

Not sure how the structure works actually, but I noticed the same
thing with a few new woody installs. They were adding "stable" to all
of the sources.list.

I manually changed them to "woody" and it seems to be working ok...


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Re: Stable not same as potato in security archive?

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:53:07AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> I noticed the announcement of the patch to SSH (version 3.3) in 
> security-announce.  I tried to upgrade to the patched Potato version. 
> This was the pertinent line in my sources.list:
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
>^^
> 
> After apt-get update, I could only fetch 3.0.  But I noticed that on 
> another system, I was able to get 3.3.  It had:
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free
> ^^
> in sources.list.
> 
> After changing my sources.list to that on the first system, and doing 
> apt-get update, I was able to get ssh 3.3.
> 
> I thought potato and stable were the same thing right now!?  No?

They are, but the potato version of ssh 3.3 was only added quite
recently; the first announcement on -security-announce was when the
woody version was prepared. Are you sure you didn't just get your timing
wrong?

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Re: Stable not same as potato in security archive?

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 10:51:31AM -0400, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:53:07AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> > I thought potato and stable were the same thing right now!?  No?
> 
> Not sure how the structure works actually, but I noticed the same
> thing with a few new woody installs. They were adding "stable" to all
> of the sources.list.
> 
> I manually changed them to "woody" and it seems to be working ok...

That's indeed going to be a problem with the woody install disks until
they're released, but it's a separate problem from the layout of the
security archive.

By the way:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /org/security.debian.org/ftp/dists]$ ls -l
total 12
drwxrwsr-x3 katiesecurity 4096 Oct 14  2000 potato
drwxrwsr-x3 katiesecurity 4096 Sep  4  2000 slink
lrwxrwxrwx1 katiesecurity6 Mar 31 17:35 stable -> potato
lrwxrwxrwx1 katiesecurity5 May 10 03:50 testing -> woody
drwxr-sr-x3 katiesecurity 4096 May  1 14:05 woody

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Re: dhcpd.leases stays empty

2002-06-25 Thread Andreas Eichner
Am Dienstag, 25. Juni 2002 16:28 schrieb Nick Traxler:
> That's why. With fixed addresses, you know what address was assigned,
> so there's no need to record it in the leases file.

Is there a way to force recording (for autodns-dhcp)?


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Re: g++ 2.96 on debian?

2002-06-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 25-Jun-2002 Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:34:52 +0200
> "J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> That's because Debian tries to stick as closely as is reasonably
>> possible to official gcc releases. "2.96" (of which there appear to be
>> many versions which are difficult to distinguish) has a lot of issues;
>> it has e.g. been known to build gnumeric binaries which produced
>> extremely inaccurate results; gnumeric's CVS version (and some other
>> software as well AFAIK) has been changed to refuse compilation with
>> "2.96".
>> 
>> Your best option is to go for 3.1.
> 
> but 3.1 is only in unstable! In testing it only goes till 3.0. How does
> compare 3.0 with 3.1?
> 

3.0 is reasonable, 3.1 just adds improvements in speed and architecture support.


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RE: X, Window manager, and startup question

2002-06-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 25-Jun-2002 Dave Whiteley wrote:
> Help please,
> 
> I am using xdm and icewm, (but I suspect that my problem relates to
> other window managers as well). I start up several applications at
> login, using .xsession but these all start up in the first virtual
> screen. Is there any way in which I can start them in other screens.
> 
> My .xsession is something like:-
> 
> xterm &
> application1 &
> application2 &
> exec icewm
> 
> I would like application1 to start in the second virtual screen. 
> 

*IF* the window manager supports something like NETWM (which is a protocol for
talking to the windowmanager) an external program could be used to set this for
you.  But in the general case no, this requires work.

Join an icewm list and ask there, they will likely have had numerous other
people ask this.


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Re: 2.2 vs 2.4 kernels (OT)

2002-06-25 Thread Reid Gilman




I agree, I think it works very well the way Debian does it.  



On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 00:20, Larry Smith wrote:

I think it works out well the way Debian presents it. 
Individuals are free to install the 2.4 version, and
in so doing help to "stablize" it.

I would think that business would likely run the
stable version, to minimize chances of failure.

--- Reid Gilman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think Debian calls one release stable because
> although the newer
> kernels and packages may be fairly stable, anything
> in a stable release
> should be crash-proof.  No security holes should be
> present and it
> should be usable on mission critical systems.  I
> wouldn't want my system
> running on a Fortune 500 company's server because
> its always a work in
> progress. The stable distro is pretty much finished
> and it works.
> 
> On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 19:52, Mark Roach wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 17:20, Reid Gilman wrote:
> > The Debian stable release is that, stable.  It
> is not supposed to have
> > the latest and greatest features, if you want
> to get the 2.4.x kernels
> > (which in my experience are perfectly stable)
> you can, or you can get
> > the testing or unstable distro.  But that's
> why Debian has three
> > distros.
> 
> I am curious, I have heard both explanations at
> different times
> regarding the meaning of stable... some people
> have said that only
> stable versions of software are (or should be)
> included while others
> have suggested that the term 'stable' applies to
> the
> packaging/dependencies
> 
> Does debian policy indicate the 'One True
> Definition' of 'stable'?
> 
> Not trying to start flames (I swear!), just
> curious
> 
> -Mark
> 
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Re: 2.2 vs 2.4 kernels

2002-06-25 Thread Reid Gilman




On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 00:38, nate wrote:


> Can someone explain (or supply a pointer to an
> explanation of) what is wrong with the 2.4
> kernel, that debian plans to continue offering the
> 2.2 kernel with woody?
> Several other distros have been shipping with
> 2.4 exclusively for over a year, surely most
> of the bugs have been shaken out?


its a matter of opinion..


I do not trust the 2.4 kernel yet. If there was something in it
that I absolutely had to have then i would use it. But only if
I could not work around the problem by getting different hardware
or trying to do the task in a different way first. 2.4.18 has
been said by many to be a good starting point(sorry i can't
provide references, ive just seen it mentioned a few times in various
places). sort of the "real" 2.4.0.  I tend to agree, I have
used 2.4.18 on SusE 8(i think it uses 2.4.18) and it seems halfway
decent. but it won't make it onto any of my serious servers or
workstations. Many people(seems many on this list, or at least
many of the active posters) like to live on the edge with the 2.4 kernel,
or even 2.5 kernel, running debian unstable ..etc. I used to like
to live on the edge too, back in the 2.1.x days ..i ran slackware
i think at the time and upgraded libc manually. but now i have gotten
to the point where i just want my system to work well. I don't want
to have to debug a bad package or a kernel bug. i want to set it and
forget it(more or less). i like to spend my time on learning new
things rather then fixing old problems.

that said, I have no problem what kernel debian ships with, the
first thing i do on my systems is put in a custom kernel anyways,
so provided the kernel works long enough to boot the system and
install thats fine by me. 2.2.19 is the most solid linux kernel I have
used to date. My workstation at work which I hammer on 5 days a week
was up for more then 380 days before a 2 hour power outage killed
it(UPS only lasted for 30minutes). I have dozens of other servers
with 6-10 months of uptime.  I'm sure some 2.4.x kernels do the
same, but it seemed at least until 2.4.18 that every release 2.4.x
that came out seemed to have some "serious fix"(I read kernel traffic
every week). 2.2 had this problem for
a while too. 2.2.11 was a nightmare, the memory management went
to hell and didn't recover for another 6 months at 2.2.15, then
there were some security problems in 2.2.15 and i think 2.2.17,
there is even a minor security problem with the NAT code in 2.2.19
i beleive. nothing like the 2.2.15 rootable problem though.


I think there is a significant amount of people out there like me
who like debian specifically because it is stable.  The 2.4 kernel
does not offer many compelling reasons to upgrade for most systems,
which is good, that tells me linux is mature when the latest and
greatest is not required.

as for if most of the bugs are worked out..

since some people(myself included) think 2.4.18 is a starting point
for 2.4, I will give 2.4.x another 6-8 months at least before i think
about deploying it on my servers(even my personal ones).

i've told people before...I have personally used about a dozen different
linux and unix systems(more or less), on half a dozen different hardware
platforms. and for low end systems(1/2 CPU with less then 2GB ram) debian
has been the most solid and easily maintained of all of them for me.



nate
debian user since 2.0("hamm" ?) was released
slackware user before that





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  I take it you don't have USB then.  That is one of the most useful things that the 2.4.x kernels gave us, USB.  I have actually got a USB Handspring Visor syncing with my Debian (Woody) 2.4.18 system.  I'm working on my mp3 player.  I remember being forced to dual boot just so I could sync a PDA, but now I've been Windows free for about 6 months becuase the 2.4.18 kernel has USB pretty much straightened out.




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mod_ssl problem

2002-06-25 Thread Richard Weil
I can't seem to get mod_ssl working and I don't see
why. I'm using apache 1.2.6 and libapache-mod-ssl
2.8.7. I modified httpd.conf per instructions,
including adding the cut-and-paste info. I then ran
mod-ssl-makecert as root in the /etc/apache directory.
I got some errors when I tried to make a test cert, so
I made a real certificate and it proceeded without
errors. I then stopped and restarted apache. When I
type:

openssl s_client -connect localhost:443 -state -debug

it seems to start okay but ends with:

SSL_connect:error in SSLv2/v3 read server hello A
5664:error:140770FC:SSL
routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown
protocol:s23_clnt.c:460:

I then get this message in my access log:

127.0.0.1 - - [25/Jun/2002:11:06:54 -0400]
"\x80z\x01\x03\x01" 501 - "-" "-"

and this message in my error log:

[Tue Jun 25 11:06:54 2002] [error] [client 127.0.0.1]
Invalid method in request €z`b`

I don't know if it matters, but instead of a FQDN I'm
just using an IP number when creating the certificate.

Any help is much appreciated.

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Re: X, Window manager, and startup question

2002-06-25 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On Tuesday 25 June 2002 10:41, Dave Whiteley wrote:
> Help please,
>
> I am using xdm and icewm, (but I suspect that my problem relates to
> other window managers as well). I start up several applications at
> login, using .xsession but these all start up in the first virtual
> screen. Is there any way in which I can start them in other screens.
>
> My .xsession is something like:-
>
> xterm &
> application1 &
> application2 &
> exec icewm
>
> I would like application1 to start in the second virtual screen.

Based on the fact that application1 probably doesn't know anything about 
icewm workspaces, I'ld guess there's not much you can do within the framework 
of xsession.  

If icewm has a mechanism for saving state (it's been awhile since I've used 
Ice, so not sure what it's current capabilities are), you may be able to 
leverage that.  Failing that, if there any icewm-specific init scripts that 
you can run, you may be able to move application1 over to Workspace 2.


HTH,
Ian


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Re: Woody+ Ximian + Evolution

2002-06-25 Thread Arthur H. Johnson II

Why do you need to use the Debs from Ximian??  Evolution is pretty recent
in Testing.

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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, jfcarvajal wrote:

> Hi All!
>
>
> I know that Ximian is supported only for potato buy I have been trying to
> install Ximian and Evolution on Woody with no success and a lot of effort
> and time waste. I have read
>
> I have tried the following:
> 1) Woody Gnome 1.4 + Evolution ->: Always  says cannot find the Database
> Shell"
> 2) Woody + sources.list for ximian stable ( potato) ->: A mess
> 3) Woody + Ximian for woody downloaded  via ftp in a local dir and then
> install makeing dpkg --unpack -R and dpkg -f install ->: This install Ximian
> but not evolution. When i tried to install it with dselect a lot of packages
> got deinstalled and and evolutions says the same error messages as in 1.
> Basically sawfish doesn`t work so when  I start the desktop it complains
> about not having a  proper window manager.
> 4) I have followed the FAQ at Ximian for the error in 1 but Ican realize
> what the problem is, everything seems Ok to me.
>
> does any one know how to install Ximan + evolution on woody in a stable or
> less prune to errors way ? is it possible?
> is there  any need  to point to unstable (sid) to make ximian /evolution
> work?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
>


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RE: Woody+ Ximian + Evolution

2002-06-25 Thread jfcarvajal
With no ximian package at all,  The one from testing doesn`t work for me,
always complains about
Cannot initialize the Evolution shell.", I have no clue after following the
recomendations in Ximian Knowledge Base


> -Mensaje original-
> De: Arthur H. Johnson II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Enviado el: martes, 25 de junio de 2002 17:25
> Para: jfcarvajal
> CC: Debian-User (E-mail)
> Asunto: Re: Woody+ Ximian + Evolution
>
>
>
> Why do you need to use the Debs from Ximian??  Evolution is
> pretty recent
> in Testing.
>
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> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, jfcarvajal wrote:
>
> > Hi All!
> >
> >
> > I know that Ximian is supported only for potato buy I have
> been trying to
> > install Ximian and Evolution on Woody with no success and a
> lot of effort
> > and time waste. I have read
> >
> > I have tried the following:
> > 1) Woody Gnome 1.4 + Evolution ->: Always  says cannot find
> the Database
> > Shell"
> > 2) Woody + sources.list for ximian stable ( potato) ->: A mess
> > 3) Woody + Ximian for woody downloaded  via ftp in a local
> dir and then
> > install makeing dpkg --unpack -R and dpkg -f install ->:
> This install Ximian
> > but not evolution. When i tried to install it with dselect
> a lot of packages
> > got deinstalled and and evolutions says the same error
> messages as in 1.
> > Basically sawfish doesn`t work so when  I start the desktop
> it complains
> > about not having a  proper window manager.
> > 4) I have followed the FAQ at Ximian for the error in 1 but
> Ican realize
> > what the problem is, everything seems Ok to me.
> >
> > does any one know how to install Ximan + evolution on woody
> in a stable or
> > less prune to errors way ? is it possible?
> > is there  any need  to point to unstable (sid) to make
> ximian /evolution
> > work?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Question on dependencies

2002-06-25 Thread Mike Dresser
I'm doing the ssh updates on a potato machine here, and running into
problems, due to having to use lilo out of woody.

pellusbackup:~# apt-get install ssh
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  lilo: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) but 2.1.3-20 is to be installed
  ssh: Depends: libssl0.9.6 but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify a solution).

How do I override the lilo dependency on 2.2.4-4 that it doesn't actually
need in this case?

I tried to hold it and/or libc in dselect, got no where.  Apt-get doesn't
seem to have a way to hold something.

I suspect I'll have to redownload the lilo deb from woody, uninstall lilo,
install my ssh updates, then dpkg --force-depends -i lilo*.deb ?

Mike


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Re: apache + apache-ssl

2002-06-25 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On Tuesday 25 June 2002 08:34, Jan Johansson wrote:
> Installing the .23 apache removed my apache-ssl, no worries since it was a
> lab system, but uhm.. how do i proceed if i _want_ apache and apache-ssl on
> the same rig?

Have you tried installing libapache-mod-ssl?  As I understand it, this, in 
conjunction with apache, provides the same functionality as apache-ssl but as 
a loadable module (what Apache calls a DSO) instead of compiled directly into 
the executable.


Ian


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Re: Problem connecting app to X display server

2002-06-25 Thread Sivea Key
- Original Message -
From: "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sivea Key" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: Problem connecting app to X display server


>
> On 24-Jun-2002 Sivea Key wrote:
> > HI,
> > I'm new to Debian and LINUX so any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I am trying to run a simulation program on Debian. It compiles fine
(now) but
> > whenever I try to launch the gui it tells me it can't connect to the
display
> > and that I need to run:  export DISPLAY=:0   [or setenv--I'm in
BASH
> > so I use export]
> >
> > Running that command produces no error but also doesn't help. I have
tried
> > using the machine name and also tried using what appeared to be the
display
> > server name. I am not certain I used the actual display server
name--where
> > exactly do I find it and what should it look like? (I used defaults on
> > everything except the computer name during install and again during
> > reconfiguration.)
> >
> > I haven't yet discovered what man page to specify for more information,
none
> > of the 4 books I have nor the Xfree86 or Debian site have revealed
anything
> > useful as yet. Admitedly, I may be asking the wrong questions.
> >
>
> In the X session where you want to see the window open a terminal program
and
> type: echo $DISPLAY.  Whatever you see as output is what you need to
export at
> the console.

I ran echo $DISPLAY and it returned nothing. I checked "set" and found no
DISPLAY configuration parameter listed at all. When I installed Debian 2.2,
I distinctly chose settings. Furthermore, X windows starts. What am I
missing and what do I need to do? Or where should I look for help?

Thanks


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RE: Woody+ Ximian + Evolution

2002-06-25 Thread Arthur H. Johnson II

Odd.  I had this error too, and cant remember what I had to do to fix it.
Try running Evolution as a different user.  If I recall right, it had
something to do with permissions.

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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, jfcarvajal wrote:

> With no ximian package at all,  The one from testing doesn`t work for me,
> always complains about
> Cannot initialize the Evolution shell.", I have no clue after following the
> recomendations in Ximian Knowledge Base
>
>
> > -Mensaje original-
> > De: Arthur H. Johnson II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Enviado el: martes, 25 de junio de 2002 17:25
> > Para: jfcarvajal
> > CC: Debian-User (E-mail)
> > Asunto: Re: Woody+ Ximian + Evolution
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you need to use the Debs from Ximian??  Evolution is
> > pretty recent
> > in Testing.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur H. Johnson II, Debian GNU/Linux Advocate
> > Catechist, St John Catholic Church, Davison MI USA
> > President, Genesee County Linux Users Group
> >
> > IRC:  [EMAIL PROTECTED],#debian
> > YIM:  arthurjohnson
> > AIM:  bytor4232
> > ICQ:  31770438
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, jfcarvajal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > >
> > > I know that Ximian is supported only for potato buy I have
> > been trying to
> > > install Ximian and Evolution on Woody with no success and a
> > lot of effort
> > > and time waste. I have read
> > >
> > > I have tried the following:
> > > 1) Woody Gnome 1.4 + Evolution ->: Always  says cannot find
> > the Database
> > > Shell"
> > > 2) Woody + sources.list for ximian stable ( potato) ->: A mess
> > > 3) Woody + Ximian for woody downloaded  via ftp in a local
> > dir and then
> > > install makeing dpkg --unpack -R and dpkg -f install ->:
> > This install Ximian
> > > but not evolution. When i tried to install it with dselect
> > a lot of packages
> > > got deinstalled and and evolutions says the same error
> > messages as in 1.
> > > Basically sawfish doesn`t work so when  I start the desktop
> > it complains
> > > about not having a  proper window manager.
> > > 4) I have followed the FAQ at Ximian for the error in 1 but
> > Ican realize
> > > what the problem is, everything seems Ok to me.
> > >
> > > does any one know how to install Ximan + evolution on woody
> > in a stable or
> > > less prune to errors way ? is it possible?
> > > is there  any need  to point to unstable (sid) to make
> > ximian /evolution
> > > work?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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apt-get

2002-06-25 Thread Reid Gilman




All of a sudden my apt-get has stopped automatically installing dependencies.  I try to install different programs and it just keeps on saying a package that I don't have anymore depends on something and it won't be installed.  And then it quits without installing any of the packages I want.  Any help?








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RE: first installation,cannot find default font

2002-06-25 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello,

Hum that's the second time I ask a question, and just when I see the mail
returning to I foudn the answer. I hope you will forgive that ;-)

There is a spelling error in the xf86config program. When it asking for the 
mouse
it propose /dev/tty00 and it has to be /dev/ttyS0  (for com1).  Also it propose
just /dev/mouse but that certainly dont works.

I found that desktop start with startx.

Also I seems to have only 16 color, but before I ask again in panic I will try a
little more myself, please forgive me !!

rgds, Wilfried

> -Original Message-
> From: Wilfried Mestdagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: dinsdag 25 juni 2002 16:49
> To: debian mailing list
> Subject: RE: first installation,cannot find default font
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Ok I just contunied with ctrl-c and it seemd it installed the fonts...  after 
> a
> while I got again to fill in all video stuff, and the test seems to
> work (except
> Icould not move the mouse cursor).
>
> But when I reboot I come again in the command interpreter. How do I start up
> Gnome Desktop ?
>
> thanks, Wilfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wilfried Mestdagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: dinsdag 25 juni 2002 14:06
> > To: debian mailing list
> > Subject: first installation,cannot find default font
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I try to install Debian on my machine. At the end I have to configure mouse,
> > keyboard, video,..  After that is a test witch failed with the
> following error:
> >
> > Fatal server error:
> > Could not open default font 'fixed'
> >
> > Does this means I have to download/install fonts separately ?  The
> only 'font'
> > thing that I remember in the questions was if I wanted 75 or 100 dpi fonts 
> > (I
> > selected both). Or did I do something teribely wrong ?
> >
> > note that this is my first experiance with linux, so please be patience ;-)
> >
> > rgds, Wilfried
> >
> >
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Re: Centralized /etc/passwd ?

2002-06-25 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020625 02:49]:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 02:05:38AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> > * Paladin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020624 16:00]:
> ..
> > > BTW, what's more secure? Putting everything in the firewall PC or on
> > 
> > The general answer to this is that it's more secure to keep your
> > firewall machine as minimal as possible. The less it has on it, the
> > fewer possible holes there are.
> 
> The more liberal stance would be to have no external services open on
> the firewall (blocking them at the ip level), and run only a few local
> only services that you really can't live without on the firewall.
> 
>  
> ..
> > spare. In my home network, I only have one always-on machine, so its
> > duties are slightly more expanded than the paranoid firewall should be.
> > Even with just one extra machine, it's easy to make one a stripped-down
> > firewall-only box and the other your all-serving internal box (which can
> > also run dmz-type services, such as web, mail, etc. via DNAT).
> 
> IMHO it's stupid to mix dmz-type services with local only services as the
> point of DMZ is to shield your own network and your firewall from the
> hostile net. I really believe it's better to have the DMZ machine do
> DMZ services only, and lacking an extra server to put the local only
> services on the firewall. The change of breaking in into the firewall
> seems less than the chance of breaking in into the DMZ with all it's
> flacky services running.

Sure, and that's just the point. If I have a firewall machine running on
an Inet address and a server machine doing apache and sendmail for the
outside and also bind and samba inside, it's harder to catastrophically
break into the system. Say a remote exploit is found in sendmail which
allows the attacker to open a listening port that goes straight to a
root shell. Without also breaking something on the firewall (which is
running nothing but iptables) they can't ever connect to that backdoor.

Again, the ideal assumes availability of spare servers, but my point is
that with only 2 servers the setup can be much better than with only 1
doing firewall + services. In this case, it still shields your firewall
from the hostile net, if not your LAN. putting them all on one box
has no such shielding effect. I guess my fault was using the term "DMZ"
which implies a degree of protection that this arrangement does not
afford.

good times,
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Re: first installation,cannot find default font

2002-06-25 Thread Francisco Fialho

Wilfried Mestdagh wrote:


Hello,

Hum that's the second time I ask a question, and just when I see the mail
returning to I foudn the answer. I hope you will forgive that ;-)

There is a spelling error in the xf86config program. When it asking for the 
mouse
it propose /dev/tty00 and it has to be /dev/ttyS0  (for com1).  Also it propose
just /dev/mouse but that certainly dont works.

I found that desktop start with startx.

Also I seems to have only 16 color, but before I ask again in panic I will try a
little more myself, please forgive me !!

rgds, Wilfried

 


-Original Message-
From: Wilfried Mestdagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 25 juni 2002 16:49
To: debian mailing list
Subject: RE: first installation,cannot find default font


Hello,

Ok I just contunied with ctrl-c and it seemd it installed the fonts...  after a
while I got again to fill in all video stuff, and the test seems to
work (except
Icould not move the mouse cursor).

But when I reboot I come again in the command interpreter. How do I start up
Gnome Desktop ?

thanks, Wilfried

   


-Original Message-
From: Wilfried Mestdagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 25 juni 2002 14:06
To: debian mailing list
Subject: first installation,cannot find default font


Hello,

I try to install Debian on my machine. At the end I have to configure mouse,
keyboard, video,..  After that is a test witch failed with the
 


following error:
   


Fatal server error:
Could not open default font 'fixed'

Does this means I have to download/install fonts separately ?  The
 


only 'font'
   


thing that I remember in the questions was if I wanted 75 or 100 dpi fonts (I
selected both). Or did I do something teribely wrong ?

note that this is my first experiance with linux, so please be patience ;-)

rgds, Wilfried


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Hi Wilfried,

I had those problems when I first installed debian :-)
which version o Debian are you using?

what I did to correct and configure the video, mouse, etc... was:

1- I ran the installation;
2- Configured apt source.list to my Debian version ( /etc/apt/source.list)
example: if you are using woody ( change every " stable"  to woody in 
your source.list, if

you're using potato there's no need to change... and so on...:-))
3- gave the following command:  apt-get install x-window-system
4- after that I did an apt-get install xserver-xfree86
5- answered the questions and configured it! :-)

Now, in this exact moment I'm running Debian Woody - kernel 2.4.18
using KDE 2.2.x :-) Using the steps above :-)

Any doubts... post it to the list!

regards

Francisco





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mutt's thread editing (was Re: Thread stealing )

2002-06-25 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Hans Ekbrand ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020625 05:03]:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 07:41:42AM -0400, christophe barbé wrote:
> > Could you avoid posting to a mailing list by doing a reply to a current
> > thread and changing the subject ? I don't know for pine but on MUA able
> > to display the threads, it's boring to see a thread in another simply
> > because you can type the ml address by yourself or save it in your
> > address book.
> 
> Agreed. It makes it harder than it ought to be to manage this
> high-volume list (Deleting a whole thread is very convenient, but
> thread stealing undo the gain of an intelligent MUA).

Of course, we all wish they'd stop doing that, but there will always be
people who do. Mutt's thread editing patch works wonders for this. It's
included by default in mutt 1.4. Then you can just hit '#' on the
offending messages and voila! It breaks the thread.

good times,
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Re: wheel mouse wheel not working

2002-06-25 Thread Vikki Roemer




My version of XFree86 is 3.3.5 .

>From my /etc/X11/XF86Config file:

Section "Pointer"
   Protocol    "IntelliMouse"
   Device  "/dev/mouse"
   BaudRate    1200
   Emulate3Timeout 50
   Resolution  200
EndSection

Was that the right file?  It looks different than what everyone else is posting.

Jeremy Turner wrote:

  On Mon, 2002-06-24 at 16:47, Vikki Roemer wrote:
  
  
Hi!
I've been using Debian for about a week now, and during that time I've
been trying to get my mouse to work properly,  but I can't.

I have a PS/2 Microsoft Wheel Mouse.  Since it's possible to click with
the wheel button as well as scroll, I was hoping I could use it as a
third button as well as a scroll wheel.  However, I can't even get the
wheel to even scroll, much less click.

I downloaded and installed IMWheel, and followed the instuctions, but it
still doesn't work.  I've also read everything I can find about
configuring mice, but nothing has been helpful.  Maybe I'm just not
understanding the instructions?  (This is all pretty heavy-duty for
someone who just came from Windows 9x (but it's worth it), so it's
highly likely that I'm just misunderstanding most of the manuals.)

  
  
Hello and welcome to Debian!  It's a little tough in the beginning, but
it does eventually get easier as you understand how to work with the
whole process and configuration of things.

You might post your XF86Config-4 with the exact input section that your
mouse is in.  That helps a lot.

With a wheel mouse, you don't need any of the emulate 3 mouse buttons
(since you have 3 mouse buttons).  Also, to get scrolling, you will want
to add a line like:

Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

Which reminds me... what version of XFree86 are you using?  I'm using
4.1.  Here is my mouse section for my USB mouse:

###
# USB Mouse
###
Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "USBMouse"
	Driver  "mouse"
	Option  "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
	Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice" #change for PS/2
	Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

HTH,
Jeremy

  







Re: ATI Rage 128 and XFree 4.1

2002-06-25 Thread Michael Jinks
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 07:00:14PM -0500, Steven A. Reisman wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 06:24:59PM -0500, Michael Jinks wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 08:41:06PM +0200, Helgi ?rn Helgason wrote:
> > > 
> > > Section "Device"
> > >   Identifier  "Ati Rage 128"
> > >   VideoRam8192
> > >   Driver  "r128"
> > >   Option  "dpms"
> > > EndSection
> > 
> > Hm.  Nope, still crashes; output from X server is attached in case it
> > helps.  Looks to me like it's seeing my hardware and then dying anyway
> > for some reason but I don't see anything that looks like a complaint
> > before the final "No devices detected."
>  
> For my Radeon Mobility chip (and XFree 4.2), I had to add a BusID line
> to my Device Section:
> 
> 
> Section "Device"
> Identifier  "Generic Video Card"
> Driver  "radeon"
> BusID   "PCI:01:00:00"
> EndSection

Been away from this for a couple of days, finally got to try this;
first,

doormat:/etc/X11# lspci | grep ATI
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro TF

so, I added the same BusID line to my XF86Config-4 that Steven has
above, but no dice.  I am still using the version of XFree that's in
woody (4.1), so maybe that's my problem.  I'll take a crack at the new
one and see what difference that makes...

-mrj


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Re: Question on dependencies

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:01:05PM -0400, Mike Dresser wrote:
> I'm doing the ssh updates on a potato machine here, and running into
> problems, due to having to use lilo out of woody.
> 
> pellusbackup:~# apt-get install ssh
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   lilo: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) but 2.1.3-20 is to be installed
>   ssh: Depends: libssl0.9.6 but it is not going to be installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
> specify a solution).
> 
> How do I override the lilo dependency on 2.2.4-4 that it doesn't actually
> need in this case?

Um, that looks risky. Wouldn't it be safer to rebuild the lilo package
from woody on a potato system so that it will actually have satisfied
dependencies?

apt-get considers unsatisfied dependencies on a system to be very bad.

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Re: apt-get

2002-06-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:10:07PM -0400, Reid Gilman wrote:
> All of a sudden my apt-get has stopped automatically installing
> dependencies.  I try to install different programs and it just keeps on
> saying a package that I don't have anymore depends on something and it
> won't be installed.  And then it quits without installing any of the
> packages I want.  Any help?

Please quote the full error message, and it will be easier to help.

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RE: Problem connecting app to X display server--more failed efforts

2002-06-25 Thread Sivea Key
> On 24-Jun-2002 Sivea Key wrote:
> > I'm new to Debian and LINUX so any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I am trying to run a simulation program on Debian. It compiles fine
(now) but
> > whenever I try to launch the gui it tells me it can't connect to the
display
> > and that I need to run:  export DISPLAY=:0   [or setenv--I'm in
BASH
> > so I use export]
> >
> > Running that command produces no error but also doesn't help. I have
tried
> > using the machine name and also tried using what appeared to be the
display
> > server name. I am not certain I used the actual display server
name--where
> > exactly do I find it and what should it look like? (I used defaults on
> > everything except the computer name during install and again during
> > reconfiguration.)
> >
> > I haven't yet discovered what man page to specify for more information,
none
> > of the 4 books I have nor the Xfree86 or Debian site have revealed
anything
> > useful as yet. Admitedly, I may be asking the wrong questions.
> >
>
> In the X session where you want to see the window open a terminal program
and
> type: echo $DISPLAY.  Whatever you see as output is what you need to
export at
> the console.

I ran echo $DISPLAY and it returned nothing. I checked "set" and found no
DISPLAY configuration parameter listed at all. When I installed Debian 2.2,
I distinctly chose settings. Furthermore, X windows starts. What am I
missing and what do I need to do? Or where should I look for help?

[additional efforts]
I did some further research and typed: set DISPLAY :0.0; export
DISPLAY
where  was the hostname of my Deb box--debian2. Yet when I ran
echo $DISPLAY again, I still got nothing and no DISPLAY setting shows when I
type: set. Help.

Thanks!


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